Replacing Loco Motors at Chadwick Model Railway | 151.
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Ringfield Motors have served us well for years but some here at Chadwick Model Railway need
replacing. Let me show you how.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm sorry but Mark has now run out of these motor kits due to the mad rush of enthusiastic modellers wishing to replace their ailing Ringfield motors.
Rest assured that he has more in the pipeline and in a week or so, Mark will be able to fulfil your orders.
Regards Charlie
Could you give us his details please ie, eBay shop address etc. Your video was facscinating Charlie, as I’ve a model similar to the remodelled one you used. My is in the same era 30 / 40 years old. Thanks in advance. Frank Hughes
Yep, I was one of those who left it too late! (damn!) Looking forward to re-motoring an old Hornby Coronation Scot, she runs OK but a bit notchy... about 40 years ago, I used to have an HST just like that (and the centre coach had lighting too!), sadly - like so many childhood trainsets, it was sold off by my mum when I left home, er, 30 years ago. Recently scanning a certain auction site, seems there weren't that many around with lighting? I did find a few with the "plunger" pickups like mine had, but not as many as I'd thought.
Charlie, I’m both grateful for the conversion of the treasured old 125 (bought for my son in the early 80’s) and impressed with your skills! I have watched several upgrade videos on RUclips and found them either incomplete or hard to follow. Your professional (as always) video has changed that and I might even attempt an upgrade of one of my less cherished old locos! I can’t wait for the DCC conversion. A huge thank you 👍
Thanks Steve. Hopefully it will continue to improve with the planned modifications and that you're not in too much of a hurry to have it back.
Regards Charlie
I think the patina on your model, the darker yellow and just the overall look is far superior to Charlie’s more modern unit. That’s exactly how I remember them looking when they were fairly new, rather than the lighter, more lemon yellow of Mr Bishop’s model. I’m sure you’ll go on to treasure it for many years to come.
Thank you so much for this detailed video. I've now breathed new life into an old second hand 125.(my favourite train of all time)
Thanks Glenn, I’m so pleased that you found the video useful. Charlie.
Well done, I'm glad I found your channel. I can now possibly get all these old Hornby engines running again.
Good for you JW. Regards Charlie
Hey Mr Chadwick, I am from Kentucky USA thanks for your videos I enjoy watching them and I learn a lot thanks
Thanks RET, it’s great to have you onboard. Regards Charlie.
Thanks for the update. Inspired to look at our old Hornby Class 37!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Shani.
I’ve converted my old Lima class 33 about 6 months ago and it works a treat. Cheers from nz
I have 5 Lima locos and i think they are great :)
It’s clearly a great improvement.
At last an upgrade to some old Dc stock , being im not Dcc its a relief to see a person ( and i know your a Dcc fanatic ) like yourself taking time to do what you have just done and thats baught life back into our old locos , I have 2 Intercity 125s both from early Hornby and after constant cleaning and running are showing the signs you have just put forward in this video , Now rather than selling them on as used and abused im toying with the upgrade and at a fair price i can keep the old stuff rolling . Another very informative video Charlie ,, Thankyou , keep up the fantastic work .
What a heartwarming comment Kevin. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, good to meet you at recent Frome model railway show. Thanks for taking the time to chat. Hope your new wagon was as you expected.
Hi Andrew, yes it was great to meet up. However I seem to think that you probably have a better sound file, regards Charlie
Charlie is such a wonderful guy isn't he? Wow, how i envy you all in the UK! I was born in the US but my family bloodline is 94% English. I say that so you will better understand how much I LOVE England and everything about the Mother Country. One day, may God permit, I will come to England being the first family member to do so since the 1600's and if possible, I wont be leaving! (I am a retired 60yr old private contractor here in Az and do acting in Tombstone, anyone in England care to trade lives?) Anyway, I love watching Charlie, he has a fantastic personality and explains things so well even though I am a beginners beginner in model trains. Thank you Charlie for everything you do! You have a loyal fan here in Tombstone Az!
Joseph, will you behave, you make me blush. Regards Charlie
Converted my R069 1979 HST last weekend, with CD motor, led directional lighting in both power and dummy upgraded to DCC & added TTS Valenta decoder. Runs sweet now and so much more responsive.
That’s great news, I’m so pleased it worked out well for you. Regards Charlie
Another fantastic video Charlie. As luck would have it, my dear dad bought me a Hornby class 43 HST in the early 80’s. Having seen your video, I’ve just looked in the loft and dusted off my old DC loco. I’ve got my order in with Mark’s ‘Horns & Whistles’ eBay shop and looking forward to attempting the heart transplant you have just demonstrated…..what could possibly go wrong!. If my loco survives my ham-fisted motor change then I’ll be ready to follow in your footsteps again and attempt the DCC conversion. I’m so chuffed that your video has showed how it’s possible to breathe new life into an old loco and bring fond memories of my old HST to life again. Thank you.
