Edit 7/24/24: Hello everyone coming from Tommy's video! Unironically, Tommy tearing up a little bit from the ending was genuinely heartwarming and will definitely boost my ego for a few days lol. Welp, here it is, my DreamSMP video that took me down an emotional rollercoaster these past 4 months. This video is a couple months overdue and there's probably a whole bunch of editing errors that I haven't caught, but this video has driven me up the wall for far too long. Even if this video does horribly, I'm proud of what I made and I'm going to do my best to not let numbers dictate my emotions. I think I have a more solid grasp on what I want my identity to be and this video is a huge stepping stone for the future. If you enjoyed this video, make sure to like, subscribe, and comment below what you thought of the video!
bro please remember me when you get GIANT. This was an amazing video and I had genuine goosebumps when you referenced Wilbur's speech at the end of the video. This video perfectly balances comedy and seriousness, I honestly thought you had like 3 mil when I started this. Nice job!
She along with the other artists in this community made me interested in the plot of this story. I wouldn't have stayed for a long time if it weren't for them.
Given that Sad-ist’s views have dropped substantially since the SMP days.With a spike on the Technoblade video I’d say it was more of a symbiosis situation.
12:00 Slight correction, Wilbur mentioned that he retired from writing the narrative of everyone in the smp I think around the time of the revival book arc, which is why the story started decentralising, so it isn’t entirely the fault of his writing. Creators like Wilbur and Tubbo have also mentioned that the plot progression and scheduling was severely mismanaged where they wouldn’t even know some important lore events are happening/have happened, and that obviously caused the main plot to fall apart really quickly. Furthermore, creators themselves were starting to lose interest in/invested less time for the smp due to moving on to bigger things or due to the abysmally toxic subsection of the fandom cancelling and threatening them (death threats, harassment, bullying) for inane reasons such Quackity (latino) being cancelled for speaking Spanish, Eret being decimated for being a traitor to L’manburg, Tommy (a child then) being harassed on many occasions and needing to seek therapy just to name a few.
At the end of the day, the biggest problem with the dsmp was the lack of communication and cooperation. Everyone ended up doing their own thing, which caused a lack of the fun interactions between streamers we had before and it made the story and the lore more nonsensical and full of plotholes. Although I still think that some of the lore that was made after Tommy's disc finale is really good and even some of the most interesting lore on the server. The prison arc, the syndicate lore, Las Nevadas, Ranboo's enderwalk lore, the eggpire, tales from the smp, Wilbur's revival, they were all pretty good story arcs with a lot of potential, they just felt completely disconnected from each other and also lacked that lighthearted and fun atmosphere the early lore had, being all too serious, which made it less fun to watch after a while. Also, the fact that the streamers themselves felt obligated to do serious lore instead of just have fun and casually hang out on the server after a while made it less enjoyable both for them and for the audience and it just felt like they were dragging out the plot. Those high expectations the fandom set for the story kinda ruined the previously mostly improved roleplay, setting the bar higher and higher, like you said.
@@Coristic121 He actually knew portuguese pretty well and it's only made sadder when you realize one of qsmp's brazilian admins learned english specifically to watch techno's content, it would've been so sweet to see them interact
I get really sad yet oddly happy thinking about how he would've totally been invited to qsmp because quackity loved techno sm): and how he would've loved the concepts, the many jokes he would've made about making breakfast the eggs but would've taken care of it I just really miss him
i think it's kind of poetic how to me dream smp's main theme was fall from grace and in the end it did the same despite everyone's best efforts. nothing can last forever, things change, kingdoms fall and all that jazz.
@@soumyadiptasensharma2055 Hermitcraft has no competitions at this point. That SMP endured a decade-long highs and lows and are still standing strong among the most popular SMPs in RUclips.
I liked the lore and watching Techno's POV who was my favorite youtuber of all time. Dream's and Tommy's fight for the discs on that mountain but it felt weirdly acted which was completely fine for a bunch of streamers but as time went on the streams began to get more and more scripted. It became less about hitting story points and became more and more scripted down to the littlest word. It was crazy, the egg lore was completely awful and it truly shown how the DSMP turned into a shell of what it once had. If you look at awesamdude's lore you can see that they started scripting everything and even stopped playing normally and got other people to mimic their movements from a 3rd person perspective. Even Techno's lore wasn't as natural as it used to be, Phil's lore suffered a bit as well. I liked when the server didn't know what was gonna happen next. Their bewildered expressions were the best to look back on, capturing the horrors of Wilbur blowing up L'manburg perfectly. As the server members tried to control the way their story moved after leaving too many plot holes to fill in from the constant lore breaks and direction changes. They managed to slowly tear the server apart and drive people away, Techno was the only person I watched on the lore and overtime I stopped checking in on the server because I had no care about the story anymore.
sorry if i'm misinterpreting, but as a correction the streamers did actually know that wilbur was going to blow up lmanberg! in tommy's tribute to dsmp video, he shows wilburs discord message b4 the stream which outlines every single plot point of the nov 16 stream, including the detonation of lmanberg. but the more scripting as it went on is confirmed by tommy saying so + the then shown 3 page long google doc detailing the fight at the community house stream.
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seeing the entire crew fall apart due to drama was pretty sad
@@tr-st_me_bro They don't interact online no. But they might still be good friends. Will and Niki are still great friends, despite not having interacted publicly more than twice in two to three years.
as the minority of someone who disliked the more famous tommy and dream plotline while loving badboyhalo's egglore, a lot of what you said are things ive echoed about in my own praises and disagreements with how rp and storytelling were handled after the Manberg arc. its nice to see really. since you talked a lot about tommy and dream, i also want to talk about egglore because it really gets thrown to the side way more that it deserves. i love egglore. i loved it because it was different, especially during that time when the main l'manburg plot was just rehashed stuff- plot for plot- what wilbur did. (ei ostracized community, being banished by a president, execution, over the top destruction of l'manburg) apparently, i was one of the few able to suspend my disbelief for two seconds and enjoy the absurdity of a pile of minecraft blocks as a central antagonist. really brought me back to those old minecraft roleplay series' i grew up on. it got a lot of unnecessary criticism for 'suddenly being relevant and in your face' when there was so much subtle buildup and blink-and-you-miss-it moments people never got to see. mainly because smaller creators were driving the boat. like bad didnt just... suddenly decide to take over the server after falling into the eggs control. that was his main goal since formation of the freaking badlands. his chaotic nature was always there. its just that his family friendly-ness was an easy target for bigger streamers that it became what the fandom as a whole reduced him to. at the same time, the direction of the 'bigger' moments of egglore was... really awkward to say the least (ei banquet and finale stream). of course, the big streams is all what people saw unfortunately. just like you said, creators focusing on 'bigger' streams is exactly where it was weakest. it was good when it was subtle, a few moments here and there. it thrived when it wasnt in your face, when you had to make inferences on behaviors and connect stuff yourself. i will forever hold bad not showing the scene of him getting fully corrupted into his eggpire skin as one of the best writing decisions made during dsmp. people with basic media literacy dont need stuff spelled out for them to understand the gravity of what must've happened. it was good usage of 'dont show dont tell'. left it up to imagination, but enough building blocks to infer. a decision, i feel like would've been ruined because hes pg had he chosen to show it. bad's a good writer when hes focused on slow build-ups with big emotional payouts. which, thankfully, is all that he's doing on qsmp nowadays. anyways, im gonna... politely disagree with having too many plotlines as being a mistake. dsmp had a lot more creators other than tommy and co that can chose to do their own thing if they wanted to. its unfair to them to be sidelined to the Supporting Character to whatever tommy or dream was cooking up. remembering correctly, it was a very inaccessible to creators who wanted to rp a more 'morally incorrect' character. decided you didn't like c!tommy? receive hate from the toxic stan mob. decided to like c!tommy? your character will now be reduced to whatever 'family position' they decide you fit in. god forbid you try to break out of that. a lot of puffy lore was based on that iirc the entirety of jackmanifold lore was that too! i dont think it was selfish of them to branch off when it made total sense characterwise for them to do so. i believe its unreasonable to point fingers at smaller creators for focusing on their own characters as if thats the problem. in reality, it was the apparent existence that there was a 'main plot' to begin with that was the final nail that caused the splinter. lets disconnect 'main' from 'popular' please. it was especially important for people like me who were adults and couldn't sit through a tommy stream without wanting to pull their hair out. i got into dsmp more BECAUSE there were plotlines that were more my style. i believe lore and storytelling-focused smps should be treated like a 'choose your own adventure' that allows people creative freedom to do what they want. you follow what you care about. you watch what you want. if you dont care about egglore, dont feel pressured to watch egglore stuff. if you dont care about tommy's disk stuff, dont need to watch that either. i know i didnt. watching dsmp is watching dsmp. views are views. engagement is engagement. if you need a central plot to follow, that honestly feels like a personal thing born from fomo. i dont see it as a problem that caused its downfall. its not like marvel where studios want you to watch a whole bunch of stuff because they want money. its not a tv series or a movie and it shouldnt be. its just a whole bunch of amateur storywriters and roleplayers having fun and playing minecraft with no focus on a collaborative overarching narrative. yes, i agree there was a big issue in the INTEGRATION of plotlines. i remember being frustrated at the ownership retcon of one of tommy's disks just so the final conflict could happen. skeppy had the disk, and he still had the disk when he got corrupted. hell, even during regular non rp streams skeppy had AFTER the finale THE DISK WAS STILL IN HIS INVENTORY. that right there was an easy plotpoint they could've used so dream could get the disk back and set up for the finale and let egglore be involved in the disk plot also. but hey, what did they decide to do? retcon it so ranboo had the disk. it never made sense. and people just.. accepted it. also, something you criticized that i liked was the differentiation between characters and content creators. if anything, i think its a REALLY good thing that needed to happen when you also factor the fandom into it. a lot of hate, even in qsmp, stems from people not being able to differentiate between rp and reality. you can't have your cake and eat it unless youre able to swallow down the massive amount of death threats. i wasn't involved (still not) in the fandom because twitter stans are the bane of everyone's existence and i was a filthy egglore lover. i understand it as something the creators had to do to protect themselves. people are gonna complain about continuity if dream during whatever was going on in the exile arc suddenly started making funny bits with tommy without it. sure, people who watched it for the content creators themselves mightve not liked it, but it was necessary, and arguably, the logical conclusion from wilbur's lmanburg storylines. anyways, rant over. honestly good shit mate. good job
@@coler7952egglore wasnt that bad, maybe im biased since the first minecraft youtubers i watched and loved in dream smp are bad and skeppy but the lore in this story arc isnt terrible. i agree with this comment though with the bad integration and execution of the dream smp with its different side stories
While I agree with your take on the "forcing characters into their own supporting cast" take, I'm gonna be honest, Jack's lore didn't tie to Tommy, it was kind of a kick starter but afterwards he kinda did his own thing.
