ALL MOTOR Fox Body Made HOW MUCH Power?
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Here's a recap of my 1993 Mustang's 331 stroker build. We finished the engine build in August of 2015 and have cruised it, raced it, and sent it without problems since then. We recently took the engine out to prepare for a new, better, bigger build with a little bit of help from a sponsor...which I will get into in another video. For now, here's a brief overview of how much the 331 stroker build was. #331Stroker #331FoxBody #331Mustang
This is all past footage, so video was initially just taken for our viewing pleasure. Future recordings will focus more on audience viewing pleasure.
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I will never forget the fast Ford mag edition budget 500hp 331 terror and I've been in love with 331 ever since
I feel your Pain ....I had a very similar combo in a full bodied 88LX hatch..331...Victor head...full interior ..with A/C intact... Spare and Jack in the back....Went 11.07 twice...with a 1.60 60ft time....124mph....Thats through the tailpipes....Just Couldn't break into the 10s....It was KILLING me...Lol
Cracked My Mexican block down the center...trying to get it in....Keep Plugging away ..Got a New Boss 302 block in the works....👍
Finally we get to see real dyno numbers to the wheels with a 331ci. Everyone always post standard engine dyno numbers. 500+ hp but in the real world are like low 400s.
Sorry my Last Comment was SO LONG !!! Sometimes i get a Little Carried Away. It's just when i see a Beautiful Fox Body, and it still has a FORD under the hood, i can't Stop Myself. Very Nice Build.
Not a problem, thanks for the compliment!
Beautiful car and setup
Thank you!
My 347. Comp cam 565/574 AFR 185 trick flow intake. 80mm bell intake. 465 to the wheels
I have known Lee Blankenship for many years. Great guy, great tuner! Nice Fox
Yeah Lee's awesome. And thanks!
I really like those royal blue sparkplug wires. Sharp.
Thanks! They're Taylor 409 wires if you're interested.
Build sheet?
What gears in the back
4.10
Amazing how the lil 5.0 can b that fast
jay fkncool if it’s been stroked as a 331 than technically it’s a little 5.4
@@totallyeinstein5151 he meant 5.0
Liter based engine
NA 400-550hp on 331
With what set up?
Nice work
This set up.is alot like my car 💪👍🔥🇺🇸🚘
Mickey Thompson full slick 10x26 15S.. S for stiff sidewall. 10.90s
Gangsta GT
I built a 332ci for street and mine made 360rwhp & 380 rwtq, were those dyno numbers shown or rear wheel or adjusted? Adjusted using 15% loss mine was @ 423HP & 447 lb ft. Mine was a mild street motor small 224/221 duration cam and 1 5/8” shorties both holding it back but what a blast on the street, too much torque I should have speced cam for more HP than to because I was constantly spinning my tires. Yours sounds solid great job!
Thank you! It was at the rear wheels only adjusted for the weather. And it was like a 75 degree day, so not much adjustment there anyway. The 1/4 mile numbers/trap speed back up the numbers to the wheels as well.
@@SavageProductionsCars those are great numbers at the wheels, i wish those 11R heads were available when I built mine years ago
@@msk3905 thank you. I truly believe they made all the difference. I'm excited for my new 363 build, though. I'm wanting to make 700 at the wheels N/A. We'll see!
363 NA pump gas, shift at 7k goes 10.20s all day at 3250 with me. Third season on motor. Just sayin....
@@persico9017 did you ever Dyno your 363 build to see what kind of numbers it's putting out? I'm currently building a 363 as well (started as a 9.5" deck early 70's 351W block bored .060 over) with Keith Black flat top pistons (6.5cc valve reliefs), AFR 185cc Renegade heads with 58cc chambers (should give a static compression ratio of about 11:1), a big duration hydraulic flat tappet camshaft (297/305 advertised duration, .512/.528 lift, 109 LSA), Edlebrock performer rpm air gap dual plane intake (lightly ported and port matched to the heads), and a Holley 750 carb. It'll be going in a '71 Ford Maverick that weighs about 2,800 pounds, with a 3 Speed Toploader manual transmission and a Ford 9" rear end. Along with only running an alternator and water pump for engine accessories (no AC, no Power Steering, electric fans, electric fuel pump), and the low 6% to 10% drivetrain losses this setup should be capabilities of, I'm expecting somewhere in the neighborhood of 420 to 440 HP at the wheels. Edit: Oh I'm at 4,500 foot elevation as well.
