Great vid dude! But when you recorded all of this? You still here? Just kidding :) You're right many plants look different and we have some fav variation from some of these plants too. Sometimes we need to work with what we have in hand, but other times we plan ahead and go exactly after the look and feel we remember. This does not mean others are wrong, but maybe one specific variation if preferred for its color, growth or leaf shape. We will launch the video tomorrow with you, my friend. Great tutorial just saw it this afternoon! (Viktor)
Very sharp eye my friend! I think it's interesting to hear small observations from the professionals. Whether it's, plants, tanks, tools, soils ect... It helps the rest of us be more observant in our own aquascaping. Thanks Jurijis!
Very intetesting my friend, I Indeed noticed that all my pinatifida from tropica ended up different even In the same tank. I recently Planted two 1-2-grows of pinatifida in the same tank and they grow completely different, it's fun to watch them evolve... There like frickin pokemon man! Hahaha ;) Cheers mate
Actually pinnatifida from tropica should be all the same variety, since I know the propagate it themselves in the lab 🔬 = always same variety because always same mother stock
Now that was interesting!! Didn't think that way but must confess on google i've seen diferente photos for the same especie in particular for rottala green! Didn't realise that was from different brand! Thanks for sharing!
Great video, and I do the exact same thing and make note of when I see varieties of the same plant species, I have definitely noticed that with Hygrophila pinnatifida as well.
Another example is the limnobium laevigatum from Tropica . The normal plants have plain green leaves but the Tropica strain has red markings. Very beautifull.
You could take cuttings from all the varieties of Rotala and take them to a university's botanical department and they can run a Genome analysis on them.
@@JurijsJutjajevs sadly, small genetic differences take a long time and a lot of work to accurately define, so it wouldn't be quick or cheap. But I'm sure the various tissue culture companies are interested in having diversification of their products.
Great video! I think some of it has to do with where the plant is established which could cause the different variations as you showed the two from the different nurseries. Thank you for the info!
Recently i noticed that my hygrophilla carymbosa simiensis 53b also change their leaves from broad and more rounded now becomes very thin but more attractive looking i am so amaze by the transformation and i wonder why it was happening to some of my planted stem plants.
What is the status of these plant species taxonomically? Is it clean and well researched or messy like corals? We have so many coral species being reorganized as DNA research is completed lately. I wonder if the different plants are REALLY the same species.
Geschmäcker sind zum Glück verschieden, ich finde es sehr passend wie es Viktor (GreenAqua) ausgedrückt hat - man muss hier nicht wertend sein, aber es ist gut zu wissen welche Variante wie wächst um im Einzelfall entscheiden zu können 😉
Funny you say this about Pinafitada. Mine is vibrant green when I wanted it to be more brown. Does it undergo a transformation if mine was grown emersed?
If you want to be sure it's right, you have to put rotala in first aquarium in the second aquarium. If they stay different in the same conditions, you are right.
Keep up the video's we all learn every day in the hobby. This subject come's up from time to time a DNA work up is needed even 2 science based site's say different same plants but clearly photo is unclear to Europe Coming from different sides of the globe I believe mislabelling that 3 to 5 types are of type in apprearance type's are in hobby 1 type is Australian 1 is South Asian 1 South Eastern Asia 1 possible hybrid cross the 3 big Plant companies are in the game of growing hybrids. Collect if possible from source's should be made if some place can get a grant.Also another type that origin unknown that is in North American market that appears slightly different again,(this may also come from Plant trade via tissue culture. Some Aquarium plants can be the same plant but 100,000 years growing in separate waterways can make difference's (many fish share the same that DNA is the same but markings are of visable seperate type)
Amazing!!! 😀 I have the variety, "Hygropila Polysperma" ... My friends in Spain use it a lot, and here in Germany where I live, it is a very popular plant too. It's so strong, that you need to shoot it with a shotgun if you whant to kill her !!! Only the "Egeria Najas" is so resistant, I have never seen or known such resistant plants, in the worst conditions, in low light, without CO2, with algae .... Your plants will die but the Hygropila Polysperma and the Egeria Najas .. They will continue there as if nothing happened! 😂😂😂😂 Great video, Like always 👍 Congrats!!! And remember, and don't forget never.... you are the best 💪 Greetings from Germany
Hi Jurijs, you can be right... Mostly because we are talking about two different nurseries. But are you sure the water parameters are similar? Let me explain why I'm asking. I have only Aquaflora plants in my tanks and I have noticed that a few trimmings from one tank to another the same plant (Rotala green) looks different after adapted. Height of the tank matters, gh matters and mostly light intensity. The one that was narrow is now normal and not doing creeping anymore and the opposite just happened in the other tank. I notice too that when the plant is not so exposed to intense light and more in the shadow, just in the same tank, it's even smaller than the one exposed to intense light... I know that is crazy, but Rotala green is probably one of the most weird plant in what concerns to shape and growth.
