IMPROVE YOUR TRAIN CONFIGURATIONS with a SIPHON G from Accurascale at Chadwick Model Railway | 193.
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- No one likes boring trains that all look the same. By coupling a Siphon G either behind the loco or at the end, can improve its appearance and, make it more prototypical. Here we review the Siphon G from Accurascale and put it through its paces, at Chadwick Model Railway 193.
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Hello Charlie, thanks for the video, just to add the Syphon H only transported elephants on BR major trunk routes
Thanks David, a detail that we should “never forget”.
Regards, Charlie
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Trunk routes 🤣
Hi Charlie, back in the early 80's I was a postman and one of my night duties, along with some other collegues, was to meet the Penzance to Paddington Sunday night parcels train at Slough station. The train consisted of about 10 syphon G's and full brakes. We were allowed approx 5 mins to unload between 200 and 300 bags of mail before the guard told us "Thats it, the rest will go to Pad and back to you tomorrow", so you can imagine it was hard fast work. Most of the siphons were in very dirty condition, all in blue livery and I still have one of the keys to unlock the doors of them. Great video, brought back a lot of memories for me.
Michael,
Quick Question. As you were a rail postman can you tell me what those side wall sliders were used for?
It seems to short for cattle or "Elephants". Sorry Charlie.
Jim in N.Y., U.S.A.
Thanks Michael, great information from happier times. Mind you, I didn’t give you much time today!
Regarding the vertical sliders, they seem to reveal more vents. You can see them in one of the photos. Regards, Charlie
Very interesting comment there. Father in law used to unload the vans at Redhill
I’m happy to say I’m not too old to learn something new. Thanks Charlie! It’s a big box to smuggle past the Mrs.
Pay cash and leave not trail!
Regards Charlie
All very useful and informative stuff with the wider context, thank you. Using the Bank of England’s Inflation Calculator, £12 in 1978 would now be £61.18, which makes the more detailed Accurascale version cheaper in relative terms!
Thanks Phil, I’m so pleased that you found interesting. Regarding the Bank of England calculator, perhaps things aren’t so bad after all! The added detail is clearly worth a few extra pounds. Regards, Charlie
As a non-brit I first thought, Siphon G is a mad British rapper 😅 interesting video. Thank you!
Now that’s a very interesting thought. Regards, Charlie
Charlie, what an intersting "Product Review".
Not only did you tell us about the wagon on review, but the history of the model over the many years, and the actual history of the Real wagon.
It was soooo interesting.
It is great to review the history of the real thing over time from its inception till, either scrapped, or preserved, or stored for preservation.
We all model a particular time, or at least I do, 1978 to 1983, a time of great changes in the Australian Rail networks, and looking at the locos of the time and the state of them, and the rolling stock is just so fascinating.
Thank you for sharing, cheers, and take care, Michael
Thanks Michael, I’m so pleased you enjoyed the historical side of the video. I do find that digging around in books whilst I conduct my research to be a fascinating side of the hobby. Regards, Charlie
Interesting. A quick google of 1 UK Pound in 1979 is actually around 77 pounds today. So the new one is way cheaper in buying power. Thanks for the content.
Over the years I've done the calculation of model railway costs compared to average salaries and found that as a proportion of average salary railway modelling has gotten slightly cheaper.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 Yeh I think it is just the number size thing. Everything is a big number today. But I do remember buying trains back in the 70s and thinking how expensive they were at the time. Especially Hornby.
Thanks guys, for such excellent observations. Regards, Charlie
Awesome Video Charlie
Thanks Christopher, so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards, Charlie
Loved every moment of this. Well done
Thanks Mr AB. I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards, Charlie
You know that feeling when you've done something that was really difficult and you feel really pleased, yet no-one else will ever know and you can't explain it to them. Well, that's the reason to have the best model of all the underneath of a bit of rolling stock. You know its there, even if no-one else ever sees it. I like all those details and, as you said, you can always cut them away if you need to. Another enjoyable and informative video. Cheers Charles
Thanks Charles, and I appreciate you putting a different spin on the details. Regards, Charlie
another fabulous video Charlie your railway is looking amazing always enjoy your running sesions .like i have said before could watch it all day and never get bored and it inspires me to better my own model railway regards
Please remember Geoffrey, good enough is often good enough.
