tbh if it wasn't Paris, soon or later they would have attacked troy anyways. Paris was actually a perfect "reason" to finally attack. also if wasn't the greeks. some other nations would have attacked anyways.
@@babushka9998 You said a lot of "what if's" that don't really matter. Paris (and perhaps the gods) is the one responsible for the war in both the movie and the Iliad, there is no point in trying to say otherwise.
@@henriquecesardesouzasilva8766 why you trying to convince me I don’t get it. and don’t come at me with gods lol and of course the what if matters. for example you saying paris fault, but why searching for the one defendant. There is so much more for the attack on Troy and it’s not JUST Paris. there is definitely more back story to it! and yeah maybe the movie made seems like paris fault. for example in the history books it says helenas fault, cause of her beauty, a war began. so there is no point to trying to say otherwise
@@babushka9998 you understand that this is story is a myth and there's no historial evidence on this war. There a dozens of versions of this story written over several centuries and Historians aren't even sure Troy actually existed the way it's described by Homer. It's still an ongoing debate whether it's pure fiction or has at least a historical core in Homers version of the trojan wars it is indeed Helenas kidnapping that starts the war which leads to a ten year siege on troy and finally to the legendary trojan horse.
"I'll tell you a secret, something they don't teach you in your temple.. the god's envy us. They envy us because we're mortal. Because any moment might be our last. Every things more beautiful because we're doomed" - Achilles.
- Initially, we wanted to make a fantasy film with Greek gods, but in the end we got a mythological epic - Brad and Eric had a Gentleman's agreement that for each serious blow they paid each other money, who paid how much to whom remains unknown + Brad was not physically ready for this role, but thanks to a personal trainer and a year of training, we saw the result of - This that rare case where Sean Bean doesn't die - Troy at that time it was hard to compete with Gladiator and the Last Samurai in terms of box office receipts
I would not refer to Ajax the Greater as a jobber. He was the Greeks best fighter only behind Achilles. He fought Hector twice. The first time they fought all day until Zues intervened and put an end to the fighting and Hector amd Ajax exchanged gifts out of mutual respect. The 2nd time they fought was when the Torjan Army tries to burnthe Greek ships. Ajax, weilding his mighty spear, basically single handedly holds off the Trojan army. He and Hector fight again and aided by Zues, Hector disarms Ajax but does not wound him. Seeing the Zues favors Hector in the fight, Ajax withdraws. Thanks to Ajax, the Trojans succeed in buring only one Greek ship When Patroclus is killed by Hector, it is Ajax that rescues Patroclus body from Hector who is trying to claim it. Hector does not kill Ajax in the Illiad. Ajax kills himself. After Achilles is slain, a competition is held who should get his armor. It comes down to Ajax amd Odysseus. Ajax argues since he rescued Achilles body and do to his Great skill and strength he should get the armor. Odysseus argues he should get it and Odysseus being the more eloquent speaking is awarded the armor. Ajax is so distraught and "conquered by his own grief", that he kills himself.
@@nataliestclair6176 I know the mythology. I was referring to the depiction of Ajax in this movie, how he was shown to be an amazing fighter in the first battle at the beach and how he died at the hands of Hector to prop him up.
Achilles was such a badass that the opening lines of the epic Illiad is about him Sing oh goddess of the wrath of Peleus' son, Achilles, that destructive wrath which brought countless woes upon the Achaeans, and that sent forth to Hades many valiant souls of heroes, and made them themselves spoil for dogs and every bird.
Mannelouse in the original mythology wasn't evil or abusive or unfaithful. He genuinely loved Helen and she actually loved him. Helen only left him for Paris because the goddess of love Aphrodite made her fall in love with. Paris. Aphrodite, Athena and Hera were in a contest to see who was the most beautiful. They asked Paris to decide and offered him different things. Aphrodite offered to make Helen love him and he chose her. When Helen ran away with Paris she didn't even leave a letter or anything to explain. So Mannelouse launched the war to rescue her believing she was kidnapped and he did get her back.
Well damn. The gods are ALWAYS meddling in the affairs of humans. I guess it works better for the love story here to have Menelaus be awful so the audience will root for Paris.
@@AcharaI know Kratos was a fictional character they added to the Greek mythology but honestly the more I learn about everything they did from my friend (he’s big on Greek mythology) the more I’m like “maybe Kratos had the right idea. Sure millions of people died and the Greek world basically went to ruin but I mean c’mon the Gods sucked anyway”
@@Achara That, and I think it went better with this more grounded take on the myth. This version is notably absent gods and goddesses so they had to give everyone realistic motivations.
Lot of top tier actor...but really the one in that movie that is the best in every single scene is Peter O'toole as King Priam. His speech are the stuff of legend and his one to one conversation with Achilles is top tier acting ! What they say too..."Achilles: If i do this, it doesn't change anything. Your still my enemy in the morning", Priam: Your still my enemy tonight...but even enemy can show respect..."Something people tend to forget !
