I’m curious how vengeances new balance changes affect this fight. Stuff like the idun nerf, demons with powerful passives like beezlebub, combo skills like the Zeus/Demeter one , new strong demons like masakados, and stuff like omnipotent succession+Paraslene Blur…. Probably still gonna come down to adversity and murakumo spam tho
@@Desixxxre tbf, I can't say pre-nerf Idun's heal is medium. It's closer to -dyne spell levels in terms of healing amount, even higher than Mediarama. Now it's medium
Regarding Demi-Fiend casting Mediarahan, his AI only checks for his health dropping below half once, or at least that's how it worked in SMTVanilla. What that means is if you manage to seal or charm him at 50% and he tries to cast Mediarahan, he won't try it again. For this run in particular, the charm that procced at 17:17 should have been the Mediarahan he would have cast.
@@Kwame_Baroown you can seal him, I did it in one of my maaany attempts, but.. all of his demons now come with mediarahan - there's no getting around it now sadly
@@sircarlos4882 Do they? I thought it was only Pixie and Parvati, and those two only heal if you leave them around for too long which is why it's recommended to nuke them with extreme prejudice as soon as they hit the field. Got him to skip the heal on my first try. Got lucky with the seal using Naamah, Makajama and a luck build and it stopped him from healing, but there was a way to do it consistently using the Avian magatsuhi skill Accursed Poison because it's a guaranteed seal on Demi-fiend.
There's gotta be a trick. He did not pull his 1 shot move out. That usually wipes my team by turn 3-4. Is there a certain way to battle him to make his AI choice-making go into your favor? Never seen the demi-fiend let a battle drag on so long
Thats because he's codes to use it if you dont kill one of his allies in 6 of his turns. He usually gets 2 attacks a turn so you need to kill one ally effectively every 3 turns
I was foolish enough to challenge him on hard difficulty without maxing out my team, and Nahobino stats, so this fight turn out to be pretty challenging for me, and took many tries to beat him. In the end having him on your team makes things slightly easier. Ps. I run strength based Nahobino build.
@@lulu_TheWitchBoy what the hell are you talking about? Did you not play the original? In Vengeance, Atlus made it to where stats mattered more than your level. So you dont have to grind that hard to do meaningful damage. You saying you needed to be max level proves that.
@@brandonmarsh7557 you’re gonna need be max level to have good stats to fight Demi fiend… majority of people are gonna fight in max level lol. So no idea what ur talking about- especially when grinding stats will take more work than leveling.
@@lulu_TheWitchBoyOriginal SMTV’s level scaling means that level matters more than stat. You can essentially have god stat at lower level but deal no damage to a demon with similar stat but at a higher level
Stongly advise you don't they the switch version Been playing vengeance on my ps5 and I went back to vanilla on my oled just to compare and I felt ill playing the game on switch
@@kingteddieP4 Even with the nerf to Idun, Tao still heals less, the only advantage she had was the dekunda while costs more than the other two Rn the amount AoE heal rank is Mediarama > Matriarch's blessing > Golden Apple > Sakuya Sakura > Light of Order Before, Golden Apple heals more than Mediarama by a decent amount
Demi fiend, in nocturne since the beginning he fought against demons city level destruiction, defeated very powerful demons like Beelzebub, the four horseman of apocalypse, matador...He also defeated metatron who said that is the voice of God, outer level demons like Mot.. Defeated the conception, and Lucifer... Also having abilities like Freikugel, Javelin rain, Xerox beat, etc, and his infamous Gaea rage who is hit kill... Also, he is in Smt Apocalypse and Digital devil saga
Can't wait to try this on Godborn difficulty.
I regret playing in Godborn difficulty.
The voice actors did amazing job
When Demi Fiend said: ......
And when Nahobino said: .....
I got chills
.....
@@brandonhollar2990 Wow I never know both Chell and Gordon voiced these 2!
@@kingplaya6558 ....
I’m curious how vengeances new balance changes affect this fight. Stuff like the idun nerf, demons with powerful passives like beezlebub, combo skills like the Zeus/Demeter one , new strong demons like masakados, and stuff like omnipotent succession+Paraslene Blur…. Probably still gonna come down to adversity and murakumo spam tho
Sorry to bother you, but can you tell me what nerfs did idunn get?
@@yorway i think they lowed her heal to slight
@@Desixxxre...and then gave us Konohana Sakuya.
Damn you Atlus.
@@Desixxxre it's basically still a full heal tbh
@@Desixxxre tbf, I can't say pre-nerf Idun's heal is medium. It's closer to -dyne spell levels in terms of healing amount, even higher than Mediarama. Now it's medium
Oh my god the summon animation for Jack Frost is adorable.
@@General_C Demi fiend should have black frost that forced itself into his party from the labyrinth of amala
Regarding Demi-Fiend casting Mediarahan, his AI only checks for his health dropping below half once, or at least that's how it worked in SMTVanilla. What that means is if you manage to seal or charm him at 50% and he tries to cast Mediarahan, he won't try it again. For this run in particular, the charm that procced at 17:17 should have been the Mediarahan he would have cast.
