Nick...I loved the outro...your mini lesson was great. I'm a college Instructor and really dig seeing people passionate about what they love and then see them share/teach it. Your mini lesson helped refresh my own memory. So glad you shared. You actually make me want to give the Iliad & the Odessey another chance.😄💚
his glory is why we still remember his name 4000 years later so it wasnt a false idea , and before any trolls get on here telling you troy wasnt real i suggest ya look it up , they found the city of troy in the early 2000s !
Troy, with its 4,000 years of history, is one of the most famous archaeological sites in the world. The first excavations at the site were undertaken by the famous archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann in 1870. In scientific terms, its extensive remains are the most significant demonstration of the first contact between the civilizations of Anatolia and the Mediterranean world. Moreover, the siege of Troy by Spartan and Achaean warriors from Greece in the 13th or 12th century B.C., immortalized by Homer in the Iliad, has inspired great creative artists throughout the world ever since.
Even crazier is they found that the city was sacked and burned around when this war was supposed to take place in the multiple foundations as the city grew
As an acting role, I remember her best from Wing Commander. As a woman stripping down to very little, I definitely remember her best from Deep Blue Sea.
The exact horse used in this movie still stands on Canakkale/Turkey, where the Troy was located back in antiquity. And the funny part is, Greeks and Turks are still their arch enemies today but they also love and respect each other. It is a weird relationship. Also some funny informations: When Mehmet II conquered Constantinople 1453, he said that he revenged Hector. In WW1, 1915, the Brltlsh send an undefeated armada, the most powerful navy ever seen at this date that led by battleship HMS Agamemnon to capture Gallipoli, the exact place where Troy used to stand, but they defeated and HMS Agamemnon docked to Smyrna (Izmir/Turkey today) until Turks won the independence war against Greeks (1922) and Kemal Ataturk threaten the Brltlsh by dictating he’d sink HMS Agamemnon if she won’t leave Turkish waters, as a result HMS Agamemnon fled back to Britain and Ataturk also said he avenged Hector. Ataturk tried to find how Hector was looked like since he also used the tactic Hector used to defeat Greeks to put a statue for his honor, unfortunately couldn’t succeed to find out how he was looked like.
That scene between Peter O'toole and Brad Pitt in the tent was so powerful. 1 of my favorite scenes. I love Greek mythology so the ending of this video with all the explanation was the highlight for me
I think I learned more about Greek mythology from Xena and this movie more than my actual mythology class in high school!😂 I remember reading the Iliad and the Odessey etc but the names were so hard for me to retain and grasp. Of course it was high school and was more into my social skills than my intellect at the time.😆 And to think Troy was a city of mythological legend...until it was actually discovered!!! I wonder about Atlantis!🤔 Nice reaction...thank you!!!
"If they ever tell my story let them say I walked with giants, men rise and fall like the Winter wheat but these names will never die... Let them say I lived in the time of Hector, tamer of horses...let them say I lived in the time of Achilles..." Odysseus
Wow, unluckily there aren't these many reactions to this movie but damn this one was the best so far - had to subscribe after not even 10 mins, after this one I need to check out your channel! As many others already said, your knowledge of the mythology behind the legends made the whole reaction far better! Keep up the good work 🙂
Glad to find a reaction channel that actually knows the background story and conflicts, i.e. The Iliad. Thank you! P.S. enjoyed you short history of mythology, ❤. Succinct and informative.
I have to give respect to you my friend... You know a lot of things about ancient Greece and our Mythology. Greetings from Greece... A little country with huge history...
Brad was so incredible as Achilles. Also would recommend Immortals if you haven't seen it. It's starring a young Henry Cavill. It was the 1st film I saw him in. He plays Theseus in the movie
@flix2us that formation Achilles used was known. The Romans: Testudo formation, a Roman military tactic which involved a formation of soldiers using their shields to form a tortoise-shell-like protective cover against enemy weapons
Diane Kruger was just terrific in her performance in FX's 2013 series 'The Bridge'. I binge-watched both seasons because she was so damn good. Oh - the series is absolutely excellent, too.
Thanks for reacting to this classic! This came out around the time I left for college and I owned the DVD (I’m kinda aging myself lol) and watched it all the time. Still one of my favorite historical movies of today. ❤
That duel is a really powerful scene, and one of the best ever filmed. I justwish Eric Bana would have used his shield... that's the one obvious weakness that shows it's not stuntmen doing it.