Great video, as always
Thanks Kevin, so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards, Charlie
As usual Charlie very informative
I’m so pleased that you enjoy it John. Regards, Charlie
Thanks Charlie for an interesting and factual video, enjoyed the short running clips and can't wait to see the next stage of the building of Chadwick. Take care and please stay safe regards Barry..
Thanks Barry, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. I won’t be long before the last pieces of track are fitted at long last. Regards Charlie
Another great and informative video, Charlie. Enjoy your weekend ahead, and I look forward to your next video.
Thanks Mark, I do hope you enjoy the sunshine. Regards Charlie
I used to catch the 1237 train off Swindon in 1974, it had a Western hauling the train and a G on the front of XP 64 stock to Cardiff
Many thanks, DD. Happy days with great memories. Regards, Charlie
Nice one Charlie, keep the videos coming.
If you keep watching Alan, I’ll keep making. Regards, Charlie
A great review Charlie! I like the way your reviews focus on things like configurations and couplings. Reminds me of your goods wagon rakes video and these are so helpful as you have the knowledge, research and do the heavy lifting for us.
Thanks Andy, that’s much appreciated. Regards, Charlie
A very interesting video as always Charlie 👍
Thanks Alan, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards, Charlie
Really interesting look at the different models and the latest version. Good insight into their use too. Fascinating video. Thanks Charlie. Roy.
You’re most welcome Roy. I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it, regards, Charlie
A very detailed review and great to see trains running on your marvellous layout. The context of how this rolling stock was employed really had me hooked. Thank you.
That’s very kind of you to say so, Chas.
Regards, Charlie
It's fascinating to see that the manufacturers have paid attention to what levels of detail the buyers find minimally acceptable, and that level has increased over the years and decades.
(If reminding me of my grandfather's adage that: "Fishing lures are designed to attract anglers, not fish." 🙂 )
Very cool video--many thanks
What a fantastic adage. I will be making a note of that one. Regards, Charlie
A great review Charlie!!! Love it!! Thanks for sharing mate! Cheers Onno.
Thanks Onno you are more than welcome mate. Regards, Charlie
Hey Charlie, just wanted to say thank you for all the effort you put into your vids, I’m just starting to get back into the hobby, and am enjoying watching your backlog of content to keep me inspired and motivated.
Thanks Luke, that’s very kind of you to say so. Regards, Charlie
Great video and very informative good idea putting them in there look good to 👍
Thanks Clive, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards, Charlie
great video Charley enjoyed that one!
Thanks Richard, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards, Charlie
Good review 👍
Thanks Railway 187, much appreciated. Regards, Charlie
As ever, another excellent take on the model railway world. A few points arising - I understand that there is a new reference book on Siphons on the way which will supersede the much sought-after HMRS volume (referred to at about 20:03). Second, in their latter days, several Siphon G's were refurbished, fitted with corridor connections, electric train heating and benches/tables for use on newspaper traffic. There's even one in the photo at 23:37 (second vehicle in the formation). The idea of the corridor connections was to allow the newspaper sorters access the Brake Second coach for toilet and rest facilities. But it was quite a sight seeing full rakes of gleaming Siphon Gs at Paddington in the early hours, usually with a class 50 up front, taking the day's papers from Fleet Street to various parts of the former GW network. That is until BR lost the newspaper contracts ... Thereafter, the "newspaper" Siphon G's were relegated to the general parcels fleet ans they were in better condition than many newer vehicles. (Accurascale do have a newspaper Siphon G in their range.)
What an excellent comment, KJ.
I know of the newspaper wagons, however, I think I would need to buy at least six!
Regards, Charlie
Very informative vid Charlie. Thanks. Arthur
You’re most welcome Arthur. Regards, Charlie
Thank you for another fascinating video Charlie.