That’s great news William. Keep me posted on your progress.
Regards Charlie.
Hi Charlie yet again another excellent stream I eras 6 and 7 are a sideline to me as you know, one day I would like to replace the pancake motors in my old Lima and Hornby locos but lack the confidence.
A marvellous video. I have enjoyed a lot watching it. Right now I am restoring and upgrading an old Rivarossi's J3 Dreyfuss Hudson (chassis insulation, replacing the old motor for a new 6-pole can motor, LED lights, improving current pickups, speakers, DCC conversion, etc)
Thanks Juan, i’m so pleased that you found it interesting.
I always feel calmer after I watch your videos. Thanks for this video. Good info.
That’s very kind of you to say so mate. Regards Charlie
I don't have any Locos with Ringfield Motors but if I ever pick some up that have them I am definitely upgrading them, your videos inspire me so much and I always look forward to the next one.
Thanks LR, you’re too kind mate. Regards Charlie
Crikey on the £360 plus price; its their choice just as it is ours as to whether or not to buy. So better and more fun to recycle is the name of the game, you are becoming a real green channel now!
Great to see a replacement motor (shame Mark will not ship overseas) and nicely demonstrated thanks. FYI I have successfully dcc converted two Ringfields 40 year old variety ones. Another tip is if lacking starting torque to check and re magnetise - it's easy to do and I have recovered a number of my 50 year old childhood Triang Hornby locos. Thanks Stephen
A great comment Stephen, thank you. Yes these prices are incredible and it’s time we voted with our wallets! Regards Charlie
Started watching During lockdown now i look forward to all your updates Thanks again ......now im not afraid to invest in older stock and breathe a little life into them
It’s also a satisfying challenge to complete the upgrade successfully.
Excellent Charlie, that’s quite a saving on a new Unit, now I know why I model O Gauge. Thank you.
Could you imagine a 9 piece HST IN O!
I have 2 of these models and was supprised to hear of the price point I am just in the process of installing directional lights for DC the motor assembly looks good
I’m so pleased that you found interesting Andrew, regards Charlie
i have replaced a ringfield motor for a cd motor kit to 1980 's hst ( son's birthday present about to be thrown away ), the engine is smooth and pulls superbly with full rake 8 coaches on dc.Bringing back old to upgrade is best , innovation .prices of new models are crazy and coild shrink the hobby great video
A great comment Antony. We need to vote with our wallets, regards Charlie
Thanks to you and 00Bill I have brought a couple of OLD spares and repair 060's and a almost unused 1976 Dutchess of Sutherland. One of the 060's was a Lima GWR Pannier and I fitted a CD motor from Strathpepper Junction and a TCS-T1P decoder which just fits into the tender. Even though the Dutchess had not been run, the magnet had lost a lot of its power and there I replaced it with a N52 Neo magnet from Bowelrscroft. If I want to fit a decoder to the Dutchess I only need to fit a small piece of kapton tape between the peg that electrially connects the two motor bodies.
My journey into DCC via an Ardinuo is not progressing well as my poor old Range Rover P38 keeps getting in the way.
Again thanks for your videos, watching them is almost more fun than 'playing' with the trains themselves.
What a cracking comment Laurie. It’s great to have you on-board mate and good luck with your project. Regards Charlie
My first train set - Christmas 1977 - was a HST. Under £20. Still have it though the motor needs changing. Thanks for this Charlie..
I’m so pleased that you found it useful Mark. Regards Charlie
thank you i followed this step by step had a few teething problems at end but now running great . i bought the 125 from a show got home did not work . hope your do another like this in the future . cheers
Thanks Steve, I’m so pleased that all turned out well in the end. Regards, charlie.
Hi Charlie, I've recently bought a layout from a widower who's husband was very much a enthusiast. I'm looking forward to building a larger layout in my shed. I dare say ther will be cock ups but can't wait to start. Enjoy your videos. Cheers Neil
That’s great news, but do check out my video 209. Regards Charlie
Blimey! Charlie renovating a 40 yr old loco.... must admit I'm well happy! I can't afford new locos, so I have a good few needing 'serviced', including a few Triang R59s 😊
Well done Charlie. The hobby is expensive enough, so videos of upgrades and fixing old locos are welcome.
Thanks Ian, it’s good fun doing it too.
Regards Charlie.