Sean Bean character Odysseus has his own amazing story called The Odyssey. It’s basically about his epic adventures to get back home, they was supposed to make a movie but canceled it. It one of my favorite Greek mythology story ever
Have you seen the movie "O Brother where art thou" staring George Clooney? it's a comedy movie loosely based on Odyssey. It's pretty funny especially once you start to make the connection between the two stories.
@@leonardobraynen1524 He did do a kinda sorta similar series as Sharpe based on Bernard Cornwell's novels. No comparison to Odyssey's, well, odyssey, of course, but still worth a watch.
Big thing to remember when it comes to the mindset of the Ancient Greek heroes, is that everything they say and do is done with the idea of personal glory. What can I do to further increase my renown? my reputation? what would doing this for someone else affect my own glory? The Ancient Greek heroes in the old plays were quite egotistical and self absorbed. Even those like Odysseus are consumed by this yearning for legacy and status. Comparatively the heroes of the Ancient Romans are the complete reverse of this mindset: instead of personal glory it is glory for Rome. What can I do to better Rome? What can I do go make Rome known across the land? What can I do to increase the prosperity of Romes people?
The part when Achilles says " I have no argument with you brothers; but if you don't release her you'll never see home again. DECIDE!!! " is underrated bad assery 👊🏻
Man that duel..Helen fell in love with a coward..Paris ran to his big brother to protect him..How in the world could Helen think that Paris could protect her as a man should after seeing that.
The big dude with the maul is Ajax, King of Salamis, a renowned Greek hero of the Classical Era, said to be "stronger than all Greece." The dish soap brand Ajax named their product that because it's "stronger than all grease" :P
In the actual mythology Achilles was the son of the king Palonius and the demigoddess Thetus daughter of posiedon. Thetus bathed Achilles in the mystical river of stix which leads to the underworld. Bathing in the water made Achilles invincible all over his body except for the heal as that's where his mother held him. Thetus predicted Achilles death in the war and told him to hide. So he disguised himself as a woman and hid in a kings court. It worked until Odysseus found him and revealed his secret. Achilles only refused to stop fighting because Agammendon had the woman he loved. The movie made Achilles a lot less heroic.
Both those stories were not in the original Illiad. They were never in the Iliad. Those stories were written by the Roman poet Statius around 90 AD. According to what archeologists can deduce the Iliad was first told around 1250 bc and the oldest written account of it ever found was dated to around 800 bc. The stories about Achilles being dipped in the river Styx and hiding as a girl were written by Statius in his poem about Achilles titled Achilleid.
Achilles commanded the 50 ships of the Argos Pelasgikon (i.e. the Thessalian kingdoms) contingent - Pelasgians, Phthians (including the Myrmidons), Hellenes, Achaeans.
this movie really condenses the Illiad into a short period the Illiad covers about 10 years from the star of the Trojan war till its end then you have the Odyssey set right after it with Odysseus trip home which itself takes him 10 years to make the man really took the long way home.
The Trojan war lasted 10 years not a few days 😂 Loved your reaction vids 😊 You guys should watch The Odyssey with Armand Asante and Greta Sachee it's about the Greeks journey home from the Trojan war. Excellent movie 😊
He cut the head of Sun God statue which looks like an archer and in the end Achilles got hit by an arrow on his heel by prince. Maybe there is a connection.
Diane Kruger was PERFECTLY cast as Helen Of Troy! Not only is she literally one of the most naturally beautiful women that has ever walked the earth, she’s also a truly top tier actress. You absolutely feel for this woman who just wants to be with a man she truly loves and not be a prize for someone to try to win.
If you ever feel bad for the Trojans, just remember the surviving Trojans who fled Troy would eventually become the Great Roman Empire, which conquered Greece as a whole. It took hundreds of years but they got their revenge.
I've watched like 10 of these reactions to "Troy". This is the one I like best. You listen to the dialog, not talking over it, and give pretty smart comments & reactions. Insight, humor, but also some compassion. Most reactors miss a lot of the points the movie raises. I saw this movie when it was released in theaters 20 years ago. I'd read the myths decades before as a kid. The makes me think of what could've happened that inspired the supernatural story. But no gods here, no super powers. The embellishments I see are the exaggeration of Troy's walls, and how advanced the city is shown to be. They borrowed from other civilizations from that time period. I could see people thinking Achilles was so good at fighting that he couldn't be killed, like that boy said in the beginning of the movie. I could soldiers finding Achilles at the end of the movie, with that arrow in his ankle, and figure that must've been the one spot he was vulnerable...
Helen was 'the face that launched a thousand ships'. If you lived through the '60s, Grace Slick was 'the voice that launched a thousand trips.' LSD was a thing.
6:51 This freeze frame, shows the perfect image of an older brother hearing his younger brother talking brainless nonsense to him. Hector must be thinking at this second: You who has never seen a fight, and has no idea of fighting, says "Then I die fighting", there will be no fight you brat, it will just be you dead on the ground.