I agree with you Filipe, however I think at GreenAqua both aquariums with Rotala green are same height, same light, and same water parameters (more or less) it would be interesting to swap some trimmings and see if they change the growth pattern or keep the specifics
@@JurijsJutjajevs the only way is to ask Green Aqua to mix both rotalas in one tank and check after a normal trimming. Tanks may look similar but I'm sure the water is not and the bottom system is different too.
Greate video....in fact in my experience I have been found some differencies with a plant that comes from my tank and it's planted in another one, the plant start to grow in different way like more rounded leaves...I found that conditions like GH or KH could impact in some species
Plants adopt and change to different parameters. But if 2 plants that are supposed to be the same grow different under same Parameters, now you have different varieties
Some might think it’s environmental, but suppliers obviously have different variants of species and locales that aren’t regarded as separate species. Anyway, the aquarium hobby isn’t known for its accurate classification of organisms. I knew about there being different Rotala ‘Green’. There are also variations in Anubias morphs like Aquaflora Pangolino and Dennerle Pangolino. Needle Leaf ferns have different forms, maybe it’s narrow mixed up with needle leaf. Helianthum Tennelum has different morphs. There are likely others I’ve forgotten.
I find it super interesting and I know some brands select specific varieties because of specific attributes. Others might simply use the first they can get
Very good, Jurijs. By the way, is your name German derivative or are you born in another country. My dad thought our family was originally from Czechoslovakia but we're not sure. All the best.
Think I am going to start observing more closely. Oh, and I have been reading some of the comments. Maybe you should do something about the 'cute factor' mate. You're starting to attract another kind of audience then the one you intended 🤣🤣.
Just too good. Could you also do any videos with easy plants how crazy can we go.. easy plants are affordable.. u also think the plants are goos for gold fish communities?one of my local seller mentioned that, gold fish will eat the plants..
Hi Bro! Kindly advise about glass pipe for inlet outlet, I checked on the net. Since I am in Singapore, here they haven't heard about. Your advise is appropriated.
Always worth it juri to watch your videos george farmer and green aqua wery insitefull and wery gratefull to have you guys filipe and dave chaw adam and wery happy to do this hobby im never tired to learn more juri 😊👌👌
🌺Thank you Jurijs for this video. I did notice when I bought Crypt Wendtii from 2 different stores, they looked slightly different from each other in color & the thickness of the leaves. I just LOVE your t-shirt! It looks like the red colander George Farmer uses when he fills his aquarium tanks. Wondering, is that a George Farmer's t-shirt?🤔
Not as good comparison as in this case, but find that both Weeping moss and Flame moss from Tropicas in vitro pots behave differently than I am used to. Weeping moss from Tropica grows in all directions and Flame moss does not grow in a wave motion, just straigt upwards.
Und ich wundere mich die ganze Zeit, warum meine beiden Hygrophila pinnatifida (im selben AQ) so unterschiedlich sind. Sehr gutes Video, gerne mehr davon. 👍❤
I like this format and appreciate what you shared in the video. I have noticed some differences in Rotala sp Green myself, so it’s cool to know I wasn’t imagining things. 😂
Alternative title: "I have never heard of heterophylly and forgot that wood, rocks and soil etc also are major influences on the water, not just fertilization." I can recommend this article for some people more interested in the matter: "Water-Wisteria as an ideal plant to study heterophylly in higher aquatic plants" by Li et al, Plant Cell Reports 36 (2017).