It's nice to know there are so many options available to us. We are living in a golden age of model railroading!
All of this reminds me of when I worked on hot rods. Some of us that had the time and ability, could tinker and build our own and save a lot with sweat equity, or of you have limited time but more to spend, can get one all done!
An excelent comment Craig. Time available and ability are of course, a major factors.
Regards Charlie
I have a feeling Mark is going to be inundated! Great Video. I'd given up my really old DC stuff but this has given me inspiration to breathe new life into it. Thank you. Another great informative video
Yes he his already sold out. He was very surprised but clearly not us!
never give up! unless it's the Bachmann > Mainline splut chassis locos, they need new chassis, all the hornby stuff is easy to dcc, just cut the wire and solder the chip in place 😉
Excellent video! Shows that old stock doesn't need binned, but can be given a new lease of life....
Interested to see the conversion to DCC! Thanks Charlie!
Derek.
Wait people binned old hsts ?
Thanks Derek, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Really useful video which I used to update my old HST. Worth watching plus the subsequent video to upgrade the lighting.
Thanks Adrian, I’m so pleased that you found the videos useful mate. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, myself and my wife really enjoyed your video (as always ) I have 2 Hornby flying Scotsman that where bought for me in the mid 60’s along with a GWR tank locomotive and they all still run, in fact I have plans that when I finally get my latest layout built I will be converting these loco’s to DCC - please keep making your videos we love them.
Stay safe and well
Andy & Karen
Andy and Karen, it’s great to have you onboard, regards Charlie
Hi Charlie,
I've had this old Lima 117 in Reggie colours since I was a kid. The first loco I bought as a kid with my own money. I've always been putting the job of upgrading the motor to the side, thinking it was too much hassle.
I'm going to give this a go now!
All thanks to you.
But if it goes tits up, I'll send it over!
Many thanks for doing this video.
A lot of help.
Kind regards
Rhys
I’m sure your conversion will go like a dream. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway hia.
Could it go up the Helix? With a full rake?
Many thanks
Rhys
Hi Charlie, can I recommend that when using a soldering iron to shrink heat-shrink that you consider using the rightangle formed by the soldering iron tip and its retaining nut. This provides 2 surfaces for heat transfer and keeps the solder on the tip out of way. Phil, Geelong, Aus.
Are useful tip, Phil, thank you. Regards, Charlie
That's just genius, good to see people thinking of ways to continue using old models. I look very much forward to seeing the DCC conversion. John
Thanks John, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting mate.
Great blog thanks. Didnt know greenies where cleared for the use of hand tools !!
Actually a bombhead!
Thanks for this video I followed sute and changed my motor wow what a difference
I’m so pleased that you found it useful Andy. Regards Charlie
I have fitted cd motors to all of my ringfield diesels, best thing I've ever done, it's given them a new lease of life. I am also considering buying more margate models deliberately to covert them rather than as you say buy new at great expense.
Great video!!
It’s great to have onboard Olly.
Regards Charlie
Charlie,
Thank you for another great educational video.
It is great to know that it is possible to put new life into old models.
I am looking forward to the conversion to DCC video.
Cheers again, and stay safe, Michael
I’m so pleased that you found it interesting Michael and perhaps the next video will come in handy too. Regards Charlie
Charlie,
Thank you for a great video on the conversion/upgrading of the Hornby Class 43. I also think you have made an extremely valid point regarding the cost of products coming out of the Hornby stable.
I cannot understand why models produced by Hornby from the 1980s command such high prices today. Equally since buying up many other European companies - including Lima - why these older less detailed models cost so much is lost on me. Does Hornby really expect us to believe that the cost of producing an ex-Lima Mk3A sleeper truly is £44.99 or an ex-Airfix Mk2D is £49.49! Given that the Accurascale new highly detailed Mk2B is priced at £49.96, Hornby's inflated prices are not justified. I know the Airfix coaches were ahead of their time, but a model from 1976 being priced roughly the same as the latest tooling technology 46 years later? Really!
For a more direct comparison, look at the Hornby CDA triple pack: £84.99. Then take a look at the Accurascale CDA triple pack £62.46. This is a fair comparison as both toolings are new and model the same wagon. A signifcant price difference is also found with the MHA triple pack from both companies. Hornby - £72.99, Accurascale - £62.46. Given that Hornby is signifcantly larger than Accurascale, you would think they would be more competitive?
In short, Hornby is killing the hobby with these prices.
I would like to see more videos of detailing or upgrading older models. It would really bring back the 'modelling' in railway modelling. Keep up the good work.
What an excellent comment Stuart. Your figures really bring home the facts on Hornby’s business model.
