"If they ever tell my story let them say I walked with giants, men rise and fall like the Winter wheat but these names will never die... Let them say I lived in the time of Hector, tamer of horses...let them say I lived in the time of Achilles..." Odysseus
"You're still my enemy in the morning." "You're still my enemy tonight. But even enemies can show respect." Fun Fact: Theatrical movie debut of Siri Svegler. Authentic Battle Damage Fact: Brad Pitt tore his left Achilles tendon during production. Ironic. Action Star Fact: Brad Pitt and Eric Bana did not use stunt doubles for their epic duel. They made a gentlemen's agreement to pay for every accidental hit; $50 for each light blow and $100 for each hard blow. Pitt ended up paying Bana $750, and Bana didn't owe Pitt anything. Historical Fact: Historians are sharply divided about whether or not the Trojan War actually occurred, and if it did, which archaeological site is actually Troy. Discoveries at the beginning of the 21st century provide new evidence of several armed battles in the right area at the right time, but definitive proof is hard to find, largely due to the historical practice of building one city on the ruins of another. Homer's Illiad (and similar epics depicting the Trojan War) were written hundreds of years after the Trojan War supposedly occurred, and are of little use in determining factual historical events because they include many mythological elements. One theory is that the Troy of Homer's lifetime was destroyed by an earthquake, and that the Illiad is a symbolic reinterpretation of that, since a horse is the symbol of the Greek god of earthquakes. The producers decided to eliminate all mythological elements from the story, giving the film an air of historical authenticity not present in the original works.
Briseis trying to stop Achilles from hitting his captain is the same as trying to tell a woman to calm down, never get in the way of a person's rage, She was married to Mynes, a son of the King of Lyrnessus, until the Achaeans sacked her city and was given to Achilles shortly before the events of the poem. Being forced to give Briseis to Agamemnon, Achilles refused to reenter the battle, She remained with Achilles until his death, which plunged her into great grief. She soon took it upon herself to prepare Achilles for the afterlife.[citation needed] According to Robert Bell, following his death, Briseis "was given to one of Achilles's comrades-at-arms just as his armor had been", after the fall of Troy.[13]
In the original story, Paris and Helen do not live happily ever after. Philoctetes mortally wounds Paris. Helen makes her way to Mount Ida where she begs Paris's first wife, the nymph Oenone, to heal him. Still bitter that Paris had spurned her for his birthright in the city and then forgotten her for Helen, Oenone refuses. Helen returns alone to Troy, where Paris dies later the same day. In another version, Paris himself, in great pain, visits Oenone to plead for healing but is refused and dies on the mountainside. When Oenone hears of his funeral, she runs to his funeral pyre and throws herself in its fire. After Paris's death, his brother Deiphobus married Helen and was then killed by Menelaus in the sack of Troy. Helen returns to Sparta with Menelaus.
Well, in the original story, Helen did NOT go with Paris willingly. She wanted to remain loyal to her husband, but Paris didn’t accept that because he had been promised Helen by the goddess Aphrodite, so he kidnapped her.
@@-chenlanying5818 They did, actually. She specifically CHOSE Menelaus as her husband in the original myth. It seemed at first like there was going to be a huge debate/fight over who would be her husband, but Odysseus brokered a peace. He had all the kings of Greece agree that Helen should choose her husband, but also that whoever Helen chose, the rest of the kings of Greece would swear an oath to protect their marriage at all costs. If someone tried to destroy that marriage, ie by abducting Helen, ALL the kings of Greece would come to the aid of her husband and help rescue her.
Helen is the “…face that launched a thousand ships and burnt the topless towers of Illium” And “fleet footed Achilles” is the greatest warrior that ever lived.
Achilles mother dipped him into the river and held him by the heel of 1 foot Incidentally, Agamemnon did not die like that . there is a Greek Play by Aeschylus, The Agamemnon where his wife Clytemnestra hatchets him in his bath when he comes home along with her boyfriend, as revenge for Agamemnon Sacrificing their daughter, iIphigenia To the west wind for good winds for the Greek ships to sail
In Homer's version of the story in the Odyssey, Aegisthus ambushes and kills Agamemnon in a feasting hall under the pretense of holding a feast in honor of Agamemnon's return home from Troy. Clytemnestra also kills Cassandra. Her motivations are her wrath at the sacrifice of Iphigenia (as in the Oresteia and Iphigenia at Aulis) and her jealousy of Cassandra and other war prizes taken by Agamemnon (as in the Odyssey and works by Ovid).