Subscribed, looking forward to more great videos
funny have 427 stroker, wish I had gone with 331...
Why?
@@nickhammond9525the power to weight ratio is not what I like, it is massive torque like an old 442 or similar...not "Mustangy"? at all...a great windy small block I can rev to 7000 would be more of what I prefer and would build if I had it to do over.
It's too bad the newer stuff can't be retrofitted, it would be better in the big heavy new car
As much as im a ford hater i have a 7 up 5 speed i got for free and i like the 302 sound because it sounds like a corvette lol
What compression are you running and what head if you dont mind me asking. Whoever put it together built a good set up.
10.8:1 compression with a TrickFlow 11R 190 head. I linked a full build sheet video in the description. We put it together ourselves.
Anybody know what those rear wheels are called or who makes them?
They're Centerline Convo Pro wheels. Front and back are the same, just different sizes.
@@SavageProductionsCars thanks. They look great
@@blaisepence6607 thank you!
I just can't get over the love for the old 5.0 with how weak the blocks are
The lifter valleys are comparable to glass, but something about it is just so pure. Many people who make big power on the stock blocks fill the cooling passages with concrete, but most others either go aftermarket or LS/Coyote...but I can't be asked to put an LS in a Ford. Lol
Ford performance and dart make blocks that can handle as much as you want
@@brettfrimmer6567 Exactly, which is why we're currently building a Dart 363 for this car!
A lot of compression? Huge monster not street friendly cam?
Only 10.8:1, and no, it was very street friendly. Cam part# 20350712 if you wanna see the specs.
What did it make at crank
We didn't engine dyno it, so we don't know. Probably 525.
Build sheet!!! Please!
I may have been working on that today 😉
I need that also. My block & heads are in the shop getting ready for my 331 stroker kit now. Any information would be greatly appreciated 🙏.
I have:
#30 injectors
170cc Edelbrock Performer RPM II heads & Upper/Lower intake
1.6 rockers
Mellings High Flow Oil pump
And I'm not sure what cam yet🤷♂️. Any help would be nice, this is my first build on my own and would love to get those results you recieved.
Just subscribed to your channel ,Also impressed with your build. Have a stock k clean 91 block would like to do a similar 331 build. Would appreciate any info (build) sheet to reach that goal. I'm big Ford push rod N/A ,stick fan. Thanks.
Did you ever think about putting an Automatic Transmission in it ?
I Had my 86 Fox Body for Little Over 24 Years, Had a Few Different Engine Combos in it, Now it's a 521 Stroked BBF. Ran a 351 Windsor, 351 Cleveland, And NOW it's a Big Block, i Always Loved a High Winding Small Block, Especially the Cleveland, would Turn 7500 RPM with that Combo. Car was originally a T-5 Transmission, blew up 3rd Gear 2 Times, Then Switched to a Tremec TKO Broke my Fair Share of Drivetrain Parts with it But It was a Solid Unit. Every so often would Miss a Gear once in a while. So a few years back i put a Built C-4 in it and Absolutely Love it. At first i thought the Automatic would be Boring, BUT when you Shift it into 2nd then into High Gear and it Totally Barks the Tires Big Time. I won't get rid of it for Nothing. Except might have to go the Powerglide Route. I'm going Low to Mid Nines, on a 275/60 Drag Radial. Very Basic Engine. 1000 cfm 4150 Holley by Pro-Systems, Out of the Box Trickflow 429-460 Street/Strip Heads, Decent Solid Roller Cam, 8.8 With Moser Spool and 33 Spline Axles and 3.90 Gears. And a Built C-4 by Pro Formance Transmissions, Manual Valve Body, Extra Clutches, Hardened Inputs Shaft, NO Trans Brake. 8" Converter Originally Built by Dynamic Converters. Was Totally Redone by Lenny at Ultimate Converter Concepts when i switched to the Big Block, it's about 4200 rpm Stall Speed.
