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"well known high quality" lmao his staff and content are a joke. Kicked me outa the 1.7 prison event for no reason. What a garbage host. MagicGum is WAY better than ish.
Ish videos are like seasonal big budget animes, they're extremely well made but goddamn do they take time to make and only come out every year or so and leaves us empty.
Bro U r legit the only one who will take an important characters last words, scour the Internet for the song that contains them, and use it in the final act. Ur Insane.
In my opinion, the thing that makes Ish’s videos better than the others is the climax. Instead of forcing a war at the end that all players knew would happen, Ish allowed the players to do what they want, resulting in a much more organic climax and then a more emotional ending.
To be fair, he did nudge the war in the most recent video. He definitely wasn't hands-off for that. I mean, the war was gonna happen regardless, but he sort of decided when and where it would happen, and semi-forced some groups to join it instead of doing their own separate wars, because he wanted there to be a climactic battle.
That's quite literally what he doesn't do, people in his last event came out to say how scripted and fake it was, especially the last battle brah he's a fraud 😂
@@UglyBoyForeverLonelyAgain That's not true at all. Yes, the last battle was nudged and felt a little scripted for some people, but other than that, the actual event was entirely player-led and extremely organic, apart from player pre-planning. Now, there were a number of things he changed for the video, but that's just a matter of adaptation. It's like adapting a novel into a movie. You're gonna cut out, add, and change some things to make it work in the new medium. And that's what he did. But the actual event was by and large unscripted, and players had tons of freedom. This is speaking as someone who was in the event, survived to the end, and decided for story reasons to not participate in the final war.
One of the greatest parts about Ish's videos are how the villains feel... natural. Case in point, with the video you used as Ish's example, Elanuelo felt like a genuine character first, a villain second. He had his own ideals as to how his kingdom should be handled, ideals viewers can somewhat resonate with. But its through equally genuine turns of events that you see Elanuelo's character begin to turn for the worse, & you see him begin to do increasingly unhinged things in order to protect his ideals, without him stopping to realize what he's doing for them. In contrast, most "villains" in other people's civilizations videos stem from some form of 'Bwaah, I lost the election phase, so rather than respect that people don't like my leadership style, I'm gonna utterly derail our team's chances of winning for my own benefit." A lot of them boil down to "[Candidate Who Didn't Win X], teamed up with {Random Player Y], waltzed up to [Team Leader Z], assassinated them in broad daylight, & somehow the people just... accepted them as the new leader of their group." No suspicion, no repercussion, nothing. That feels way more scripted, especially when its been done to death by this point.
i completely agree, and it definitely doesn’t help when it’s the same exact players doing it each time on some of these channels, but are allowed to keep being in the events due to them becoming popular or being mods.
@@javajawa9068 Yeah, when it comes to SpeedSilver's events & Ize, the fact that Ize only shows in Silver's videos, & given his main trait is his drowning toxicity, it really makes you question whether its just a persona, or if he's really as toxic as he seems.
In my opinion it works the best because every player literally can make themselves the main character. You can lead a powerful nation or try to destroy one. Its great to be a part of.
for me, the greatest stories are those with no main characters, because then everyone is their own main character. Off-topic but that's exactly why FF6 is my favorite Final Fantasy
I think one of the most incredible things Ish manages to do, which he first did in his Prison video and hasn't really done to the same extent since, is he uses god damn leitmotifs by use of the stems Epidemic Sounds provides you with use of specific sounds. In certain places during the prison video, certain melodies or instrumentals from specific songs are used to signal certain ideas or characters, such as the warden, and when the climax of those stories arise, he uses the full song which he took that stem from, which is absolutely insane. I don't think I've ever seen a youtuber soundtrack quite like that.
He also will modify the music slightly to fit the moment or cut the video to fit the music. In his breakdown of the 1000 player civilization video, he talked about one particular moment where he added a sound to the music to make it more impactful/ominous. And in the example shown in this video of the sand trap, you can see how the player death sounds all happened on beat.
As is mentioned in the video. Until the end, the song is perfect. One thing to note other than how it became an anthem, the way the battle of aculon was shot without narrative, just the music, players' occasional voices, and the scenes REALLY brought the strength of the scene amplified by the song's tune. Ish is simply very very good at production, albeit he nudged a few things in that event, it's still a very good product, music can amplify emotions, and ish knows how to use that.
I think another key thing that not many people talk about is how ish balances player enjoyment during the event and quality of the outcome. Almost every other civ event owner forces players to go down the standard path like you said and ish doesnt. Sometimes its messy but ish does a good job picking and choosing what to include to make a good story as well as adding sometimes false details to make a messy plot more complete.
There was also a video which showcased the stuff and scenes that Ish didn't include in his video It's like a biased narrator being pushed to the side by the witnesses (There's also a video which had bloopers and funny moments that happened during the production, I love Ish's storybuilding)
People hate this part of it but I actually love how symbolic it is. Ish interferes with the plot sometimes(most notably the desert arc) to make a better plot. Thing is, the players can make their own videos of their experiences. This is like with real life, where history is told by the Victors, where they make themselves seem like the good guys and in the complete right. Whereas someone on the losing side will be biased too, but they know what went on from their POV. I just find that to be beautiful and bittersweet.
i think a lot of ppl conflate the video ish puts out vs the actions he takes during the event he can edit it to look however he wants and i don't rlly have an issue with it since it's for the plot, but forcing a narrative on the players like other youtubers do to create a plot is when it becomes uninteresting. like i watched some ark player civilization vid and the host forced 1 team to ambush another team while they were vulnerable and gave them in game grenades, which is just dumb and boring imo
Since Minecraft itself doesn't have a set objective (unless if you count freeing the end) I also think its a wise choice by ish to not require players to complete any set tasks. It keeps the Minecraft's original charm while adding on his own spin to it.
Ish is basically just a passive observer watching the world unfold. The fact he doesn't do anything special is what makes it so great, because it feels _real._ When I watch the videos, I see a lot of similarities with how things unfold in the real world. It's unpredictable and *_anything_* could happen next, to the point that it feels like I'm watching real history. Almost every other "experiment" just feels rigged and you can basically see how things would pan out from the start, but ish's are something I always look forward to because of how unique they end up being.
i always love how in Ish's videos the conflicts are caused by people being people and just trying to survive and fulfill their ideolgies. So much more entertaining and natural than the other ones who make forced conflicts that make it feel like its a Hypixel minigame on a large scale
igblon is pretty good in his own right, i actually plan on making a video about him, his space civilization video is definitely the most interesting progression wise
However, I would also say that igblon's civilization video only worked due to the sheer amount of content that nomifactory had, and other civilization videos with simpler mods don't have the same appeal as igblon's
Just watched it. I def want more export modded servers in the future. I think the inherent grindiness and definite tiers helped shape the story of space civ into what it was. But I wish we got to see what the other non-combatant factions were up to. My favorite things in civilization are stuff like the resturaunt a and taverns, but that’s because that’s what I’d do. I also don’t like igblon’s editing style, so I hope other RUclipsr’s tackle this kind of civ video
the gregtech youtuber? yeah it was kinda confusing to watch tbh, and i feel like his videos rely to much on sensory overload in the form of bombarding the audience with memes to be interesting. not that im complaining
I think another very important thing to note that makes ish simply better, is his way ability to structure his stories. If you watched some of his analysis streams you would know that some events were put out of order, and some lines/scenes were rerecorded or slightly altered. These slight changes make his videos way more interesting to watch, as it changes the feeling of a bunch of people play a game together to a well thought out movie. He is able to take events that happened in his experiment and turn them into a well written story.
It was pretty annoying when I randomly got back into Minecraft and stumbled upon civilization videos, naturally MagicGum and Ish were the first that I was recommended as they were the most popular, but man trying to find good Civilization vids after that has been hard... Like the video says, it's always a gimmick and an objective that creates a predictable pattern in these videos, but I still think about Ish's Prison video and the moment when the guy jumped off. Isn't it crazy? I hardly remember the context but that moment alone is burned into my memory because of how POWERFUL it was.
And also the difference between how Jaw died in a courtyard full of people while the prison was secure vs Solev died in an empty courtyard in a prison with no funding. My roman empire
Great video man! Not only just looking into Ish and his style, but also music choices and the comparing and contrasting of other Civ YTers. A great video indeed. Keep it up mate!
