The truth about homophobia in men's football | Rylan Clark interview
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2024
- Ahead of the launch of his new documentary with TNT sports, Rylan: Homophobia, Football and Me, we sat down with TV presenter Rylan Clark to chat about the scourge of homophobia in football, the stark comparison with the women's game, and how toxic masculinity holds a vice grip over football culture.
Rylan: Football, Homophobia and Me airs on TNT Sports and discovery+ on 13 February.
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This interview has really changed my opinion of Rylan, he seems like a genuine down to earth person here
You're easily swayed.
@@hmq9052 Do you know Rylan personally?
@@nicholaskeenan211 No.
@@hmq9052 not a bad thing to change your mind when presented with new more current evidence.
I watched Rylan experience homophobia at school and did nothing to stop it. Sorry Rylan.
Rylan's character arc is mad. From annoying dramatic guy on x factor to superb broadcaster. Such an intelligent and articulate bloke
agreed
Yep. Happy to say I had him wrong when I first saw him!
Are you trans Tom?
He's still annoying and not really a good presenter.
whats that got to do with it? Rylan aint trans@@hmq9052
As a Celtic fan I would love to think that if every player in our team came out as gay or Bi or any other minority group we would not only ignore it but would actively support everyone through their life and the decision to be thereselves.
bang on bhoy ! i take this opportunity to apologise for the behaviour of el hadj diouf for his disgusting insult to your fans and the shirt he wore , we never walk alone he does,,,
big jock knew
lol the only club where I think this might be true, sadly.
Dream on cowboy lololol
Callum McGregor and James Forrest I reckon are gay. It's obvious.
When we talk about "toxic masculinity" it doesn't mean masculinity is toxic. It just means that there are certain ways to see and "perform" masculinity that are toxic.
Like when he sexually assaulted me
It means you’re postmodern-splaining “masculinity” to men, and that’s a product no one’s buying.
@@davidpar2 dude, you're not smart. You're a guy who watched Jordan Peterson and is naive enough to think he's an intellectual
@@JFSebastian-j3m lol. If you _sincerely_ believe you’re vindicated by those statements, I’m fine with allowing the reality of the “toxic masculinity” whining crowd + the reality of the world we all actually live in to collectively speak for itself on that point.
@@JFSebastian-j3m I LOVE how you wokies always tell on yourselves. _You_ are the ones who subscribe to labels and “arguments from authority” such as “intellectual” or “enlightened.” I simply continue recognizing that human discernment still exists.
Major coup this getting a 1-1 interview with Olivier Giroud! His London Accent is really coming on now after his time at Arsenal and Chelsea.
Lol😂
Bonnet de Douche!
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Not even sure if this is homophobic or francophobic
That's an Essex accent, babes
Remember the Very sad story of Justin Fashanu (and his brother Johns reaction to it all at the time, and how Brian Clough treated him so badly too).
Good Lad Rylan 👍
No it was great about Justin Fashanu he was found out quicky before he could sexually abuse anyone in the UK. Unfortunately he abused a child in the US and fled back to the UK, then commited suicide before it went to trail. A sick evil monster like Barry Bennell who infitrated the English game, we must have a zero tolerance atitude towards the LGBT.
When I first saw Rylan on TV, I thought, "jeez...another annoying wannabe." But he's actually very funny and genuine. Seems like he would be a great laugh.
You should have trusted your gut instinct
I used to find Rylan really annoying, he seems to be a bit calmer here and came across really well.
He because he's done as he's told to do and the arse licking has slowed down because he's made his money
He's a decent lad
Since BGT or Pop idol, whichever it was, he seems a lot more comfortable in his own skin
He used to be a bit fony and was more this is Essex,than this morning,but he has calmed the gay man cliche drama dwn,and acts more real a likeable,but don’t use a game to push the banter of some fans about there being gay haters in football,it’s a game our game and not to be used for agendas of any kind ,keep it about the football.the wrongs in society exist regardless,not just in our game
@@owenmcghee1666 but not his mouth his teeth 🦷 are invading his face😂
This was a super interesting interview, the crow joke sent me 😂. I wish him well, he seems super thoughtful and caring and self aware. Good stuff!