For realism Achilles dies from chest wombs but because he pulls the upper arrows out, he's found with only the heel arrow which leads to the myth. Clever writing! Much of the dialogue is straight from just one part of original story called The Iliad by Homer.
They did as well as they could in three hours, but it's still too small of a canvas to capture the Iliad. The ending was pure Hollywood. The Trojan War ended in tragedy for all involved. Andromache watched as her and Hector's son was thrown from the broken walls of Troy. Paris didn't survive. Ajax didn't die during the war. He committed suicide after the war when the armor of Achilles, which had been crafted by the black smith of the gods Hephaestus, was awarded to Odysseus. Helen returned to Sparta with Menelaus. Agamemnon returned to Mycenae where he was killed by his wife and her lover, launching the myth of Orestes who winds up avenging his father's murder by killing his mother and her lover. One can surely say the gods of the Greeks were not moved by human suffering.
At the end of the war Odysseus and his group sailed home but it took them ten years to get there as they ran into many adventures along the way. That story is recorded in Homer’s Odyssey. The George Clooney movie Oh Brother Where Art Thou is based on this story.
I am not sure if anyone commented on this somewhere deep in the comments. But Achilles represented "Raw Passion", and Hector represented "Reason". The Greeks love their Metaphor's. You are a wonderful reactor and bring a very pleasant sophistication and class with your personality and soul. 🙂
Troy is on the Aegean seaboard, Western Turkey area. There is wood inland; the city is made of wood and stone. Also, the Greeks would dismantle ships for resources. If they lost 10,000 men, this would free up about 200 ships
How did Achilles get the Myrmidons? they were originally ants Because of their antly origins, they wore brown armour. After a time, Aeacus exiled his two sons, Peleus and Telamon, for murdering their half-brother, Phocus. Peleus went to Phthia and a group of Myrmidons followed him to Thessaly. Peleus's son, Achilles, brought them to Troy to fight in the Trojan War.
the Trojan Horse was never mentioned in The Illiad, Aenus takes the sword of Troy to Carthage has a mad love affair with Queen Dido then makes his way to what will become Rome, Paris died in the war at the end and Ajax made it home
The Epic Cycle has the Iliad and the Odyssey. But it is in fragments. The Trojan Horse is after the Iliad, which ends with the ransom of Hector's body.
The story of the Trojan horse is not in the Iliad it’s in subsequent poems. Ulysses had the idea after 10 years prime’s daughter Cassandra could foretell the future, but was cursed to have no one believe her so they brought the wooden horse in filled with warriors.
33:45 The girl is holding her blade to the wrong part of Achilles. He has no fear of blades for his skin cannot be penetrated by any blade. Except one part of him. No, not THAT part. His heel. If she held the blade to his heel, he would have to be careful. His neck? No worries. She can't even scratch him.
Thank you. If you are ever in north-western Turkey you can visit the site of the city ancient city located in present-day Hisarlık. It is thought that the city was called Wilusa during the late bronze age and enough evidence has been found that some experts are willing to accept that the story has some basis in history. By the time of the later classical Greek civilization and the Roman dominion the site was a tourist destination for people wanting to visited the fabled city of Troy so modern visitors are just following in their ancient predecessors footsteps.
I enjoy this movie, but it is a very, very loose adaptation of the illiad. Few of the characters are even close to similar. Had it been more faithful to the story it would have been even better.
