Glad to see the review. A couple comments; 1. Read the manual. You cannot tow or even exceed 55mph in the two off road modes. 2. You did not level your trailer OR check the tongue weight! I have that EXACT SETUP on 2020 Limited with the same Atec trailer. The truck tires are rated for the full load capacity and the sway was from your trailer loading, not the tires. I agree 100% on the gearing. I have a 2021 Limited coming this week and I did order the 3.92 rear diff. My 2020 with the trailer loaded with my corvette race car and gear is 8,500 pounds and St Louis to Circuit of the America’s in Texas averages 8.6mpg at 70mph. Great to see you do a trailer/haul review! Well done.
Thanks for the video. Bought my 2020 Ram 1500 Limited. 5.7L E-Totque. 3.92 rear end, air suspension and 20" wheels specifically for towing our new RV. I appreciate your comments as it helped me decide on the wheels and rear end gear ratio. Towing is a dream with it and the air ride suspension.
Pro opinions offered to me for long trip hauls have always said staying at max of 26-27 ft with half-ton regardless of what tow rating is. Long heavy tail wags the light dog, esp with no sway control on hitch.
I have that same truck in black with 3:92 gears. I tow a 6k lbs. trailer everyday for my business. I never use haul/tow mode though. My truck gets 10 mpg with the trailer on the back. Trailer is 16' long by 8.5' wide, 7' tall.
Hey JB, I tow an enclosed ATC Raven 20’ and Viper with my 2020 1500 Limited with 22s and air suspension. I have 3.92, non-eTorque Hemi, and have changed the tires to Toyo AT3s in 285/55R22 LT tires. I use an Equalizer 10K WDH when I tow. Ive done a few 800 mile trips to events and average 8-9mpg running the speed limit all the way up to 80mph in S Texas. I get minimal sway with my setup and only time it’s a concern is when large trucks fly by or it’s a very windy day. Keep up the great videos!
Air suspension is generally not a good setup for environments that get cold. However, there are some upgrades that can be done to the system to make it much more durable in cold weather. But again, cold air is like kryptonite to an air suspension, especially stock, just as heat is to leather-wrapped dashboards. They do wear out though just like normal coil over shocks / struts do and need replacing at some point. 80k to 130k would be a long life for an air suspension. They wear out sooner than normal shocks and are so expensive to repair with OEM parts. Aftermarket parts aren’t too bad, though. But the sway issue - you can upgrade the sway bar to a thicker bar that will help a ton.
I have similar air system in my 2015 JGC overland diesel and love it as it levels me regardless of whatever I tow (always within my limits though 😜. Always getting comments at the campground that i can tow my 25 foot Apex trailer and it doesn’t squat at all, the beauty of diesel gives me 7200 lbs towing capacity with basically a regular size SUV. Love your channel, i have learned a lot from you and used that knowledge recently in buying my new to me Ram 2500 Laramie Cummins. Cheers from Canada
I have the 2020 Rebel with the 392 on air suspension. I just pulled a load today and it was like it wasn't even there. Love this truck. I have been a long time Ford Owner but when I tested the new 2020 F150, I was not impressed and when I tested this Rebel and you compare the interior of these two trucks, there is a hands down winner and it's not a Ford. Ford needs to go back to the drawing board. I am running stock wheels and I don't think I will be changing them, I kind of like the way it looks.
I have a 2018 F-150 FX4 3.5 Ecoboost and I pull a 9,000 pound Camper and it just cannot do it! I am about to purchase a 2017 Ram Rebel 4x4 w/392 ratio!!! I’m assuming the Ram will be better pulling??
I have the same truck and tow a 7,000 lb enclosed trailer nearly every weekend and the truck does just fine. The sway you're getting most likely has to do with the ratio of trailer length to tow vehicle wheelbase.
DO NOT BUY THIS TRUCK I HAVE A 2019 RAM HEMI 1500 IN ONE YEAR I HAD TO REPLACE THREE BATTERIES ONE RADIATOR AND NOW THE OVERHEAD CONSOL STOP WORKING NOW TODAY 08/7/2021 AT 135 PM IT IS BACK IN THE SHOP AGAIN FOR THE BATTERY AND THIS IS A 72,000 DOLLAR RAM LIMITED ABSOLUTE WORST TRUCK EVER DON'T BUY IT.
A couple of things if you're going to test trucks. Set up your trailer the exact same way each time on how you put the weight inside (exact location, exact weight, etc.), when you are measuring the wheel well, mark with a grease pencil where you originally place your tape measure. Also, only test trucks towing with towing packages. Towing trucks without towing packages is not a good comparison. Like this truck and the F150, they are really not a half ton tow truck and you are comparing them with other trucks that do have tow packages. You should re-do your test on this RAM, get another air suspension truck with 3.92 gears and stock tires. The Goodyear 22" tires on those wheels actually do a good tow performance. But those hoodlum tires you show on those wheels are not right. You should also re-do your test on the F150 but make sure it has tow package. I'm only offering this information because I love your videos and you have something special going here. So I think it's good that you are hearing from the customers watching. You only have a few little adjustments and, man, you're right there with TFL.
I have a 2020 ram 1500 crew 6.4 bed with the 392 rear axle non eTorque hemi. I tow my 31 foot TT 37 foot total roughly 10,500 pounds with ease. Been all through the mountains of Pennsylvania and western Md ( little Orleans campground) and absolutely confident in towing.... think your issue with this set up your in today it there's no weight in that trailer and it a whole lot of real estate for the wind to push it around and with no weight its not as stable. Anyways. Love your videos my man. Maybe one day I'll catch up with ya at a campground and you can review my beast lol.
Another way to load that trailer is to have air bags empty, then backup under ball, then lift to highest setting. All you'll have to do is lock and chain it up!
