I bought the eco diesel with the 3.92 axle ratio. Pulls equal to my 2013 hemi did and gets double the fuel economy almost. (15 compared to 8 mpg). Best truck I've ever owned. 2020 ecodiesel limited.
Knowing at what RPM your motor produces peak Torque goes a long way to improving your economy while towing. The 5.7 V8 doesn't have actually have hemispheric piston heads, they're the same as any other interfere engine.
I own a 2020 1500 Laramie EcoDiesel and the truck is amazing! Great fuel economy and towing power combined. The Laramie package offers a super comfortable ride in the cabin. It is an all-around amazing truck. I was just on this same stretch of I-70 today, not towing anything, but passing cars in the left lane at 75mph with power to spare. Downhill I had cruise control set and it kept my speed within 3mph at all times with no manual braking. Overall from Denver to Frisco and back, 28 mpg! And with the 33 gallon fuel tank I barely used over 1/4 tank. Can't say enough good things about this truck.
I have a 2014 ecodeisel had a few issues with it the first couple years. But it has proven to be a reliable vehicle the last six years. Tows my tractor just fine.
For those curious; I own a 2020 Ram Ecodiesel Longhorn. Has the max trailer package w/ 3.55 axle ratio, 4x4 3.0L Turbo diesel. It feels torquey. Those wondering about the fuel mileage, I pull a 5,800 pound camper with this truck (which has 21k miles and is bone stock). Typically I’m able to maintain around 12-13 mpg @ 65mph. Without a trailer, max mpg I’ve seen (driving from Texas to Illinois) was 32 mpg. Of course, going up steep grades and being at altitude will cause more strain and bring down the mpg significantly. I can’t speak for large grades and altitude however, I haven’t traveled any farther west than New Mexico in this truck yet.
You guys could sell your show to a cable tv channel. “This Old House” meets “Car and Driver”. Great corny humor and you know your numbers. Great job. Can’t wait to get a 2020 Ram thanks to your videos over the last year.
That Ram truck is the benchmark for sure. They are siphoning tons of cash from the other tuck makers and showing them how a well engineered truck should perform. Great show Ram!
Great video. How about you do a comparison between all 3 diesels. MPG, Performance and towing. I'd love to see the results especially against the GM. Thanks.
Yes but please do one 2wd, one 4wd, and one on only 3 wheels. Put a chip in one, unplug the glow plugs of another, and hook a parachute to the last one. Make it random too.
I had the 5.7 in a 2013 Outdoorsman towing a 5k lbs off-road trailer. When asked I would say "The 5.7 Hemi V8 is the best V6 I have ever owned." Traded it for a Cummins 3 years later.
Great video as always guys! I was really surprised by the ecodiesels downhill performance! Looking forward to the 2020 Gold hitch and gold winch awards!
So the only real problem in this video I noticed was the towing time which in turn would be the pickup speed. The squat can be fix very easy if your going to be pulling that kind of weight. The 1/2 mpg shouldn't be such a big deal. What should be in the factor is 0-45 mph for pickup speed and 45-0 mph stopping power. On a incline, decline and level ground because everyone wants to know the safety of the towing capabilities. I think the sound test is pretty cool. I also think if it has 4x4 it should have a roll in there somewhere and not for playing in the mud or off roads.
you like 2" of squat as a blanket policy? I would think you understand things are much more dynamic than that? Every truck? Impressive how quiet the eco diesel is. On a different note I am disappointed to hear the new tundra numbers. I have an 07 with headers, exhaust and 4:30's. About 100k miles. The new ttv6 does not impress me. My wife will get the new tundra or a pro if we can hold out that long. I'm going back to 70's Chevys trucks next. 1300 hp is pretty easy these days for some fun..I have heard 1000 is the new 500 HP.
I really enjoy these videos on this channel, but owning a 2021 Rebel Ecodiesel myself I was really disappointed here. 1) You just can’t do a true towing comparison with drastically different gear ratios as the 3.92 is going to be a huge advantage for towing, 2) you can’t drive a diesel like a gas engine with your foot “on the floor.” The diesel makes peak torque at only 1,600 RPM’s so when you mash the pedal to the floor and rev it up high, you’re trying to tow using horsepower and not torque. I pull a RV trailer weighing in at 9,700 lbs with my Ecodiesel with 3.92 gears and here’s how to get the magic torque out of these little engines. When approaching a grade while towing, make sure you’re in 6th gear and adjust your speed so that your RPM’s are LESS than 2,500. Remember, this engine makes peak torque at 1,600 so you don’t want to move too far away from that range. As you start to climb, it’s ok to let the engine pull down to around 1,900 to 2,200 RPM’s. Once it reaches that sweet spot, it will hold the speed and climb just about anything faster than trying to redline the engine! I just grimaced when he kept a saying his foot was on the floor and I saw the RPM’s were way too high for a diesel. Keep driving gassers if that’s how you’re always going to do it.
SO CLEARLY the ECO-DIESEL DESERVES INCLUSION in EFFICIENCY COMPARISON TESTING between GAS, HYBRID, DIESEL and ELECTRIC HALF-TON PICKUPS... COMPARE THE ECO-DIESEL AGAINST THE LIGHTNING!
I've owned both, but the Ecodiesel tows easier than the hemi. Hemi is a bit quicker, but mpg non towing of the Eco is unreal, over 30 mpg. 3:92's on both.
I would like this as well. I am leaning towards purchasing the Ram Cummins 2500 but would love to see the big hemi as well. Both set up for towing, in 4wd. I will be buying a 3/4 ton regular cab 4wd. Ford and GM are more towards a different clientele than me. It will be a desert, daily driver, weekend pull the camper truck. No leather. Too hot here in the desert.
@Gavin HThank you for this reply. You have pretty much verified my thoughts. I have and old Cherokee that is currently my daily driver, desert explorer, and jack of all trades vehicle. I want to take it apart for some much needed love and attention. Plus I have an old Harley that can be put into limited errand running. My back doesn't allow me to ride much anymore. So the truck wouldn't be the permanent daily driver. As soon as the Cherokee transfer case and axles are rebuilt it will resume it's duties. I think I will just bite the bullet and pick up a Cummins. Thank you and be safe.
I own a 2016 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel. My wife owns a 2018 Ram 2500 6.7L Cummins powered truck. My truck is mellow and smoother riding. Her truck is a total beast!!!! That truck needs a cargo or tow load to drive comfortably! The VGT turbo engine brake is unbeatable. The weakness of my Ecodiesel is how weak the VGT turbo is on hill speed control. I am considering a Hemi powered 1500 for the higher payload and better downhill speed control. A low pressure turbo or belt driven supercharger can resolve the altitude issue.