Learning so much about the past of actual railways is so interesting and more so for me having started late in life model building.
Also learning about engine construction via the Watercress Line engine workshop where a few club members volunteer.
Watching your videos, no matter what the subject, is a highlight for me. keep 'em coming Charlie
Thanks David, that’s very kind of you to say so. Regards, Charlie
thanks charlie. it's seeing your layout and a bit of running i love. especially the helix. thanks. kevin
Thanks Kevin, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards Charlie
Cheers Charlie, another great video that put a lot of meat on the bones, very informative and I might just need to stretch the budget that much further! All the best.
Thanks Simon, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards Charlie
Excellent train layout Charlie
Thanks Mels, regards, Charlie
Fab video Charlie. I’d love to see a running session on the layout soon, it’s really taking shape.
Thanks Josh, I’m so pleased that you found the video interesting. Regards Charlie
Really liked the content regarding train configurations, Charlie. I have some lovely Farish N Gauge GUV’s and now understand how I can use them better. Cheers, Andy.
Thanks Andy, I’m so pleased that you found the video useful. Regards Charlie
Thanks for this video Charlie, got my siphon g’s last week so this is very helpful.
Thanks Dan, I’m so pleased that you found the video useful. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie 👍 That was very inspiring I can’t believe how good the Lima one still stacks up and you have given me some inspiration to have a go and have a bit of model bashing with one.
Thanks for sharing
Andy
You’re most welcome Andy. Good luck with your modelling. Regards Charlie.
Thank you for an extremely interesting and well-researched video, and a fascinating glimpse of rail history. I am sure I would have seen some of these combinations as a child between the mid-Sixties and Mid Seventies, operating in the South East on Southern Region.
Thanks Alan, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. A glimpse back in history. Regards Charlie
Thanks Charlie..another very informative video
You’re most welcome, Graham, regards, Charlie
After watching your video I remembered that i have a lima siphon G that my late father bought me about 1980..it will fit into the time scale I'm modeling .although I'll have to change the couplings and wheels.
Lovely video Charlie, brought back lots of happy memories of standing on Twyford station on a warm summer evening watching 47s hauling newspaper trains with siphon Gs in them.
Thanks, Turns, but do we have any photos of them, no! Regards, Charlie
You create fantastic content. Since finding your channel I have watched every video that you have created. Due to living in a very congested city I doubt that I will ever be able to build a layout again so I live the hobby through your work. Thank you.
That’s very kind of you to say so MM. I’m so pleased that you enjoy my videos, and it’s great to have you on board. Regards, Charlie
Re can't build a layout for lack of space, have you considered the new TT:120 or maybe N gauge (lots of N second hand so cheaper than new TT). Just a suggestion. Or maybe a small end-to-end rather than a loop?
Thanks Charlie, still watching and enjoying from Australia 👏
Thanks Des, it’s great to have you on board mate. Regards, Charlie
Every day is a school day, especially with 'Tales from the Sea Dog'. Thanks Charlie, really enjoyed this one!
You’re most welcome me hearty!
Regards Charlie
I like your attention to Protoype Modelling Consists
It is so important IMHO
Thanks William, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway The BR Warship and Western led Trains were spectacular. I love the Era of BR
Hi Charlie. Good informative vid , for those of us who haven't got a clue ,what goes with what, that was a grate help , as I have a couple on order. Thanks
You’re most welcome Phil, regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie
Always interesting and often different. Subjects I often wouldn't consider but now I find very interesting .
Look forward to each episode.
Thanks.
Stay safe.
Howard
Thanks Howard, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. It’s great to have you onboard, regards Charlie.
I marval at your scenery. It's just super. You have quite the eye as tey say. Not being from the UK , i dint know the difference between uour cars but you are vertinlay giving me an education. Thanks all new info is good info.
Thanks Bob, I’m so pleased that you find the channel interesting. Regards Charlie
Very enjoyable video. I only have the one Siphon H...the Hornby variety. I did like the selection of pics,. too, especiallythe one of the 47 passing Canton. Thanks Charlie...all the best.