You keep mentioning the history of Troy. This entire story (Helen of Troy, the Trojan War, Achilles, The Trojan Horse, etc.) is a work of fiction from a famous poem by the Greek poet, Homer. While there was a city named Troy, it's likely that it was not the magnificent city you see in the movie or read in the poem. Scholars cannot agree on whether this war ever happened. The Romans destroyed this city in 11 days, but according to the poem, the walls never fell (before the Romans) and Troy supposedly survived this war which lasted 10 years. Given that Greek and Roman armies were similarly equipped and capable, if the Romans could tear down those walls in 11 days, the Greeks should have had similar success. This makes it seem like Homer was writing high fiction rather than history. That said, 2,000 years ago the Greeks believed this all happened. Today, there is a lot of doubt. Were the Ancient Greeks just gullible? Did they have recent information that we don't have, like actual access to men who fought in this war? Hard to say, but today this poem is usually filed under "mythology". Unkillable heroes, wrath of gods, and impenetrable walls that never existed (and fell in 11 days to the Romans) all contribute to undermine any plausible claim to reality. If the war happened, it's likely that a small Greek invasion took place, Troy called on its allies, withstood the siege with its tiny walls and helpful allies, and might or might not have lost in the end. Then Homer came along, added Captain America and Iron Man and The Hulk and turned the whole thing into a Greek version of Wakanda and ended telling a lovely poetic story we still adore today.
To be fair, the estimated time period of the Trojan War was the early 12th century BCE, right around the time of the Bronze Age collapse. There is simply a lot we don't know about that period. While the Homer's account was highly fictionalized, it was probably based on an actual event. For all we know it could be an account of the Sea Peoples sacking a Hittite city. Its things like this that make me wish I could time travel.
Not only would “You” not be remembered (only a story possibly vaguely resembling aspects of you and your deeds according to the whims of authors you probably never knew), but you wouldn’t be around to appreciate it or tell your version of it. People that fantasize about how they’ll be remembered have a mental disorder.
The story of the Trojan War is one of the most quintessential pieces of mythology ever written. The objective of this film was to try to portray this piece of mythology as historical events that could have potentially actually happened. It was actually one of TWO films in 2004 that attempted to accomplish this objective, with the other being Jerry Bruckheimer’s King Arthur, starring names like Clive Owen, Ioan Gruffod, Stellan Skarsgard, and Kiera Knightley. I love both of these films, but of the two, I feel like King Arthur accomplished this objective BETTER. So I strongly hope you’ll react to 2004’s King Arthur as well at some point, Christina!
"If they ever tell my story let them say I walked with giants, men rise and fall like the Winter wheat but these names will never die... Let them say I lived in the time of Hector, tamer of horses...let them say I lived in the time of Achilles..." Odysseus
Nobody has noticed the importance of the Achilles' heel. Until Christina my favorite movies reactor
The man who receives the sword at the end is Aeneas. In the epic poem, The Aeneid by Virgil, Aeneas's descendants found Rome.
also aeneas isn’t just some random guy, he’s trojan royalty and a demigod (the son of aphrodite).
And the British/English believed HIS descendants founded Britain /England so if you look at it that way he indirectly founded America too
y los romanos vengaron a troya
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"You're still my enemy in the morning."
"You're still my enemy tonight. But even enemies can show respect."
Fun Fact: Theatrical movie debut of Siri Svegler.
Authentic Battle Damage Fact: Brad Pitt tore his left Achilles tendon during production. Ironic.
Action Star Fact: Brad Pitt and Eric Bana did not use stunt doubles for their epic duel. They made a gentlemen's agreement to pay for every accidental hit; $50 for each light blow and $100 for each hard blow. Pitt ended up paying Bana $750, and Bana didn't owe Pitt anything.
Historical Fact: Historians are sharply divided about whether or not the Trojan War actually occurred, and if it did, which archaeological site is actually Troy. Discoveries at the beginning of the 21st century provide new evidence of several armed battles in the right area at the right time, but definitive proof is hard to find, largely due to the historical practice of building one city on the ruins of another. Homer's Illiad (and similar epics depicting the Trojan War) were written hundreds of years after the Trojan War supposedly occurred, and are of little use in determining factual historical events because they include many mythological elements. One theory is that the Troy of Homer's lifetime was destroyed by an earthquake, and that the Illiad is a symbolic reinterpretation of that, since a horse is the symbol of the Greek god of earthquakes. The producers decided to eliminate all mythological elements from the story, giving the film an air of historical authenticity not present in the original works.