@@brandontormaschy6977 does your moms 1500 have a 6.4? No 1500 with the 5.7 and 3.6 have had the 8 speed since 2013 the 2500 with the 6.4 had the 6 speed in 2014 and the 2500s just got the 8 speed with the 6.4 in 2019
A little off topic, but this is why i say, if you really want an extremely capable overlander truck, that had range, and you weren't interested in heavy towing at highway speeds, just needed low end grunt and crawl-ability, then go with a PowerWagon having an 8 speed and an Ecodiesel. Why Ram, don't you offer the Wagon with the Eco? The thing would crawl with much less weight on the front end, and would have the torque to do as much or more than the v8 below 40mph where the Wagon spends most it's time anyway and it would do all this with extended mileage range. And then, in a worst case scenario, if you absolutely had to tow something really heavy somewhere, you could still do it, sure a little slower uphill, but you darnsure could, and yes you'd need a couple cheap airbags for increased cargo, but you would then have a truck that could "do it all" Might not win any races, ok it wouldn't win any races, but it would finish ALL em, just, a little slower tortoise and hare style.
On your scoring, there should be a category for value also. It is hard to compare apples to apples when there is a $20k+ price difference between the two vehicles.
I towed around 7000lbs across the same section of road last year with my 2015 Ecodiesel Ram and let me tell you, towing that heavy with a 1/2 ton is stressful. I had a few time where I was pedal to the floor and barely keeping 35mph on some grades going from grand junction to Denver. With my “setup” it sure was blowing some smoke due to lack of o2. And I did much better fuel economy that than they show here. It’s not a race when you tow heavy.
thats good to know fuel economy can be better. My 09 silverado 2500 with the 6.0 and 6 speed trans stays between 7-8 mpg towing. there are times where i have to tow and it wont go past 4th gear. I keep going back and forth between wanting an EcoDiesel vs a Cummins just cause of the fuel economy. i have a car hauler when loaded weighs around 8000 lbs. Dont want to spend the extra money on a bigger truck when im not constantly towing with it if i dont have to.
@@kcbyrd_37 I have a friend with a '21 2500 Cummins and she she gets 19 mpg. If you tow heavy up grades, ecodiesel is not the way to go. If I had a Cummins, I would never trade it for this. I'm in the market for a new truck now and due to the lack of deals on the 2500's I'm going to have to get a 1500 but it'll be a Hemi. I've been using a 2004 F150 5.4 gas and it's rated for 9000 and has towed my horses across the country just fine several times. So a Hemi will work. I'd like to have the extra cushion of the Cummins, but that's just not in the budget right now since there aren't any financing deals and haven't been since March '21. I only wish the Hemi came in a 3.73 axle instead of 3.92. I think it would be a better happy medium between the 3.21 and 3.92 balancing towing and economy.
What's your axle ratio on your ecodiesel? I've been towing a bp horse trailer with a 5.4 v8 2wd and a 3.73 axle and it handles grades just fine loaded. I'm fixing to get the Hemi 3.92 but I had originally wanted the ecodiesel...until I spoke with diesel mechanics and folks that have towed horses with it and said no.
Keep in mind that the Rebel has larger tires then stock. If it hasn't been calibrated then the speedo showing 60mph is going to be higher and the lie o meter is off worse then what it is with stock tires.
Smarter Than You - you haven’t gone camping with our group. We go about 5 miles up a goat trail to a plateau. Our trailers are heavily modified, you can’t get there without a lift on your vehicle, it is absolutely so much fun.
I have a 2019 6.4 2500. I average 16.5 to 17 mpg per tank. On pretty flat ground I get about 18.6 mpg at 75 mph. Towing around 8,000 lbs up mountain grades I am averaging 8mpg
@@AnthonyWilliams-sj6cm Would you say towing 8000 lbs around flat ground would average 10-12mpg? Very very difficult decision for me to make here in the next few weeks, we're picking up a Travel Trailer right after the new year, the model I'm looking at is about 7500lbs, I'm torn between a gas and diesel, my budget is around 50k, I know I can get a 6.4 Hemi Laramie loaded for that give or take a few bucks, or go for a lower Cummins trim, Tradesman maybe big horn It would be a daily driver and my commute is about 3 miles, I'm thinking we'd take the travel trailer out 4-5 times a year, don't really know if a diesel is the smart way to go I've never owned a diesel, just want to make sure I make the right decision...
It's properly sized for that engine. It doesn't have enough redline to use 3.73. If it were a 6 speed though, then a 3.73 will work better. It might gain a couple MPH going up, but downhill braking will suffer. The 3.55 is a proper balance for what that engine produces.
I doubt a lower geared rear-end would help at all. The eight speed is already doing a good job keeping the motor in the peak of its power curve with the 3.55 ratio.
@@acdii FCA offers a lower rear end for the diesels. Why do you think they would do that? My take:. The 3.55 is for MPG's and the optional 3.7x is for towing.
The 3:92 would have gone up the hill better but the fuel mileage might of suffered a little and they don't after a 3:73 in 1/2 tons that only in the 3/4 ton and up
The new ecodiesel is awesome, they made it a proper truck finally. But they discontinued it?! The emissions stuff is so bogus, killing the truck from inside out right from the start to when it finally busts.
Hello, again Andre’ & Mr.Truck! I find the fact the two trucks you are comparing could not be more different than just had or diesel! So I must criticise the validity of the test! To have a completely valid comparison, both truck should be exactly alike in models chosen right down to the differential gears! But I will watch the video anyway to see the outcome! I'm sure the diesel is going to get better mileage, but the Hemi a better time a dynamic performance. One more thing Andre’ that 52 p.s.i. is the OIL pressure! Not the fuel pressure!
Gears. 3.92 Hemi 3.55 Ecodiesel 10% difference in rear end gears. MPG 4.7 Hemi 5.4 Ecodiesel 15% difference Time 7.42 Hemi 8.43 Ecodiesel 12% difference Repeat test with same gears.
Good video. I still maintain that this truck should be rated the same as the Chevy, at 8-9K pounds max tow. There's no way this would feel safe and comfortable towing TWO TONS more than what is shown in the video...
On a 1500 series, with a couple people in the truck and a tank of gas you will very likely exceed your payload before ever reaching the tow rating of the truck if you use a 10% to 15% tongue weight target. I have 4 kids and a dog and check my weights any time the truck scale is closed. A few times I have been a little over GVW on the truck but have never come near the tires rated load.
Same chassis as the hemi, which has been rated to tow over 12k lbs for several years now. I own a 2014 ecodiesel, and it does quite well. I of course have airbags and a tune, as well as an engine oil and intercooler upgrade, so its not the same as stock by any means, but it tows awesome. Never had any concerns.
100% agree if you are pulling more than 9k regularity you should be driving an HD truck purely for safety reason. Look at the size of the brakes between and HD and light truck....that single difference alone should convince any skeptic that thinks pulling 12k with a 1500/150 is ok.
So they keep making a big deal about ram having an 8 speed while gm and ford have 10 speeds but at least ram doesnt give you an old 6 speed in the lower trims like gm. You gotta spend almost 50k to get a ten speed in a chevy.