The 2019 RAM 4x4 comes standard with a 3.55 and has options of getting a 3.92. Mine is a Laramie 4x4 with Wildpeak tires and I have no problems at all when it comes to snow! Gas mileage is the only thing that I can see, but fun to drive with all that power (5.7 hemi)! I have coil springs with air overloads on a 4 inch lift. From seeing a lot of RUclips videos, aluminum heads freeze/thaw difference between the heads and cast iron manifolds can break studs and I have often thought about going with some really good sport tuned shorty stainless steel headers to resolve anything like this happening in the future and only adds more horse power regardless!... For long haul towing I would add an intercooler for the transmission to reduce the heat and wear. One of the most odd things that I found out is that the automatic transmission doesn't have any dipstick at all and a mechanic checks the fluid level by pulling the plug and seeing if any fluid drips out (telling him that it is full). I guess they expect us to rely on the idiot light when the fluid gets low!
If you're too light on the tongue/not enough tongue weight your trailer is gonna start to sway or sashay as you get up over 45 or 55. You've got no load in the trailer at all so your tongue weight is pretty minimal. I learned this back in '98 when we took a trip across the US. I had a 5x8 Haulmark trailer packed tight and loaded pretty heavy. I knew that you want to always have a bit more of your weight forward onto the tongue so I kept this in mind as I loaded it... but apparently over did that a bit. I was pretty heavy on my minivan's tail and had to be careful pulling in or out of parking lots or driveways. It towed nice tho. We went from Washington to South Dakota. We spent about 3 months in SD then reloaded to head to northern Indiana. This time when I loaded the trailer I tried to get a better balance trying to lighten the tongue weight a bit. I ended up over compensating. Didn't realize it til we hit the highway. It towed fine up to about 45 mph. As I approached 55 that trailer started to sway from side to side, increasing in severity. I carefully eased off and slowed down. Once below 45 it towed fine again. I tried gradually speeding up again but as I approached 55 again it started to sashay. I was not thrilled with the idea of doing this trip at 45 mph all the way to Indiana. I quickly decided a repacking of the trailer was a must. Pulled into the next rest area, pulled everything out and started over. This time I got it just right... not dragging the back end but not unstable either. It towed so much better. 65 - 75 with no problem. Felt solid and stable... If you have to error one way or the other go with a bit heavy on the tongue rather than light on the tongue/heavy on the rear of trailer.
I have the 2014 1500 Limited, and I tow my enclosed 7x16 trailer all the time. I do have 20” wheels and I don’t usually have the issue of swaying. My only complaint is that Ram has a known issue with the older air suspension, I think the changed it in 2015 or 2016, where my air suspension fails when it gets below 30 degrees and has issues raising and lowering. I try not to use in the winter. I have heard of others having it drop into entry mode and then not being able to raise it. Very expensive fix, and they didn’t do a recall on it. Another comment is that Off Road 2 is only good to about 10 mph, and Off Road 1 up to 45 or 50, then it drops to Normal. I only have the “Aero” mode if I’m driving at 55 mph or more consistently for I think more than a mile. If you slow to under that or stop, it goes back to normal. One last comment, if I’m towing, my truck never goes to 8th gear. Usually stays in 6. My trailer is smaller, so I usually get around 10-11mpg when towing. Great review!
I kind of raced through the comments, and didn't see any mention of the air pressure in the truck tires. I've been towing and hauling with half ton trucks, including my own Ram 1500, for decades. I've done it with LT tires, and P rated tires, and XL rated tires. Usually if you air the tires to near their max, especially for P rated and XL rated, they are much more stable. I've been towing for the last 10 years on P rated tires with no sway. Agree with the comments that you should also be using sway control with a trailer that big.
I have a 2020 Eco-diesel Longhorn. It has the air suspension. I haul a 5,000 lb Jayco no problem. The trailer is about 30' tip to tip. I have the 3:21 rear end. Truck hauls this trailer like a dream. Fuel economy with or without a trailer is extremely impressive. It truly is an amazing truck. One thing I don't really like is the 22 wheels. I have 18" winter Toyo tires and I do prefer the 18" wheels. The 22" look great, but the 18" ride a little more comfortable.
I just bought a 2020 limited with 3:21 rear, what is you procedure in hooking up your trailer, do you have to disable the air suspension first? Do you use a WD hitch?
@@dklswh No I do not disable the air suspension. I sometimes may have to lower or raise the rear of the truck by using the air bags. But that is rare. My trailer hitch is set up so the ball easily aligns with the trailer. Yes I use a WD hitch. If the trailer does not line up with the ball because the bumper is either too high or to low, I go inside the truck and i manually lower or raise the suspension with the airbags. I can get a couple of inches by doing this.
Love your truck. I have the same rear end on my Laramie and sort of regret it at times. Just when I consider a larger piece of equipment on my car hauler. It works fine for my needs because I only tow a couple times a year and wanted better gas mileage. I wish I had the larger fuel tank though. I use a Hensley Hitch with sway control and it works well.
Great video Jb I'm with you on the transgorce tires on the 2500/3500 I have 5100 miles on my 19 in about 2000 is towing When my tires wear out definitely looking to upgrade to something a little beefier on the stock 18 rims
I’m not a Ram owner yet but thinking of making the switch from my 2018 Max Tow 3.5L Ecoboost and love the truck but all the features that I want in these Rams with only 50k miles on it with a 392 axle on 18s for only 40,000 max payload capacity. I’m thinking this might be the ticket if it fits my budget. Has the etorque as well, 5.7 Hemi. Love to know urs or anyone’s thoughts on it. I love my Ford but u just can’t beat the interior of the Rams. But I have a question tho. Should you have been in the off-road mode with the bags? Couldn’t that make it sway more cause the air getting up under it more, cause you were at ur highest setting. When towing close to your capacity it’s always a great idea to use a weight distribution hitch, preferably one that has sway control built in like mine. I would use the dump the bags when hooking the ball only up, put the bags in normal mode, then raise the trailer jack up as high as it could go, put the weight distribution bars on then lower the trailer back down to get the proper distribution weight. More than likely then u wouldn’t have any sway problems.