To make a Long Story Short, I'm just Totally Impressed with the Automatic Transmission. My Brother is Running a C-6 Built by Dynamic Racing Transmissions in his 85 Fox Body with a 351 Cleveland. Basically same Transmission Work done to it, Reverse Manual Valve Body, NO Trans Brake. My C-4 Shifts Way Harder than his C-6. Both Transmissions were Done by Different People so I'm sure that makes a difference to how ever they Modify the Valve Body. His C-6 is a Huge Monster compared to my Little C-4, I know the C-4 likes Higher RPM,s compared to the Heavier Internals of the C-6.
When i Bought my Transmission they said it be Good to Around 850 H.P. i can probably bump that Up to 1000 H.P. With some Upgraded Planetary. But My Car would be More Consistent with a Powerglide, especially since I'm on a 275/60 Radial. Also Some Built Powerglides can Handle Some Serious Power, More than a C-4 Can Ever Handle.
So what I'm getting at is that if you ever Decide to Switch to an Automatic, i Don't Think you would be Disappointed. I Sure Wasn't.
Also all my Engine Combos are Naturally Aspirated through a Carburetor. Tried Nitrous back when it had the Fuel Injected 5.0 it really didn't work out for me. I'm a Big Fan of Large Single Turbos, one Day my Big Block will have a Single 98-106mm Garrett on it. When i Hit the Lotto.
My dad wants me to put a built automatic in it, but I want it to be a stick car for the next few builds. My goal is to be competitive in the stick shift world with the next few builds. If I go auto, the car will be running low 7s in the 1/4. No in between. Lol
Yeah this mustang would definitely be in the high 10’s with an automatic. I’m running 10’s with my 351-W powered 86 mustang with a mechanical flat tappet cam, flat top forged pistons, procomp heads that I reworked. A fully built C4 automatic. All Team Z suspension, front and back, but I’m also foot breaking the car.
I'd like to have 331 stroker built by you guys I
Shoot us a message on Facebook or call us! Our contact info is in the description!
I don't have Facebook, but I'll give you guys a call. I'm from a little north of Dayton, Ohio and I think your shop is just over an hour away into Kentucky.
@@TrentonLeeEntertainment Sounds good! You're correct, we're right near CVG airport.
Great car man love it! I'm building my '90 fox what heads do you recommend? Or should i just port the E7's add double springs and all that
Depends on your setup. I recommend TrickFlow 11R 170s for a mild build and the 190s for a more hearty build. You can order anything you'd like through our shop, Savage Performance. We're a TrickFlow dealer, and can give you a build sheet for whatever your goals are. Our number is 8598170764
@@SavageProductionsCars i just stroked it to a 331 but still wondering what hci to run i just want a nice street setup and I'll check out your shop any link for online?
Never waste the money on the E7’s . For all the cash spent you could get some nice flowing heads and see real hp
This. Not worth the money and labor people spend trying to get good E7 heads. They are door stops.
For a street 33ci I would run Trick Flow (TF) 11R 205 heads small chambers to get around 10:1 cr, TF Track Heat intake, 75mm TB & EGR, Comp XE274HR cam. Will need at least 3.73 rear gears but bet this will be a beast on street!
347 stroker 713 hp
All motor?
@@SavageProductionsCars the channel is call quarterhorse2. He had a na 331 fox running high 9s and now its getting a 347 and it made 713hp NA! Reving over 8000rpm
What size injectors were you using on this set up? I have a 331 now with similar mods and 10.4/10.6 compression. I have 30’s now and it still seems to run a little lean.
36#
Do you remember what the compression ratio was?
It was 11.1:1
@@SavageProductionsCars wow ok thanks I have a 10:1 now an was a little scared of putting charger on it
@@captainsmate5770 well you wouldn't want to throw too much boost to it. Mine was N/A.
