This was one of the main reasons why I gave up my Rolls Royce Phantom, a company that has been owned by BMW for 2 decades. You could see how much the parts cost on BMW’s Indy mechanic website, where OEM BMW parts can be bought for wholesale, except anything for a Rolls-Royce. Those have to be bought through a dealer only, and they basically add a zero to every single part as it crosses their counter. That attitude is about the same when it comes to instructions on how to fix them as well. With so few Phantom owners, the vast majority in an income bracket well above mine that couldn’t care less, I just gave up.
This is why we all must fight for that right to repair. If a repair company doesn't have the right to access schematics, or parts or chips and things they need to do a simple repair, then we're all forced into a "throw away" mentality when most of us don't want to have that mindset.
Love this collab. Tesla and Apple's business practices regarding repairing your device are almost identical. I can't count how many times I've had someone come to my shop after Apple quoted them $800, and all I had to do was unplug the battery and plug it back in. We have to educate people about r2r and I'm grateful you're using your platform to spread the word!
Right to repair should be a thing. Though I agree on the manufacture reason for large cost replacement. Replacements are suppose to be super easy which is what Tesla does because the majority of their repairs are from warranty or insurance. Cash repairs are far and few. Apple on the other hand does not want you to repair because the amount of work they put in to making the phone water tight and super small means that they do not want to make them repairable. As far as I know right now Apple phone can not be repaired at all with the latest version. You can not swap parts anymore. I do not know if they found a work around yet or not. Last I heard is that each part is encoded with in said chip and that encoded is recorded with the phone software and if the same chip/part is not there the phone does not work or is drastically reduced. Apple would have to provide parts for old tech for years and years and this is a reason why they fight the right to repair as most people do not have the knowlage to do said repair and stores that offer repairs may or may not know what they are doing. Its a double edge sword. The same applies to Tesla and John Deere Tractors.
Tesla is the Apple of cars. From the hatred of repair, expensive and poorly done first party repair, and right down to the stupid proprietary charger that they absolutely refuse to stop using no matter how many years pass with a standard accepted by the entire rest of the industry.
@@mjc0961 Yeah Tesla only wants Tesla cars to charge on their network. You can buy adapters to charge on other networks be it slow charged or not. Either way you will not see Tesla changing their plug anytime soon. They have a vast network and that network is meant for their stuff only. FFS Apple did this for their charger for decades while android were mostly standard, Long before micro usb was common. barrel plugs and weird other type plugs were used long before smart phones. As far as I know Apple now uses usbc? If so then that is what everyone is using these days.
education is part of it. The bigger problem is the mindset of dissposability. "Something doesn't work? Ah it's cheaper to toss is and buy another". THAT is a public mindset that needs to change.
Living as an expat in Mexico I quickly learned that you can get electronic appliances repaired here. Locals have a passion for being able to reuse something that has gone kaput, and have the imagination and patience to figure out how to do non manufacturer repairs. An eye opener to live with that new reality. More power to you guys bringing informed repairs to the U.S. market instead of the throw away and rebuy mentality.
Not only right to repair, I added ambient lights to my 2014 s85. (No lights were installed, so I installed them, but Tesla will not enable the lights for me. I’ve tried service centers, I’ve tried mobile techs, and even 3rd party repair shops. Tesla won’t help me and the 3rd party guys lack access to enable the feature.)
Now, how big the mail bag would be for a Tesla. Lol, it happens a few thousand dollars on a flatbed right? Sometimes the model of "mail bag" doesn't work for everything.
About Right to Repair: It also needs to be stated and emphasized how much this affects every industry. I did Medical Equipment Repair for the Air Force for 12 years, and we face the exact same problems in every part of our job. Everything from CT/MRI machines (which I've gone to formal training on) down to simple infusion pumps and vital signs monitors. I have seen multiple OR rooms be shut down because of ass hole companies being ass holes. That means surgery cancellations, and limited capacity for emergency response. This is a HUGE deal and only getting worse with time.
It is selfish, corrupt, immoral and Earth-killing CEO's and leaders running these companies doing this crap and selfish, corrupt, immoral legislators and government officials who are allowing it to continue.
@@Jp-be9xx that's exactly why I got my CT training for the Philips Brilliance series to deploy to Bagram in 2013-2014. Hell of an experience. Crazy to think even in the Desert there was still a couple companies that wouldn't give us complete support. We had issues with our Lab Analyzers and we didn't have anyone there with formal training (the guy who was supposed to be trained dropped the ball scheduling the training), so the company wouldn't help us at all. We were SOL until we could get that Army team I forget the name of out there to bail us out if I'm remembering correctly.
Several years ago, when my 2004 Toyota Prius neared the 200K mile marker, the big battery decided to give up. Dealer wanted about $3700 to replace it. I found a guy who rebuilt Prius batteries for $1000....way cheaper. If I remember correctly, the Prius battery has 48 cells, some go bad, some still good. Refurbishing simply means testing each one and replacing the bad ones. I would guess that as EV's proliferate, more independent battery repair options will follow.
It won't happen by itself; we must fight for the right to repair our own vehicles, which includes preserving competition by making sure private shops have access to the tools and technology to do those repairs as well.
I'm glad you are helping Tesla battery customers but be careful when rebuilding battery packs. I was very good at R/C racing 35 years ago and I rebuilt many battery packs. The best way to do it is whenever a cell goes bad you toss it and save the others. If you need a new pack buy it or build it with new cells. When you have enough used cells you charge and discharge them to find their capacity then group them to build new packs. The best 6 used cells in my case became pack #2 and the next 6 cells became pack #3 and the next became pack #4. The new cells were always pack #1. That way you have good cell balance in each pack. You can't replace dying cells with new ones because all the others are old and have less capacity and more internal resistance. A battery pack repaired that way will not perform well because the old cells go dead faster than the new ones and provide less current. Balance is key to good battery pack performance.
@@doomsday9973 absolutely. To fix Tesla batteries properly you replace them. Otherwise you have to go all in and become a battery pack recycling center where you collect old batteries and disassemble charge test and regroup the old cells into useable matched packs at a lower price, and swap them out as they fail. A used battery business. How many cells are in a Tesla pack? If you work like a Chinese factory worker you might make enough to eat!
Louis has a point, actually: - I don't own a car (let alone an eletric one) - I am not american - There's not a single damn super charging station in my country - I don't even have a driving licence even though I am 32 Yet, I still follow Rich because he's an entertaining fella to watch.
Rich, I still have my 2013 85s. Tesla has replaced the drive train , Replaced the battery pac (to a 90) , Replaced the LCD screen , Mother board....I have had to pay for the AC/DC converter ($3800 for a fuse) . Door handles to the next gen. 1 air suspension (2900). Do I keep the car as it's been mostly rebuilt ? And yes Right-to-repair is a must!
How about right to move on from an obvious catastrophe of a vehicle, to a statistically amazingly reliable vehicle like a Toyota Rav4 hybrid or Camry hybrid or new very powerful and fun hipster - the Toyota Prius hybrid with phenomenal MPG. EVs just are not a good investment right now. Poor quality builds, poor warranties, and very poor resale/high depreciation.
"Throw it out and go buy another one" is the guiding principle of corporations like Apple and Tesla. You don't get to be a trillion dollar business like Apple by tolerating customer service.
This is one thing I don't like about both Rich and Louis. They are promoting Tesla and Apple by providing work arounds to the evil that these companies perpetrate. I would like to see people doing business with decent companies and not buying John Deere or Apple products in the first place.
That's not even the tip of that iceberg...... Companies like apple and tesla have several shell (fake) businesses registered. What they do is take the stuff you throw away for like free or extremely cheap and give to their parent companies . English that laptop you true because it had a little HDD issue, has 99.91% parts working absolutely fine. You gave it to to some aftermarket shop or some person on eBay, ultimately it goes to Apple where 99.2% of parts are recovered.
They're both even worse... like propriety connectors, for example. Apple removed the 3.5mm headphone jack - not because it made their phones thinner or better in any way, but to create/force another revenue stream - b/c you basically need to buy wireless headphones, and are pushed towards their $200 easily lost airpod bluetooth headphones that die in 1-3 years (battery dies, not replaceable), which are marginally worse quality than the free wired headphones that came with the phones previously (slightly upgraded speakers/design, but horrible audio compression over bluetooth). Not even going to mention all the Tesla horror stories I've heard, mostly from this channel.
Thanks for this video! My late 2013 Model S died on me last weekend and had it towed to Tesla Service. They said it was the battery and BMS and quoted me $20000. Fortunately, it had less than two months warranty left on the battery and Tesla covered replacement. Had this occurred two months later, I would have been screwed. I am glad you made this video and glad to know that there are repair options to shipping my car somewhere to a third party that can potentially fix it for a lot less.
But Tesla still controls the software feed and has been limiting the top charge to 80% if you go through another company to refurbish the batteries. They will not allow 100% charge if another shop works on it. But the difference in price is huge, Tesla has quoted 22,000 dollars compared with one of the big electronic battery replacement shops charging 7,000 dollars. You be the judge.
@@jeffrymilton1093 The price comparison doesn't make sense especially this video's example. The 22.5k is for a full replacement (all modules). The independent shop only replaced 2 @ 1.5k a piece.. if they replaced every one, it would have probably been close to 22.5k. So not really apples to apples comparison.
After watching your video, I just want to say that Rich and Stevon should release a studio album. Guaranteed top seller. Trust me, I have 130 years of experience in the music industry.
I completely disagree with everything you say here... Tesla is not like any of these other brands it's not like apple it's not like any other brand out there... Tesla will be having full self driving vehicles and by you touching the electronics and batteries and components you could be compromising the entire system and could cause the death of a person unwittingly... When full self driving is initiated they will be ensuring the vehicles themselves think about that for half a second... If you are insuring a vehicle yourself then do you want other people being able to touch your components and work on them absolutely not you're going to only have them worked on by your technicians... You like the fundamental processing power of your brain to understand this... By doing this you keep another vehicle from being electrified... There's a limited supply of batteries the batteries are better served electrifying the system then this other Tesla will be sold at a cheaper rate now it would be sold at a higher rate and now it's out of reach to those at the lower end you're completely destroying the entire cycle and further pushing the win of fossil fuels without even having the processing power to even understand it.
I agree. Right to repair is a HUGE issue for anything we own. I always want to have the ability to repair my own things, or go to an independent shop if it is the best option. That is even more important with cars. I almost never take my car to stealerships for repair, unless I need to address a recall. I have had FAR better experiences with independent shops. I have one local shop that I go to for car repairs. They are much cheaper and they do the job right. I really hope to see more EV garages open and more existing shops start to add EV services to their menu. That won’t happen without right to repair.
It's insane to think that the right to repair is even an issue. When did we own something, only to discover that we never really own it. This is the saddest example of just how neglectful we have become.
@@DrJohnnyJ I hate to break it to you, but _both_ sides of the aisle have utterly failed to correct this issue. I repeat: BOTH. When the Senate is under control of the left NOTHING gets done. Then, when while under the control of the right still NOTHING gets done. In other words, this is not another reason to vote or not vote for any particular side. Rather this is a reason to bring awareness to the masses so WE, THE PEOPLE, can urge BOTH sides of the aisle to get their collective 💩 together and fix this absurdity.
@Poop More I do live in America, where we have a body of laws for _real_ property and a whole other, different body of laws for _personal_ property. This video is about laws concerning the latter. I don't know what it is about the _real_ property ownership that leads you to believe that it is the same as the right to repair, but I assure you that, at best, you are conflating two seemingly similar but not at all related _legal_ matters.
@@DrJohnnyJ do you still not know who Hunter Biden is and all the gas companies he's been paid by? Republicans are guilty as well, but Pelosi had probably made the most profits off of corporations this past year...
Since a truck is for commercial purposes. You can count on it being at least four to five times more. Okay the battery size will be different. So lets base it on price per lb. It will still be at least four to five times more per lb.
Truck Companies would be furious with Monopoly pricing of repair and maintenance by Tesla ... Also, Tesla would destroy availability of because they don't have a network or resources to carry out the work ... Long Term costing of vehicles is essential to buying/operating decisions, so Tesla would probably find their Trucks wouldn't sell !!!
I have an iPhone 7 that wouldn't charge and I took it to Apple, they wanted $400 to fix it. My sister knew a guy that works on cellphones and he fixed it for $10 in about 5 minutes. It just needed to be taken apart and a piece of the charge port needed a little soldering. He said it's an extremely common problem on iPhone 7 and 8.
But of course one must always check reliability of a repair establishment. I had an iPhone screen repair and they fixed the home button too except now it wobbles by a few millimetres.
Same problem 18 years ago with a Mitsubishi projection TV. Blown capacitor on a 3-year-old TV. About $800 for the motherboard plus more for the housecall and labour. That was more than the TV was worth. Found a fella who made the house call, opened up the TV, he cut out the blown component, and he soldered on a new one. Done in less than 10 minutes. Hocus pocus. Part was about $15 and the housecall and labour was $75. Never had problem again and it was only 4 years ago that my wife forced me to get rid of it when we moved house. BTW, still used an iPhone 3s until 18 months ago. Though the battery would deplete quickly, it still functioned fine for voice and text. But couldn't update IOS and the apps wouldn't update. Finally had to pitch it when more and more websites couldn't be accessed.