I loved the explanations throughout this video and at the end. It's always great to see people familiar with the mythology that this movie is based on.
I think this is great movie, but to this day i can't hear Odysseus' name without thinking of the children's show "Wishbone", and the little dog Wishbone plays him in that. The most sarcastic line of the show; "I AM POSIDON, KING OF THE SEA!" "I am Odysseus. Floating on this raft."
Oh, and let me ruin that lighthearted animal tale with something nobody wants to hear. In the scene where they lay the trap and the scout sees the ships, they did the courtesy of shooting the rider, and not the horse. That's not how it plays out in reality because you can't have a riderless horse return.
35:00 anybody who was not greek was presented as a barbarian. 'Barbarian' derives from the greek word 'barbaros', that means foreigner. All civilisations throughout history have considered the foreigners as savages. For the anecdote, Aeneas who leads the trojans out of the city is said to be the ancestor of Romulus, the founder of Rome.
Oh, for once after watching the reaction for Troy i didn't have to leave a comment about a true death of Agamemnon :D I had a book about Greek and Roman mythos during my childhood and read it back and forth dozens of time. My favorites were Troy epos and then the beginning of Rome.
Speaking of historical period epic films, another one directed by Ridley Scott that I think is often underrated and also stars Orlando Bloom is the 2005 'Kingdom of Heaven'. Orlando Bloom, Liam Neeson, an unrecognizable Ed Norton, Eva Green, Jeremy Irons and Brendan Gleeson and they are all great.
And let's not forget Rose Byrne...she wasn't as well known when this first in theatres...she does great drama and horror yet I love her even more in comedies like Neighbors!
He brought him to fight but not until it was a situation where achilles could control it. The invasion wasnt thst. But later he would have set patroclus loose when he was able to make sure he wouldnt get hurt.
I love your content so I checked the comments. Ooopsies! That's a shitdisco of opinion, pseudoscience, archaeology and total lack there of. THIS WAS A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE. Enjoy it as it is!
I must say I have long adored this movie and I enjoyed watching your in depth reaction!😊 One of my favourite movies, King Arthur, also came out that year, riding on the same Gladiator-wave as Troy did. I'd love to see your take on it!🤷♀️
@@rachaelhogan7850 I wrote,"One of the best". Random tidbit that may lend you an answer: I own an ancient Faustina the younger roman coin, she was married to Marcus Aurelius and mother of Commodus. So yes...I've seen Gladiator ☺️which also has one of the best fights in modern cinema.
Im really impressed by your knowledge of both the Roman Empire and the Greek Mythology. I also have an interest in both since childhood, but with just a fraction of your knowledge. So the outro was very enjoyable to listen to. All though i knew about most of it, it had slipped away but came back when you talked about it. Keep up the good work.
Love this movie. Wish the gods were in because it was a god who “bewitched” Helen to love Paris so when Paris lost the vail slowly started to fall. ultimately leading Helen to not saying anything about the Trojan horse
Great movie, and I really enjoy your reactions. Since you’re well versed on the subject, let me ask you something: do you know of any kind of comics or graphic novels that cover Greek mythology?
Other movies based on Greek mythology I recommend watching are the Clash of the Titans remake and its sequel Wrath of the Titans. Historical drama series I recommend watching are Rome and Spartacus
I enjoyed the extended cut, which has more of Odysseus and Ajax. Having said that, I prefer the 2003 miniseries HELEN OF TROY. Obviously not the budget of the theatrical version, but well done.
Damn, you know your stuff. You make Europeans look bad 😅. All this stuff was taught in school when i was a kid so we sort of know these stories of The Iliad and The Odyssey. But you went full on Discovery Channel on us. Loved it. Let me repay you with this.. Hectors wife was played by the English actress Safron Burrows, she's in a lot but stands out in Deep Blue Sea. And Helen of Troy is played by Diane Kruger. Best known from Inglorious Basterds. Regards from dark Denmark 😊
A masterpiece when it comes to the peplum genre! What Hollywood is too prudish to tell you is that Patrocles is not Achilles'cousin, but his lover. No wonder he was angry! Horses were created by Poseidon out of the ocean's foamy waves, that's why the Troyan horse is seen as an offer to Poseidon. This being said, this is a very entertaining movie. I really enjoyed your reactions as well as your knowledge of ancient history.