Something I've noticed is that ish's biggest civilization video feels similar to the Chinese story structure, 起承轉合 (qi cheng zhuan he), or beginning rise, gathering, turning crescendo, and wrapping-up. Combine this with the political intrigue and you basically just made the perfect story for me.
I agree, ish did something I really respect, he actually simulated civilization. In all other videos it was last man standing, and constant war, but ish let it play out, there were times of peace, and small conflicts, and in the 1000 people one, it all lead up to a world war. The great aculon war wasn’t even force apon the players (unless it was scripted, but even then it would be great story writing) by some weird event the admins planned, but by natural cuases
Agreed. This is why I don't like all other civ videos now. Because they most of the don't actually try to simulate what a functioning civilization in Minecraft would be like. In fact, a lot of the time, they tend to be nothing more than scripted battleroyales
@@rency1803 Apparently what happened is, the sides were naturally going to fight, but Ish came in and basically said, it would just be better if we finished it here and did a climax for the story and just kinda moshpitted all the conflicts into one.
Can confirm this happened for s2. In addition this haopened for state 2.5. At least 2 wars were going to happen, but they were moshpit into 1. Cant wait for yall to watch it had a diff feel from the s 1 and 2 war.
I laughed a little bit when you said that ish’s experiments will always be different because in state it was a running joke that season 2 was just season 1 with 1000 players because the snow island was tyrannical, plains island almost killed each other but missed that by a slim margin, 2 main desert factions, (basically) a civil war in the jungle island, everyone ended up ganging up on snow, and the snow leader fell from a high place. I just thought that was funny. Anyways, great video! I loved it a lot
Adding to this, although Ish's upload schedule certainly doesn't need to be as slow as it is, this does add to the experience of each upload. Some Minecraft Civ creators churn out videos so quickly that their novelty wears off just as fast, raising the risk of audience burnout. By contrast, Ish is pretty good at building a steady hype train for his videos, such that each upload becomes a MOMENTOUS occasion.
I personally think that other civ videos aren't that bad (hell, I even like SpeedSilver's videos). It's just that Ish's amazing talent in storytelling and suspense is what make his videos stand out the rest, and it's something that everyone can agree on.
for me though personally I just can't watch anyother civ video that isn't ish's anymore. I tried to find more after watching all of ish's videos, but I would click off about five minutes in.
Ish does it better in making a civilization video. I was in his 1000 MASSIVE civilization video and he did very amazing in creating a spectacular story of us playing in the event.
I was in a civilisation event and it lasted about an hour before a team learned that they could build over the barriers separating civilisations and killed everyone.
To this day I STILL get goosebumps from that final battle 9:07 I'm glad someone decided to show these civilation-tubers what a real "World War" looks like
Glad that I've finally had this GEM of a video show up on my recommended! While Ish was editing his Season 2 video, I would be in a call with him sometimes due to him needing me to re-do a line for better audio quality. He would show me the parts he was working on. When I watched the scene of my death, with the cinematography, and music slowly dying out to leave just a slow heart beat..... wow. This guy's on another level. Happy to have worked with him/to work with him in the future! Great video Chunky :)
i LOVED every players character arc. everyone was so spread out in every video and became so memorable! and when i see those player’s users in other ppls videos i can’t help but smile and think “omg it’s --!!”
Editing is often taken for granted in RUclips videos. But Ish's editing (I mean like, actually putting everything together, not just effects and transitions) is legit incredible to see in a RUclips video. It feels professional somewhat, like a movie or documentary. The whole story is told In a cohesive yet completely different way that you would not see anywhere else. It's like if youtube Minecraft challenges were sophisticated entertainment something that would be paid to see. Maybe he has experiences on editing for shows or film or has an interest on it. Bc OUGHH it's so good
For me, i just loved the consideration they put into choosing the shots for the video. The small things like details in the background, choosing the right sequence and using symbolism or imagery to get an emotion across. What really hit me was the short scene of the couple who got married and officially honored by AFreakingTurkey, only for the wife to mourn over the husbands grave in the graveyard.
I think IGBLON has the best 100 player video ever. Like no shity scripted events, no goofy ah variables just pure chaos and memes that overwhelm your brain every 5 seconds. IGBLON video is the only 100 player videi that I have rewatched since this trend has started.
Ish’s Minecraft civilization videos were my first introduction to the genre and it’s like eating the best cake in the world before having even tried cake before. I’ve since watched other Minecraft civilization challenges from a number of other content creators, and although they’re great in their own right, they do have a clear and discernible formula that takes away from the storytelling that Ish always nails in his own challenges (for the reasons you stated in the vid). Seriously, the way the man let’s players organically build their own stories and then weaves those stories into an epic, cinematic masterpiece with emotional beats and epic climaxes is on another level. Every challenge is well worth the wait
I genuinely cannot get over how cool and detailed your analysis skills are... they're unironically what I feel like English teachers are looking for in students LOL The way you compared Silver's and Ish's storytelling, how Ish rises the tension in a more of a "show, don't tell" way is something I definitely feel like a lot of RUclips is missing nowadays... It's like to understand a story, people think we need to be spoon fed, but it isn't really the case, as apparent by how effective that one scene from Ish (which I've never even seen before) and how it literally had me on the edge of my seat wondering what was going to happen. And THANK YOU for mentioning sound design... I believe it's the 1 most underrated aspect of a video (just as a note, if you used any music that was Creative Commons, which I think I heard in the intro, you might want to credit the people who made it, if not necessarily the specific song, just cuz of future copyright claims ;)) Hats off to you man, I'm looking forward to what else you make :)
What’s cool about ish, is that he uses the story that is seen in the experiment, and then really makes you feel as if you were part of it, he also uses music to create this effect.
I remember that civilization video for season 2 started during last summer in like, 2022. I actually ended up joining the Aculon Empire then during the first few days but stopped participating bc of time constraints that I had to deal with. But honestly, the wait was absolutely entirely worth it - it took a whole /year/ for the video to finally come out, and it honestly deserves every view that it gets.
Ish just has something about him that really gets me invested in the story. It’s like reading a really good book. It keeps you coming back for more. Ive watched Ish’s civilization videos many times and yet I never get bored of it. Ish truly knows how to captivate his audience.
I feel like a problem with a lot of civilizations is that the youtuber makes themselves the main character of the video, giving them screentime that they may not always deserve.
This. I like how ish stayed out of the action, where other youtubers would have been part of a team to give a more "firsthand" narration. Problem is, you can't be God and the common man at the same time. One or the other
Something else that I think is worth mentioning about ish's videos is the quality of the cinematography. He uses SO MANY camera angles and dynamic viewpoints that transforms his videos from watching a Minecraft let's play recounting to watching a proper drama and story. (For example, the jungle meeting with the trap floor. The frequent switching of perspectives makes the viewers feel stressed as dialogue escalates, while he still manages to get some a lot of fantastic angles of the sand trap, all of which happened in a few seconds of real-world time!)
About Ish's narration and that example, he also mentioned the trap earlier for those paying close attention, and all the feet shots made you think about it more and more until you felt so satisfied you figured it out 0.02 seconds before the trap was pulled (My experience. Now hoping for a sequel)
I think one of the best aspect of ish's videos is the players. They add the emotion and drama, they also adds the entertainment of the video. Ish is a genius.
8:40 something that i saw no one talking about, was how this song starts with "time can never be your trusted friend". The same thing that Wazz0ck said before he got executed.
i immediately thought of what Wazz0ck said before his death when i heard this song playing during the final battle, but i was surprised that i couldn't find a single comment about this
I was in Ish's latest civilization event (the 1000 players, the one with Aculon) and it was great to play! We all did our own thing, Ish didn't tell us what to do, it was everyone's choice. I joined Aculon in the beginning because there were some people in the Ish discord server talking about it and I was unvited; no one made me join
@@bramijdema759 i defected the day after Turkey's death. I wasn't on the day of, but when i heard from my cohort what happened they said to get the fuck out. I died just before the battle committing some espionage and stealing resources from Aculon. I stole quite a lot, as just having my aculon shield and acting like i was supposed to be there, I got in. The problem was the lag. It wasn't very clear in the final video, but that giant tower was lag CITY. It was so ridiculous the amount of lag because of how many players there were in the same area. So basically i was climbing the ladder and the lag caused me to fall off, right into the lava inside the tower :,)
DAAANG the song being used twice to unconsciously make the viewer feel a certain familiar emotion is pretty DAMN close to into and across the spiderverse sound design and that is a HUGE compliment..that’s crazy
I personally don't care that much about civilization videos in Minecraft, I vaguely remember seeing like 2 of them and don't even remember whose it was or what it was about, but I still nonetheless really enjoyed this video because how well you managed to put out all your points (And of course the big words you used, using specific terminology in the right way is a surefire way to earn my respect at least). Ish does really seem like a good creator, even if I've never seen his videos, and especially the civilizations one.
