Next you could cover spanish football's racism crisis. It has come back to the spotlight due to the racial insults against Vinicius but it's no novelty. Just a bit over a decade ago fans legitimally threw bananas at players like Dani Alves when they went for corner kicks. I'd say it's one of spanish football's biggest issues, probably only behind the ridiculous amount of corruption in league ownership and the federation
Italy is much worse I only ever hear vini getting abused in Spain were it's every player of different skin colour in Italy And the dani Alves banana was like 2010 not really relevant today
We (Groningen) indeed have a problem with a very small group (maybe +/- 50 people) of coked-out criminals who intimidate staff, stewards, and supporters. Last week v Ajax, they managed to sneak smoke bombs into the stadium by threatening stewards just to get the game abandoned asap. Some hooligans/criminals of other clubs, such as Beerschot of Belgium, are friends with them and were in attandance as well. It has been the worst season on the pitch in Groningen's history (18 points in 33 matches), but our club is rotten off the pitch as well. Worrying times...
@@wife9571 Nobody uses the term 'sodomy' today. For good reason. Would it have been acceptable to say he doesn't mind being 'buggered' on a weekly basis?
not part of the lgbtq community myself but i appreciate you, a big youtuber in the football community, constantly calling out homophobes, because the football fan community is brimming with them and it's incredibly dumb. thanks alfie.
As a bi guy keep that bs out of football it's that simple. I don't want to see politics or agendas being pushed in football wether i agree with them or not. Some people have beliefs that disagree with others it's there right as long as they are not pushing for violence against people who have a different way of life. Stop trying to make people accept ways of life they don't agree with it's that simple.
@Blaze Pukka watch the video. Gambling and alcohol are shirt sponsors for clubs that these players play for, which are also haram. Surely this is a 'way of life they don't agree with' and should have a similar outrage towards these sponsors. Boycotting a campaign showing solidarity with people who've faced violence and prejudice because of their sexuality is such a self report and, as Alfie says, showcases why they're needed more.
@@blazepukka2264 and you don't get to disagree about gay people being allowed to live if you find supporting them against homophobia absurd then you got issues not everything requires your opinion, not everything is a debate
I'm not sure if you'll see this, Alfie, but I'm a queer woman. Despite loving your content I fear watching this video might end up just upsetting me due to the circumstances through no fault of your own. I just wanted to say that youre probably the only football channel that hasn't ever made me feel bad for being a woman or for being gay. I thank you for that, truly.
@@nikolasavic9275 prolly cuz a lot of football channels and fans r casually homophobic and football is seen as a masculine sport with female fans and players being thought of as a joke
Alfie, honestly, this is why we come here, no bullshit trying to appease everyone, you do your work, you use journalistic facts when you need to, you clearly separate them from your opinions and when you give your opinions you make them heard Screw homophobia, period
Yes it is appeasement. If it was in support of the opposite, his video would be demonetised and most likely removed from RUclips. So he will never do something to jeopardise his videos will he. So he has to show support. Use some common sense.
I absolutely love it when someone can shift my perspective so effectively with one argument. Really well constructed and thought out. I appreciate the time and effort you have put into this.
It goes down the drain when you want to force people to ride with you. It goes against what they want to supposedly promote. Diversity and tolerance.... Only if you think and looks like me. There is no argument from the start. Using oppressive manners to fight oppression is never going to work.
@@sirterryratchett i can't exactly speak for him but I myself was homophbic due to the members of the LGBT people spreading unnesicary agenda everywhere and FORCING it upon kids
@@sirterryratchett it probably was on the statements made by the players and how they sounded somewhat understandable rather than outright homophobia but this video changed his mind
I've had lots of football fans tell me that racism is worse than any other prejudice and that the other prejudices should be ignored. All prejudice in the game needs to be addressed
Since Homophobia is still such a big issue in world football, it is quite remarkable that you stand so clearly as an ally, aswell as basically educating ont this topic. Hats off for giving your voice to those, who still suffer from discrimination.
@@lenenlawless "homophobia". It means Afraid of Homosexuals. People use the term incorrectly. Not celebrating homosexuality does not = homophobia. And it's not a "big issue" in football or anywhere. They're the most coddled, entitled group in the modern western world.
I do think campaigns like this are quite important when there is a seemingly large proportion of young football fans online who are homophobic, if say a 13 or 14 year old boy sees mbappe or another of their idols supporting LGBT people then it could push them to more tolerant beliefs, this is amplified by footballs large audience.
i am 100% uneffected by the phobias you touched on in this video but You have brightened my day just by making this compassionate case for our lgbtq friends. Thank You!
I'm trans ftm and my bf is trans ftm. Glad to have an ally, was very respectful in this video and agree with everything you said. I do not understand the hate for anybody honestly. Aslong as you respect me, I'll respect you back and that's how it should be but unfortunately it's not which is why these things need to be talked about.
this channel is my save haven. being a bisexual football fan it is pretty tiring seeing constant anti-lgbtq or even other forms of bigotry and hatred within the online community. love that there are football fans that do advocate for basic human rights, even if it’s a minority (which is scary)
You are valid. Football is for everyone. Everyone against the LGBTQ+ community but calls themselves a football fan has missed the entire meaning of the game
So what, do you want everyone be like "Congrats for being bisexual you are amazing" thats pathetic, you are not special nor am I. You guys are attacking anyone who doesn't support you "cause", you guys have respect only for the ones who think like you... If someone doesn't want to wear that stupid rainbow doesn't mean they hate you they just don't want to be forced into doing something they are not confortable with.
@@Kooptj People don't want "congratulations". They want "I'm not going to verbally or physically attack you for no other reason than you are LGBT+" why are people not comfortable wearing it? Does the discomfort come from supporting something they hate? Usually if someone is at least completely neutral to an issue, there is no argument for or against supporting anything
@@Dunny261the discomfort can be from having a religious belief or the belief that politics shouldn't collide with sports, something a lot of people hold. I am against the gay armbands etc yet I do accept gay people for who they are. It's not about intollerance it's about needless politicalisation of entertainment and sports. (If it's not that person is just bad tho)
I don't often comment on videos but I just wanted to say thank you, Alfie, for always going above and beyond on this topic. It can be a disheartening space to be involved in for LGBTQ+ football fans and it means a lot to have a content creator go beyond the bare minimum of allyship!
@@ILKILO1 easy answer! it’s people who both play and follow football as a sport. a certain percentage of those people happen to be lgbtq+ and deserve to feel welcome in football spaces. hope this helps!
@@aarondickinson23 funny that you mention a certain percentage....because the lgbt community is less than 5% of the world population but look how everybody must bend over backwards for them....
"I respect gay people, but my beliefs keep me from supporting their movement" And what belief could that be, other than homophobia ? Doesnt make any sense
since this is a comment which may be viewed I will say this here. Whilst Alfie's point at 9:28 is valid about the fact that it was a campaign to say "do not abuse or discriminate against gay people" people tend to misunderstand context a lot. For example when I was younger I used to always say in class about how much I love Messi and then people would say I was gay. Far from it I loved everything about Messi but just not erotically (and there are many more instances of my life with people misunderstanding context). I could give you another. When I was younger some people and I were arguing about whether or not we only inhale Oxygen and only exhale Carbon Dioxide (being the smart one that I am, I obviously said that we inhale all gases that would be in our proximity.) They then went to a girl who was older than us and went to a quite reputable University and she did not agree with me. They also made it a point to tell me that she went to a good University. Then I said, not because she goes to a reputable University means that she is exempted from being stupid. They then went and told the girl that I said she was stupid. Similarly with those three players. If they go and participate in anything that supports, upholds, defends, legalizes, raises awareness etc. it may just be taken out of context.
It’s a sad reality that football is pretty far behind the times in terms of social acceptance. Racism is still rampant (Vinicius Junior is probably the biggest example right now but definitely not the only one), homophobia is even more rampant (just ask yourself how many players have come out of the closet the way Jakub Jankto or Thomas Hitzlsperger did and even those two have faced a lot of backlash) and we don’t do anything about it just because clubs don’t want to lose the support of said racist/homophobic fans. Brilliant video Alfie as per usual. It’s amazing how you have been able to put out amazing content on a consistent basis for the last 6 years.
There's no such thing as "behind the times". There is the culture of the people, and then the manufactured culture that the state and corporations try to create for us.
@@Nemophilist850 I don’t agree with this. If this were true, then we would see the same patterns of racism, homophobia and general hooliganism we see in men’s football in other areas and that’s verifiably untrue (women’s football for instance, but also in other non football related areas)
@@Nemophilist850I think the evidence is pretty clear considering anyone that isn't a 15-30 year old roided r'tard is fleeing watching live football in the stands. Football culture is medieval in comparisson to the culture at large.
Been watching/listening to you for years and due to being trans, I always slightly fear what youtubers/artists would think about me, due to being met with quiete a bit of discrimantion from strangers. I'm over the moon happy, after this video & I don't see any other football-youtuber speaking about these lgbtq+ rights or even acknowladging that this is happening. Thank you so much! ♡
That's lovely to hear. ❤ Everyone should be accepted for who they are, and what they believe in. I think the world be a far better place if everyone could hold on to those values/morals - Truly. I'd really like to know your thoughts on whether the footballers who chose not to participate in the Campaign discussed in this video, were treated with the same level of respect, and support, for their own beliefs, as you personally felt from this video? Personally, i think the moral of this, is that we need to be accepting, whether we agree or disagree. The footballers who opted not to take part in the campaign, could have instead, continued to play, but not wear the colors - which IMO would be far more disrespectful and 'Phobic' than what they did, which was respectfully, opt out. If they truly believe that they should not participate, then put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself, WWYD? I think you'd do exactly what they did. So, I say leave them alone, respect their beliefs, and be thankful that respect is being shown, all around. Surely, that's the harmonious way forward right? This video is not very nice to the people who are being respectful towards your cause....