Thanks Charlie, exactly what I needed to update my old stock. Looking forward too the DCC conversion. Keep up the good work, stay safe.
39:14 "Steve...I haven't broken it yet..." 🤣 Keep up the good work... and entertainment.
See you in two weeks, Charlie.
John BC, Canada
Thanks John, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Charlie, you are a Champion for model railway enthusiasts ! Your wide ranging tutorials are a blessing to many thousands of modellers at all levels, providing encouragement with your wonderful presentation of so many aspects of our hobby. You have certainly maintained and helped me, and I'm sure many others, retain an interest that does from time to time encounter periods of lapsed activity. Thankyou, please keep up your excellent involvement in promoting our wonderful hobby.
What a heartwarming comment Mick, regards Charlie
Great video, very helpful to us DC guys and girls.
Thanks Boss, you’re too kind.
Charlie, you're always taking care of your friends; and that's what this hobby is all about. Bravo! Great tutorial. Thanks again for the lesson!
Thanks Pat, that’s very kind of you to say so mate.
Thanks for the demo. I have one of the old Hst's was going to convert to the DVD motor, now that I see how easy it is I will have to do it. Leep up the good videos Doug in Canada
I’m so pleased that you found it interesting Doug.
Don't forget to change the tyres while you're there with the wheels off. I just did a service on three such HSTs (not this new motor, but servicing the original with a cleanup and new brushes and springs). The decades-old rubber on the wheels came off in hard chunks. Replaced and runs much better. (Hattons, something like 12 quid, as I recall). Looking forward to learning about adding new red lights in the next video! Thanks, Charlie!
I shall have to check out the supply from Hattons, how many Tyres did you buy for £12? Regards Charlie
Well done, Charlie. Quite the fiddly little job, but well worth it. I much prefer the old locos that have some history attached to them. Especially if they came from a relative or friend. Brilliant job on the rehab. Thanks for all you do.
I’m so pleased you found it interesting mate.
We can’t just discard these old locos to the bin! Regards Charlie
Great video Charlie - very well explained as to how to change the motor over. Cheers Euan
Thanks Euan, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Very nice "how to" Charlie.
I've replaced a few old Ringfield motors with CD Drive motors which is what the one you got from Mark looks like.
I 3D printed my own mount brackets but it's great that they are available as a kit like this for a reasonable price.
I usually fit one of the tiny ESU DCC chips while the loco is in pieces as well. Quite easy for most locos. Cheers!
Thanks Gerry I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it mate.
Great video Charlie. I admire your patience and skills, not only doing the work but videoing it as well. Amazing. Thanks for sharing. Roy.
The actual job only takes 30 minutes, but a video it it takes the whole day. Regards Charlie
A very informative video and you gave an excellent conversion process for upgrading / replacing the old Hornby Ringfield motor assembly. The reassembled model looks and runs beautifully, much more responsive. Totally agree with you about modern Hornby, they're going to have to be careful as they are amongst those manufacturers that may price themselves out of business, maybe they need to reassess things and pull back production to the UK from China to save on shipping costs and the like.
Great comment David. I just feel that Hornby are taking us for granted, that we will carry on buying their products regardless of price.
Awesome video Charlie!!! Thanks for sharing!! Cheers Onno.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it buddy,
Absolutely superb video plenty of food for thought cheers Charlie look forward to the next video.
Thanks mate I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, well I thoroughly enjoyed that - what a great idea. Looking forward to part 2. Keep up the great work. 😊
Thanks BV, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Loved your instructional video. Obtained my first HST non DCC ready yesterday to add to my existing nineteen different liveries. Was going to use Strathpeffer Junction replacement motor for the Ringfield until I found your video. Thought your choice of motor was better, so tried to order, but still out of stock.
He’s obviously had a run of them Kenneth. However, I’m sure that it be worth the wait. Regards Charlie
I got a motor out of an old cd player or vcr marked 12v and it fitted inside the hornby motor block the same as this although i removed the brass bearing i recall. I bought a hornby class 91 in gner livery on ebay for pennies as it was rough and didnt run., It now runs silky smooth although mine wll do a scale speed of over 500mph as well as a slow crawl. It pulls a full 9 coach rake easy by adding weights into the chassis to aid traction. Id say its one of the most fun trains to drive on my garden track where you can get speed up instantly in between the corners. Really i need to slow it down with some resistors. Great vid Charlie as always. I would recommend this type of conversion to anyone with old hornby or lima locos. Lots of kits on ebay or find a motor and order the little cogs to fit. Add some lights, a decoder and save 300 quid. Hornby are others are just being silly nowadays with price.