I know you wrote this a while back so don't know if you'll see it. My issue with eghlore was that even at its peak there where like 4 5 people corrupted so it never felt like a threat to the server. Honestly i think a general issue with the lore was that nobody wanted to be the bad guy so a lot of the events where 1 sided. Last thing i wish the fights weren't scripted because Honestly, the best war was the first one, and it all went downhill after that.
This is why I love Hermitcraft so much. They have the perfect blend of everything that makes Minecraft SMP content so enjoyable. There are builders, experts in redstone, funny moments between friends, and even some cool storylines.
@truckerdave8465 Grian is to hermathcraft as Techno is to the Dream server. Many major events of each respective server have some involvement of the two.
ikr!! funny story i used to be a huge fan of dsmp and hermitcraft in 2020-2021 and eventually stopped watching them, then a few months ago i was reminded of hermitcraft again. i watched a few grian videos because i missed him and the other hermits and before i even knew it i became completely obsessed again LOLLL but im so glad to be back🙏
You just summed up perfectly what I've been trying to say to people. I always say something along the lines of "It had such great potential, but it just started going downhill after the button room." But it kinda felt flat because I really did enjoy certain other aspects of the later lore, especially the exile arc when Tommy teamed up with Techno. This video made me realize that my original way of explaining was only just breaching the surface of what I truly felt on the topic, and that this explanation is much more thorough and true to what I was trying to say. Thank you. The symphony is forever unfinished. And I think that's the way it is meant to be.
I like the fact that the dream smp has inspired millions of fans to make their own server. there are so many fan servers, with amazing storylines, which will never see the internet because the story is fully kept private in a solid friend group. There likely could be a server out there that is greater than the dream smp, but its just better not shared.
SO TRUE! I had a small friend group and we created an SMP, with a mod I created. The story all came from us, we wrote it together, and it was great. Then a 1.20 patch came and broke the mod, I didn’t know how to fix it and I didn’t want to go through recoding months of work, so we voided it. I still have the world and I log in from time to time, it was fun, and I’m working on something that won’t be connected to it at all but will hopefully allow us to still play together once more. CoreSMP was great, and I’m glad it ended, but I’m still sad it’s gone, like everything in life. Ok I’ll stop typing now I need to eat somethin
Funny you say that, because my friend group and I actually created a whole looping universe and each our own original character to play, both mostly inspired by DreamSMP lore (one out of the three of us didn't watch DSMP). But it became much bigger than the DSMP universe, even after Karl's expansion of the general timeline. One of my personal favourite things one of my friends did, was connect this world we created with a version of the DSMP where Technoblade was an actual godly entity called the Blood God, and had a well-explained and reasonable allyship with one of my friend's characters.
I think this is also why other smps like Hermitcraft, Empires, the life series, ect, work so well. No matter what conflict goes on you never stop getting the sense that it’s just a bunch of friends having fun.
Seems like a lot of other people (including myself) got to a point where Techno was the only thing we bothered watching from the SMP. Everything else just felt so underwhelming that I was pretty much just watching Techno streams to watch Techno, the SMP itself was irrelevant. Man, the Wilbur praise did not age well at all... Also yes, you absolutely should watch Stein's;Gate. That show fucking slaps
One of the most depressing part about all this was that dsmp streamers *were* excited, and *wanted* to keep going. Erin and Michael McChill talked before about how they brought up ideas and asked for collaboration, but never really got a response from Dream or anyone else
I was shocked the SMP ended so long after Techno's death. In my opinion, since it was already losing popularity by the Techno passed, it should have ended soon after his death. It would have been a good way to go and keep a sort of bitter sweet fair well compared to the random drawn out ending that eventually came.
I personally think the reason the DSMP faded off into silence is because people started disliking Dream and not wanting to support him in any way. Yeah, there were other streamers to watch, but I really lost interest because Dream soured it for me (and, of course, it wasn't as enjoyable without certain people who left, like Tommy). That's just one of the biggest things I've noticed in the fandom, as well as outside the fandom.
i hope you've watched dream's video explaining everything that happened. not saying you have to like dream again, but it's unfortunate that so many people let misinformation and slander color their opinion of him.
@@MonAhgasInsomniAroELF the dream video is boring and as a lot of useless Yapping, Like wow yeah the dude is not a groomer dont change the fact he has ego issue and it took year to admit he cheated
@@aoki6332except he literally admitted to being in the wrong about situations where he was actually in the wrong… also, how is proving that he’s not a groomer “a lot of useless yapping” when that was the biggest thing people were accusing him of? You sure are a special one…
if i were a bit younger in 2020 i would've been obsessed with dsmp. i am forever grateful that i went through my weird rp phase and shipping-real-people phase back in 2016 because i would've been genuinely unbearable for anyone who knew me
posting that short story was very brave. couldn't bring myself to read past the screenshot that you posted. i am terrified my writing still sounds like the shit i wrote in high school lol
Techno once said that if they became too lore focused people would realise that they're not that good at it because what got them into the dsmp was light hearted jokes. That's just foreshadowing atp
This is good. You’re not one of those people that are just ranting about how the DSMP sucks with unrealistic reasoning. You praised the good things and explained realistic flaws without opinion. Just a simple informational video :D
oooohhhhh 16:20 aged like milk ouch I will also say that Dream's horrendous "management" (incredibly sarcastic) of the server was a nightmare for all of the members. I think that you're too hard on the SMP members here; we know now that so many members including Eret, Niki, Ranboo and Hannah, tried and failed to put together any kind of narrative because every time there was an attempt, Dream was essentially a roadblock. Not mentioning the absolutely awful treatment the few women on the SMP recieved, Dream was almost completly absent from the server which really put a halt to so many members' lore plans. In becoming the main antagonist, Dream's role was involved in everyone's stories, so when he decided to bail, there was only so much everyone could do on their own before they needed other people and also Dream. Eret has been very vocal about the mismanagement on Dream's part ever since the server died; I respect her a lot, and also, she was on the server since the beginning of the L'manberg era, so she knows what she's talking about. The finale ended, Dream was no longer a main character, and so he of course lost interest and abandoned it for the most part, leaving the rest of the SMP hanging. He's notorious for letting his ego make his decisions, and this one, at least in part, was no different. I am a firm believer that the server surviving past the finale, and even before to an extent, was possible DESPITE Dream, not because of him. The server didn't get popular because of Dream; it got popular because Tommy brought in an element of fun and chaos that people were entertained by. Wilbur introduced a narrative, and the Election arc was so fun because it allowed everyone to be goofy while also having some crucial story elements thrown in there. Dream played the antagonist, yes, but the majority of people followed the storyline for Tommy, not Dream. Dream didn't have a character, not really - he wasn't sympathetic and didn't have any motivations past "let's harrass the annoying kid". Yeah, there's some stuff he said on twitter and streams during the Prison arc about how "if you grab a snake expect it to bite back" or something, but he NEVER built on his character other than being an exaggerated extension of himself. Dream was not an important player, his role was, and honestly, could have been filled by pretty much any other SMP member, and much better. As an avid viewer that kept up with every possible streamer I could, it was very frustrating and disappointing to see people try to build their stories and characters only to get sidelined by Dream trying to drag out his own relevancy in the plot (the revive book) which basically nullified a lot of the consequences in the earlier story and also overshadowed and butted out any other people's narratives that they were trying to create. Also, yeah, the artists absolutely carried. Sadist alone is single-handedly responsible for launching the server into popularity; the artists, writers, and cosplayers were so passionate, a level of involvement I haven't seen in a fandom since Undertale.
@@VendoProstis I'm gonna be so honest with you. This has nothing to do with dream as a person nor as a content creator. It fully has to do on how a person singlehandedly attempted to carry a story project that featured 40+ members and therefore 40+ storylines all on his own with little to no help on it. He, as a human couldn't have POSSIBLY done that. And the fact that Dream held the reins all on his own made any form of lore integration for all the members impossible and unaccessible. Op is right on their rant.
A lot of people says techno is the main show, yes. And the reason he is the main show was because he was genuinely having fun and just messing around with other. The “plot” for him is just a suggestion he will go through it on his own terms which is why he is enjoyable. He is unpredictable and keep us guessing, unlike other who just follow the lame plot and doesn’t improvise. Heck Jschatt make the SMP more enjoyable too. Honestly they shouldn’t have gate keep a bunch of people and have a boring ass plot too follow.
i think it's also important to remember that it wasn't some grand idea to begin with. dream didn't set out to create a roleplay server with storylines and seasons. it wasn't a "great idea that was terribly executed," because it was never a planned thing in the first place. it was nothing that became something that slowly ended. the SMP ultimately did serve it's entire purpose. dream was never trying to create the DSMP as we know it from the start, it was just a server he made to check out the new Minecraft updates with george, and then they added sapnap so they could all hang out, and slowly added more of their friends to hang out and play on the server with. once it became popular, dream used it as a way to help streamers he became friends with to grow their audiences too, since the opportunity presented itself. it had evolved into a roleplay server unintentionally and organically, was amazing for a while in particular because everyone was trapped at home due to the pandemic and had nothing better to do anyway, but once people were able to start going out again, everyone got busier, trying to coordinate 30+ creators was too hard most of the time, one of their dear friends passed, and i think everyone's motivation just fizzled out after that. it was never meant to be anything more than a server for friends to hang out on, so it fully accomplished that and more, and now it's done. that's all there is to it imo. 🤷 it was fun while it lasted and it's a great memory for many, but everyone moved on.
outside factors also lead to the downfall of this server, creators moving on to other things, dream being constantly being engaged in controversy, people no longer had time to watch hours worth of streams for content and also technoblades unfortunate passing
i never watched all the dsmp livestreams, aside from the beginning till before the dream getting locked up plotline, i usually would watch techno's streams and add to the spam of "mic muted" during the start of streams at his cabin in the woods and watch the occasional upload of techno's pov during big fights or funny moments. im thankful for this video reminding me of this experience you did the smp justice.