@@bludmoon4508 You're comparing their right to express their beliefs with other people's right to live a peaceable existence. And if you'd watched the video, you'd know how stupid that argument is.
Betclic is the exclusive sponsor of the French Cup and a team in every match must wear it as the shirt sponsor. Toulouse’s shirt sponsor in league matches is a real estate developer. Zakaria Aboukhlal could have upheld his belief against gambling by refusing to play in the French cup to promote the betting sponsor. So to people on your twitter who claim that he couldn’t choose Toulouse’s sponsor and had no choice in wearing it, he did and could have refused then.
Impressive how these players managed to post such long statements about how they wanted their own personal beliefs to be respected without stating what, exactly, those personal beliefs are. Almost like they know that those personal beliefs would be obviously and blatantly homophobic if they said them outright. Top work as always Alfie.
Why does anyone, regardless if they are a world famous athlete or a working class guy, owe you an explanation of their beliefs. Do you have even the slightest clue how big of a hypocrite you are? YOU do not get to demand (or in your case, passive aggressively write a cloying, self congratulatory comment in a random video about football and homophobia) a response from ANYONE, let alone a Superstar athlete. Nobody likes discrimination. It's just that you are going about pointing it out in the wrong way
@@BobSmith-cq9xb the players are the ones who chose not to play and cited their personal beliefs as the reason for making that choice. Not sure what's hypocritical about expecting them to state what those beliefs are if they're using them as a reason for not playing. And, given that they cited those beliefs to get out of taking part in an anti-discrimination event, not quite sure how it shows that 'nobody likes discrimination' either.
@@joshsymon6992 no that's such a donkey reason for being homophobic and if religion was so important they wouldn't wear betting sponsors would they lad
I think the huge issue in France, and really in the UK too in terms of the pro-LGBT things in football, it comes off as extremely tone deaf since most of the ownership groups are from Saudi Arabia, Qatar or UAE, in all three nations gay relationships are illegal, and in Saudi Arabia it could get you thrown off a building.
ding ding ding! spot on! empty gestures knowing who the higher ups are at the club! nothing worse than empty gestures, even having nothing would be better than that, as this way, we all know they are just doing it for image, THEY KNOW its wrong, and still continue to do it... embarassing
Thank you as always Alfie. I first became interested in the beautiful game in high school as I grew into myself. I have a background in American football, played it for years, but reached a turning point in my late teens as I just couldn’t take the constant homophobia, racism, and bullying associated with American football culture. Within American football culture, association football is often seen as “gay” or effeminate, and often referred to in homophobic terms. So naturally, I gravitated more towards it as I moved further away from the sport that didn’t accept me. I saw supporters like the Portland Timbers army and St.Pauli ultras and countless others waving rainbow flags, singing Bella Ciao, being intimidating and accepting at the same time. I found a sporting culture that actually felt more open to someone like me and many of the people I love. Many years later, it’s quite ironic to look back on my younger self, believing that global football would be a less homophobic place than the American football I was raised around. At the end of the day, I fell in love with the beautiful game and will likely never fall out of love with it, but the culture around it must be improved. We need to keep fighting for a better future for football, one in which homophobia, racism, misogyny, and all forms of discrimination are not tolerated. Thanks for being a leader in that fight Alfie. Your impact is real, and your words are valued by many of us.
@@theredhall-thisisfootball do you even understand racism and homophobia? It's fine if you don't like or agree with the idea. but being a racist or homophobia, you're simply not just 'not agreeing'. It is much more, and it has direct 'consequence' to the subject being discriminated against. like yeah you can hate queer player all you like but you CAN'T go around beating them or hurl insults or arrest someone because they have different skin color. I think the gist is to be more tolerant and accepting.
All of the anti gay rhetoric spouted in the comments on posts about Gueye and the Qatar world cup over the last couple of years have really made me lose my love for football. I appreciate you making a video like this Alfie although I know for a fact most homophobes don't listen to logic.
Same, other than Alfie cause of videos like this, I've completely removed myself from all football spaces online cause of the hatred present and I just watch the games by myself and that's it
@@AEK1054 bro the rainbow numbers were for international day against homophobia. The rainbow is associated with pride but the numbers weren’t to do with pride.
@@mattlook1573 that's your perspective. How can a symbol symbolizes one thing everywhere, everyday but suddenly mean something the next?The EXACT symbol. You can't just literally make a new meaning for the symbol for one day and the next. Am I the only see the obvious b.s?Extremism with a pretty clolourful rainbow on top is all I can see where members justify villinizing non-conformers in hope "betterment of the world". History repeating,over, over and over again with a little.change in settings. Why didn't we think of this for racism? Lets.make a flag together, says it means all life matter bs and if obviously the persons who refuse to wear it for whatever reason are obviously racist to their core. Easy way to find the bigots and shut them down right? All person who didn't do BLM thing for whatever reasons which were many are just backwards fools right cause All lives do matter and not participating objectively show they don't care about all lives. Let's extend this to charities too, if you don't contribute to the cause of a certain charity, you clearly hate it. No excuse is worth saving a life after all. Isn't this all for the "GREATER GOOD?".
As a queer football fan, it couldn't be more obvious to me that all these awareness campaigns were designed by heterosexual cisgender people. I am totally in favour of awareness campaigns, but they shouldn't be designed in a way that allows homophobes to hijack the entire thing. Campaigns that force everyone to participate only serve to give a platform to homophobia, which only makes me feel less safe if anything. Besides, the point shouldn't be to convert the person wearing the mandated rainbow colours to a life of love and acceptance, it should be to foster a gradual change in football culture; one that goes beyond the 22 on the field. My personal approach would be to specifically identify players and managers at each club who genuinely want to make a statement against homophobia. This way, players who don't want to participate in it don't get to claim they're being forced to comply and the focus will be on the actual role models instead.
Thank you for picking up this topic. As a queer woman in football spaces it is great to hear a straight man take the work upon themselves to speak about problems and educate others. Great and responsible use of your platform.
Found myself agreeing with literally every Single point. Seriously, is it so hard to just let gay people....live? Like, is that really so genuinely difficult?
It’s an anti discrimination campaign. Did the Black Lives Matter kneeling inject melanin into your skin? If it were a propaganda campaign they’d just show you gay porn on billboards until your fragile heterosexuality caved in and converted
Your knowledge of football, society and ability to understand everyone’s point whilst also sticking to your morales in your opinion. Makes this the greatest football RUclips account.
Do you know why gambling is haram? Because prize money games (e.g professional sports) is haram. Has anyone pointed this out to these professional athletes?
Thank you for an excellent video, which was well explained and with a light touch. I still remember the suicide of Justin Fashanu in an era of football that was even more bigoted and hostile to gays.
Huh.... okay, this take lacks nuance and is a bit privileged. Yes, It is possible that these footballers and their Muslim supporters have a double standard to this campaign and the obvious alcohol/betting advertising. People are unintentionally hypocritical by nature, but doesn't excuse it in anyway. If a Muslim player wanted to come out in supporter of this campaign it is entirely possible that the greater Islamic public will see it as an endorsement of homosexuality rather than what it actually is, an anti-discriminatory campaign, and that no amount of explaining of their interpretation will make the inevitable abuse, hate and threats any easier on them and their loved ones. The real world reality is that the consequences for Idrissa Gueye is much greater than the cost to us reading his tweet. He is from Dakar, not Charing Cross. My wife is from Northan Nigeria, not too far from the school that had 200 girls kidnapped from their class for the audacious attemp of trying to gain an education. Some parts of the world, places you Alfie would never dare to go, are unpredictable and dangerous but they are places these players call home. It is not fair to make such a video without considering this reality!!
Thank you for always speaking up about these issues. It means so much when so much of the football discussion online is laced with homophobia or homophobia apologia
“Forced” you mean that queer people are finally being more represented in media? Truly what is being “forced” on you? The recognition that there are gay people in the world? No one wants to make you gay, no one wants to “shove anything down your throat” or whatever the newest homophobic buzzphrase is. Gay people exist, and have always existed, and sometimes we see them in shows and movies and sports and anywhere else we see people. Welcome to living in a society.
Yeah, this must be stopped. I remember when UEFA fined Celtic because their fans raised rainbow flags during the UCL game....oh, wait, sorry. Those were Palestinian flags
10:06 - Bad analogy. Deliberate actions are different than DNA conditions that barely affect anything else. Simply not wanting to promote homosexualism if you don't approve the action and say that nonetheless homesexuals should be simply left in peace is more like a vegan not wanting to promote McDonald's. Simply people living their lives without forcing others into anything.
@@raphaelovicstrassovic9440 One can have any urges and choose to not act on them. I may feel horny for my friend's hot wife - and this doesn't mean I will flirt with her. Unless you think humans can act simply on instinct and not a rational mind.