Actually, in The Iliad they were just cousins! It was later authors that played up a romantic relationship, and it's become so ingrained in popular culture.
@@TiisiphoneNot exactly an "urban legend", but as said before, another "canon" that was popularized a few hundred years after the Illiad was written. Aeschylus and Plato's works are the first that pop in my head, because they were convinced that Achilles and Patroclus' relationship was sexual in nature. You could even interpret those works as ancient fanfiction. I'm pretty sure even Shakespeare nods at it in Troilus and Cressida. Technically, Achilles and Patroclus are first cousins once removed, since both have ancestry that date back to Aegina. Even though they are never explicitly referred to as lovers in the Illiad, their dynamic is very intimate and easy to INTERPRET as homoerotic. A lot of works were lost in time, but there's surely a reason why the wide majority of icons of the classical period saw them as a couple. Not only that but many queer folk in modern times, including myself, relate a lot to their relationship. Their closeness, be it romantic or platonic, is definetly downplayed in the movie, which is a shame.
@@acousthicc5198I think it's Hollywood that downplays their relationship. But fortunately we have an actor who is able to talk without words. It's very obvious to me that Achilles loves Patroklos. He is so relaxed and open in the scene with him at home. They joke and play with each other. You get this vibe never again in this movie. It's hard to say if it's erotic, but they definitely love each other.
Actually, Jewish tradition traces lineage through the mother, because while a man can never be sure a child is his, a woman always knows it's hers. It's very sensible.
Nice reaction. I like this movie but I cannot compare it with the Iliad or Greek mythology... it would drive me mad. They basically made the Greeks more like villains. For example, Agamemnon is my favorite hero from the Trojan War, but here in this movie... horrible (Menelaus the same). Agamemnon was badass, one of the best warriors and hero, loyal, honest, great king and leader of whole greek army. BTW I love how many historians and "experts" today don't think it's likely that a war (and such a large one) would have started just because of a woman... they kind of overlook how big a deal Xenia was, the law of hospitality which is overseen by the supreme Zeus himself; that Helen - "the woman" - was not just woman but the queen of Sparta, most beautiful in world and beloved wife of their king; and also somehow everyone forgets that Paris along with Hellena also took away the entire Spartan treasury... absolutely sufficient reasons for the involvement of all the Greeks and their allies against Troy and its allies. Paris insulted, humiliated and betrayed Menelaus and all the Greeks as much as he could. It would be rather impossible for something like that not to start a war. :D Not to mention the previous bad relations of the Greeks with the Trojans (mainly because of the treacherous ruler Laomedon).
I really hated Achiles, such arrogant prick... but really liked the coreography of combats. It's really nice seeing greeks fighting like greeks and not like japanese. Great video as always guys!
@@Flix2Us I'm so glad you have such literature knowledge... I really enjoyed your comments on Dune, for example 😸I'm waiting fo the second part, see ya!
Trojans were also Greeks.. Hector Paris Priam brisiida are all Greek names.. They worshipped they same Greek gods. And spoke the same language.. This movie makes it seem as they weren't Greek
13:45 no way thats for real, why would someone give their opponents an advantage like that i cant get it around in my head for it to make sense, whats next open the walls gates because the wall is too thin and cant hold all of the defenders soldiers
I also read somewhere that Achilles is supposed to be in a gay relationship with his "cousin", but made him the cousin and gave him a damsel in distress instead to appease to a more general audience.
Nick...I loved the outro...your mini lesson was great. I'm a college Instructor and really dig seeing people passionate about what they love and then see them share/teach it. Your mini lesson helped refresh my own memory. So glad you shared. You actually make me want to give the Iliad & the Odessey another chance.😄💚
his glory is why we still remember his name 4000 years later so it wasnt a false idea , and before any trolls get on here telling you troy wasnt real i suggest ya look it up , they found the city of troy in the early 2000s !
I wrote something similar...a city of legend that was actually found!