@@scootergrant8683 As someone who repairs phones, I can tell you this isn't necessarily the repair shops fault. I disagree with the practice of using less than ideal parts, especially when you're paying for a quality repair. But if you can only get one brand of screen and it happens to have poor home button hole tolerances, then what options do you have? Ofc, that's one reason we push for right to repair. That said, my personal opinion is we give the consumer a choice. Cheaper screen with a possible different feeling home button, or a higher quality screen with a perfect home button fit. Your choice where applicable. But to be fair to that shop, it doesn't necessarily mean the repair is bad. Even if I disagree and throw out screens with similar issues rather than selling them on customer devices.
There are simple fixes the brand dealers lie about. There are other, more complicated issues with parts and repair that justify paying a dealer. This Apple dealer was exploiting a known failure for unjust financial gain.
We could talk about Apple all day for all the stupid shit they do and get away with.. iphone 5 and 6 I think it was, the ones with so called lightning charge connectors had a design flaw where dust would stack up deep in the port to the point where the cable was just not making contact at all and therefore stop charging. It was an open secret at apple stores and they got thousands of "dead" phones traded in that they could fix in 2 minutes and sell back 'refurbished' for 500$+
Whenever I hear "right-to-repair" the very first thing I think of is all those farmer's with their John Deere tractors that are fighting the same thing apparently Tesla owners are having to do. Farmers vs. John Deere Inc have been going at this for many years now...
I've had customers argue with me after repairs when they see the parts/ labor breakdown and if the parts are cheap that it's ridiculous to charge so and so labor. As if one has a bearing on the other. It could be something like an inexpensive seal that needs to be changed, but take hours to perform.
@@kft4764 The knowledge of how to fix something isn't free either, I know how to fix most stuff but when I'm lost or don't have the tools it's easier to pay an expert to do a couple hours of work rather than eff it up myself.
Folks, I don't know if you remember, but Nokia was a great company when it comes to right to repair. Every single part of any of their phones was replaceable and everything was affordable. Loved them!
@@yungboicontigo9278 I still own some models myself and I've restored a couple of them. Parts availability is amazing even nowadays and they're easy to fix.
My '13 Model S battery had to be replaced by a refurbished unit a few months ago. Total cost was $12700....not to bad for a first generation build. Though this was a hit in the wallet, the car with 148k still looks and drives just like new.
Where did you get the refurb battery replacement done? My 2013 Model S P85 just started restricting charge to 30% and Tesla wants $22,500 for a replacement battery...Ughhhh!
@@falconator0109 The refurb battery was ordered and installed by Tesla Service and comes with a warranty (I forget for how long/miles). Took a month to arrive back March '22. New battery from Tesla is $22k. Refurb is $12k. I read there are different revs of the refurb. I read Rev C is the latest, but I got Rev B. I won't complain. Fully charged, the refurb gets 237 miles; my old one went to 245-ish miles. I have a P85+. All my battery/charging issues for the past several months went away after getting the refurb installed.
@@speakerboy5146 Thanks so much for the information! They didn't offer me a refurb (WTH ???) so I will go back to local Tesla shop in Atlanta area and ask if they offer one.
What some of these trusted repair shops do, is "technically" illegal in California thanks to anti right to repair shit. Loop holes in the laws help this along. Nobody can be "trained" to work on a tesla as per ASE... thnaks to tesla, so no small repair shop Technically complies with California laws (as per working on tesla is concerned, there is legal ase certs for other vehicles..)
I used to be terrified of repairing stuff myself. Thanks to people on RUclips, I'm now taking computers, phones and cars apart (OK, not at a high level) and fixing stuff myself. And you can pass it forward. A (1-hour) video I made on replacing a phone battery has been seen by over 3,000 people. Not big in your world, but if I've helped 3,000 people and they help more people, it will help a lot more people. You're not only a storyteller, you're a teacher and boy does the world need good teachers.....
Rich's videos are probably the most powerful thing keeping me from ever buying a Tesla. I do all of my own repairs. Everything but bodywork and paint. If I can't get the parts or tools, I won't be interested in a Tesla. Hopefully Rich's and others' efforts on right-to-repair will change this.
@@larryscarr3897 Musk is a con? He's resupplied the space station at a fraction of the cost of existing launch systems. He's freed us from dependence on Russian rocket engines. He's put out 3M EVs with the highest customer satisfaction of any brand according to Consumer Reports. And Tesla made EVs cool and opened up the market for other OEMs to join. For a "con", Elon's companies really deliver.
@@msharp6887 I mean if the Tesla battery replacement out of warranty costs 22k, I might as well lease an EV and get rid of it after 2-3 years? That’s why I think right to repair will have you see more people in these cars. People can’t absorb the acute hit to their bank accounts. I get the environmental costs but if the public can’t do simple repairs on their cars or have a cheaper option to replace major components, why keep it? $22k for a battery replacement? Geez.
I became a subscriber several years ago with your flooded Tesla Model S build. I just purchased a new Tesla Model 3 performance. So after my warranty is expired! You will get my business! Thank you for your enlightenment on after warranty repairs!!!!
Can’t put into words how happy I was to see you and Louis Side by Side in a chat. I’ve been wanting to see you guys collaborate for a year or two now. Perfect!
The work you all have done to bypass the sloppy engineering of Tesla is god tier. I’m only a mechanical engineer so electrics is out of my wheelhouse but it’s obvious you all are highly knowledgeable and experienced. Much respect y’all.
i don't think you need to be an electrical engineer to know the basic electric stuff. i am a mechanical engineer too and understood everything in the video. i repair my electronics myself. All you need to have is an aptitude to learn and not live in the bubble of " oh i am a mechanical engineer, thats out of my scope"
One of the most excellent, relevant, informative, and interesting vid's I've seen in a long time. Had no idea that Tesla's can lose a few modules and yet the car, and Tesla, advise to replace the entire battery pack. Wow. Related: your garage has an incredible future. If I was an investor, I'd be asking to get onboard now- you guys are going to be huge.
Right to repair is crucial, all types of products are being made with planned obsolescence & un-repairable which is not even sustainable. They could build cars that last for decades if profitability & sales didn't play a role
@@markmckinley5989 not at all. the only thing we want is the release of schematics and parts. neither if these things need to be free, they just need to be available, something that is not the case now.
@@Carterthielftw_ Lots of that stuff is available from third parties who have made the investment to reverse engineer. The shops of both of these guys show it can be done. If the open source type idea is so good why is no company doing it? I understand the frustration. I fixed consumer electronics for many years.
@@markmckinley5989 the investment to reverse engineer stuff is exactly the point here. It’s so bad that in order to find a way to fix things you have to invest time and money to try to reverse engineer some stupid product, but all that would not have to be done if manufacturers were required to sell spare parts and make schematics accessible.
I was so hesitant to purchase a Tesla for the longest time, because I was always worried about being able to get it fixed after the warranty ends. When I noticed you guys were in the New England area, I started dancing in the middle of Dunkin
It’s an 8 year warranty...what exactly was your concern?? PS it’s only a year later, have you noticed how Tesla’s service centers have proliferated? And they come to your house for most things. And as for this video, battery prices have plummeted. Rich was all about click bait.
Funny thing is it's just not a Tesla problem. All car companies have destroyed your ability to get your car fixed at a reasonable rate. It's buy design , so you have to buy a new one.
Really interesting clip, Great to see your dedication to champion right for repair. As a mechanic (not EV) I can see the point of Tesla wanting to change the whole pack, ensuring no comebacks if another part of the original battery cell fails in the weeks or months after a partial replacement, a big job to do it all over again. I also totally understand from an owners perspective to opt for the repairs shown, which were professionally performed by your shop. I was wondering what happens to the battery waste, and whether this will become a bigger issue into the future. Thanks for the education.
I have a similar problem in England. The heater matrix on my Mitsubishi Outlander Phev is clogged up. It is out of warranty. The dealer wants £6000 to replace it. The genuine part is £150 on eBay but no one wants to work on an electric car. The forums say it is due to the castings not being cleaned out at manufacture. Mitsubishi don’t want to know. Keep up the good work. Informative video.
I had extreme Tesla Envy until I started watching your videos. I still have misty eyes when I see one drive by or lined up at the Supercharger. Then I remember what a hassle it is to own one and I can shake it off. Thank you for the reality.
Total hassle, Really! Do not buy one. Do yourself a favor and buy a much better Porsche Taycan. Or if you got a Dollar more a Rimac Nevera. Much better cars then Tesla! Really! I know it! I‘ve fetched my third on saturday.
That's Rich business model in a nutshell. Pretend to be a Tesla supporter and then make sure you'll never buy one. He got you good. The fact is, the vast majority of Tesla owners are exceptionaly happy with their purchase.
Soo many other good EVs out there. Nissan Leaf is doing VERY well and a good cheap competitor. Rivian finally delivered their first factory car to a consumer! Tesla is getting good competition! I still love my MX but in 2024 I'm looking forward to theVolkswagon EV Van!
@@craigchatterton4164 Every electric car is a good car! Ok one exemption: The JAC. Be happy you will not gat that thing in the US. And the Suda. And the Wuling. Ok, i guess you get my intentions.
It is not a hassle to own a Tesla. I have had one for more than two years. I have charged at home 99% of the time and spent zero dollars on service. Nothing has ever gone wrong with the car and I have no service scheduled. It's the safest, fastest. cleanest, smartest car ever made. I guess there is no pleasing some people.
I can relate to the parts finding discussion. I just work on my stuff and sometimes for friends and family. I have replaced several cracked screens on laptops and finding a replacement part is the most challenging aspect of the whole process.
Any way to tell if Tesla put a used battery in my Model S? If there a date stamping on the case or anything else to tell? (I know they put used tires on my car once.)
The reason Apple and Tesla can get away with this is because their customers enjoy getting bent over the table. Quit buying their products and their attitude will change real quick.
Pretty sure it’s almost ALL companies. Otherwise it wouldn’t be called Right to Repair. It would be called Boycott Apple and Tesla. I run a repair shop and as bad as Apple can be they pale in comparison to almost anyone else. Nobody makes it simple to just get parts. You gotta get things yourself. At least there is a thriving industry of aftermarket parts built around Apple. Samsung won’t even fix there own stuff. It’s like buying a Tesla and then Tesla not fixing their own stuff.
@@CallMrPC I can get virtually any part for a ford, chevy, or toyota and install it in my garage. You can't say that about Tesla. I can buy a Samsung phone for $100 that will probably last longer than an Apple. It's cheap enough to throw away when it breaks.
Confused. My comment was maybe that you didn’t understand right to repair. Nobody is doing is correctly in the tech industry hence then push for right to repair legislation. The same exists for farm equipment. So while I would love to sit and argue about what company is better…. That’s NOT the point. Samsung is just as lousy at this as Apple. That’s the entire point of the video. The legislation is meant for new technology. Not stuff that’s been around for 30 years and everyone already knows how to repair.
@@CallMrPC I understand right to repair very well. You want the government to bail out consumers that buy stuff from companies with lousy service. As I thought I had made quite clear. If customers would stop buying products from companies with crappy service than the companies would change. I would never buy a car from a company like Tesla that has the worst service reputation of any car company.
@@jimfarmer7811 Ok cool I give up. Conversation is nigh impossible without hearing and listening. Never told you to buy a Tesla. I simply said all companies nowadays are equally just as horrible. You’d literally boycott everyone. But again man it’s cool. The Internet has lowered the expectations for what conversation is.
@nsanef I'm with you I'm glad I caught this. Had to be Divine Providence. My mind was wandering and thinking more and more towards Tesla. *"Not Now"* !!!
@@DavidHRyall the right to repair is a basic standard every manufacturer should follow, I know cars aren’t being purchased in the same way and this is changing to a model similar to mobile phones but Tesla take the piss. Everyone has seen apple’s mode of a closed ecosystem and everyone wants to copy, forgetting apple feeds a market and practices infanticide. Electric I like the Porch tycan you own it and parts are better available, granted to get molested when you first purchase it either the options list but you are free after that.
@@icost4671 I like the product but it’s the way it’s run like a little mafia pay up being the answer to every problem. I love the Porch ev range the new off-road looks the part like the tycan at the high end but the Kia as a city car looks promising. I’m not rich but I do decide who I spend my time and money with, can’t in all good consciousness spend any money with Tesla.
@@nsanef I'm loving that black wing 6-speed standard Cadillac , I'm not rich neither but my credit rating will let me get that. If I do get it it's going to be a big cut back on everything. My 38-in waist will probably be down to 32-28 within the first year , without any exercise. LoL
Folks, if you like peace of mind about your battery (longevity & safety), for years to come, just charge your EV between 30% - 70% (and do 90% - 100% when going for a long Road Trip). (I own Tesla S & X, and I'm an Electrical Engineer) * High temperatures kill batteries. If you go on a holiday/vacation during the summer, leave your vehicle at a low SOC (state of charge). For example, at or below 30% SOC * Cycle within a narrow SOC range. For example: 40-60% rather than 10-80%. The cathode expands and contracts in a wider SOC range, which causes it to break apart. * On that note: The lower the narrower the SOC range, the better. That means charging frequently. * Avoid charging the vehicle above 75% SOC. Above 75% side reactions start occuring that cause degradation. This also reduces the volume expansion issues mentioned * Taking all variables into account, operating between 45-70% SOC, and storage at ~30% is ideal. * Occasional high SOC and wide SOC range are okay! For example, the occasional road trip. * With good thermal management hardware and battery management software, supercharging should have minimal negative effects on cycle life But even y'all will not follow those tips. The battery will not die tomorrow. it is just that there are some small (or big) consequences later on. Have a great day
Thanks for the tip sir! If i may, i live in Australia and just got a model 3 rwd which has LFP battery, is there any advise you can give me for temperature? Here in Australia is really hot during the summer normally goes up to 95F (35C) during the daytime. If i park the car during summer with roughly about 70-90% SOC, will it affect battery health? Currently Im maintaining SOC to 70-90% (charging everyday or two) while charging it to 100% once or twice a week. Thank you!
