The analogy with a gas can was perfect. Other than the $3600 price difference. I know, I know; you gotta do what you gotta do for sponsors. But for $3600 a tow company will send a truck and a limo to pick me up.
Ben, a 7KW generator (gas/propane) is about $700 at Costco. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the video and the way it charged the car blew me away. Now; there is a $6K and 70 miles difference between the Model 3 standard and long range. how many miles would the ECOFLOW give you if you give it an hour to charge?
This is cool, but as far as a backup charger for emergencies goes I'm not too sold on it ever being that useful, especially at the current price point. However I can still see it being useful as a travel buddy for camping etc. The only real world scenario I can think of where you could run out of power would be if you got stuck in heavy unexpected traffic. Especially in my country where we have a ton of v2 chargers on every gass station etc. it's almost impossible to ever run out of juice outside of traffic.
The charging while driving is cool. I know the Tesla engineers are somewhere having a conniption fit over seeing you rolling through the streets with the trunk up and cord hanging out which is hilarious.
@@BenSullinsOfficial wait, what? In another reply here under this video someone said you could press the charge door button? Is that not the case? Because I absolutely want to tow a trailer that has its own custom battery and inverter and play with range extending on my CyberTruck... Without having to directly tap the trucks HV lines, which I've done in a Prius PHEV conversion over a decade ago.
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@@D0li0 afaik no car allows charging while driving....
@ That is simply a safety interlock software issue. Thanks for the observation all the same. If a trailer with batteries were more common, I have friends who have built such a thing, then OEMs may offer such a feature. Baring that, one might need to tap directly into the battery HV contacts, which is how those friends I've mentioned did it.
Great video. Jehu has a great channel as well and I love it when you guys collaborate. I like Jehu's suggestion that all houses should have a transfer switch installed.
Those EcoFlow batteries look perfect for a Motor Coach that is boondocking. Get a series of them going and they can supplement the so much. Especially with the solar panel set up.
I believe it’s a lot easier to plan your trip so that you don’t run out of electricity rather than carrying around those big batteries in your car which of course take up space.
Currently for US as long as your car has around 250-300 miles range, dc fast charge, and the chargers you go to aren't broke, you won't need these for most trips.
@@snuggles03 I'm in Australia and you're right, for some specific remote routes the infrastructure is not there yet, and this would be a very handy thing to take with you (assuming they made it available in other countries with localised socket types, etc). But most of the high traffic urban and regional routes are covered with DC fast chargers.
You'd think that, but: Murphy's law. Anything that can go wrong *will* go wrong. You might plan your trip to not need a backup solution, but it's possible for that trip plan to fail, and trip plan B to also fail, as well as trip plan C.
There is a video showing a couple of guys towing identical 10,000 lb trailers. One towed with a Ford Lighting EV the other a GMC gas truck. The on board computer of the Ford said he could go 160 miles. He only got 86 miles, because of a 7 mph headwind. He had to turn around and return to a charging station 5 miles back. It took him 40 mins for a 75% charge. Both returned to the starting point where the gas truck still showed 1/4 of a tank and it took only 7 mins to fill up.
I would imagine they can’t weigh more then 100-150 pounds, so only like driving with a passenger. From my experience there isn’t really a difference in range when I have one other passenger.
A very good thought and thank you , Richard Fox 👍 I don't carry a gas can , but when I do get my Toyota Tacoma EV, I will have one of those on me at all times. 🧐
Yes very handy if stuck remote areas,,in Bush, Very expensive battery thou food for powerstation running off grid houses n camping etc also, Would be wet interesting see how much battery NRG you lose towing your caravans etc n if the battery you showing is useful to have recharging an how often recharging electric vehicles towing caravans trailers etc very handy thou as mentioned above especially in remote areas,, price is heavy on Pocket but a eye opener for possible scaling down prices searching for cheaper same quality battery performance etc,, having a power station on board is required these days important,so this is good idea being the first to show everyone,now all can find cheaper options now public been shown how to have back up power when Empty, Great video, openings options to making it affordable is next vids I predicting,maybe you can make another showing all public cheaper options that work same n how much NRG lost when towing caravans etc must be certain levels weights that's will drain n drain battery less ,, Keep up your good work mate 😀🙏😇,
You can keep it for home use except for (camping) trips. The light weight solar panels will end the issue when in sunny climbs. This will work great when I retire.
i believe if the S sucked every ounce of juice from that portable it would have 10-15 miles of range, not sure how long that would take (Delta Pro is 3.6kWh)
@@mattydomingo I agree, a 3.6 KWH inverter, charging at full blast was adding 10 Miles per hour range according to his car, and with a 3.6KWH battery, it would therefore add around 10 miles. Probably a little bit less as the 3.6KWH rating of the battery is likely not a C1 rate, and there would be some inefficiencies in the inverting as well.
