Mercedes-AMG C63 S: Adds Turbo, Loses Soul? - XCAR
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2024
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The C 63 is back but crucially this time with a smaller turbo-charged engine. How will it affect the performance and more importantly the sound of this car? We find out.
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Mercedes engine sounds so much better than BMW speakers
I know, but that's not too bad
***** go check Drive's video on the car and chris harris shows a cross section of the new exhasut, it is not fake as you will soon learn.
***** what are you talking about , every exhaust system makes different sounds this uses what every other manufacturers use today . controlled by flaps diverting exhaust to another section within the exhaust to make it quieter sound or moves it to another section for a louder sound. please explain ? sound still comes through the exhaust system whats so fake about this? BMW use speakers for sound ! thats fake!!
where exactly does he say this , its a tuned exhaust system no different to any tuned exhaust system - do you have any idea how an exhaust system works, i cannot believe im having this conversation with you, so what your saying is every car with an exhaust has a fake sound!!! WTF So,,, lets see ,,if i remove the current exhaust system and replace it with an aftermarket, 1, it will not meet current regulation EPA testing and yes the sound will be deeper, louder and more wild - is this fake also ? all exhaust systems are bent and baffled to accommodate a certain sound. i will use the old M3 4litre V8 ,,sound was quiet from factory however an after market exhaust system made the car ,,4 litre V8 sound AWSAME - so the after market exhaust system made the car louder and deeper - i guess this is fake according you.
Tsalis C You are the man! That is what I wanted to tell this guy but I could not find the words since I am unaware of the actual technical knowhow, but all I know is that car makers spend a good amount of time audio engineering the sound of their cars. Toyota enlisted the help of Yamaha to craft the sound of the lexus LFA for instance.
That beginning was a bit... weird?
lol
Old c63 looks and sounds meaner
The fact its a 4.0 kind of takes away the thrill of the name '63' if that makes sense
Faisal Haque My memory says BMW was one of the first to ruin their own well planned naming scheme by calling their 4.4ltr v8 a '45' then following it up with calling their 4.8ltr v8 a '50'.
I'm sure Mercedes would use the same line of reasoning as BMW use to use. They claimed the number does not represent the actual displacement of the engine, but it represents that the engine makes as much power as a ________ displacement engine.
With the C63 they would say, It may only be 4.0ltrs displacement, however it makes equivalent power to a 6.3ltr engine.
Also, all the 80 year olds in my area driving around in amg's at 15mph below the speed limit who walked into the dealer and just went for the most expensive version they could get would be upset if this years badge number was lower than last years badge number, they'd feel like they bought the inferior car with a lower badge number.
I do however agree and miss the days when the badge on the rear told you what the engine actually was.
sais the guy with the fully hektic VL as his display picture ahhahahah
thesulo12 The translate feature doesn't seem to be able to translate your comment.
Could you please re-post what you said in a way that english readers might understand?
Thank you.
Bob Hope you wouldn't understand us aussies speak a lot of slang.. well most of us
R.I.P M3
Wait until you see the m3/m4 in person it's stunning
meow larry it looks great but we ain't talking about looks
Haha there are some funny guys on the internet. I like this car quite a bit, but there is no reason this could completely kill an M3 ;)
Tbh no car from either of the German three could completely kill one another
Kaisuke971 Agreed, this must be a great car to drive, but it's a very different car from the M3. Attracts different people, different driving styles.
Great video, I like the quick background on turbo-charging history and operation. Xcar always gives more than just a car review in its films. Even the autoshow videos delve in to the background of where the cars come from and why the new model is important. And as always the presentation and camera work is excellent!
One of the best car reviews I have ever seen. Thank you so much for the attention to detail and for knowing your audience.
Somebody watched 50 shades before putting together that intro. yikes.
lmao
I liked the old one more
Good for you.
Me too. First and foremost it looked so, so much better!
absolutely! it sounds million times better too.
bram smits Ok. You do get that your opinion is only interesting to other people the moment you state WHY you liked the old one more, right?
I don't.