@@sjcir * How long is the 95F per day? * Does your car always outside (24/7)? * How will you charge your EV (Supercharger only, or Level 1/2 only, or both)? * Will you use it for short drives most of the time or long drives (per day)? * How long do you think you'll keep it before you will buy a new one? (Again, my suggestion of 30% - 70% for regular day charging is still the best way to keep a healthy battery)
@@cliffm8846 thanks for quick reply! So basically, it's mostly intense during 12pm-4pm during summer, other times pretty moderately. And it sits around 6hours per day, normally ill park underground parking. Here in Sydney Australia, we don't have much superchargers like other countries so basically ill be relying on lvl2 chargers (11-22kwh) 99%of times. And not planning other cars at the moment! Probably keep this one for 5+yrs :) thank you!!
@@sjcir So, the car will experience 4 hours of quite hot weather per day in the summer time, but in the rest of the year the temperature is good for the battery. Also, if you don't drive more than 50 miles per day (350 Miles per week), and always in underground parking, that will be good for your car. Level 2 charging is perfect, as that's what I use for all my EVs, inside my garage. Only charge it to 80 - 100% when you're going for a long Road Trip. But remember to only charge it only to 100% before you will leave for that trip, and IF you need some juice, the maximum should be is 80%, and then when you're back to your place, you can do again your 30% - 70% routine. And if you will follow that religiously, your car battery and even the whole car will be with you for years to come... Have a great day & God bless!
You’re the man rich. I’ll keep you guys in mind. My parents have the very first Tesla X in our area so it’s closing in on that time. They’re a bit older and traditional and most likely will go to Tesla for everything. I have to keep an eye on them. You seem like a very liable option. Props to your shop
I just got my 1969 Cadillac Eldorado back from the dealer after owning it for just 2 weeks before finding a slow leak out of the gas tank. Sure it was under warranty so I didnt have to pay anything to have the gas tank replaced….but to see that invoice quite literally shocked the shit out of me. This car is fully loaded. Automatic leveling and smooth as silk driving. First US manufactured car with front wheel drive and anti-locking brakes. Stereo with no tooth. But when I saw that invoice man I paid nearly $5,000for the car new but replacing that gas tank would have been $4,500 were it not under warranty. What a shock. I will never buy a Cadillac again in my life. Highway robbery. Next trip in my new car….Hwy 66, back to home, from LA to Kalamazoo Michigan. I’ll never move back to California either because of all those damn regulations. I get 10 miles per gallon and I’ll pay nearly a whole month’s wages ($72) to drive this damn thing to Kalamazoo. Were it not for all those pollution controls (WTF is a caddilatic converter?) I’d probably be getting 30 miles per gallon if I didnt have that damn thing. I just hope to god I make it back to Kalamazoo without that damn Caddilactic converter going out. They tell me to replace that would cost $10,000. Just glad I have a 24 month warranty on this beast….But I LOVE the ride. They tell me I can sell the Caddilactic converter when I get back to Kalamazoo for the Plutonium the government uses to make them for $5,000. 😅
I would have happily watched an hour long video on this topic. This is absolutely fascinating for those of us who have no understanding of fully electric vehicles.
I completely disagree with everything you say here... Tesla is not like any of these other brands it's not like apple it's not like any other brand out there... Tesla will be having full self driving vehicles and by you touching the electronics and batteries and components you could be compromising the entire system and could cause the death of a person unwittingly... When full self driving is initiated they will be ensuring the vehicles themselves think about that for half a second... If you are insuring a vehicle yourself then do you want other people being able to touch your components and work on them absolutely not you're going to only have them worked on by your technicians... You like the fundamental processing power of your brain to understand this... By doing this you keep another vehicle from being electrified... There's a limited supply of batteries the batteries are better served electrifying the system then this other Tesla will be sold at a cheaper rate now it would be sold at a higher rate and now it's out of reach to those at the lower end you're completely destroying the entire cycle and further pushing the win of fossil fuels without even having the processing power to even understand it.
That's not even the tip of that iceberg...... Companies like apple and tesla have several shell (fake) businesses registered. What they do is take the stuff you throw away for like free or extremely cheap and give to their parent companies . English that laptop you true because it had a little HDD issue, has 99.91% parts working absolutely fine. You gave it to to some aftermarket shop or some person on eBay, ultimately it goes to Apple where 99.2% of parts are recovered. Exactly same does tesla.
If the dealer just replaced the bad cells and six months later some more cells failed (which is very possible since cells have already failed), the customer would want it fixed for free since "You just worked on my battery!!". I have had the same situation when replacing motor brushes instead of the whole motor in the automatic door trade, which caused a new policy by the company I worked for. Change the whole motor from now on. Trying to save the customer money by doing a lower level repair usually backfires.
Bs. The dealer just has to be absolutely clear about the repair, just as this company is. "U can have it replaced, 22k and warrantied, or for ~7k we replace the cells but will guarantee only the new cells." Wrote, signed, legal.
As The Car Wizard says, "I didn't say a cheap price, I said a fair price." The price to fix this sort of issue sounds exceptionally fair, and I don't know why people wouldn't support you. Hell, if you open one up in the Sacramento, CA area, I'll definitely put my application in as an office body and apprentice technician.
They are helping the foolish who were caught up in the funk of the proprietary brands. The man in the black turtle neck or the billionaire who owns X. I'm not buying into the cult so I don't have these issues. Tesla and Apple are laughing all the way to the bank
they got me with that same problem except unfortunately it was an all electric ford focus I took the car there three times over the past two years with battery problems but every time they said no problems. I got an error code that said see manual, towed it to the shop they said im sorry the ion battery is done, and your warranty went out earlier this year "sorry dude". What can I do to get this hooked up.
Sue them for neglecting your right of waranty. Depending on where you live, you, as a paying customer, also has a right on waranty on repairs. If the repair has been done improperly so the problem still persists, they can't claim expired warranty since you informed the dealership about the problem within warrenty terms. Not your fault it takes them so long to fix
I was on a fence about buying an used Model S but now I'm more than motivated again cuz I know that there is a place to have it repaired in case something happens 👍👍👍 Thanks Rich🙏🙏
Great that you did this, but what about the 14 remaining original modules? I'd be worried about them failing as well in the near future and that $5k being only a temporary fix.
Not everyone has the money to replace all of the modules. Sure, another one could fail tomorrow, but for the person who bought a used 2013 Model S and didn't have the money for a completely new pack, this is a nice option to have.
@@StephenPace1 "Sure, another one could fail tomorrow" Exactly the point, someone may spend $5k and only months later could be up for another $5k with more bad modules. The person who can't afford that full $22.5k for a full module replacement certainly can't afford to make such risky $5k investments either. The real problem is the replacement modules from Tesla costing as much as they do. They are indirectly obstructing the right to repair.
@@dogestronaut See video at 6.00. There are 16 modules not 14 = $24k and that is the module cost replacement NOT including fitting costs. Including fitting costs: 2 modules = $5k, so to replace 16 modules would be $40k.
I love this video. I am a service tech in the automotive field, and you hit the nail right on the head. Getting manufactures to release info is a pain in the ass. Another thing they are doing is trade marking parts. That is holding up a lot of things. I do hope that you make a video touching on that. Thanks for the grate video Rich.
Just saw Vice did an article on you. They weirdly have more plugs to Hoovie and his Channel ( not even mentioning yours??? ) but the rest of the article was solidly about you Rich! Keep doing your thing man!
The entire EV rise is only a hobby for the rich who want to feel superior "saving the environment" when ev is the exact opposite. They're not a serious thing, and will not be the future. Tesla are government owned vehicles, not profitable without subsidies etc. subsidies is the only reason tesla is profitable, at all even in history.
@olstar18 there have been Nissan Leafs on the road for over a decade with no problems. Not all EVs have problems with their battery, just like not all ICEV have problems with their engines.
@@dogestronaut Define problem. Some people losing 20% of the battery charge isn't a problem others its a serious one. And when you have to replace it the price is as much or more than the value of the vehicle. As I said. It is inherent in large high power batteries.
Unless the battery has some longer warranty, like 5 years or 100,000 miles, even at $12k, probably not worth it. Yes the Tesla battery may cost $22k but it may also have a very long warranty, like 10 years or 200,000 miles. People need to weigh those things out. Not to mention that if you have a problem while on the road, if you have a battery that is under warranty by Tesla, likely they will take care of most of the things for you (towing the vehicle to the nearest dealership and getting the thing replaced, although that alone might take a while considering parts availablity on some things) but also keep in mind not every dealer (and most repair shops) can't, don't or won't work on an electric car so it's not like taking in your typical gas car and getting it repaired and your on your way. But even if you have a warranty from a refurbished manufacturer, that may only cover the battery itself, not the labor to install it or to have your car towed. So don't be fooled just by the sticker price.
22k is literally another car. Only a fool would pay that much for repair on a part that is absolutely guaranteed to wear out. But it's also a Tesla which are scams on wheels, so people get what they pay for I guess.
Thank you Rich. I am really happy there is someone it there like you advocating for Tesla owners like nobody else is willing to do. Keep up the good work
That 14 dollars left in your checking account could buy a pretty decent webcam. Said webcam could open you up to different ventures, something for fans only.
I've been watching you for years and Louis is correct, you're an amazing story teller who really made me realize how bad the repair issues were with Tesla. Your honesty and channel helped me to understand how bad the issue was and how easily it could be rectified. This isn't just a consumer issue, this IS an environmental issue as vehicles that could easily be repaired are often totalled by insurance companies because there is a severe lack of third party repair facilities for Tesla vehicles including body shops. This IS good for Tesla but bad for the consumers and the environment because perfectly services and repairable vehicles are being sent to dismantlers where there isn't a market currently for those parts. Thanks for doing what you do.
So apparently this "fix" broke like 3 months later. Tesla's policy of only replacing the entire battery pack is too extreme and definitely motivated by greed, but not entirely. Cells this old should not be replaced one at a time.
Rich!! Again, a GREAT job!! And you got Rossmann to make a guest appearance!! Winner! Winner!! Please keep fighting the good fight for the Right to Repair!!!!!!
it's okay, Rich. I just got a call about my car's extended warranty. The guy said it'll take care of all of the problems on my 1988 Buick, so it should cover your newer Teslas.
I am purchasing my first Tesla now. I am happy I found this amazing team. Please keep it up. You have my full support. And if your hiring, I’m in !. I’m from New Jersey. Great work guys .
Good info, knowledge needed for the future of EV cars. Very good job on this video, thank you. We have only owned hybrids for eco value, not for sny political reasons. We cant afford the high priced repairs or costs. We ar ed a different generation so we lean to the old school side of gasoline and diesel engine cars/trucks. This video helps everyone to understand the path to the all electric car world. Nice, thanks. Please do more of these ev videos.
Battery cells weaken in time in a pack equally as a unit in a vehicle, sure I would pay the 5 G’s but quickly will sell the car and buy a newer one before other cells begin to degrade over time and get jacked another 5’ G”s. Replacing a couple packs doesn’t renew the rest of the remaining ones, just buys you time. I’ve driven Priuses for the last 10yrs.
Took me a while scrolling down to find this comment. That's exactly the problem with this kind of repair. And it was already more than one block, this shows how closely they degrade.
I completely disagree with everything you say here... Tesla is not like any of these other brands it's not like apple it's not like any other brand out there... Tesla will be having full self driving vehicles and by you touching the electronics and batteries and components you could be compromising the entire system and could cause the death of a person unwittingly... When full self driving is initiated they will be ensuring the vehicles themselves think about that for half a second... If you are insuring a vehicle yourself then do you want other people being able to touch your components and work on them absolutely not you're going to only have them worked on by your technicians... You like the fundamental processing power of your brain to understand this... By doing this you keep another vehicle from being electrified... There's a limited supply of batteries the batteries are better served electrifying the system then this other Tesla will be sold at a cheaper rate now it would be sold at a higher rate and now it's out of reach to those at the lower end you're completely destroying the entire cycle and further pushing the win of fossil fuels without even having the processing power to even understand it.
The irony is that while most ice vehicle fans site this as reasons to avoid electric vehicles, all other car makers are doing similar things now to limit the amount that can be repaired by independent shops or by the owners themselves. No matter what type of enthusiast you are, in every industry, right to repair regulation needs to happen to protect consumers.