I remember after watching all of ish's videos, i tried to find other civilization videos to watch, but every single other non-ish video made be bored and usually led me to click off the vid within the first minute. The high-quality presentation of his vids along with his storytelling and narration make it special. His prison video still remains my favourite minecraft video to date.
Me too! Once I watched Ish I couldnt stand everyone else. Same happened with the 100 days trend. Found shadowmech and couldnt watch anyone else, except for forge labs.
Honestly i really like that he doesnt often actually join in the event, he just narrates it. I love this approach because you get to know what the other teams are doing insead of the youtuber.
For the last part, its not only for Ish who must gets more creativity in the future, but its the people who were aspired to do civilization videos AND the old ones who fell off due to repetitiveness.
I’ve never heard of this genre of Minecraft content before but just seeing you talk about it makes it seem so cool. I’ve been looking for civilization content for a little bit now not knowing what it was called but I think now I have the perfect RUclips channel to start watching :D
With other civ RUclipsrs, it's clear that while there is some wiggle room, they want the participants to do the motions and run down the path they've laid out. Ish gives everyone much more freedom, which leads to character who feel so much more real.
I agree with the story stuff, ish's video's are set up great, Magic Gum had a great idea, but Ish's storytelling put him above and beyond him. For the other youtubers however, i don't think just better storytelling would save their videos, nearly every single non ish and magic gum civilisation video i've watched seems pretty much just like a few groups duking it out until the end, and the only way to make it slightly more different and interesting is to change the scenario's environment so they have another video. They completely lack any correlation to the word civilisation pretty much, Ish and Magic Gums videos have that, my only complaint regarding their videos is how they spread the players out so that they continue to be in smaller groups, rather then forcing them into smaller areas with less resources, so having a civilisation that works effectively becomes neccesary, albeit trying not to fall into the trap of directly telling the players what to do. Good video 👍
While MagicGum may have kick-started the trend, and maybe he did come up with the idea on his own, he's arguably not the first person. ibxtoycat's realm experiments were in a lot of ways smaller scale versions of this format, and predate MagicGum's videos by a few years.
I don’t know, I think MagicGum’s willingness to simply let events unfold as they will and presenting them as they are makes for more interesting content. Ish tends to reframe and “modify plot points” (his words) to tell a specific narrative, as was brought to light following his 1000 Player Civ, and turns actual server events into very Hollywoodized Historical Fiction complete with “Good Guys” and “Bad Guys” and fabricated sequences of events. MagicGum, at least from what I know, presents what actually happened in a manner that’s easy to follow, without reframing events or placing anyone on a moral or ethical scale. We see what players actually did and how they shaped the world without biased revisionism and typecasting. It makes for a far more interesting MineCraft civilization experiment when the videographer presents the sociological narrative created by the players rather than fudging the lens to create a heavily dramatized version. I love Ish’s videos, but at the end of it what I’m seeing is a fairly fictionalized narrative, rather than an honest rendition of server history. I think MagicGum’s videos are better for that.
The battle of The Iron Torch with Until the World ends playing in the background was in my opinion the greatest piece of Minecraft cinematography ever made
Minecraft Civ videos are a tightrope most content creators can't walk. From setting up the internal infrastructure to run an event that can handle ~1000 players while properly moderating and keeping track/recording the in-game roleplay/combat for a prolonged amount of time is nuts. While the videos will always do well, it's the sort of niche that has to be driven by passion rather than a monetary goal. Because the second a creator crosses the line is the same second player engagement becomes second to money. I genuinely believe the Civ niche could utilize Objectives in a narrative focused way or benefit from a shorter time frame if done right. But as it stands, a lot of the other civ creators are more focused on pumping out glorified battle royales. One creator in particular (I forget whom) fully paywalled the chance of getting into his Civ experiments and it was such a put off for me. Ish and a few others have nailed a really cool formula of videos that I'd love to see expanded on in the future, but it's a shame that it's such a game of chance when watching new civ videos on if they'll be enjoyable or not. (If anyone actually reads this, save for Magicgum & Ish any recommendations?)
I think an important argument for ish is also the wording of his narration and the voice over in general. Especially in comparison to SpeedSilver, one can notice the more dynamic and intersting tone of voice that ish uses, whereas SpeedSilver speaks so monotonous, that the suspension is additionally dampened. And then also the wording. I have noticed, that in many civ videos, when a group for example comes up with a plan and you just listened in to their conversation, many narrators repeat the same exact information that was clear from the convo you just heard. Ish doesn't do that. Maybe from time to time there is a short summary, but usually it is only later on, as a reminder what that group was talking about before we switched to another group. And overall the wording is precise and adding suspension, as shown in this vid here.
ish's videos are just- amazing. They're so intense and it's amazing seeing what people can do by just playing in the same server for long enough. I cried while watching 1000 player civilization.
In all honesty, I only watch Ish's civ videos now, and this is why. Honestly some of the few youtube videos I would consider rewatching. Glad I'm not the only one who sees his quality!
The one i love Ish videos is he's a great story teller and made every happening in the game entertaining, also his editing in transitions, effects, music adds up and made the event dramatic
This reminds me of Third Life in a way. I love all of the seasons fully, yes, but something about the original, with no gimmicks other than "three lives, kill when on red" made for SUCH fantastic dynamics and stories. Again, I adore every one of the seasons and love the dynamics that played out there (particularly dl Pearl and the Clockers and the Bad Boys) but there's something wonderful about how the Desert Duo and the Red Army naturally formed and came to war with each other. That dynamic would never have occurred in any other of the seasons because of the rules set in place to _discourage_ Red and Greens teaming up in the first place.
How does this video only have 500,000 views? You did an excellent job on this deep analysis of Ish's videos. You brought your points out really well and everything.
What makes Ish's videos great is him literally changing the narrative of the story, changing what actually happened to create a better story for the vid.
I always wanted to witness a truly dynamic civilization styled event in Minecraft where players had diplomacy and created their own kingdoms and story and Ish came in and delivered on that perfectly surprising everyone. Just pure awesome narration *everything felt natural, nothing was forced or heavily scripted it really did feel like you were in that world as if it was real!* plus the music was definitely key with how well it was implemented. But bravo sir very well made video sure hope your channel gets more subscribers this is very underrated!
As a history/government stuff buff i like how Ish doesnt take away the story by not explaining how the government is, or atleast what TYPE of government it is. Ive seen videos where nations are FORCED to elect someone and to me its like "Well what if someone wants to forge a dictatorship or something". This is a side effect of having no clear objective, the players decide there world. They arent in preset teams, they can divide themselves, kinda like how nations or cultures do. Also i for one hate the gimmick minecraft civ, to me its like 100 days where when u add gimmicks the video looses some of its original appeal. Magicgum and a few others handle it well by not making things too insane. Thats just ny opinion tho.
i think what contributed to ish's success is that the long wait between videos made his videos like a novelty of sort, not like sword or other creators which churn out civilization or 100 player videos every few or so weeks; plus all of his civilization videos are with pure vanilla, not with mods or anything, just plain survival with some changes with the map using world edit, which def made the experience not a absolute total culture shock
Great video, another point that needs to be considered is that there is no admin intervention, no special event, or forced segregation of teams. It allows for a more organic video which, especially compared to the more scripted videos out there, makes Ishs videos more popular.
Hell, I'd say even with a gimmick, ish's would do well because of his hands-off approach. Like, even something as the Origins Mod would add just the right amount of spice and subtlety that would complement ish's style.