A great comment Iain, thank you. So pleased your projects are working well. Regards Charlie
Good tip about sliding the business car in, to help undo the Shell tabs. My trains are older than dirt, and I always feel I'm going to crack the shell.
I always find that I reach for a tool such as a screwdriver, and will end up scratching the body shell.
Excellent Charlie. I converted my 125 to cd drive. (Old cd drive hot glued in place. Yes I know, but it works) Can’t wait for episode 2 for the lights and DCC conversion
That’s great news, and hopefully you can join me next time. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, another easy to follow detailed 'how to' video. I have done the same with a 1970's Duchess using Marks motor and I am changing it to DCC this weekend.
Barry.Devon
was this a tender driven Duchess ? - mine is an old 70-80 tender driven and screams like mad when running
@@smileygoesfishing36 Yes it is. I bought 2, second hand and I am in the middle of doing a video showing the replacement motor on the 6233 Duchess of Sutherland that I think came on the market in the late 1970s and converting to DCC. My other duchess is 6234 Duchess of Abercorn is newer, being a 1980s model and I am converting that one as well. The reason for the video is that although the 1970s Ringfield motor looked the same as others, some lugs were different and it only had a red wire to the motor. I am not as chirpy as Charlie nor that good at videos, Just look at some of the 40 I have produced and you will see for yourself. .......... Barry
Great comments gentleman and I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video.
Thanks Charlie - great video! Looking forward to part 2. And also a review of your work on the fiddle yard!
The fiddle yard is still in progress, I’ll spend six hours on it tomorrow!
Wow. I am impressed Charlie. What a good idea. Thank you
Thanks Alan, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it mate.
Great video - waiting with bated breath for the DCC conversion.
I’m so pleased that your loyal Chaz.
Mine is from 1982 with a mates bi-directional fitted lights runs like a dream still
They really are a little gem. Regards Charlie
Thanks for a really excellent video so good to watch an expert at work
You’re too kind Antony, regards Charlie
12volt LEDs Charlie! (My HST has White & Red which are available. A bit of shaping around the front and it’ll loook 100% better than the filament.........). Just an observation for dc modellers. Super video. Super job.
Stay tuned for the next video Bob.
I will sort out those lights!
And boom. He only goes and does it again. Raising the bar ever higher. Well done @Charlie.
One day, when I get the chance I shall recover my old Hornby from where it is stored and as they date back to the early 80’s and have Ringfield motors it looks like new life can be breathed back into them. Just wonder whether the old R900 and R901 are still safe - will have to pull apart, check and PAT test!
Mind you David, if it isn’t broke don’t fix it.
Thanks for the indepth instructional video Charlie, seems a great value and well thought out conversion kit. I've got a large number of models from the late 80s/early 90s with this kind of drive that are now very kranky so it was great to see that they can be modernised.
Also makes me feel like I'm getting old when most of my locos are the old Margate made Hornby and split chassis Bachmann!
We can’t just leave them to gather dust in a box can we?
Definitely not. While we've got incredible models coming out now, some of the prices now are eye watering. There are lots of older locomotives that can be bought cheap and with a little work can be improved up to a good standard and you've had the fun of modelling along the way.
Hi Charlie, I am a great believer in recycle and repair. I am a DCC guy now, but some of my loco's are 55-60 years old and remain DC. I still keep all my old DC loco's serviced, and give them an occasional run on a DC test track! Thank you for a very informative video!
Regards
Mike
I’m so pleased that you find it interesting Mike, age isn’t necessarily a bad thing! Regards Charlie
Interesting diversion from your usual topics.
I reckon you need a gear puller Charlie, and circlip pliers. 😁
'Now it must be the turn of the cogs.' 🤣
I use Labelle #108 too. Bought a bottle about 14 years ago. Still have enough to last another 100 years or so. Also the #106 grease with PTFE and Micro-Trains 231 (Kadee) Grease-em graphite powder which is great for knuckle couplers.
It's much more fun to solder the wires before you put the heat shrink on and then desolder the wires. That's how I do it.
I’m so pleased that you found the video interesting, and especially as you can relate to soldering prior to the heat shrink application! Stay tuned mate, regards Charlie
Brilliant video Charlie. Gives me hope that I can revive old childhood locos!
It’s certainly saves them sitting in a box gathering dust. Regards Charlie
Outstanding video , can't wait for the DCC upgrade
It’s uploading as we speak David. Regards Charlie
Thank-you Charlie for the detail and production quality of this video. I have an older version 125 on display to remind myself of when I maintained the real things at Laira in the early 80s. Compared to the Class 50, never mind the 08, the 125 was cutting edge. To be alongside the Paxman Valenta power unit when at full revs was quite an experience. Great to see the results of your modification. Regards.