You need the proper hitch and the proper tires weight equalizing hitch makes all the difference in towing a heavier trailer. Also I toe at 6000 pound RV with a diesel 1500 Laramie and have absolutely no problems going over 10000' mountains. 9 year old truck still works great. With air suspension.
A couple of concerns off road suspension settings go back to normal at 45mph, at that point your trailer wasn't level and the hitch should have been adjusted. Then if you are at max payload was rear tire pressure at 50 psi? Still a good video
So I have a 19 rebel on 33 and tow 6000 lb camper with ez would putting 35 push you his truck to hard well towing? I want 35 but don’t wanna takes 60% of the power away haha
@@JB_WhoWork do you think the new crew cab is big enough that it could kill the megacab line? I love keeping my hitch mount winch behind the seats but man it looks like close competition.
Nice video. Tires probably didn’t help the matter but the real issue is just the size of the trailer compared to the truck. It’s clearly not the weight which we already knew but the length and type of trailer (8.5’ enclosed) that really hurts the 1/2 tons. Of course the 1/2 ton Chevy’s with their factory tires pulled the trailer at full weight with no sway, just sayin 🤣.
Lmao!!!! Very true, I wonder why I didn’t mention the Chevy/max tow in the video... must have been butt hurt 😅. This truck with air, smaller wheel/LT tire, and 3.92’s may outperform the Chevy but we will have to wait to see if this is the case, thanks for sharing bro. 👍🏾
I do like that you took the car out of the trailer though. That will show people that it’s not necessarily the weight that matters (to a point) but the size and type of trailer you are towing. This is especially true for 1/2 tons. A nice open trailer would be a good addition to your fleet when the timing is right for you. That would give a nice basis for your half ton and SUV reviews. Could even throw in some mid sizes to boot.
This was actually your recommendation now that I think about it to take the car out 🙏🏽 Once my channel can support more toys, I will have to do that because it’s a really good idea 👍🏾
Yeah those types of trailers are better suited for half tons and SUVs. Or even a smaller enclosed like one that is I think 6.5’ wide or maybe they are 7’ wide but either way the type of enclosed trailers made for four wheelers and motorcycles are easier to pull for half tons too. But an open trailer with your car on it would be perfectly suited for half tons. Still be around 6000-6500 pounds but wouldn’t be a huge box behind you. I had mentioned taking the car out because I know my trailer pulled my half ton down basically the same loaded or empty. I mean on steep hills I could tell a difference if it was loaded or not but just driving on normal roads at normal speeds there was no difference. And BTW lack of tongue weight is not the problem. If anything excessive tongue weight is but mainly it’s the general size of your trailer. 8.5 wide is wider than a travel trailer and then 28’ long. It’s a big whip behind those half tons.
i have a 2019 limited with the 3.92 and 22wheels. can you give some details on what tire/wheel size you suggest and how does the tire/wheel size affect towing?
The test that I would like to see is the current gen Ram 1500 towing that trailer without air suspension. Majority of the Rams out there don’t have the air suspension. So it would be aimed at more buyers. Plus than we could see the difference in suspension and squat. Unless you’ve done that already I missed it.
Hey Bob, I did do a 5th gen Rebel but looking for a truck without and most don’t have trailer brakes... I will try to do one within a month timeframe 👍🏾
Must have a 3.92 to tow heavy. The 3.21 is geared way to wide for towing this heavy. A little toy trailer would be fine, but this trailer outsizes the Ram considerably. The 4×4 Off Road Pkg w/ trailering pack is a beast. You get the 3.92, stiffer/taller springs, 18s or 20s with far aggressive tires, and other goodies. Ram intentionally keeps the Limited not being the tow king. Which is weird because our Limited 3500s will bring down a house.😂
Hey boss, this is a damn good looking truck. Were you aware tha truck wasnt able tow your trailer. Thats really unfortunate. What are you towing it with?
I have the 2021 Ram 1500 Limited and I was thinking of going with a lighter rv so I could keep my truck but after watching your video sounds like a bad idea since I have the same 3.21 axle. Seems I'll be forced to go with a 2500. Noob questions alert: what is it about the tires that allowed the trailer to sway like that? Great video!
XL (extra load) tires aren’t as robust as an LT tire with a 10 ply rating. Sidewalls are softer therefore they flex more going down the road giving you a better ride at the expensive of towing control.
You know I see all the nice things and all I can think of is spending all my time with the service department dealing with everything failing. Heck with our work trucks alot of things break I couldn't imagine dealing with that truck. I like to keep it as simple as.i can with a modern truck. Plus I get to have a.larger payload. Thanks for your videos. I appreciate them
You made a couple of mistakes in this one. The main thing is that you were supposed to deactivate the Air Suspension and turn it to jack mode. You are supposed to do this when changing a tire and when connecting a trailer, This is because you put it in off road mode and then load the trailer you are working against the weight. This is what you do when working a WDH. Secondly, you didn’t have a WDH which therefore gaurentees sway. I’m curious to know what was the payload on your model however.
Love your videos. Great information. I have a 2019 Chevy high country 2500hd duramax. I love the truck but I want to pull a 5th wheel camper with a 1400 lb pin weight. Can this truck pull it???