Briseis
trying to stop Achilles from hitting his captain is the same as trying to tell a woman to calm down, never get in the way of a person's rage, She was married to Mynes, a son of the King of Lyrnessus, until the Achaeans sacked her city and was given to Achilles shortly before the events of the poem. Being forced to give Briseis to Agamemnon, Achilles refused to reenter the battle, She remained with Achilles until his death, which plunged her into great grief. She soon took it upon herself to prepare Achilles for the afterlife.[citation needed] According to Robert Bell, following his death, Briseis "was given to one of Achilles's comrades-at-arms just as his armor had been", after the fall of Troy.[13]
Excellent movie Christina! Along with Braveheart and Gladiator, this was one of the best films to come out of the "swords and sandals" era.
I like to watch this, and then The Odyssey (1997 miniseries). Since it is a 2 parter it's like watching a Troy Trilogy.
I read the "Illiad" in 7th grade. It prepared me for Dostoyevski and Tolkien, when it came to cast of characters and all those names.
In the original story, Paris and Helen do not live happily ever after.
Philoctetes mortally wounds Paris. Helen makes her way to Mount Ida where she begs Paris's first wife, the nymph Oenone, to heal him. Still bitter that Paris had spurned her for his birthright in the city and then forgotten her for Helen, Oenone refuses. Helen returns alone to Troy, where Paris dies later the same day. In another version, Paris himself, in great pain, visits Oenone to plead for healing but is refused and dies on the mountainside. When Oenone hears of his funeral, she runs to his funeral pyre and throws herself in its fire.
After Paris's death, his brother Deiphobus married Helen and was then killed by Menelaus in the sack of Troy.
Helen returns to Sparta with Menelaus.
Well, in the original story, Helen did NOT go with Paris willingly. She wanted to remain loyal to her husband, but Paris didn’t accept that because he had been promised Helen by the goddess Aphrodite, so he kidnapped her.
@@kevinnorwood8782 Did Menelaus loved Helen ? Were they happy ?
@@-chenlanying5818 They did, actually. She specifically CHOSE Menelaus as her husband in the original myth. It seemed at first like there was going to be a huge debate/fight over who would be her husband, but Odysseus brokered a peace. He had all the kings of Greece agree that Helen should choose her husband, but also that whoever Helen chose, the rest of the kings of Greece would swear an oath to protect their marriage at all costs. If someone tried to destroy that marriage, ie by abducting Helen, ALL the kings of Greece would come to the aid of her husband and help rescue her.
The actress who played Helen was in National Treasure.
Helen is the “…face that launched a thousand ships and burnt the topless towers of Illium”
And “fleet footed Achilles” is the greatest warrior that ever lived.
Achilles mother dipped him into the river and held him by the heel of 1 foot
Incidentally, Agamemnon did not die like that . there is a Greek Play by Aeschylus, The Agamemnon where his wife Clytemnestra hatchets him in his bath when he comes home along with her boyfriend, as revenge for Agamemnon Sacrificing their daughter, iIphigenia To the west wind for good winds for the Greek ships to sail
In Homer's version of the story in the Odyssey, Aegisthus ambushes and kills Agamemnon in a feasting hall under the pretense of holding a feast in honor of Agamemnon's return home from Troy. Clytemnestra also kills Cassandra. Her motivations are her wrath at the sacrifice of Iphigenia (as in the Oresteia and Iphigenia at Aulis) and her jealousy of Cassandra and other war prizes taken by Agamemnon (as in the Odyssey and works by Ovid).
For realism Achilles dies from chest wombs but because he pulls the upper arrows out, he's found with only the heel arrow which leads to the myth. Clever writing! Much of the dialogue is straight from just one part of original story called The Iliad by Homer.
Gracias por reaccionar a mi película favorita
The bad thing about the extended version is that they change the soundtrack of the battle between Achilles and Hector
They did as well as they could in three hours, but it's still too small of a canvas to capture the Iliad. The ending was pure Hollywood. The Trojan War ended in tragedy for all involved. Andromache watched as her and Hector's son was thrown from the broken walls of Troy. Paris didn't survive. Ajax didn't die during the war. He committed suicide after the war when the armor of Achilles, which had been crafted by the black smith of the gods Hephaestus, was awarded to Odysseus. Helen returned to Sparta with Menelaus. Agamemnon returned to Mycenae where he was killed by his wife and her lover, launching the myth of Orestes who winds up avenging his father's murder by killing his mother and her lover.