What a fascinating comment Chas. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie Great video. Hornby pricing has gone mad. I have converted an old Virgin HST with new motor and lights. Planning to try weathering for the first time on the model as well. Thanks for sharing your great knowledge. Thanks Roger👍
Thanks Roger, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Evening Charlie, Thankyou for this video. I have 3 sets which date back to the very early 80s. Still run well but need to be updated. Slowly getting all the parts together to “upgrade” to better 12v motor and directional lights, with possible option of dcc and TTS sound. I’m gonna go for fitting an 8 pin plug socket that way can keep DC or DCC. When ready for sound and upgraded speakers can hopefully just swap out the chip. All is an adventure. Best part was taking the ring field motor apart and servicing putting back together and then running. Seeing the improvement of a model that that old! Or young again. Can’t wait for the next instalment in 2 long weeks. All best marc
A great comment Marc.
And I’m sure that you’ll thoroughly enjoyed the next episode, it should be right up your street. Regards Charlie
I know it's an old video so it's probably been pointed out in the previous 616 comments already; but Mark is correct in his clip description, they are "E" Clips, not Circlips. It's not an alternative name for the same clip, they are different clips altogether. I converted one of my Class 37's to a CD motor, goes like a rocket, I must get around to fitting a resistor some time. Love your videos, keep 'em coming👍
Thanks Mick, I’m so pleased that you find my videos interesting. Yes it had been pointing out previously about the E clip. We live and learn! Regards, Charlie
Thank you Charlie. I've got 2x older hornby class 47s that I converted to dcc and stay alives but they never did run right. I always suspected the ringfield motor to be the issue with high voltage and current demands to start it causing issues with the back emf reading on the dcc chip.. I've ordered a kit and will fit to see if it changes any thing.
Thanks again for your time in creating these videos
My fingers are crossed for you Stuart. Regards Charlie
Motor has come and fitted.. new motor spindel seemed to short to fit as you described. Had to cut some metal away but still fitted very well.. as a update regarding the ddc decoder, this now runs soooo much better now... Will be upgrading my other ringfield motors now
Once again thanks for the videos
@@stuartfram5184 That's great news.
Hello Charlie, last week I saw the Hornby 2022 catalogue and was staggered at the prices that you rightly pointed out. How are young people ever going to get into the hobby. They will only be able to afford second hand trains. What you did with that locomotive was fantastic. Congratulations. Cheers Greg
That’s very kind of you to say so Greg. Regards Charlie
Thank you Charlie for another enjoyable video it's nice to see an alternative solution that just buying a modern model. Some costs for models are now very expensive and in limited volumes for example the deluxe class 47 from Bachmann.
I couldn’t agree more Simon. Those Bachman 47s are wonderful but it’s a shocking price to pay. And can we really see any difference from 2 or 3 feet away? Regards Charlie
Brilliant Charlie got one of the hsts from when I was a kid mmm just a lot older and still a big kid all the best 🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂
Good for you Adam, we shouldn’t just sell on our heritage. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, first time I’ve commented. Heat shrink is the most useful stuff, but behaves so much better with a mini heat gun. I have this one from Hobby Craft, but near identical tools are available from around £10 from Amazon. Shop if around local craft stores might be even cheaper- when I got mine it was £15 for a black one “man tool”, but only £10 for an identical blue or pink version “for embossing and crafting”😁
Trust me on this, it is so good to use. You’ll end up using heat shrink far more often: it’s so much neater.
Thanks Matthew,
You mentioned “I have this one”.
Did you mean to leave a link?
Regards Charlie
Really enjoyed the video Charlie, good standard helpful information as we expect thx.
You’re too kind Kevin. Regards Charlie
Good job, Charlie - another excellent video, thank you! Hope the thumbs have recovered, and looking forward to 'Part 2'.
On the question of exorbitant pricing there is no doubt that at 3 or 400 quid a shot (and the same for goods wagons at £70 or more a pop) you need deep pockets to indulge yourself with them - and this is going to seriously limit the number of people who treat themselves to one. Consequently, it's unlikely they'll be selling tens of thousands of them. But then, look at the level of very fine detail, and the choice of liveries they're often made available in. Researching, tooling, finishing and assembly to that exceptional standard for relatively small batches of product isn't going to come cheap. So thank you to these manufacturers for their efforts, and good luck to those for whom that level of detail is essential and who are rich (or daft) enough to keep them in business. But in the same breath surely these companies are missing a trick here? I'd suggest for a significant number of model railway enthusiasts the level of detail you had on Steve's old '80's HST and comparably vintaged models is more than adequate - and if you could produce something similar to your top-end products but retailing at £40 or £50 a go there has to be a market that would be hungry for them. Sadly, I'd suggest the absence of 'budget' product is harmful in the long run to the hobby: how many people are put off starting or returning to the hobby when they see product at this level of pricing?