Troy, with its 4,000 years of history, is one of the most famous archaeological sites in the world. The first excavations at the site were undertaken by the famous archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann in 1870. In scientific terms, its extensive remains are the most significant demonstration of the first contact between the civilizations of Anatolia and the Mediterranean world. Moreover, the siege of Troy by Spartan and Achaean warriors from Greece in the 13th or 12th century B.C., immortalized by Homer in the Iliad, has inspired great creative artists throughout the world ever since.
Even crazier is they found that the city was sacked and burned around when this war was supposed to take place in the multiple foundations as the city grew
Troy was real but there's no proof of Achilles though lol
achilles wasnt real lol
Paris slowly wising up, " I say we burn it." At least he is getting smarter!😆
Love this movie, glad your mom enjoyed it, your knowledge of greek mythology made the reaction that much better! So many great quotes in this movie!
Her name is Saffron Burrows. She played in Deep Blue Sea, Bank Job and other movies.
As an acting role, I remember her best from Wing Commander.
As a woman stripping down to very little, I definitely remember her best from Deep Blue Sea.
I love how Achilles was talking about the gods. Kinda hinting that they really should be in the story.
Maybe they are? he desecrated the statue of Apollo (god of Sun and archery, among others) and eventually was kiIIed by arrows...
The exact horse used in this movie still stands on Canakkale/Turkey, where the Troy was located back in antiquity. And the funny part is, Greeks and Turks are still their arch enemies today but they also love and respect each other. It is a weird relationship.
Also some funny informations: When Mehmet II conquered Constantinople 1453, he said that he revenged Hector.
In WW1, 1915, the Brltlsh send an undefeated armada, the most powerful navy ever seen at this date that led by battleship HMS Agamemnon to capture Gallipoli, the exact place where Troy used to stand, but they defeated and HMS Agamemnon docked to Smyrna (Izmir/Turkey today) until Turks won the independence war against Greeks (1922) and Kemal Ataturk threaten the Brltlsh by dictating he’d sink HMS Agamemnon if she won’t leave Turkish waters, as a result HMS Agamemnon fled back to Britain and Ataturk also said he avenged Hector.
Ataturk tried to find how Hector was looked like since he also used the tactic Hector used to defeat Greeks to put a statue for his honor, unfortunately couldn’t succeed to find out how he was looked like.
That was GREAT. I liked the story telling AFTER the movie as much as the movie! Thanks.
That scene between Peter O'toole and Brad Pitt in the tent was so powerful. 1 of my favorite scenes. I love Greek mythology so the ending of this video with all the explanation was the highlight for me
I love how even your mom was like oh no your your in deep shit now 😂😂😂
Paris was the biggest enemy even though he was one of the biggest cowards
I think I learned more about Greek mythology from Xena and this movie more than my actual mythology class in high school!😂 I remember reading the Iliad and the Odessey etc but the names were so hard for me to retain and grasp. Of course it was high school and was more into my social skills than my intellect at the time.😆
And to think Troy was a city of mythological legend...until it was actually discovered!!! I wonder about Atlantis!🤔
Nice reaction...thank you!!!
"He's an independent contractor, is he?" 😂😄
That was faster than Achilles sword swing
Your classical knowledge really added to the reaction. Thanks.
"Even enemies can show respect."
"If they ever tell my story let them say I walked with giants, men rise and fall like the Winter wheat but these names will never die... Let them say I lived in the time of Hector, tamer of horses...let them say I lived in the time of Achilles..." Odysseus
Wow, unluckily there aren't these many reactions to this movie but damn this one was the best so far - had to subscribe after not even 10 mins, after this one I need to check out your channel! As many others already said, your knowledge of the mythology behind the legends made the whole reaction far better! Keep up the good work 🙂
The only thing I dislike is Menelaus, in mythology/literature he was a honorable man and he loved his wife. Here, he is some barbaric brute.
Glad to find a reaction channel that actually knows the background story and conflicts, i.e. The Iliad. Thank you!
P.S. enjoyed you short history of mythology, ❤. Succinct and informative.
Yeah, enjoyed hearing Nick explain stuff, adds a cool dimension.
I have to give respect to you my friend... You know a lot of things about ancient Greece and our Mythology. Greetings from Greece... A little country with huge history...
Mama Jen...it's cute to hear how your voice lilts in joy when you say Brad's name. He is very easy to look at!😉😍😄
She may be older . . . but she ain't dead!