This is one of my favorite movies of all time, and the musical score has a big role to play in it. Paris' character is as infuriating as it was the first time but loved Achilles and Hector.
It's such a brilliant movie this. I remember watching it in theatres in Bangalore with not much expectations and was blown away on how well the movie was acted.
Can we have a reaction that doesn't have 2024 diatribes and ranting about how people behaved in the past? Especially a story that was written in the 8th century bc!? If i hear them complain about how this person looked or acted when it comes to men and women behaviors. Its like reactors want stories told in the past to fit their worldview now in order to make them feel better. Just emerse yourself in the story without it being a condemnation of everything thats told from a point of view that doesn't fit in your stances when it comes to corrected behaviors. A man shouldn't talk that way to a woman? Guess what ? They did! God forbid if they would've told the story the way it was written by Homer with the greek gods interface in the war that spanned 10 years .
Well is not a surprised they both got offended about it my god is just these nowadays people become crying offended about anything pathetic soft ASF generation Especially thes Me To toxic so call mouvement LOL bunch of snowflakes 😭❄️
In one of the most popular battles of troy. Achilles had a worthy opponent named memnon. He was a prince of Ethiopia and a strong and skilled fighter who managed to wound Achilles on the hand.
The story about Achilles mother dipping him in the River Styx was not in the original Illiad. They were never in the Iliad. Those stories were written by the Roman poet Statius around 90 AD. According to what archeologists can deduce the Iliad was first told around 1250 bc and the oldest written account of it ever found was dated to around 800 bc. The stories about Achilles being dipped in the river Styx and hiding as a girl were written by Statius in his poem about Achilles titled Achilleid. Achilles mother, Thetis, was a minor goddess. She was a sae nymph.
Funnily enough, that first stab that Achilles pulls off against the champion is anatomically correct. It was an old technique they used, since the sword was long enough to reach down and hit the top of the heart, while that angle let you avoid the ribs, shoulder blades, sternum, and collarbone. One of my anatomy teacher's favorite facts to share about this movie.
After this movie was released, people who saw it started asking if this was based on a real historical event. The answer is, nobody knows. Homer, a Greek poet, wrote an epic called The Illiad (8th century BCE) which is the story from which this movie is based. A city (Hisarlık) was found on the coast of Turkey on the other side of the Agean Sea from Greece which is of the right estimated age. However, academics disagree if this could be the ruins of Troy. At any rate, Homer's Illiad is quite different from the movie in that in the Illiad, several Greek Gods were involved and meddling in the war, helping both sides by manipulating the actions of the heros like Achilles and giving them weapons made by the gods. Which conflicts with the movie where Hector says "the Gods won't fight the war for us..." yet in the Illiad, the Gods ARE involved directly. Obviously that part at least, was made up (Unless you believe in those gods...). So given that Homer was a poet, not a historian and that gods were written into the story, I think it all was probably a fanciful fiction. What is your view?
Haven't watched the movie before, and I was really shocked with Menelaos' death. In the original version, he lives, and after the war goes back to Sparta with Helen
Of the twelve Olympian deities: Apollo and Aphrodite supported Troy, Athena and Poseidon supported the Greeks. Ares simply enjoys the war. Zeus plots the course of history. Hades welcomes the dead.
You girls are smart. I like the moments when you are able to draw conclusions from the situation. Of course, movies are predictable, but not everyone can predict what the end result will be.
A fun movie, though seems like Sean Bean was the only one who actually read any of the myths (he nailed Odysseus). The Achilles of myth was angered for losing the priestess because she was his slave girl and he wanted the spoils. No love story at all.
Traditionally, the Trojan War arose from a sequence of events beginning with a quarrel between the goddesses Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite. Eris, the goddess of discord, was not invited to the wedding of Peleus and Thetis, and so arrived bearing a gift: a golden apple, inscribed "for the fairest". Each of the goddesses claimed to be the "fairest", and the rightful owner of the apple. They submitted the judgment to a shepherd they encountered tending his flock. Each of the goddesses promised the young man a boon in return for his favour: power, wisdom, or love. The youth-in fact Paris, a Trojan prince who had been raised in the countryside-chose love, and awarded the apple to Aphrodite. As his reward, Aphrodite caused Helen, the Queen of Sparta, and most beautiful of all women, to fall in love with Paris. The judgement of Paris earned him the ire of both Hera and Athena, and when Helen left her husband, Menelaus, the Spartan king, for Paris of Troy, Menelaus called upon all the kings and princes of Greece to wage war upon Troy. they followed their stars and were playthings for the Gods amusement
If you havent seen it already, I would really recommend checking out Strange Days from 1995 which will be turning 30 next year and is a forgotten masterpiece from Katherine Bigelow and James Cameron, starring Ralph Fiennes, Angela Basset and Juliet Lewis. Its is an incredible movie, but there just aren't that many reactions out there for it so far.