Since the Hemi was so much faster, if you backed off the throttle slightly to run at the same speed as the diesel, it might have been very close to the diesel on mpg. I would go as far to say that a similar spec, e.g. 2wd work truck would have beaten the diesel for far less money.
Add banks tuner. exhaust, remove dpf an egr if your state allows and you'll have a completely different engine. Better fuel mpg. Itll smoke that hemi all day long.
I'm glad to see the eco diesel did so well. I'm still leery about the way they've set it up internally, my biggest concern is they have the injector pump running off a gear on the passenger side camshaft and I think that's a very bad decision,... time will tell. Great job tfl.
I towed between 6k and 7k lbs 900 miles with my ecodiesel. The oil temp went from 203 to 227 when going 60 or higher and if a bit of a grade in November, so it was not hot. Their oil temp of 253 I would not do to my truck. 420 ftlbs be damned, that 3 liter engine should not pull anywhere close to the rated weight or something is burning up in the engine. I did not want to wear out my engine and I averaged 19 mpg.
Hemi: 10k miles @ 21mpg = 476 gallons of fuel 476 X 2.78 = $1323.28 2020 Ecodiesel: 10k miles @ 32mpg = 312 gallons of fuel 312 X $2.96 = $923.52 $399.76 less every 10k miles. Oil changes are a wash because the recommended interval for diesel oil changes are twice as long. DEF (Diesel Exhaust fluid) lasts 10k miles on the 8 gallon tank. It costs $20 to fill up that tank. Even with DEF, you are still saving $379.76 every 10k miles. I drive 30k+ every year. So, owning an ecodiesel saves me at least $1139 over owning a Hemi each year. Diesel generally last longer as well, so it potentially could save me thousands more during the lifetime of the truck. If you use mid-grade gas in the hemi as recommended, the savings are even higher ($461.64 every 10k miles).
You're not taking into account the cost of the actual Diesel engine. A diesel engine is over $5000 more just in initial purchase price. So that means it'll take you 5 years before you save anything at all. And by that time you'll start to have to do some repairs, which are twice the cost of repairs on the gas truck. And if you look at the exhaust on these, they have issues. The exhaust on them hasn't changed since they started making them in 2014 and I have yet to hear of a person not having issues with oil from exhaust and the EGR. It's unfortunate because I was seriously considering one of these. But after extensive research and talking with diesel mechanics, it's a hard pass for me. Especially given their tow handling. Towing an empty trailer is one thing. Towing a trailer with moving live animals is completely different and from what I've seen, you get thrown all over the place. It may be different with a 3.92 but I haven't seen any reviews on that. And the 3.21 vs 3.92 towing capacity is very different.
@@vannfe11 diesel is 5k more than the v6, not the hemi. It's 2500 more than the hemi. It also lasts longer and if an extended warranty is purchased, which most do on both, repair costs are the same. Emissions components are covered for 100k miles. If you buy used, the costs are about the same regardless of the engine . And there are options to help emissions equipment last longer. 200k miles on my ecodiesel.
People bashing the cost of DEF may have never owned a diesel truck. I owned a 2015 power stroke. I refill it twice or 3 times a year with 10000miles approx. It costs me 40 bucks total.
@TFLTruck would you say that this eco diesel 1500 ram would change you answer to a yes for towing 9000 lbs? This is in relation to the 2019 F150 vs F250 video.
For a 0.7 mpg gain for the diesel at a slower time it is a wash. And not worth the extra $5000 and expensive oil changes and DEF! Hemi- 7.42 minutes 4.7 mpg Ecodiesel- 8.43 minutes 5.4 mpg
I love how everyone is all over gear ratios and estimated calculated fuel figures. The dash MPG is not actually what it’s getting and resetting for a short run like that doesn’t give you an idea of what your gonna get, there is way to many variables to determine a tow MPG rating across all users and conditions. Your only seeing approx fuel consumption in a 8 miles uphill stretch of road at Xmph and X amount of weight. Something y’all don’t consider is Diesel has a much higher BTU per volume but also is an unrestricted type engine, it runs full volumetric efficacy at all rpm and load conditions allowing for more efficacy in all conditions. Side note: a tuned ecodiesel with or without emissions will dominate a hemi all day long. They have a lot of torque management and timing reduction programmed in for EPA restrictions, gas doesn’t have near the restrictions Diesel does. The EPA and government are trying to keep diesel out of the public transportation section to balance fuel consumption rates across the country. Meaning they want the public to stay gasoline to keep a lower strain off Diesel consumption since this country is fueled primarily Diesel, there needs to be a gasoline market to not overload the production of diesel. Diesels aren’t profitable enough in the US for the EPA and government so there putting restrictions on them to offset people wanting to go green with Diesel engines. Sad that profits are more important to the government rather then us actually being able to breath and sustain our environment...
I have an ecodiesel and my buddy that works with me has the rebel. We both drive the same distance to work difference is 1 tank of fuel gets me 600-650 miles....he only gets 400-450
I think it would be very interesting to track oil consumption on vehicles that you purchase TFL. I don't like towing with a gas truck because you really have to twist the ears on the pig. Not a Fiat fan, but I would take a diesel any day towing anything.
Idk guys to save $5k upfront and then use that money for aftermarket parts, lose about 1mpg towing, and have a better sounding, easier and cheaper maintenance program on the v8 I believe that’s the best route to go still for the occasional tow/ weekend warrior rig.
Yep, agreed. The only reason to get the V-6 diesels is for high MPG on the unloaded commute to work...even then, run the numbers of your specific use case to figure out if you'll break even on the extra diesel package cost.
The $5,000 option is the cost over the base V6 Pentastar engine, the Hemi V8 non etorque is $1500 option or Hemi V8 with etorque is a $1700 option so the EcoDiesel is technically a $3500/$3300 option.
I remember when the Eisenhower tunnel did not exist. There use to be so many 18 wheelers that would loose control and crash going over the pass. This was before the high speed truck escape ramps came into existence, single lanes, winding roads, etc. As far as gas mileage is concerned, speed costs...how fast do you want to go???
Watching this again 2 years later. What’s your opinion Andre if/when the ecodiesel has 3.92 gears? I’m an off-roader so even though I’d love to have a rebel or PW I’m leaning toward a fully loaded tradesman as I already have a fully loaded bighorn 4x4 crew cab with a hemi which is great for family road trips. I don’t tow with it and I avg 20 mpg on 33x11 all terrain tires.
Just wondering how much effect the larger/heavier tires had on the Rebel. I have a 2019 Ram 1500 with the Off Road package and 3:92 gears. I leveled it, and put 35X12.50-18 Nitto tires and Method aluminum rims. Instantly dropped 2 MPG, and it feels like a little loss of acceleration and towing power. How about a test comparing stock truck to after lift/level and larger tires; no other modifications like a tuner, etc. Nice video. Love your work.