Thanks bro, really depends on some factors like if the pin weight is dry, how many people you plan on carrying, and how heavy will your gear be inside the truck. I would venture to say no if you want to stay within the payload 👍🏾
You bro If you had tongue weight like you said the truck wouldn’t sway. It’s lack of tongue weight that is doing that. Also that’s a long trailer for that truck but if you had weight in the front of the trailer it wouldn’t sway. The tires weight rated added to to 10,400 lbs. far exceeds the trucks gvwr. Lack of tongue weight and the length it was made it white knuckle material. Lol
Very true but I’m assuming this trailer still has minimum 800#’s of tongue weight including a few extra stuff up front. The biggest issue is the weak tires and 22’s don’t necessarily help the situation 👍🏾
not sure why you wouldn't feel comfortable, the 392 equipped axle ratio ram has everything else identical other than a gear ratio, it would have towed fine
Great video, but man those RPM’s are really rev’ ing though. Those wheels and tires are sexy but totally agree, not optimal for towing. But what really got me was the way you thanked the guy for letting you over. 👍
I’m not sure because I’ve never needed to regear my trucks. I would check the RAM forums because I’m sure some guys have done it when they run bigger tires 👍🏾
I never understood why axes make such a difference in towing. I went to ram build and price and the 3.55 and 3.92 were $95 dollars. I'm completely puzzled because I want to buy a RAM 1500 and a RAM 2500
Think about the higher gears on a bicycle , when you are in shorter gears, you are limited to the speed you can go but if you change to a higher gear, you can put down more tq which in terms allows you to go faster.
Thanks for the vid JB! You show a chart at the 3:40 mark that details the weight ratings based on configuration. Is that accessible online? I just ordered a RAM and would like to know want it’s going to be rated to haul.
@K.C. Marshall on the half ton, it’s not a huge difference between the 2 if I’m not mistaken. If you compare an HD longbed to an HD shortbed, there’s a big difference in the wheelbase. Tires, properly loaded trailer, WDH, and sway bars will enhance the towing experience on a half ton.
I noticed you had the height of the truck at 41 7/8 and you called it 41 1/2. Lol why not 42 lmao. It's almost 42. Also you said tires were not LT but it showed right in the video the top of the tire says LT. What up with that.
DO NOT BUY THIS TRUCK I HAVE A 2019 RAM HEMI 1500 IN ONE YEAR I HAD TO REPLACE THREE BATTERIES ONE RADIATOR AND NOW THE OVERHEAD CONSOL STOP WORKING NOW TODAY 08/7/2021 AT 135 PM IT IS BACK IN THE SHOP AGAIN FOR THE BATTERY AND THIS IS A 72,000 DOLLAR RAM LIMITED ABSOLUTE WORST TRUCK EVER DON'T BUY IT.
Thanks for the shout out JB , I have 392 and 22's on mine but updated the tires to all weather continental and love them..Thumbs up Brother .
No problem brother, I saw a truck just like yours with Nitto Terra Grapplers and I bet they would have done a better job 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork we have a 20 limited with air 5.7 hemi everything pulled our 12 k travel trailer
Glad to see the review. A couple comments; 1. Read the manual. You cannot tow or even exceed 55mph in the two off road modes. 2. You did not level your trailer OR check the tongue weight!
I have that EXACT SETUP on 2020 Limited with the same Atec trailer. The truck tires are rated for the full load capacity and the sway was from your trailer loading, not the tires. I agree 100% on the gearing. I have a 2021 Limited coming this week and I did order the 3.92 rear diff. My 2020 with the trailer loaded with my corvette race car and gear is 8,500 pounds and St Louis to Circuit of the America’s in Texas averages 8.6mpg at 70mph.
Great to see you do a trailer/haul review! Well done.
What’s your towing capacity with the 3.92 tow package
@@quadcityracing according to RAM it’s 11,000# give or take 200#s.
Thanks for the video. Bought my 2020 Ram 1500 Limited. 5.7L E-Totque. 3.92 rear end, air suspension and 20" wheels specifically for towing our new RV. I appreciate your comments as it helped me decide on the wheels and rear end gear ratio. Towing is a dream with it and the air ride suspension.
That’s awesome bro, congrats!
What is the rated payload and hitch weight of your RAM? Also, whats your rated towing capacity ?
My 2021 1500 Limited is rated for 12,500lbs
Pro opinions offered to me for long trip hauls have always said staying at max of 26-27 ft with half-ton regardless of what tow rating is. Long heavy tail wags the light dog, esp with no sway control on hitch.
I have that same truck in black with 3:92 gears. I tow a 6k lbs. trailer everyday for my business. I never use haul/tow mode though. My truck gets 10 mpg with the trailer on the back. Trailer is 16' long by 8.5' wide, 7' tall.
Hey JB, I tow an enclosed ATC Raven 20’ and Viper with my 2020 1500 Limited with 22s and air suspension. I have 3.92, non-eTorque Hemi, and have changed the tires to Toyo AT3s in 285/55R22 LT tires. I use an Equalizer 10K WDH when I tow. Ive done a few 800 mile trips to events and average 8-9mpg running the speed limit all the way up to 80mph in S Texas. I get minimal sway with my setup and only time it’s a concern is when large trucks fly by or it’s a very windy day.
Keep up the great videos!
Air suspension is generally not a good setup for environments that get cold. However, there are some upgrades that can be done to the system to make it much more durable in cold weather. But again, cold air is like kryptonite to an air suspension, especially stock, just as heat is to leather-wrapped dashboards. They do wear out though just like normal coil over shocks / struts do and need replacing at some point. 80k to 130k would be a long life for an air suspension. They wear out sooner than normal shocks and are so expensive to repair with OEM parts. Aftermarket parts aren’t too bad, though. But the sway issue - you can upgrade the sway bar to a thicker bar that will help a ton.