I actually think that people having their own separate plot lines CAN be still be good. I think Qsmp does it well, with creators having their own lore and other creators simply reacting to it.
"their symphony forever unfinished." man that just made me emotional. Thank you for this video. Recent events have really soured my memory of the DSMP, this just reminded me why I loved it so much.
The stories individually were good(Quaquity´s was a masterpiece, it made me afraid of a Minecraft character because his voice acting was just.... perfect!), but once you tried to weave them together it wouldn't create a scarf but a ball of incomprehensible yarn. Tommi´s story for example should have ended right there where he got his discs back. had the SMP continued with Quaquity´s (or Ramboo´s) story as a follow-up in "continuity" the story would have been a banger, the issue is they didn't. Don't get me wrong here I think Tommy is a great character still, but he pretty much got hamfisted in subplots where he had no stakes, BBH Red Egg, The Tubbo nuke (that one was a mess that led nowhere), and Jack Manifold´s story that also ended on a whimper that led nowhere, which feels disappointing, add onto this the fact that "new episodes" or "lore" took months to produce a follow-up and BANG! right there recipe for disaster (narrative disaster). All because they wanted to force Tommy into being the protagonist of the series (this is the same case with techno may he rest in peace) where he had nothing to do but repeat his past mistakes which he learned NOT to do anymore in the last arc he had, which made him frustrating to watch. Dream´s character motivation reveal was a huge letdown, it was shown when it didn't matter anymore, nukes exploded anyway was the most anticlimactic thing (in a bad way) I have ever seen! it is the equivalent of "rocks fall everyone dies". All the HYPE around how menacing he is just to be horribly written. Sam was a better villain for example but they did him dirty because "DrEaM hAd A pOiNt!" (no he didn't but the narrative says so so STFU), The egg was a better villain (but is not a dream so off it goes to the bin! also let mock BBH for putting on effort and giving us an interesting spin on a Lovecraftian story instead of recognizing how well made it was, memes, mockery and cutting the story short! because nothing shows more respect than doing that! bravo!). Dream had the same problem as Tommy, he got hamfisted in conflicts that were not of that character´s interest + he was a terribly written character wich pathetic motivation is only rivaled by Cinder in RWBY if you had seen that. "I just wAnTeD tHe SeRvEr To Be HaPpY aGaIn" -my ass! that´s the most unreliable shit ever, especially coming from a supposed leader of an ancient "cult" which got so powerful and influential GOD copied his shape to honor him. Foolish had tremendous potential, but it was cut abruptly, so did Puffy, so did BBH, and so did the Kinoko kingdom. Philza did basically nothing since he killed Wilbur, and Wilbur... oh boy WILBUR! same frustrating shit as a dream about a character that pretends to have a "plan" only to be nothing at the end.... why the fucking hype? it was all smoking mirrors but they wanted you to pretend they weren't and that sucked because it felt as if the writers believe you are STUPID, oh yeah also that time when everyone got an allergy to making lore, and rather than saying "Guys we don't want to do that at the moment we want to work on other projects" they instead began to bitch and moan about how STUPID lore was (my favorite is when Tubbo acted disinterested in Tommi´s funeral, got criticized by shitty voice acting, defended himself by saying he is not a "good voice actor", and then proving himself wrong 3 streams later)... this is like when Rick and Morty made the too many meta jokes to the point it got annoying. This connects to the point I brought up about continuity, which the writers apparently are allergic to, but simultaneously wanted to introduce Tommy, Techno, or Dream into all of the side stories, they lacked a vision past Lmanburg part 2, AND IT FUCKING SHOWS! TLDR: My two gripes with DSMP are: 1)Finish a story and don't use a character that already went through an arc just to do it again, you make them feel redundant. 2) Don´t overuse your "celebrities" and hype them as a BIG character if they can't fucking deliver something good (Even if the SMP has your name, you were the worst written character, and the best contribution was being a ghost on Ramboo´s head) mald over this point all you want but deep down (and it hurts) it is true. Dream as a character was a HUGE letdown and I would have preferred ANYONE as the big bad but him.
I'm so late to the party it's not even funny! I stumbled onto the DreamSMP a few months ago and am playing catchup. From that perspective, it's hard to piece together the storyline and thanks to your video, I now understand why. That being said, there's something special there. The interaction between the characters, the plot lines, and such are entertaining. There is something watchable about it that does make you want to know what happens next. Now that it's over, I can skip between lore streams without having to wait for the next ones to be made available. Thank you for putting together this video. I found it informative and insightful!
I would recommend BlueberryTV if you’re a new fan looking to get into dsmp. Also avoid Evanmcgaming I know the video recommends him but theyre very biased videos which skip over plotlines and focus on getting views not giving the viewer s true idea of the story 👍
@@owlvo exactly right. He featured tommy more in his video about the eggpire than Ponk, An actual member of the eggpire who's lore was wayyy more important to the egg arc than tommy.
With the recent drama I've found myself coming back to this video a lot. Thank you for giving an actually nuanced perspective instead of just shitting on the smp because thats the popular thing to do. The smp was chaotic and kinda of a mess but thats why i love it so much and forever will. It was fun and helped me get through the pandemic and everything else that was happening at the time, so the fact that majority of the internet will remember it just for the constant drama and alligations (Wilbur being an abuser certainly made it worse) makes me incredibly sad. So again thank you for making this video.
I would agree with you; there were any cracks in the DreamSMP, and we can't blame the streams for it. After all, they are not professionals with the writing, and in a world where they were, I can still think of ways how it could have ended badly. Wilbur's revolution and Technoblade's ideas about anarchy still pull me back to DreamSMP's videos to this day, and this is why I am here in your comments today, lol. I really miss Technoblade, man... I quit watching Minecraft videos after he passed away.
dsmp video?? in 2024?? this was a fucking life saver dude!! as someone who loved dsmp since the server was made until now, this video meant a lot to me!! dsmp has always had a special place in my heart and seeing people still creating content around it makes me genuinely really happy :) loved this video man, keep up the work !!
Dream is the final antagonist of the story, threatening, powerful but beatable. Yet, Techno felt like a "force of nature" villain. Yes, you can run from Techno, but he WILL find you and wreck you.
And now most of them are getting canceled and shamed like Wilbur and his seemingly abuse in the form of biting and uh dream with his uh poor age decision of texting according to twitter that is
Personally I think the Prison Arc was what ruined the SMP, Dream SMP could've ended on a high note, by quite simply ending after the final clash between Tommy and Dream for the discs, Dream was the main antagonist of the SMP, and what did he become? Nothing but a backhanded inmate with no threat at all, sure he was a threat in the prison, but that lasted for like a week, no villain no drive, which caused the server to come crashing down, the Egg was a mistake in my opinion, its plot was good, but it came at the wrong time, and wasn't really introduced well, and of course Techno's death as well, I only cared about the SMP bc of the Egg and Techno, if the former came earlier but wasn't so important to some and so useless to others then it could've been significantly better, if the Egg was a proper antagonist that took over after Dream or Jschlatt as the antagonist, rather than a backthought for half the members and didn't ruin multiple characters in my opinion, eg ponk (Debatably),
Honestly, I had the same thoughts and the same reasonings. I used to tell all this to my friends who continued to follow DSMP even after the Finale, unlike me. It’s just… it’s just that. You summed everything I reasoned my stop at watching DSMP with perfectly. Thank you for the video ❤
"Wilbur's character is the one with severe mental health issues, but Wilbur as far as any viewer can tell is just a relatively healthy streamer." Ohhh that like MILK. That aged So poorly. That aged HORRIFICALLY
I remember how the fandom was just too much. I mean this when more and more creators got big so did the audience, everyday felt like content was needed and present. From the streamers, and fans. The amount of artists that came and graduated from the fandom was just pumping out the content. I would miss one stream whether DSMP related or not it feels so much to keep up. This SMP gave everyone awesome memories and entertainment when the pandemic happened. I am so glad to have been part of this but everything was jut too much to process
I think the Dream SMP reached 1000x past what anyone could've imagined. They stumbled upon the best combination of characters, events irl and online and hype to create this mega viral story that influenced so many people. We shouldn't worry about what the Dream SMP could've become, since it already became 100x that what anyone could have wished for.
Phenomenal video! I have been thinking a lot about how mc smp’s have been in the hole and this video you put together put all my thoughts and feelings into one. Thank you for immortalizing what was the Dream Smp. It truly was a era of true entertainment
In the dream smp finale, they showed us that they also missed the old server, before becoming complicated. The end is heartbreaking for this reason. In the end, Dream and Tommy finally get to play simply like two nice pals.
There's realistically 0 chance it could ever come back either, you've got the main writer turning out to be an domestic abuser, tommy and dream are no longer friends, most of smp members sided with quackity over the qsmp drama and technoblade is gone. It would've have been impossible without all these people.
the egg plot may have been boring, but ironically its best apperance was in Tales of the SMP when it was Techno who was ranting about the egg as Ser Billiam
personally speaking, dsmp died with techno's passing away. truly felt like there was nothing else to watch. and when dream got all those accusations. it just confirmed my huntch
ngl the only thing that made dsmp last as long was techno, thats just me idk what others think but thats how i see it. i noticed some decline after techno passed away and the story became bland
I think another problem with dsmp was the amount of plot holes and lost plot lines like I remember how the whole kidnapping RUclipsrs to test the revival book never really went anywhere and that the egg plot just stopped for months
This feels like the perfect end to Dsmp. I stopped watching entirely after Technoblade, and haven't been in touch with anything smp related since then. This video brought me back to the old times where although chaotic, we'd all scream in techno's chat when he rang the bell and rewatch the sad-ist animations. Was the peak of minecraft but since we're all growing up and out of covid years, it would never happen again. Man, just really really miss Techno.
honestly, i think what happened was covid ending, life was going on again, no one was home, no one had time for 5-6 hours of twitch streams. and after Techno's passing it was the final nail in the coffin for a dying community lost by time and age.