@@rothbardfreedom yes but you can't control your urges. You cannot decide whether you are attracted to women or not. And if you are attracted to men then you can't simply choose to make out with women instead because you are simply not attracted to them
@@albertmiller2electricbooga897 but why should people accept things they don't care for? This is forcing beliefs onto people. Most people don't even care abt gay or straight, they care abt being forced to say they are for or against it.
Just have a look at what percentage of p3d0s are gay... Just have a look at the much worse psychological conditions of members of the lgbt community... Just have a look at the suicide rate/attempted suicide rate of the lgbt community... Should I continue?
No it’s not ironic because you’re being Eurocentric and it shouldn’t matter to an African player that his name means something in a foreign language to him. That’s a very immature way to think about people and their languages. What difference would it make if I told you that your name in my native language means uncivilised baboon? Nothing to you.
This is ridiculous. Pushing the LGBT agenda and everyone has to go along with it. Where's the freedom? I feel like the players are reasonable in saying they respect everyone. Someone can respect all people but not support this agenda. People can stand up and fight for peoples rights, but they don't have to promote it.
Why dont you take care of your own life? You dont need to do anything, actually not doing anything would help a lot. Focus on yourself instead of going for others.
@@HITCSevens That's good I live in the megapolis and do not face such problems, mate :) However, I get to the end of the video, where you say that people should support freedom of speech, but definitely not respect some outrageous points of view. That's a good point, so chill out, I have nothing against you, no need to exchange insults.
I think they're pretty comparable, they're both things that people can't change. A gay person didn't choose to be gay, a straight person didn't choose to be straight just like a white person didn't choose to be white and a black person didn't choose to be black and so on. I think there is still more racism in the world than homophobia but I don't think one is worse than the other. They're both hatred based on what a person can't control.
I strive to treat people with respect, even those I strongly disagree with. However, I feel no obligation to respect the unjustified beliefs of others. You are free to believe stupid things, and I am free to analyze and criticize your stupid beliefs.
I'm the French voice among your subscribers. I don't like these campaigns : rainbow numbers, putting "respect" in kits during UEFA games, the knee during black lives matter, etc. While the sentiment is good, it's marketing. Nothing more, nothing less. If they actually cared about LGBT+ people and other issues, they would have done much better. The last example being Vinicius last night. As long as it doesn't hurt the business, it will go on. It has always been the case and sadly, I don't think it will change. As a Muslim, I can't support the cause as it is opposed to my believes. But it doesn't mean I accept that LGBT+ people deserve to be harassed, insulted and beaten up. Same with people who aren't Muslims or opposed to my political believes. And you're right : they mustn't promote betting companies and like Kanouté in the past, they must hide it. Shahid Afridi, a cricket player, hides a betting sponsor on his kit. So, if they wanted to, they would have hidden it with tape. I don't buy kits if they have a betting sponsor, or alcohol, cigarretes, junk food. Careful : Betclic isn't the sponsor of Toulouse. During Cup games in France, we don't have the same sponsor. It's either Betclic or Crédit Agricole, a French bank. At least, for this season. Toulouse's actual sponsor is LP Promotion, real estate company.
A more light-hearted idea: talk about the rise of Farul Constanta, who just won the Romanian league title for the first time ever. It’s a gorgeous coastal city right on the Black Sea
To be fair, engaging in homosexual acts is a much bigger sin in Islam than gambling or drinking alcohol. To say that he should be ok with wearing a pride symbol because he promotes gambling is like saying you should be ok with commiting murder because you like to sniff cocaine at the weekend.
Basically this an Islamophobic rant. Fair enough, but at least admit it Alfie. Apart from some tasteless politicking by the French football authorities, I've no idea what it has to do with homophobia in French football. Still, it's amusing to see the word 'homo' used - something I've not seen or heard since I was a child 50 years ago!
6:33 people are allowed to hold their own beliefs. Just like you're allowed to hold yours. As long as they don't harm others. Respect his own personal beliefs. Tolerance is not forcing others to believe what you believe, but allowing them to hold their own views
@@andreasgamperl9583 The ability or practice of tolerating; an acceptance of or patience with the beliefs, opinions or practices of others. From Latin "tolerō" meaning" endure. To put up with. Also, how do you not see the irony in saying "tolerance doesn't tolerate ..."? 😂🤣😂 If it doesn't tolerate, it is, by definition, NOT tolerance
Aboukhal asks to be treated with respect while not showing respect to LGBTQ people. It’s up there with “I’m not a racist, but”. Irony impairment at it’s finest.
It’s not homophobic to decline to take part in an anti homophobic campaign. Your reasoning as well as mockery on Twitter was in bad taste. The betting comparison isn’t even relevant because the world has that in abundance and one can’t avoid it but people can avoid the LGBT matter altogether. If anything, you’re being unfair to them.
Did you forget this has taken place in France, one of the gayest countries in the world? These players decided to move to an extremely progressive lgbt rights country for money and are up in arms when asked to support lgbt discrimination
A lot of you really don't seem to understand how forcing someone to wear a flag or symbol is wrong because it's your beliefs that are being propagated And before you say that nobody was forced to do it, this is what happens to players who don't want to, suddenly there's a ''crisis'' and these players are homophobes. I don't see why a lot of the LGBT people don't want to just live their lives, but have to constantly be validated on every single thing imaginable
Because they can’t even “just live their lives”? Have you lived in a cave for your entire life? Have you even read the news about politicians seeking to ban LGBT+ people to appear in the public?
your own argument can be used against you. i mean why do muslim people (for example) not just live their lives? why do they have to constantly be validated on every single thing regarding homosexuality. not wearing a rainbow flag because of religion but proudly wearing a betting sponsor is homophobic... like objectively. you cannot pick and choose when you're religious just to suit your own agenda.
@@chadchadderton Is someone being forced to cater to muslims constantly? Is someone being forced to wear armbands and flags of muslim countries? Do you not see how this is wrong? Are you detached from reality or any sense of humanity to the level that you don't see how it's absolutely wrong to force someone to adhere to your ideology?
Okay first of all: you are trying to attack players for not participating even tho in their faith is against it. You are talking about them disrespecting the LGBT community, whilst you are literally disrespecting their culture. Second of all: so what if they "disrespect" the LGBT community. That's their own opinion and belief which you should respect, which you don't.
The fact u said they can disrespect the lgbt but u have to respect them disrespecting them cause it’s their belief is so funny. It’s my belief and opinion that anyone who disrespects someone who is gay doesn’t deserve any respect it’s my opinion and belief respect it.
You are asking us to respect people who disrespect others, in this case based solely on their sexual orientation? That's quite a dangerous slippery slope.
good proper english video... good thing everything is fine in england, and there is no a) racism, b) sexism, c) homophobia, or d) hooligans in football anymore :)))))))) oh wait
It's not just Ligue 1. Homophobia in football is so rampant it's disgraceful. Just look and any RUclips comments section on a football video and you'll see it's rank with homophobes, misogynists, and all types of other despicable characters.
11:40 I may be wrong to keep thinking your intelligent, but I really would be thought you'd know better than to say "oh you believe in this do you? Well here's this other unrelated thing that you're doing wrong.... If you are a liar, why do you claim to believe that murder is wrong?" Silly silly Alfie.
As a queer person, let me make a suggestion for compromise: Any player who does not wish to participate in these campaigns can wear their normal kit, but must also wear a swastika armband so people understand why. I respect their right to have their opinion; but not their right to claim it's not intolerant fascist nonsense, because it definitely is.
what was hilarious to me is during the world cup game of USA vs England, the American players not kneeling down for the black lives matter thingy, while the English players did 😂😂 GEORGE FLOYD WAS AMERICAN!!! If they stopped, its time to stop it in England, because its now an empty gesture. These things last a week or max a month or so, before they become counter productive. When will it stop? Will they still be kneeling in 2-3 years? 😂 ridiculous...
@@csanadhorvath George Floyd was a shitty criminal who was resisting arrest and his deaths sparked a massive crime wave and the legit ponzi scheme known as BLM. There was little tragic about what happened to Floyd and the robberies and mass destruction just an excuse which set off a crime wave that still has not subsided to pre BLM levels in many places.
@@shibainudogweather the question is why should anyone be forced to do something they don’t want or are not comfortable with. How is that freedom, many people just want to live and carry on with their lives. Those who discriminate should be punished. But right now we are ostracising a minority group who only refused to wear a rainbow jersey. They didn’t break any rules or laws. They are free to do what they want as long as its in line with the laws of the state
Here I am, a confused American. I was absolutely certain that all French people were gay. This came as an absolute shock. What’s next, Italians are straight. I’m so lost and confused.
As a gay man I have no problem with people who don’t except homosexuality for religious reasons or just personal reasons. Everyone has the right to their own opinion and views and I see no point in trying to change their minds as long as they don’t go out attacking gay/trans people I don’t care
I'm 100% with your view... Live and let live. That being said, the LGBT+++ political/social engineering groups, spend their time and money dividing and dealing out guilt. Sadly, many tolerant people buy the BS.