Mr Xcar unlike quite a few folks expressed their dislike for you guys not following the "guide lines of youtube car review (drive in the road, go to track, do side ways slow motion, do lap time,end)", i am extremely pleased with this video and i absolute encourage and praise Xcarfilms UNIQUE and outside the box content, it is absolutely refreshing to see the same car being reviewed yet on a completely different platform of display, and that perhaps the biggest brilliance of your film crew and efforts, as for the car, i think ive found my new dream car (dream car as of the list i could afford it) for the longest ive been a BMW fan but that for quite some time is no more (the BMW's i fell love with been off the production line for decades now), so with the new GT and this new C63S to me are simply stunning piece of machines, can't help to to think Mercedes are on a row,pushing beautiful cars off their factory and completely dominating F1. Anyway yeah thanks for reading my comment and i look forward to see Xcarfilms personal, unique and outside the "standards" reviews to come, cheers!
Thy intro is fantastic! I can feel the hard work and attention to detail. Well done my sons.
Really good video! I like the history behind the turbo. Thanks!
Still wish it had that N/A sound. But there Is no denying it still sounds incredible. Great video, great job on the filming and editing as usual!
This is all great news for those of us who can't wait to get their hands on last generation's 6.2 C63 AMG :D
No one watches this video without thinking M3 in the back of their mind. ///M Power.
Lovely car. Seriously nice. Looks great and sounds pretty nice. One thing though, surely the engine won't last as long as the 6.2 did because it's under much more pressure. Going to smaller engines is not always good.
Fucking beautiful car! Gives M a real kick in the bollocks!
***** Except the M4 is a coupe and this is a saloon...and the M4 has 424 BHP where as this has 503 BHP..as well as a much more advanced rear differential, it also makes more torque and sounds better, without the need for lame virtual sound. I love BMW, but they can't compete here. The C63 is another level above it. Not sure therefore how the M4 could be 'way' better. Sure its an awesome car..but way better?
The comp pack car will be great no doubt about it, but it won't be able to compete in terms of power. Im not sure how this sounds like a diesel lol, man that must be an intense diesel. The M3/4 are great cars, but the one area they did fail was the noise. Truly lacking. No where near the awesomeness of something like a CSL E46. AMG have BMW well and truly beat when it comes to noise.
Dude its not exactly fake, it just uses valves within the exhaust system. Lots of vehicles do. It still makes a better noise than the M3/4 which every single reviewer has noted is extremely muted and characterless.
Josh Charlie I agree this sounds better but I wouldn't say the M4 is muted haha not in sport mode and at full chat. I think externally the M3/M4 looks like it's been built for the purpose it was made for. This car looks like the power side of it was an after thought and the main concern was the diesel line up for fleet cars etc. Maybe the coupe will look better. The interior however looks like a more interesting place to be than the M3/M4's although I wouldn't say it wasn't a pleasant place to be. The power side of things... it wouldn't suprise me in the slightest if the M4 could have this off round the track. The HP figure being pretty much just a bragging tool. I don't know if that's the case, I could be totally wrong. Either way at the moment I'm really not a fan of this cars external styling it just looks boring man, especially in comparison to the last one (which was understated in it's own right)
Why discussing that much...? both cars are good, but none actually Sound at all.. just synthetic scam sound for "driver"/onwner lmao
After watching this video, i started to be conscious on my breathing. Well, thanks for that XCAR. And, thanks for making such a good video.
AMG "We make your balls tingle."
I feel like the current F-series M3 has lost itself, whereas the C63 AMG seems to stay truer to it's Merc roots.
I say this as the owner of an E46.
man.. this is by far the most beautiful c-class yet.
***** yep, all the way actually :)
Great video! Bravo! Thumbs up!
i think its perfect that this videos talks about what turbos are about, because the last 6.2l engine was so good and people must know why turbos found their way into the new 63 without making the car less exciting
......"they are going to make your balls tingle." Absolutely PROFOUND! *Standing ovation*
I love the older version of this car
MB had my balls tingled back in 2005 with their S65 AMG
Fantastic video, loved it!