He wasn't exactly hands-off, but I can agree. EJK did have an elaborate kidnapping plot to bait all of Theria into killing itself, but Ish stepped in and said "If you want revenge, have it by participating in the Battle for Aculon; doing this will make the plot confusing for viewers." Ish also lied about Darivit's (I think that's how you spell it?) death, as he made it seem as though he died shortly after the Sultan did. In reality, his death came at the hands of a player during the Battle of Aculon, shortly after Elaneulo died.
@@takedown205productions6 Oh? I assume the sources are from the videos by folks who participated in the event? I haven't watched those yet, so I'll just have to take your word for it. Although, next time list your sources. Claims like this are what sparks flame wars, and I think we've had enough wars this year.
@@jocosesonata ruclips.net/video/e-Gsq1V-MEU/видео.htmlsi=4ABuvDkE9Z4b3uL8 Probably should've done that to begin with, so thanks for reminding me. ^^" ... But yeah, EJK's perspective was rather unique in that it featured his point of view with The Emerate, and it even showed a kinder side of the Sultenate that Ish didn't show for narrative's sake.
@@takedown205productions6 Oh what!? That's so unfair! No, not the video, or you showing it to me. But the fact that you can post links. I thought links get shadow-deleted almost immediately. Anyway, yeah, hopefully he does become more hands-off in future civilization vids, so things will be much more interesting., dynamic, and natural. Cause otherwise it'll just become like the rest of "there will always be war at the end". Although, I can make an exception for Sipover's pro players vid, cause that was just amazing. On that note, I really think adding some subtle twists would liven up his civilization vids. Such as the Create mod. That alone would add another level of dynamics into the world. The civilization would be more... uh... civilized. And maybe other mods that would make the world bigger and have better world generation. You know, subtle stuff like that. More hands-off + subtle non-gamebreaking mods, that would spice up his videos.
@@jocosesonata This is the first time I've ever linked a video, since most people never trust clicking on them. Lol Anyways, it would've been really interesting to see how the Emerate would handle the conflict, post-Battle of Aculon, since The Allies would've been rather weakened. The little sub-plot of dismantling Theria, probably would've played a special role in dwindling a portion of The Allies, giving Aculon a chance to hold out a bit longer. It would've made any further conflicts in the desert way more interesting, as anyone dealing with the Emerate would've been met with cunning and stealth (since somehow EJK had a nack for sneaking into discords during the event.) Also, definitely mods like Create cause, giving credit where credit is due, Ish did show off how industrious the Plains and even the Jungle was; both factions as well as Snow likely benefitting a ton off of mods that compliment their creativity! It'd be a lot to handle, since the mod itself is very extensive, but it would be really cool!
I got back into Minecraft recently because of Ish's video. Me tending to binge new things I like to death, I watched a variety of other civilization videos but none of them matched Ish's. Now I understand why
i have never heard of either of you before this video but this was a fascinating watch! the use of suspense and music is just a great way to tell a story, even if you weren't doing a civilization video.
This video is Awesome! It points out the issues that I've even noticed myself with other civ vids. I recently recorded a rp civ vid (that I have yet to edit) that fits more of the criteria that you stated but there's a few things I did during it that I could definitely improve on my next one. However I whole-heartedly agree that doing civ events with players, letting them formulate their own story that you can work with as the creator to tell is the right way to go. Regardless, Genuinely going to save this vid for later!
Hey there, Overall the video had good intensions, pushing for longer civ events over single day run events, though i feel u left out alot of context... - Within this video u failed to mention how Ish's civ events take months of editing with his events running over the course of 14 days (2 weeks) of playtime for players. Silver & Swords events only range around One day run events or 3 / 4 day run events, meaning of course storyline build up will be pushed faster due to timing. - When it comes to player mass in civ events, me being someone who has played in both ish events, sword events & Silver events, I can say these single day events / 4 day events run alot smoother for average players over the 2 week long event that feel 'dragged out' over the long period of running time for the players in-game. Though this may result in a stronger more story driven video, It loses players to more than natural rates just to boredom / repetition. - Overall saying ish's video are more 'creative / authentic' is a bit of a stretch due to the editing time being over 8 months between each video compared to silver & swords being monthly in general. - i wish within the research for this video u reached out to players who have actually taken part in all of these different events just for better context, i feel u are missing alot of substance due to the mis-information about certain run times / actually event play-through. None the less thank you for the video, it is overall a good video just missing key contexts to why ish's event have more heavily endorsed storylines, if these context areas were filled then this video would be a lot more reliable. 💙
Ish feels like a cameraman recording a documentary of sorts. He even interviews people in the story like he is talking to a witness or someone divulging their motivations about an event. While sometimes he puts in some sort of event for a nudge towards conflict, the story is almost always the people's doing. He is but a Watcher recording what is happening in the world, sharing their stories.
I really like that ish tells the story from more of a unbias, omnipresent, point of veiw. When the youtuber themselves is in the civilazation it ruins the irony because you already know they are going to live through the entire video, they will know the effects of the mod, and the personal feelings of players won't be accurately. Word from the other players alone. An example is in a video MARCUSK made when Perspective's PD attacked Diamond's guards it showed us that some were scared when one said "I dont wanna die". I liked that a lot. It brought out more emotion in me than just saying "Perspective's PD killed Diamond and the remaining guards were killed off or put in jail".
but if you watch all the videos from the people playing, ish removed there stories, like he removed a major story in the desert. ish also lied about the players fighting by bringing everyone who died in it came back. he also brought players in throughout the video that wasn’t show, Magicgum is just better
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"well known high quality" lmao his staff and content are a joke. Kicked me outa the 1.7 prison event for no reason. What a garbage host. MagicGum is WAY better than ish.
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I ate a vending machine. Ngl
Ish videos are like seasonal big budget animes, they're extremely well made but goddamn do they take time to make and only come out every year or so and leaves us empty.
I just love it when people notice what I do with music! haha great video sir 👍👍
Oh my god 😮
Improve your upload schedule ish!!
Holy shit this means so much ty!
Bro was here early
Bro U r legit the only one who will take an important characters last words, scour the Internet for the song that contains them, and use it in the final act. Ur Insane.
In my opinion, the thing that makes Ish’s videos better than the others is the climax. Instead of forcing a war at the end that all players knew would happen, Ish allowed the players to do what they want, resulting in a much more organic climax and then a more emotional ending.
To be fair, he did nudge the war in the most recent video. He definitely wasn't hands-off for that. I mean, the war was gonna happen regardless, but he sort of decided when and where it would happen, and semi-forced some groups to join it instead of doing their own separate wars, because he wanted there to be a climactic battle.
ish does actually force certain things to not happen for the "plot"
Subtlety is key. He gives them a gentle nudge rather than an admin deus ex machina.
That's quite literally what he doesn't do, people in his last event came out to say how scripted and fake it was, especially the last battle brah he's a fraud 😂
@@UglyBoyForeverLonelyAgain That's not true at all. Yes, the last battle was nudged and felt a little scripted for some people, but other than that, the actual event was entirely player-led and extremely organic, apart from player pre-planning.
Now, there were a number of things he changed for the video, but that's just a matter of adaptation. It's like adapting a novel into a movie. You're gonna cut out, add, and change some things to make it work in the new medium. And that's what he did. But the actual event was by and large unscripted, and players had tons of freedom.
This is speaking as someone who was in the event, survived to the end, and decided for story reasons to not participate in the final war.
One of the greatest parts about Ish's videos are how the villains feel... natural.
Case in point, with the video you used as Ish's example, Elanuelo felt like a genuine character first, a villain second.
He had his own ideals as to how his kingdom should be handled, ideals viewers can somewhat resonate with. But its through equally genuine turns of events that you see Elanuelo's character begin to turn for the worse, & you see him begin to do increasingly unhinged things in order to protect his ideals, without him stopping to realize what he's doing for them.
In contrast, most "villains" in other people's civilizations videos stem from some form of 'Bwaah, I lost the election phase, so rather than respect that people don't like my leadership style, I'm gonna utterly derail our team's chances of winning for my own benefit." A lot of them boil down to "[Candidate Who Didn't Win X], teamed up with {Random Player Y], waltzed up to [Team Leader Z], assassinated them in broad daylight, & somehow the people just... accepted them as the new leader of their group." No suspicion, no repercussion, nothing. That feels way more scripted, especially when its been done to death by this point.
i completely agree, and it definitely doesn’t help when it’s the same exact players doing it each time on some of these channels, but are allowed to keep being in the events due to them becoming popular or being mods.