One can surely say the gods of the Greeks were not moved by human suffering.
41:55 "Achilles is kind of a brat."
A Brat Pitt, actually.
I'm totally straight, but holy shit, Brad Pitt is a beautiful man.
bro same like holy shit. that scene where he enters his tent after taking the beach and kneels next to briseis and just kinda looks at her 🥵
At the end of the war Odysseus and his group sailed home but it took them ten years to get there as they ran into many adventures along the way. That story is recorded in Homer’s Odyssey. The George Clooney movie Oh Brother Where Art Thou is based on this story.
I am not sure if anyone commented on this somewhere deep in the comments. But Achilles represented "Raw Passion", and Hector represented "Reason". The Greeks love their Metaphor's. You are a wonderful reactor and bring a very pleasant sophistication and class with your personality and soul. 🙂
Troy is on the Aegean seaboard, Western Turkey area. There is wood inland; the city is made of wood and stone.
Also, the Greeks would dismantle ships for resources. If they lost 10,000 men, this would free up about 200 ships
Paris and Helen should have been used as bargaining chips as soon as they got off of the boat for what they did.
How did Achilles get the Myrmidons? they were originally ants
Because of their antly origins, they wore brown armour. After a time, Aeacus exiled his two sons, Peleus and Telamon, for murdering their half-brother, Phocus. Peleus went to Phthia and a group of Myrmidons followed him to Thessaly. Peleus's son, Achilles, brought them to Troy to fight in the Trojan War.
"Superman´s cousin" I almost fall from my seat, you are so lovable. Smart, well studied, and funny, please marry me. 🌹
NOT his cousin...hint hint
'They didn't recognize the color blue'. Women will believe anything.
the Horse is breifly mentioned in the Oddysey not the Illiad
the Trojan Horse was never mentioned in The Illiad, Aenus takes the sword of Troy to Carthage has a mad love affair with Queen Dido then makes his way to what will become Rome, Paris died in the war at the end and Ajax made it home
No, we always had a name for the color blue, Κυανό. This myth that we never recognized the color blue is a BS that spreads with no facts behind it
The Epic Cycle has the Iliad and the Odyssey. But it is in fragments. The Trojan Horse is after the Iliad, which ends with the ransom of Hector's body.
Achilles is AWESOME 💪🏾
The story of the Trojan horse is not in the Iliad it’s in subsequent poems. Ulysses had the idea after 10 years prime’s daughter Cassandra could foretell the future, but was cursed to have no one believe her so they brought the wooden horse in filled with warriors.
Odyseus. Ulysses is a Latin name.
Brad Pitt was ill during the shooting of this movie. He was running a high fever. He just had to press on through it.
Lol we still pour out a splash for our dead lover ones
This was War. Dragging his body in front of everyone destroyed their fighting spirit. Few rules in War.
If you are reacting to television shows, “Outlander” will blow your channel up. It’s fantastic with a huge fan base.
How are you able to download the movie for the reaction? We are looking into doing Troy directors cut reaction as well.
Nice call on the director!
the war lasted 10 yrs and the way home another 10
it wasn't Paris' fault, Zues arrainged it all
The blue thing is a misconception
THE IRONY OF ACHILLIES DEATH IS THAT HE (THE STRONGEST SOLDIER) WAS KILLED BY THE WEAKEST - PARIS. AN ARROW IN HIS ACHILLIES HEEL.
almost
u lil cutie!
The Bronze Age. Quality metal bands ;-) A creative retelling, but true to the spirit of the original. Romeo & Juliet is a cheap imitation.
Beware Greeks bearing gifts.
the dialog in this cut is so much worse
the nudity was left out of the theatrical release
My dear have you ever reacted to Peter Jackson's The Lord Of The Rings?
Howard Shore has done the score.
They did t call it blue . There was no word
33:45 The girl is holding her blade to the wrong part of Achilles.
He has no fear of blades for his skin cannot be penetrated by any blade.