Brad was so incredible as Achilles. Also would recommend Immortals if you haven't seen it. It's starring a young Henry Cavill. It was the 1st film I saw him in. He plays Theseus in the movie
Is that the one with mickey rourke as the bad guy and Stephen dorff.
@@rachaelhogan7850 yes!
@flix2us that formation Achilles used was known. The Romans: Testudo formation, a Roman military tactic which involved a formation of soldiers using their shields to form a tortoise-shell-like protective cover against enemy weapons
It's still used today for riot control.
"In a movie where so many characters die, Sean Bean lived til the end". 😂Oh my gosh so true!
Wasn't Sean playing Odysseus who had some legendary ordeals getting home?
Eric Bana is great as Hector💜
Your Mom's commentary is so entertaining.
Diane Kruger was just terrific in her performance in FX's 2013 series 'The Bridge'. I binge-watched both seasons because she was so damn good. Oh - the series is absolutely excellent, too.
After Nick explains the situation:
Mum: Oh, shit! 😛
Love you guys, great reaction
Nick: " He's killed by his wife, Clytemnestra"
Mum: "Oh, good!"
By chance can we get a Rob Roy reaction?!? Great movie and sorely underrated!
Such a great movie. Thanks for sharing this one. 🙂
Thanks for reacting to this classic! This came out around the time I left for college and I owned the DVD (I’m kinda aging myself lol) and watched it all the time. Still one of my favorite historical movies of today. ❤
That duel is a really powerful scene, and one of the best ever filmed. I justwish Eric Bana would have used his shield... that's the one obvious weakness that shows it's not stuntmen doing it.
I loved the explanations throughout this video and at the end. It's always great to see people familiar with the mythology that this movie is based on.
Alexander The Great, and Hephaestion went to Troy and wore Hector and Achilles Armor and Shields. Reliving the Glory of these two warriors.
I think this is great movie, but to this day i can't hear Odysseus' name without thinking of the children's show "Wishbone", and the little dog Wishbone plays him in that.
The most sarcastic line of the show;
"I AM POSIDON, KING OF THE SEA!"
"I am Odysseus. Floating on this raft."
Oh, and let me ruin that lighthearted animal tale with something nobody wants to hear. In the scene where they lay the trap and the scout sees the ships, they did the courtesy of shooting the rider, and not the horse. That's not how it plays out in reality because you can't have a riderless horse return.
Your mom is awesome lmao
35:00 anybody who was not greek was presented as a barbarian. 'Barbarian' derives from the greek word 'barbaros', that means foreigner. All civilisations throughout history have considered the foreigners as savages. For the anecdote, Aeneas who leads the trojans out of the city is said to be the ancestor of Romulus, the founder of Rome.
I ❤ Sean Bean
Love this reaction, probably the best out there
the conversation between Priam and Achilles is my favorite part of the movie! Paris, Helen and their whole existence is my least favorite 🙈
Priam and Achilles scene is heartbreakingly good. I believe this was Peter O'Toole's last role before passing away...
There were trailers for this for over a year and half before it came out. Not many movies can live up to that kind of hype... This did.
Oh, for once after watching the reaction for Troy i didn't have to leave a comment about a true death of Agamemnon :D I had a book about Greek and Roman mythos during my childhood and read it back and forth dozens of time. My favorites were Troy epos and then the beginning of Rome.
Not sure, but I think you forgot to mention that Achilles and Patroclus were lovers, not cousins.
Ew Patroclus is.a man wtf, don’t think so he’s straight
Speaking of historical period epic films, another one directed by Ridley Scott that I think is often underrated and also stars Orlando Bloom is the 2005 'Kingdom of Heaven'. Orlando Bloom, Liam Neeson, an unrecognizable Ed Norton, Eva Green, Jeremy Irons and Brendan Gleeson and they are all great.
Φοβού τους Δαναούς και δώρα φέροντας. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. Greetings from Greece! Nice video and nice reaction!
And let's not forget Rose Byrne...she wasn't as well known when this first in theatres...she does great drama and horror yet I love her even more in comedies like Neighbors!
He brought him to fight but not until it was a situation where achilles could control it. The invasion wasnt thst. But later he would have set patroclus loose when he was able to make sure he wouldnt get hurt.