@@javajawa9068 Yeah, when it comes to SpeedSilver's events & Ize, the fact that Ize only shows in Silver's videos, & given his main trait is his drowning toxicity, it really makes you question whether its just a persona, or if he's really as toxic as he seems.
Elanuelo did nothing wrong (sort of, kinda).
@@uberlord983Fortunately, Ize’s toxicity IS just a persona.
Same with solev in most of ishs videos. He's a tyrant but he genuinely wants the good for his people.
In my opinion it works the best because every player literally can make themselves the main character. You can lead a powerful nation or try to destroy one. Its great to be a part of.
for me, the greatest stories are those with no main characters, because then everyone is their own main character. Off-topic but that's exactly why FF6 is my favorite Final Fantasy
Or you could start a fried chicken restaurant!
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I think one of the most incredible things Ish manages to do, which he first did in his Prison video and hasn't really done to the same extent since, is he uses god damn leitmotifs by use of the stems Epidemic Sounds provides you with use of specific sounds. In certain places during the prison video, certain melodies or instrumentals from specific songs are used to signal certain ideas or characters, such as the warden, and when the climax of those stories arise, he uses the full song which he took that stem from, which is absolutely insane. I don't think I've ever seen a youtuber soundtrack quite like that.
I can see how Ish can be a perfect cinematographer for a Hollywood movie.
The prison video was the video that made me watched his content. And I've watched that video a lot before the 1000 players civilization event.
One of the song called a magic moon played during elano rising to power
He also will modify the music slightly to fit the moment or cut the video to fit the music. In his breakdown of the 1000 player civilization video, he talked about one particular moment where he added a sound to the music to make it more impactful/ominous. And in the example shown in this video of the sand trap, you can see how the player death sounds all happened on beat.
As is mentioned in the video.
Until the end, the song is perfect.
One thing to note other than how it became an anthem, the way the battle of aculon was shot without narrative, just the music, players' occasional voices, and the scenes REALLY brought the strength of the scene amplified by the song's tune.
Ish is simply very very good at production, albeit he nudged a few things in that event, it's still a very good product, music can amplify emotions, and ish knows how to use that.
I think another key thing that not many people talk about is how ish balances player enjoyment during the event and quality of the outcome. Almost every other civ event owner forces players to go down the standard path like you said and ish doesnt. Sometimes its messy but ish does a good job picking and choosing what to include to make a good story as well as adding sometimes false details to make a messy plot more complete.
There was also a video which showcased the stuff and scenes that Ish didn't include in his video
It's like a biased narrator being pushed to the side by the witnesses (There's also a video which had bloopers and funny moments that happened during the production, I love Ish's storybuilding)
People hate this part of it but I actually love how symbolic it is.
Ish interferes with the plot sometimes(most notably the desert arc) to make a better plot. Thing is, the players can make their own videos of their experiences.
This is like with real life, where history is told by the Victors, where they make themselves seem like the good guys and in the complete right. Whereas someone on the losing side will be biased too, but they know what went on from their POV.
I just find that to be beautiful and bittersweet.
True
i think a lot of ppl conflate the video ish puts out vs the actions he takes during the event
he can edit it to look however he wants and i don't rlly have an issue with it since it's for the plot, but forcing a narrative on the players like other youtubers do to create a plot is when it becomes uninteresting. like i watched some ark player civilization vid and the host forced 1 team to ambush another team while they were vulnerable and gave them in game grenades, which is just dumb and boring imo
I guess if you think about is Ish is kind of a Dungeon Master.
Since Minecraft itself doesn't have a set objective (unless if you count freeing the end) I also think its a wise choice by ish to not require players to complete any set tasks. It keeps the Minecraft's original charm while adding on his own spin to it.
As a writer is easy to recognize how Ish uses the "show not tell" aspect masterfully
Ish is basically just a passive observer watching the world unfold. The fact he doesn't do anything special is what makes it so great, because it feels _real._ When I watch the videos, I see a lot of similarities with how things unfold in the real world. It's unpredictable and *_anything_* could happen next, to the point that it feels like I'm watching real history. Almost every other "experiment" just feels rigged and you can basically see how things would pan out from the start, but ish's are something I always look forward to because of how unique they end up being.
Ish is a fraud he lightly scripts most his civilization videos so he can get, in his words, "a good storyline" its not a real experiment
i always love how in Ish's videos the conflicts are caused by people being people and just trying to survive and fulfill their ideolgies. So much more entertaining and natural than the other ones who make forced conflicts that make it feel like its a Hypixel minigame on a large scale
I’d actually consider Igblons space civilization video as the perfect example that civ youtubers should take inspiration from.
igblon is pretty good in his own right, i actually plan on making a video about him, his space civilization video is definitely the most interesting progression wise
However, I would also say that igblon's civilization video only worked due to the sheer amount of content that nomifactory had, and other civilization videos with simpler mods don't have the same appeal as igblon's
Just watched it. I def want more export modded servers in the future. I think the inherent grindiness and definite tiers helped shape the story of space civ into what it was. But I wish we got to see what the other non-combatant factions were up to. My favorite things in civilization are stuff like the resturaunt a and taverns, but that’s because that’s what I’d do. I also don’t like igblon’s editing style, so I hope other RUclipsr’s tackle this kind of civ video
the gregtech youtuber? yeah it was kinda confusing to watch tbh, and i feel like his videos rely to much on sensory overload in the form of bombarding the audience with memes to be interesting.
not that im complaining
@@justit1074i didnt like the memes that much so i basicly ignored them, but the video was pretty entertaining even without them
I think another very important thing to note that makes ish simply better, is his way ability to structure his stories. If you watched some of his analysis streams you would know that some events were put out of order, and some lines/scenes were rerecorded or slightly altered. These slight changes make his videos way more interesting to watch, as it changes the feeling of a bunch of people play a game together to a well thought out movie. He is able to take events that happened in his experiment and turn them into a well written story.
Ish is a fraud he lightly scripts most his civilization videos so he can get, in his words, "a good storyline" its not a real experiment
It was pretty annoying when I randomly got back into Minecraft and stumbled upon civilization videos, naturally MagicGum and Ish were the first that I was recommended as they were the most popular, but man trying to find good Civilization vids after that has been hard... Like the video says, it's always a gimmick and an objective that creates a predictable pattern in these videos, but I still think about Ish's Prison video and the moment when the guy jumped off.
Isn't it crazy? I hardly remember the context but that moment alone is burned into my memory because of how POWERFUL it was.
And also the difference between how Jaw died in a courtyard full of people while the prison was secure vs Solev died in an empty courtyard in a prison with no funding. My roman empire
Great video man! Not only just looking into Ish and his style, but also music choices and the comparing and contrasting of other Civ YTers. A great video indeed. Keep it up mate!
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Something I've noticed is that ish's biggest civilization video feels similar to the Chinese story structure, 起承轉合 (qi cheng zhuan he), or beginning rise, gathering, turning crescendo, and wrapping-up. Combine this with the political intrigue and you basically just made the perfect story for me.
I agree, ish did something I really respect, he actually simulated civilization. In all other videos it was last man standing, and constant war, but ish let it play out, there were times of peace, and small conflicts, and in the 1000 people one, it all lead up to a world war. The great aculon war wasn’t even force apon the players (unless it was scripted, but even then it would be great story writing) by some weird event the admins planned, but by natural cuases
Agreed. This is why I don't like all other civ videos now. Because they most of the don't actually try to simulate what a functioning civilization in Minecraft would be like. In fact, a lot of the time, they tend to be nothing more than scripted battleroyales
@@vardiganxpl1698 exactly
It was most likely scripted since the way he just divide all factions to 2 sides is kinda off.
@@rency1803 Apparently what happened is, the sides were naturally going to fight, but Ish came in and basically said, it would just be better if we finished it here and did a climax for the story and just kinda moshpitted all the conflicts into one.