I stopped Watching anything from dsmp when Techno died.. for me, it was no fun without him. I loved his pov, his laughter, I loved him and I think everyone felt the same way I did.. he was amazing and will always be on our hearts we love you Technoblade, RIP🙏❤
I’m “in” the dsmp fandom, I suppose, I watch a lot of its fan content like animatics, but also I’ve never watched a single dsmp stream, only the recap videos so I can stay on top of the lore. I’m only in the fandom because I’m in the life series fandom and there’s a lot of overlap of life series fans and damp fans, and the fan creators also make dsmp stuff, so I just kinda got sucked into the fandom.
I personally can’t really stand looking at my old DSMP drawings, mostly because of the cringe, though I would say that DSMP had something that made me spark my creativity even more. I’m not ashamed that this has helped me to build up some foundation for writing AUs and developing mini-series that both me and my friends loved. DSMP, to me, died because of the death of technoblade. He was one of the best Minecraft players I’ve seen and I couldn’t stand him passing on, it was truly heartbreaking to many people. Though I still did watch and knew some more plot relevance (personally I really liked ghostbur and his revival, with some tales of the smp), I was busy doing my own things with my AU and coming up with ideas for them. I get sad whenever someone points out that it was cringe that they were a DSMP fan or they bullied someone that just liked it. It was comfort and a great creative outlet for many of us, and took me years to put the l’manburg flag off my wall. DSMP meant so much to me and helped me through dark times, it made me happy. I really liked this retrospective, it doesn’t try to show many negative aspects or just blatantly insult it. Just shows what the main problem was and why it finished this way. Great video!
As a Wilbur sort Stan/fan. I agree 100% after Wilbur left the project in terms of writing the lore it had a noticeable dip in quality. Wilbur is a fantastic story teller and writer. And a lot of the things he creates do have a certain way to capturing, keeping and making your feel ways you may not have thought possible. It’s really a shame when people think Dream is the reason for the DSMPs success when it wasn’t. It was Wilbur. And it’s why I’m such a huge fan of Edit for my second thought of the suggested reason to why it failed. And I’ll sa, I disagree, I don’t think it was the streamers forgetting how light hearted it was. But instead they kinda just had a release and didn’t think of way to explore or repair the relationships in lore. Because of Wilbur has said before during and after the smp he’s not the most mentally healthy guy, which is why I disagree with the idea that the characters were separate from their player. But it was 2 reasons. instead I think it was dreams allegations and scandals that demotivated him cause him to not really be looking good after the lore as he probably should have. And for the second one. I think it was a promise. Back when the egg lore was starting to pick up Tommy was unaware of bads lore. Which was NOT a good idea. It was promised to the audience that all of the lore was connected and would EVENTUALLY make sense. But that day never came. The creators began to stream less and less and more of the audience became less interested because nothing was happening and nothing was connected. Eventually everyone felt more salty I think because the end of the dream smp “in lore” was just a TPK. Total player kill. Everyone died. And was never spoken of again. That’s when my love finally hit the nail in the coffin. I was interested like much of the community was but as the creators began to not work together or have a leader or themes or events, it just flicked and flamed out. It was really sad. Great video! But coming from someone who was there from the beginning to the end, it just. Was disappointing.
Personally speaking, the SMP's biggest strength was one of its' weaknesses: The fact everyone had their own POV (sans Dream who intended himself a villain through and through at the start) Sure, getting to see anybody's view is nice, great even for people really in love with the characters or only want to see certain streamers specifically, but completionists like me see that it's feels like a chore. Especially since VODs were all over the place and it wasn't clear what was and wasnt' nessecery to watch to understand the lore Also it devolved into complete misery. Too much angst, too little fluff. And while I have nothing but respect for each and every *_Content Creator_* I do have gripes with how their _characters_ (emphasis on characters) and culpability were handled Forgive me if I misinterpret anythin as my memory is less than steller and I've only seen so many VODs, plus what I say is about the characters exclusively who are *fiction* and not a judgement of the real people behind them but Holy *_FUCK_* were the narratives lacking in self-awareness. C!Technoblade chooses to kill C!Tubbo and blames it on peer pressure, then beats C!Tommy to death for daring to be justifiably enraged about it. C!Techno calls L'Manburg's people tyrants and traitors for daring to stand up to one (C!Schlatt). He destroys the living space of a people. _C!Phil willingly kills his son and refuses to take the blame for it_ The Doomsday Trio completely destroy L'Manburg alongside the library of C!Wilbur when he was a ghost. They destroy the literature and history of a whole people irreparably and we know this with how the Tales From The SMP video covering L'Manburg history specifically shows how butchered it has become in the far, far future. Even if L'Manburg did do something to provoke this (which is didn't) completely ruining their history like that is something even my "Fiction isn't reality!" bliss brain won't freaking ignore Like, my fucking god an entire culture's history is mangled without repair in sight, _C!Fundy is mistaken for and dehumanized as his own father's _*_pet_* by a _historian_ C!Niki's mental health is clearly destroyed post Doomsday with how she joins with the people who twice over destroyed her country and killed her people, and it's never potrayed as the gross manipulation it is. C!Phil and C!Techno took advantage of one of their victims, acting like they were her found family even though they ruined her real found family from L'Manburg as much as they did her. They are never meaningfully called out or punished for this. This is just one grossly shortened example of suffocating misery that is just too much, and with how much of a time-costly investment watching all the content is, how could I stick around and not instead focus all my attention on fanfiction with a much better balance between fluff and angst, and not worry about emotionally burn out?
I had a lot of fun watching the DSMP during lockdown. I would binge watch streams, fan animation, and Tik tok compilations. Even though it was very messy and hard to follow, I loved the feeling of watching chat freak out over a new plot twist in the story and reading the comments of the fan animation videos I loved. I didn’t enjoy how the DSMP ended, but I loved the entire process of learning its story. Now I binge watch QSMP streams and technically following the same phase I went through with the DSMP. I don’t know how the QSMP is going to be looked at in the future, but I know that I am loving my time on it now as much as I loved my time on the DSMP when I was a 15-16.
I think it would have survived a year of so if Techno did not die, he has a lot of good ideas and has executed when in the latter half of the story. His death is a massive blow to an already declining server. More so, it would have been better if it was seasonal.
I know this is a stupid thing to point out in a video focused on something else, but since I've watched the whole series, I feel obligated to speak on this. There is no point in SAO where Kirito dies and comes back to life. The closest thing would probably be the end of the first arc, where he persists past a fatal injury in the game world to kill his attacker, but then he dies in the game moments later. The reason he didn't die in the real world is because the creator had a manual control for the brain-fryer device that he didn't activate.
THIS IS AN AMAZING VIDEO, thank you for making it. I am speechless and this video deserves a huge outreach. the ending gave me goosebumps, truly an unfinished symphony
While im glad so many people had a new minecraft adventure to be excited about and enjoy, i never really could get into it. I enjoyed most of the people in it individually but always found tommy too obnoxius and exagerated, i know that was the point but he went too overboard with it. And another thing, which ill admit wasnt their fault, is how sereously people took it and how they made it out to be like the most groundbreaking and well written story, which it clearly wasnt, it was just a fun thing some friends did with a story. Imo it deffinately suffered from being to popular and not knowing when to stop
the dream smp was so magical for me and has formed one of my biggest interests probably ever. i hate that people are hating on it now, and appreciate your outlook on what it could have been, the downfalls but also what it had to offer. at the end of the day, it still was a bunch of people having fun, but in different ways. but i totally agree with most of your points. i do have to argue though, that the separation of character and streamer, and a deeper delve into the characters, as well as all of the different plot lines (despite it being VERY messy), is soemthing im so glad happened, because it created something great. as someone who didn’t watch the dream smp with huge expectations, i found that it never let my expectations down, and inspired fan work that exceeds what the dream smp could do, through writing, art and even music. even years after the dream smp basically ended, people are still using these stories and characters to create unique, original work. and i think because of how convoluted the dream smp was, is why some of this is even possible :)
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Edit 7/24/24: Hello everyone coming from Tommy's video! Unironically, Tommy tearing up a little bit from the ending was genuinely heartwarming and will definitely boost my ego for a few days lol.
Welp, here it is, my DreamSMP video that took me down an emotional rollercoaster these past 4 months. This video is a couple months overdue and there's probably a whole bunch of editing errors that I haven't caught, but this video has driven me up the wall for far too long. Even if this video does horribly, I'm proud of what I made and I'm going to do my best to not let numbers dictate my emotions. I think I have a more solid grasp on what I want my identity to be and this video is a huge stepping stone for the future.
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bro please remember me when you get GIANT. This was an amazing video and I had genuine goosebumps when you referenced Wilbur's speech at the end of the video. This video perfectly balances comedy and seriousness, I honestly thought you had like 3 mil when I started this. Nice job!
hey in sword art online the part your looking for is season 1 final episode
@@NOTGGboy-dw8gm lol thanks
thank you for making this video :>
Ever though of checking out the Mianite series? You might enjoy it.
In retrospective Sadist animations carried more than anyone gives her credit for lmao
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She along with the other artists in this community made me interested in the plot of this story. I wouldn't have stayed for a long time if it weren't for them.
Given that Sad-ist’s views have dropped substantially since the SMP days.With a spike on the Technoblade video I’d say it was more of a symbiosis situation.
literally she was how I found out about the dream smp
So glad she got a good launch off because of this
12:00 Slight correction, Wilbur mentioned that he retired from writing the narrative of everyone in the smp I think around the time of the revival book arc, which is why the story started decentralising, so it isn’t entirely the fault of his writing. Creators like Wilbur and Tubbo have also mentioned that the plot progression and scheduling was severely mismanaged where they wouldn’t even know some important lore events are happening/have happened, and that obviously caused the main plot to fall apart really quickly.
Furthermore, creators themselves were starting to lose interest in/invested less time for the smp due to moving on to bigger things or due to the abysmally toxic subsection of the fandom cancelling and threatening them (death threats, harassment, bullying) for inane reasons such Quackity (latino) being cancelled for speaking Spanish, Eret being decimated for being a traitor to L’manburg, Tommy (a child then) being harassed on many occasions and needing to seek therapy just to name a few.