***** Awesome. I'll check it out indeed! And thanks for taking the time to answer! :)
Oh how funny it is to be back here and seeing the discontent with a turbo V8, after watching a review of the 4cyl hybrid C63...
very well done!
4.0tfsi in RS models sounds better than this.
gay tho
0richeym sorry I'm hetero.
said no one ever
Agreed
Does it have an intercooler or is it manifold->turbo->manifold in the shortest piping possible?
I disliked this video and I want to give my reason for it:
This video spends half of it's time explaining the general history of the turbo and the need for it due to new emission and fuel economy regulations issued by the EU. It was very interesting to listen to, however, the title of the video was the Mercedes-AMG C 63 S and I expected to see a caar review. Please don't mix up some generic "turbo documentary" into your car review videos. Thanks.
Well to be fair the title didn't have review or test written anywhere. Wrong expectations.
perhaps a chance to educate the public with why and what is a turbo and why is in the new engine and what to expect for is completely relevant to the content of what is a car review, perhaps what you should translate your thought could be: didn't met YOUR personal expectation there for it dont meant what you perhaps like, will suit the rest of us, which already we have a premium example that some prefer images, and others prefer images with information, now dont go all butthurt you had your chance to voice your thoughts i just had mine.
Elbowz But what about the wheel?
***** that's the beauty of it tho, there is so many reviews already for this car, you have Autocar, Chirs Harris, Motortrend, few youtubers already, so if you think, if they all follow the same exact concept how boring would that be?, i think here Xcar showed you a little more, instead of a slow motion drift scene they educated where turbo's came from, perhaps instead of showing how much options cost, they educated the public rather the turbo interact with the experience of driving this car or not and so on, they realized that the obvious stuff have already been done, so they went outside the box to give you, and me and everyone else some fresh to look at, and that my friend is brilliance, cheers!
Elbowz Yeah, I know. I've heard it before on every other car review on the planet where they had to go smaller displacement or fewer cylinders, but still wanted to maintain their previous model's total power output. Truely innovative, highly educating. Now I know exactly why I should buy a Mercedes-AMG C 63 S. Because turbos', you know... (-_ - ')
Seriously tho: I appreciate your effort, but I'm not entirely convinced by your arguments. I do not see myself as an Xcar fanboy, nor hater, and I have also subscribed to all other car-mags you have mentioned above (and more). Sure, it's not a given that my expectations are always met, but A) that's also true for any other car-mag and B) my expectations are hardly ever matched. I just wanted to get off my chest what I found, IMHO, as an unnecessary, too unspecific, but foremost overly long excourse. If it wasn't about the overall length and the fact that it took roughly 50% it the whole video... I probably wouldn't even have bothered to write a comment at all. And if they actually bring a turbo take that's more generic and covers all the new cars I would find that a great addition. Finding good & speaking titles for videos is not completely irrelevant and to the very least it's not entirely the viewer's fault, if any expectations are not met. Don't you agree?
You filmed that in the Algarve didn't you? I recognise the Conrad Hotel in QDL that you filmed at. I have been before and have a villa in QDL.
Cheesy and corny intro in my opinion
I'm glad to see Wil Wheaton working again.
6:42
can someone plz explain to me how can a V8 with 2 turbos, that each feeds only one side of the V, have "sequential turbos"???
that growl is so amazing
Beautiful car; but did anyone else happen to notice at 10:06 it looks like the air intake is separated from the clamp holding it to the manifold?
the last gen c63 is one of my all time favorite mercedes in almost all versions (especially the estate!) next to the 190E 2.5
i reserve judgement on this after i see a black series version but this doesnt do much for me.
the amg gt however might sway me from porsche
That spec makes this car one of the best looking cars on the road.
This was a great video; I don't know the presenter's name but he is superbly interesting to listen to.
Awesome review... all hail c63 amg...
like the new front, shoudlve kept the old rear lights, exhaust pipes, and sound and that would be the perfect c63 amg.
5:41 shots fired lmao, bmw fanboys in 1,2,3 .. :3
Because this are 500 hundred well behaved horses! You are a good motor journalist.. I salute you! Wow!