Ok hear me out As a Muslim I understand them You can't support something that is haram LGBTQ people have all of our respect and that's what we expect back It's just like saying if you're not islamophoic go with Islamic people and help spreading Islam or wear shirts with Allah written on it That's not what you should expect from someone who's religious beliefs are different Also on side note sometimes Muslim being exclusive on what they think haram like he mentioned Gambling and Alcohol are just as haram they're also wrong
Archaic beliefs should not be tolerated in western society, especially in a country like France that has no religion and some of the strictest laws regarding religious garments. Addtionally, gambling and alcohol sponsors are absolutely everywhere in football, and im sure there are countless examples of Muslim players who play for teams/wear shirts that contain at least one of these or are sponsored by one. If as a Muslim you dont believe being gay is fine, thats okay, so long as you're willing to accept that you have to promote equality and diversity, including the various rainbow movements adopted within football. This is the west after all, and the rampant homophobia/prejudice within football is disgusting and disgraceful. By not participating, these players are actively part of the problem and, in my opinion, should not be allowed to play within these countries if they won't accept a simple act to help spread awareness. Nobody is saying be gay or be friends with gay people, theyre just trying to help stop prejudice, and bring eqaulity.
@@matthewchallis7786 as a Muslim Or a human being I have no problem in being a friend with gay And also I'm just saying either you should say no to both or you have to accept both there's no way in between
This is the second one he went on a rant about the psg player when it just happened he couldn't just be and let be he wants the player to support a sexual choice no he doesn't have to its his choice
So when your religious views don’t align with wearing rainbow flags on your jersey you’re just supposed to abandon what you grew up with to appease the league that you play it? How does lgbt rights supercede the right to free speech? Pretty sure when you sign up to play football it doesn’t coincide with you having to support something that is directly against what you believe in? How is that such a far fetched concept for people to understand?
I find it comical that you interpret their opinion as pro homophobic. It is against their religious belief and they distance themselves from the movement. Their stance dose not promote any hate speech or suggest any discrimination towards any individual.
Got so much respect for how you use your platform. Its incredibly refreshing to hear a football RUclips actually address social and economic issues regularly instead of pretending they don't exist within the game. Been watching every video for years and only just clocked im not subbed, quickly changed that.
Next you could cover spanish football's racism crisis. It has come back to the spotlight due to the racial insults against Vinicius but it's no novelty. Just a bit over a decade ago fans legitimally threw bananas at players like Dani Alves when they went for corner kicks. I'd say it's one of spanish football's biggest issues, probably only behind the ridiculous amount of corruption in league ownership and the federation
brilliant idea
Also do something about the lack of diversity in Africa, they need to stop with the black supremacy!
Italy is much worse I only ever hear vini getting abused in Spain were it's every player of different skin colour in Italy
And the dani Alves banana was like 2010 not really relevant today
yes great idea
In Italy that's so prevalent that nobody seems to notice anymore.
Could you maybe cover the recent surge in hooliganism in dutch football? Groningen is basically controlled by the ultras these days
Yes, I think hooliganism in Dutch football deserves a video... too many incidents lately.
Yeah especially as west ham fans just experienced it with AZ ultras it must be on his radar
We (Groningen) indeed have a problem with a very small group (maybe +/- 50 people) of coked-out criminals who intimidate staff, stewards, and supporters. Last week v Ajax, they managed to sneak smoke bombs into the stadium by threatening stewards just to get the game abandoned asap. Some hooligans/criminals of other clubs, such as Beerschot of Belgium, are friends with them and were in attandance as well. It has been the worst season on the pitch in Groningen's history (18 points in 33 matches), but our club is rotten off the pitch as well. Worrying times...
Didn't one west ham fan hold back 100s of az fans from attacking families?
Did you guys see the story about the AZ Alkmaar ultras at the West Ham game? Horrific.
Plays for Everton suggesting he doesn’t mind being sodomised on a weekly basis is one of the best quotes this channel has come out with
I had such a good laugh at that line lmao
this guy makes a literal r*pe joke in the same video crying about people not wanting to wear a lgbt emblem, what a phoney hahahaha
@@AEK1054 what part of the joke is homophobic ☠️ are you mad
@@AEK1054 I'm no 'ally' of the LBGT cause but even I found that offensive and repellent. Shame on Alfie!
@@wife9571 Nobody uses the term 'sodomy' today. For good reason. Would it have been acceptable to say he doesn't mind being 'buggered' on a weekly basis?
not part of the lgbtq community myself but i appreciate you, a big youtuber in the football community, constantly calling out homophobes, because the football fan community is brimming with them and it's incredibly dumb. thanks alfie.
Agreed mate. A bunch of loud-mouth brain-dead fannies giving the rest of us a bad name.
As a bi guy keep that bs out of football it's that simple. I don't want to see politics or agendas being pushed in football wether i agree with them or not. Some people have beliefs that disagree with others it's there right as long as they are not pushing for violence against people who have a different way of life. Stop trying to make people accept ways of life they don't agree with it's that simple.
@Blaze Pukka watch the video. Gambling and alcohol are shirt sponsors for clubs that these players play for, which are also haram. Surely this is a 'way of life they don't agree with' and should have a similar outrage towards these sponsors. Boycotting a campaign showing solidarity with people who've faced violence and prejudice because of their sexuality is such a self report and, as Alfie says, showcases why they're needed more.
@@blazepukka2264 and you don't get to disagree about gay people being allowed to live
if you find supporting them against homophobia absurd then you got issues
not everything requires your opinion, not everything is a debate
@@Adizero2 Exactly, what is it with these fools, it’s like saying you don’t believe in ginger-haired people lol
I'm not sure if you'll see this, Alfie, but I'm a queer woman. Despite loving your content I fear watching this video might end up just upsetting me due to the circumstances through no fault of your own. I just wanted to say that youre probably the only football channel that hasn't ever made me feel bad for being a woman or for being gay. I thank you for that, truly.
Thank you for saying exactly how I felt too. I’m saddened by the lack of views but I hope Alfie knows that we support him and feel his support, too.
how tf would football chanell make you feel bad,that's bs
@@nikolasavic9275 prolly cuz a lot of football channels and fans r casually homophobic and football is seen as a masculine sport with female fans and players being thought of as a joke
@@nikolasavic9275 so you know how a random person on the internet feels? Are you some kinda wizard? 🤡
@@nikolasavic9275 many football channels openly back owners known for homophobia (like the United stand)
Alfie, honestly, this is why we come here, no bullshit trying to appease everyone, you do your work, you use journalistic facts when you need to, you clearly separate them from your opinions and when you give your opinions you make them heard
Screw homophobia, period
He' appeasing the gays lol
@@FLIXD_JM199 defending your values and showing solidarity with a group you sympathise with is not appeasement.
@@FLIXD_JM199You either didn’t watch the video or are incredibly stupid. Probably both to be honest.
Yes it is appeasement.
If it was in support of the opposite, his video would be demonetised and most likely removed from RUclips.
So he will never do something to jeopardise his videos will he.
So he has to show support.
Use some common sense.
Joe Mama and Craig Gibbons don't know what appease means. What a surprise, said no one.
I absolutely love it when someone can shift my perspective so effectively with one argument. Really well constructed and thought out. I appreciate the time and effort you have put into this.
Thank you for listening and changing your mind Damien. All the best :)
It goes down the drain when you want to force people to ride with you.
It goes against what they want to supposedly promote.
Diversity and tolerance.... Only if you think and looks like me.
There is no argument from the start.
Using oppressive manners to fight oppression is never going to work.
Hi Damien, I'd be curious to hear what your position was beforehand and what argument made you change your mind?
@@sirterryratchett i can't exactly speak for him but I myself was homophbic due to the members of the LGBT people spreading unnesicary agenda everywhere and FORCING it upon kids
@@sirterryratchett it probably was on the statements made by the players and how they sounded somewhat understandable rather than outright homophobia but this video changed his mind
I've had lots of football fans tell me that racism is worse than any other prejudice and that the other prejudices should be ignored. All prejudice in the game needs to be addressed
Well said 👏
Let’s create campaigns for all of our fat, disabled, blind, Downsyndrome, amputee, Transgender, homeless, poor, rich, white, Asian, black, gypsie, wheelchair using, and homosexual footballers then
@@isaacjones5687 yes, why not?
Or better yet - none of it.
@@Nemophilist850 Why?
Since Homophobia is still such a big issue in world football, it is quite remarkable that you stand so clearly as an ally, aswell as basically educating ont this topic. Hats off for giving your voice to those, who still suffer from discrimination.
Gmafb. What a stupid made-up word that doesn't make any sense.
@@tigercap100 makes more sense than “gmafb”. Speak clearly if you’re trying to make a point about how something “doesn’t make sense”
@@tigercap100 what word is difficult for you to understand from the comment?
@@lenenlawless "homophobia". It means Afraid of Homosexuals. People use the term incorrectly. Not celebrating homosexuality does not = homophobia.
And it's not a "big issue" in football or anywhere. They're the most coddled, entitled group in the modern western world.
@@tigercap100 ahh I thought you was confused, nah you're just a nutter
I do think campaigns like this are quite important when there is a seemingly large proportion of young football fans online who are homophobic, if say a 13 or 14 year old boy sees mbappe or another of their idols supporting LGBT people then it could push them to more tolerant beliefs, this is amplified by footballs large audience.
i am 100% uneffected by the phobias you touched on in this video but You have brightened my day just by making this compassionate case for our lgbtq friends. Thank You!