At the end of the day, the biggest problem with the dsmp was the lack of communication and cooperation. Everyone ended up doing their own thing, which caused a lack of the fun interactions between streamers we had before and it made the story and the lore more nonsensical and full of plotholes. Although I still think that some of the lore that was made after Tommy's disc finale is really good and even some of the most interesting lore on the server. The prison arc, the syndicate lore, Las Nevadas, Ranboo's enderwalk lore, the eggpire, tales from the smp, Wilbur's revival, they were all pretty good story arcs with a lot of potential, they just felt completely disconnected from each other and also lacked that lighthearted and fun atmosphere the early lore had, being all too serious, which made it less fun to watch after a while. Also, the fact that the streamers themselves felt obligated to do serious lore instead of just have fun and casually hang out on the server after a while made it less enjoyable both for them and for the audience and it just felt like they were dragging out the plot. Those high expectations the fandom set for the story kinda ruined the previously mostly improved roleplay, setting the bar higher and higher, like you said.
Techno would've loved QSMP
especially that he's good at speaking spanish
@@Coristic121 He actually knew portuguese pretty well and it's only made sadder when you realize one of qsmp's brazilian admins learned english specifically to watch techno's content, it would've been so sweet to see them interact
If he was on the server the lore would be completely different
I’m sure he would have. I miss him.
I get really sad yet oddly happy thinking about how he would've totally been invited to qsmp because quackity loved techno sm): and how he would've loved the concepts, the many jokes he would've made about making breakfast the eggs but would've taken care of it
I just really miss him
i think it's kind of poetic how to me dream smp's main theme was fall from grace and in the end it did the same despite everyone's best efforts.
nothing can last forever, things change, kingdoms fall and all that jazz.
i love this comment
All I'll say is Hermitcraft came before all and it's still standing strong🤷
@@soumyadiptasensharma2055 Hermitcraft has no competitions at this point. That SMP endured a decade-long highs and lows and are still standing strong among the most popular SMPs in RUclips.
@@eclipsewaves exactly
@@soumyadiptasensharma2055 why do y'all bring hermitcraft into everything like it's great and all but you guys are not doing favors for the series
I liked the lore and watching Techno's POV who was my favorite youtuber of all time. Dream's and Tommy's fight for the discs on that mountain but it felt weirdly acted which was completely fine for a bunch of streamers but as time went on the streams began to get more and more scripted. It became less about hitting story points and became more and more scripted down to the littlest word. It was crazy, the egg lore was completely awful and it truly shown how the DSMP turned into a shell of what it once had. If you look at awesamdude's lore you can see that they started scripting everything and even stopped playing normally and got other people to mimic their movements from a 3rd person perspective.
Even Techno's lore wasn't as natural as it used to be, Phil's lore suffered a bit as well. I liked when the server didn't know what was gonna happen next. Their bewildered expressions were the best to look back on, capturing the horrors of Wilbur blowing up L'manburg perfectly. As the server members tried to control the way their story moved after leaving too many plot holes to fill in from the constant lore breaks and direction changes. They managed to slowly tear the server apart and drive people away, Techno was the only person I watched on the lore and overtime I stopped checking in on the server because I had no care about the story anymore.
egg lore wasnt that bad
Wilbur Really Carried With The Writing
sorry if i'm misinterpreting, but as a correction the streamers did actually know that wilbur was going to blow up lmanberg! in tommy's tribute to dsmp video, he shows wilburs discord message b4 the stream which outlines every single plot point of the nov 16 stream, including the detonation of lmanberg. but the more scripting as it went on is confirmed by tommy saying so + the then shown 3 page long google doc detailing the fight at the community house stream.
seeing the entire crew fall apart due to drama was pretty sad
Or shippers. Like Tubbo and Ranboo, they don’t talk anymore due to people shipping them :(
@@tr-st_me_bro fr it sucks
They might interact off camera, as they are in similar friend groups @tr-st_me_bro
@@ender4384 hope so
@@tr-st_me_bro They don't interact online no. But they might still be good friends. Will and Niki are still great friends, despite not having interacted publicly more than twice in two to three years.
as the minority of someone who disliked the more famous tommy and dream plotline while loving badboyhalo's egglore, a lot of what you said are things ive echoed about in my own praises and disagreements with how rp and storytelling were handled after the Manberg arc. its nice to see really. since you talked a lot about tommy and dream, i also want to talk about egglore because it really gets thrown to the side way more that it deserves.
i love egglore. i loved it because it was different, especially during that time when the main l'manburg plot was just rehashed stuff- plot for plot- what wilbur did. (ei ostracized community, being banished by a president, execution, over the top destruction of l'manburg)
apparently, i was one of the few able to suspend my disbelief for two seconds and enjoy the absurdity of a pile of minecraft blocks as a central antagonist. really brought me back to those old minecraft roleplay series' i grew up on.
it got a lot of unnecessary criticism for 'suddenly being relevant and in your face' when there was so much subtle buildup and blink-and-you-miss-it moments people never got to see. mainly because smaller creators were driving the boat.
like bad didnt just... suddenly decide to take over the server after falling into the eggs control. that was his main goal since formation of the freaking badlands. his chaotic nature was always there. its just that his family friendly-ness was an easy target for bigger streamers that it became what the fandom as a whole reduced him to.
at the same time, the direction of the 'bigger' moments of egglore was... really awkward to say the least (ei banquet and finale stream).
of course, the big streams is all what people saw unfortunately.
just like you said, creators focusing on 'bigger' streams is exactly where it was weakest. it was good when it was subtle, a few moments here and there. it thrived when it wasnt in your face, when you had to make inferences on behaviors and connect stuff yourself.
i will forever hold bad not showing the scene of him getting fully corrupted into his eggpire skin as one of the best writing decisions made during dsmp. people with basic media literacy dont need stuff spelled out for them to understand the gravity of what must've happened.
it was good usage of 'dont show dont tell'. left it up to imagination, but enough building blocks to infer. a decision, i feel like would've been ruined because hes pg had he chosen to show it.
bad's a good writer when hes focused on slow build-ups with big emotional payouts. which, thankfully, is all that he's doing on qsmp nowadays.
anyways, im gonna... politely disagree with having too many plotlines as being a mistake.
dsmp had a lot more creators other than tommy and co that can chose to do their own thing if they wanted to. its unfair to them to be sidelined to the Supporting Character to whatever tommy or dream was cooking up.
remembering correctly, it was a very inaccessible to creators who wanted to rp a more 'morally incorrect' character.
decided you didn't like c!tommy? receive hate from the toxic stan mob.
decided to like c!tommy? your character will now be reduced to whatever 'family position' they decide you fit in. god forbid you try to break out of that.
a lot of puffy lore was based on that iirc
the entirety of jackmanifold lore was that too!
i dont think it was selfish of them to branch off when it made total sense characterwise for them to do so.
i believe its unreasonable to point fingers at smaller creators for focusing on their own characters as if thats the problem.
in reality, it was the apparent existence that there was a 'main plot' to begin with that was the final nail that caused the splinter.
lets disconnect 'main' from 'popular' please.
it was especially important for people like me who were adults and couldn't sit through a tommy stream without wanting to pull their hair out. i got into dsmp more BECAUSE there were plotlines that were more my style.
i believe lore and storytelling-focused smps should be treated like a 'choose your own adventure' that allows people creative freedom to do what they want.
you follow what you care about. you watch what you want. if you dont care about egglore, dont feel pressured to watch egglore stuff. if you dont care about tommy's disk stuff, dont need to watch that either. i know i didnt.
watching dsmp is watching dsmp.
views are views.
engagement is engagement.
if you need a central plot to follow, that honestly feels like a personal thing born from fomo. i dont see it as a problem that caused its downfall.
its not like marvel where studios want you to watch a whole bunch of stuff because they want money. its not a tv series or a movie and it shouldnt be. its just a whole bunch of amateur storywriters and roleplayers having fun and playing minecraft with no focus on a collaborative overarching narrative.
yes, i agree there was a big issue in the INTEGRATION of plotlines. i remember being frustrated at the ownership retcon of one of tommy's disks just so the final conflict could happen.
skeppy had the disk, and he still had the disk when he got corrupted. hell, even during regular non rp streams skeppy had AFTER the finale THE DISK WAS STILL IN HIS INVENTORY.
that right there was an easy plotpoint they could've used so dream could get the disk back and set up for the finale and let egglore be involved in the disk plot also.
but hey, what did they decide to do?
retcon it so ranboo had the disk.
it never made sense. and people just.. accepted it.
also, something you criticized that i liked was the differentiation between characters and content creators.
if anything, i think its a REALLY good thing that needed to happen when you also factor the fandom into it. a lot of hate, even in qsmp, stems from people not being able to differentiate between rp and reality. you can't have your cake and eat it unless youre able to swallow down the massive amount of death threats.
i wasn't involved (still not) in the fandom because twitter stans are the bane of everyone's existence and i was a filthy egglore lover.
i understand it as something the creators had to do to protect themselves. people are gonna complain about continuity if dream during whatever was going on in the exile arc suddenly started making funny bits with tommy without it.
sure, people who watched it for the content creators themselves mightve not liked it, but it was necessary, and arguably, the logical conclusion from wilbur's lmanburg storylines.
anyways, rant over. honestly good shit mate. good job
Ain’t no way you liked the egglore bruh
@@coler7952egglore wasnt that bad, maybe im biased since the first minecraft youtubers i watched and loved in dream smp are bad and skeppy but the lore in this story arc isnt terrible.
i agree with this comment though with the bad integration and execution of the dream smp with its different side stories
While I agree with your take on the "forcing characters into their own supporting cast" take, I'm gonna be honest, Jack's lore didn't tie to Tommy, it was kind of a kick starter but afterwards he kinda did his own thing.
I know you wrote this a while back so don't know if you'll see it. My issue with eghlore was that even at its peak there where like 4 5 people corrupted so it never felt like a threat to the server.
Honestly i think a general issue with the lore was that nobody wanted to be the bad guy so a lot of the events where 1 sided.
Last thing i wish the fights weren't scripted because Honestly, the best war was the first one, and it all went downhill after that.
This is why I love Hermitcraft so much. They have the perfect blend of everything that makes Minecraft SMP content so enjoyable. There are builders, experts in redstone, funny moments between friends, and even some cool storylines.
Grian is chaos incarnate and Ren is the theatre kid and everyone has their own little niche that works so well together.
@truckerdave8465 Grian is to hermathcraft as Techno is to the Dream server.