I have similar air system in my 2015 JGC overland diesel and love it as it levels me regardless of whatever I tow (always within my limits though 😜. Always getting comments at the campground that i can tow my 25 foot Apex trailer and it doesn’t squat at all, the beauty of diesel gives me 7200 lbs towing capacity with basically a regular size SUV. Love your channel, i have learned a lot from you and used that knowledge recently in buying my new to me Ram 2500 Laramie Cummins. Cheers from Canada
I have the 2020 Rebel with the 392 on air suspension. I just pulled a load today and it was like it wasn't even there. Love this truck. I have been a long time Ford Owner but when I tested the new 2020 F150, I was not impressed and when I tested this Rebel and you compare the interior of these two trucks, there is a hands down winner and it's not a Ford. Ford needs to go back to the drawing board. I am running stock wheels and I don't think I will be changing them, I kind of like the way it looks.
I have a 2018 F-150 FX4 3.5 Ecoboost and I pull a 9,000 pound Camper and it just cannot do it! I am about to purchase a 2017 Ram Rebel 4x4 w/392 ratio!!! I’m assuming the Ram will be better pulling??
I have the same truck and tow a 7,000 lb enclosed trailer nearly every weekend and the truck does just fine. The sway you're getting most likely has to do with the ratio of trailer length to tow vehicle wheelbase.
I have a 2020 Limited blackout Ecodiesel. The air suspension is amazing, one of the best features.
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DO NOT BUY THIS TRUCK I HAVE A 2019 RAM HEMI 1500 IN ONE YEAR I HAD TO REPLACE THREE BATTERIES ONE RADIATOR AND NOW THE OVERHEAD CONSOL STOP WORKING NOW TODAY 08/7/2021 AT 135 PM IT IS BACK IN THE SHOP AGAIN FOR THE BATTERY AND THIS IS A 72,000 DOLLAR RAM LIMITED ABSOLUTE WORST TRUCK EVER DON'T BUY IT.
You have any mods to it? I just got one
@@angelsantos350 GDE tuned. That's it.
A couple of things if you're going to test trucks. Set up your trailer the exact same way each time on how you put the weight inside (exact location, exact weight, etc.), when you are measuring the wheel well, mark with a grease pencil where you originally place your tape measure. Also, only test trucks towing with towing packages. Towing trucks without towing packages is not a good comparison. Like this truck and the F150, they are really not a half ton tow truck and you are comparing them with other trucks that do have tow packages. You should re-do your test on this RAM, get another air suspension truck with 3.92 gears and stock tires. The Goodyear 22" tires on those wheels actually do a good tow performance. But those hoodlum tires you show on those wheels are not right. You should also re-do your test on the F150 but make sure it has tow package. I'm only offering this information because I love your videos and you have something special going here. So I think it's good that you are hearing from the customers watching. You only have a few little adjustments and, man, you're right there with TFL.
they are LT tires it showed it in the video, and to check the squat you need to put it in jack mode in settings
I have a 2020 ram 1500 crew 6.4 bed with the 392 rear axle non eTorque hemi. I tow my 31 foot TT 37 foot total roughly 10,500 pounds with ease. Been all through the mountains of Pennsylvania and western Md ( little Orleans campground) and absolutely confident in towing.... think your issue with this set up your in today it there's no weight in that trailer and it a whole lot of real estate for the wind to push it around and with no weight its not as stable. Anyways. Love your videos my man. Maybe one day I'll catch up with ya at a campground and you can review my beast lol.
Thanks for sharing and if you find yourself in Frederick, MD (or surrounding area) be sure to drop a comment and I will try and pop over 👍🏾
I don't think I would have towed your trailer over 55-60 mph brother.
You're braver than I.
Lol, even at about 4500#’s it was still sketchy with those tires 😅
@@JB_WhoWork 👍🤞
@@JB_WhoWork they where not stock tires
Another way to load that trailer is to have air bags empty, then backup under ball, then lift to highest setting. All you'll have to do is lock and chain it up!
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I’m sure someone has already said/noted this, but having “Anti-Sway” Bars would have probably made a HUGE difference, as well 😂👍
The 2019 RAM 4x4 comes standard with a 3.55 and has options of getting a 3.92. Mine is a Laramie 4x4 with Wildpeak tires and I have no problems at all when it comes to snow! Gas mileage is the only thing that I can see, but fun to drive with all that power (5.7 hemi)! I have coil springs with air overloads on a 4 inch lift.
From seeing a lot of RUclips videos, aluminum heads freeze/thaw difference between the heads and cast iron manifolds can break studs and I have often thought about going with some really good sport tuned shorty stainless steel headers to resolve anything like this happening in the future and only adds more horse power regardless!... For long haul towing I would add an intercooler for the transmission to reduce the heat and wear. One of the most odd things that I found out is that the automatic transmission doesn't have any dipstick at all and a mechanic checks the fluid level by pulling the plug and seeing if any fluid drips out (telling him that it is full). I guess they expect us to rely on the idiot light when the fluid gets low!
A weight distribution hitch would serve you better than 10 ply tires. The WDH plus 10 ply tires and you’re Golden even with the 3.21
What WDH do you recommend?
If you're too light on the tongue/not enough tongue weight your trailer is gonna start to sway or sashay as you get up over 45 or 55. You've got no load in the trailer at all so your tongue weight is pretty minimal.
I learned this back in '98 when we took a trip across the US. I had a 5x8 Haulmark trailer packed tight and loaded pretty heavy. I knew that you want to always have a bit more of your weight forward onto the tongue so I kept this in mind as I loaded it... but apparently over did that a bit. I was pretty heavy on my minivan's tail and had to be careful pulling in or out of parking lots or driveways. It towed nice tho. We went from Washington to South Dakota. We spent about 3 months in SD then reloaded to head to northern Indiana. This time when I loaded the trailer I tried to get a better balance trying to lighten the tongue weight a bit. I ended up over compensating. Didn't realize it til we hit the highway. It towed fine up to about 45 mph. As I approached 55 that trailer started to sway from side to side, increasing in severity. I carefully eased off and slowed down. Once below 45 it towed fine again. I tried gradually speeding up again but as I approached 55 again it started to sashay. I was not thrilled with the idea of doing this trip at 45 mph all the way to Indiana. I quickly decided a repacking of the trailer was a must. Pulled into the next rest area, pulled everything out and started over. This time I got it just right... not dragging the back end but not unstable either. It towed so much better. 65 - 75 with no problem. Felt solid and stable... If you have to error one way or the other go with a bit heavy on the tongue rather than light on the tongue/heavy on the rear of trailer.