@@freddiechapman7312 I doubt that they're different variants, because it's an overly complex assumption: It would imply that ALL the plants from each vendor would have a different origin (as we're talking about whole populations, not isolated sports in single stems or so). In case of R. rotundifolia "green" that would mean having the absurd luck of finding another mutant that can't produce non-green pigments and for H. pinnatifida you'd have to collect some new from the wild, which is quite an financial effort when one can just buy some from a competitor. Hence it seems much more reasonable to think it's just environmental factors that are neglected as the influence of environmental factors on leaf shape is well documented and we don't have to make questionable assumptions about the origin of the plants.
@@JurijsJutjajevs I'd think they should grow same same after after two to three months at max. Such a long time because the more mobile nutrients can be accessed by the plants for the longest time, hence it takes long to fully adapt to the changed environment. Keep in mind that nutrients here also includes Mg, K, Cl and SO4 besides the NPK + Micros. But of course former are also exchanged by wood and soil or leeched by rocks and are an often overlooked environmental factor. That said, besides the nutrition side of things there is the very hard to quantify allelopathy side of things, which may also are an influence but I assume these are negligible. A better test would be to grow them both in a tank with just them to eliminate allelopathy influences.
Jurijs where is the Aquarium setup made by Volker Jochum from Dennerle? "EASY PLANTED AQUARIUM SETUP - WITH VOLKER JOCHUM FROM DENNERLE" Hum? He used Rotala Green! can you see how it looks now or has anyone taken that aquarium? I'm curious, let me know ;P
This shop is nuts!!! Must go there one day. And interesting info Jurijs
One of the best I’ve ever seen
Great vid dude! But when you recorded all of this? You still here? Just kidding :)
You're right many plants look different and we have some fav variation from some of these plants too. Sometimes we need to work with what we have in hand, but other times we plan ahead and go exactly after the look and feel we remember. This does not mean others are wrong, but maybe one specific variation if preferred for its color, growth or leaf shape.
We will launch the video tomorrow with you, my friend. Great tutorial just saw it this afternoon! (Viktor)
Cheers buddy, where is my preview? 🤣
Lolll “you still here?” 😂😂😂 He snuck in!
Very sharp eye my friend!
I think it's interesting to hear small observations from the professionals. Whether it's, plants, tanks, tools, soils ect... It helps the rest of us be more observant in our own aquascaping.
Thanks Jurijis!
Thanks Tony, it is often the small things that makes the biggest difference and there are many of them :D
Very intetesting my friend, I Indeed noticed that all my pinatifida from tropica ended up different even In the same tank.
I recently Planted two 1-2-grows of pinatifida in the same tank and they grow completely different, it's fun to watch them evolve... There like frickin pokemon man! Hahaha ;)
Cheers mate
Actually pinnatifida from tropica should be all the same variety, since I know the propagate it themselves in the lab 🔬 = always same variety because always same mother stock
@@JurijsJutjajevs Thanks for your answer, I will keep an eye on them, they are very young tough so it can all change.
Great video as always ;)
Now that was interesting!! Didn't think that way but must confess on google i've seen diferente photos for the same especie in particular for rottala green! Didn't realise that was from different brand! Thanks for sharing!
Great video, and I do the exact same thing and make note of when I see varieties of the same plant species, I have definitely noticed that with Hygrophila pinnatifida as well.
Another example is the limnobium laevigatum from Tropica . The normal plants have plain green leaves but the Tropica strain has red markings. Very beautifull.
Great example!
True, that’s why people like go for searching the variety or new plants ! A real pleasure of aquatic plants hunting
You could take cuttings from all the varieties of Rotala and take them to a university's botanical department and they can run a Genome analysis on them.
Universities do this for free?
Probably not
@@JurijsJutjajevs sadly, small genetic differences take a long time and a lot of work to accurately define, so it wouldn't be quick or cheap. But I'm sure the various tissue culture companies are interested in having diversification of their products.