Paris is the REAL villain of the movie.
tbh if it wasn't Paris, soon or later they would have attacked troy anyways. Paris was actually a perfect "reason" to finally attack. also if wasn't the greeks. some other nations would have attacked anyways.
to me the real villains are definitely the king brothers of the greeks
@@babushka9998 You said a lot of "what if's" that don't really matter. Paris (and perhaps the gods) is the one responsible for the war in both the movie and the Iliad, there is no point in trying to say otherwise.
@@henriquecesardesouzasilva8766 why you trying to convince me I don’t get it. and don’t come at me with gods lol and of course the what if matters. for example you saying paris fault, but why searching for the one defendant. There is so much more for the attack on Troy and it’s not JUST Paris. there is definitely more back story to it! and yeah maybe the movie made seems like paris fault. for example in the history books it says helenas fault, cause of her beauty, a war began.
so there is no point to trying to say otherwise
@@babushka9998 you understand that this is story is a myth and there's no historial evidence on this war. There a dozens of versions of this story written over several centuries and Historians aren't even sure Troy actually existed the way it's described by Homer. It's still an ongoing debate whether it's pure fiction or has at least a historical core
in Homers version of the trojan wars it is indeed Helenas kidnapping that starts the war which leads to a ten year siege on troy and finally to the legendary trojan horse.
19:20 "War is young men dying and old men talking." Facts…
Still true
There is also "Beware of an old man in a profession where young men die."
Still happening to this day
"I'll tell you a secret, something they don't teach you in your temple.. the god's envy us. They envy us because we're mortal. Because any moment might be our last. Every things more beautiful because we're doomed"
- Achilles.
he was talking about his own life because they sure as hell don't envy me
I would rather envy them, who are Immortal
They envied Achilles because he looked like Brad Pitt.
My favorite line in this movie.
Foolishness
Brendan Gleeson and Brian Cox as brothers is chef kiss
*Brendan Gleeson
Also, they were both in Braveheart.
@tomaskennedy That's right I totally forgot about that one
@@tomaskennedyboth are Scots, no?
@@tomaskennedy ...oh shit, thats right....William Wallace's best friend and uncle
- Initially, we wanted to make a fantasy film with Greek gods, but in the end we got a mythological epic
- Brad and Eric had a Gentleman's agreement that for each serious blow they paid each other money, who paid how much to whom remains unknown + Brad was not physically ready for this role, but thanks to a personal trainer and a year of training, we saw the result of
- This that rare case where Sean Bean doesn't die
- Troy at that time it was hard to compete with Gladiator and the Last Samurai in terms of box office receipts
Sean Bean survived, but to make sure the universe stays in balance, they had to sacrifice 3/4 of the rest of this ensemble cast.
Why do i love this comment section so much? Probably because of the Sean Bean gag hahaha
Achara rolling her eyes every time Paris speaks 😂💀
Right lol, I love both there reactions to this movie. 😂😂
That big guy that threw horses with their riders like it's nothing is Ajax another legendary greek hero.
It's sad though that he basically became a jobber to Hector
I would not refer to Ajax the Greater as a jobber. He was the Greeks best fighter only behind Achilles.
He fought Hector twice. The first time they fought all day until Zues intervened and put an end to the fighting and Hector amd Ajax exchanged gifts out of mutual respect.
The 2nd time they fought was when the Torjan Army tries to burnthe Greek ships.
Ajax, weilding his mighty spear, basically single handedly holds off the Trojan army. He and Hector fight again and aided by Zues, Hector disarms Ajax but does not wound him. Seeing the Zues favors Hector in the fight, Ajax withdraws. Thanks to Ajax, the Trojans succeed in buring only one Greek ship
When Patroclus is killed by Hector, it is Ajax that rescues Patroclus body from Hector who is trying to claim it.
Hector does not kill Ajax in the Illiad. Ajax kills himself. After Achilles is slain, a competition is held who should get his armor. It comes down to Ajax amd Odysseus. Ajax argues since he rescued Achilles body and do to his Great skill and strength he should get the armor. Odysseus argues he should get it and Odysseus being the more eloquent speaking is awarded the armor.
Ajax is so distraught and "conquered by his own grief", that he kills himself.
@@nataliestclair6176 I know the mythology. I was referring to the depiction of Ajax in this movie, how he was shown to be an amazing fighter in the first battle at the beach and how he died at the hands of Hector to prop him up.
@@GuillermoCambro-cq3gl And then he became a power cleanser. And now his name lives forever in our kitchen cabinets. From the beach to the bleach.
@@GuillermoCambro-cq3gl yes I agree
Achilles was such a badass that the opening lines of the epic Illiad is about him
Sing oh goddess of the wrath of Peleus' son, Achilles, that destructive wrath which brought countless woes upon the Achaeans, and that sent forth to Hades many valiant souls of heroes, and made them themselves spoil for dogs and every bird.