Thanks Tim, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards Charlie
Thanks Charlie,
Several lessons there for a relative newbie like me; both modelling tips, history and train formations - all in the one video.
Thanks Vernon and I do hope that you have subscribed. Regards Charlie.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Yep, fully subscribed for around 3 years now Charlie.
Very full and informative video Charlie. It has reassured me that my pre-order of the Accurascale Siphon G will be a valuable addition to my layout. I have three LIMA siphon Gs but I expect they will be resold in due course and replaced by these more modern models.
I’m betting Peter, that you keep them all!
Regards, Charlie
Brilliant! I Loved this one Charlie - Siphons are Fascinating to me and have several examples, even right back into the Mists of the Steam era (tho I realise your main focus is from a Diesel aspect) and I’ve even seen old pics of cattle wagons utilised for this purpose, I think Versatility is the “Mother” of invention😜 - Fantastic descriptions of Freight Consists, also I can remember visiting BRS centre in the Goods yard at midland Rd Worcester to Collect various bits n pieces back in the day. Your Layout is really coming to life now Awesome 👏🏻 Many Thanks 👍🏻✨
Thanks DB for such a heartwarming comment mate. Good luck with your project, regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie, Lima was acquired along with the rights to its designs and mouldings by Hornby in 2004.
Thanks GS, that one had passed me by. Regards, Charlie
No Ivor in sight! 🫣 Nicely put together episode. 👍🏻✌🏻🇬🇧
Thanks Steven, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards, Charlie
The type of videos I tend to prefer, ones that have trains in and not wiring, enjoyable thank you
I do try to provide variety M1. Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie,very interesting,i'm very new to all this(only 72),I've learned so much from your video's. Great stuff.
Thanks Timothy , that’s very kind of you to say so. Regards, Charlie
Charlie we love you and we love your video's. Excellent.
That’s most kind, Ian. Regards, Charlie.
Back when i was a kid i had a Lima King George V loco. When i went away to univeristy, my mum threw it away. I was gutted when i found out.
That’s shocking. I bet that took a long time to forgive. Regards, Charlie
As always a great video, nice to see a you tube modeler not overwhelmed by the "over the top" ness hype surrounded by Acurascale models.
An interesting observation Ely.
Regards Charlie
Out of my ERA but very interesting, given me a few ideas. Cheers.
Barry.Devon
Thanks Barry, it’s so difficult trying to appeal to such a wide audience. I imagine it’s from Victorians through to modern image. Not to mention the various gauges. Stay safe, regards, Charlie
Charlie,
You comments about the Real Rail use of these Syphon G's is not just pertinent to Brit Rail.
I just led a verbal altercation of how U.S. Steamers had the same consist order prior to the Mid-70's. And the national breakup of passenger and freight traffic. (AMTRAK vs. ConRail & Canadian CSX).
Your historical information is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT for modelers planning other than contemporary or futuristic modeling.
If you have the technical ability to copy/edit historic photos, and script v/o's, you might be able to build a warehouse of episodes to be released so you and "she who must be heard" will have some free Holiday time. Just a thought.
Jim in N.Y.
A great comment, many thanks. I think you’re right, historical content should never be lost. Regards, Charlie
Very interesting indeed. Great video. Those siphons got everywhere! I even remember seeing a few at Clapham Junction back in the late 70's, early 80's. The prices are extremely expensive, if you can afford it, great but for me, I like to give older rolling stock a fresh chance of living again and get them working again. Keep up the good work.
Actually Aaron, considering inflation, they are no more expensive now than they were in 1979. Regards, Charlie
Thanks Charlie another great informative video, i had the too long/wide axle problem and as i could not get any suitable wheels here in New Zealand i used some Hornby ones by filling the ends of the axles by a small amount until they spun freely .Cheers from Christchurch N.Z.
What a great bit of ingenuity, Alan. Regards, Charlie.
If any other company had done such a good job they would be nearer 100. Love the video great to see how they fitted in a train. You always go above and beyond when you look at new stock.