I completely disagree with everything you say here... Tesla is not like any of these other brands it's not like apple it's not like any other brand out there... Tesla will be having full self driving vehicles and by you touching the electronics and batteries and components you could be compromising the entire system and could cause the death of a person unwittingly... When full self driving is initiated they will be ensuring the vehicles themselves think about that for half a second... If you are insuring a vehicle yourself then do you want other people being able to touch your components and work on them absolutely not you're going to only have them worked on by your technicians... You like the fundamental processing power of your brain to understand this... By doing this you keep another vehicle from being electrified... There's a limited supply of batteries the batteries are better served electrifying the system then this other Tesla will be sold at a cheaper rate now it would be sold at a higher rate and now it's out of reach to those at the lower end you're completely destroying the entire cycle and further pushing the win of fossil fuels without even having the processing power to even understand it!
Wow, your conversation with Louis was so enlightening! I don't need a repair yet, but I'm always looking for the person with the best deal. Hopefully, if I ever need a repair on my Tesla battery, someone will be able to replace parts vs the whole battery like you did. Thank you for this conversation. I didn't know it worked this way.
I like Lewis Rosmans channel. I like it because of what he's doing, I like it because he isnt taking crap from them and he is standing up for all of us. I'm not an apple fan I don't need to know the in and outs of apple products and what my repair options are.
Louis raises a good point. I don't own a car and have no interest in electric cars. I only know that Tesla is a terrible brand for after sales service because of you Rich. Great content as always 😊
Louis is so passionate about his business and right to repair. Love his stuff. Cool to see you guys having a chat….it’s always fun when two different channels I follow collaborate.
@@DroptheBassForJesusSake watch kurtis bautes video of "why I'm blocking a pipeline with my body" climate change is far more bigger a problem than how big it seems already
I completely disagree with everything you say here... Tesla is not like any of these other brands it's not like apple it's not like any other brand out there... Tesla will be having full self driving vehicles and by you touching the electronics and batteries and components you could be compromising the entire system and could cause the death of a person unwittingly... When full self driving is initiated they will be ensuring the vehicles themselves think about that for half a second... If you are insuring a vehicle yourself then do you want other people being able to touch your components and work on them absolutely not you're going to only have them worked on by your technicians... You like the fundamental processing power of your brain to understand this... By doing this you keep another vehicle from being electrified... There's a limited supply of batteries the batteries are better served electrifying the system then this other Tesla will be sold at a cheaper rate now it would be sold at a higher rate and now it's out of reach to those at the lower end you're completely destroying the entire cycle and further pushing the win of fossil fuels without even having the processing power to even understand it!
@@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler what Louis and rich are fighting for is for certified technicians having the tools and information to work on the car without having to jump through impossible hoops. This isnt just a right to repair in ur backyard shade tree mechanic. This is about not letting ANY third party mechanic shop work on it, by withholding information or threatening to disable supercharging, even if they are certified or have even worked at tesla before. I understand your sentiment of the self driving system and it being compromised. But these cars are test driven by certified and licensed mechanics and they make sure the autopilot systems run fine and even if they dont, autopilot has contingency of contingencies for safety. Going further into the future and the movement towards EV, we cannot have a monopoly on repair because it has already shown that they will abuse it.
Just curious, what is the likelihood of other cells dying relatively soon if the whole battery isn’t replaced? I don’t know much about EV batteries, but if certain cells started to die due to their age, and it cost $5k just to replace the couple that went bad now, if the whole battery isn’t replaced, it seems possible that you might run into more and more of the cells dying over time. Am I missing something?
Btw, Louis was totally right at the end of the video about the story telling aspects of spreading awareness of repairability. You guys are both great storytellers - keep up the awesome work!! 👍👍👍
Yes, 5000 for replacing bad battery cells with good but used ones doesn't seem cheap at all. When for 4x of that you can have whole new battery (original battery is 8 years old). Of course, if you just don't have extra 20000, then it is probably better alternative than not having running car at all.
25K is the better long term fix but Hoovies has so many cars that 5K fix was the better move.If this was your only car then make 25k move. In fact, you can probably get a free older Tesla from people who don’t want to pay the 25K.
In the Philippines there are battery repair shops who would repair industrial lead acid batteries example stand-up electric driven forklift by performing what is called "sectional repair" meaning one or two cells are defective and needed to be replaced with new battery cells.The repaired battery would run for a another year or more. If the number of defective cells are numerous, the shop would recommend outrighr full replatement using equivalent brands of positive and negative plates and the "remanufactured" battery would run for two years or more. The cost is a fraction of a OEM supplied battery. The logic behind this effort is to enable the unit owner (example if unit is for rental) to earn and raise the amount he needs to buy a new OEM battery that has a service life of 5 years.
Hey Rich, could the sagging cells just have been ‘snipped’ so that the entire module did not have to be replaced. There is one independent shop that cuts the leads to the bad cell and sends the car on its way. Cutting off one cell out of 7k won’t really affect your mileage, plus you don’t have the expense of the entire module.
But why? I'd rather have a newer module than the old one with a few cells snipped, *especially* since the company doing the snipping is also charging $5K. If anything this video demonstrated why the snipping service is gouging people. The bulk ($4K) of Electrified Garage's $5K bill to the customer was parts. As you aren't getting any parts replaced w/ the snipping company, that is just massive profit to them.
@@beyerch correct. If they just snipped out the bad cells, the repair would have been way cheaper! I would rather just pay $1,000(estimating) in labor and lose a few miles, than spend $5k on a $20k-ish vehicle.
@@fatwajim Unless something has changed, they are charging $5K to *snip* out the bad cells. If they are now charging $1K to just snip out some cells, then that would be a better deal.
Most people do not know this about the batteries in a Tesla or other electric cars. the battery pack is made up of 21700 cells, so in many cases a battery pack may have some bad cells in it and to replace them it is about $3-$4 a cell, even if you need 100 cells it is about $400 + labor. In the near future there will be many shops that will refurbish battery packs for Tesla and the cost of each refurbish pack may go down to a few hundred $dollars.
That's not even the tip of that iceberg...... Companies like apple and tesla have several shell (fake) businesses registered. What they do is take the stuff you throw away for like free or extremely cheap and give to their parent companies . English that laptop you true because it had a little HDD issue, has 99.91% parts working absolutely fine. You gave it to to some aftermarket shop or some person on eBay, ultimately it goes to Apple where 99.2% of parts are recovered.
I have a 2014 Tesla Model S85. New battery pack under warranty installed 25k miles ago in 2019. 70K total miles now. Battery worked perfectly, then had the infotainment upgrade installed by my local tesla service center here in las vegas nevada, then all of a sudden they tell me my battery is shot and has an "internal fault" and now my max charge is 34%. Tesla wants $19K to replace the battery now. Would LOVE to find a shop like this near me... so far no luck! Any suggestions or referrals would be greatly appreciated! I'm willing to drive to california/arizona if that is where a good shop is.
Your complaint about apple I didn’t like apple for years for lots of different reasons but I’ve learned to like apple for a couple good reasons 1. Apple stands behind there product software you can still get updates after a year or more. 2. You can get repair parts for older devices you may have to buy a few extra pieces hooked together but you usually can get it to work. Other companies I’ve had devices from it didn’t matter if it was a week old or 20 years old you weren’t getting any parts at any price anytime ever. The complaint’s that you had to get a whole screen instead of just a part of a screen which was glued together and took a lot of skill to separate the pieces without breaking everything and I think they got sued a few times is why they quit selling the parts. I still have an old iPod that works it’s not very loud and doesn’t have much memory I also have a couple of larger ones with some problems I thought about trying to fix them but what’s the point they have no speakers no internet and only about 1 megabytes of memory. So I upgraded to a iPhone 14 pro max with a Terabyte of memory I have unlimited internet and my plan came with Apple Music the old apps I used to use don’t let you play your music anymore so I downloaded most of my favorite music so I can still play whenever I want even with no services and it’s loud enough I don’t have to use earbuds anymore. But the trouble I see with your cars is there like all the other electronics companies if it brakes in a short time they will give you a new one after a year or two forget it even parts are next to impossible to get and since we don’t make anything here good luck getting the parts from china 😂
This was one of the main reasons why I gave up my Rolls Royce Phantom, a company that has been owned by BMW for 2 decades. You could see how much the parts cost on BMW’s Indy mechanic website, where OEM BMW parts can be bought for wholesale, except anything for a Rolls-Royce. Those have to be bought through a dealer only, and they basically add a zero to every single part as it crosses their counter. That attitude is about the same when it comes to instructions on how to fix them as well. With so few Phantom owners, the vast majority in an income bracket well above mine that couldn’t care less, I just gave up.
Can’t wait to see that sweet model S in your next videos. Let’s get those headlights fixed hoovie!
that is why this legislation is so important
This is why we all must fight for that right to repair. If a repair company doesn't have the right to access schematics, or parts or chips and things they need to do a simple repair, then we're all forced into a "throw away" mentality when most of us don't want to have that mindset.
As you already own all my dreamcars, when you gonna buy a bentley mulsanne?
@@LouisWritingSomethingCrazy you can repair, buy 4 of the same cars and you have all the parts you need
Right-to-repair is so important. Thank you! Not all heroes wear capes 🙏🏽
Wow, never thought to see a RUclips pioneer here
Nice to see a true legend watching and contributing to uncle Rich channel ❤️
I've honestly yet to see a hero in a cape.
He moved away from the mic to comment.
The man the myth the legend
Love this collab. Tesla and Apple's business practices regarding repairing your device are almost identical. I can't count how many times I've had someone come to my shop after Apple quoted them $800, and all I had to do was unplug the battery and plug it back in. We have to educate people about r2r and I'm grateful you're using your platform to spread the word!
Right to repair should be a thing. Though I agree on the manufacture reason for large cost replacement. Replacements are suppose to be super easy which is what Tesla does because the majority of their repairs are from warranty or insurance. Cash repairs are far and few. Apple on the other hand does not want you to repair because the amount of work they put in to making the phone water tight and super small means that they do not want to make them repairable. As far as I know right now Apple phone can not be repaired at all with the latest version. You can not swap parts anymore. I do not know if they found a work around yet or not. Last I heard is that each part is encoded with in said chip and that encoded is recorded with the phone software and if the same chip/part is not there the phone does not work or is drastically reduced. Apple would have to provide parts for old tech for years and years and this is a reason why they fight the right to repair as most people do not have the knowlage to do said repair and stores that offer repairs may or may not know what they are doing. Its a double edge sword. The same applies to Tesla and John Deere Tractors.
Tesla is the Apple of cars. From the hatred of repair, expensive and poorly done first party repair, and right down to the stupid proprietary charger that they absolutely refuse to stop using no matter how many years pass with a standard accepted by the entire rest of the industry.
@@mjc0961 Yeah Tesla only wants Tesla cars to charge on their network. You can buy adapters to charge on other networks be it slow charged or not. Either way you will not see Tesla changing their plug anytime soon. They have a vast network and that network is meant for their stuff only. FFS Apple did this for their charger for decades while android were mostly standard, Long before micro usb was common. barrel plugs and weird other type plugs were used long before smart phones. As far as I know Apple now uses usbc? If so then that is what everyone is using these days.
Tesla is very badly copying apple and its a disappointment tbh.
education is part of it. The bigger problem is the mindset of dissposability. "Something doesn't work? Ah it's cheaper to toss is and buy another". THAT is a public mindset that needs to change.
Living as an expat in Mexico I quickly learned that you can get electronic appliances repaired here. Locals have a passion for being able to reuse something that has gone kaput, and have the imagination and patience to figure out how to do non manufacturer repairs. An eye opener to live with that new reality. More power to you guys bringing informed repairs to the U.S. market instead of the throw away and rebuy mentality.
@@DisheveledSuccess My first smartphone lasted 7 years. It was the software update pushes that killed it. My cars have 335K and 190K miles.
11:55 you should accept mail in repairs ;)
On my way to the nearest usps
Showing support for right to repair 👊
Not only right to repair, I added ambient lights to my 2014 s85. (No lights were installed, so I installed them, but Tesla will not enable the lights for me. I’ve tried service centers, I’ve tried mobile techs, and even 3rd party repair shops. Tesla won’t help me and the 3rd party guys lack access to enable the feature.)
Now, how big the mail bag would be for a Tesla. Lol, it happens a few thousand dollars on a flatbed right? Sometimes the model of "mail bag" doesn't work for everything.
Car shipping IS a thing and it ain't that big when the alternative is 22K...
About Right to Repair: It also needs to be stated and emphasized how much this affects every industry. I did Medical Equipment Repair for the Air Force for 12 years, and we face the exact same problems in every part of our job. Everything from CT/MRI machines (which I've gone to formal training on) down to simple infusion pumps and vital signs monitors. I have seen multiple OR rooms be shut down because of ass hole companies being ass holes. That means surgery cancellations, and limited capacity for emergency response. This is a HUGE deal and only getting worse with time.
It is selfish, corrupt, immoral and Earth-killing CEO's and leaders running these companies doing this crap and selfish, corrupt, immoral legislators and government officials who are allowing it to continue.
Did you train the Sheppard AFB?
@@Jp-be9xx Sure did, was there in 07-08. Second or third last Flight still in BDU's.
@@LPcrazy_88 Oh nice. I was there in 01.. Worked on the CT in Bagram in 04-05 back when they had the PQ2000.