I too loved this movie for what it is
I love your content so I checked the comments. Ooopsies! That's a shitdisco of opinion, pseudoscience, archaeology and total lack there of. THIS WAS A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE. Enjoy it as it is!
Surprised you and your lovely mom didnt recognize Peter O’Toole, iconic and brilliant British actor… you know so many of the other actors!
they mentioned him quite alot
👍always fun to watch You having fun together
❤
Awesome movie this true history
I must say I have long adored this movie and I enjoyed watching your in depth reaction!😊 One of my favourite movies, King Arthur, also came out that year, riding on the same Gladiator-wave as Troy did. I'd love to see your take on it!🤷♀️
King Arthur is one of my favourite movies, and I truly consider it an under-appreciated masterpiece. One of Hans Zimmer's best scores.
Speaking of James Horner, have you not seen GLORY? Possibly Horner's greatest score.
We will add it to the list! 😊
36:30 One of the best One V One fights in movie history...at least in my humble opinion anyway.
Have you seen GLADIATOR.
@@rachaelhogan7850 I wrote,"One of the best". Random tidbit that may lend you an answer:
I own an ancient Faustina the younger roman coin, she was married to Marcus Aurelius and mother of Commodus. So yes...I've seen Gladiator ☺️which also has one of the best fights in modern cinema.
Im really impressed by your knowledge of both the Roman Empire and the Greek Mythology. I also have an interest in both since childhood, but with just a fraction of your knowledge. So the outro was very enjoyable to listen to. All though i knew about most of it, it had slipped away but came back when you talked about it. Keep up the good work.
Should’ve watched the director’s cut
It's good you showed her the theatrical version, the director's cut doesn't have that music.
Yeah. As much as I appreciate the added scenes and character work, I prefer the music in the theatrical cut. Same with King Arthur with Clive Owen.
Love this movie. Wish the gods were in because it was a god who “bewitched” Helen to love Paris so when Paris lost the vail slowly started to fall. ultimately leading Helen to not saying anything about the Trojan horse
I hated Orlando bloom's character so much, he starts a war and gets an happy ending!
Great movie, and I really enjoy your reactions. Since you’re well versed on the subject, let me ask you something: do you know of any kind of comics or graphic novels that cover Greek mythology?
Other movies based on Greek mythology I recommend watching are the Clash of the Titans remake and its sequel Wrath of the Titans. Historical drama series I recommend watching are Rome and Spartacus
Agreed, Rome and Spartacus are both fantastic shows!
I enjoyed the extended cut, which has more of Odysseus and Ajax. Having said that, I prefer the 2003 miniseries HELEN OF TROY. Obviously not the budget of the theatrical version, but well done.
If you want another historical epic, also featuring Orlando Bloom, i'd recommend "Kingdom of Heaven".
My favorite movie! Achilles is the GOAT
the movie that shortened the Trojan War from 10 years to a few days. Jada "Cleopatra" Smith must have been taking notes while she watched it.
Damn, you know your stuff. You make Europeans look bad 😅. All this stuff was taught in school when i was a kid so we sort of know these stories of The Iliad and The Odyssey. But you went full on Discovery Channel on us. Loved it. Let me repay you with this.. Hectors wife was played by the English actress Safron Burrows, she's in a lot but stands out in Deep Blue Sea. And Helen of Troy is played by Diane Kruger. Best known from Inglorious Basterds.
Regards from dark Denmark 😊
A masterpiece when it comes to the peplum genre! What Hollywood is too prudish to tell you is that Patrocles is not Achilles'cousin, but his lover. No wonder he was angry! Horses were created by Poseidon out of the ocean's foamy waves, that's why the Troyan horse is seen as an offer to Poseidon.
This being said, this is a very entertaining movie. I really enjoyed your reactions as well as your knowledge of ancient history.
Actually, in The Iliad they were just cousins! It was later authors that played up a romantic relationship, and it's become so ingrained in popular culture.
@@Flix2Us I see! It seems that I fell for the urban legend then. Thanks for correcting me!
@@TiisiphoneNot exactly an "urban legend", but as said before, another "canon" that was popularized a few hundred years after the Illiad was written. Aeschylus and Plato's works are the first that pop in my head, because they were convinced that Achilles and Patroclus' relationship was sexual in nature. You could even interpret those works as ancient fanfiction. I'm pretty sure even Shakespeare nods at it in Troilus and Cressida.