Thanks CT, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards, Charlie
The Siphon G must be one of my favourite pieces of rolling stock. From 1961 I lived right next to the Western Region mainline at Slough and these were always going past in many configurations. Like you Charlie, I have around six in my collection, mainly all maroon and the piece about the wheels was very interesting. I may well convert mine over. As ever a well presented video with all the "Charlie" banter. Super job.
That’s very kind of you to say so Kevin.
I wonder if you have any photos of them lurking about? Regards, Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Suffice to say that in the stupidity of my youth all of my Ian Allan combined volumes and plenty of photos went to that grand land fill in the sky!! I became obsessed with aviation (and I still am) and it's only in the last 15 or so years that I have returned to my first passion of railways. I still have some old loggings from 1964/5 to Old Oak Common, Willesden and Banbury. Oh the memories!!
This was great Charlie. It's not really "my era" (I'm more of an Era 9 kinda guy), but this was a really enjoyable and informative video mixing review with a bunch of history etc. I only knew a tiny bit about Siphons, and now I know a lot more 🙂It's a great format.
Thanks mate, that’s so kind of you to say so. Regards, Charlie
Thanks for another really interesting and informative video. A lovely selection of locomotives and rolling stock running on the layout, a pity one shot was spoiled by the TV remote. It will be interesting to see if Accurascale comes back to you regarding removing the wheels and checking the back to backs. I look forward to seeing your next build video.
Thanks Simon I’m so pleased you found it interesting. You’re clearly going to be the first of many commenting on the TV remote. Clearly I shot myself in the foot on that one but it’s a fair hit. Regards Charlie
Trains up and till the nineties were great as you could always have a Parcel coach or even two on your train. Whilst holidaying in Scotland, I recall a braked box van being added to a D.M.U! Then there were the mail trains that were a combo of TPOs, Parcels, and 3 or 4 BSKs for the Passengers. Great video on the Syphons, coupling height and correct separation. Thanks for mentioning that 14.5 is the correct back to back dimension. This is really important as you can have an small 0-4-0 shunter waddling like a duck down the track! Finally Hornby bought Lima and used their moulds for the Railroad range!
A great comment, Bill, with great info. Many thanks, regards, Charlie
Thanks for another informative video. Great stuff as always.👍
As lovely as these highly detailed Accurascale models are, at 50 quid plus I’m out. Virtually my entire coaching/syphon stock is Lima all purchased second hand on evilBay. I am slowly working my way through them updating the couplings and doing the wheel upgrade that you mention here. Each one will be well under £20 each when all said and done and good enough to keep me happy. Anyway thanks again Charlie and all the best.
An excellent comment, GW. Actually giving inflation the new wagons are very close in price to the originals! Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie, well that was a very nice informative watch, thanks. I especially liked the photo of the A4 hauling Siphon G wagons, which means I can have one too! I really liked your review and the fact your willing to point out the bad bits too, even though Accurascale asked you to do the review.................some on here, would feel obliged to rave about how great they were and gloss over the issues, but not Charlie. Great stuff, and thanks Dave.
Honesty is the best policy Dave. That way I don’t feel indebted to anyone. Regards, Charlie
The Lima brand is nowadays owned by Hornby. Indeed the Lima class 47 tooling is the current Hornby railroad class 47, and is used as a budget or entry level locomotive.
Thanks CS, that one slipped me by. Regards, Charlie
Very informative Charlie !, love the different avenues you explored very interesting. The detail looks amazing although I do agree maybe slightly too far on the brake lines for some modellers. Oh an your unboxing technique always makes me chuckle 🤭 👍
Thanks Lee I’m so pleased that the review made you smile. Regards, Charlie
Very interesting video Charlie, i like the full detail you give but i really enjoyed seeing the trains run towards the end you've got a awesome railway. I agree with what you're saying about having to pay £5 for delivery for one item from Peter's spares, if im repairing something i don't always want to make up a big order. I'm waiting from some bits from Peter's at the moment and I've got 5 items coming but luckily they still fall into the £5 postage i do shop around but hayho sometimes we've no choice. Take care Charlie, Eddy xx
Yes Eddy, I agree. Buying bulk to keep the postage down. Regards, Charlie
Great as always.....where I grew up there were only passenger or coal wagons..2-6-2s were so common. Wirral.