@@Jp-be9xx that's exactly why I got my CT training for the Philips Brilliance series to deploy to Bagram in 2013-2014. Hell of an experience. Crazy to think even in the Desert there was still a couple companies that wouldn't give us complete support. We had issues with our Lab Analyzers and we didn't have anyone there with formal training (the guy who was supposed to be trained dropped the ball scheduling the training), so the company wouldn't help us at all. We were SOL until we could get that Army team I forget the name of out there to bail us out if I'm remembering correctly.
Several years ago, when my 2004 Toyota Prius neared the 200K mile marker, the big battery decided to give up. Dealer wanted about $3700 to replace it. I found a guy who rebuilt Prius batteries for $1000....way cheaper. If I remember correctly, the Prius battery has 48 cells, some go bad, some still good. Refurbishing simply means testing each one and replacing the bad ones. I would guess that as EV's proliferate, more independent battery repair options will follow.
It won't happen by itself; we must fight for the right to repair our own vehicles, which includes preserving competition by making sure private shops have access to the tools and technology to do those repairs as well.
Companies will fight that. You fixing your car keams you are not buying a new one
@@jcgw2 this is exactly why we must fight for the right to repair and modify the things WE OWN.
So ... you kept the ugly prius?
@Lex Loomers I know, but a grand is even less!
I'm glad you are helping Tesla battery customers but be careful when rebuilding battery packs. I was very good at R/C racing 35 years ago and I rebuilt many battery packs. The best way to do it is whenever a cell goes bad you toss it and save the others. If you need a new pack buy it or build it with new cells. When you have enough used cells you charge and discharge them to find their capacity then group them to build new packs. The best 6 used cells in my case became pack #2 and the next 6 cells became pack #3 and the next became pack #4. The new cells were always pack #1. That way you have good cell balance in each pack. You can't replace dying cells with new ones because all the others are old and have less capacity and more internal resistance. A battery pack repaired that way will not perform well because the old cells go dead faster than the new ones and provide less current. Balance is key to good battery pack performance.
From what hoovie said recently this repair apparently didn't last long. Like 6 months and then same issue.
@@doomsday9973 it's predictable. Once a cell fails another will soon fail, then another, then another, like a string of old Christmas lights.
@@wsbill14224 yep makes sense. And probably why Tesla won’t do this kind of repair
@@doomsday9973 absolutely. To fix Tesla batteries properly you replace them. Otherwise you have to go all in and become a battery pack recycling center where you collect old batteries and disassemble charge test and regroup the old cells into useable matched packs at a lower price, and swap them out as they fail. A used battery business. How many cells are in a Tesla pack? If you work like a Chinese factory worker you might make enough to eat!
Louis has a point, actually:
- I don't own a car (let alone an eletric one)
- I am not american
- There's not a single damn super charging station in my country
- I don't even have a driving licence even though I am 32
Yet, I still follow Rich because he's an entertaining fella to watch.
Kinda same i have license but i drive 2002 passat and i live in EU ive seen tesla maybe 5 times irl.
there are very few countries with no supercharging, most asian, oceanic, european, north or south american counties have super charging
@@KingFinnch I am brazilian, my dude.
I guess eletricity here is more expensive than gas, lol.
@@thaedleinad Seems like you need to invent electric gasoline.
@@Mikrus. Wow we see Tesla’s everywhere every day here in the states like a Camry
Support Right to Repair, all day everyday. Thank you Louis Rossman!! Thank you Rich !! Sending mad support to the DIY community!!
It’s very important to have the right to repair. Farmers are fighting the MFGs of farm equipment for RTR as well.
Rich, I still have my 2013 85s. Tesla has replaced the drive train , Replaced the battery pac (to a 90) , Replaced the LCD screen , Mother board....I have had to pay for the AC/DC converter ($3800 for a fuse) . Door handles to the next gen. 1 air suspension (2900). Do I keep the car as it's been mostly rebuilt ? And yes Right-to-repair is a must!
How about right to move on from an obvious catastrophe of a vehicle, to a statistically amazingly reliable vehicle like a Toyota Rav4 hybrid or Camry hybrid or new very powerful and fun hipster - the Toyota Prius hybrid with phenomenal MPG.
EVs just are not a good investment right now. Poor quality builds, poor warranties, and very poor resale/high depreciation.
"Throw it out and go buy another one" is the guiding principle of corporations like Apple and Tesla. You don't get to be a trillion dollar business like Apple by tolerating customer service.
This is one thing I don't like about both Rich and Louis. They are promoting Tesla and Apple by providing work arounds to the evil that these companies perpetrate. I would like to see people doing business with decent companies and not buying John Deere or Apple products in the first place.
That's not even the tip of that iceberg......
Companies like apple and tesla have several shell (fake) businesses registered. What they do is take the stuff you throw away for like free or extremely cheap and give to their parent companies .
English that laptop you true because it had a little HDD issue, has 99.91% parts working absolutely fine.
You gave it to to some aftermarket shop or some person on eBay, ultimately it goes to Apple where 99.2% of parts are recovered.
They're both even worse... like propriety connectors, for example.
Apple removed the 3.5mm headphone jack - not because it made their phones thinner or better in any way, but to create/force another revenue stream - b/c you basically need to buy wireless headphones, and are pushed towards their $200 easily lost airpod bluetooth headphones that die in 1-3 years (battery dies, not replaceable), which are marginally worse quality than the free wired headphones that came with the phones previously (slightly upgraded speakers/design, but horrible audio compression over bluetooth).
Not even going to mention all the Tesla horror stories I've heard, mostly from this channel.
Apple used to be much better. The company died when Jobs did. Believe me, I worked there and it’s not even a husk of what it was just 10 years ago.
@@BigBossIvan true
Thanks for this video! My late 2013 Model S died on me last weekend and had it towed to Tesla Service. They said it was the battery and BMS and quoted me $20000. Fortunately, it had less than two months warranty left on the battery and Tesla covered replacement. Had this occurred two months later, I would have been screwed. I am glad you made this video and glad to know that there are repair options to shipping my car somewhere to a third party that can potentially fix it for a lot less.
But Tesla still controls the software feed and has been limiting the top charge to 80% if you go through another company to refurbish the batteries. They will not allow 100% charge if another shop works on it. But the difference in price is huge, Tesla has quoted 22,000 dollars compared with one of the big electronic battery replacement shops charging 7,000 dollars. You be the judge.
that is ridiculous
@@jeffrymilton1093 The price comparison doesn't make sense especially this video's example. The 22.5k is for a full replacement (all modules). The independent shop only replaced 2 @ 1.5k a piece.. if they replaced every one, it would have probably been close to 22.5k. So not really apples to apples comparison.
So basically you have spend 20k every 9 years on a Tesla...
Thank you I will stick to my conventional car...
You can buy a damn new car for 20k...
@@muhammadumair4888 exactly
He walked into Tesla and a clutch started singing to him
After watching your video, I just want to say that Rich and Stevon should release a studio album. Guaranteed top seller. Trust me, I have 130 years of experience in the music industry.
Yeah yeah.. the one like a flute.. ;0)
rear nut wheel 7:27
Don't you have some more cars to make crappy half-assed "repairs" on ?
I completely disagree with everything you say here... Tesla is not like any of these other brands it's not like apple it's not like any other brand out there... Tesla will be having full self driving vehicles and by you touching the electronics and batteries and components you could be compromising the entire system and could cause the death of a person unwittingly... When full self driving is initiated they will be ensuring the vehicles themselves think about that for half a second... If you are insuring a vehicle yourself then do you want other people being able to touch your components and work on them absolutely not you're going to only have them worked on by your technicians... You like the fundamental processing power of your brain to understand this... By doing this you keep another vehicle from being electrified... There's a limited supply of batteries the batteries are better served electrifying the system then this other Tesla will be sold at a cheaper rate now it would be sold at a higher rate and now it's out of reach to those at the lower end you're completely destroying the entire cycle and further pushing the win of fossil fuels without even having the processing power to even understand it.
I agree. Right to repair is a HUGE issue for anything we own. I always want to have the ability to repair my own things, or go to an independent shop if it is the best option. That is even more important with cars. I almost never take my car to stealerships for repair, unless I need to address a recall. I have had FAR better experiences with independent shops. I have one local shop that I go to for car repairs. They are much cheaper and they do the job right. I really hope to see more EV garages open and more existing shops start to add EV services to their menu. That won’t happen without right to repair.
It's insane to think that the right to repair is even an issue. When did we own something, only to discover that we never really own it. This is the saddest example of just how neglectful we have become.
Another reason why NOT to buy a EV
Another reason not to vote Republican. They will always support corporate profits.
@@DrJohnnyJ I hate to break it to you, but _both_ sides of the aisle have utterly failed to correct this issue. I repeat: BOTH. When the Senate is under control of the left NOTHING gets done. Then, when while under the control of the right still NOTHING gets done. In other words, this is not another reason to vote or not vote for any particular side. Rather this is a reason to bring awareness to the masses so WE, THE PEOPLE, can urge BOTH sides of the aisle to get their collective 💩 together and fix this absurdity.
@Poop More I do live in America, where we have a body of laws for _real_ property and a whole other, different body of laws for _personal_ property. This video is about laws concerning the latter. I don't know what it is about the _real_ property ownership that leads you to believe that it is the same as the right to repair, but I assure you that, at best, you are conflating two seemingly similar but not at all related _legal_ matters.
@@DrJohnnyJ do you still not know who Hunter Biden is and all the gas companies he's been paid by? Republicans are guilty as well, but Pelosi had probably made the most profits off of corporations this past year...
I would hate to see what the price of the semi battery will be when it gets released in 2028.
wow deboss garage is here another legend
On Semi battery will be more then 8 tonnes, so that will reduce payload by 8 tonnes. I do not believe Mask one word.
Since a truck is for commercial purposes. You can count on it being at least four to five times more. Okay the battery size will be different. So lets base it on price per lb. It will still be at least four to five times more per lb.
@@leolego2 lol..... if the land is flat, there is basically noway to recup energy, there is no perfect scenario mate.
Truck Companies would be furious with Monopoly pricing of repair and maintenance by Tesla ... Also, Tesla would destroy availability of because they don't have a network or resources to carry out the work ... Long Term costing of vehicles is essential to buying/operating decisions, so Tesla would probably find their Trucks wouldn't sell !!!
I have an iPhone 7 that wouldn't charge and I took it to Apple, they wanted $400 to fix it. My sister knew a guy that works on cellphones and he fixed it for $10 in about 5 minutes. It just needed to be taken apart and a piece of the charge port needed a little soldering. He said it's an extremely common problem on iPhone 7 and 8.
But of course one must always check reliability of a repair establishment. I had an iPhone screen repair and they fixed the home button too except now it wobbles by a few millimetres.
Same problem 18 years ago with a Mitsubishi projection TV. Blown capacitor on a 3-year-old TV. About $800 for the motherboard plus more for the housecall and labour. That was more than the TV was worth. Found a fella who made the house call, opened up the TV, he cut out the blown component, and he soldered on a new one. Done in less than 10 minutes. Hocus pocus. Part was about $15 and the housecall and labour was $75. Never had problem again and it was only 4 years ago that my wife forced me to get rid of it when we moved house.
BTW, still used an iPhone 3s until 18 months ago. Though the battery would deplete quickly, it still functioned fine for voice and text. But couldn't update IOS and the apps wouldn't update. Finally had to pitch it when more and more websites couldn't be accessed.
@@scootergrant8683 As someone who repairs phones, I can tell you this isn't necessarily the repair shops fault. I disagree with the practice of using less than ideal parts, especially when you're paying for a quality repair. But if you can only get one brand of screen and it happens to have poor home button hole tolerances, then what options do you have? Ofc, that's one reason we push for right to repair. That said, my personal opinion is we give the consumer a choice. Cheaper screen with a possible different feeling home button, or a higher quality screen with a perfect home button fit. Your choice where applicable. But to be fair to that shop, it doesn't necessarily mean the repair is bad. Even if I disagree and throw out screens with similar issues rather than selling them on customer devices.
There are simple fixes the brand dealers lie about.
There are other, more complicated issues with parts and repair that justify paying a dealer.
This Apple dealer was exploiting a known failure for unjust financial gain.
We could talk about Apple all day for all the stupid shit they do and get away with.. iphone 5 and 6 I think it was, the ones with so called lightning charge connectors had a design flaw where dust would stack up deep in the port to the point where the cable was just not making contact at all and therefore stop charging. It was an open secret at apple stores and they got thousands of "dead" phones traded in that they could fix in 2 minutes and sell back 'refurbished' for 500$+
I wish you guys all the best. You are the sort that make new expensive tech available to the masses at an affordable cost.
Whenever I hear "right-to-repair" the very first thing I think of is all those farmer's with their John Deere tractors that are fighting the same thing apparently Tesla owners are having to do. Farmers vs. John Deere Inc have been going at this for many years now...
How can John Deere Exec’s enjoy family dinner knowing they are harming the very farmers which provide their food 😖
@clot shots 😂🤦♂️🤦♂️
Get a kabota screw John Deere
Those farmers should have the right to put Tesla drive train in their John Deere tractors
American farmers have options just use other manufacturers farming equipment. Kubota or Mahindra.