Railway modelling is an amazing hobby that offers so many opportunities to while away the time, and it's great to see refurbishment of old stock being highlighted here as one of them. Getting an old loco to run again can be very rewarding, even if the end result doesn't meet the exacting standards of our 'finescale' colleagues! So maybe more videos like this one would do something to let people know you don't need to be related to Croesus, or have the mechanical skills of a Swiss watchmaker to feel proud of what you can achieve. Keep up the good work!
What a heartwarming comment David.
I’m so pleased to have you onboard.
Regards Charlie
I watched a video the other day (could find a link, if anyone's interested) which followed a US model company creating a model of a US diesel loco from scratch. I have to say, it was somewhat eye-opening, the extraordinary lengths they went to... IIRC it took around 12 months from design to the point where they were shipping the first units; each of which had over 100 individual parts on it. Obviously a product aimed at "serious" modellers, and not mere hobbyists or - let's be honest, most of us started this way - kids wanting to play with trainsets. I'm just getting into the "modelling" aspect of model trains (rather than the big kid playing with toy trains....) but scouring eBay for used loco bargains, it does strike me that maybe Triang had it right when they didn't try to accurately model specific locos, rather they created something "a bit like what might have been used" & built it tough enough to survive an 8-year-old's play. Perhaps that's what's missing from the market right now?
Speaking of exhorbitant pricing.... I'm looking to model the immediate pre-war LMS, and most of Hornby's rather limited range of suitable coaches are all around £60 each! Think I'll stick with converting old tinplate coaches instead...
@@theelectricmonk3909 Would love the link if you could find it.
@@williamvanalen9414 no worries! Took a bit of digging as I couldn't find it in my history list... But here it is: ruclips.net/video/WoxtnAYGwrc/видео.html
Thanks for the amazing video as always Charlie. I have been thinking about getting some older stock and modifying it, so this video is a great help.
That’s great news, I do hope you find it useful. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, not sure if this has been mentioned in previous comments, but when soldering try to keep the heat shrink tubing as far away as possible from the joint, or you run the risk of it shrinking on you, and then it won’t go over the joint….How do I know, because I’ve done it…Already done several of these conversions myself, including adding DCC decoders, and LED lights, but you’ve done another great job. Keep up these interesting, and informative videos.
Thanks Roly, advice is always welcome.
Regards Charlie
Prompted by your video, I went one step further. I have put the latest HST bogies (regauged to EM) and drive motor into an old 1980s chassis and will be adding DCC sound and separate white and red lights. Total cost £150 including buying a 1980s HST as the victim. Much better than £369, and that's without sound...! And that's before I sell on the old bogies and ringfield motor..! Thread on RMWeb under Modifying & Detailing RTR stock Keep up the good work!
That’s great news Patrick, and I do hope that it all goes well.
Regards Charlie
Perfect timing, Charlie! I just got back from the sandwich shop, and needed something to watch while I had lunch! I'd send you some, but I don't think it would be worth eating by the time it got from the central US to the English coast.
Forgetting to put the heat shrink tubing on before you solder the wires? Been there, done that. More times than I care to admit.
I think forgetting to use the heat shrink is a law and we must abide by it! Regards Charlie
Another great video, Charlie. It’s a shame it didn’t come a couple of weeks ago. I’ve just added DCC sound to my class 31 with 3-pole Ringfield. I wish I’d known about these replacement motors at the time. The Hornby class 31 IMHO is a horrible piece of engineering so I won’t be opening it up again in a hurry. Keep up the good work. I look forward to the next instalment.
Sorry that it’s a little late David.
I’m still hunting for a decent 31!
Regards Charlie.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Maybe the recently announced Hornby 31 will fit the bill
Thanks for that Charlie. I have a lovely old Hornby 125 that I always wanted to “upgrade”. It always went fairly well but I guess time caught up with it and it sort of died despite my best efforts to disassemble and clean her 🙄 I saw a fella using a CD motor on a video some time ago but he was using a hot glue gun etc, so this kit looks perfect 🤩
I suspect he has a veritable production line running now. I have quite a few old Hornby Ringfield motors that need an upgrade so I should set up an account with him! 😜
Thanks as ever mate, have a great fortnight 👍🍀🥂
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Tim.
And yes, Mark is busy with the postal system!