I have a 2019 ram 1500 5.7 put a 3 half inch lift on it , went from 18 tins to 20 and went from 275 tires to 35x12.5 R20 it was slow like you said but I installed a k&n throttle control module and damn it picks up faster then it being stock but you could replace the throttlebody with a bbk 95mm but idk how much big of a difference would it be
So you have to pay 5k to get the diesel option but yet the hemi out tows it and is only .7mpg difference while towing. I think I would save the 5k and get the hemi
True, but that's 14ish% at less than ideal conditions (near redline for 8 minutes). I like the hemi more but I think there are places where the diesel proves its worth
The $5,000 option is the cost over the base V6 Pentastar engine, the Hemi V8 non etorque is $1500 option or Hemi V8 with etorque is a $1700 option so the EcoDiesel is technically a $3500/$3300 option cost over the V8 Hemi. and .7mpg better efficiency is 275 gallons less fuel used per 10,000 miles driven so 275 gallons x $3 a gallon = $825, or at $4 a gallon = $1100 and again that's only per 10,000 miles driven.
@@charleswelch694 It's not a 0.7 improvement in an apples to apples comparison. The Hemi is a less efficient spec Rebel CC 4x4. That on top of being modified.
Okay so I'm 100% a toyota guy. Seriously considering getting a 1500 ecodiesel. Or should I wait for the next gen tundra? Currently in a 2003 tundra, in colorado struggling at 5000ibs on the ike gauntlet barley maintain 45mph.
How much did the Rebel change from stock to modified going up the Ike? I think this is good info for people wanting to put 35's on the truck, which will hurt braking and acceleration.
Indeed, if the larger tires were not accounted for, the speedo would read slower than the vehicles actual speed, which on this test means the Hemi was working even harder than the diesel as the Hemi was most likely traveling 63 or 64 mph and not the indicated 60...
It’s really hard to beat a HEMI they are great motors. And the 8 speed is matched perfectly to it. When you are bored some time look up the cost to repair a HEMI vs and eco boost or diesel and you’ll be even more happy. Head gasket for example is 2x more to repair on anything boosted because of all the extra labor. People don’t realize anything with a turbo is 2x more labor to work on and a simple V8 has a lot of great reasons to purchase.
I bought the eco diesel with the 3.92 axle ratio. Pulls equal to my 2013 hemi did and gets double the fuel economy almost. (15 compared to 8 mpg). Best truck I've ever owned. 2020 ecodiesel limited.
What kind of mpg does your new truck get when not towing?
@@MrCurt54661 I average around 30.1 mpg. Combined. Driving 70-80 mph on hwy.
8.9L/100km and 115-125 km/h for metric people.
Sold my 2016 Limited in 2019. Wish that I never would have but needed to unfortunately. Best truck ever
Love my 2021 Limited Ecodiesel! So far the best truck I’ve ever had!
@@Turvok Holy Crap are you serious? 30mpg is unreal; I didn’t know the ecodiesels were that good on fuel.
I like seeing the temperatures, we need more of that.
Results
Hemi- 7.42 minutes 4.7 mpg
Ecodiesel- 8.43 minutes 5.4 mpg
I wonder what the mpg of the Hemi would be if the speed up the mountain was as slow as the Ecodiesel.
Knowing at what RPM your motor produces peak Torque goes a long way to improving your economy while towing.
The 5.7 V8 doesn't have actually have hemispheric piston heads, they're the same as any other interfere engine.
@@BigGroupHug You're right, it's a better design shaped more like a canoe instead of a true hemispherical plain like the old heads.
Not worth the extra 5k.. IMO!
@@JPE_DRAEB That's $5k over a 3.6 V6. The hemi is a $1495 option in the same truck so the step increase is $3500.
I own a 2020 1500 Laramie EcoDiesel and the truck is amazing! Great fuel economy and towing power combined. The Laramie package offers a super comfortable ride in the cabin. It is an all-around amazing truck. I was just on this same stretch of I-70 today, not towing anything, but passing cars in the left lane at 75mph with power to spare. Downhill I had cruise control set and it kept my speed within 3mph at all times with no manual braking. Overall from Denver to Frisco and back, 28 mpg! And with the 33 gallon fuel tank I barely used over 1/4 tank. Can't say enough good things about this truck.
I have a 2014 ecodeisel had a few issues with it the first couple years. But it has proven to be a reliable vehicle the last six years.
Tows my tractor just fine.
For those curious;
I own a 2020 Ram Ecodiesel Longhorn.
Has the max trailer package w/ 3.55 axle ratio, 4x4 3.0L Turbo diesel.
It feels torquey. Those wondering about the fuel mileage, I pull a 5,800 pound camper with this truck (which has 21k miles and is bone stock).
Typically I’m able to maintain around 12-13 mpg @ 65mph. Without a trailer, max mpg I’ve seen (driving from Texas to Illinois) was 32 mpg.
Of course, going up steep grades and being at altitude will cause more strain and bring down the mpg significantly. I can’t speak for large grades and altitude however, I haven’t traveled any farther west than New Mexico in this truck yet.
2020
Ecodiesel Ike Time and MPG:
08:43 5.4 mpg
2015
Ecodiesel Ike Time and MPG:
09:03 6.1mpg
You guys could sell your show to a cable tv channel. “This Old House” meets “Car and Driver”. Great corny humor and you know your numbers. Great job. Can’t wait to get a 2020 Ram thanks to your videos over the last year.
I like the fact you can get the Tradesman with a Eco Diesel. Looks like they finally got the Eco Diesel sorted out.
Not anymore only come in rebel packages moving forward
@@adamderoches8723 Sounds like they stole a page out of the GM play book.
Family member of mine has a 22 eco diesel and he loves it. Bad to the bone truck
As always, thanks for the great job TFL. Anxiously awaiting a GM comparison like this. 5.3 gas vs new I6 diesel.
5.3 would get stomped lol, better a 6.2 would compare against the 3.0, both put out 460 lb ft tq. 1500rpm diesel 4100rpm gas both max
I'd be interested to see how the 3.55 ratio compares to the 3.92 with a diesel.
that would be great video same truck only difference is the diff
That Ram truck is the benchmark for sure. They are siphoning tons of cash from the other tuck makers and showing them how a well engineered truck should perform. Great show Ram!
Great video. How about you do a comparison between all 3 diesels. MPG, Performance and towing. I'd love to see the results especially against the GM. Thanks.
I agree. Do a comparison of all three but with similar drivetrains and cab configurations.
I'd like to see how the different factory gear ratios compare as well. That would be quite a few different configurations I guess.
Yes but please do one 2wd, one 4wd, and one on only 3 wheels.
Put a chip in one, unplug the glow plugs of another, and hook a parachute to the last one.
Make it random too.
The GM 3.0 ran 8 minutes flat
Finally! Can't miss any episode of Ike Gauntlet!