“Let us know the name of your shop and the .75 repairs you do, and we’ll send them to you instead”
Savage Rich
Yup,he just cuts right thru the BS!
Stuff like that is what keeps me a subscriber. How can you not love this guy lol!
I've had customers argue with me after repairs when they see the parts/ labor breakdown and if the parts are cheap that it's ridiculous to charge so and so labor. As if one has a bearing on the other. It could be something like an inexpensive seal that needs to be changed, but take hours to perform.
The Savage we love to love ! 🤣
@@kft4764 The knowledge of how to fix something isn't free either, I know how to fix most stuff but when I'm lost or don't have the tools it's easier to pay an expert to do a couple hours of work rather than eff it up myself.
Folks, I don't know if you remember, but Nokia was a great company when it comes to right to repair. Every single part of any of their phones was replaceable and everything was affordable. Loved them!
Nokia back in the day were a masterpiece. The 3310 is one of the most famous phones out there. Nowadays they are irrelevant
I still have that phone and it's working,even after those years
@@yungboicontigo9278 I still own some models myself and I've restored a couple of them. Parts availability is amazing even nowadays and they're easy to fix.
Those Nokia’s had like 3 functions. Call, text and Snake. Oh sorry, a clock as well.
@ right, especially the Arabic Nokia ringtone, but their latest phones don’t get enough hype and it’s yet another competitor to Samsung or Apple.
My '13 Model S battery had to be replaced by a refurbished unit a few months ago. Total cost was $12700....not to bad for a first generation build. Though this was a hit in the wallet, the car with 148k still looks and drives just like new.
Where did you get the refurb battery replacement done? My 2013 Model S P85 just started restricting charge to 30% and Tesla wants $22,500 for a replacement battery...Ughhhh!
@@falconator0109 The refurb battery was ordered and installed by Tesla Service and comes with a warranty (I forget for how long/miles). Took a month to arrive back March '22. New battery from Tesla is $22k. Refurb is $12k. I read there are different revs of the refurb. I read Rev C is the latest, but I got Rev B. I won't complain. Fully charged, the refurb gets 237 miles; my old one went to 245-ish miles. I have a P85+. All my battery/charging issues for the past several months went away after getting the refurb installed.
@@speakerboy5146 Thanks so much for the information! They didn't offer me a refurb (WTH ???) so I will go back to local Tesla shop in Atlanta area and ask if they offer one.
But Elon Musk said they last 300K-500K
@@falconator0109 I would ship your car to this shop. Maybe you can get it fixed for $6K-7K
You would do well in California - many people including myself would choose your shop over others due to your existing reputation.
Yeah, California would love them to come over there so that they can get taxed hard.
*COMMIEFORNIA
What some of these trusted repair shops do, is "technically" illegal in California thanks to anti right to repair shit. Loop holes in the laws help this along. Nobody can be "trained" to work on a tesla as per ASE... thnaks to tesla, so no small repair shop Technically complies with California laws (as per working on tesla is concerned, there is legal ase certs for other vehicles..)
@@The1sKa better than most of brokeass america
@@The1sKa You mean the 5th largest economy in the world?
I used to be terrified of repairing stuff myself. Thanks to people on RUclips, I'm now taking computers, phones and cars apart (OK, not at a high level) and fixing stuff myself. And you can pass it forward. A (1-hour) video I made on replacing a phone battery has been seen by over 3,000 people. Not big in your world, but if I've helped 3,000 people and they help more people, it will help a lot more people. You're not only a storyteller, you're a teacher and boy does the world need good teachers.....
Rich's videos are probably the most powerful thing keeping me from ever buying a Tesla. I do all of my own repairs. Everything but bodywork and paint. If I can't get the parts or tools, I won't be interested in a Tesla. Hopefully Rich's and others' efforts on right-to-repair will change this.
The lack of infrastructure, higher pollution, less range, less payload and extreme cost not enough?
@@msharp6887 That was already enough
All musk stuff is a con. The guy is a rip off artist.
@@larryscarr3897 Musk is a con? He's resupplied the space station at a fraction of the cost of existing launch systems. He's freed us from dependence on Russian rocket engines. He's put out 3M EVs with the highest customer satisfaction of any brand according to Consumer Reports. And Tesla made EVs cool and opened up the market for other OEMs to join. For a "con", Elon's companies really deliver.
@@msharp6887 I mean if the Tesla battery replacement out of warranty costs 22k, I might as well lease an EV and get rid of it after 2-3 years? That’s why I think right to repair will have you see more people in these cars. People can’t absorb the acute hit to their bank accounts.
I get the environmental costs but if the public can’t do simple repairs on their cars or have a cheaper option to replace major components, why keep it? $22k for a battery replacement? Geez.
I became a subscriber several years ago with your flooded Tesla Model S build. I just purchased a new Tesla Model 3 performance. So after my warranty is expired! You will get my business! Thank you for your enlightenment on after warranty repairs!!!!
Can’t put into words how happy I was to see you and Louis Side by Side in a chat. I’ve been wanting to see you guys collaborate for a year or two now. Perfect!
The work you all have done to bypass the sloppy engineering of Tesla is god tier. I’m only a mechanical engineer so electrics is out of my wheelhouse but it’s obvious you all are highly knowledgeable and experienced. Much respect y’all.
i don't think you need to be an electrical engineer to know the basic electric stuff. i am a mechanical engineer too and understood everything in the video. i repair my electronics myself. All you need to have is an aptitude to learn and not live in the bubble of " oh i am a mechanical engineer, thats out of my scope"
this guy gets it
I laugh every time I see Tyler "kick" Rich out of the car show 😂😂😂
what the ... Inja! stop watching the videos i watch..... "thanks" 🤣
Stop getting tricked by Chinese companies 😂
@@VinceTheCreatorr someone say Han Tony ? 😆
i hear han tony is a great guy actually, very good businessman
- Sent from Han Tony's iPhone
Is there any backstory at all to this clip or did rich just record it for fun?
One of the most excellent, relevant, informative, and interesting vid's I've seen in a long time. Had no idea that Tesla's can lose a few modules and yet the car, and Tesla, advise to replace the entire battery pack. Wow. Related: your garage has an incredible future. If I was an investor, I'd be asking to get onboard now- you guys are going to be huge.
Right to repair is crucial, all types of products are being made with planned obsolescence & un-repairable which is not even sustainable. They could build cars that last for decades if profitability & sales didn't play a role
The feeling of ownership just isn’t there either on anything anymore
Have right to repair. Seems like expectation is for companies to subsidize repair shops.
@@markmckinley5989 not at all. the only thing we want is the release of schematics and parts. neither if these things need to be free, they just need to be available, something that is not the case now.
@@Carterthielftw_ Lots of that stuff is available from third parties who have made the investment to reverse engineer. The shops of both of these guys show it can be done. If the open source type idea is so good why is no company doing it? I understand the frustration. I fixed consumer electronics for many years.
@@markmckinley5989 the investment to reverse engineer stuff is exactly the point here. It’s so bad that in order to find a way to fix things you have to invest time and money to try to reverse engineer some stupid product, but all that would not have to be done if manufacturers were required to sell spare parts and make schematics accessible.
Im glad that there are influential people like you and Louis and some tech review channels that are vocal about right to repair
Man, I hope I can rely on y’all when my Tesla finally needs a repair! 😭 You guys are awesome.
@Terry Winderweedle alright
I was so hesitant to purchase a Tesla for the longest time, because I was always worried about being able to get it fixed after the warranty ends. When I noticed you guys were in the New England area, I started dancing in the middle of Dunkin
It’s an 8 year warranty...what exactly was your concern?? PS it’s only a year later, have you noticed how Tesla’s service centers have proliferated? And they come to your house for most things. And as for this video, battery prices have plummeted. Rich was all about click bait.
@@johncahill3644replacement for a Tesla battery goes wrong it’s 13k on a Tesla 3
@@johncahill36448 years or 150k miles. There are people that drive 120,000-150,000 miles in 5-7 years lol
Maybe that’s your same rational logical part of your brain telling you it’s still not a good idea to buy one
Funny thing is it's just not a Tesla problem. All car companies have destroyed your ability to get your car fixed at a reasonable rate. It's buy design , so you have to buy a new one.
RIGHT TO REPAIR is EVERYTHING. Monopoly is only fun as a game... not in reality.
STEVONNNNNN doing the lords work
You guys are the real mvp for Tesla
Good job stevon
🙏
Monopoly is a masochists game. It's never fun, I don't know why people play it. Everyone makes up their own rules.
Really interesting clip, Great to see your dedication to champion right for repair. As a mechanic (not EV) I can see the point of Tesla wanting to change the whole pack, ensuring no comebacks if another part of the original battery cell fails in the weeks or months after a partial replacement, a big job to do it all over again. I also totally understand from an owners perspective to opt for the repairs shown, which were professionally performed by your shop. I was wondering what happens to the battery waste, and whether this will become a bigger issue into the future. Thanks for the education.
Can't even lie. Rich got me into EV single handedly, and think I click on his vid by mistake. Crazy
Evs suck and are not sustainable.
I have a similar problem in England. The heater matrix on my Mitsubishi Outlander Phev is clogged up. It is out of warranty. The dealer wants £6000 to replace it. The genuine part is £150 on eBay but no one wants to work on an electric car. The forums say it is due to the castings not being cleaned out at manufacture. Mitsubishi don’t want to know.
Keep up the good work. Informative video.
Been watching Rossman for a few years now I love that he's advocating for right to repair and I'm glad yall are collaborating. Love the videos Rich.
I had extreme Tesla Envy until I started watching your videos. I still have misty eyes when I see one drive by or lined up at the Supercharger. Then I remember what a hassle it is to own one and I can shake it off. Thank you for the reality.
Total hassle, Really! Do not buy one. Do yourself a favor and buy a much better Porsche Taycan. Or if you got a Dollar more a Rimac Nevera. Much better cars then Tesla! Really! I know it! I‘ve fetched my third on saturday.
That's Rich business model in a nutshell. Pretend to be a Tesla supporter and then make sure you'll never buy one. He got you good. The fact is, the vast majority of Tesla owners are exceptionaly happy with their purchase.
Soo many other good EVs out there. Nissan Leaf is doing VERY well and a good cheap competitor. Rivian finally delivered their first factory car to a consumer! Tesla is getting good competition! I still love my MX but in 2024 I'm looking forward to theVolkswagon EV Van!
@@craigchatterton4164 Every electric car is a good car! Ok one exemption: The JAC. Be happy you will not gat that thing in the US. And the Suda. And the Wuling. Ok, i guess you get my intentions.
It is not a hassle to own a Tesla. I have had one for more than two years. I have charged at home 99% of the time and spent zero dollars on service. Nothing has ever gone wrong with the car and I have no service scheduled. It's the safest, fastest. cleanest, smartest car ever made. I guess there is no pleasing some people.
I can relate to the parts finding discussion. I just work on my stuff and sometimes for friends and family. I have replaced several cracked screens on laptops and finding a replacement part is the most challenging aspect of the whole process.
Any way to tell if Tesla put a used battery in my Model S? If there a date stamping on the case or anything else to tell? (I know they put used tires on my car once.)
Was it a brand new car off the lot?
They do. There was a rep that confirmed it.
So good too see Louis here!!! Im a longtime fan of his, the guy is my hero.
I think Louis wears eye make up. I know he supports the "right to re-wear," as well.
The reason Apple and Tesla can get away with this is because their customers enjoy getting bent over the table. Quit buying their products and their attitude will change real quick.
Pretty sure it’s almost ALL companies. Otherwise it wouldn’t be called Right to Repair. It would be called Boycott Apple and Tesla. I run a repair shop and as bad as Apple can be they pale in comparison to almost anyone else. Nobody makes it simple to just get parts. You gotta get things yourself. At least there is a thriving industry of aftermarket parts built around Apple. Samsung won’t even fix there own stuff. It’s like buying a Tesla and then Tesla not fixing their own stuff.
@@CallMrPC I can get virtually any part for a ford, chevy, or toyota and install it in my garage. You can't say that about Tesla.
I can buy a Samsung phone for $100 that will probably last longer than an Apple. It's cheap enough to throw away when it breaks.
Confused. My comment was maybe that you didn’t understand right to repair. Nobody is doing is correctly in the tech industry hence then push for right to repair legislation. The same exists for farm equipment. So while I would love to sit and argue about what company is better…. That’s NOT the point. Samsung is just as lousy at this as Apple. That’s the entire point of the video. The legislation is meant for new technology. Not stuff that’s been around for 30 years and everyone already knows how to repair.
@@CallMrPC I understand right to repair very well. You want the government to bail out consumers that buy stuff from companies with lousy service. As I thought I had made quite clear. If customers would stop buying products from companies with crappy service than the companies would change. I would never buy a car from a company like Tesla that has the worst service reputation of any car company.
@@jimfarmer7811 Ok cool I give up. Conversation is nigh impossible without hearing and listening. Never told you to buy a Tesla. I simply said all companies nowadays are equally just as horrible. You’d literally boycott everyone. But again man it’s cool. The Internet has lowered the expectations for what conversation is.
Rich literally stopped me buying a Tesla 😂, thanks! I don’t want to deal with a company that has no respect for customers.
You really think you'll do better with the other OEMs?