He sexually assaulted me
Joey Barton is a prime example
Barton is a top tier whopper.
Yeah hate when people tell the truth
@@James-bc1jk What truth? Barton isn't telling the truth; he's spouting his awful opinions. He has every right to spout his awful opinions, btw. Just don't confuse them with the truth.
@@James-bc1jk What truth is that?
@@karlwilliams2703 People keep saying this but can't say what the truth is?
I'm a trans woman and I was brought up on football and still watch my team as much as possible. I wouldn't dare walk in a football stadium and even tend to try to not go anywhere near the city centre if it's a match day.
Is that your fear tho? It’s one thing to play dress up, it’s another thing to piss off English men by dressing up as something you’re not. Fact is I wouldn’t be pleased to see you but I wouldn’t harm you in any way..
@@aclark903why are English men getting offended about someone's appearance? I thought you guys were supposed to be anti woke and not offended or affected by anything? Interesting 🤔
@@aclark903 You might not be willing to harm me yourself, but out of a stadium full of people who wouldn't be pleased to see me, I'm sure at least a handful would be willing to harm me, if they had the chance to. Just want to clarify I'm not loosing sleep over not being able to enjoy going to a football match, I sort of get it, it's a man's domain, they go there to enjoy themselves, they don't necessarily want people around who put them out of their comfort zone, if it's that much of a problem for some people, I'm willing to honour that, I'm not here to force myself onto people where I'm not welcome, but since they're discussing the topic, I thought I would share how I feel as a transgender person. I'd rather just be able to walk down the street without people shouting things at me, beeping car horns and shouting out the car, calling me a faggot, standing in the street looking at me like I'm the scum of the earth when I'm just going about my life, things like that are definitely worse than loosing my ability to stand in a football stadium and feel safe.
I don't align with your view on what "dressing up as something I'm not" is, as in my view, if I were dressing up as a man, I'd be dressing up as someone I'm not, so my two choices are either, lie to you (in your eyes), or lie to myself. After 20 years of not being myself due to fear of disappointment from others, I can honestly say I'd never go back to what my life was before transitioning, as disappointment in myself for not being myself, for fear of disapproval from others, is a lot worse.
Absolutely spot on Rylan. Need to stamp out toxic masculinity from sport and society. We also need to do the same with all forms of discrimination and start to educate people about true sporting role models. In football people like Sòcrates, Marta and Lilly Parr. I’m glad now we have new role models like Leah Williamson.
Rylan sexually assaulted me lol
Fab interview. I‘m aware of Rylan but have never actually heard him speak. What a great guy.
Do you not have a TV or a radio ? 😅
Lots of brilliant points and also sad that these conversations still need to be had. But they do, so they have to be.
Got a lot of time for Rylan. I was also a Junior Hammer as a kid and I think we're a similar age. I still have my original teeth though.
He always comes across as a top guy and a Hammer too so can't knock that ⚒
This is the first I've seen of Rylan directly and he was very good in this
Interesting conversation I've had at work with our Pride team is two people discussing why a Gay fella doesn't like the term queer
And a queer guy explaining why they don't like the term Gay. Both said "when I was younger that would be shouted at me as an insult and I can't stomach it now"
Id like to think if a player came out for my team our fans would be 100% but its the very small minority that feel its wrong to be gay and be a footballer
They wouldnt act like it in every day life (or a majority wouldnt) but mob mentality is powerful. So they would shout out slurs.
Its down to other fans and fanbases to sort it out
If a player scored the winner in the 90th minute of the champions league final it would not matter to ANY fan whether they are gay or straight. That needs to be the norm
100% minority, unfortunately I promise you very vocal
Absolute dreamer
It also shouldn't matter if a bad player is gay or straight either, we shouldn't tie acceptance to performance.