Except one part of him.
No, not THAT part.
His heel.
If she held the blade to his heel, he would have to be careful.
His neck?
No worries. She can't even scratch him.
Thank you.
If you are ever in north-western Turkey you can visit the site of the city ancient city located in present-day Hisarlık. It is thought that the city was called Wilusa during the late bronze age and enough evidence has been found that some experts are willing to accept that the story has some basis in history. By the time of the later classical Greek civilization and the Roman dominion the site was a tourist destination for people wanting to visited the fabled city of Troy so modern visitors are just following in their ancient predecessors footsteps.
I enjoy this movie, but it is a very, very loose adaptation of the illiad. Few of the characters are even close to similar. Had it been more faithful to the story it would have been even better.
finde den film besser als deine reaction .
You keep mentioning the history of Troy.
This entire story (Helen of Troy, the Trojan War, Achilles, The Trojan Horse, etc.) is a work of fiction from a famous poem by the Greek poet, Homer.
While there was a city named Troy, it's likely that it was not the magnificent city you see in the movie or read in the poem.
Scholars cannot agree on whether this war ever happened.
The Romans destroyed this city in 11 days, but according to the poem, the walls never fell (before the Romans) and Troy supposedly survived this war which lasted 10 years.
Given that Greek and Roman armies were similarly equipped and capable, if the Romans could tear down those walls in 11 days, the Greeks should have had similar success.
This makes it seem like Homer was writing high fiction rather than history.
That said, 2,000 years ago the Greeks believed this all happened.
Today, there is a lot of doubt.
Were the Ancient Greeks just gullible?
Did they have recent information that we don't have, like actual access to men who fought in this war?
Hard to say, but today this poem is usually filed under "mythology".
Unkillable heroes, wrath of gods, and impenetrable walls that never existed (and fell in 11 days to the Romans) all contribute to undermine any plausible claim to reality.
If the war happened, it's likely that a small Greek invasion took place, Troy called on its allies, withstood the siege with its tiny walls and helpful allies, and might or might not have lost in the end.
Then Homer came along, added Captain America and Iron Man and The Hulk and turned the whole thing into a Greek version of Wakanda and ended telling a lovely poetic story we still adore today.
To be fair, the estimated time period of the Trojan War was the early 12th century BCE, right around the time of the Bronze Age collapse. There is simply a lot we don't know about that period. While the Homer's account was highly fictionalized, it was probably based on an actual event. For all we know it could be an account of the Sea Peoples sacking a Hittite city. Its things like this that make me wish I could time travel.
this is the worst youtube comment i have ever read
@@MrArgman Is that a self-referential comment?
U r soooo cute mam
I would do as Achilles did I would go and be remembered for thousands of years
Not only would “You” not be remembered (only a story possibly vaguely resembling aspects of you and your deeds according to the whims of authors you probably never knew), but you wouldn’t be around to appreciate it or tell your version of it.
People that fantasize about how they’ll be remembered have a mental disorder.
@@jimj9040overweight nerd
@@MrArgman Sorry to hear that, but it Is treatable.
Edit: Not with treats
What’s wrong with testosterone??
The story of the Trojan War is one of the most quintessential pieces of mythology ever written. The objective of this film was to try to portray this piece of mythology as historical events that could have potentially actually happened. It was actually one of TWO films in 2004 that attempted to accomplish this objective, with the other being Jerry Bruckheimer’s King Arthur, starring names like Clive Owen, Ioan Gruffod, Stellan Skarsgard, and Kiera Knightley. I love both of these films, but of the two, I feel like King Arthur accomplished this objective BETTER. So I strongly hope you’ll react to 2004’s King Arthur as well at some point, Christina!
You made a mistake watching the Director's Cut. It's the inferior version. The original cut is better.
It really is not
@@jacobwalsh1888 Yes, the original cut is better. Better score too.
THERE IS NO WAY THE TROJANS WOULD LET ACHILLIES LEAVE WITH HECTORS BODY. THEY WOULD HAVE FILLED HIM WITH ARROWS. GOOD FILM BUT THAT SCENE WAS STUPID.
Movies are great..when they ant WOKE....ya Goofy m8te from Australia