And such happy days too David.
Regards, Charlie
Amazing amount of underframe detail but with most of it not being visible in use, I wonder how many people would prefer it without this and have a reduction in price instead. Great video one again Charlie.
I think you’re bang on the money FB. Regards, Charlie
I got three in maroon, they’re fantastically detailed. Can’t wait for my Mk 1’s to ship!
Great choices Phil, regards Charlie
Hornby bought all of the Lima moulds in, I think, 2009. The former Lima moulds that were modernised by Hornby formed the basis for Hornby's Railroad range of wagons and locos. I don't remember Hornby releasing a Siphon G or H.
Thanks John, much appreciated.
Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Hello Charlie, Thanks for your informative and entertaining videos. Regards John
Great stuff again Charlie. The bach to back gizmo "V" brake rodding......CUT A SLOT in the back to back using a hacksaw with 2 or 3 blades fitted side by side. Job sorted, please make a cheque out to......
Apparently, Sjaak, there is a back-to-back gauge, similar to what you have described. Regards, Charlie
Another very informative well put together video Charlie. Really liked the Siphon G history and the sourcing of non pizza cutter wheels for this vehicle. More in this line would be much appreciated by me at least as I am starting back to railway modeling after many years. A wee bit older than yourself I can just remember standing in a friends garden when very small watching steam trains passing Hatchend. Thanks for all the work you have put in in to your channel it is very much appreciated and enjoyed.
Thanks Stephen, that’s very nice of you to say so. Good luck with your project and stay safe. Regards, Charlie
Nice trains, guv.
Indeed, they are Andrew.
Regards, Charlie.
Most of the lima range was bought by hornby. They ended up eventually with a number of the airfix moulds, some via dapol.
Interesting thing about elephants and railway vehicles, the southern built dedicated vans for them, seemingly the traffic was sufficient to warrant the investment. Sadly no model exists that I know of.
Yes BC, a circus train would be an interesting subject to Model. Regards, Charlie
The quality of the body on the Lima version is actually very good, a bit of work underneath especially the bogies can transform them.
… and the couplings Mike.
Regards Charlie
I suppose if your Syphon had an accident and ended on its side, you would need that detail! Sometimes models catch the light and bits like brake rigging are highlighted so I'm grateful for that detail. but it is a pest when it gets caught up during running! I've got an angled back to back gauge which obviates the problem you described, thanks Charlie fascinating video!
Thanks Michael, I shall have to track down that kind of gauge. Regards, Charlie
Hello Charlie. A great video, I have some 2 axle and 3 axle milk tankers, but the siphon G are something I would like to get. Only problem is N gauge seems to be very short of them. Love the info and video. Thanks for sharing your time and wealth of knowledge.
Thanks Paul, I’m so pleased that you enjoy the channel. Regards Charlie
This is exactly why I'll always choose the Lima over the Accurascale model. I think underframe detail is completely pointless because you're never going to see it from any normal viewing distance or angle, it adds to the cost of the model and just makes it awkward when it comes to maintaining or improving the stock. If all you're going to do is put it in a display cabinet and leave it there, buy the Accurascale one. If you're going to operate and model it, the Lima one wins for me every time.
I do understand your point of view, however, let’s not lose sight of those dreadful pizza cutter wheels on the Lima stock. Regards Charlie
Nice one, Charlie. Seen these siphon's advertised but didnt really understand what they were used for.
Hopefully it every day is a school day at Chadwick! Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie, You show incredible dedication to your subject! I have one of those wagons but I didn't know it was called a Siphon G! A difficulty you highlighted are the older models with Pizza cutter wheels. I believe this was a standard originally created by Marklin on their 3-rail system. This had tinplate track with no sleepers! Hornby Dublo 3-rail is code 100 rail based on Marklin standards and gives clearance for pizza cutter wheels, as does Triang Super 4 track. System 6 track on which all modern HO/OO track is based has code 100 rail but with sleepers with insufficient clearance for pizza cutter whieels. Code 75 track, made by Peco which you mention, is a Finescale modellers item. It is probably best not to use it on a generic layout. All that old stuff will run quite happily on System 6 track! Here is a demo, if you fancy a Dublo R1 tank!
ruclips.net/video/4jear1dHYTI/видео.html
Thanks for uploading.