Movie: “Will our actions echo across the centuries?”
Steph: “Definitely, so please CHILL OUT”
😂😂 that killed me
Mannelouse in the original mythology wasn't evil or abusive or unfaithful. He genuinely loved Helen and she actually loved him. Helen only left him for Paris because the goddess of love Aphrodite made her fall in love with. Paris. Aphrodite, Athena and Hera were in a contest to see who was the most beautiful. They asked Paris to decide and offered him different things. Aphrodite offered to make Helen love him and he chose her. When Helen ran away with Paris she didn't even leave a letter or anything to explain. So Mannelouse launched the war to rescue her believing she was kidnapped and he did get her back.
Well damn. The gods are ALWAYS meddling in the affairs of humans. I guess it works better for the love story here to have Menelaus be awful so the audience will root for Paris.
@@AcharaI know Kratos was a fictional character they added to the Greek mythology but honestly the more I learn about everything they did from my friend (he’s big on Greek mythology) the more I’m like “maybe Kratos had the right idea. Sure millions of people died and the Greek world basically went to ruin but I mean c’mon the Gods sucked anyway”
Menelaus* but otherwise yup, spot on!
So... Fuck troy then
@@Achara That, and I think it went better with this more grounded take on the myth. This version is notably absent gods and goddesses so they had to give everyone realistic motivations.
Troy to Gladiator is like what Goodfellas is to The Godfather
That’s such a good comparison! I now love both Troy and Gladiator ❤️
That is such a perfect comparison. It's just the great, "flashy" story to go with the more grounded one.
This is a perfect analogy
huh?
Absolutely! (Also I don’t think I’m smart enough to fully grasp this comparison)
Lot of top tier actor...but really the one in that movie that is the best in every single scene is Peter O'toole as King Priam. His speech are the stuff of legend and his one to one conversation with Achilles is top tier acting ! What they say too..."Achilles: If i do this, it doesn't change anything. Your still my enemy in the morning", Priam: Your still my enemy tonight...but even enemy can show respect..."Something people tend to forget !
Sean Bean character Odysseus has his own amazing story called The Odyssey. It’s basically about his epic adventures to get back home, they was supposed to make a movie but canceled it. It one of my favorite Greek mythology story ever
Odysseus is a legend in his own right. So many amazing characters in Greek mythology!
Have you seen the movie "O Brother where art thou" staring George Clooney? it's a comedy movie loosely based on Odyssey. It's pretty funny especially once you start to make the connection between the two stories.
I would stil watch a movie with Sean Bean s Odysseus
@@leonardobraynen1524 He did do a kinda sorta similar series as Sharpe based on Bernard Cornwell's novels. No comparison to Odyssey's, well, odyssey, of course, but still worth a watch.
When Sean Bean plays a character that doesn't immediately die at the first half of the movie....
Big thing to remember when it comes to the mindset of the Ancient Greek heroes, is that everything they say and do is done with the idea of personal glory.
What can I do to further increase my renown? my reputation? what would doing this for someone else affect my own glory?
The Ancient Greek heroes in the old plays were quite egotistical and self absorbed. Even those like Odysseus are consumed by this yearning for legacy and status.
Comparatively the heroes of the Ancient Romans are the complete reverse of this mindset: instead of personal glory it is glory for Rome.
What can I do to better Rome? What can I do go make Rome known across the land? What can I do to increase the prosperity of Romes people?
That's a very nice touch to bring up! Thanks!
United States: "What can I do, no matter how cheap, tawdry, vile, embarrassing, simple or disgusting, to become rich and famous throughout the land?!"
Achilles: Mother, will the world remember me?
Mom: Lols. They name a bodypart after you.
Not a body part but an expression for weak spot.
@@SuperErmacX Achilles Tendon
@@SuperErmacX Solar plexus? The jugular vein? Eyes?
@@loveblanket6512 you ok buddy? It's called a joke
My favorite herb, yarrow, is also named after Achilles. It's really good at stopping bleeding.
The part when Achilles says " I have no argument with you brothers; but if you don't release her you'll never see home again. DECIDE!!! " is underrated bad assery 👊🏻
Yeah, and then she gave Agamemnon a bath. 😅 Soooooooooooooooooooooooo . . .
@@TylerD288 He said he didn't do anything to her though.
@@letitbe1977 I know, I was just kidding. 😂But can you imagine? Yuck!
@@TylerD288 I prefer not to imagine at all.
This was filmed in Malta they had to import all the tons of sand because Malta has hardly any, old family holiday destination.
Parts were filmed in Baja in Mexico. I was there on vacation when it happened and saw the ads calling for extras.
Please note that Hector is carving a Trojan Horse out of wood on the ship, foreshadowing
Ooooh! I didn’t catch that.