I’m really starting to like the Ram Ecodiesel. Looks like a great truck and for a very good price.
I really like these Ecodiesel trucks. I looking to upgrade my 2015 to a new one soon. Thanks for the great videos of real-life testing, You guys rock.
Here in our country where diesel is much more cheap than gasoline, that ecodiesel ram is good truck to buy
Didn’t the diesel up shift at around 11:45 and not downshift? The rpms went down which would indicate an up shift.
Yep. It didn't hold at redline, it upshifted to save itself.
N Pooch yeah they said it downshifted there. If it had downshifted they would have been picking up engine parts off the road. 😂
@@JonBecker81 I think he meant it shifted, he just mispoke.
gpage they were BOTH talking about how it downshifted 😂. I think they just got a little excited.
I came down to the comments to make this point. :-)
Love you guys and your real world reviews, as a Co resident I really appreciate the I70 testing
I had the 5.7 in a 2013 Outdoorsman towing a 5k lbs off-road trailer. When asked I would say "The 5.7 Hemi V8 is the best V6 I have ever owned." Traded it for a Cummins 3 years later.
Great video as always guys! I was really surprised by the ecodiesels downhill performance! Looking forward to the 2020 Gold hitch and gold winch awards!
So the only real problem in this video I noticed was the towing time which in turn would be the pickup speed. The squat can be fix very easy if your going to be pulling that kind of weight. The 1/2 mpg shouldn't be such a big deal. What should be in the factor is 0-45 mph for pickup speed and 45-0 mph stopping power. On a incline, decline and level ground because everyone wants to know the safety of the towing capabilities. I think the sound test is pretty cool. I also think if it has 4x4 it should have a roll in there somewhere and not for playing in the mud or off roads.
I would like to see this test again with the 3.92 gears on the eco diesel. would be interesting how much faster it could potentially be.
I have the same question.
Not mentioning the axle ratios is silly. The V8 maxes out at around 12500 and the diesel maxes at around 9600.
you like 2" of squat as a blanket policy? I would think you understand things are much more dynamic than that? Every truck? Impressive how quiet the eco diesel is.
On a different note I am disappointed to hear the new tundra numbers. I have an 07 with headers, exhaust and 4:30's. About 100k miles. The new ttv6 does not impress me. My wife will get the new tundra or a pro if we can hold out that long. I'm going back to 70's Chevys trucks next. 1300 hp is pretty easy these days for some fun..I have heard 1000 is the new 500 HP.
Yes the ecodiesel out tows the hemi every day and twice on Sunday and passes gas stations while doing so
When Mr.truck heard the comparison between the ram eco diesel and the Ford tiny power stroke the look on the face is priceless
I really enjoy these videos on this channel, but owning a 2021 Rebel Ecodiesel myself I was really disappointed here. 1) You just can’t do a true towing comparison with drastically different gear ratios as the 3.92 is going to be a huge advantage for towing, 2) you can’t drive a diesel like a gas engine with your foot “on the floor.” The diesel makes peak torque at only 1,600 RPM’s so when you mash the pedal to the floor and rev it up high, you’re trying to tow using horsepower and not torque.
I pull a RV trailer weighing in at 9,700 lbs with my Ecodiesel with 3.92 gears and here’s how to get the magic torque out of these little engines. When approaching a grade while towing, make sure you’re in 6th gear and adjust your speed so that your RPM’s are LESS than 2,500. Remember, this engine makes peak torque at 1,600 so you don’t want to move too far away from that range. As you start to climb, it’s ok to let the engine pull down to around 1,900 to 2,200 RPM’s. Once it reaches that sweet spot, it will hold the speed and climb just about anything faster than trying to redline the engine!
I just grimaced when he kept a saying his foot was on the floor and I saw the RPM’s were way too high for a diesel. Keep driving gassers if that’s how you’re always going to do it.
I am so impressed with the Ecodiesel.
SO CLEARLY the ECO-DIESEL DESERVES INCLUSION in EFFICIENCY COMPARISON TESTING between GAS, HYBRID, DIESEL and ELECTRIC HALF-TON PICKUPS... COMPARE THE ECO-DIESEL AGAINST THE LIGHTNING!
I've owned both, but the Ecodiesel tows easier than the hemi. Hemi is a bit quicker, but mpg non towing of the Eco is unreal, over 30 mpg. 3:92's on both.
About dam time the ike is back !!!!!!
Lol, now compare the 2019 2500 with the 6.4hemi vs the Cummins
Also plz get a 6.4 hemi paired with the 4.10. The 3.73 doesn’t compare when towing
6.4L has 8 speed now so the need for 4.10 gears with stock tires isn’t nearly as important as before.
Yes! Can’t wait to see the 8 speed paired with the 6.4.
I would like this as well. I am leaning towards purchasing the Ram Cummins 2500 but would love to see the big hemi as well. Both set up for towing, in 4wd. I will be buying a 3/4 ton regular cab 4wd. Ford and GM are more towards a different clientele than me. It will be a desert, daily driver, weekend pull the camper truck. No leather. Too hot here in the desert.
Jay P I’ve pulled with both axle ratios and the 8 speed, And Believe me. You really notice the difference on hills
@Gavin HThank you for this reply. You have pretty much verified my thoughts. I have and old Cherokee that is currently my daily driver, desert explorer, and jack of all trades vehicle. I want to take it apart for some much needed love and attention. Plus I have an old Harley that can be put into limited errand running. My back doesn't allow me to ride much anymore. So the truck wouldn't be the permanent daily driver. As soon as the Cherokee transfer case and axles are rebuilt it will resume it's duties. I think I will just bite the bullet and pick up a Cummins. Thank you and be safe.
I own a 2016 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel. My wife owns a 2018 Ram 2500 6.7L Cummins powered truck. My truck is mellow and smoother riding. Her truck is a total beast!!!! That truck needs a cargo or tow load to drive comfortably! The VGT turbo engine brake is unbeatable. The weakness of my Ecodiesel is how weak the VGT turbo is on hill speed control. I am considering a Hemi powered 1500 for the higher payload and better downhill speed control. A low pressure turbo or belt driven supercharger can resolve the altitude issue.
Yep the gasser's at 5,000 RPM sounds like it's going to blow up the whole time it's pulling that Hill and the diesels just lugging away no problem
The eco is a very refine diesel, smoother than the hemi at idle imo. But I went hemi because of that sound....it's soooooo goood
Can we please get the new 2500 ram 6.4 8 speed on the mountain
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That 1 not?
Brandon Tormaschy no that’s 2500 6.4 with a 6 speed the 6.4s with the 8 speed just came out for 2019
Wondering how my mom has a 2013 1500 big horn, with the 8 speed then?