What you said
I'm trans ftm and my bf is trans ftm. Glad to have an ally, was very respectful in this video and agree with everything you said. I do not understand the hate for anybody honestly. Aslong as you respect me, I'll respect you back and that's how it should be but unfortunately it's not which is why these things need to be talked about.
'maybe he's really bad at budgeting' while his Villa shirt contains the Quickbooks sponsor is one of your most sublime moments yet, ngl
this channel is my save haven. being a bisexual football fan it is pretty tiring seeing constant anti-lgbtq or even other forms of bigotry and hatred within the online community. love that there are football fans that do advocate for basic human rights, even if it’s a minority (which is scary)
You are valid. Football is for everyone. Everyone against the LGBTQ+ community but calls themselves a football fan has missed the entire meaning of the game
So what, do you want everyone be like "Congrats for being bisexual you are amazing" thats pathetic, you are not special nor am I.
You guys are attacking anyone who doesn't support you "cause", you guys have respect only for the ones who think like you... If someone doesn't want to wear that stupid rainbow doesn't mean they hate you they just don't want to be forced into doing something they are not confortable with.
@@Kooptj People don't want "congratulations". They want "I'm not going to verbally or physically attack you for no other reason than you are LGBT+" why are people not comfortable wearing it? Does the discomfort come from supporting something they hate? Usually if someone is at least completely neutral to an issue, there is no argument for or against supporting anything
@@Dunny261the discomfort can be from having a religious belief or the belief that politics shouldn't collide with sports, something a lot of people hold. I am against the gay armbands etc yet I do accept gay people for who they are. It's not about intollerance it's about needless politicalisation of entertainment and sports. (If it's not that person is just bad tho)
How do you feel about the "Kick it out" campaign for racism? Is that also politicising sport, or is that more acceptable for you?
I don't often comment on videos but I just wanted to say thank you, Alfie, for always going above and beyond on this topic. It can be a disheartening space to be involved in for LGBTQ+ football fans and it means a lot to have a content creator go beyond the bare minimum of allyship!
fire burn
Still wondering what rainbow flags or sexuality have to do with football but whatever
@@ILKILO1 easy answer! it’s people who both play and follow football as a sport. a certain percentage of those people happen to be lgbtq+ and deserve to feel welcome in football spaces. hope this helps!
@@aarondickinson23 funny that you mention a certain percentage....because the lgbt community is less than 5% of the world population but look how everybody must bend over backwards for them....
@@ILKILO1 absolutely nothing bro.. stupid woke stuff
"I respect gay people, but my beliefs keep me from supporting their movement" And what belief could that be, other than homophobia ? Doesnt make any sense
Islam ?
Well find one that says the respect gays first 😂
@@blackniall8509more like schizophrenia cause his imaginary friend demands him to hate gay folk 😂
Well done Alfie, eloquently written and props to you for being an ally as well as an advocate for more conversation.
An ally of the T, who advocate for child abuse and mutilation.
Yeah alfies a real hero.
since this is a comment which may be viewed I will say this here. Whilst Alfie's point at 9:28 is valid about the fact that it was a campaign to say "do not abuse or discriminate against gay people" people tend to misunderstand context a lot. For example when I was younger I used to always say in class about how much I love Messi and then people would say I was gay. Far from it I loved everything about Messi but just not erotically (and there are many more instances of my life with people misunderstanding context). I could give you another. When I was younger some people and I were arguing about whether or not we only inhale Oxygen and only exhale Carbon Dioxide (being the smart one that I am, I obviously said that we inhale all gases that would be in our proximity.) They then went to a girl who was older than us and went to a quite reputable University and she did not agree with me. They also made it a point to tell me that she went to a good University. Then I said, not because she goes to a reputable University means that she is exempted from being stupid. They then went and told the girl that I said she was stupid. Similarly with those three players. If they go and participate in anything that supports, upholds, defends, legalizes, raises awareness etc. it may just be taken out of context.
So, you're also an "ally" of the same intolerant viewpoint this video promotes?
“I want you to respect my belief that you’re sub human, will burn in hell and shouldn’t live” religion is wild man.
If you don’t believe in said religious belief, why do you care so much of what these people who believe in fairytales according to you think
@@Utoob8 because those people also happen to be in positions to spread hatred?
@@KitoAkari1612 Their opinion would be you're in a position to spread a crime against God. Two can play that game.
I'm pretty sure your boy Alfie supported them refugees entering that very likely held such beliefs in a different video.
@@Utoob8I care what people who believe in the space fairies think because it leads them to hate and fear people who are different to them.
"you should respect my disrespect"
No, you should just leave me the f*** alone. I don't want to tell you who to have sex with, you shouldn't be telling me pay homage to your sexuality.
So you’re justifying Islamophobia and Christophobia?
@@bjehulk your strawman is showing
@@bjehulk I'm Catholic
It’s a sad reality that football is pretty far behind the times in terms of social acceptance. Racism is still rampant (Vinicius Junior is probably the biggest example right now but definitely not the only one), homophobia is even more rampant (just ask yourself how many players have come out of the closet the way Jakub Jankto or Thomas Hitzlsperger did and even those two have faced a lot of backlash) and we don’t do anything about it just because clubs don’t want to lose the support of said racist/homophobic fans. Brilliant video Alfie as per usual. It’s amazing how you have been able to put out amazing content on a consistent basis for the last 6 years.
Football is absolutely behind socially, and a lot of people want to keep it that way
There's no such thing as "behind the times". There is the culture of the people, and then the manufactured culture that the state and corporations try to create for us.
@@Nemophilist850 I don’t agree with this. If this were true, then we would see the same patterns of racism, homophobia and general hooliganism we see in men’s football in other areas and that’s verifiably untrue (women’s football for instance, but also in other non football related areas)
@@Nemophilist850 You know where you can shove your stupid conspiracies. Cultures aren't monolithic.
@@Nemophilist850I think the evidence is pretty clear considering anyone that isn't a 15-30 year old roided r'tard is fleeing watching live football in the stands. Football culture is medieval in comparisson to the culture at large.
You're doing a world class reporting that is better than most main stream media. Much respect
And Spain has a racism crisis. Crazy times
And Indonesia has a crisis with too many things. Crazy times.
And the Netherlands has a hooligan crisis. Crazy times.
Spain is racist, the homophobia crisis in france is against the homophobia lol, some players are homophobic and protest, different situation
@@VictorDurand-me5yu you mean Christian and nothing wrong with that, the fact that they want to call it a phobia rather than debate tells us all
@@stuartpenman6387 Religion is nit an excuse to be a shitty human, sorry.
Been watching/listening to you for years and due to being trans, I always slightly fear what youtubers/artists would think about me, due to being met with quiete a bit of discrimantion from strangers. I'm over the moon happy, after this video & I don't see any other football-youtuber speaking about these lgbtq+ rights or even acknowladging that this is happening. Thank you so much! ♡
Same here, as a bisexual football fan I have had to hide who I am in fear of being beaten up
I'm a furry
@@usernameisusernamegood for you man.
That's lovely to hear. ❤ Everyone should be accepted for who they are, and what they believe in. I think the world be a far better place if everyone could hold on to those values/morals - Truly.
I'd really like to know your thoughts on whether the footballers who chose not to participate in the Campaign discussed in this video, were treated with the same level of respect, and support, for their own beliefs, as you personally felt from this video?
Personally, i think the moral of this, is that we need to be accepting, whether we agree or disagree.
The footballers who opted not to take part in the campaign, could have instead, continued to play, but not wear the colors - which IMO would be far more disrespectful and 'Phobic' than what they did, which was respectfully, opt out.
If they truly believe that they should not participate, then put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself, WWYD? I think you'd do exactly what they did.
So, I say leave them alone, respect their beliefs, and be thankful that respect is being shown, all around. Surely, that's the harmonious way forward right?
This video is not very nice to the people who are being respectful towards your cause....
@@bludmoon4508 You're comparing their right to express their beliefs with other people's right to live a peaceable existence.
And if you'd watched the video, you'd know how stupid that argument is.
Betclic is the exclusive sponsor of the French Cup and a team in every match must wear it as the shirt sponsor. Toulouse’s shirt sponsor in league matches is a real estate developer. Zakaria Aboukhlal could have upheld his belief against gambling by refusing to play in the French cup to promote the betting sponsor. So to people on your twitter who claim that he couldn’t choose Toulouse’s sponsor and had no choice in wearing it, he did and could have refused then.
Unfortunate but extremely necessary video, thanks Alfie, let's kick bigotry out of football
Lets kick white supremacy out of football first.
The # being WeAreAllIdrissa is so funny because WeAreAllGueye would be absolutely hilarious in the most ironic of ways
Impressive how these players managed to post such long statements about how they wanted their own personal beliefs to be respected without stating what, exactly, those personal beliefs are. Almost like they know that those personal beliefs would be obviously and blatantly homophobic if they said them outright.
Top work as always Alfie.
Why does anyone, regardless if they are a world famous athlete or a working class guy, owe you an explanation of their beliefs.
Do you have even the slightest clue how big of a hypocrite you are?
YOU do not get to demand (or in your case, passive aggressively write a cloying, self congratulatory comment in a random video about football and homophobia) a response from ANYONE, let alone a Superstar athlete.