Can confirm this happened for s2. In addition this haopened for state 2.5. At least 2 wars were going to happen, but they were moshpit into 1. Cant wait for yall to watch it had a diff feel from the s 1 and 2 war.
I laughed a little bit when you said that ish’s experiments will always be different because in state it was a running joke that season 2 was just season 1 with 1000 players because the snow island was tyrannical, plains island almost killed each other but missed that by a slim margin, 2 main desert factions, (basically) a civil war in the jungle island, everyone ended up ganging up on snow, and the snow leader fell from a high place. I just thought that was funny. Anyways, great video! I loved it a lot
And Storminghell keep making a Sultanate, as well as getting assasinated midway through the story.
@@mimijikomo5125 he is the kenny of the ish cinematic universe
Adding to this, although Ish's upload schedule certainly doesn't need to be as slow as it is, this does add to the experience of each upload.
Some Minecraft Civ creators churn out videos so quickly that their novelty wears off just as fast, raising the risk of audience burnout.
By contrast, Ish is pretty good at building a steady hype train for his videos, such that each upload becomes a MOMENTOUS occasion.
Pretty much the same reason why oversimplified have millions of views despite uploading 1-2 videos a year. It creates anticipation for the next upload
This is exactly why I want him to take his time. When I get a notification of a new video from ish, it’s going to be an event!
@@sygnomi8312 It's been more than one year... Where is the Second Punic War coming out?
“The more you get it, the less you get more out of it.”
I personally think that other civ videos aren't that bad (hell, I even like SpeedSilver's videos). It's just that Ish's amazing talent in storytelling and suspense is what make his videos stand out the rest, and it's something that everyone can agree on.
for me though personally I just can't watch anyother civ video that isn't ish's anymore. I tried to find more after watching all of ish's videos, but I would click off about five minutes in.
Agreer, I don’t think the other ones are bad, they just aren’t in ish’s level lol
Ish does it better in making a civilization video. I was in his 1000 MASSIVE civilization video and he did very amazing in creating a spectacular story of us playing in the event.
I was in a civilisation event and it lasted about an hour before a team learned that they could build over the barriers separating civilisations and killed everyone.
damn that youtuber did not know what he was doing
@@cyrusmann5443 yeppp
What yt?
What was the video?
To this day I STILL get goosebumps from that final battle 9:07
I'm glad someone decided to show these civilation-tubers what a real "World War" looks like
Glad that I've finally had this GEM of a video show up on my recommended! While Ish was editing his Season 2 video, I would be in a call with him sometimes due to him needing me to re-do a line for better audio quality. He would show me the parts he was working on. When I watched the scene of my death, with the cinematography, and music slowly dying out to leave just a slow heart beat..... wow. This guy's on another level. Happy to have worked with him/to work with him in the future! Great video Chunky :)
Yooo it's the man,the myth, the legend!
i LOVED every players character arc. everyone was so spread out in every video and became so memorable! and when i see those player’s users in other ppls videos i can’t help but smile and think “omg it’s --!!”
Real 🙏 solev is my goat
Editing is often taken for granted in RUclips videos.
But Ish's editing (I mean like, actually putting everything together, not just effects and transitions) is legit incredible to see in a RUclips video.
It feels professional somewhat, like a movie or documentary. The whole story is told In a cohesive yet completely different way that you would not see anywhere else.
It's like if youtube Minecraft challenges were sophisticated entertainment something that would be paid to see.
Maybe he has experiences on editing for shows or film or has an interest on it. Bc OUGHH it's so good
For me, i just loved the consideration they put into choosing the shots for the video. The small things like details in the background, choosing the right sequence and using symbolism or imagery to get an emotion across. What really hit me was the short scene of the couple who got married and officially honored by AFreakingTurkey, only for the wife to mourn over the husbands grave in the graveyard.
I remember watching ish's 1000 player civilization and I literally SOBBED at it, it was so well made it was actually amazing
Not a bad video, pretty solid comparison :o
I think IGBLON has the best 100 player video ever. Like no shity scripted events, no goofy ah variables just pure chaos and memes that overwhelm your brain every 5 seconds. IGBLON video is the only 100 player videi that I have rewatched since this trend has started.
Ish’s Minecraft civilization videos were my first introduction to the genre and it’s like eating the best cake in the world before having even tried cake before. I’ve since watched other Minecraft civilization challenges from a number of other content creators, and although they’re great in their own right, they do have a clear and discernible formula that takes away from the storytelling that Ish always nails in his own challenges (for the reasons you stated in the vid). Seriously, the way the man let’s players organically build their own stories and then weaves those stories into an epic, cinematic masterpiece with emotional beats and epic climaxes is on another level. Every challenge is well worth the wait
I genuinely cannot get over how cool and detailed your analysis skills are... they're unironically what I feel like English teachers are looking for in students LOL
The way you compared Silver's and Ish's storytelling, how Ish rises the tension in a more of a "show, don't tell" way is something I definitely feel like a lot of RUclips is missing nowadays... It's like to understand a story, people think we need to be spoon fed, but it isn't really the case, as apparent by how effective that one scene from Ish (which I've never even seen before) and how it literally had me on the edge of my seat wondering what was going to happen.
And THANK YOU for mentioning sound design... I believe it's the 1 most underrated aspect of a video
(just as a note, if you used any music that was Creative Commons, which I think I heard in the intro, you might want to credit the people who made it, if not necessarily the specific song, just cuz of future copyright claims ;))
Hats off to you man, I'm looking forward to what else you make :)
Thanks a lot man! I also really liked your editing and narration style on your most recent video too!
@@ChunkyNosher Thank you :D
i think the main thing that makes Ish's videos like what you said is that there's no competition it's all down to the players to make the choices
What’s cool about ish, is that he uses the story that is seen in the experiment, and then really makes you feel as if you were part of it, he also uses music to create this effect.
I remember that civilization video for season 2 started during last summer in like, 2022. I actually ended up joining the Aculon Empire then during the first few days but stopped participating bc of time constraints that I had to deal with. But honestly, the wait was absolutely entirely worth it - it took a whole /year/ for the video to finally come out, and it honestly deserves every view that it gets.
Ish just has something about him that really gets me invested in the story. It’s like reading a really good book. It keeps you coming back for more.
Ive watched Ish’s civilization videos many times and yet I never get bored of it.
Ish truly knows how to captivate his audience.
I feel like a problem with a lot of civilizations is that the youtuber makes themselves the main character of the video, giving them screentime that they may not always deserve.
Yeah but that’s only when they’re the actual player
yeah sword4000 is so annoying, the dude does nothing but shove himself into the video every 3 seconds as if anyone cares
@@mustacheman3000exactly like aint noone wanna see the narrator as the main character
This. I like how ish stayed out of the action, where other youtubers would have been part of a team to give a more "firsthand" narration. Problem is, you can't be God and the common man at the same time. One or the other
The youtubers that have a bad upload schedule always make the best videos.
Something else that I think is worth mentioning about ish's videos is the quality of the cinematography. He uses SO MANY camera angles and dynamic viewpoints that transforms his videos from watching a Minecraft let's play recounting to watching a proper drama and story.
(For example, the jungle meeting with the trap floor. The frequent switching of perspectives makes the viewers feel stressed as dialogue escalates, while he still manages to get some a lot of fantastic angles of the sand trap, all of which happened in a few seconds of real-world time!)
About Ish's narration and that example, he also mentioned the trap earlier for those paying close attention, and all the feet shots made you think about it more and more until you felt so satisfied you figured it out 0.02 seconds before the trap was pulled (My experience. Now hoping for a sequel)
I think one of the best aspect of ish's videos is the players. They add the emotion and drama, they also adds the entertainment of the video. Ish is a genius.
Music is so important yet unnoticed in cinema. Really overlooked topic, glad you covered how key it is in making good videos!
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something that i saw no one talking about, was how this song starts with "time can never be your trusted friend". The same thing that Wazz0ck said before he got executed.
i immediately thought of what Wazz0ck said before his death when i heard this song playing during the final battle, but i was surprised that i couldn't find a single comment about this
I NOTICED THAT TOO
I was in Ish's latest civilization event (the 1000 players, the one with Aculon) and it was great to play! We all did our own thing, Ish didn't tell us what to do, it was everyone's choice.