Nice one Rylan and PoliticsJoe - pity still have to have this in 2024 but education is always enlightening
The way I've always seen it is it's no one's business about sexuality but I understand it's important to people to come out and just feel you can be yourself. I'd hope most teams and players would be very accepting now but it's probably a long road ahead to get there.
What a genuine reserved response to homophobia in football. I'm straight and I'd be far more venomous about homophobic fans. Love you Rylan x
He sexually assaulted me.
Since when have football fans ever shown fear towards homosexuality?
@@Ennis85The word homophobia doesn't refer to a fear of homosexuality (it did originally used to refer to fears of becoming gay) but it refers to feelings of dislike or prejudice of gay or more generally LGBTQ people. Language changes, it's a poor argument too, "the word homophobia doesn't mean fear of gay people therefore I don't have to address what we're actually talking about".
Ironically, Rugby doesn't have this issue, and it's arguably a tougher game. Opposing fans sit together, and chants from them isnt bigoted.
I was vaguely aware of this chap before but never really considered him beyond the ‘reality TV’ thing. Kudos on an excellent interview, I’ll look out for the doc.
Good interview. Rylan has made a lot of really good points very very well here.
I've changed my mind on this guy. He really on point
What did you think before?
I think the tv persona is the reason why he'd get shit, he has changed over the years though seems pretty sound and calm.
You're allowed to find him irritating without being homophobic
Thank you for sharing Rylan with us ❤
everything Rylan is sayin here is spot on. cant agree more & i was not a fan of his before but i figure the persona he has on TV is just a persona for the job. comes across here as really grounded
Excellent interview - love Rylan and keep up the good work! They did it in rugby (one of the most 'masculine' games out there - so they should be able to do it in football!
Came in to find Brad 🏴
What a fantastic interview, thank you for making a difference, humanism at it's best, do not trust 90 of Politicians for sure. Rio is great and I'm a blue😊😊😊
big up rylan this gave me a whole new view of him
Great interview, ❤
Rylan is a real one. 💯
Top guy
Great interview! I'm officially a Rylan fan 🛡🥰
I wouldn't have had a single second of time for Rylan previous to this interview tbh. Mostly cos I'm not a talent or reality show watcher and only ever saw snippets, and dismissed him as more drivel (not in a hateful way, just, whatever, I don't care, and he's a bit OTT for me kinda thing. Like Graham Norton or Julian Clary on coke), but this interview had really changed my opinion of him.
At the end of the day, I'd be happy to sit in the pub and have a chat with the fella. I don't give a single fuck what he likes to do in his bedroom, and neither should anyone else.
Rylan is just a normal boy so genuine friendly funny just the boy next door I love him he be such a good bestie . I wish him nothing but health wealth and happiness💓
Great interview with Ross. His interview on Jake Humphries' High Performance podcast is also an excellent watch/listen.
Good interview. Sensible bloke.
Speaks with great insight! Top bloke
Nice one Rylan.
Well said Rylan!
love this
A great interview guys. One thing we mustn't forget is the fact that football grew from working class roots unlike rugby and cricket. In these other two sports it hasn't been a problem with current players coming out of the closet. It's the combination of working class roots and toxic masculinity which has led to this problem and I don't see an easy solution.
Politicians shouldn't get involved as most of them are no longer respected in society therefore nobody will take any notice of what they say.
You mentioned race as being a subject used by the uneducated. I also find that using words that could upset people of a certain religion are just as toxic.
As a Spurs supporter who is not Jewish I find it abhorrent that certain supporters call themselves "y**s" and show the word emblazoned on their supporters' flag at Tottenham Stadium. There is no place for this in 2024.
Let's step back and see how rugby and cricket have been so successful in eradicating homophobia. We can only hope.
I have some Ashkanazi Jewish roots. Yiddish is / was their language . Hence the shortened word. It depends on context . Tottenham fans use it as a word of endearment. When Chelsea Fan. Lee Munns used it , to mock Tottenham and Jewish people in his sick Tweeted joke about the holocaust then it's usage was abhorrent . And that's why he got nicked.