Nobody likes discrimination. It's just that you are going about pointing it out in the wrong way
@@BobSmith-cq9xb the players are the ones who chose not to play and cited their personal beliefs as the reason for making that choice. Not sure what's hypocritical about expecting them to state what those beliefs are if they're using them as a reason for not playing. And, given that they cited those beliefs to get out of taking part in an anti-discrimination event, not quite sure how it shows that 'nobody likes discrimination' either.
@@EvilAsmodean religion isnt enough?
@@joshsymon6992 no that's such a donkey reason for being homophobic and if religion was so important they wouldn't wear betting sponsors would they lad
@@joshsymon6992 dude just watch the video for an explanation why religion is indeed not enough
I think the huge issue in France, and really in the UK too in terms of the pro-LGBT things in football, it comes off as extremely tone deaf since most of the ownership groups are from Saudi Arabia, Qatar or UAE, in all three nations gay relationships are illegal, and in Saudi Arabia it could get you thrown off a building.
ding ding ding! spot on! empty gestures knowing who the higher ups are at the club! nothing worse than empty gestures, even having nothing would be better than that, as this way, we all know they are just doing it for image, THEY KNOW its wrong, and still continue to do it... embarassing
Thank you as always Alfie. I first became interested in the beautiful game in high school as I grew into myself. I have a background in American football, played it for years, but reached a turning point in my late teens as I just couldn’t take the constant homophobia, racism, and bullying associated with American football culture. Within American football culture, association football is often seen as “gay” or effeminate, and often referred to in homophobic terms. So naturally, I gravitated more towards it as I moved further away from the sport that didn’t accept me. I saw supporters like the Portland Timbers army and St.Pauli ultras and countless others waving rainbow flags, singing Bella Ciao, being intimidating and accepting at the same time. I found a sporting culture that actually felt more open to someone like me and many of the people I love. Many years later, it’s quite ironic to look back on my younger self, believing that global football would be a less homophobic place than the American football I was raised around. At the end of the day, I fell in love with the beautiful game and will likely never fall out of love with it, but the culture around it must be improved. We need to keep fighting for a better future for football, one in which homophobia, racism, misogyny, and all forms of discrimination are not tolerated. Thanks for being a leader in that fight Alfie. Your impact is real, and your words are valued by many of us.
But football should be football, it shouldn't be a platform to force things on people
@@theredhall-thisisfootball do you even understand racism and homophobia? It's fine if you don't like or agree with the idea. but being a racist or homophobia, you're simply not just 'not agreeing'. It is much more, and it has direct 'consequence' to the subject being discriminated against. like yeah you can hate queer player all you like but you CAN'T go around beating them or hurl insults or arrest someone because they have different skin color. I think the gist is to be more tolerant and accepting.
All of the anti gay rhetoric spouted in the comments on posts about Gueye and the Qatar world cup over the last couple of years have really made me lose my love for football. I appreciate you making a video like this Alfie although I know for a fact most homophobes don't listen to logic.
Same, other than Alfie cause of videos like this, I've completely removed myself from all football spaces online cause of the hatred present and I just watch the games by myself and that's it
He’s Muslim it’s against he’s religion and don’t see a problem in as long as he’s not hating on anyone
@@UrMom-qw4pz It's against his religion to support an anti discrimination campaign? Did you actually watch the video?
@@AEK1054 bro the rainbow numbers were for international day against homophobia. The rainbow is associated with pride but the numbers weren’t to do with pride.
@@mattlook1573 that's your perspective. How can a symbol symbolizes one thing everywhere, everyday but suddenly mean something the next?The EXACT symbol. You can't just literally make a new meaning for the symbol for one day and the next. Am I the only see the obvious b.s?Extremism with a pretty clolourful rainbow on top is all I can see where members justify villinizing non-conformers in hope "betterment of the world". History repeating,over, over and over again with a little.change in settings. Why didn't we think of this for racism?
Lets.make a flag together, says it means all life matter bs and if obviously the persons who refuse to wear it for whatever reason are obviously racist to their core. Easy way to find the bigots and shut them down right? All person who didn't do BLM thing for whatever reasons which were many are just backwards fools right cause All lives do matter and not participating objectively show they don't care about all lives. Let's extend this to charities too, if you don't contribute to the cause of a certain charity, you clearly hate it. No excuse is worth saving a life after all. Isn't this all for the "GREATER GOOD?".
As a queer football fan, it couldn't be more obvious to me that all these awareness campaigns were designed by heterosexual cisgender people. I am totally in favour of awareness campaigns, but they shouldn't be designed in a way that allows homophobes to hijack the entire thing. Campaigns that force everyone to participate only serve to give a platform to homophobia, which only makes me feel less safe if anything. Besides, the point shouldn't be to convert the person wearing the mandated rainbow colours to a life of love and acceptance, it should be to foster a gradual change in football culture; one that goes beyond the 22 on the field. My personal approach would be to specifically identify players and managers at each club who genuinely want to make a statement against homophobia. This way, players who don't want to participate in it don't get to claim they're being forced to comply and the focus will be on the actual role models instead.
That is the nature of capitalism. They don’t seek to improve inclusivity, they want their rainbow-printed merchs to be sold.
Can we please leave the word cisgender in 2023 it's the most redundant pointless word in the English language.
@@KingChaddii it literally doesn't matter if you say cisgender or 'not transgender'. I beg you please go worry about something important.
@Brian Storm Transgender has a meaning. Cisgender is false label with no real meaning. Essentially a buzz word
Don't call them CIS genderd. Its called a normal human being...
Thank you for picking up this topic. As a queer woman in football spaces it is great to hear a straight man take the work upon themselves to speak about problems and educate others. Great and responsible use of your platform.
A queer woman in football spaces? Oh God, I wish you only the best of luck and much strength, keep it up.
Best of luck my friend
You and your kind are ruining football. I hope you're happy 😡
@@Morgan_Black I found my niche, podcasting, going to the games that feel safe. Thank you!
Nice pfp
It’s so laughable the way they release statements with the word respect in them 10000000 times
Found myself agreeing with literally every Single point.
Seriously, is it so hard to just let gay people....live? Like, is that really so genuinely difficult?
Yes! Idrissa Gueye WAS stopping gay people from living! I'm glad someone else spotted this!
Who is stopping them to live.
@@s.m952 11 countries where they are put to death?
Yes, it ruins society. Look at the western world as proof
@@user-ih3jl9um6e they will not change that.
9:07 - 9:40 disagreed. Someone who doesn't partake in pro-life marches shouldn't be assumed to be against the sanctity of human life.
On the flip side, I have a lot of respect for the muslim players who DIDN'T boycott. It's a very low bar, but I'm glad it was cleared
Why would you have respect for them? They chose money over their values.
@@Nemophilist850 most players got payed their wage if they play or not so claiming that they chose 'money over morals' isn' a very valid claim
@@theoneandonly5371 Of course it is. This stuff will have all sorts of ramification for future deals.
That's a silver lining yes. France has a lot of Muslim players and only 3 decided to be bigots.
@@AEK1054 Bigoted people will never cease to exist unfortunately but at least we get to call them out.
The players who refused to be part of a corporate LGBT propaganda campaign are heroes.
It’s an anti discrimination campaign. Did the Black Lives Matter kneeling inject melanin into your skin? If it were a propaganda campaign they’d just show you gay porn on billboards until your fragile heterosexuality caved in and converted
@@ach_u What are you on about you absolute weirdo 😂😂 do you not understand what propaganda is
Your knowledge of football, society and ability to understand everyone’s point whilst also sticking to your morales in your opinion. Makes this the greatest football RUclips account.
Do you know why gambling is haram? Because prize money games (e.g professional sports) is haram. Has anyone pointed this out to these professional athletes?
lmaooooo the line about Gaye not minding being sodomised playing for everton killed me dead
As an Asexual man I’m used to being erased 😂 love you brother. This video is so good.
People erase you because you don't like sex?
No they don't.
Thank you for an excellent video, which was well explained and with a light touch. I still remember the suicide of Justin Fashanu in an era of football that was even more bigoted and hostile to gays.
Alfie, thank you for videos like this, you give me hope for the world ❤
Huh.... okay, this take lacks nuance and is a bit privileged.
Yes, It is possible that these footballers and their Muslim supporters have a double standard to this campaign and the obvious alcohol/betting advertising. People are unintentionally hypocritical by nature, but doesn't excuse it in anyway.
If a Muslim player wanted to come out in supporter of this campaign it is entirely possible that the greater Islamic public will see it as an endorsement of homosexuality rather than what it actually is, an anti-discriminatory campaign, and that no amount of explaining of their interpretation will make the inevitable abuse, hate and threats any easier on them and their loved ones.
The real world reality is that the consequences for Idrissa Gueye is much greater than the cost to us reading his tweet. He is from Dakar, not Charing Cross. My wife is from Northan Nigeria, not too far from the school that had 200 girls kidnapped from their class for the audacious attemp of trying to gain an education. Some parts of the world, places you Alfie would never dare to go, are unpredictable and dangerous but they are places these players call home. It is not fair to make such a video without considering this reality!!
So exactly the same thing
Thank you for always speaking up about these issues. It means so much when so much of the football discussion online is laced with homophobia or homophobia apologia
Most people who spent their lives on-line are shitty hate-filled people desperate to get into fights with people they don't know
What is homophobia?
@@MrISkater The intense and irrational dislike of gay people.
I see it being much more laced with intolerance disguised as anti homophobism. You're a prime example...