I have the 2014 1500 Limited, and I tow my enclosed 7x16 trailer all the time. I do have 20” wheels and I don’t usually have the issue of swaying. My only complaint is that Ram has a known issue with the older air suspension, I think the changed it in 2015 or 2016, where my air suspension fails when it gets below 30 degrees and has issues raising and lowering. I try not to use in the winter. I have heard of others having it drop into entry mode and then not being able to raise it. Very expensive fix, and they didn’t do a recall on it. Another comment is that Off Road 2 is only good to about 10 mph, and Off Road 1 up to 45 or 50, then it drops to Normal. I only have the “Aero” mode if I’m driving at 55 mph or more consistently for I think more than a mile. If you slow to under that or stop, it goes back to normal.
One last comment, if I’m towing, my truck never goes to 8th gear. Usually stays in 6. My trailer is smaller, so I usually get around 10-11mpg when towing. Great review!
I kind of raced through the comments, and didn't see any mention of the air pressure in the truck tires. I've been towing and hauling with half ton trucks, including my own Ram 1500, for decades. I've done it with LT tires, and P rated tires, and XL rated tires. Usually if you air the tires to near their max, especially for P rated and XL rated, they are much more stable. I've been towing for the last 10 years on P rated tires with no sway. Agree with the comments that you should also be using sway control with a trailer that big.
I have a 2020 Eco-diesel Longhorn. It has the air suspension. I haul a 5,000 lb Jayco no problem. The trailer is about 30' tip to tip. I have the 3:21 rear end. Truck hauls this trailer like a dream. Fuel economy with or without a trailer is extremely impressive. It truly is an amazing truck. One thing I don't really like is the 22 wheels. I have 18" winter Toyo tires and I do prefer the 18" wheels. The 22" look great, but the 18" ride a little more comfortable.
I just bought a 2020 limited with 3:21 rear, what is you procedure in hooking up your trailer, do you have to disable the air suspension first? Do you use a WD hitch?
@@dklswh No I do not disable the air suspension. I sometimes may have to lower or raise the rear of the truck by using the air bags. But that is rare. My trailer hitch is set up so the ball easily aligns with the trailer. Yes I use a WD hitch. If the trailer does not line up with the ball because the bumper is either too high or to low, I go inside the truck and i manually lower or raise the suspension with the airbags. I can get a couple of inches by doing this.
Love your truck. I have the same rear end on my Laramie and sort of regret it at times. Just when I consider a larger piece of equipment on my car hauler. It works fine for my needs because I only tow a couple times a year and wanted better gas mileage. I wish I had the larger fuel tank though. I use a Hensley Hitch with sway control and it works well.
The Hensley is what I would use. Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
Great video Jb I'm with you on the transgorce tires on the 2500/3500 I have 5100 miles on my 19 in about 2000 is towing When my tires wear out definitely looking to upgrade to something a little beefier on the stock 18 rims
Thanks Matt and I don’t blame you, towing wears those tires out pretty quickly 👍🏾
Rebel has 3.92 and air suspension. That’s how I ordered my 2023 :)
I’m not a Ram owner yet but thinking of making the switch from my 2018 Max Tow 3.5L Ecoboost and love the truck but all the features that I want in these Rams with only 50k miles on it with a 392 axle on 18s for only 40,000 max payload capacity. I’m thinking this might be the ticket if it fits my budget. Has the etorque as well, 5.7 Hemi. Love to know urs or anyone’s thoughts on it. I love my Ford but u just can’t beat the interior of the Rams. But I have a question tho. Should you have been in the off-road mode with the bags? Couldn’t that make it sway more cause the air getting up under it more, cause you were at ur highest setting. When towing close to your capacity it’s always a great idea to use a weight distribution hitch, preferably one that has sway control built in like mine. I would use the dump the bags when hooking the ball only up, put the bags in normal mode, then raise the trailer jack up as high as it could go, put the weight distribution bars on then lower the trailer back down to get the proper distribution weight. More than likely then u wouldn’t have any sway problems.
You need the proper hitch and the proper tires weight equalizing hitch makes all the difference in towing a heavier trailer. Also I toe at 6000 pound RV with a diesel 1500 Laramie and have absolutely no problems going over 10000' mountains. 9 year old truck still works great. With air suspension.
A couple of concerns off road suspension settings go back to normal at 45mph, at that point your trailer wasn't level and the hitch should have been adjusted. Then if you are at max payload was rear tire pressure at 50 psi? Still a good video
Tire pressure was in the mid 40’s I believe, thanks 👍🏾
A trailer that big should have a trailer hitch with sway barstool ! Makes a big difference.
Lesson is never buy a limited to tow with air suspension but a larmie is better
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Why is that? Because of the quad crew cabin?
The limited is good but not for towing tbh
I'm rolling with the 21 granite with night edition eco Laramie, air ride 3.92 FTW 🏆
Hows the truck? Im thinking of that same thing! (if I can find one)
Loving it 840 miles on a 33 gal tank.
560 miles on 33 gal tank towing my 7k boat
Wow!!! Excellent video. I have a GMC, but seriously considering the Ram now
Thank You!
You could get a fourth gen fifteen hundred and that would work just fine. My dad has a stock trim level fourth gen and it is a beast! Awesome vid!
Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
So I have a 19 rebel on 33 and tow 6000 lb camper with ez would putting 35 push you his truck to hard well towing? I want 35 but don’t wanna takes 60% of the power away haha
They really should have put that new 1500 cab on the 2500/3500’s.