@@nutcracker2916 Thanks Ashnut.
I do think alcohol is a huge determining factor behind how people act towards others. I would hazard a guess that if no alcohol consumed at football games, or that people at pubs didn't feel the need to have one too many, then our culture may begin to change. But too many people in the UK like a drink and ultimately, I think these people will be homophobic or racist. Whether they are like that deep down or not, is another question.
Drink just removes your inhibitions. It’s not the root cause of someone being homophobic, but it will make them more likely to shout a slur if they already have prejudices.
Alcohol has nothing to do with it and it doesn't cause bigotry. Plenty of pubs won't show football or allow people in with football related paraphernalia, as well as the laws regarding consumption of alcohol at football matches and separation of fans. Some pubs will even security on match days.
This doesn't exist with other sports. The issue is the culture around football.
There are issues with British drinking culture, not just when there's football, but alcohol isn't the cause of the problems amongst football fans and bigotry within it.
Rylan is just an amazing human being! Love him and his moral compass! He’s spot on again! 👏❤️👏❤️👏❤️
I'll be honest I've never really liked Rylan, he is overexposed and more than a little bit annoying. But he is nailing this argument and I completely on his side here.
I’m a member of the Liverpool LGBT supporters club, Jordan Henderson has lost all credibility amongst us for that move
Anyone else have a check through the comments before watching to see if Rylan owes Ollie ten euros? 😂
Fantastic interview, every time I see an interview with Rylan he goes even further up in my estimations
Rylan the human is a very decent man. I've only seen the persona up to seeing this
i've never been to a football game before, but i wouldn't mind going to a women's game for my first game. they're still playing football, and it's a more progressive environment
Go watch some rugby league :) the most inclusive sport
I can tell you from first hand knowledge that the crowd, while being about the third the size, is exactly the same for both the male and female games lol
I'm actually not massively keen on woman's football, much prefering the men's game. The only positive thing I can say about woman's football is that players don't fall over and roll about in faigned agony at the slightest feather touch (or sometimes no contact at all).
With regard to the sexualitie of a player, I personally could not care less!!! It is after all - as Ryland inferred - their own affair😊
I always forget how tall Rylan is. Not that I'd be slagging him off, but I would be surprised to have his teeth shining down on my like a spray tanned lighthouse.
Agreed. Especially if he was topping me
He annoys me when he's doing his day job, but so what? Good luck to him. After watching this my opinion of him has shot up. Top man.
It'd be interesting to see all the teams collaborating to halt play if their fans do shit like this. As in, a team halting play if their own fans start a chant. Like a spartacus thing. Managers can't fire everyone, fans can't boycott the entire game. It'd send a pretty clear signal.
What you see is what you find I feel with Rylan
Rylan is so right. Sexuality and so much more. Football is permeated with a culture of hate. Never go to games anymore, cant be arsed with the heckles and even threats just for looking a little different thru no choice of my own lol. Its like once you step thru the gates anyone is fair game and all you get if you say it upsets you is a load of people, who have never had to deal with that kind of treatment, tell you that its not a big deal. infuriating culture. best enjoyed from the sofa IMO.
If the home teams star player so much as miss placed a pass he will get some abuse. Never mind an openly gay player being out on the pitch. I think Justin Fashanu did it in the early 90s and that didn’t end well. I don’t think much has changed in terms of football.
I thought than Rylan was an annoying person but watching this has changed my mind.
You should trust your gut more
I ❤ Rylan, he's great 👍😀
Seems a great guy.
I hope someone comes out soon in the prem, or they do an ad against homophobia or something, because it would get such a large of the english public to get onside (punny) or at least THINK about it. Like the fact an ad was nearly published against homophobia but players were afraid to be the face says it all. I'm not saying sexuality should be the forefront of anyone's identity, but it would help SO MANY people if it was more of a thing we could talk about without batting an eye lid!
"but it would help SO MANY people if it was more of a thing we could talk about without batting an eye lid!"