Technically, Achilles and Patroclus are first cousins once removed, since both have ancestry that date back to Aegina. Even though they are never explicitly referred to as lovers in the Illiad, their dynamic is very intimate and easy to INTERPRET as homoerotic. A lot of works were lost in time, but there's surely a reason why the wide majority of icons of the classical period saw them as a couple. Not only that but many queer folk in modern times, including myself, relate a lot to their relationship. Their closeness, be it romantic or platonic, is definetly downplayed in the movie, which is a shame.
@@acousthicc5198 Thanks for your in depth explaination!
@@acousthicc5198I think it's Hollywood that downplays their relationship. But fortunately we have an actor who is able to talk without words. It's very obvious to me that Achilles loves Patroklos. He is so relaxed and open in the scene with him at home. They joke and play with each other. You get this vibe never again in this movie. It's hard to say if it's erotic, but they definitely love each other.
Actually, Jewish tradition traces lineage through the mother, because while a man can never be sure a child is his, a woman always knows it's hers. It's very sensible.
Nice reaction.
I like this movie but I cannot compare it with the Iliad or Greek mythology... it would drive me mad. They basically made the Greeks more like villains. For example, Agamemnon is my favorite hero from the Trojan War, but here in this movie... horrible (Menelaus the same). Agamemnon was badass, one of the best warriors and hero, loyal, honest, great king and leader of whole greek army.
BTW I love how many historians and "experts" today don't think it's likely that a war (and such a large one) would have started just because of a woman... they kind of overlook how big a deal Xenia was, the law of hospitality which is overseen by the supreme Zeus himself; that Helen - "the woman" - was not just woman but the queen of Sparta, most beautiful in world and beloved wife of their king; and also somehow everyone forgets that Paris along with Hellena also took away the entire Spartan treasury... absolutely sufficient reasons for the involvement of all the Greeks and their allies against Troy and its allies. Paris insulted, humiliated and betrayed Menelaus and all the Greeks as much as he could. It would be rather impossible for something like that not to start a war. :D
Not to mention the previous bad relations of the Greeks with the Trojans (mainly because of the treacherous ruler Laomedon).
I really hated Achiles, such arrogant prick... but really liked the coreography of combats. It's really nice seeing greeks fighting like greeks and not like japanese. Great video as always guys!
That's why I prefer Diomedes in The Iliad. He has all the fighting prowess of Achilles, but none of his tantrums and more negative qualities.
@@Flix2Us I'm so glad you have such literature knowledge... I really enjoyed your comments on Dune, for example 😸I'm waiting fo the second part, see ya!
The source material hector ran the entire time until Achilles took him down with a spear.
The story, it wasn't his cousin, it was his lover i thought.
Trojans were also Greeks.. Hector Paris Priam brisiida are all Greek names.. They worshipped they same Greek gods. And spoke the same language.. This movie makes it seem as they weren't Greek
O'Toole was at his best in The LIon in Winter
Wait, helen was the girl from inglorious bastards?
44:10 damit you gona make me play Total War Rome again
Did the sword of Troy go on to be the sword of the stone in England?
No, that's Excalibur. The Trojan sword went with Aeneas to found Rome.
Fun action, that's all
13:45 no way thats for real, why would someone give their opponents an advantage like that i cant get it around in my head for it to make sense, whats next open the walls gates because the wall is too thin and cant hold all of the defenders soldiers
They should make a movie about how alexander the great wiped Thebes off the map.
Hector hero. Paris weak
Vikings/ greeks falangens
I also read somewhere that Achilles is supposed to be in a gay relationship with his "cousin", but made him the cousin and gave him a damsel in distress instead to appease to a more general audience.
Disgusting let’s hope not
Why Achilles brought Patroclos along? They had sex. Not in the movie, of course.
Errrrrr no Patroclus is a man Achilles is not a queer Achilles did women
That’s 2 men what you on gross
Obviously not as great as Gladiator or the supreme Kingdom of Heaven but leagues above the boring ass Hannibal, that movie was baaad!.
Are you talking about the one with Alexander Siddig? That one left a lot to be desired.
This is just as good as gladiator, and Troy as better than kingdom of heaven are you high ?
Wow you no,your stuff respect, I love this stuff to.