I joined Aculon in the beginning because there were some people in the Ish discord server talking about it and I was unvited; no one made me join
Did you survive? Or fall in the final battle? Also, did you remain on Aculon or did you defect?
@@bramijdema759 i defected the day after Turkey's death. I wasn't on the day of, but when i heard from my cohort what happened they said to get the fuck out. I died just before the battle committing some espionage and stealing resources from Aculon. I stole quite a lot, as just having my aculon shield and acting like i was supposed to be there, I got in.
The problem was the lag. It wasn't very clear in the final video, but that giant tower was lag CITY. It was so ridiculous the amount of lag because of how many players there were in the same area. So basically i was climbing the ladder and the lag caused me to fall off, right into the lava inside the tower :,)
Quality video! I already can see that your channel will grow if you keep this up
DAAANG the song being used twice to unconsciously make the viewer feel a certain familiar emotion is pretty DAMN close to into and across the spiderverse sound design and that is a HUGE compliment..that’s crazy
I personally don't care that much about civilization videos in Minecraft, I vaguely remember seeing like 2 of them and don't even remember whose it was or what it was about, but I still nonetheless really enjoyed this video because how well you managed to put out all your points (And of course the big words you used, using specific terminology in the right way is a surefire way to earn my respect at least). Ish does really seem like a good creator, even if I've never seen his videos, and especially the civilizations one.
I remember after watching all of ish's videos, i tried to find other civilization videos to watch, but every single other non-ish video made be bored and usually led me to click off the vid within the first minute. The high-quality presentation of his vids along with his storytelling and narration make it special. His prison video still remains my favourite minecraft video to date.
He has this sort of secret formula to his videos you can’t really get anywhere else
Me too! Once I watched Ish I couldnt stand everyone else. Same happened with the 100 days trend. Found shadowmech and couldnt watch anyone else, except for forge labs.
Love this! You explained your points really well, in detail & this video has that high quality feeling. Keep it up!
Honestly i really like that he doesnt often actually join in the event, he just narrates it. I love this approach because you get to know what the other teams are doing insead of the youtuber.
For the last part, its not only for Ish who must gets more creativity in the future, but its the people who were aspired to do civilization videos AND the old ones who fell off due to repetitiveness.
I’ve never heard of this genre of Minecraft content before but just seeing you talk about it makes it seem so cool. I’ve been looking for civilization content for a little bit now not knowing what it was called but I think now I have the perfect RUclips channel to start watching :D
With other civ RUclipsrs, it's clear that while there is some wiggle room, they want the participants to do the motions and run down the path they've laid out.
Ish gives everyone much more freedom, which leads to character who feel so much more real.
Ish’s videos seem like an actual realistic version of how a civilization would grow and interact with
Very debatable in many ways, but everyone has their preferences so it's impossible to argue lmao
ive watched many civilization videos, but honestly i was only ever invested in ish's series, nice to see im not the only one
I agree with the story stuff, ish's video's are set up great, Magic Gum had a great idea, but Ish's storytelling put him above and beyond him. For the other youtubers however, i don't think just better storytelling would save their videos, nearly every single non ish and magic gum civilisation video i've watched seems pretty much just like a few groups duking it out until the end, and the only way to make it slightly more different and interesting is to change the scenario's environment so they have another video.
They completely lack any correlation to the word civilisation pretty much, Ish and Magic Gums videos have that, my only complaint regarding their videos is how they spread the players out so that they continue to be in smaller groups, rather then forcing them into smaller areas with less resources, so having a civilisation that works effectively becomes neccesary, albeit trying not to fall into the trap of directly telling the players what to do.
Good video 👍
While MagicGum may have kick-started the trend, and maybe he did come up with the idea on his own, he's arguably not the first person. ibxtoycat's realm experiments were in a lot of ways smaller scale versions of this format, and predate MagicGum's videos by a few years.
@@peterlewis2178 that is 100% true, loved those vids. Wish he would bring them back.
I don’t know, I think MagicGum’s willingness to simply let events unfold as they will and presenting them as they are makes for more interesting content. Ish tends to reframe and “modify plot points” (his words) to tell a specific narrative, as was brought to light following his 1000 Player Civ, and turns actual server events into very Hollywoodized Historical Fiction complete with “Good Guys” and “Bad Guys” and fabricated sequences of events.
MagicGum, at least from what I know, presents what actually happened in a manner that’s easy to follow, without reframing events or placing anyone on a moral or ethical scale. We see what players actually did and how they shaped the world without biased revisionism and typecasting. It makes for a far more interesting MineCraft civilization experiment when the videographer presents the sociological narrative created by the players rather than fudging the lens to create a heavily dramatized version.
I love Ish’s videos, but at the end of it what I’m seeing is a fairly fictionalized narrative, rather than an honest rendition of server history. I think MagicGum’s videos are better for that.
ishs video make me cry on how they are so good, the prison event was the best video by ish so far
The battle of The Iron Torch with Until the World ends playing in the background was in my opinion the greatest piece of Minecraft cinematography ever made
I never realized the amount of detail that ish puts into the music selection. Great video, subscribed and can't wait to see the next one!
It's perfect with ish!
My notible things is that the goal isn't the script of the story but let the player decide the story how it ended
Minecraft Civ videos are a tightrope most content creators can't walk. From setting up the internal infrastructure to run an event that can handle ~1000 players while properly moderating and keeping track/recording the in-game roleplay/combat for a prolonged amount of time is nuts. While the videos will always do well, it's the sort of niche that has to be driven by passion rather than a monetary goal. Because the second a creator crosses the line is the same second player engagement becomes second to money.
I genuinely believe the Civ niche could utilize Objectives in a narrative focused way or benefit from a shorter time frame if done right. But as it stands, a lot of the other civ creators are more focused on pumping out glorified battle royales. One creator in particular (I forget whom) fully paywalled the chance of getting into his Civ experiments and it was such a put off for me.
Ish and a few others have nailed a really cool formula of videos that I'd love to see expanded on in the future, but it's a shame that it's such a game of chance when watching new civ videos on if they'll be enjoyable or not.
(If anyone actually reads this, save for Magicgum & Ish any recommendations?)
I just finished Ish’s newest video, gotta say 9/10 story, and I love the beginning of the peace then chaos at the end of his.
I think an important argument for ish is also the wording of his narration and the voice over in general.
Especially in comparison to SpeedSilver, one can notice the more dynamic and intersting tone of voice that ish uses, whereas SpeedSilver speaks so monotonous, that the suspension is additionally dampened.
And then also the wording. I have noticed, that in many civ videos, when a group for example comes up with a plan and you just listened in to their conversation, many narrators repeat the same exact information that was clear from the convo you just heard. Ish doesn't do that. Maybe from time to time there is a short summary, but usually it is only later on, as a reminder what that group was talking about before we switched to another group.
And overall the wording is precise and adding suspension, as shown in this vid here.
Ish's ability to create a narrative and detailed storytelling makes his videos feel like a tv series you'd watch over the weekend
ish's videos are just- amazing. They're so intense and it's amazing seeing what people can do by just playing in the same server for long enough. I cried while watching 1000 player civilization.
6:50 to be fair, you always know the outcome of every fight because Silver always wins (or at least makes it to top 10) in all of his videos
I’d found his stuff when I got sick for about a week. Binged most of if not all of his civilization videos that day.
7:48 Just commenting to remember and someday say this golden phrase myself
In all honesty, I only watch Ish's civ videos now, and this is why. Honestly some of the few youtube videos I would consider rewatching. Glad I'm not the only one who sees his quality!
don't worry, a new video is coming out soon from ish! i played in the event in december, and it was a banger. be prepped!
The one i love Ish videos is he's a great story teller and made every happening in the game entertaining, also his editing in transitions, effects, music adds up and made the event dramatic
This reminds me of Third Life in a way. I love all of the seasons fully, yes, but something about the original, with no gimmicks other than "three lives, kill when on red" made for SUCH fantastic dynamics and stories.
Again, I adore every one of the seasons and love the dynamics that played out there (particularly dl Pearl and the Clockers and the Bad Boys) but there's something wonderful about how the Desert Duo and the Red Army naturally formed and came to war with each other. That dynamic would never have occurred in any other of the seasons because of the rules set in place to _discourage_ Red and Greens teaming up in the first place.