Thanks Allen, many thanks and a great video. Regards Charlie
Charlie - inspirational as usual - thought you may like sight of this ‘Lima Parcels Express’ - purchased new in the late 70’s / early 80’s for the sum of £3.55….😮
It’s a deal Philip. Regards, Charlie
Great review, and thanks for highlighting pointless, invisible detail on models, and its effect on servicing, for this model. Also as I get older the fragile nature of some detail means it gets easily broken 😡.
Same here John, I break more than I fix!
Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, thanks for another cracking video. Some while ago I bought a number of Lima & Mainline Siphons, secondhand (I cannot bring myself to say "pre-owned".... ). I knew they were old when I bought them, but hadn't appreciated just how old they really are. Hence I found the history of the models section to be very interesting. It goes without saying that in terms of detail and accuracy, the new Accurascale model wins hands down. But I think that the old models still look good enough, especially when in motion. As others have, I also checked the 1979 price of the Lima model using the Bank of England inflation calculator. Interesting to note that the new prices for both models are in fact comparable. On the one hand, Accurascale wins the value contest in terms of detail, and shows what modern production methods can achieve. On the other hand, from today's perspective, the Lima models are now true secondhand bargains that offer excellent value for money, and are still worthy of consideration. On another note, as someone who is no fan of "unboxing" videos, I found your time lapse approach to unpacking the models a refreshing change. Excellent!
Thanks Dave, for a great comment.
Regards Charlie
That's interesting l was thinking about the inflation factor as well, l was surprised they cost £12 in 1979 would have thought they would be cheaper?
Hi Charlie, don’t knock the detail, we have waited a lifetime for it.
Regardless great review, thanks for sharing
Thanks 1BC, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards Charlie
Charlie, excelent video as normal. £12.00 in 1983 is around £40.00 today, so considering the improved tooling, wheels, detailing etc the extra £12.00 for the Accurascale wagon is value for money.
A very interesting comparison Chris.
Regards Charlie
Very interesting video - lots of useful information. I own a couple of the Lima siphons, and rather than forking out a disproportionate amount of money for replacement metal wheelsets, there is the much cheaper option of using some very cheap Lima plastic (sacrilege, I know) wheels that won't cause shorts on the DCC diamond crossings.
If it works for you Richard, that’s all that really matters. Regards Charlie
Hi, Charlie. The ex-LMS parcels van is a BG (brake gangway) as is the BR mk1 equivalent. Some other vehicles that might be of interest are the ex-SR PMV and CCT (both 4-wheelers), a BY (4-wheel brake parcels van) or a B (bogie parcels brake van). Also the ex-LNER BZ, a 6-wheeled parcels van (I believe that there was also an -ex-LMS BZ). As you rightly point out, Siphons did 'go astray' as did many ex-LMS, LNER and SR vehicles, parcels and freight alike. Hope this is useful.
Thanks Philip, that’s great detail. I need to invest in a little more time on this subject. Regards Charlie
I bet the Lima was about 4 times as much if compared against % of income (40 year ago would see a monthly wage of less than £400 for me), something which a lot of people tend to forget. Good honest review and info on how they were used, I'd never heard of them before so had no idea how to use them if i had any. I've always struggled to find examples of a typical rake but Accurascale have been helpful on their website showing formations for some of their products, I hope they do more as they are my "go to" brand at the moment.
I couldn’t agree more Kev, they do seem to be head and shoulders above the other manufacturers. Regards, Charlie
Careful now, that's verging on thinking about economics not just saying it's overpriced... that's not the youtube way of talking about model railway pricing😅
In 1979 the average weekly salary in the UK was about £70.