Awesome video. And shirt. More like this please
Available from mosscotton, link in the description 😉
Great observation. I did notice my Java Fern "trident" looked slightly different after my lfs changed suppliers.
I know for fact that there are several different "trident" varieties out there ;) chances high different brands have different trident
Great video! I think some of it has to do with where the plant is established which could cause the different variations as you showed the two from the different nurseries. Thank you for the info!
Both scapes are well established and run at very similar specs
Recently i noticed that my hygrophilla carymbosa simiensis 53b also change their leaves from broad and more rounded now becomes very thin but more attractive looking i am so amaze by the transformation and i wonder why it was happening to some of my planted stem plants.
You are awesome... Thanks for making video like this... This is very informative :)
Ok, you welcome, happy someone appreciate this new format
What is the status of these plant species taxonomically? Is it clean and well researched or messy like corals? We have so many coral species being reorganized as DNA research is completed lately. I wonder if the different plants are REALLY the same species.
That is a good question, I know a lot of plants and scientifically checked and specifically tropica is very accurate about this
Super inquisitive!
sieht aus als hätte aqua flora die schöneren Spezies im Stock, gefallen mir beide besser als die Tropica Variante
Geschmäcker sind zum Glück verschieden, ich finde es sehr passend wie es Viktor (GreenAqua) ausgedrückt hat - man muss hier nicht wertend sein, aber es ist gut zu wissen welche Variante wie wächst um im Einzelfall entscheiden zu können 😉
@@JurijsJutjajevs ich würde sogar sagen das es bestimmt sehr gut aussieht wenn man beide Rotala Varianten mischt
Interesting 👍
Funny you say this about Pinafitada. Mine is vibrant green when I wanted it to be more brown. Does it undergo a transformation if mine was grown emersed?
Yes, emersed is always green
I have had 2 types of so green. One sharp and carpets, other grows up.
I have an idea! how about doing "the naked chef" but instead it's "the naked aquascaper"…
I was first confused by the word „naked“ but could remember it’s the name of the Jamie Oliver tv show - great idea
Lol no no... not like jamie, more like franco noriega 😘
Спасибо
If you want to be sure it's right, you have to put rotala in first aquarium in the second aquarium. If they stay different in the same conditions, you are right.
haha that's 100 accurate!
Gezeichnet :D
Grüße aus den Niederlanden !
Keep up the video's we all learn every day in the hobby.
This subject come's up from time to time a DNA work up is needed even 2 science based site's say different same plants but clearly photo is unclear to Europe Coming from different sides of the globe I believe mislabelling that 3 to 5 types are of type in apprearance type's are in hobby 1 type is Australian 1 is South Asian 1 South Eastern Asia 1 possible hybrid cross the 3 big Plant companies are in the game of growing hybrids. Collect if possible from source's should be made if some place can get a grant.Also another type that origin unknown that is in North American market that appears slightly different again,(this may also come from Plant trade via tissue culture. Some Aquarium plants can be the same plant but 100,000 years growing in separate waterways can make difference's (many fish share the same that DNA is the same but markings are of visable seperate type)
It could just be which mother plant was used, you see this in garden plants all the time.
Mother plants = Varieties
Amazing!!! 😀
I have the variety, "Hygropila Polysperma" ... My friends in Spain use it a lot, and here in Germany where I live, it is a very popular plant too.
It's so strong, that you need to shoot it with a shotgun if you whant to kill her !!!
Only the "Egeria Najas" is so resistant, I have never seen or known such resistant plants, in the worst conditions, in low light, without CO2, with algae .... Your plants will die but the Hygropila Polysperma and the Egeria Najas .. They will continue there as if nothing happened! 😂😂😂😂
Great video, Like always 👍
Congrats!!!
And remember, and don't forget never.... you are the best 💪
Greetings from Germany
Danke Frank!
Evolution in action.
Can we plant hygrophila pinnatifida on ada substrate???
Plzz let me know...