@@SavageProductionsCars would it be possible to have a parts list for this build? I just recently purchased a 87 and would absolutely love to be in the 11s, thank you.
@@efraingutierrez6375 look for the 1,000 subscriber special video on my channel. The video goes over the list along with some gotchas.
What heads were you running? Also, is that an Edelbrock Performer intake?
Trickflow 11R 190s and no, it's the Edelbrock Victor 5.0
I see it now. I had the same intake on my last Procharged 306. I'm about to build my '90 Vert. I haven't decided if I want to build the stock block or piss my wife off and get an Dart SHP. Either way I'm going with a 331. I think I'm going to use Edelbrock Victor Jr. heads. I saw a 331 build with a big cam and it made 495 HP on and engine dyno. I'm guessing yours made around the same if not a little more.
@@PatriotPlus179 yeah I wouldn't know. I never engine dynoed it.
What exhaust were you running ? Sounds amazing
It's full 3" exhaust with Mac 1 7/8 longtubes, Mac ProChamber, connector pipes, Flowmaster 40 series mufflers, and turndowns.
Some folks don't get it man, but in my opinion there's no better muffler in the entire world than a good old fashioned Flowmaster 40 series nothing comes close but again it's only my opinion.
I have flowmaster 40 series on my fox also it’s the sound that sold me a long time ago. Can’t beat it. Your car is wicked man great power and 11.2 in the 1/4 is moving💪🏻
Why did you sell this artwork!? Would drive it everyday
I didn't sell the car! I just sold the engine! Going bigger and badder.
Savage Productions I can hear 1000HP+ in the distance
@@champking20 only if we get super lucky and pay off the owner of the dyno! Lol but it might be 1,000 to the flywheel with nitrous.
What’s the build sheet on this motor.
Lots of people have interest in this! I'll make a video on this soon!
Savage Productions nice. hope it’s soon.
What's all in the the motor
mw2zombieman a bunch of.parts.
Who built it if you don't mind me asking
Cropper Racing Engines assembled the short block. We built the rest.
Nice 331 my 93 fox supposedly is about 448 hp i have yet to get it on a Dino tho will see 🔴🇺🇸🔧👍
What setup you running man? I just stroked mine to a 331 looking for best HCI setup been recommended 170 twisted wedge and 185s
@@aaronespinoza1630 to get these kinda numbers ya gotta be alot more aggressive than that on the heads. It has to be a fairly aggressive setup and it all needs to compliment one another to get max power. That is the difference between builds that make alot and others that dont make as much mismatched parts and things in the setup as a whole that arent optimal. If you want max power you need some ported aftermarket heads with a custom ground cam and a port matched intake manifold one of the good intakes like holley systemax or edlebrock rpm 2. I would also run the most compression you can run on the fuel youre gonna be using. I wouldnt go any less than 10.5:1 or even 11:1 even if you're gonna be running 93. If youre running e or race fuel you can go higher than that. All these things matter. Long tube headers also not shortys you need them for max performance with shorties you are def sacrificing hp especially with a built stroker. I once had a 95 with a built 10.5:1 347 it had the basic trickflow hci. It had the stage 3 trickflow cam but twisted wedge out the box heads and a track heat intake. It had shorties and a stock intake elbow with dirty filter that was restricting it long tubes and an Anderson power pipe would have prob picked up 30-40 hp on that car combined. It could have made alot more power than it was making it was prob in the 325/380 range if i were guessing but it was being held back by alot of different stuff it was built by the previous owner and the combo wasnt 100% complimentary of each other. That can and will cost you power so do your homework and do it right the first time make sure everything is optimal that is how you make max power.
Must be blown or nitrous
Ugh my 383w only made 370whp and 400wtq...
Yours sounds more like a lower RPM build with that torque. We built this thing to rev to 7k. We made peak at 6,400 through 6,800.