Lol, I love this cab too but man I hope they don’t kill the Mega... Long Live the Megacab 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork do you think the new crew cab is big enough that it could kill the megacab line? I love keeping my hitch mount winch behind the seats but man it looks like close competition.
Nice video. Tires probably didn’t help the matter but the real issue is just the size of the trailer compared to the truck. It’s clearly not the weight which we already knew but the length and type of trailer (8.5’ enclosed) that really hurts the 1/2 tons.
Of course the 1/2 ton Chevy’s with their factory tires pulled the trailer at full weight with no sway, just sayin 🤣.
Lmao!!!! Very true, I wonder why I didn’t mention the Chevy/max tow in the video... must have been butt hurt 😅. This truck with air, smaller wheel/LT tire, and 3.92’s may outperform the Chevy but we will have to wait to see if this is the case, thanks for sharing bro. 👍🏾
I do like that you took the car out of the trailer though. That will show people that it’s not necessarily the weight that matters (to a point) but the size and type of trailer you are towing. This is especially true for 1/2 tons.
A nice open trailer would be a good addition to your fleet when the timing is right for you. That would give a nice basis for your half ton and SUV reviews. Could even throw in some mid sizes to boot.
This was actually your recommendation now that I think about it to take the car out 🙏🏽
Once my channel can support more toys, I will have to do that because it’s a really good idea 👍🏾
Yeah those types of trailers are better suited for half tons and SUVs. Or even a smaller enclosed like one that is I think 6.5’ wide or maybe they are 7’ wide but either way the type of enclosed trailers made for four wheelers and motorcycles are easier to pull for half tons too. But an open trailer with your car on it would be perfectly suited for half tons. Still be around 6000-6500 pounds but wouldn’t be a huge box behind you.
I had mentioned taking the car out because I know my trailer pulled my half ton down basically the same loaded or empty. I mean on steep hills I could tell a difference if it was loaded or not but just driving on normal roads at normal speeds there was no difference. And BTW lack of tongue weight is not the problem. If anything excessive tongue weight is but mainly it’s the general size of your trailer. 8.5 wide is wider than a travel trailer and then 28’ long. It’s a big whip behind those half tons.
Swapping the diff from the rebel an the wheels the setup would be a better half-ton for towing!!!???
What do you guys think??
Watched till the end to get the results so that I knew what was being tested. Still don't know what was being tested and what were the results?
i have a 2019 limited with the 3.92 and 22wheels. can you give some details on what tire/wheel size you suggest and how does the tire/wheel size affect towing?
3.21 AND a gasser? You’re right about that being a cruiser and not a tow rig. Sho’ is a pretty truck.
😂😂😂
The test that I would like to see is the current gen Ram 1500 towing that trailer without air suspension. Majority of the Rams out there don’t have the air suspension. So it would be aimed at more buyers. Plus than we could see the difference in suspension and squat. Unless you’ve done that already I missed it.
Hey Bob, I did do a 5th gen Rebel but looking for a truck without and most don’t have trailer brakes... I will try to do one within a month timeframe 👍🏾
Must have a 3.92 to tow heavy. The 3.21 is geared way to wide for towing this heavy. A little toy trailer would be fine, but this trailer outsizes the Ram considerably. The 4×4 Off Road Pkg w/ trailering pack is a beast. You get the 3.92, stiffer/taller springs, 18s or 20s with far aggressive tires, and other goodies. Ram intentionally keeps the Limited not being the tow king. Which is weird because our Limited 3500s will bring down a house.😂
Yes sir, the Limited 3500’s don’t play around 🤘🏾! You hit the nail on the head, perfect setup if you want to tow 👍🏾
Hey boss, this is a damn good looking truck. Were you aware tha truck wasnt able tow your trailer. Thats really unfortunate. What are you towing it with?
Damn truck looks good really nice
Had to sell my truck just like this one but had the 392 gears. Unsafe towing at 9600lbs and 37 ft Rv. Awesome truck but is was maxing out
i think they do offer 392 with the limitd/..
Great video. Very informative. Thanks
So informative, so useful. Thank you so much!!
I had a Rebel with 4 corner air suspension and traded it ASAP because of towing with it.
Really??? How heavy was the trailer and was that with a WDH?
@@JB_WhoWork trailer was about 7K I had WDH, hitch weight was 700 Lbs.
I bought a 2021 Ram 2500 Laramie. Patriot blue night edition.
Thanks, I need to get my hands on one to test it out.. you bought right truck now lol 👍🏾
Awesome job as always! Good looking truck!
Thanks bro 👍🏾
I have the 2021 Ram 1500 Limited and I was thinking of going with a lighter rv so I could keep my truck but after watching your video sounds like a bad idea since I have the same 3.21 axle. Seems I'll be forced to go with a 2500. Noob questions alert: what is it about the tires that allowed the trailer to sway like that? Great video!
XL (extra load) tires aren’t as robust as an LT tire with a 10 ply rating. Sidewalls are softer therefore they flex more going down the road giving you a better ride at the expensive of towing control.
@@JB_WhoWork thank you JB!
your wanting a 1/2 ton to do the work of a 3/4. Different tires would be beneficial as well.......
Does that option come with the diesel , Limited? 3500 dually! As always great video!
The air suspension? Thanks!
You know I see all the nice things and all I can think of is spending all my time with the service department dealing with everything failing.
Heck with our work trucks alot of things break I couldn't imagine dealing with that truck.
I like to keep it as simple as.i can with a modern truck. Plus I get to have a.larger payload.
Thanks for your videos. I appreciate them
Good point, I guess we will have to see what 10 years does to these trucks 👍🏾
You made a couple of mistakes in this one. The main thing is that you were supposed to deactivate the Air Suspension and turn it to jack mode. You are supposed to do this when changing a tire and when connecting a trailer, This is because you put it in off road mode and then load the trailer you are working against the weight. This is what you do when working a WDH. Secondly, you didn’t have a WDH which therefore gaurentees sway. I’m curious to know what was the payload on your model however.