Hi Jurijs, you can be right... Mostly because we are talking about two different nurseries. But are you sure the water parameters are similar? Let me explain why I'm asking.
I have only Aquaflora plants in my tanks and I have noticed that a few trimmings from one tank to another the same plant (Rotala green) looks different after adapted.
Height of the tank matters, gh matters and mostly light intensity. The one that was narrow is now normal and not doing creeping anymore and the opposite just happened in the other tank.
I notice too that when the plant is not so exposed to intense light and more in the shadow, just in the same tank, it's even smaller than the one exposed to intense light... I know that is crazy, but Rotala green is probably one of the most weird plant in what concerns to shape and growth.
I agree with you Filipe, however I think at GreenAqua both aquariums with Rotala green are same height, same light, and same water parameters (more or less) it would be interesting to swap some trimmings and see if they change the growth pattern or keep the specifics
@@JurijsJutjajevs the only way is to ask Green Aqua to mix both rotalas in one tank and check after a normal trimming.
Tanks may look similar but I'm sure the water is not and the bottom system is different too.
I'm excited to know the result if the plants from different nurseries comes in same tank n would it look similar or take different look
Greate video....in fact in my experience I have been found some differencies with a plant that comes from my tank and it's planted in another one, the plant start to grow in different way like more rounded leaves...I found that conditions like GH or KH could impact in some species
Plants adopt and change to different parameters. But if 2 plants that are supposed to be the same grow different under same Parameters, now you have different varieties
Some might think it’s environmental, but suppliers obviously have different variants of species and locales that aren’t regarded as separate species. Anyway, the aquarium hobby isn’t known for its accurate classification of organisms. I knew about there being different Rotala ‘Green’. There are also variations in Anubias morphs like Aquaflora Pangolino and Dennerle Pangolino. Needle Leaf ferns have different forms, maybe it’s narrow mixed up with needle leaf. Helianthum Tennelum has different morphs. There are likely others I’ve forgotten.
I find it super interesting and I know some brands select specific varieties because of specific attributes. Others might simply use the first they can get
I was watching your video just because you look cute :)
Thank you 😊 I would appreciate if you would also enjoy the content
Of course. Subscribed :)
Same thing with Rotala R. ‘Orange Juice’. A stable mutation of the classic Rotala Rotundifolia.
there are so many Rotala species because of this, same with Crypt wendtii and Bucephalandras
absolute right..... i get same problem and now i buy just from one wholesaler.....
Very good, Jurijs. By the way, is your name German derivative or are you born in another country. My dad thought our family was originally from Czechoslovakia but we're not sure. All the best.
Think I am going to start observing more closely.
Oh, and I have been reading some of the comments. Maybe you should do something about the 'cute factor' mate. You're starting to attract another kind of audience then the one you intended 🤣🤣.
Just too good. Could you also do any videos with easy plants how crazy can we go.. easy plants are affordable.. u also think the plants are goos for gold fish communities?one of my local seller mentioned that, gold fish will eat the plants..
type 1 look like R. "colorata" but green other like typical Rotundifolia without any coloration.
Looking for this video, at last I found my naughty rotala green as a different same characteristic plant.
Evolution in action :D
great tips here
Awesome
Rotala green from Dennerle in all this pictures (the orange one is H'ra)
www.flickr.com/photos/135724897@N03/with/46898484622/
It looks more sharp and long, similar to the one that Filipe has used
Hi Bro! Kindly advise about glass pipe for inlet outlet, I checked on the net. Since I am in Singapore, here they haven't heard about. Your advise is appropriated.
you can use any lily pipes locally available, Singapore you should have great selection
Yes in Singapore tons of collections, unfortunately the one I had seen in your videos cant find. Esp. With Dave Chaow tank.
Very good observation Jurijs!
Very interesting!
Great insight.
Love and respect from India🇮🇳
Always worth it juri to watch your videos george farmer and green aqua wery insitefull and wery gratefull to have you guys filipe and dave chaw adam and wery happy to do this hobby im never tired to learn more juri 😊👌👌
Thank you Raimondo, it means a lot
well, now i know 🙂
Same with one of my fav plant Cryptocoryne lutea 'hobbit' and literally every Anubias species.