@@brandontormaschy6977 does your moms 1500 have a 6.4? No 1500 with the 5.7 and 3.6 have had the 8 speed since 2013 the 2500 with the 6.4 had the 6 speed in 2014 and the 2500s just got the 8 speed with the 6.4 in 2019
A little off topic, but this is why i say, if you really want an extremely capable overlander truck, that had range, and you weren't interested in heavy towing at highway speeds, just needed low end grunt and crawl-ability, then go with a PowerWagon having an 8 speed and an Ecodiesel. Why Ram, don't you offer the Wagon with the Eco? The thing would crawl with much less weight on the front end, and would have the torque to do as much or more than the v8 below 40mph where the Wagon spends most it's time anyway and it would do all this with extended mileage range. And then, in a worst case scenario, if you absolutely had to tow something really heavy somewhere, you could still do it, sure a little slower uphill, but you darnsure could, and yes you'd need a couple cheap airbags for increased cargo, but you would then have a truck that could "do it all" Might not win any races, ok it wouldn't win any races, but it would finish ALL em, just, a little slower tortoise and hare style.
On your scoring, there should be a category for value also. It is hard to compare apples to apples when there is a $20k+ price difference between the two vehicles.
I towed around 7000lbs across the same section of road last year with my 2015 Ecodiesel Ram and let me tell you, towing that heavy with a 1/2 ton is stressful. I had a few time where I was pedal to the floor and barely keeping 35mph on some grades going from grand junction to Denver. With my “setup” it sure was blowing some smoke due to lack of o2. And I did much better fuel economy that than they show here. It’s not a race when you tow heavy.
thats good to know fuel economy can be better. My 09 silverado 2500 with the 6.0 and 6 speed trans stays between 7-8 mpg towing. there are times where i have to tow and it wont go past 4th gear. I keep going back and forth between wanting an EcoDiesel vs a Cummins just cause of the fuel economy. i have a car hauler when loaded weighs around 8000 lbs. Dont want to spend the extra money on a bigger truck when im not constantly towing with it if i dont have to.
@@kcbyrd_37 I have a friend with a '21 2500 Cummins and she she gets 19 mpg. If you tow heavy up grades, ecodiesel is not the way to go. If I had a Cummins, I would never trade it for this. I'm in the market for a new truck now and due to the lack of deals on the 2500's I'm going to have to get a 1500 but it'll be a Hemi. I've been using a 2004 F150 5.4 gas and it's rated for 9000 and has towed my horses across the country just fine several times. So a Hemi will work. I'd like to have the extra cushion of the Cummins, but that's just not in the budget right now since there aren't any financing deals and haven't been since March '21. I only wish the Hemi came in a 3.73 axle instead of 3.92. I think it would be a better happy medium between the 3.21 and 3.92 balancing towing and economy.
What's your axle ratio on your ecodiesel? I've been towing a bp horse trailer with a 5.4 v8 2wd and a 3.73 axle and it handles grades just fine loaded. I'm fixing to get the Hemi 3.92 but I had originally wanted the ecodiesel...until I spoke with diesel mechanics and folks that have towed horses with it and said no.
Looks like I've found my new truck👍 The range on these things blew my mind.
So is this the same preproduction truck that Ram gave you and said "you cant trust the dash readout cause we're still calibrating it"?
Lose the egr and def system, install a mild tune and I bet it will surpass those numbers with ease.
I love how Andre said the MPG was “Much Better in the ecodiesel”... 5.4mpg vs 4.7mpg... that’s only 0.7mpg difference... 😂
Paul Helms that’s a 15 percent improvement
That’s is a lot
Keep in mind this is some of the worst conditions any reasonable human would push a half ton into
Keep in mind that the Rebel has larger tires then stock. If it hasn't been calibrated then the speedo showing 60mph is going to be higher and the lie o meter is off worse then what it is with stock tires.
@@joetz1 It's not a lot considering the Hemi is a 4x4 Rebel and is modified.
Smarter Than You - you haven’t gone camping with our group. We go about 5 miles up a goat trail to a plateau. Our trailers are heavily modified, you can’t get there without a lift on your vehicle, it is absolutely so much fun.
Please test the 2019 ram 2500 4x4 6.4
8 speed. Towing and mpg with out towing!
I have a 2019 6.4 2500. I average 16.5 to 17 mpg per tank. On pretty flat ground I get about 18.6 mpg at 75 mph. Towing around 8,000 lbs up mountain grades I am averaging 8mpg
That’s pretty dang good! Thanks for the info. 👍🏻
@@AnthonyWilliams-sj6cm Would you say towing 8000 lbs around flat ground would average 10-12mpg?
Very very difficult decision for me to make here in the next few weeks, we're picking up a Travel Trailer right after the new year, the model I'm looking at is about 7500lbs, I'm torn between a gas and diesel, my budget is around 50k, I know I can get a 6.4 Hemi Laramie loaded for that give or take a few bucks, or go for a lower Cummins trim, Tradesman maybe big horn
It would be a daily driver and my commute is about 3 miles, I'm thinking we'd take the travel trailer out 4-5 times a year, don't really know if a diesel is the smart way to go
I've never owned a diesel, just want to make sure I make the right decision...
@@AnthonyWilliams-sj6cm same but I only have a 2018 6.4 dually. I wonder if I could have the 8 speed installed in mine
@@AnthonyWilliams-sj6cm What Gear ratio are you running?
I'd like to see how the diesel does with the optional rear end. The 3.55 is not the best for towing.
I think the 3.55 is not too bad when paired with the 8-spd. transmission. With the older 5-spd, the 3.55 was not the best.
It's properly sized for that engine. It doesn't have enough redline to use 3.73. If it were a 6 speed though, then a 3.73 will work better. It might gain a couple MPH going up, but downhill braking will suffer. The 3.55 is a proper balance for what that engine produces.
I doubt a lower geared rear-end would help at all. The eight speed is already doing a good job keeping the motor in the peak of its power curve with the 3.55 ratio.
@@acdii FCA offers a lower rear end for the diesels. Why do you think they would do that? My take:. The 3.55 is for MPG's and the optional 3.7x is for towing.
The 3:92 would have gone up the hill better but the fuel mileage might of suffered a little and they don't after a 3:73 in 1/2 tons that only in the 3/4 ton and up
I drive a ford 6.2. That hemi sounds good going up that hill! It's nice that it let's you give it all! That's what I like about my truck.
The new ecodiesel is awesome, they made it a proper truck finally. But they discontinued it?! The emissions stuff is so bogus, killing the truck from inside out right from the start to when it finally busts.
Awesome video! I agree, it would’ve been nice if the weather had cooperated so the tests could’ve been a little more “apples to apples” comparisons.
Hello, again Andre’ & Mr.Truck! I find the fact the two trucks you are comparing could not be more different than just had or diesel! So I must criticise the validity of the test! To have a completely valid comparison, both truck should be exactly alike in models chosen right down to the differential gears! But I will watch the video anyway to see the outcome! I'm sure the diesel is going to get better mileage, but the Hemi a better time a dynamic performance. One more thing Andre’ that 52 p.s.i. is the OIL pressure! Not the fuel pressure!