Great review, can you please review 2015 audi r8 v8?? .this is the last original design and last of v8. thank you
Nice review. But glad I got a 2015 C63 coupe with the non-turbo 6.2L V8 while I still was able to.
There is no match for a normally aspirated engine when it comes to throttle response and sound.
The reviews of the new 4L are positive, but note that no one is saying it sounds better than the 6.2L, or has better throttle response, because it simply doesn't.
It doesn't matter how much engineering has gone into the engine and exhaust note, the naturally aspirated engine was is and will FOREVER BE THE BEST SOUNDING ENGINE EVER. Heck if your really keen on buying something with this new car looks get rid of the engine (sell it on ebay or make a living room show piece) although I doubt the wife will let you do that and then throw in a 6.3 litre into the car. New looks good ol sound and engine.
It looks less aggressive but it looks more refined, its a perfect car.
Not liking this new roundish end on MB's. Preferred the older sharper, boxier ones. Eh.
Never liked the C-Class' shape, but in blue? Wow! Just wow!
I though this was gonna be a car review not a turbo lesson? cmon XCAR
The issue isn't actually fuel consumption, but emissions. The EU has set emissions targets - something like 95g/km in 2020 for each carmakers' range, with huge penalties if they don't comply.
The new mercs look like they've come from Japan or Korea. What were the designers thinking?
Two things: Design convergence - all cars are generally starting to look similar. Secondly, I think the Japanese/Koreans have started copying them aggressively. Look at the new Kias and Hondas. It's tough to change your design language and maintain brand identity. It'll be a challenge for Mercedes. I guess a third thing would be Mercedes' attempt at capturing younger buyers. They're going for aggressive styling because they are associated with being an old man's car.
At 10:46 it almost sounds like a quite V8 Pagani Huayra (yes im aware that mercedes provide the engines the pagani use)
His American humour doesn't match the finesse of English/Australian humour which this video should have let alone this channel.
great review, but i dont think fuel economy regulations is a problem for performance cars, autonomous cars are the real threat to fun fast cars and auto enthusiast.
"threat"? LOL, plz.
Honestly, autonomous cars are what we desperately need, at least in the US. So many drivers are horrible, and taking the ones that don't care out of the equation would benefit everyone.
Howard B What makes you think you will be allowed to use manual cars when automated cars are the norm?
Gavin756 unless you live in a communist dictatorship or something, you'll be able to drive what you want/can pay for. Autonomous cars will keep the stupid people from ruining it for us.
Gavin756 if they ever tell us that we can only drive autonomous cars, there would literally be a revolution.
isnt the old c63, 6.3 litres?? like the badge on the side? like name c sixty three!?
I just want to see the coupe version of this awesome car!
Will probably look like the s class coupé
I was hoping for a bit mote visual aggression. I don't think it looks special enough. Like with the previous C-Class, once the more inferior models have donned their option AMG sports kit then this new C63 will be virtually indistinguishable from your local mini cab. Love the interior though and 500+ bhp that is truly crazy!
What is this "boost"? How does it work?
I like bad Boostards :D
saw this version (not and amg but i think an amg pack) and the older model side by side and you never realize how outdated the 6.3L version looks. when i saw the new design i did not like it, but seeing it person it is a beautiful car
These internal turbo engines sound very impressive.
First things first, breathing is NOT the only thing that we cannot stop doing to sustain our own lives.
Hie guys hope you doing well and great .plis we in African we support for your time to show up
It's a shame that the Mercedes F1 Turbo cars don't sound as nice as their production cars because that's part of the purpose of going to turbocharging isn't it - to maintain that naturally aspirated sound without losing power?
6:00 For the car. First 6 minutes on the history of the turbo.
Well just from this video it definitely sounded softer than the previous NA model.
You confuse lag with boost threshold. Lag is the delay between change in throttle and change in engine power output - boost threshold is what you describe here. I don't know why so many motoring journalists get this wrong, it's really surprising.