Oh yes, 100000000 different crypts and Anubias
🌺Thank you Jurijs for this video. I did notice when I bought Crypt Wendtii from 2 different stores, they looked slightly different from each other in color & the thickness of the leaves. I just LOVE your t-shirt! It looks like the red colander George Farmer uses when he fills his aquarium tanks. Wondering, is that a George Farmer's t-shirt?🤔
Yes it is, check out the mosscotton shop page for this T-shirt
@@JurijsJutjajevs 🌺Thank you for getting back to me, will check it out, mahalo from Hawaii! 🌴
Not as good comparison as in this case, but find that both Weeping moss and Flame moss from Tropicas in vitro pots behave differently than I am used to. Weeping moss from Tropica grows in all directions and Flame moss does not grow in a wave motion, just straigt upwards.
Do you have Same moss from a different brand for comparison?
That's the problem, this is just compared to my experience when buying these mosses from friends or sketchy websites.
Und ich wundere mich die ganze Zeit, warum meine beiden Hygrophila pinnatifida (im selben AQ) so unterschiedlich sind. Sehr gutes Video, gerne mehr davon. 👍❤
Echt? Bitte Bilder davon auf insta oder Facebook
I like this format and appreciate what you shared in the video. I have noticed some differences in Rotala sp Green myself, so it’s cool to know I wasn’t imagining things. 😂
I will share more of this
But the way, are you the zeke_aquariums from instagram?
Jurijs Jutjajevs Aquascaping I’m actually zb_aqua on Instagram. Good guess though!
Alternative title: "I have never heard of heterophylly and forgot that wood, rocks and soil etc also are major influences on the water, not just fertilization."
I can recommend this article for some people more interested in the matter: "Water-Wisteria as an ideal plant to study heterophylly in higher
aquatic plants" by Li et al, Plant Cell Reports 36 (2017).
Elhazar It’s perhaps due to the environment. However there are variations in suppliers variants of plants that they call the same name.
@@freddiechapman7312 I doubt that they're different variants, because it's an overly complex assumption: It would imply that ALL the plants from each vendor would have a different origin (as we're talking about whole populations, not isolated sports in single stems or so). In case of R. rotundifolia "green" that would mean having the absurd luck of finding another mutant that can't produce non-green pigments and for H. pinnatifida you'd have to collect some new from the wild, which is quite an financial effort when one can just buy some from a competitor.
Hence it seems much more reasonable to think it's just environmental factors that are neglected as the influence of environmental factors on leaf shape is well documented and we don't have to make questionable assumptions about the origin of the plants.
According to your theory - if both plants are added to the same tank, will they grow differently or align and look the same?
@@JurijsJutjajevs I'd think they should grow same same after after two to three months at max. Such a long time because the more mobile nutrients can be accessed by the plants for the longest time, hence it takes long to fully adapt to the changed environment. Keep in mind that nutrients here also includes Mg, K, Cl and SO4 besides the NPK + Micros. But of course former are also exchanged by wood and soil or leeched by rocks and are an often overlooked environmental factor. That said, besides the nutrition side of things there is the very hard to quantify allelopathy side of things, which may also are an influence but I assume these are negligible.
A better test would be to grow them both in a tank with just them to eliminate allelopathy influences.
Yeah you'r right! Interesting... :) Maybe the Rotala Green variety 2 is Dennerle?
maybe, we don't know and the GReenAqua guys do no remember it anymore :D
Jurijs where is the Aquarium setup made by Volker Jochum from Dennerle? "EASY PLANTED AQUARIUM SETUP - WITH VOLKER JOCHUM FROM DENNERLE" Hum? He used Rotala Green! can you see how it looks now or has anyone taken that aquarium? I'm curious, let me know ;P
www.greenaqua.hu/en/dennerle-rotala-spec-green.html Look at the photo, very similar to rotala rotundifolia...
I don’t remember seeing this tank .. @greenaqua what happened to it? 🤣
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