Many major events of each respective server have some involvement of the two.
ikr!! funny story i used to be a huge fan of dsmp and hermitcraft in 2020-2021 and eventually stopped watching them, then a few months ago i was reminded of hermitcraft again. i watched a few grian videos because i missed him and the other hermits and before i even knew it i became completely obsessed again LOLLL but im so glad to be back🙏
16:15 Well that didn't age well did it 💀💀
I WAS THINKING THE EXACT SAME THING
Lmaoo for real, I was literally thinking that.
Lmafo
Bro has to pin this 💀
You just summed up perfectly what I've been trying to say to people. I always say something along the lines of "It had such great potential, but it just started going downhill after the button room." But it kinda felt flat because I really did enjoy certain other aspects of the later lore, especially the exile arc when Tommy teamed up with Techno. This video made me realize that my original way of explaining was only just breaching the surface of what I truly felt on the topic, and that this explanation is much more thorough and true to what I was trying to say.
Thank you. The symphony is forever unfinished. And I think that's the way it is meant to be.
I like the fact that the dream smp has inspired millions of fans to make their own server. there are so many fan servers, with amazing storylines, which will never see the internet because the story is fully kept private in a solid friend group. There likely could be a server out there that is greater than the dream smp, but its just better not shared.
SO TRUE! I had a small friend group and we created an SMP, with a mod I created. The story all came from us, we wrote it together, and it was great. Then a 1.20 patch came and broke the mod, I didn’t know how to fix it and I didn’t want to go through recoding months of work, so we voided it. I still have the world and I log in from time to time, it was fun, and I’m working on something that won’t be connected to it at all but will hopefully allow us to still play together once more. CoreSMP was great, and I’m glad it ended, but I’m still sad it’s gone, like everything in life. Ok I’ll stop typing now I need to eat somethin
Funny you say that, because my friend group and I actually created a whole looping universe and each our own original character to play, both mostly inspired by DreamSMP lore (one out of the three of us didn't watch DSMP). But it became much bigger than the DSMP universe, even after Karl's expansion of the general timeline.
One of my personal favourite things one of my friends did, was connect this world we created with a version of the DSMP where Technoblade was an actual godly entity called the Blood God, and had a well-explained and reasonable allyship with one of my friend's characters.
I think this is also why other smps like Hermitcraft, Empires, the life series, ect, work so well. No matter what conflict goes on you never stop getting the sense that it’s just a bunch of friends having fun.
Seems like a lot of other people (including myself) got to a point where Techno was the only thing we bothered watching from the SMP. Everything else just felt so underwhelming that I was pretty much just watching Techno streams to watch Techno, the SMP itself was irrelevant.
Man, the Wilbur praise did not age well at all...
Also yes, you absolutely should watch Stein's;Gate. That show fucking slaps
One of the most depressing part about all this was that dsmp streamers *were* excited, and *wanted* to keep going. Erin and Michael McChill talked before about how they brought up ideas and asked for collaboration, but never really got a response from Dream or anyone else
I was shocked the SMP ended so long after Techno's death. In my opinion, since it was already losing popularity by the Techno passed, it should have ended soon after his death. It would have been a good way to go and keep a sort of bitter sweet fair well compared to the random drawn out ending that eventually came.
Coming from tommy's video, this is a great view on the smp as a whole
I personally think the reason the DSMP faded off into silence is because people started disliking Dream and not wanting to support him in any way. Yeah, there were other streamers to watch, but I really lost interest because Dream soured it for me (and, of course, it wasn't as enjoyable without certain people who left, like Tommy). That's just one of the biggest things I've noticed in the fandom, as well as outside the fandom.
also Techno death a lot was postpone before it and i believe that once they try to finish it off a huge part of the hype had die down
i hope you've watched dream's video explaining everything that happened. not saying you have to like dream again, but it's unfortunate that so many people let misinformation and slander color their opinion of him.
@@MonAhgasInsomniAroELF That's not even the stuff I was referring to 😭😭
@@MonAhgasInsomniAroELF the dream video is boring and as a lot of useless Yapping, Like wow yeah the dude is not a groomer dont change the fact he has ego issue and it took year to admit he cheated
@@aoki6332except he literally admitted to being in the wrong about situations where he was actually in the wrong… also, how is proving that he’s not a groomer “a lot of useless yapping” when that was the biggest thing people were accusing him of? You sure are a special one…
if i were a bit younger in 2020 i would've been obsessed with dsmp. i am forever grateful that i went through my weird rp phase and shipping-real-people phase back in 2016 because i would've been genuinely unbearable for anyone who knew me
posting that short story was very brave. couldn't bring myself to read past the screenshot that you posted. i am terrified my writing still sounds like the shit i wrote in high school lol
In 2016, huh? did you do it to undertale instead?
@@gabrielc7861 yes indeed! i had an undyne rp account on instagram lol. being 13 was a weird time
Techno once said that if they became too lore focused people would realise that they're not that good at it because what got them into the dsmp was light hearted jokes. That's just foreshadowing atp
Stream name: acquiring vast sums of wealth [Dream SMP]
Fr, the old arcs of the Dream Smp are amazing
@@_Doctor_14 wait are you greek
@@yiannicharitos1057 Ναι
@@_Doctor_14 I've been searching 4 some1 greek to talk dsmp with since 2022
This is good. You’re not one of those people that are just ranting about how the DSMP sucks with unrealistic reasoning. You praised the good things and explained realistic flaws without opinion. Just a simple informational video :D
all I gotta say is I wish we could go back to late 2020-2021 when there wasn't any *real* drama between everyone and it was much simpler back then. o7
Update: Quackity himself JUST announced that Wilbur is Kicked out of the QSMP! It's so over for him! 💀
oooohhhhh 16:20 aged like milk ouch
I will also say that Dream's horrendous "management" (incredibly sarcastic) of the server was a nightmare for all of the members. I think that you're too hard on the SMP members here; we know now that so many members including Eret, Niki, Ranboo and Hannah, tried and failed to put together any kind of narrative because every time there was an attempt, Dream was essentially a roadblock. Not mentioning the absolutely awful treatment the few women on the SMP recieved, Dream was almost completly absent from the server which really put a halt to so many members' lore plans. In becoming the main antagonist, Dream's role was involved in everyone's stories, so when he decided to bail, there was only so much everyone could do on their own before they needed other people and also Dream. Eret has been very vocal about the mismanagement on Dream's part ever since the server died; I respect her a lot, and also, she was on the server since the beginning of the L'manberg era, so she knows what she's talking about.
The finale ended, Dream was no longer a main character, and so he of course lost interest and abandoned it for the most part, leaving the rest of the SMP hanging. He's notorious for letting his ego make his decisions, and this one, at least in part, was no different. I am a firm believer that the server surviving past the finale, and even before to an extent, was possible DESPITE Dream, not because of him. The server didn't get popular because of Dream; it got popular because Tommy brought in an element of fun and chaos that people were entertained by. Wilbur introduced a narrative, and the Election arc was so fun because it allowed everyone to be goofy while also having some crucial story elements thrown in there. Dream played the antagonist, yes, but the majority of people followed the storyline for Tommy, not Dream. Dream didn't have a character, not really - he wasn't sympathetic and didn't have any motivations past "let's harrass the annoying kid". Yeah, there's some stuff he said on twitter and streams during the Prison arc about how "if you grab a snake expect it to bite back" or something, but he NEVER built on his character other than being an exaggerated extension of himself. Dream was not an important player, his role was, and honestly, could have been filled by pretty much any other SMP member, and much better.
As an avid viewer that kept up with every possible streamer I could, it was very frustrating and disappointing to see people try to build their stories and characters only to get sidelined by Dream trying to drag out his own relevancy in the plot (the revive book) which basically nullified a lot of the consequences in the earlier story and also overshadowed and butted out any other people's narratives that they were trying to create.
Also, yeah, the artists absolutely carried. Sadist alone is single-handedly responsible for launching the server into popularity; the artists, writers, and cosplayers were so passionate, a level of involvement I haven't seen in a fandom since Undertale.
@@VendoProstis None of the things I’ve said are made up - they all happened
I would not be “blaming” him if he didn’t actually cause all of it lmao
@@VendoProstis I'm gonna be so honest with you. This has nothing to do with dream as a person nor as a content creator. It fully has to do on how a person singlehandedly attempted to carry a story project that featured 40+ members and therefore 40+ storylines all on his own with little to no help on it. He, as a human couldn't have POSSIBLY done that. And the fact that Dream held the reins all on his own made any form of lore integration for all the members impossible and unaccessible. Op is right on their rant.
A lot of people says techno is the main show, yes.
And the reason he is the main show was because he was genuinely having fun and just messing around with other. The “plot” for him is just a suggestion he will go through it on his own terms which is why he is enjoyable. He is unpredictable and keep us guessing, unlike other who just follow the lame plot and doesn’t improvise. Heck Jschatt make the SMP more enjoyable too.
Honestly they shouldn’t have gate keep a bunch of people and have a boring ass plot too follow.
i think it's also important to remember that it wasn't some grand idea to begin with. dream didn't set out to create a roleplay server with storylines and seasons. it wasn't a "great idea that was terribly executed," because it was never a planned thing in the first place. it was nothing that became something that slowly ended. the SMP ultimately did serve it's entire purpose. dream was never trying to create the DSMP as we know it from the start, it was just a server he made to check out the new Minecraft updates with george, and then they added sapnap so they could all hang out, and slowly added more of their friends to hang out and play on the server with. once it became popular, dream used it as a way to help streamers he became friends with to grow their audiences too, since the opportunity presented itself. it had evolved into a roleplay server unintentionally and organically, was amazing for a while in particular because everyone was trapped at home due to the pandemic and had nothing better to do anyway, but once people were able to start going out again, everyone got busier, trying to coordinate 30+ creators was too hard most of the time, one of their dear friends passed, and i think everyone's motivation just fizzled out after that. it was never meant to be anything more than a server for friends to hang out on, so it fully accomplished that and more, and now it's done. that's all there is to it imo. 🤷 it was fun while it lasted and it's a great memory for many, but everyone moved on.
outside factors also lead to the downfall of this server, creators moving on to other things, dream being constantly being engaged in controversy, people no longer had time to watch hours worth of streams for content and also technoblades unfortunate passing
The dream smp will always have a place somewhere in my heart
i never watched all the dsmp livestreams, aside from the beginning till before the dream getting locked up plotline, i usually would watch techno's streams and add to the spam of "mic muted" during the start of streams at his cabin in the woods and watch the occasional upload of techno's pov during big fights or funny moments.
im thankful for this video reminding me of this experience
you did the smp justice.