Looks like a true Q car. Well done boys and good work amg. Amg is all about the sound and they have done what they set out to do.
the sound is VERY weak
The turbo between the V = copy-paste ?
7:06 i think he came .... and why does that old 911 only have one side mirror?
Still crazy car
Yes , its nice , but I'm gonna miss the old friend C63 AMG W204 .
It was nicer on look , has a great performance too , I liked it natural aspirated engine , had a really monster 6208 cc V8 with no Turbo or Supercharger , as I know engines that doesn't have boost can live longer , as I know large pistons live longer , as I know the 6208cc V8 has 776 cc per cylinder and this sounds nice to me .
I haven't seen a w205 model in a 2 door coupe yet .
I haven't seen a Black Series version yet .
That's why I gonna miss W204 .
Talking turbo history & excluding Saab is criminal.
What a great car. I hope I get to drive one some day.
ok, the beginning of this video is just creepy and weird.
Alex AJ hahaha
'not fake sound like other manufacturers do' said it all...
I've watched the beginning of the video, and now I like men.
Great video! although I do not believe the M178 and M177 is the exactly same (AMG GT s and C63S engines) as one is dry sump lubricated one is not.
Then again given that they are so similar I do not understand why anyone will go for the GTS if the C63S offers 90% of the car and half the price...
Desmond Cheung the AMG GT also has the dual clutch transmission, while the C63 has the regular automatic. People who like 2 doors usually hate 4 doors, and people who need 4 doors arent looking at a coupe in the first place. They are almost the same machine, youre right, but with different missions.
Stuck on the dashboard like an afterthought, that is what evert reviewer says, I strongly disagree, I got to touch one of these displays and they feel well made and of high quality,
who else saw the borg warner label on the turbos ;)
This looks beautiful. And fast. Ok!
Turbo today,n/a tomorrow again,it's all a sales cycle
Looks like the s series. Loving the design of the new c 63s
stock wheels are on point!
Plus i like the british host with the glasses hes good.
+1 @“they’re gonna make your balls tingle” *insert shit eating grin*
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
"What? the M3/M4 doesn't have a V8 anymore? NO way./// I had no idea".. said nobody
Sorry but it doesn't sound as good as the old one,New BMW M3 sounds better to my ear,not as loud as the new C63 but it has some original sound and I'm not talking about the speaker BS,Look at it this way,BMW M3 feels proud of the turbos this doesn't,its like a kid forced to play football but he is more interested in basketball.What I want to see is the kid playing basketball ie 4.0L Supercharged V8
"They are going to make your balls tingle", I wish I could drive this car to see if that is true.
"previous generation had 6.2 liters and this one 4.0 with twin turbo" and this is why previous is much better
I think you're wrong about it being a sequential turbo system.
Just a tiny bit of constructive criticism (hopefully).
The audience watching these videos are fairly clued up on cars, some of the recent stuff from you guys is getting a bit patronising, or regurgitating information we all know already as it was said by another program already.
Keep up the vids, no more heavy breathing ;-)
Forgot to mention in your short history of turbocharging...Saab. Turbos for the masses to increase power of a small engine, started on the 99. Otherwise, love the C63. BMW is slowly dying...digging their own grave too, selling out chasing sales volume. The Metallica of the automotive world.
So we are we are gonna talk about the history of the turbo, without mentioning Saab?
The exhaust isnt real…
No but atleast the sound is :)
Jonas Nielsen
Its synthetic
Exactly ^^^
+Ya momm The sound is not synthetic, or at least not in the Australian market on the c63s i spent time with today. There is not much interior exhaust noise but you can hear the exhaust rumbling outside, especially with the flaps open. Unless there are subwoofers out the back of the car that i am unaware are making all the growling then no the sound is not synthetic. BMW uses synthetic noise and from experience i can day it is highly noticeable.
I own one of these and they're real exhaust notes. Beast!
The new C63 is great, now all Mercedes needs to do is make a C63 Wagon and bring it to North America
There is still lag compared to the 6.2L, make no mistake. Nor does it sound as good.
I thought I was on the weird side of RUclips for a second
turbos are the wave of the future