ITS a lion
Man that duel..Helen fell in love with a coward..Paris ran to his big brother to protect him..How in the world could Helen think that Paris could protect her as a man should after seeing that.
they were both young and stupid.
Aphrodite (Goddess of Love) made Helen fall in love with Paris !
@ineedpowers5151 well none of that was adapted into this movie, so we really can't count it.
His Simp ass was a lover not a fighter 😂
This movie had one of the best teaser trailers for it's era!
The big dude with the maul is Ajax, King of Salamis, a renowned Greek hero of the Classical Era, said to be "stronger than all Greece." The dish soap brand Ajax named their product that because it's "stronger than all grease" :P
"Peak Orlando Bloomness" 😂
Vincent Regan (actor) was Captain/Commander of both Epic movies. This movie and 300.
In the actual mythology Achilles was the son of the king Palonius and the demigoddess Thetus daughter of posiedon. Thetus bathed Achilles in the mystical river of stix which leads to the underworld. Bathing in the water made Achilles invincible all over his body except for the heal as that's where his mother held him. Thetus predicted Achilles death in the war and told him to hide. So he disguised himself as a woman and hid in a kings court. It worked until Odysseus found him and revealed his secret. Achilles only refused to stop fighting because Agammendon had the woman he loved. The movie made Achilles a lot less heroic.
The heel story is a rather late addition, first known from the 1st Century AD. It isn't part of the Iliad.
And making Brad Pitt disguised as a woman will make it look more heroic? Sure lol.
Both those stories were not in the original Illiad. They were never in the Iliad. Those stories were written by the Roman poet Statius around 90 AD. According to what archeologists can deduce the Iliad was first told around 1250 bc and the oldest written account of it ever found was dated to around 800 bc. The stories about Achilles being dipped in the river Styx and hiding as a girl were written by Statius in his poem about Achilles titled Achilleid.
Achilles arrived at Troy with 50 ships, each carrying 50 Myrmidons.
Achilles commanded the 50 ships of the Argos Pelasgikon (i.e. the Thessalian kingdoms) contingent - Pelasgians, Phthians (including the Myrmidons), Hellenes, Achaeans.
“Helen your boy toy is dead” had me laughing 😂
Yes and because of that mythology they named that heel part as 'Achilles Tendon'. 'Achilles Heel' means a vulnerable part of something / someone.
Exactly.
this movie really condenses the Illiad into a short period the Illiad covers about 10 years from the star of the Trojan war till its end then you have the Odyssey set right after it with Odysseus trip home which itself takes him 10 years to make the man really took the long way home.
What a luxury to have the legendary Peter O´toole in this movie, a great actor of old Hollywood, in one of the last films of his career.
Hector said any man would die for his wife. But any man would kill for his brother.
This is one of my favourite movies. Extremely underrated.
Yes, underinflated.
When Hector was angry Achilles refuses to fight. Maybe Hector should do the same when Achilles was furious.
Diane Kruger was well cast, unknown back then.
First of two Stark brothers to play Odysseus, they get to meet the Lord Commander
"Oh Paris !"
"Paris no one asked you !"
🤣🤣🤣
I could keep watching this again and again just to hear Steph and Achara's comments 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The Trojan war lasted 10 years not a few days 😂
Loved your reaction vids 😊
You guys should watch The Odyssey with Armand Asante and Greta Sachee it's about the Greeks journey home from the Trojan war.
Excellent movie 😊
What are they teaching people these days in college? especially reactors I learned about this story in the 6th grade
@@ghostlee6434 Well realistically nobody except us actually listen to history class... I get the frustration but that's just how it is
"Starts an epic war."I could be wrong but i believe the sources say the war/siege lasted ten years. Epic is an understatement lol.
He cut the head of Sun God statue which looks like an archer and in the end Achilles got hit by an arrow on his heel by prince. Maybe there is a connection.
🌞 god
@@GuillermoCambro-cq3gl Ohhh. Thanks. Now I understand. I am gonna correct it.
Yea. Apollo poisoned the arrow that killed Achilles in the classic story.
@@nayjay468 Oh, now I understood very much. 👍
@@nayjay468 well, looks like apollo got his revenge.
Diane Kruger was PERFECTLY cast as Helen Of Troy! Not only is she literally one of the most naturally beautiful women that has ever walked the earth, she’s also a truly top tier actress. You absolutely feel for this woman who just wants to be with a man she truly loves and not be a prize for someone to try to win.
Daryl Dixon is one lucky bastard.
i love the occasional roasts from each side of the battle
If you ever feel bad for the Trojans, just remember the surviving Trojans who fled Troy would eventually become the Great Roman Empire, which conquered Greece as a whole. It took hundreds of years but they got their revenge.
Hector is my favorite character of all time .
My favorite part is when he gets dragged in the sand behind the chariot.