How does this video only have 500,000 views? You did an excellent job on this deep analysis of Ish's videos. You brought your points out really well and everything.
I genuinely rewatch Ish's videos even when I know the plot
What makes Ish's videos great is him literally changing the narrative of the story, changing what actually happened to create a better story for the vid.
Atleast Ish's upload schedule isn't as messed up as MagicGum's.
I always wanted to witness a truly dynamic civilization styled event in Minecraft where players had diplomacy and created their own kingdoms and story and Ish came in and delivered on that perfectly surprising everyone.
Just pure awesome narration *everything felt natural, nothing was forced or heavily scripted it really did feel like you were in that world as if it was real!* plus the music was definitely key with how well it was implemented. But bravo sir very well made video sure hope your channel gets more subscribers this is very underrated!
As a history/government stuff buff i like how Ish doesnt take away the story by not explaining how the government is, or atleast what TYPE of government it is. Ive seen videos where nations are FORCED to elect someone and to me its like "Well what if someone wants to forge a dictatorship or something". This is a side effect of having no clear objective, the players decide there world. They arent in preset teams, they can divide themselves, kinda like how nations or cultures do. Also i for one hate the gimmick minecraft civ, to me its like 100 days where when u add gimmicks the video looses some of its original appeal. Magicgum and a few others handle it well by not making things too insane. Thats just ny opinion tho.
i think what contributed to ish's success is that the long wait between videos made his videos like a novelty of sort, not like sword or other creators which churn out civilization or 100 player videos every few or so weeks; plus all of his civilization videos are with pure vanilla, not with mods or anything, just plain survival with some changes with the map using world edit, which def made the experience not a absolute total culture shock
Great video, another point that needs to be considered is that there is no admin intervention, no special event, or forced segregation of teams. It allows for a more organic video which, especially compared to the more scripted videos out there, makes Ishs videos more popular.
Ish and ShadowMech are hands down my favorite. Both do amazing with music, story, and cinematics period.
ChunkyNosher: "not trying to throw shade at any specific person"
Also ChunkyNosher: Shits on everyone for 10 minutes 💀
yup exactly
Bro came to complain hes better than ish
I love you too sword
Pretty much. But he’s still right
Ish’s videos are like real life in which different people have several different goals instead of one goal
Hell, I'd say even with a gimmick, ish's would do well because of his hands-off approach.
Like, even something as the Origins Mod would add just the right amount of spice and subtlety that would complement ish's style.
He wasn't exactly hands-off, but I can agree. EJK did have an elaborate kidnapping plot to bait all of Theria into killing itself, but Ish stepped in and said "If you want revenge, have it by participating in the Battle for Aculon; doing this will make the plot confusing for viewers."
Ish also lied about Darivit's (I think that's how you spell it?) death, as he made it seem as though he died shortly after the Sultan did. In reality, his death came at the hands of a player during the Battle of Aculon, shortly after Elaneulo died.
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Oh? I assume the sources are from the videos by folks who participated in the event?
I haven't watched those yet, so I'll just have to take your word for it. Although, next time list your sources. Claims like this are what sparks flame wars, and I think we've had enough wars this year.
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Probably should've done that to begin with, so thanks for reminding me. ^^"
... But yeah, EJK's perspective was rather unique in that it featured his point of view with The Emerate, and it even showed a kinder side of the Sultenate that Ish didn't show for narrative's sake.
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Oh what!? That's so unfair!
No, not the video, or you showing it to me. But the fact that you can post links. I thought links get shadow-deleted almost immediately.
Anyway, yeah, hopefully he does become more hands-off in future civilization vids, so things will be much more interesting., dynamic, and natural. Cause otherwise it'll just become like the rest of "there will always be war at the end". Although, I can make an exception for Sipover's pro players vid, cause that was just amazing.
On that note, I really think adding some subtle twists would liven up his civilization vids. Such as the Create mod. That alone would add another level of dynamics into the world. The civilization would be more... uh... civilized. And maybe other mods that would make the world bigger and have better world generation. You know, subtle stuff like that.
More hands-off + subtle non-gamebreaking mods, that would spice up his videos.
@@jocosesonata This is the first time I've ever linked a video, since most people never trust clicking on them. Lol
Anyways, it would've been really interesting to see how the Emerate would handle the conflict, post-Battle of Aculon, since The Allies would've been rather weakened. The little sub-plot of dismantling Theria, probably would've played a special role in dwindling a portion of The Allies, giving Aculon a chance to hold out a bit longer. It would've made any further conflicts in the desert way more interesting, as anyone dealing with the Emerate would've been met with cunning and stealth (since somehow EJK had a nack for sneaking into discords during the event.)
Also, definitely mods like Create cause, giving credit where credit is due, Ish did show off how industrious the Plains and even the Jungle was; both factions as well as Snow likely benefitting a ton off of mods that compliment their creativity! It'd be a lot to handle, since the mod itself is very extensive, but it would be really cool!
I got back into Minecraft recently because of Ish's video. Me tending to binge new things I like to death, I watched a variety of other civilization videos but none of them matched Ish's. Now I understand why
"They all happened on players terms, not on ish's terms"
Yeah.... about that.....
i have never heard of either of you before this video but this was a fascinating watch! the use of suspense and music is just a great way to tell a story, even if you weren't doing a civilization video.
When a filmmaker plays minecraft
To be fair I think the video by MagicGum “500 players colonize earth” has an interesting gimmick while also being mainly focused on story.
Bro called out sunnyv2 in 56 seconds of the video
This video is Awesome! It points out the issues that I've even noticed myself with other civ vids. I recently recorded a rp civ vid (that I have yet to edit) that fits more of the criteria that you stated but there's a few things I did during it that I could definitely improve on my next one. However I whole-heartedly agree that doing civ events with players, letting them formulate their own story that you can work with as the creator to tell is the right way to go. Regardless, Genuinely going to save this vid for later!
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Ish is the real definition of "show don't tell"
Hey there, Overall the video had good intensions, pushing for longer civ events over single day run events, though i feel u left out alot of context...
- Within this video u failed to mention how Ish's civ events take months of editing with his events running over the course of 14 days (2 weeks) of playtime for players. Silver & Swords events only range around One day run events or 3 / 4 day run events, meaning of course storyline build up will be pushed faster due to timing.
- When it comes to player mass in civ events, me being someone who has played in both ish events, sword events & Silver events, I can say these single day events / 4 day events run alot smoother for average players over the 2 week long event that feel 'dragged out' over the long period of running time for the players in-game. Though this may result in a stronger more story driven video, It loses players to more than natural rates just to boredom / repetition.
- Overall saying ish's video are more 'creative / authentic' is a bit of a stretch due to the editing time being over 8 months between each video compared to silver & swords being monthly in general.
- i wish within the research for this video u reached out to players who have actually taken part in all of these different events just for better context, i feel u are missing alot of substance due to the mis-information about certain run times / actually event play-through.
None the less thank you for the video, it is overall a good video just missing key contexts to why ish's event have more heavily endorsed storylines, if these context areas were filled then this video would be a lot more reliable. 💙
Please delete his comment, please ong ong that would be massive
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Is the QualsWonder From Speed Silver OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ish feels like a cameraman recording a documentary of sorts. He even interviews people in the story like he is talking to a witness or someone divulging their motivations about an event.
While sometimes he puts in some sort of event for a nudge towards conflict, the story is almost always the people's doing. He is but a Watcher recording what is happening in the world, sharing their stories.
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I really like that ish tells the story from more of a unbias, omnipresent, point of veiw. When the youtuber themselves is in the civilazation it ruins the irony because you already know they are going to live through the entire video, they will know the effects of the mod, and the personal feelings of players won't be accurately. Word from the other players alone. An example is in a video MARCUSK made when Perspective's PD attacked Diamond's guards it showed us that some were scared when one said "I dont wanna die". I liked that a lot. It brought out more emotion in me than just saying "Perspective's PD killed Diamond and the remaining guards were killed off or put in jail".
but if you watch all the videos from the people playing, ish removed there stories, like he removed a major story in the desert.
ish also lied about the players fighting by bringing everyone who died in it came back.
he also brought players in throughout the video that wasn’t show, Magicgum is just better