Or how about persuading them not to pursue the kind of lifestyles that have directly to the deaths and misery of millions who practiced it?
@@Ennis85 What lifestyle is that?
@@Ennis85 it's not a lifestyle, closet
@@FoxMunro It's a sexual behaviour, how is that not a lifestyle?
@@JFSebastian-j3m It's a sexual behaviour, how is that not a lifestyle?
What a dude 👏
Legend
He's quite a nice, likeable fella, when he's not in hyper "TV mode".
@@Wherethereisnodarkness Extreme "Camp Mode" haha
for some people thier team , their ‘colours’ are thier whole identity and the behaviours that they’ve had past down to them =had to change
15:28
Sheryl 😂
Good lad Rylan! COYI
Love Rylan. True to himself, good sense of humour and all round a likable guy.
I simply love him!
I love Rylan and IRONS and its sad that were still talking about but the simplistic narrative needs to change and the root problem which he mentioned and its hilarious that you name-check that scumbag Sunak like he cares about anyone other than himself, and ask Rylan who with all due respect is quite simplistic in his views about what politicians can do, he had it right when he said the average football fan wont listen to politicians which brings me to the root cause - poverty, crime, the disconnect between the working class and our government - in saying all of this hes on the mark with what hes saying and his voice is needed.
Brilliant interview with Rylan 😁 toxic masculinity is sadly rife in football.
And in the gay community
I remember my dad taking me to old trafford when i was younger.. I stopped going when i was about 11 0r 12... I've never been that into football.. But I found the crowds to be full of the worst kind of people.. both men and women...
Rylan being so chill is breaking my head
This is the _epitome_ of trying to “fix” something that isn’t broken. Inventing an imaginary problem then engaging in pretentious, self-promotional posturing on how to “correct” it. As transparent as postmodern saran wrap
Mug
Has legacy media stopped saying:
'So-and-so has admitted to being gay.'
yet‽‽‽
People need to stop worrying about other people's lives.
If gay people stopped constantly telling us all about how gay they are and waving rainbow flags in our faces j as if we hadn`t already noticed then it wouldn`t be an issue...People get sick of constantly being browbeaten over homosexuality.
Not unless when "other people's lives" are having a detrimental impact on others.
If gays realised most people don’t give a damn about what they do in bed and have no interest whatsoever in their bogus “pride” about being kinky we would all be immeasurably better off and have one less thing to be forced to worry about out.
@@Ennis85 how is someone's sexuality having a detrimental impact on your life? Or anyone's for that matter?
@@whateverisavailableyleading with a false premise isn’t going to change realty. No one cares about other people’s sexual orientations. The people pushing this lgbt virtue signaling in football care about their OWN sexual orientations and expect people playing the sport, an activity that virtue signaling about sexual orientation has nothing to do with, to care, too. And that’s what people have a problem with. And will continue to have a problem with until the efforts to force people to co-sign it go away
Agree with everything he says but when they start claiming that chants like “CRB” are homophobic I give up.
Maybe if you educated yourself on the history of the words, you'd understand why it's considered homophobic.
@@burni988 I’m well aware of the argument I don’t agree with it. I know plenty of bi/gay men who agree with me.
@@burni988”it’s considered homophobic” is not a meaningful point, it’s just a fragile narrative. And people who don’t know what a woman is or that there are only two genders are in no position to lecture _anyone_ on a “lack of education.” 🤡
Seems a genuine guy to me.
The dear england play is interesting
Innit, who cares what someone else has in their pants?
Its more if they have something in their pants which others don't whilst sharing a private space thats the problem 👍
Or have physical and biological unfair advantages but wanting to compete in the same sports as those that don't
@danielbentham758 that effects how many people? Just grow up its not a big issue. Think it's safer for a transwoman to go into a man bathroom when so many people seem to have an issue?
@@Lezzyboy87 you can't use that argument about it effecting a minority when transgender people are a tiny minority themselves. Ludicrous
@@Lezzyboy87 the majority of biological females disagree with you also, remember that.