Mine made peak hp at like 5,400-5,500
@@douglasbrodock573 yeah I figured. We speced out the intake and exhaust to be as free-flowing ad possible. We also made sure the heads flowed the numbers we wanted. When we got the cam in, we advanced it to bring the power curve up higher as well. You may be able to do this now if your setup can support it.
I have bbk shorties and they have a huge weld on the inside. Many people have said it's a waste of time to grind it down. Have you guys done any header porting and shown any improvements? Even if it's just 1 hp?
@@douglasbrodock573 I bought a set of Mac 1-3/4" long tubes as soon as I could man. I wasn't going to mess with shorties at all.
Stock computer?
With quarterhorse, but yes
That's a blueprint motor you could sell just the recipe on want parts to use
Hey, that's not a bad idea...lol
this is why fords are expensive to fix just share the knowledge everyone going. 5.0 coyote ol push rod is still bad ass but why build when coyote
@@allmotorhash Because Built not Bought! Sissy crate motor, and no skills mentality!
Fords are cheaper than Chevy when it comes to stroker clearancing , balancing rotating assembly, and cubic inches. Parts wise, when it comes to Ford, you get what you pay for. I worked in a machine shop for over 10 years building race motors.
One thing bout a ford it take less cubic inches to run with a Chevy
What transmission were you using?
G-Force built T-5
Where are you guys located?
Northern Kentucky area near Cincinnati, Ohio
Savage Productions sent you an email..
@@19jody72 which email did you send it to?
Savage Productions the one on your webpage
@@19jody72 I just changed it to dennis@savageperformanceky.com. Please send it to that. Thanks!
You still got this shortblock for sale?
I actually sold it last week
What cam were you running? I tried looking for the lunati voodoo kit but a few pop up
This was the can kit: 20350712LK
You have to make sure you have a big enough valve relief on your pistons, though. You can call us with your specs or HP goals, and we can tell you what you should order. And you can order it through us at or below retail. Info is in the description.
Must be a high compression or power adder?
10.8:1 compression, no power adder. Just all motor efficiency!
Awesome build man! What are the specs on that lunati cam?
What was the combo?
CP Racing XXX block 331 stroker flat T Pistons, one with F cam, Flotek 180c/58cc ported heads.. other TFS1 cam, edelbrock performerr heads 64 cc, GT turbular ported intake, 70mm TB, 24 lbs inj.. . the one with F cam and flotek heads is way stronger then the other with TFS1 cam and Performer heads!! using Megasquirt PnP2...
My combo was a Scat rotating assembly, Lunati Voodoo cam, Trickflow 11R 190 heads, Edlebrock Victor intake, Anderson 4" Pipe, Mac longtubes and Pro Chamber with Flowmaster 40 series mufflers
I just dropped off my '88 GT to get an Ed Curtis cam and 11R 190 heads and a Holley SysteMAX II intake installed on a stock shortblock. I'm not exactly sure what it'll make to the wheels, (AOD car). I'm going to have it dyno tuned and hopefully on the track before it closes for the season.
Do flotech heads need a complete rework as new or just good valvetrain & rocker arms?
@@ronaldjensen8614 Dont buy that garbage. The car in the video had TFS 11R heads.
So it is possible to tune 331’s??, tuner told me can’t tune em cause it’s old and to look into coyote swaps !
Of course you can tune 331s! You just have to find tuners that have the software to tune them. There's a ton of them out there.
@@SavageProductionsCars Interesting so you opt out with 36 lb's , what fuel system/pump did you use???
Ok, someone tell me what it made, because the video cuts out every time it gets about 5 seconds in and cuts to the car running. It's like the corporate gods over at gm and chrysler don't want the people to know what a little old Ford can do.....
wow Cool that much HP out of a 331 ..i have 2 331 but not that Power range..
This one's still for sale if you're interested! Lol
Savage Productions how much?
Savage Productions how much?
I'm selling the shortblock now for $1,800
@@SavageProductionsCars secret cam also?
I always wondered what elevator music would sound like in the 21st century. It's worse than ever before.
I've went faster on a 351w with stock block, and alum heads no cam...
Wow cool, good for you...
I call bullshit rite there.