I have a reamer which with just a few turns allowed me to fit Hornby or Bachmann coach wheels to my Lima Siphon G (I did the same to my Lima Horse box, LMS 40' CCT and St Ivel 6 wheel milk tanker). I think the reamer came from Peters Spares.
Chocolate Siphon Gs were still in use at the end of 1960s and may still have been present in very early 70s.
I’m quite surprised Don.
The Lima axles are 24.5 mm long.
The standard axles are 26 mm long.
That’s a lot of material to remove.
Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Its only 0.75 mm each side. With the reamer it was only a few turns then test with the wheels then repeat the process till it was right.
Just to add that hornby made a siphon G with the original airfix tooling. There is also a siphon H in the range.
Thanks GS, I haven’t tracked those down.
Regards Charlie
Great video and nice to see a slightly extended running session to see the progress on the layout, I have a few accurascale wagons that have impressed me but sadly these won’t be one of them, slightly out of era and region for me (30s Northumberland isn’t the place for Siphons)
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Luke, even though it’s not quite your bag. Regards, Charlie
Blimey, I thought. Charlie is really going to ahem, milk this one! A half hour production on a seemingly mundane wagon, is going to be a bit slow. How wrong can one be? Combining the model history with the prototype (sorry, I know you don't like that word), gave rise to yet another excellent episode. Fascinating. Thank you Charlie and my best wishes. Nige
Thanks Nige, I'm so pleased that you found this one interesting.
It's hard to know how it will be received by the hobbyist, trying to make it more than a normal review.
Regards Charlie
Hello Charlie, Siphons! The last Siphon Gs were produced after the widespread introduction of milk tankers so most would never have carried churns, I have read that they were ordered as parcels and perishables vans. The very similar insulated Siphon J was built for churn traffic without ventilation and gangways, it is possible to convert the old Lima models by making styrene overlays. The Lima bogies are incorrect (BR mk1) and are best replaced by Airfix 9' Siphon/Centenary or in some cases 7' B set bogies, a bit of cut and shut required. Inside frame Siphon G and H also ran on other GWR bogies often previously enjoyed by withdrawn passenger stock, The HMRS siphon book makes your brain hurt when trying to get the correct combination as the GWR kept changing them around! Elephants were carried in Pythons (GWR code for 4 wheel CCT or Monster bogie scenery vans which came in inside and outside frame form, they look like upmarket Siphon H with windows and basic Kits have been available for some years, these vans were also used for parcels and motor vehicle traffic. Older Siphons are available (ebay etc.) for the 4 wheel Siphon C and short bogie F used for Sausage traffic from Calne and the old slatted 6 wheel "low" siphons still used in churn traffic during WW2. Rabbits, leather gloves, flowers, strawberries and a lot of "stuff ?" in hampers, most ran regular routes with carriage working numbers often changing trains on route and usually at the front to allow the train engine to detach to pick them up. Two examples of operation; An up train off the Cotswold line stopped at Oxford to pick up 3 Siphons, one ex Banbury, one ex Fairford (possibly a J) and one Oxford parcels for Reading. The empty Harris sausage siphons arrived at Calne in a mixed train early morning and left loaded individually or in groups behind the branch Autotrain or DRC to Chippenham where the started there main line adventures to far flung regions like connecting to the LNER at Banbury. Now my Brain hurts!
Thanks William, for such a staggering amount of detail. However, as you suspect, my brain now hurts too. Regards, Charlie
Charlie: Yet another interesting video that has nothing to do with rail operations in North America. We have a variety of box cars and refers. However the typically are not mixed in with passenger trains. (Freight is freight and passenger service is passenger service (completely separate.). I will close with a factoid! Kadee and Micro Trains couplers are related (brothers actually). The brother who took Kadee (is exclusively HO (OO as you would say), while the other brother who owns Micro Trains (is exclusively N scale.). I don’t know the story about why they split (I am sure there is one) just don’t know it. It really was an entertaining video.
Thanks Ken, great info and I’m so pleased you enjoyed the video. Regards, Charlie