@@Kwame_Baroown you can seal him, I did it in one of my maaany attempts, but.. all of his demons now come with mediarahan - there's no getting around it now sadly
@@sircarlos4882 Do they? I thought it was only Pixie and Parvati, and those two only heal if you leave them around for too long which is why it's recommended to nuke them with extreme prejudice as soon as they hit the field. Got him to skip the heal on my first try. Got lucky with the seal using Naamah, Makajama and a luck build and it stopped him from healing, but there was a way to do it consistently using the Avian magatsuhi skill Accursed Poison because it's a guaranteed seal on Demi-fiend.
Smt 3 vs smt 5 the ultimate battle
I cheesed this battle with 400+ vitality
@@yanderetales801💀💀💀💀
Demi-fiend vs Demi-god
@@yanderetales801 Respectfully, how in the fuck did you achieve 400 in vitality stats? The game's been out for less than two weeks lmao
@@RaijinsTowergod born lol
There's gotta be a trick. He did not pull his 1 shot move out.
That usually wipes my team by turn 3-4.
Is there a certain way to battle him to make his AI choice-making go into your favor? Never seen the demi-fiend let a battle drag on so long
Thats because he's codes to use it if you dont kill one of his allies in 6 of his turns. He usually gets 2 attacks a turn so you need to kill one ally effectively every 3 turns
I was foolish enough to challenge him on hard difficulty without maxing out my team, and Nahobino stats, so this fight turn out to be pretty challenging for me, and took many tries to beat him. In the end having him on your team makes things slightly easier.
Ps. I run strength based Nahobino build.
15:44 Saving here for researches
How'd you get Ra and did I miss out on getting Yoko due to my alignment? Great video though!
The best part about this fight is when Demi Fiend said its fiending time and fiended all over the screen
😐
Is this fight a little easier now ? Or harder ?
Probably a little easier because level scaling doesn't suck so much but theres a bunch of stuff that was nerfed so it's hard to say
@@brandonmarsh7557how would level scaling make it harder? You need to be max level anyways lmao.
@@lulu_TheWitchBoy what the hell are you talking about? Did you not play the original? In Vengeance, Atlus made it to where stats mattered more than your level. So you dont have to grind that hard to do meaningful damage. You saying you needed to be max level proves that.
@@brandonmarsh7557 you’re gonna need be max level to have good stats to fight Demi fiend… majority of people are gonna fight in max level lol. So no idea what ur talking about- especially when grinding stats will take more work than leveling.
@@lulu_TheWitchBoyOriginal SMTV’s level scaling means that level matters more than stat. You can essentially have god stat at lower level but deal no damage to a demon with similar stat but at a higher level
I wonder if you can bring Demi-Fiend to fight the final boss after you recruit him.
Yes he becomes a guest chara after you beat him
What's your Nahobino build for this?
It needs to be lvl 99 to beat this boss. Crazy.
1:59 Primordial Chaos by Yoko Hiromine (Panagia Form)
looks so fucking good on an oled, I need this game now lol
Stongly advise you don't they the switch version
Been playing vengeance on my ps5 and I went back to vanilla on my oled just to compare and I felt ill playing the game on switch
It's crazy how Panagia Yoko is one of the most op demon available, meanwhile Tao is mediocre at best
They wanted to keep up with law and chaos being opposites
@@keyblade365able One can still be opposites but still useful
@@blastmole299🎉 I mean without dlc Tao is basically just upgraded Idun. Ofc Konohana Sakuya exists now so that role is very useless lol
@@kingteddieP4 Even with the nerf to Idun, Tao still heals less, the only advantage she had was the dekunda while costs more than the other two
Rn the amount AoE heal rank is
Mediarama > Matriarch's blessing > Golden Apple > Sakuya Sakura > Light of Order
Before, Golden Apple heals more than Mediarama by a decent amount
@@blastmole299What’s the nerf to Idun?
Weren't you worried the pixie would heal him near the end?
@@k.u.5798 thank YHVH you can cancel his Mediaharan in this game.
Do a rails location video no one has done one definitely would help specially for the tricky area ones
Can you share your demon builds?
run almost ending at 19:30 is insane btw
Im kinda nee to the series. Can anyone explain why demifiend is special or so strong?
Demi fiend, in nocturne since the beginning he fought against demons city level destruiction, defeated very powerful demons like Beelzebub, the four horseman of apocalypse, matador...He also defeated metatron who said that is the voice of God, outer level demons like Mot..
Defeated the conception, and Lucifer...
Also having abilities like Freikugel, Javelin rain, Xerox beat, etc, and his infamous Gaea rage who is hit kill...
Also, he is in Smt Apocalypse and Digital devil saga
Because He's the protagonist from the previous installment. Ofc he's gonna be special
Defeated Kagutsuchi, who decides if you're worthy enough of sitting on the Throne of God. If you aren't, then he isn't letting you m
In which difficulty were you playing?
How did he get capped so quickly and with every main story demon to boot? Ethier he hasn't slept since since he got it prerelease or it's on easy mode
its on easy/medium
Where can i get the fights for the return of the true demon after the Rider fights? I dont find the next step. In canon of vengeance
If you hit start on the quest in the menu it shows you the next location you need to go to.
after the riders you need to fight mother harlot and trumpeter, you can easily google their locations on the map
Where can I find him?
1:40
Mamudobarion?!
Oh we DEFINITELY needed more instakill spells! -_-
that was always a thing, just like mahamabarion
@@hyperten5906 my last game was SMT 4, so it's new to me XD