I think people are more tired of the forced nature that comes with lgbtq… from cinema, children shows and sports and etc…
“Forced” you mean that queer people are finally being more represented in media? Truly what is being “forced” on you? The recognition that there are gay people in the world? No one wants to make you gay, no one wants to “shove anything down your throat” or whatever the newest homophobic buzzphrase is. Gay people exist, and have always existed, and sometimes we see them in shows and movies and sports and anywhere else we see people. Welcome to living in a society.
Forced nature?
Yeah, this must be stopped. I remember when UEFA fined Celtic because their fans raised rainbow flags during the UCL game....oh, wait, sorry. Those were Palestinian flags
1:25 imagining a guy who first learnt about the existance of LGBTQ+ people from a football RUclips channel
6:20 - this may be one of your best one-liners so far. This is the quality content I come for.
Alfie was in rare form for this one, absolutely demolished 😂
10:06 - Bad analogy. Deliberate actions are different than DNA conditions that barely affect anything else.
Simply not wanting to promote homosexualism if you don't approve the action and say that nonetheless homesexuals should be simply left in peace is more like a vegan not wanting to promote McDonald's.
Simply people living their lives without forcing others into anything.
Homosexuality is nothing you choose
@@raphaelovicstrassovic9440 One can have any urges and choose to not act on them. I may feel horny for my friend's hot wife - and this doesn't mean I will flirt with her.
Unless you think humans can act simply on instinct and not a rational mind.
@@rothbardfreedom yes but you can't control your urges. You cannot decide whether you are attracted to women or not. And if you are attracted to men then you can't simply choose to make out with women instead because you are simply not attracted to them
Can someone explain to me why being gay is bad? Like I literally cannot see the problem with it
No one says it's a problem. The problem is when they force people to accept it.
@@Vakator-29 but why shouldnt you accept it if its not a problem?
@@albertmiller2electricbooga897 but why should people accept things they don't care for? This is forcing beliefs onto people. Most people don't even care abt gay or straight, they care abt being forced to say they are for or against it.
Just have a look at what percentage of p3d0s are gay...
Just have a look at the much worse psychological conditions of members of the lgbt community...
Just have a look at the suicide rate/attempted suicide rate of the lgbt community...
Should I continue?
@@Vakator-29 no one says that? Really? Lol
As usual, very high quality. Thank you for being constructive as always!
isn't it ironic that he's called gueye?
Yes. The video is about both Gay Rights and Gueye Rights.
No it’s not ironic because you’re being Eurocentric and it shouldn’t matter to an African player that his name means something in a foreign language to him. That’s a very immature way to think about people and their languages. What difference would it make if I told you that your name in my native language means uncivilised baboon? Nothing to you.
I’m getting sick of being forced to watch rainbows everywhere while watching football. I’m a Feyenoord fan and I’m proud my captain stood his ground.
poor you
Based Feyenoord fan
Probably because you pay way too much attention to it... I also watch a ton of football and barely notice it.
This is ridiculous. Pushing the LGBT agenda and everyone has to go along with it. Where's the freedom? I feel like the players are reasonable in saying they respect everyone. Someone can respect all people but not support this agenda. People can stand up and fight for peoples rights, but they don't have to promote it.
I guess
Why dont you take care of your own life? You dont need to do anything, actually not doing anything would help a lot. Focus on yourself instead of going for others.
@@kadatheklund2904 exactly. Why doesn't eeveryone mind their own business and not push an agenda
So y'all support freedom of speech, but just till you like what this speech contains?
I'm not sure how anyone could watch this video and come away with this conclusion, unless you were also powerfully kicked in the head by a horse.
@@HITCSevens That's good I live in the megapolis and do not face such problems, mate :)
However, I get to the end of the video, where you say that people should support freedom of speech, but definitely not respect some outrageous points of view. That's a good point, so chill out, I have nothing against you, no need to exchange insults.
Hey, if the shoe fits!
@@HITCSevens You missed a beautiful opportunity for a horseshoe pun. Keep up!
I dont remember them ever advocating for freedom of speech
I don't think that not participating in an anti-homophobia campaign is homophobia. Why isn't there a neutral ground?
Seems you didn't watch the video
easily the best football channel out
10:37 you're also far too intelligent to compare sexuality to race.
I think they're pretty comparable, they're both things that people can't change. A gay person didn't choose to be gay, a straight person didn't choose to be straight just like a white person didn't choose to be white and a black person didn't choose to be black and so on. I think there is still more racism in the world than homophobia but I don't think one is worse than the other. They're both hatred based on what a person can't control.
You don't chose either one... that's pretty comparable.
@@soundscape26 false you choose sexuality
@@soundscape26 no siree. You choose sexuality
@@nigelnyoni8265 I don't remember having chosen mine. Maybe it's different in your country and you have to fill a form or something.
Thank you again Alfie, not mincing any words here, truly a breath of fresh air 👏 fuck homophobia, racism and any form of bigotry 🖕
Mincing is a poor choice of wording
@@isaacjones5687what would you recommend instead?
@@isaacjones5687 😂
@@isaacjones5687hehehe, he said mincing.
Gay.
I strive to treat people with respect, even those I strongly disagree with. However, I feel no obligation to respect the unjustified beliefs of others. You are free to believe stupid things, and I am free to analyze and criticize your stupid beliefs.
Literally every negative comment is proof that they have not watched the video.
Why should you be used as a billboard for anything, it's football! And no one should be bullied to do something they don't want.
I'm the French voice among your subscribers.
I don't like these campaigns : rainbow numbers, putting "respect" in kits during UEFA games, the knee during black lives matter, etc. While the sentiment is good, it's marketing. Nothing more, nothing less.
If they actually cared about LGBT+ people and other issues, they would have done much better. The last example being Vinicius last night. As long as it doesn't hurt the business, it will go on. It has always been the case and sadly, I don't think it will change.
As a Muslim, I can't support the cause as it is opposed to my believes. But it doesn't mean I accept that LGBT+ people deserve to be harassed, insulted and beaten up. Same with people who aren't Muslims or opposed to my political believes. And you're right : they mustn't promote betting companies and like Kanouté in the past, they must hide it. Shahid Afridi, a cricket player, hides a betting sponsor on his kit. So, if they wanted to, they would have hidden it with tape. I don't buy kits if they have a betting sponsor, or alcohol, cigarretes, junk food.
Careful : Betclic isn't the sponsor of Toulouse. During Cup games in France, we don't have the same sponsor. It's either Betclic or Crédit Agricole, a French bank. At least, for this season. Toulouse's actual sponsor is LP Promotion, real estate company.
Vinicious deserved all the hate in the world... for playing for a sheit club and being far too good at football, not for being black
A more light-hearted idea: talk about the rise of Farul Constanta, who just won the Romanian league title for the first time ever. It’s a gorgeous coastal city right on the Black Sea
Not to mention that they were essentially the boyhood club of Gheorghe Hagi, the greatest Romanian footballer ever
If they don’t want to wear the rainbow flag (which is a political flag), then they shouldn’t have to
Why are they wearing Bet365 shirts then? Gambling is worse than being Gay in their religion yoy clown
To be fair, engaging in homosexual acts is a much bigger sin in Islam than gambling or drinking alcohol.
To say that he should be ok with wearing a pride symbol because he promotes gambling is like saying you should be ok with commiting murder because you like to sniff cocaine at the weekend.
That’s why the Qran is nothing but a wastage of paper and ink
6:18 outstanding analysis Alfie, thank you. I spit water on my keyboard.
Homophobophobia is a bigger thing in Western countries than homophobia.
Also, it's one of MANY consequences of their extra-open and blind multiculturalism and borders-open-for-almost-every-african-or-arab policies.
Are the players who did not take a knee racist?
Yes.
Not the same argument mate. Different issue with Different solutions
@@FerreusNRG tell us you are
an indoctrinated clown without using the words....
@@lucuslovesyou2961 Same argument. You’re either in or out. Anti BLM = racist Anti LGBT = homophobic
Proper comment: Can confirm, being trans in the UK sucks.
Long may that continue lol
@@BoereViking yeah, can't imagine being a basement dwelling internet troll. How's that abnormal lifestyle been for you?
Hang in there. You've got this! 💪
Good on them footballers who boycott. Politics in football should be kicked out. Your video is just cope. They are free to boycott what they want.
Basically this an Islamophobic rant. Fair enough, but at least admit it Alfie.
Apart from some tasteless politicking by the French football authorities, I've no idea what it has to do with homophobia in French football. Still, it's amusing to see the word 'homo' used - something I've not seen or heard since I was a child 50 years ago!
Hey hold up, for one can we stop using that at every turn? It makes you seem like the victim, I don't agree with it being on shirts either
People are fed up with football being politicised though most people know that they should treat people with respect they don't need childish lectures
That is simply not true
6:33 people are allowed to hold their own beliefs. Just like you're allowed to hold yours. As long as they don't harm others. Respect his own personal beliefs.
Tolerance is not forcing others to believe what you believe, but allowing them to hold their own views
Nope, tolerance doesn’t tolerate intolerance
If your believe goes against humans, it won’t be tolerated
@@andreasgamperl9583
So you don't like Islam?
@@andreasgamperl9583 The ability or practice of tolerating; an acceptance of or patience with the beliefs, opinions or practices of others. From Latin "tolerō" meaning" endure. To put up with.