Love your videos. Great information. I have a 2019 Chevy high country 2500hd duramax. I love the truck but I want to pull a 5th wheel camper with a 1400 lb pin weight. Can this truck pull it???
Thanks bro, really depends on some factors like if the pin weight is dry, how many people you plan on carrying, and how heavy will your gear be inside the truck. I would venture to say no if you want to stay within the payload 👍🏾
You bro If you had tongue weight like you said the truck wouldn’t sway. It’s lack of tongue weight that is doing that. Also that’s a long trailer for that truck but if you had weight in the front of the trailer it wouldn’t sway. The tires weight rated added to to 10,400 lbs. far exceeds the trucks gvwr. Lack of tongue weight and the length it was made it white knuckle material. Lol
Very true but I’m assuming this trailer still has minimum 800#’s of tongue weight including a few extra stuff up front. The biggest issue is the weak tires and 22’s don’t necessarily help the situation 👍🏾
What do people expect from a short bed pickup.. it’s a night and day difference having a 6.5 foot box with the longer wheelbase.
The Longhorn has an even nicer interior!
You never did telluride vs Durango and o can’t find a vs on the two any where
Is it safe to tow without the trailer break feature?
Mine did not come with that option.
Wouldn’t be a good idea, I did it a couple times just for a few miles and it was a bad experience 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork can that be installed separately?
What if what I’m towing isn’t incredibly heavy. Maybe 4tons
Bro I can see that swaying in the video! Be careful! Beautiful truck but maybe just throw some mulch or groceries in the back and call it a day.
Sad but true, this is a perfect daily driver but I wouldn’t tow anything above 5000#’s/25ft 👍🏾
not sure why you wouldn't feel comfortable, the 392 equipped axle ratio ram has everything else identical other than a gear ratio, it would have towed fine
Swap em with track shoes and M1 shock absorbers if should be ayt
Hay JB could you do a Vs between a Ram 2500 and 3500 SWR on comfort ride for Family would be on a long haul not towing?
I can do this 👍🏾
4:10 rear axle needs to be on this whip, if not whomp whomp all show and no go, You had me in the intro tho
Lol!
Great video, but man those RPM’s are really rev’ ing though. Those wheels and tires are sexy but totally agree, not optimal for towing.
But what really got me was the way you thanked the guy for letting you over. 👍
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I guess you saw the fear in my eye 🤣🤣🤣
Is there anyways I can change the axle ratio to 3.92?
I also have 3.21 on my 2021
You can regear the truck 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork how much does that normally run?
I’m not sure because I’ve never needed to regear my trucks. I would check the RAM forums because I’m sure some guys have done it when they run bigger tires 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork thank you
How is this trailer called?
I want to buy one
What would you recmond for a replacement for a 321?
You can purchase the truck with a 3.92 rear
@@JB_WhoWork Thanks, keep the shiny side up & the greasy side down.
@@fire58372001 you could have different gears installed if you didn't want to buy a new truck
I never understood why axes make such a difference in towing. I went to ram build and price and the 3.55 and 3.92 were $95 dollars.
I'm completely puzzled because I want to buy a RAM 1500 and a RAM 2500
Think about the higher gears on a bicycle , when you are in shorter gears, you are limited to the speed you can go but if you change to a higher gear, you can put down more tq which in terms allows you to go faster.
@@JB_WhoWork oh ok, gotcha, thanks for the explanation because I was clueless
This is exactly the teuck i have
Thanks for the vid JB! You show a chart at the 3:40 mark that details the weight ratings based on configuration. Is that accessible online? I just ordered a RAM and would like to know want it’s going to be rated to haul.
I figured it out- www.tfltruck.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/2019-ram-hd-towing-chart.pdf
If you had a 3.92 and some weight in that trailer, sway would be diminished dramatically.
I agree plus a better tire!
What about if he had the longer bed/ wheelbase?? Wouldn't that be a different result?
@K.C. Marshall on the half ton, it’s not a huge difference between the 2 if I’m not mistaken. If you compare an HD longbed to an HD shortbed, there’s a big difference in the wheelbase. Tires, properly loaded trailer, WDH, and sway bars will enhance the towing experience on a half ton.
@@JB_WhoWork There's a difference with the payload and towing capacity and capability too. As well as the differently ratioed axles.
what size Rims are those
22”
what kind of MPG Do you get on then 22 with out towing
What Rear axle ratio do you have
Off road mode on a pavement princess, those tires🤦♂️
Lol, now that you mentioned, they should rename it something different for the Limited becasue I would never take this truck off-road 😆
@@JB_WhoWork would literally put it under trailering mode haha
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A trip to the grocery store will go over the payload.
I noticed you had the height of the truck at 41 7/8 and you called it 41 1/2. Lol why not 42 lmao. It's almost 42. Also you said tires were not LT but it showed right in the video the top of the tire says LT. What up with that.
put some 4:10 gears in it...
Dude really 1500? I though that's too light for you
Yea but I wanted to test it with the air suspension. Trailer was under 5000#’s, took out the car
It's a f king 1500, not a 3500 lol
DO NOT BUY THIS TRUCK I HAVE A 2019 RAM HEMI 1500 IN ONE YEAR I HAD TO REPLACE THREE BATTERIES ONE RADIATOR AND NOW THE OVERHEAD CONSOL STOP WORKING NOW TODAY 08/7/2021 AT 135 PM IT IS BACK IN THE SHOP AGAIN FOR THE BATTERY AND THIS IS A 72,000 DOLLAR RAM LIMITED ABSOLUTE WORST TRUCK EVER DON'T BUY IT.
2 years and 45k. Never been to dealer.