I've watched like 10 of these reactions to "Troy". This is the one I like best. You listen to the dialog, not talking over it, and give pretty smart comments & reactions. Insight, humor, but also some compassion. Most reactors miss a lot of the points the movie raises. I saw this movie when it was released in theaters 20 years ago. I'd read the myths decades before as a kid. The makes me think of what could've happened that inspired the supernatural story. But no gods here, no super powers. The embellishments I see are the exaggeration of Troy's walls, and how advanced the city is shown to be. They borrowed from other civilizations from that time period. I could see people thinking Achilles was so good at fighting that he couldn't be killed, like that boy said in the beginning of the movie. I could soldiers finding Achilles at the end of the movie, with that arrow in his ankle, and figure that must've been the one spot he was vulnerable...
Helen was 'the face that launched a thousand ships'. If you lived through the '60s, Grace Slick was 'the voice that launched a thousand trips.' LSD was a thing.
This movie is underrated
"I like Achilles, but im not on his side" sums up the whole movie
Luv this movie one of my favorites and still till this day will say Paris is the true villain lol.
Honestly, you’re not wrong! 😂
6:51 This freeze frame, shows the perfect image of an older brother hearing his younger brother talking brainless nonsense to him.
Hector must be thinking at this second: You who has never seen a fight, and has no idea of fighting, says "Then I die fighting", there will be no fight you brat, it will just be you dead on the ground.
29:21 I CLEARLY heard.."is this SIMP, what you left me for..?" 😂😂
Almost forgot that Vincent Regan (Garp in One Piece Live Action) played a role in Troy too!
"He's not my king." 'Can you come fight for us' - has to be the most reasonable thing I never heard.
This is one of my favorite movies of all time, and the musical score has a big role to play in it. Paris' character is as infuriating as it was the first time but loved Achilles and Hector.
It's such a brilliant movie this. I remember watching it in theatres in Bangalore with not much expectations and was blown away on how well the movie was acted.
Can we have a reaction that doesn't have 2024 diatribes and ranting about how people behaved in the past? Especially a story that was written in the 8th century bc!? If i hear them complain about how this person looked or acted when it comes to men and women behaviors. Its like reactors want stories told in the past to fit their worldview now in order to make them feel better. Just emerse yourself in the story without it being a condemnation of everything thats told from a point of view that doesn't fit in your stances when it comes to corrected behaviors. A man shouldn't talk that way to a woman? Guess what ? They did! God forbid if they would've told the story the way it was written by Homer with the greek gods interface in the war that spanned 10 years .
Well is not a surprised they both got offended about it my god is just these nowadays people become crying offended about anything pathetic soft ASF generation Especially thes Me To toxic so call mouvement LOL bunch of snowflakes 😭❄️
Thank you!
Hear hear. Wen it's a movie portraying back then it must stick to it as much as they can
What's the point of reacting to something if you can't criticize it through the eyes of the modern age? Everything does not age well. Suck it up.
Yeah, women back then were seen and hardly heard 😂
Thank you for watching the theatrical cut!!
Music lines up sooooo much better 🎉
In one of the most popular battles of troy. Achilles had a worthy opponent named memnon. He was a prince of Ethiopia and a strong and skilled fighter who managed to wound Achilles on the hand.
The story about Achilles mother dipping him in the River Styx was not in the original Illiad. They were never in the Iliad. Those stories were written by the Roman poet Statius around 90 AD. According to what archeologists can deduce the Iliad was first told around 1250 bc and the oldest written account of it ever found was dated to around 800 bc. The stories about Achilles being dipped in the river Styx and hiding as a girl were written by Statius in his poem about Achilles titled Achilleid.
Achilles mother, Thetis, was a minor goddess. She was a sae nymph.
Funnily enough, that first stab that Achilles pulls off against the champion is anatomically correct. It was an old technique they used, since the sword was long enough to reach down and hit the top of the heart, while that angle let you avoid the ribs, shoulder blades, sternum, and collarbone.
One of my anatomy teacher's favorite facts to share about this movie.
After this movie was released, people who saw it started asking if this was based on a real historical event. The answer is, nobody knows. Homer, a Greek poet, wrote an epic called The Illiad (8th century BCE) which is the story from which this movie is based. A city (Hisarlık) was found on the coast of Turkey on the other side of the Agean Sea from Greece which is of the right estimated age. However, academics disagree if this could be the ruins of Troy. At any rate, Homer's Illiad is quite different from the movie in that in the Illiad, several Greek Gods were involved and meddling in the war, helping both sides by manipulating the actions of the heros like Achilles and giving them weapons made by the gods. Which conflicts with the movie where Hector says "the Gods won't fight the war for us..." yet in the Illiad, the Gods ARE involved directly. Obviously that part at least, was made up (Unless you believe in those gods...). So given that Homer was a poet, not a historian and that gods were written into the story, I think it all was probably a fanciful fiction. What is your view?
This was peak cinema.