Wonder how it would do with the 70hp tune same towing test
Why you testing a 3.55 instead of a 3.92 in a towing test?
Gears.
3.92 Hemi
3.55 Ecodiesel
10% difference in rear end gears.
MPG
4.7 Hemi
5.4 Ecodiesel
15% difference
Time
7.42 Hemi
8.43 Ecodiesel
12% difference
Repeat test with same gears.
Don't forget to add 4x4 and larger tires to the Ecodiesel to match the Rebel.
Great video for a low budget truck not bad
Great review. I'd love to see this new Ecodiesel compared to Kelsey's tuned Ecodiesel. Any chance of getting them together? ;)
Both very nice trucks. Thanks for the review.
You should put the Tradesman 3.55 against a Limited 3.92. Let’s talk “Gold Star” 👍🏼
Good video. I still maintain that this truck should be rated the same as the Chevy, at 8-9K pounds max tow. There's no way this would feel safe and comfortable towing TWO TONS more than what is shown in the video...
On a 1500 series, with a couple people in the truck and a tank of gas you will very likely exceed your payload before ever reaching the tow rating of the truck if you use a 10% to 15% tongue weight target. I have 4 kids and a dog and check my weights any time the truck scale is closed. A few times I have been a little over GVW on the truck but have never come near the tires rated load.
Same chassis as the hemi, which has been rated to tow over 12k lbs for several years now. I own a 2014 ecodiesel, and it does quite well. I of course have airbags and a tune, as well as an engine oil and intercooler upgrade, so its not the same as stock by any means, but it tows awesome. Never had any concerns.
@@GlennPearsonDIY 12K house trailer or flat bed?
100% agree if you are pulling more than 9k regularity you should be driving an HD truck purely for safety reason. Look at the size of the brakes between and HD and light truck....that single difference alone should convince any skeptic that thinks pulling 12k with a 1500/150 is ok.
I would like to see max tow of any car or truck with a hitch like Jeep Wrangler and so on
So they keep making a big deal about ram having an 8 speed while gm and ford have 10 speeds but at least ram doesnt give you an old 6 speed in the lower trims like gm. You gotta spend almost 50k to get a ten speed in a chevy.
Since the Hemi was so much faster, if you backed off the throttle slightly to run at the same speed as the diesel, it might have been very close to the diesel on mpg. I would go as far to say that a similar spec, e.g. 2wd work truck would have beaten the diesel for far less money.
Good point
Add banks tuner. exhaust, remove dpf an egr if your state allows and you'll have a completely different engine. Better fuel mpg. Itll smoke that hemi all day long.
Put an Edge programmer on the EcoDiesel diesel tuning is way more effective than gasoline tuners
Can you confirm the rear in the ecodiesel? I think it is only available with a 3.92 or 3.21
Love watching these towing videos up and down the Ike gauntlet.
What happened with the editing on this video. It was all over the place
Glad you gave the transmission temp. Could we get that info on more tests?
I'm glad to see the eco diesel did so well. I'm still leery about the way they've set it up internally, my biggest concern is they have the injector pump running off a gear on the passenger side camshaft and I think that's a very bad decision,... time will tell. Great job tfl.
It is interesting because the engine is basically half the size of the Hemi still it was marginally slower and the Hemi up the hill
I towed between 6k and 7k lbs 900 miles with my ecodiesel. The oil temp went from 203 to 227 when going 60 or higher and if a bit of a grade in November, so it was not hot.
Their oil temp of 253 I would not do to my truck. 420 ftlbs be damned, that 3 liter engine should not pull anywhere close to the rated weight or something is burning up in the engine. I did not want to wear out my engine and I averaged 19 mpg.
That eco diesel torque didn’t really come through like the Hemi horsepower did & the Hemi didn’t do much worse on mpg ..
3:49 "We're all used to it now" Speak for your self. I still loath it.
When did they say that? I went back to your timestamp and couldn't find it.
I have not heard you guys use that song in years so I had to double check it was a new video.
Hemi: 10k miles @ 21mpg = 476 gallons
of fuel
476 X 2.78 = $1323.28
2020 Ecodiesel:
10k miles @ 32mpg = 312
gallons of fuel
312 X $2.96 = $923.52
$399.76 less every 10k miles. Oil changes are a wash because the recommended interval for diesel oil changes are twice as long. DEF (Diesel Exhaust fluid) lasts 10k miles on the 8 gallon tank. It costs $20 to fill up that tank.
Even with DEF, you are still saving $379.76 every 10k miles. I drive 30k+ every year. So, owning an ecodiesel saves me at least $1139 over owning a Hemi each year. Diesel generally last longer as well, so it potentially could save me thousands more during the lifetime of the truck.
If you use mid-grade gas in the hemi as recommended, the savings are even higher ($461.64 every 10k miles).
You're not taking into account the cost of the actual Diesel engine. A diesel engine is over $5000 more just in initial purchase price. So that means it'll take you 5 years before you save anything at all. And by that time you'll start to have to do some repairs, which are twice the cost of repairs on the gas truck. And if you look at the exhaust on these, they have issues. The exhaust on them hasn't changed since they started making them in 2014 and I have yet to hear of a person not having issues with oil from exhaust and the EGR. It's unfortunate because I was seriously considering one of these. But after extensive research and talking with diesel mechanics, it's a hard pass for me. Especially given their tow handling. Towing an empty trailer is one thing. Towing a trailer with moving live animals is completely different and from what I've seen, you get thrown all over the place. It may be different with a 3.92 but I haven't seen any reviews on that. And the 3.21 vs 3.92 towing capacity is very different.
@@vannfe11 diesel is 5k more than the v6, not the hemi. It's 2500 more than the hemi. It also lasts longer and if an extended warranty is purchased, which most do on both, repair costs are the same.
Emissions components are covered for 100k miles.
If you buy used, the costs are about the same regardless of the engine . And there are options to help emissions equipment last longer. 200k miles on my ecodiesel.
People bashing the cost of DEF may have never owned a diesel truck. I owned a 2015 power stroke. I refill it twice or 3 times a year with 10000miles approx. It costs me 40 bucks total.
You know that Ford and GM are going to bump their numbers within the year. 500 ftlb just around the corner.
Turning on power enrichment would be a start... Adding more/bigger factory cats to prevent 'cat overtemp' would be nice too.
@TFLTruck would you say that this eco diesel 1500 ram would change you answer to a yes for towing 9000 lbs? This is in relation to the 2019 F150 vs F250 video.
We need an E-torque 4xe EcoDiesel! in the 1500, 2500 and 3500!