@nsanef I'm with you I'm glad I caught this. Had to be Divine Providence. My mind was wandering and thinking more and more towards Tesla.
*"Not Now"* !!!
@@DavidHRyall the right to repair is a basic standard every manufacturer should follow, I know cars aren’t being purchased in the same way and this is changing to a model similar to mobile phones but Tesla take the piss. Everyone has seen apple’s mode of a closed ecosystem and everyone wants to copy, forgetting apple feeds a market and practices infanticide.
Electric I like the Porch tycan you own it and parts are better available, granted to get molested when you first purchase it either the options list but you are free after that.
@@icost4671 I like the product but it’s the way it’s run like a little mafia pay up being the answer to every problem. I love the Porch ev range the new off-road looks the part like the tycan at the high end but the Kia as a city car looks promising.
I’m not rich but I do decide who I spend my time and money with, can’t in all good consciousness spend any money with Tesla.
@@nsanef I'm loving that black wing 6-speed standard Cadillac , I'm not rich neither but my credit rating will let me get that. If I do get it it's going to be a big cut back on everything. My 38-in waist will probably be down to 32-28 within the first year , without any exercise. LoL
Folks, if you like peace of mind about your battery (longevity & safety), for years to come, just charge your EV between 30% - 70% (and do 90% - 100% when going for a long Road Trip).
(I own Tesla S & X, and I'm an Electrical Engineer)
* High temperatures kill batteries. If you go on a holiday/vacation during the summer, leave your vehicle at a low SOC (state of charge). For example, at or below 30% SOC
* Cycle within a narrow SOC range. For example: 40-60% rather than 10-80%. The cathode expands and contracts in a wider SOC range, which causes it to break apart.
* On that note: The lower the narrower the SOC range, the better. That means charging frequently.
* Avoid charging the vehicle above 75% SOC. Above 75% side reactions start occuring that cause degradation. This also reduces the volume expansion issues mentioned
* Taking all variables into account, operating between 45-70% SOC, and storage at ~30% is ideal.
* Occasional high SOC and wide SOC range are okay! For example, the occasional road trip.
* With good thermal management hardware and battery management software, supercharging should have minimal negative effects on cycle life
But even y'all will not follow those tips. The battery will not die tomorrow. it is just that there are some small (or big) consequences later on.
Have a great day
Thanks for the tip sir! If i may, i live in Australia and just got a model 3 rwd which has LFP battery, is there any advise you can give me for temperature? Here in Australia is really hot during the summer normally goes up to 95F (35C) during the daytime. If i park the car during summer with roughly about 70-90% SOC, will it affect battery health?
Currently Im maintaining SOC to 70-90% (charging everyday or two) while charging it to 100% once or twice a week. Thank you!
@@sjcir
* How long is the 95F per day?
* Does your car always outside (24/7)?
* How will you charge your EV (Supercharger only, or Level 1/2 only, or both)?
* Will you use it for short drives most of the time or long drives (per day)?
* How long do you think you'll keep it before you will buy a new one?
(Again, my suggestion of 30% - 70% for regular day charging is still the best way to keep a healthy battery)
@@cliffm8846 thanks for quick reply! So basically, it's mostly intense during 12pm-4pm during summer, other times pretty moderately.
And it sits around 6hours per day, normally ill park underground parking.
Here in Sydney Australia, we don't have much superchargers like other countries so basically ill be relying on lvl2 chargers (11-22kwh) 99%of times.
And not planning other cars at the moment! Probably keep this one for 5+yrs :) thank you!!
@@sjcir
So, the car will experience 4 hours of quite hot weather per day in the summer time, but in the rest of the year the temperature is good for the battery.
Also, if you don't drive more than 50 miles per day (350 Miles per week), and always in underground parking, that will be good for your car.
Level 2 charging is perfect, as that's what I use for all my EVs, inside my garage.
Only charge it to 80 - 100% when you're going for a long Road Trip.
But remember to only charge it only to 100% before you will leave for that trip, and IF you need some juice, the maximum should be is 80%, and then when you're back to your place, you can do again your 30% - 70% routine.
And if you will follow that religiously, your car battery and even the whole car will be with you for years to come...
Have a great day & God bless!
@@cliffm8846 thats so kind and welcoming, thank you so much i really appreciate it! You have a wonderful day!
I just bought a 2017 Lincoln Continental in near perfect condition for $18,900. The battery works great.
You’re the man rich. I’ll keep you guys in mind. My parents have the very first Tesla X in our area so it’s closing in on that time. They’re a bit older and traditional and most likely will go to Tesla for everything. I have to keep an eye on them.
You seem like a very liable option. Props to your shop
I love all the RUclipsrs are coming together to make videos. Super cool to see
I just got my 1969 Cadillac Eldorado back from the dealer after owning it for just 2 weeks before finding a slow leak out of the gas tank. Sure it was under warranty so I didnt have to pay anything to have the gas tank replaced….but to see that invoice quite literally shocked the shit out of me. This car is fully loaded. Automatic leveling and smooth as silk driving. First US manufactured car with front wheel drive and anti-locking brakes. Stereo with no tooth. But when I saw that invoice man I paid nearly $5,000for the car new but replacing that gas tank would have been $4,500 were it not under warranty. What a shock. I will never buy a Cadillac again in my life. Highway robbery. Next trip in my new car….Hwy 66, back to home, from LA to Kalamazoo Michigan. I’ll never move back to California either because of all those damn regulations. I get 10 miles per gallon and I’ll pay nearly a whole month’s wages ($72) to drive this damn thing to Kalamazoo. Were it not for all those pollution controls (WTF is a caddilatic converter?) I’d probably be getting 30 miles per gallon if I didnt have that damn thing. I just hope to god I make it back to Kalamazoo without that damn Caddilactic converter going out. They tell me to replace that would cost $10,000. Just glad I have a 24 month warranty on this beast….But I LOVE the ride. They tell me I can sell the Caddilactic converter when I get back to Kalamazoo for the Plutonium the government uses to make them for $5,000. 😅
As a Tesla owner in Florida, thank you for all that you do! If I ever need major work, I will definitely come to you!
I would have happily watched an hour long video on this topic. This is absolutely fascinating for those of us who have no understanding of fully electric vehicles.
Excellent educational video! Very informative!
I completely disagree with everything you say here... Tesla is not like any of these other brands it's not like apple it's not like any other brand out there... Tesla will be having full self driving vehicles and by you touching the electronics and batteries and components you could be compromising the entire system and could cause the death of a person unwittingly... When full self driving is initiated they will be ensuring the vehicles themselves think about that for half a second... If you are insuring a vehicle yourself then do you want other people being able to touch your components and work on them absolutely not you're going to only have them worked on by your technicians... You like the fundamental processing power of your brain to understand this... By doing this you keep another vehicle from being electrified... There's a limited supply of batteries the batteries are better served electrifying the system then this other Tesla will be sold at a cheaper rate now it would be sold at a higher rate and now it's out of reach to those at the lower end you're completely destroying the entire cycle and further pushing the win of fossil fuels without even having the processing power to even understand it.
Garbage tiny mindsets at work Phawking shit up!
That's not even the tip of that iceberg......
Companies like apple and tesla have several shell (fake) businesses registered. What they do is take the stuff you throw away for like free or extremely cheap and give to their parent companies .
English that laptop you true because it had a little HDD issue, has 99.91% parts working absolutely fine.
You gave it to to some aftermarket shop or some person on eBay, ultimately it goes to Apple where 99.2% of parts are recovered.
Exactly same does tesla.
If the dealer just replaced the bad cells and six months later some more cells failed (which is very possible since cells have already failed), the customer would want it fixed for free since "You just worked on my battery!!". I have had the same situation when replacing motor brushes instead of the whole motor in the automatic door trade, which caused a new policy by the company I worked for. Change the whole motor from now on. Trying to save the customer money by doing a lower level repair usually backfires.
My car had lifetime after market battery they replaced it no problem but the replacement battery did not get the same warranty
Doesn’t help that 99% of people don’t think it’s lots of little batteries.
Bs. The dealer just has to be absolutely clear about the repair, just as this company is. "U can have it replaced, 22k and warrantied, or for ~7k we replace the cells but will guarantee only the new cells." Wrote, signed, legal.
@@Staples-Kingexactly. Make them sign a piece of paper that clearly states their decision and make them read it out loud to you.
Thanks for continuing the right-to-repair fight! It's so important. It's frustrating to see perfectly good parts/devices being thrown away.
As The Car Wizard says, "I didn't say a cheap price, I said a fair price." The price to fix this sort of issue sounds exceptionally fair, and I don't know why people wouldn't support you. Hell, if you open one up in the Sacramento, CA area, I'll definitely put my application in as an office body and apprentice technician.
Louis and rich are my heroes glad you guys have such resilience.
They are helping the foolish who were caught up in the funk of the proprietary brands. The man in the black turtle neck or the billionaire who owns X. I'm not buying into the cult so I don't have these issues.
Tesla and Apple are laughing all the way to the bank
they got me with that same problem except unfortunately it was an all electric ford focus I took the car there three times over the past two years with battery problems but every time they said no problems. I got an error code that said see manual, towed it to the shop they said im sorry the ion battery is done, and your warranty went out earlier this year "sorry dude". What can I do to get this hooked up.
Sue them for neglecting your right of waranty. Depending on where you live, you, as a paying customer, also has a right on waranty on repairs. If the repair has been done improperly so the problem still persists, they can't claim expired warranty since you informed the dealership about the problem within warrenty terms. Not your fault it takes them so long to fix
I was on a fence about buying an used Model S but now I'm more than motivated again cuz I know that there is a place to have it repaired in case something happens 👍👍👍 Thanks Rich🙏🙏
Niko Omilana as the Apple employee. Love that guy's stunts
NDL
Great that you did this, but what about the 14 remaining original modules? I'd be worried about them failing as well in the near future and that $5k being only a temporary fix.
When you do this kind of repair, you know its just temporary repair, cause those battery packs have been used since 2013-2014
Not everyone has the money to replace all of the modules. Sure, another one could fail tomorrow, but for the person who bought a used 2013 Model S and didn't have the money for a completely new pack, this is a nice option to have.
@@StephenPace1 "Sure, another one could fail tomorrow"
Exactly the point, someone may spend $5k and only months later could be up for another $5k with more bad modules. The person who can't afford that full $22.5k for a full module replacement certainly can't afford to make such risky $5k investments either.
The real problem is the replacement modules from Tesla costing as much as they do. They are indirectly obstructing the right to repair.
if each module is $1.5k, it's still cheaper to replace each module individually as they fail than to replace the entire battery. 14*$1.5k is $21k.
@@dogestronaut See video at 6.00. There are 16 modules not 14 = $24k and that is the module cost replacement NOT including fitting costs. Including fitting costs: 2 modules = $5k, so to replace 16 modules would be $40k.
I love this video. I am a service tech in the automotive field, and you hit the nail right on the head. Getting manufactures to release info is a pain in the ass. Another thing they are doing is trade marking parts. That is holding up a lot of things. I do hope that you make a video touching on that. Thanks for the grate video Rich.
louis gave you respect for the incredible tindr episode with stevon stealing your girl and then rich stealing her mom and the car
Just saw Vice did an article on you. They weirdly have more plugs to Hoovie and his Channel ( not even mentioning yours??? ) but the rest of the article was solidly about you Rich! Keep doing your thing man!
you know why
I don't own an EV, but I'm glad I'm aware of some of the repair pitfalls before I buy one. Thanks to you guys. 👍
Tesla =/= all EVs
The entire EV rise is only a hobby for the rich who want to feel superior "saving the environment" when ev is the exact opposite. They're not a serious thing, and will not be the future. Tesla are government owned vehicles, not profitable without subsidies etc. subsidies is the only reason tesla is profitable, at all even in history.
@@dogestronaut But all ev's have these issues. It is inherent in large high power batteries.
@olstar18 there have been Nissan Leafs on the road for over a decade with no problems. Not all EVs have problems with their battery, just like not all ICEV have problems with their engines.
@@dogestronaut Define problem. Some people losing 20% of the battery charge isn't a problem others its a serious one. And when you have to replace it the price is as much or more than the value of the vehicle. As I said. It is inherent in large high power batteries.
Unless the battery has some longer warranty, like 5 years or 100,000 miles, even at $12k, probably not worth it. Yes the Tesla battery may cost $22k but it may also have a very long warranty, like 10 years or 200,000 miles. People need to weigh those things out. Not to mention that if you have a problem while on the road, if you have a battery that is under warranty by Tesla, likely they will take care of most of the things for you (towing the vehicle to the nearest dealership and getting the thing replaced, although that alone might take a while considering parts availablity on some things) but also keep in mind not every dealer (and most repair shops) can't, don't or won't work on an electric car so it's not like taking in your typical gas car and getting it repaired and your on your way. But even if you have a warranty from a refurbished manufacturer, that may only cover the battery itself, not the labor to install it or to have your car towed. So don't be fooled just by the sticker price.
22k is literally another car. Only a fool would pay that much for repair on a part that is absolutely guaranteed to wear out. But it's also a Tesla which are scams on wheels, so people get what they pay for I guess.