Awesome stadium west ham like.
It will take a few more generations and people wont use sexuality as an insult. Our parents and grandparents have different views from people like me and my contemporaries. Live and let live. It is such an easy mantra to live by...
Except Using gay as an insult is not their problem. If anyone if putting down homosexuals it’s none other than their fellow homosexuals. You might want to Read up on the disproportionate high rates of domestic violence in same-sex relationships, drug/alcohol abuse, high number of sexual partners, fatal STDs like HIV/AIDs, mental illness, depression, suicides.
Finally a decent Politics Joe clip
Oh I'm sorry I wasn't aware that it was toxic men (yet again) who were trampling on trans rights. I thought that it was women who wanted single sex spaces...
They oscillate back and forth between the two, depending on the imaginary victimhood _du jour_
How does he know
I wanted to hate Rylan cos at a glance he's an annoying vapid reality TV star but listen to him for 2 secs and you realise how much of a geezer and smart, lovely, considerate and fabulous guy he is
God he’s so creepy,he looks like something out of a Gay Vampire movie
As though foot all was never toxically masculine before? 😂
Nobody said it wasn't. The reason it's being talked about more is because of lot of other things are moving forward and away from homophobia but football is being left behind in that positive change.
The Q in LGBTQ+ means questioning?
Either questioning or queer for everyone that doesn't feel comfortable with a specific label
The Q+ in lgbtq+ means _narcissist_
@@davidpar2 I'm clad the homophobes are admitting they're idiots immediately these days. Saves me a lot of time.
Ineresting to hear Rylan but I'm left wondering if LGBTQIA+ is the interface between politics and sport???
There is nothing wrong with being woke Ryan, you don't need to justify ✌
why can't some people in comments understand that masculinity isn't always positive thing, and can be toxic. clearly, this shoe is the perfect fit for them/.
Imagine someone said the same thing about femininity. It’s not a substantial critique. If someone is behaving badly point it out instead of excusing it as gender performance.
@daikucoffee5316 Interestingly, many learn from and have their toxicity legitimised by their own mothers.
There ARE elements of feminity that are damaging to society. Most women know and acknowledge this.
@@daikucoffee5316 men are the ones in control of society and have been for generation, they've built a culture of toxicity around their masculinity. i'm sure the same can be said about women, but they way it effects people are quite different. that's why the metoo movement was about holding men accountable for their abuse of power, not women.
@@DJWESG1 women are not exempt of toxic masculinity traits living in patriarchy
If a player can score goals who gives if he's gay, it's just a game, if someone's good at something then good for them, strange world football.
The truth about predatory homosexuals within the Church.
If it's the men's game then please refer to it as the women's game not the 'girls game'. You are just showing your own bias there in the way you view women.
Easy targets people look at the differences and target it
Good interview. Some of the worst things I have ever heard where on a football pitch. When can we expect a video on Keir Starmers latest capitulation to the the right? Indy ref 2 please.
Be quite Ryan and lay of the sniff lad your mad 😂😂😂😂😂
will you risk breaking your neck(trautmann ) for your mates ? will you carry the burden of the moment to make it shine ? even if ultimately you fail ?
will you play for not free but pay to play cos you just love doing it /
well maybe not that lol this aint soccer , its football its money
in this age you are our escapism from the reality of high bills low pay
you are our "bread and circuses "
make our monday at work happy is what we ask
Why do people change their voice, use an even more common accent, often resort to vulgar language, and become unpleasant and nasty when talking about football? It seems to bring out the worst in people. People seem to lose all their manners, values and princibles, and become indignant bullies. I don't understand football and I don't understand the obsession with it.
I think it's a space for uneducated men to assert themselves. They tend to have traditional ideas about masculinity which rely on regressive stereotypes, such as homophobia and violence.
Ten years ago I thought Rylan was a prick.... now I think he is a geezer..... love him....
Ten minutes ago I thought he was a prick….ten minutes later I still think he’s a prick