I actually think that people having their own separate plot lines CAN be still be good. I think Qsmp does it well, with creators having their own lore and other creators simply reacting to it.
"their symphony forever unfinished." man that just made me emotional. Thank you for this video. Recent events have really soured my memory of the DSMP, this just reminded me why I loved it so much.
After the disc saga wilbur took a backseat in the writers room and it showed
Wilbur's efforts really made the story nail-biting, or i guess arm-biting
The stories individually were good(Quaquity´s was a masterpiece, it made me afraid of a Minecraft character because his voice acting was just.... perfect!), but once you tried to weave them together it wouldn't create a scarf but a ball of incomprehensible yarn. Tommi´s story for example should have ended right there where he got his discs back. had the SMP continued with Quaquity´s (or Ramboo´s) story as a follow-up in "continuity" the story would have been a banger, the issue is they didn't.
Don't get me wrong here I think Tommy is a great character still, but he pretty much got hamfisted in subplots where he had no stakes, BBH Red Egg, The Tubbo nuke (that one was a mess that led nowhere), and Jack Manifold´s story that also ended on a whimper that led nowhere, which feels disappointing, add onto this the fact that "new episodes" or "lore" took months to produce a follow-up and BANG! right there recipe for disaster (narrative disaster). All because they wanted to force Tommy into being the protagonist of the series (this is the same case with techno may he rest in peace) where he had nothing to do but repeat his past mistakes which he learned NOT to do anymore in the last arc he had, which made him frustrating to watch.
Dream´s character motivation reveal was a huge letdown, it was shown when it didn't matter anymore, nukes exploded anyway was the most anticlimactic thing (in a bad way) I have ever seen! it is the equivalent of "rocks fall everyone dies". All the HYPE around how menacing he is just to be horribly written. Sam was a better villain for example but they did him dirty because "DrEaM hAd A pOiNt!" (no he didn't but the narrative says so so STFU), The egg was a better villain (but is not a dream so off it goes to the bin! also let mock BBH for putting on effort and giving us an interesting spin on a Lovecraftian story instead of recognizing how well made it was, memes, mockery and cutting the story short! because nothing shows more respect than doing that! bravo!). Dream had the same problem as Tommy, he got hamfisted in conflicts that were not of that character´s interest + he was a terribly written character wich pathetic motivation is only rivaled by Cinder in RWBY if you had seen that.
"I just wAnTeD tHe SeRvEr To Be HaPpY aGaIn" -my ass! that´s the most unreliable shit ever, especially coming from a supposed leader of an ancient "cult" which got so powerful and influential GOD copied his shape to honor him.
Foolish had tremendous potential, but it was cut abruptly, so did Puffy, so did BBH, and so did the Kinoko kingdom.
Philza did basically nothing since he killed Wilbur, and Wilbur... oh boy WILBUR! same frustrating shit as a dream about a character that pretends to have a "plan" only to be nothing at the end.... why the fucking hype? it was all smoking mirrors but they wanted you to pretend they weren't and that sucked because it felt as if the writers believe you are STUPID, oh yeah also that time when everyone got an allergy to making lore, and rather than saying "Guys we don't want to do that at the moment we want to work on other projects" they instead began to bitch and moan about how STUPID lore was (my favorite is when Tubbo acted disinterested in Tommi´s funeral, got criticized by shitty voice acting, defended himself by saying he is not a "good voice actor", and then proving himself wrong 3 streams later)... this is like when Rick and Morty made the too many meta jokes to the point it got annoying. This connects to the point I brought up about continuity, which the writers apparently are allergic to, but simultaneously wanted to introduce Tommy, Techno, or Dream into all of the side stories, they lacked a vision past Lmanburg part 2, AND IT FUCKING SHOWS!
TLDR: My two gripes with DSMP are:
1)Finish a story and don't use a character that already went through an arc just to do it again, you make them feel redundant.
2) Don´t overuse your "celebrities" and hype them as a BIG character if they can't fucking deliver something good (Even if the SMP has your name, you were the worst written character, and the best contribution was being a ghost on Ramboo´s head) mald over this point all you want but deep down (and it hurts) it is true. Dream as a character was a HUGE letdown and I would have preferred ANYONE as the big bad but him.
I'm so late to the party it's not even funny! I stumbled onto the DreamSMP a few months ago and am playing catchup. From that perspective, it's hard to piece together the storyline and thanks to your video, I now understand why. That being said, there's something special there. The interaction between the characters, the plot lines, and such are entertaining. There is something watchable about it that does make you want to know what happens next. Now that it's over, I can skip between lore streams without having to wait for the next ones to be made available. Thank you for putting together this video. I found it informative and insightful!
It makes me happy to see people still getting into the story now
I would recommend BlueberryTV if you’re a new fan looking to get into dsmp. Also avoid Evanmcgaming I know the video recommends him but theyre very biased videos which skip over plotlines and focus on getting views not giving the viewer s true idea of the story 👍
@@owlvo exactly right. He featured tommy more in his video about the eggpire than Ponk, An actual member of the eggpire who's lore was wayyy more important to the egg arc than tommy.
well the wilbur stuff didn't age well
With the recent drama I've found myself coming back to this video a lot. Thank you for giving an actually nuanced perspective instead of just shitting on the smp because thats the popular thing to do. The smp was chaotic and kinda of a mess but thats why i love it so much and forever will. It was fun and helped me get through the pandemic and everything else that was happening at the time, so the fact that majority of the internet will remember it just for the constant drama and alligations (Wilbur being an abuser certainly made it worse) makes me incredibly sad. So again thank you for making this video.
16:12 well, that statement aged poorly
After Wilbur's character died, Tommy and Techno really carried the SMP, and after Techno's death, everything went downhill
I would agree with you; there were any cracks in the DreamSMP, and we can't blame the streams for it. After all, they are not professionals with the writing, and in a world where they were, I can still think of ways how it could have ended badly. Wilbur's revolution and Technoblade's ideas about anarchy still pull me back to DreamSMP's videos to this day, and this is why I am here in your comments today, lol. I really miss Technoblade, man... I quit watching Minecraft videos after he passed away.
Also @ChunkyNoster got any discord server for your community?
dsmp video?? in 2024?? this was a fucking life saver dude!!
as someone who loved dsmp since the server was made until now, this video meant a lot to me!! dsmp has always had a special place in my heart and seeing people still creating content around it makes me genuinely really happy :) loved this video man, keep up the work !!
“As far as anyone could tell, Wilbur was a very stable streamer”
Aged ljke milk.
I was just about to say that lmao
Dream is the final antagonist of the story, threatening, powerful but beatable.
Yet, Techno felt like a "force of nature" villain. Yes, you can run from Techno, but he WILL find you and wreck you.
And now most of them are getting canceled and shamed like Wilbur and his seemingly abuse in the form of biting and uh dream with his uh poor age decision of texting according to twitter that is
Who's here from Tommy's video?
"Wilbur, as far as any viewer can tell, is just a relatively healthy streamer"
NOT ANYMORE BUDDY
Something being "Cringe" doesn't matter as long as it made you happy
Personally I think the Prison Arc was what ruined the SMP, Dream SMP could've ended on a high note, by quite simply ending after the final clash between Tommy and Dream for the discs, Dream was the main antagonist of the SMP, and what did he become? Nothing but a backhanded inmate with no threat at all, sure he was a threat in the prison, but that lasted for like a week, no villain no drive, which caused the server to come crashing down, the Egg was a mistake in my opinion, its plot was good, but it came at the wrong time, and wasn't really introduced well, and of course Techno's death as well, I only cared about the SMP bc of the Egg and Techno, if the former came earlier but wasn't so important to some and so useless to others then it could've been significantly better, if the Egg was a proper antagonist that took over after Dream or Jschlatt as the antagonist, rather than a backthought for half the members and didn't ruin multiple characters in my opinion, eg ponk (Debatably),
Honestly, I had the same thoughts and the same reasonings. I used to tell all this to my friends who continued to follow DSMP even after the Finale, unlike me. It’s just… it’s just that. You summed everything I reasoned my stop at watching DSMP with perfectly. Thank you for the video ❤
Ah, damn
Now I’m nostalgic
Just be 2021 againnnnnnn
"Wilbur's character is the one with severe mental health issues, but Wilbur as far as any viewer can tell is just a relatively healthy streamer." Ohhh that like MILK. That aged So poorly. That aged HORRIFICALLY
Thanks for making me cry and accept that time no matter how much we don’t want it to, continues to move forward.
Nah bc this phase was cringe but it honestly it hit different
I remember how the fandom was just too much. I mean this when more and more creators got big so did the audience, everyday felt like content was needed and present. From the streamers, and fans. The amount of artists that came and graduated from the fandom was just pumping out the content. I would miss one stream whether DSMP related or not it feels so much to keep up. This SMP gave everyone awesome memories and entertainment when the pandemic happened. I am so glad to have been part of this but everything was jut too much to process
12:50 Moon knight is peak don’t compare it to she-hulk and Ironheart 😭
"and their symphony....forever unfinished"
Damn brother, you aren't half bad at writing yourself
I think the Dream SMP reached 1000x past what anyone could've imagined. They stumbled upon the best combination of characters, events irl and online and hype to create this mega viral story that influenced so many people.
We shouldn't worry about what the Dream SMP could've become, since it already became 100x that what anyone could have wished for.
Phenomenal video! I have been thinking a lot about how mc smp’s have been in the hole and this video you put together put all my thoughts and feelings into one. Thank you for immortalizing what was the Dream Smp. It truly was a era of true entertainment
In the dream smp finale, they showed us that they also missed the old server, before becoming complicated. The end is heartbreaking for this reason. In the end, Dream and Tommy finally get to play simply like two nice pals.
16:16 didnt aged well
i hadn't thought about the dsmp in a long while but man this video was amazing and took me back
“With there names engraved in history, and their sympathy forever unfinished” holy crap that hit like a truck
There's realistically 0 chance it could ever come back either, you've got the main writer turning out to be an domestic abuser, tommy and dream are no longer friends, most of smp members sided with quackity over the qsmp drama and technoblade is gone.