Thank you Rich. I am really happy there is someone it there like you advocating for Tesla owners like nobody else is willing to do. Keep up the good work
That 14 dollars left in your checking account could buy a pretty decent webcam. Said webcam could open you up to different ventures, something for fans only.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I've been watching you for years and Louis is correct, you're an amazing story teller who really made me realize how bad the repair issues were with Tesla. Your honesty and channel helped me to understand how bad the issue was and how easily it could be rectified. This isn't just a consumer issue, this IS an environmental issue as vehicles that could easily be repaired are often totalled by insurance companies because there is a severe lack of third party repair facilities for Tesla vehicles including body shops. This IS good for Tesla but bad for the consumers and the environment because perfectly services and repairable vehicles are being sent to dismantlers where there isn't a market currently for those parts. Thanks for doing what you do.
Tesla and Environment. Who would have guessed.
So apparently this "fix" broke like 3 months later. Tesla's policy of only replacing the entire battery pack is too extreme and definitely motivated by greed, but not entirely. Cells this old should not be replaced one at a time.
Rich!! Again, a GREAT job!! And you got Rossmann to make a guest appearance!! Winner! Winner!! Please keep fighting the good fight for the Right to Repair!!!!!!
it's okay, Rich. I just got a call about my car's extended warranty. The guy said it'll take care of all of the problems on my 1988 Buick, so it should cover your newer Teslas.
I am purchasing my first Tesla now. I am happy I found this amazing team. Please keep it up. You have my full support. And if your hiring, I’m in !. I’m from New Jersey. Great work guys .
Good info, knowledge needed for the future of EV cars. Very good job on this video, thank you. We have only owned hybrids for eco value, not for sny political reasons. We cant afford the high priced repairs or costs. We ar ed a different generation so we lean to the old school side of gasoline and diesel engine cars/trucks. This video helps everyone to understand the path to the all electric car world. Nice, thanks. Please do more of these ev videos.
Battery cells weaken in time in a pack equally as a unit in a vehicle, sure I would pay the 5 G’s but quickly will sell the car and buy a newer one before other cells begin to degrade over time and get jacked another 5’ G”s. Replacing a couple packs doesn’t renew the rest of the remaining ones, just buys you time. I’ve driven Priuses for the last 10yrs.
Took me a while scrolling down to find this comment. That's exactly the problem with this kind of repair. And it was already more than one block, this shows how closely they degrade.
Right to repair is a huge issue in the farming industry, the same things are going on with agricultural equipment
There's a great documentary on Netflix (forgot the name) about this issue. Mind boggling what those farmers are dealing with.
This is surprising! Farm equipment should be repairable with a spoon or a Swiss Army knife and last forever!
I completely disagree with everything you say here... Tesla is not like any of these other brands it's not like apple it's not like any other brand out there... Tesla will be having full self driving vehicles and by you touching the electronics and batteries and components you could be compromising the entire system and could cause the death of a person unwittingly... When full self driving is initiated they will be ensuring the vehicles themselves think about that for half a second... If you are insuring a vehicle yourself then do you want other people being able to touch your components and work on them absolutely not you're going to only have them worked on by your technicians... You like the fundamental processing power of your brain to understand this... By doing this you keep another vehicle from being electrified... There's a limited supply of batteries the batteries are better served electrifying the system then this other Tesla will be sold at a cheaper rate now it would be sold at a higher rate and now it's out of reach to those at the lower end you're completely destroying the entire cycle and further pushing the win of fossil fuels without even having the processing power to even understand it.
The irony is that while most ice vehicle fans site this as reasons to avoid electric vehicles, all other car makers are doing similar things now to limit the amount that can be repaired by independent shops or by the owners themselves. No matter what type of enthusiast you are, in every industry, right to repair regulation needs to happen to protect consumers.
Fortunately those ICEs are way less complicated than EVs, also ICEs doesn't such complicated electronics tbh.
I completely disagree with everything you say here... Tesla is not like any of these other brands it's not like apple it's not like any other brand out there... Tesla will be having full self driving vehicles and by you touching the electronics and batteries and components you could be compromising the entire system and could cause the death of a person unwittingly... When full self driving is initiated they will be ensuring the vehicles themselves think about that for half a second... If you are insuring a vehicle yourself then do you want other people being able to touch your components and work on them absolutely not you're going to only have them worked on by your technicians... You like the fundamental processing power of your brain to understand this... By doing this you keep another vehicle from being electrified... There's a limited supply of batteries the batteries are better served electrifying the system then this other Tesla will be sold at a cheaper rate now it would be sold at a higher rate and now it's out of reach to those at the lower end you're completely destroying the entire cycle and further pushing the win of fossil fuels without even having the processing power to even understand it!
Wow, your conversation with Louis was so enlightening! I don't need a repair yet, but I'm always looking for the person with the best deal. Hopefully, if I ever need a repair on my Tesla battery, someone will be able to replace parts vs the whole battery like you did. Thank you for this conversation. I didn't know it worked this way.
I like Lewis Rosmans channel. I like it because of what he's doing, I like it because he isnt taking crap from them and he is standing up for all of us. I'm not an apple fan I don't need to know the in and outs of apple products and what my repair options are.
Louis raises a good point. I don't own a car and have no interest in electric cars. I only know that Tesla is a terrible brand for after sales service because of you Rich. Great content as always 😊
I love how Rich has a bunk bed in the back of his zoom frame
you have all my favourite people on this channel. Hoovie and Louis! Will the Car Wizard make an appearance. ??
I was also very surprised to see them three all at once 🤣
Louis is so passionate about his business and right to repair. Love his stuff. Cool to see you guys having a chat….it’s always fun when two different channels I follow collaborate.
I would have never known about right to repair without seeing Louis videos and now it’s the 2nd most important issue that I care about right now.
What's the first?
@@DroptheBassForJesusSake prolly climate change?
@@DroptheBassForJesusSake watch kurtis bautes video of "why I'm blocking a pipeline with my body" climate change is far more bigger a problem than how big it seems already
I completely disagree with everything you say here... Tesla is not like any of these other brands it's not like apple it's not like any other brand out there... Tesla will be having full self driving vehicles and by you touching the electronics and batteries and components you could be compromising the entire system and could cause the death of a person unwittingly... When full self driving is initiated they will be ensuring the vehicles themselves think about that for half a second... If you are insuring a vehicle yourself then do you want other people being able to touch your components and work on them absolutely not you're going to only have them worked on by your technicians... You like the fundamental processing power of your brain to understand this... By doing this you keep another vehicle from being electrified... There's a limited supply of batteries the batteries are better served electrifying the system then this other Tesla will be sold at a cheaper rate now it would be sold at a higher rate and now it's out of reach to those at the lower end you're completely destroying the entire cycle and further pushing the win of fossil fuels without even having the processing power to even understand it!
@@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler what Louis and rich are fighting for is for certified technicians having the tools and information to work on the car without having to jump through impossible hoops. This isnt just a right to repair in ur backyard shade tree mechanic. This is about not letting ANY third party mechanic shop work on it, by withholding information or threatening to disable supercharging, even if they are certified or have even worked at tesla before. I understand your sentiment of the self driving system and it being compromised. But these cars are test driven by certified and licensed mechanics and they make sure the autopilot systems run fine and even if they dont, autopilot has contingency of contingencies for safety. Going further into the future and the movement towards EV, we cannot have a monopoly on repair because it has already shown that they will abuse it.
Just curious, what is the likelihood of other cells dying relatively soon if the whole battery isn’t replaced? I don’t know much about EV batteries, but if certain cells started to die due to their age, and it cost $5k just to replace the couple that went bad now, if the whole battery isn’t replaced, it seems possible that you might run into more and more of the cells dying over time. Am I missing something?
Btw, Louis was totally right at the end of the video about the story telling aspects of spreading awareness of repairability. You guys are both great storytellers - keep up the awesome work!! 👍👍👍
Ronnzi
Pity you have had no answer yet to your very valid question. I would be very interested in the answer.
Yes, 5000 for replacing bad battery cells with good but used ones doesn't seem cheap at all. When for 4x of that you can have whole new battery (original battery is 8 years old). Of course, if you just don't have extra 20000, then it is probably better alternative than not having running car at all.
25K is the better long term fix but Hoovies has so many cars that 5K fix was the better move.If this was your only car then make 25k move. In fact, you can probably get a free older Tesla from people who don’t want to pay the 25K.
In the Philippines there are battery repair shops who would repair industrial lead acid batteries example stand-up electric driven forklift by performing what is called "sectional repair" meaning one or two cells are defective and needed to be replaced with new battery cells.The repaired battery would run for a another year or more. If the number of defective cells are numerous, the shop would recommend outrighr full replatement using equivalent brands of positive and negative plates and the "remanufactured" battery would run for two years or more. The cost is a fraction of a OEM supplied battery. The logic behind this effort is to enable the unit owner (example if unit is for rental) to earn and raise the amount he needs to buy a new OEM battery that has a service life of 5 years.
Man this channel went from a cool channel to a channel I look forward to every Sunday! Keep it up!
Hey Rich, could the sagging cells just have been ‘snipped’ so that the entire module did not have to be replaced.
There is one independent shop that cuts the leads to the bad cell and sends the car on its way. Cutting off one cell out of 7k won’t really affect your mileage, plus you don’t have the expense of the entire module.
Interesting. I've never heard of this route. Which shop does it this way?
@@RobTowne Gruber Motors. They did a video explaining this.
But why?
I'd rather have a newer module than the old one with a few cells snipped, *especially* since the company doing the snipping is also charging $5K.
If anything this video demonstrated why the snipping service is gouging people. The bulk ($4K) of Electrified Garage's $5K bill to the customer was parts. As you aren't getting any parts replaced w/ the snipping company, that is just massive profit to them.
@@beyerch correct. If they just snipped out the bad cells, the repair would have been way cheaper! I would rather just pay $1,000(estimating) in labor and lose a few miles, than spend $5k on a $20k-ish vehicle.
@@fatwajim Unless something has changed, they are charging $5K to *snip* out the bad cells. If they are now charging $1K to just snip out some cells, then that would be a better deal.
Right to repair is eco friendly unlike throwing away an entire motherboard or battery and them selling you a new whole one
Most people do not know this about the batteries in a Tesla or other electric cars. the battery pack is made up of 21700 cells, so in many cases a battery pack may have some bad cells in it and to replace them it is about $3-$4 a cell, even if you need 100 cells it is about $400 + labor.
In the near future there will be many shops that will refurbish battery packs for Tesla and the cost of each refurbish pack may go down to a few hundred $dollars.
I work at a 3rd party apple certified repair center and working with and through apple is some of the most frustrating shit you could imagine.
That's not even the tip of that iceberg......
Companies like apple and tesla have several shell (fake) businesses registered. What they do is take the stuff you throw away for like free or extremely cheap and give to their parent companies .
English that laptop you true because it had a little HDD issue, has 99.91% parts working absolutely fine.
You gave it to to some aftermarket shop or some person on eBay, ultimately it goes to Apple where 99.2% of parts are recovered.
Rich: I'm not gonna mention the guy who threw me out of the event
Rich: showing a images nd videos of the said person that kicked him out
And fixes his Tesla.
Yea it was a friendly banter
How long does a cell/module based fix last? Aren't the tolerances on cell balancing insanely tight?
I have a 2014 Tesla Model S85. New battery pack under warranty installed 25k miles ago in 2019. 70K total miles now. Battery worked perfectly, then had the infotainment upgrade installed by my local tesla service center here in las vegas nevada, then all of a sudden they tell me my battery is shot and has an "internal fault" and now my max charge is 34%. Tesla wants $19K to replace the battery now. Would LOVE to find a shop like this near me... so far no luck! Any suggestions or referrals would be greatly appreciated! I'm willing to drive to california/arizona if that is where a good shop is.
IF YOU PAY $22,500 FOR A BATTERY IT SHOULD LAST 2 YEARS BEFORE NEEDING TO BE CHARGED
Louis Rossmann knows the flute playing guy, finally this has taken so long to be in a video.
Amazing video, and thank you so much for hammering home why right to repair is so important, particularly for electric vehicles!!
Your complaint about apple I didn’t like apple for years for lots of different reasons but I’ve learned to like apple for a couple good reasons
1. Apple stands behind there product software you can still get updates after a year or more.
2. You can get repair parts for older devices you may have to buy a few extra pieces hooked together but you usually can get it to work. Other companies I’ve had devices from it didn’t matter if it was a week old or 20 years old you weren’t getting any parts at any price anytime ever.
The complaint’s that you had to get a whole screen instead of just a part of a screen which was glued together and took a lot of skill to separate the pieces without breaking everything and I think they got sued a few times is why they quit selling the parts. I still have an old iPod that works it’s not very loud and doesn’t have much memory I also have a couple of larger ones with some problems I thought about trying to fix them but what’s the point they have no speakers no internet and only about 1 megabytes of memory. So I upgraded to a iPhone 14 pro max with a Terabyte of memory I have unlimited internet and my plan came with Apple Music the old apps I used to use don’t let you play your music anymore so I downloaded most of my favorite music so I can still play whenever I want even with no services and it’s loud enough I don’t have to use earbuds anymore.
But the trouble I see with your cars is there like all the other electronics companies if it brakes in a short time they will give you a new one after a year or two forget it even parts are next to impossible to get and since we don’t make anything here good luck getting the parts from china 😂