Charlie,
A friend of mine also has converted locs with this pickup arrangement: front truck left side and rear truck right side. Or the other way around.
This DCC conversion worked fine until he tried to drive from one booster district to another.
In this case, momentarily on the booster separation gap, the loc takes its “left power” from one booster and “right power” from the other booster.
This resulted in a stall from the loc.
He had to place additional pickups on the wheels without pickups and on both trucks to eliminate this problem.
I hope this information is helpful.
Regards,
Jelle
An interesting comment, however if he fitted a stay alive would that have worked?
Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Hello Charlie,
Using a Stay Alive is an interesting idea. We did not try that.
I can’t picture exactly what will happen electronically though.
Our locomotives were old brass Overland USA locos.
Placing additional pickups in the steam locomotive proofed to be too difficult and time consuming.
It found its way back in the display case I believe.
In the diesel locomotive (same brand), adding extra pickups in the trucks was relatively straightforward.
That said, USA locos generally speaking do not have traction tyres.
Pickups on wheels with traction tyres does not seem to be that effective to me.
So, if you decide to try a stay alive when you encounter the same problem I look forward to your findings.
Regards,
Jelle
Thanks Charlie it took me four attempts to watch the video, how dare life get in the way of one of my favourite vloggers 😂😂😂
Were you falling asleep Colin?
Not at all Charlie, I had to go and do other things, so frustrating, I’ll have to find somewhere to hide 😂😂
Brilliant Charlie, thanks for the video, looking forward to the next one
Thanks Barry, regards Charlie.
Great upgrade. Satisfying job to do.
Thanks Fred, I’m so pleased you enjoyed it.
Great video Charlie. Always enjoyable to watch your videos. You have so much information to offer and always make things look so easy.
Hi Phil, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it mate. Regards Charlie
Good afternoon Charlie... I have just fitted one of the slimline, 9.5MM?, to an A3 Bittern, tender fitted. Also at the same time converted to Dcc. lucky there is space at the back of the tender to fit a protective plate to put the decoder on.. works well, the only thing with the slimline motor is its 6volts.. but obviously just set the CVs to top out the top voltage.. anyway enjoyed the vid.. still not got my shed built but am converting a loco a day :) cheers..
Dave
That’s great news Dave, keep at it mate. Regards Charlie
I had a go at getting my old HST going a few weeks ago. I used a gear puller to remove the wheels and the small brass gear. I found some of the wires ont the armature were broken so i just put a small bit of solder on it. It worked which suprised me. Watch your video I think replacing the motor with one of the ones you showed would be better. I will have to get 1.
I’m so pleased you found it interesting James, and good luck with yours mate.
Great video Charlie, I've converted a few old Lima / Hornby locos this way and added led lights and dcc decoders, resprayed, which I'm very happy with. The results at a fraction of the cost of a new loco. Still looking for a class 43 set to do though!!! Keep up the good work...Just finished a Lima class 47 in Colas colors which I'm over the moon with..
Good for you Anthony. We shouldn’t bow to these hugely expensive additions.
Regards Charlie
Hello Charlie, I've been watching a few of your videos. That model is almost as old as me! Great work you've done with it, looking forward to the next one 👍
Thanks Si, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Excellent video Charlie,
It gave me the inspiration I needed to have ago myself…..
I’m certainly looking forwards to your DCC conversation on the next video.
I’m so pleased that you found it interesting John. Regards Charlie
Great Video Charlie, I'm with you on the horrendous prices of new models, I'd rather go to ebay and repair / upgrade the model. Looking forward to the dcc conversion.
Thanks Alan, it’s great to have you on-board mate. Regards Charlie
Looking at the brand new versions of Locos and comparing them to the old - the level of detail is now so fantastic - look at the red lining and separate hold rails on the boiler of the P2 as an example of detail. To buy second hand older versions on eBay really depends on one's acceptance of reality to 'bodged' or almost right and possibly passable in the dark. But for this one must be prepared to pay the price. One is fortunate not to be in the recording industry where a good microphone can be £2 - 3 thousand - and more! Same applies to Cameras and Lenses in Photography!
Superb vid Charlie. Very informative and well explained. Looking forward to the next instalment.
Thanks Clive, it’s great to have you on-board mate. Regards Charlie
Thank you once more Charlie, very interesting. I have looked at these before and your video is quite illuminating. Hopefully we will be able to see the interior of the later, post 2008 model, to see the difference in motor layout and drive system.
I’m a little confused Brian. I don’t have the 2008 model. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway at about 2 mins in, you show your own HST, R2701, dating from 2008 - 2010. That's the one I refer to, thank you.