Truly
@@Acharaare you actually Achara 🤔
Achara is my Helen, I’m sorry jaby 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Are they dating? I thought Jaby and Achara are just good friends
@@Pk_1911 I don’t know if their dating I’m just semi serious 😂
Can´t wait for part 2
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Fun fact: - the actor who played Achilles' second in command is the the same actor who portrayed Leonidas' right hand man in 300.
The ral display of power was 3 seconds later when he deadpan stared an army in the eyes asking IS THERE NO ONE ELSE?
I forgot the captain from 300 was in this. Hes always playing the super loyal sidekick to badass
Haven't watched the movie before, and I was really shocked with Menelaos' death. In the original version, he lives, and after the war goes back to Sparta with Helen
Actually in the original story Helen was killed by one of the wives shortly they escaped troy
Of the twelve Olympian deities: Apollo and Aphrodite supported Troy, Athena and Poseidon supported the Greeks. Ares simply enjoys the war. Zeus plots the course of history. Hades welcomes the dead.
Imagine being so truly Legendary , that a part of the body of every human in the world is named after you thousands of years later.
Compared to other historical period movies like Alexander and Kingdom of Heaven, Troy is actually entertaining.
Troy is such a good movie! Great music too☺️
10:09 Actually, the invincibility thing was something that was added later. In the original myths, Achilles was as mortal as the next man.
Absolutely love this movie. It’s so underrated. And Achara and Steph are my favorites. Top tier reactors. 💜💜👍🏽👍🏽
The horse was most likely a ship with a horse head, they were more sailors than horse riders. Ships were the horses of the seas.
Thank you for watching the original version and not the director's cut.
Actually they DID do CGI crowds, there were like 200 or so people who were duplicated in post-production
Hector was truly a great leader, yet his shortcomings would be his own family, his brother with his love for Helen and his fathers faith traditions
Helen was actually a Spartan princess..she had a twin sister who was married to.Agamemnon. (Clytenestra).
You girls are smart. I like the moments when you are able to draw conclusions from the situation. Of course, movies are predictable, but not everyone can predict what the end result will be.
I will always side with Hector. He wasn’t best warrior, but he was the bravest, just and honest man.
Glad you watched the theatrical cut, with this particular movie I've always preferred it to the director's cut.
he saying fight me,made me laugh so much 😂
A fun movie, though seems like Sean Bean was the only one who actually read any of the myths (he nailed Odysseus). The Achilles of myth was angered for losing the priestess because she was his slave girl and he wanted the spoils. No love story at all.
Yeah but Pitt played Achilles as a murderous terrifying rock star and I think that's pretty accurate also.
Troy is one of the greatest movies ever
My mother LOVES this movie! She knows EVERY single line! I'm telling you. But she loves Brad Pitt so...
Hey Cinepals, why did you delete your Conan the Barbarian video?
Awesome reaction ladies!!! You two should react to Conan The Barbarian as well ❤
Traditionally, the Trojan War arose from a sequence of events beginning with a quarrel between the goddesses Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite. Eris, the goddess of discord, was not invited to the wedding of Peleus and Thetis, and so arrived bearing a gift: a golden apple, inscribed "for the fairest". Each of the goddesses claimed to be the "fairest", and the rightful owner of the apple. They submitted the judgment to a shepherd they encountered tending his flock. Each of the goddesses promised the young man a boon in return for his favour: power, wisdom, or love. The youth-in fact Paris, a Trojan prince who had been raised in the countryside-chose love, and awarded the apple to Aphrodite. As his reward, Aphrodite caused Helen, the Queen of Sparta, and most beautiful of all women, to fall in love with Paris. The judgement of Paris earned him the ire of both Hera and Athena, and when Helen left her husband, Menelaus, the Spartan king, for Paris of Troy, Menelaus called upon all the kings and princes of Greece to wage war upon Troy. they followed their stars and were playthings for the Gods amusement
The only bad part of this movie is the omission of the gods direct involvement in the ensuing events.
I love the way they act like they're watching the movie for the first time lol
Him: " come with me "
Her. "easy for you to say 👀" 😅😅😅😅😜
0:14 somehow i don't doubt that steph can relate. and i can see why
This movie is epic!
I think that younger actor is from the movie Four Brothers and was in Tron: Legacy 2010
Why somebody didn't give Orlando a blonde wig and a bow I'll never know. He could have ended the war in like 24 minutes.
Just imagine that Achilles influenced Alexander The Great to do what he did. Amazing legends who still live after thousands of years passed.
If you havent seen it already, I would really recommend checking out Strange Days from 1995 which will be turning 30 next year and is a forgotten masterpiece from Katherine Bigelow and James Cameron, starring Ralph Fiennes, Angela Basset and Juliet Lewis. Its is an incredible movie, but there just aren't that many reactions out there for it so far.
The amount of times I randomly say "he's going to take the beach of Troy with 50 men" is far too high
Achilles's mother was the Goddess Thetis
Love that Hollywood made this classical stories