It would've have been impossible without all these people.
the egg plot may have been boring, but ironically its best apperance was in Tales of the SMP when it was Techno who was ranting about the egg as Ser Billiam
Made me like the DreamSMP more than the actual streams themselves, great video lol RIP Techno
personally speaking, dsmp died with techno's passing away. truly felt like there was nothing else to watch. and when dream got all those accusations. it just confirmed my huntch
ngl the only thing that made dsmp last as long was techno, thats just me idk what others think but thats how i see it. i noticed some decline after techno passed away and the story became bland
VERY well written video. amazing job
Hi
SAD-ist carried so hard
this is a great essay video and the end was such a wake up call and a slap in the face, keep going man!
I literally hated everyone there except Technoblade and Philza
13:06
Honestly I liked what bbh wrote, even tho it was a bit confusing it was pretty fun, tho I was watching it more in passing
I think another problem with dsmp was the amount of plot holes and lost plot lines like I remember how the whole kidnapping RUclipsrs to test the revival book never really went anywhere and that the egg plot just stopped for months
This feels like the perfect end to Dsmp. I stopped watching entirely after Technoblade, and haven't been in touch with anything smp related since then. This video brought me back to the old times where although chaotic, we'd all scream in techno's chat when he rang the bell and rewatch the sad-ist animations. Was the peak of minecraft but since we're all growing up and out of covid years, it would never happen again. Man, just really really miss Techno.
I friggin cried at the wilbur part man😀
honestly, i think what happened was covid ending, life was going on again, no one was home, no one had time for 5-6 hours of twitch streams. and after Techno's passing it was the final nail in the coffin for a dying community lost by time and age.
16:18 well that aged horribly 💀
dude. this was such a good video! your editing skills are amazing, and i love your delivery. great job, keep making videos!!! ill be here! :D
I stopped Watching anything from dsmp when Techno died..
for me, it was no fun without him. I loved his pov, his laughter, I loved him
and I think everyone felt the same way I did..
he was amazing and will always be on our hearts
we love you Technoblade, RIP🙏❤
and I think he would love QSMP
just like we do
I’m “in” the dsmp fandom, I suppose, I watch a lot of its fan content like animatics, but also I’ve never watched a single dsmp stream, only the recap videos so I can stay on top of the lore. I’m only in the fandom because I’m in the life series fandom and there’s a lot of overlap of life series fans and damp fans, and the fan creators also make dsmp stuff, so I just kinda got sucked into the fandom.
I personally can’t really stand looking at my old DSMP drawings, mostly because of the cringe, though I would say that DSMP had something that made me spark my creativity even more. I’m not ashamed that this has helped me to build up some foundation for writing AUs and developing mini-series that both me and my friends loved.
DSMP, to me, died because of the death of technoblade. He was one of the best Minecraft players I’ve seen and I couldn’t stand him passing on, it was truly heartbreaking to many people. Though I still did watch and knew some more plot relevance (personally I really liked ghostbur and his revival, with some tales of the smp), I was busy doing my own things with my AU and coming up with ideas for them.
I get sad whenever someone points out that it was cringe that they were a DSMP fan or they bullied someone that just liked it. It was comfort and a great creative outlet for many of us, and took me years to put the l’manburg flag off my wall. DSMP meant so much to me and helped me through dark times, it made me happy.
I really liked this retrospective, it doesn’t try to show many negative aspects or just blatantly insult it. Just shows what the main problem was and why it finished this way. Great video!
As a Wilbur sort Stan/fan. I agree 100% after Wilbur left the project in terms of writing the lore it had a noticeable dip in quality. Wilbur is a fantastic story teller and writer. And a lot of the things he creates do have a certain way to capturing, keeping and making your feel ways you may not have thought possible. It’s really a shame when people think Dream is the reason for the DSMPs success when it wasn’t. It was Wilbur. And it’s why I’m such a huge fan of
Edit for my second thought of the suggested reason to why it failed. And I’ll sa, I disagree, I don’t think it was the streamers forgetting how light hearted it was. But instead they kinda just had a release and didn’t think of way to explore or repair the relationships in lore. Because of Wilbur has said before during and after the smp he’s not the most mentally healthy guy, which is why I disagree with the idea that the characters were separate from their player. But it was 2 reasons. instead I think it was dreams allegations and scandals that demotivated him cause him to not really be looking good after the lore as he probably should have. And for the second one. I think it was a promise. Back when the egg lore was starting to pick up Tommy was unaware of bads lore. Which was NOT a good idea. It was promised to the audience that all of the lore was connected and would EVENTUALLY make sense. But that day never came. The creators began to stream less and less and more of the audience became less interested because nothing was happening and nothing was connected. Eventually everyone felt more salty I think because the end of the dream smp “in lore” was just a TPK. Total player kill. Everyone died. And was never spoken of again. That’s when my love finally hit the nail in the coffin. I was interested like much of the community was but as the creators began to not work together or have a leader or themes or events, it just flicked and flamed out. It was really sad. Great video! But coming from someone who was there from the beginning to the end, it just. Was disappointing.
Your editing is amazing dude, keep up the work man
16:11 wow this aged like a milk
Aged like a fucking red giant
Bruh 0:32 with captions is crazy💀
Such a high quality video good job
Jersey mentioned 🗣️🗣️
i love how techno just exists in the narrative to kick ass and maintain the streams interesting
This video is so good yet fucking cringe dude, good work
Personally speaking, the SMP's biggest strength was one of its' weaknesses: The fact everyone had their own POV (sans Dream who intended himself a villain through and through at the start)
Sure, getting to see anybody's view is nice, great even for people really in love with the characters or only want to see certain streamers specifically, but completionists like me see that it's feels like a chore. Especially since VODs were all over the place and it wasn't clear what was and wasnt' nessecery to watch to understand the lore
Also it devolved into complete misery. Too much angst, too little fluff.
And while I have nothing but respect for each and every *_Content Creator_* I do have gripes with how their _characters_ (emphasis on characters) and culpability were handled
Forgive me if I misinterpret anythin as my memory is less than steller and I've only seen so many VODs, plus what I say is about the characters exclusively who are *fiction* and not a judgement of the real people behind them but
Holy *_FUCK_* were the narratives lacking in self-awareness.
C!Technoblade chooses to kill C!Tubbo and blames it on peer pressure, then beats C!Tommy to death for daring to be justifiably enraged about it. C!Techno calls L'Manburg's people tyrants and traitors for daring to stand up to one (C!Schlatt). He destroys the living space of a people. _C!Phil willingly kills his son and refuses to take the blame for it_
The Doomsday Trio completely destroy L'Manburg alongside the library of C!Wilbur when he was a ghost. They destroy the literature and history of a whole people irreparably and we know this with how the Tales From The SMP video covering L'Manburg history specifically shows how butchered it has become in the far, far future.
Even if L'Manburg did do something to provoke this (which is didn't) completely ruining their history like that is something even my "Fiction isn't reality!" bliss brain won't freaking ignore
Like, my fucking god an entire culture's history is mangled without repair in sight, _C!Fundy is mistaken for and dehumanized as his own father's _*_pet_* by a _historian_
C!Niki's mental health is clearly destroyed post Doomsday with how she joins with the people who twice over destroyed her country and killed her people, and it's never potrayed as the gross manipulation it is. C!Phil and C!Techno took advantage of one of their victims, acting like they were her found family even though they ruined her real found family from L'Manburg as much as they did her.
They are never meaningfully called out or punished for this.
This is just one grossly shortened example of suffocating misery that is just too much, and with how much of a time-costly investment watching all the content is, how could I stick around and not instead focus all my attention on fanfiction with a much better balance between fluff and angst, and not worry about emotionally burn out?
It sucks how Techno wanted to do stuff on the server but no one else wanted to. Even Dream said he was just being too lazy.
I had a lot of fun watching the DSMP during lockdown. I would binge watch streams, fan animation, and Tik tok compilations. Even though it was very messy and hard to follow, I loved the feeling of watching chat freak out over a new plot twist in the story and reading the comments of the fan animation videos I loved. I didn’t enjoy how the DSMP ended, but I loved the entire process of learning its story. Now I binge watch QSMP streams and technically following the same phase I went through with the DSMP. I don’t know how the QSMP is going to be looked at in the future, but I know that I am loving my time on it now as much as I loved my time on the DSMP when I was a 15-16.
Don’t cry because it’s over. Smile because it happened - Dr Seuss
We never see CyberKnife to come to the story, that probably a comedy theme storyline techno planning
I think it would have survived a year of so if Techno did not die, he has a lot of good ideas and has executed when in the latter half of the story. His death is a massive blow to an already declining server.
More so, it would have been better if it was seasonal.
I know this is a stupid thing to point out in a video focused on something else, but since I've watched the whole series, I feel obligated to speak on this. There is no point in SAO where Kirito dies and comes back to life. The closest thing would probably be the end of the first arc, where he persists past a fatal injury in the game world to kill his attacker, but then he dies in the game moments later. The reason he didn't die in the real world is because the creator had a manual control for the brain-fryer device that he didn't activate.
THIS IS AN AMAZING VIDEO, thank you for making it. I am speechless and this video deserves a huge outreach. the ending gave me goosebumps, truly an unfinished symphony
While im glad so many people had a new minecraft adventure to be excited about and enjoy, i never really could get into it. I enjoyed most of the people in it individually but always found tommy too obnoxius and exagerated, i know that was the point but he went too overboard with it. And another thing, which ill admit wasnt their fault, is how sereously people took it and how they made it out to be like the most groundbreaking and well written story, which it clearly wasnt, it was just a fun thing some friends did with a story. Imo it deffinately suffered from being to popular and not knowing when to stop
the dream smp was so magical for me and has formed one of my biggest interests probably ever. i hate that people are hating on it now, and appreciate your outlook on what it could have been, the downfalls but also what it had to offer. at the end of the day, it still was a bunch of people having fun, but in different ways. but i totally agree with most of your points. i do have to argue though, that the separation of character and streamer, and a deeper delve into the characters, as well as all of the different plot lines (despite it being VERY messy), is soemthing im so glad happened, because it created something great. as someone who didn’t watch the dream smp with huge expectations, i found that it never let my expectations down, and inspired fan work that exceeds what the dream smp could do, through writing, art and even music. even years after the dream smp basically ended, people are still using these stories and characters to create unique, original work. and i think because of how convoluted the dream smp was, is why some of this is even possible :)