For a 0.7 mpg gain for the diesel at a slower time it is a wash. And not worth the extra $5000 and expensive oil changes and DEF! Hemi- 7.42 minutes 4.7 mpg
Ecodiesel- 8.43 minutes 5.4 mpg
1 mpg is 20%
I love how everyone is all over gear ratios and estimated calculated fuel figures. The dash MPG is not actually what it’s getting and resetting for a short run like that doesn’t give you an idea of what your gonna get, there is way to many variables to determine a tow MPG rating across all users and conditions. Your only seeing approx fuel consumption in a 8 miles uphill stretch of road at Xmph and X amount of weight. Something y’all don’t consider is Diesel has a much higher BTU per volume but also is an unrestricted type engine, it runs full volumetric efficacy at all rpm and load conditions allowing for more efficacy in all conditions.
Side note: a tuned ecodiesel with or without emissions will dominate a hemi all day long. They have a lot of torque management and timing reduction programmed in for EPA restrictions, gas doesn’t have near the restrictions Diesel does. The EPA and government are trying to keep diesel out of the public transportation section to balance fuel consumption rates across the country. Meaning they want the public to stay gasoline to keep a lower strain off Diesel consumption since this country is fueled primarily Diesel, there needs to be a gasoline market to not overload the production of diesel. Diesels aren’t profitable enough in the US for the EPA and government so there putting restrictions on them to offset people wanting to go green with Diesel engines. Sad that profits are more important to the government rather then us actually being able to breath and sustain our environment...
Couldn't have worded it better myself 👍
love you guys . great trucks
That in no way was a fair comparison from the packages, the drive type, hell even the gearing was different
I have an ecodiesel and my buddy that works with me has the rebel. We both drive the same distance to work difference is 1 tank of fuel gets me 600-650 miles....he only gets 400-450
Thanks again for the great info my friend . 👍👍👍 .
I think it would be very interesting to track oil consumption on vehicles that you purchase TFL. I don't like towing with a gas truck because you really have to twist the ears on the pig. Not a Fiat fan, but I would take a diesel any day towing anything.
How much weight were they towing??
Idk guys to save $5k upfront and then use that money for aftermarket parts, lose about 1mpg towing, and have a better sounding, easier and cheaper maintenance program on the v8 I believe that’s the best route to go still for the occasional tow/ weekend warrior rig.
Yep, agreed. The only reason to get the V-6 diesels is for high MPG on the unloaded commute to work...even then, run the numbers of your specific use case to figure out if you'll break even on the extra diesel package cost.
The $5,000 option is the cost over the base V6 Pentastar engine, the Hemi V8 non etorque is $1500 option or Hemi V8 with etorque is a $1700 option so the EcoDiesel is technically a $3500/$3300 option.
Charles Welch yes I exaggerated but I still can’t justify the expense.
@11:40 the truck upshifted (not down) to save the engine from the high RPMs... An exhaust brake would have helped...
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Tradesman package with DIESEL is they way to go.
That's my conclusion too.
I remember when the Eisenhower tunnel did not exist. There use to be so many 18 wheelers that would loose control and crash going over the pass. This was before the high speed truck escape ramps came into existence, single lanes, winding roads, etc.
As far as gas mileage is concerned, speed costs...how fast do you want to go???
Watching this again 2 years later. What’s your opinion Andre if/when the ecodiesel has 3.92 gears? I’m an off-roader so even though I’d love to have a rebel or PW I’m leaning toward a fully loaded tradesman as I already have a fully loaded bighorn 4x4 crew cab with a hemi which is great for family road trips. I don’t tow with it and I avg 20 mpg on 33x11 all terrain tires.
Just wondering how much effect the larger/heavier tires had on the Rebel. I have a 2019 Ram 1500 with the Off Road package and 3:92 gears. I leveled it, and put 35X12.50-18 Nitto tires and Method aluminum rims. Instantly dropped 2 MPG, and it feels like a little loss of acceleration and towing power. How about a test comparing stock truck to after lift/level and larger tires; no other modifications like a tuner, etc. Nice video. Love your work.
I have a 2019 ram 1500 5.7 put a 3 half inch lift on it , went from 18 tins to 20 and went from 275 tires to 35x12.5 R20 it was slow like you said but I installed a k&n throttle control module and damn it picks up faster then it being stock but you could replace the throttlebody with a bbk 95mm but idk how much big of a difference would it be
when's the mpg loop gonna be released again
So you have to pay 5k to get the diesel option but yet the hemi out tows it and is only .7mpg difference while towing. I think I would save the 5k and get the hemi
True, but that's 14ish% at less than ideal conditions (near redline for 8 minutes). I like the hemi more but I think there are places where the diesel proves its worth
@@lifeshard1686 True, makes you wonder how long that hemi would last under those conditions. If you want to tow just get a 2500.
The $5,000 option is the cost over the base V6 Pentastar engine, the Hemi V8 non etorque is $1500 option or Hemi V8 with etorque is a $1700 option so the EcoDiesel is technically a $3500/$3300 option cost over the V8 Hemi. and .7mpg better efficiency is 275 gallons less fuel used per 10,000 miles driven so 275 gallons x $3 a gallon = $825, or at $4 a gallon = $1100 and again that's only per 10,000 miles driven.
Did you watch the video? The Rebel is modified, has bigger tires them stock. You can't rely on the lieometer.
@@charleswelch694 It's not a 0.7 improvement in an apples to apples comparison. The Hemi is a less efficient spec Rebel CC 4x4. That on top of being modified.
Okay so I'm 100% a toyota guy. Seriously considering getting a 1500 ecodiesel.
Or should I wait for the next gen tundra?
Currently in a 2003 tundra, in colorado struggling at 5000ibs on the ike gauntlet barley maintain 45mph.
How much did the Rebel change from stock to modified going up the Ike? I think this is good info for people wanting to put 35's on the truck, which will hurt braking and acceleration.
I didn't hear what the weight of the trailer was. Did I miss it?
They say the trailer total weight is 8700lbs.
was the speedo calibrated for the larger tires? if not the 60mph on the dash could actually be higher. making a difference in the time and mpgs.
10 bucks says the speedo was not calibrated. My thoughts exactly
Indeed, if the larger tires were not accounted for, the speedo would read slower than the vehicles actual speed, which on this test means the Hemi was working even harder than the diesel as the Hemi was most likely traveling 63 or 64 mph and not the indicated 60...
Makes me glad i got the hemi in my RAM.
You mean Fiat-chrysler, formally known as Dodge....
@@freeravenadventures6925 he never called it a Dodge. unless he updated his post
It’s really hard to beat a HEMI they are great motors. And the 8 speed is matched perfectly to it. When you are bored some time look up the cost to repair a HEMI vs and eco boost or diesel and you’ll be even more happy. Head gasket for example is 2x more to repair on anything boosted because of all the extra labor. People don’t realize anything with a turbo is 2x more labor to work on and a simple V8 has a lot of great reasons to purchase.
I love watching these guys
Would like to see vids on 3.21 vs 3.55 vs 3.92 gas tow ect