Also, how do you not see the irony in saying "tolerance doesn't tolerate ..."? 😂🤣😂 If it doesn't tolerate, it is, by definition, NOT tolerance
Do you tolerate nazis and neonazis?
Aboukhal asks to be treated with respect while not showing respect to LGBTQ people. It’s up there with “I’m not a racist, but”. Irony impairment at it’s finest.
He's muslim
@@isaabd1334 what’s that got to do with the price of fish?
@@isaabd1334 And? As Alfie pointed out other religions have their fare share of homophobes and bigots.
It’s not homophobic to decline to take part in an anti homophobic campaign. Your reasoning as well as mockery on Twitter was in bad taste. The betting comparison isn’t even relevant because the world has that in abundance and one can’t avoid it but people can avoid the LGBT matter altogether. If anything, you’re being unfair to them.
Did you forget this has taken place in France, one of the gayest countries in the world? These players decided to move to an extremely progressive lgbt rights country for money and are up in arms when asked to support lgbt discrimination
A lot of you really don't seem to understand how forcing someone to wear a flag or symbol is wrong because it's your beliefs that are being propagated
And before you say that nobody was forced to do it, this is what happens to players who don't want to, suddenly there's a ''crisis'' and these players are homophobes.
I don't see why a lot of the LGBT people don't want to just live their lives, but have to constantly be validated on every single thing imaginable
Because they can’t even “just live their lives”?
Have you lived in a cave for your entire life? Have you even read the news about politicians seeking to ban LGBT+ people to appear in the public?
your own argument can be used against you.
i mean why do muslim people (for example) not just live their lives? why do they have to constantly be validated on every single thing regarding homosexuality.
not wearing a rainbow flag because of religion but proudly wearing a betting sponsor is homophobic... like objectively. you cannot pick and choose when you're religious just to suit your own agenda.
@@chadchadderton Is someone being forced to cater to muslims constantly? Is someone being forced to wear armbands and flags of muslim countries?
Do you not see how this is wrong? Are you detached from reality or any sense of humanity to the level that you don't see how it's absolutely wrong to force someone to adhere to your ideology?
@@chadchadderton on every comment you have the dumbest replies....
@@chadchaddertonand forcing a Muslim to practice his religion according to you Islamophobic.
Honestly, W French football fans. Not standing up for all this woke bs.
You didn't watch the video.
Okay first of all: you are trying to attack players for not participating even tho in their faith is against it. You are talking about them disrespecting the LGBT community, whilst you are literally disrespecting their culture.
Second of all: so what if they "disrespect" the LGBT community. That's their own opinion and belief which you should respect, which you don't.
The fact u said they can disrespect the lgbt but u have to respect them disrespecting them cause it’s their belief is so funny. It’s my belief and opinion that anyone who disrespects someone who is gay doesn’t deserve any respect it’s my opinion and belief respect it.
You are asking us to respect people who disrespect others, in this case based solely on their sexual orientation? That's quite a dangerous slippery slope.
@@soundscape26 the lgtbq people also disrespect others, in many cases solely on their religious beliefs.
I see no difference.
@@bane5921 No wonder considering the positions of said religions regarding their sexuality. It's merely reactive.
@@soundscape26 so because you disagree with the words in a book, your next decision is violence and disrespect?
French football ?? Literally every player that refused to wear the LGBT shirt is not French lmao
good proper english video... good thing everything is fine in england, and there is no a) racism, b) sexism, c) homophobia, or d) hooligans in football anymore :)))))))) oh wait
Ye, the guy is a bit hypocritical for not mentioning one barbaric middle eastern ideology 😂
Comments about to be a mess on this one! But needs to be done, big up Alfie.
It's not just Ligue 1. Homophobia in football is so rampant it's disgraceful. Just look and any RUclips comments section on a football video and you'll see it's rank with homophobes, misogynists, and all types of other despicable characters.
@@AEK1054 There are essentially no outwardly homosexual football players. Why? Because of the fear of abuse from rampant homophobia.
11:40 I may be wrong to keep thinking your intelligent, but I really would be thought you'd know better than to say "oh you believe in this do you? Well here's this other unrelated thing that you're doing wrong.... If you are a liar, why do you claim to believe that murder is wrong?"
Silly silly Alfie.
As a queer person, let me make a suggestion for compromise: Any player who does not wish to participate in these campaigns can wear their normal kit, but must also wear a swastika armband so people understand why. I respect their right to have their opinion; but not their right to claim it's not intolerant fascist nonsense, because it definitely is.
Hahahahahahaha wow you bunch are really the most narcissistic demographic in the world...
Keep up the good work on the tough topics! The best football page on RUclips easily. 💪🏽
Great Vid! Its just a thing on a shirt, absolutely killed me.
Thanks for making this video Alfie. It is infuriating seeing the number of bigots in the online football space.
what was hilarious to me is during the world cup game of USA vs England, the American players not kneeling down for the black lives matter thingy, while the English players did 😂😂 GEORGE FLOYD WAS AMERICAN!!! If they stopped, its time to stop it in England, because its now an empty gesture. These things last a week or max a month or so, before they become counter productive. When will it stop? Will they still be kneeling in 2-3 years? 😂 ridiculous...
@@csanadhorvath George Floyd was a shitty criminal who was resisting arrest and his deaths sparked a massive crime wave and the legit ponzi scheme known as BLM. There was little tragic about what happened to Floyd and the robberies and mass destruction just an excuse which set off a crime wave that still has not subsided to pre BLM levels in many places.
There is nothing more anachronistic than being forced to support something. It is the opposite of progress.
I respect the Muslim players to be true to themselves, their culture and religion
L video. People dont have to support, defend or be forced to stand for something they dont want to.
Yeah but they shouldn’t abuse and harass them every day
@@shibainudogweather are those footballers who refused to wear the rainbow shirt harassed or abused anyone gay?
@@shibainudogweather the question is why should anyone be forced to do something they don’t want or are not comfortable with. How is that freedom, many people just want to live and carry on with their lives. Those who discriminate should be punished. But right now we are ostracising a minority group who only refused to wear a rainbow jersey. They didn’t break any rules or laws. They are free to do what they want as long as its in line with the laws of the state
Here I am, a confused American. I was absolutely certain that all French people were gay. This came as an absolute shock. What’s next, Italians are straight. I’m so lost and confused.
As a gay man I have no problem with people who don’t except homosexuality for religious reasons or just personal reasons. Everyone has the right to their own opinion and views and I see no point in trying to change their minds as long as they don’t go out attacking gay/trans people I don’t care
I'm 100% with your view... Live and let live. That being said, the LGBT+++ political/social engineering groups, spend their time and money dividing and dealing out guilt. Sadly, many tolerant people buy the BS.
i agree mate if anyone has a problem with us then stay away why are they even coming to talk
Ok hear me out
As a Muslim I understand them
You can't support something that is haram
LGBTQ people have all of our respect and that's what we expect back
It's just like saying if you're not islamophoic go with Islamic people and help spreading Islam or wear shirts with Allah written on it
That's not what you should expect from someone who's religious beliefs are different
Also on side note sometimes Muslim being exclusive on what they think haram like he mentioned
Gambling and Alcohol are just as haram they're also wrong
Archaic beliefs should not be tolerated in western society, especially in a country like France that has no religion and some of the strictest laws regarding religious garments. Addtionally, gambling and alcohol sponsors are absolutely everywhere in football, and im sure there are countless examples of Muslim players who play for teams/wear shirts that contain at least one of these or are sponsored by one. If as a Muslim you dont believe being gay is fine, thats okay, so long as you're willing to accept that you have to promote equality and diversity, including the various rainbow movements adopted within football. This is the west after all, and the rampant homophobia/prejudice within football is disgusting and disgraceful. By not participating, these players are actively part of the problem and, in my opinion, should not be allowed to play within these countries if they won't accept a simple act to help spread awareness. Nobody is saying be gay or be friends with gay people, theyre just trying to help stop prejudice, and bring eqaulity.
@@matthewchallis7786 as a Muslim
Or a human being I have no problem in being a friend with gay
And also I'm just saying either you should say no to both or you have to accept both there's no way in between
Ok but they’re Advertising sports betting and gambling every day and that’s haram. Where the line or are they just pieces of shit?
Videos like this are why Alfie is the best football content creator
His digs at Gueye had me dying 😂🤣
😂😂
this is nothing but a coming out video, he'll be telling us he's a woman next week
This is the second one he went on a rant about the psg player when it just happened he couldn't just be and let be he wants the player to support a sexual choice no he doesn't have to its his choice
So when your religious views don’t align with wearing rainbow flags on your jersey you’re just supposed to abandon what you grew up with to appease the league that you play it? How does lgbt rights supercede the right to free speech? Pretty sure when you sign up to play football it doesn’t coincide with you having to support something that is directly against what you believe in? How is that such a far fetched concept for people to understand?
I find it comical that you interpret their opinion as pro homophobic. It is against their religious belief and they distance themselves from the movement. Their stance dose not promote any hate speech or suggest any discrimination towards any individual.
Got so much respect for how you use your platform. Its incredibly refreshing to hear a football RUclips actually address social and economic issues regularly instead of pretending they don't exist within the game. Been watching every video for years and only just clocked im not subbed, quickly changed that.
Well the guy just glossed over the fact that people were prevented from working their just because they refused to participate in a political campaign