The real fun actually starts as soon as the 12V battery is flat as well, the hood is closed, the electric hood lock engaged and the electric parking brake is engaged as well. James May made this experience with his Model S. There, the whole story starts with getting access to the 12V battery, charging it, and only after that, charging the traction battery. Ben was clever enough to avoid this in his experiment. :-)
what are you saying lol. The 12V battery does not die when the car battery dies. The 12V battery is charged constantly to 100% by the main battery and when you drive the car to 0% the 12V does not get used. This is a safety feature, everything like doors, locks, changing gears, and yes the trunk is run off the 12v and so the only reason the 12v would die is if it was faulty , but tesla already prepared for this predicament and anytime the 12v is not in good health the car will not even let you drive it in most cases so you can get it changed. Also most gas cars use a 12V for everything now and a 12V in a gas car is much more likely to die. Same scenario with cars that have an electronic gas cap and electronic trunk, they would not even be able to fill up. At least the tesla has a manual door release and manual charge port release (no power required). James made this scenario exactly how it would play out, you are driving and your main battery dies, 12v can last weeks without being charged because it powers low power items and so he goes to charge the main battery. Completely real scenario of which yours was not real and highly highly unlikely as the driver would have had to ignore the 12V service message the car would have thrown prior to even putting the car into drive.
@@TechMultiview100 When you drive the car until it stops, with the traction battery flat and about 400 Wh in the 12V battery remaining (remember: only 33-35 Ah max in Model S 12V AGM battery) and then keep the large display, audio, navigation and ventilation on (assume 1000 Watts total), then it will not take long (assume 20 min max) until the 12V battery dies as well, as it cannot be charged back from the traction battery. Ben intentionally kept ignoring the warnings on the traction battery running low, so ignoring service messages on the 12V may completely be possible as well if he wanted to run both batteries down to nothing. Is it hard to spend 20 min in a stranded car and not concentrating on car messages? No, just do one or two phone calls with service staff, spending time in waiting phone queues while siting inside with the systems on.
@@koeniglicher again you are very wrong here. The car limits power to all external devices as well as uses less power and only keeps essential functions on so that the 12v can last as long as possible. The warning messages he had on his car were not for the 12v they were for the main battery and those can be ignored, but if the 12v is low and it throws a warning message it will prevent you from driving. I know many model 3 owners who were not even able to leave there driveway until the 12v was replaced.
@@TechMultiview100 You do not need to drive the car to run a 12V battery to zero quickly. All you need is keep the car on, when the main battery is already depleted. The energy management system can shut off whatever consumers it may find appropriate (AC, heating, ventilation, outside and interior lights, audio, navigation), but due to the consumption of the remaining ECUs it will quickly reach a point where the 12V battery is essentially dead as well, if the car is on and a door is open. Then: no access to the hood (where the 12V battery resides) due to the electric lock, no access to the rear liftgate (due to the electric lock), so: no access (or difficult access via the 2nd row seats) to the Delta Pro modules stored in the trunk. It was absolutey essential, that after Ben stopped, he did not wait too long to get the tailgate open, the charge lid open, the charge process started, the contactors for AC charging employed, and his reserve battery in the trunk charging the car. The important part is: a dead 12V will not only prevent from driving, but also prevent from charging.
@@koeniglicher fam you like just ignored what I said, the car lowers the energy needs when the 12v is the only thing on and even if the door is left open and all the infotainment is running it can last hours. Also When you drive the car to 0% there is a reserve left on the big battery capable of charging the 12v multiple times over before being completely dead. In most cases you won’t even get to this point because again the car won’t allow you to drive with a bad 12v but just in case you do the statements I just said explain how that’s a non issue regardless
I am 60 years old and I have never needed a gas can to fuel up my vehicles, I don't suffer from range anxiety. Also a gas can if way cheaper than a backup battery that you need to carry around in the trunk of your Tesla. An Ecoflow is way more expensive than buying a gas powered generator to backup your home. This video only shows me why I shouldn't buy a Tesla or any other full battery vehicle.
I’m still planning on buying an EV someday but you’re correct. A bit absurd toting around the Ecoflow using up valuable space especially on a road trip. Lugging around that extra weight, while minor, does cost some range too. Lastly, if this gets used 1-2X a year because someone ran out of power on the road, maybe they shouldn’t buy an EV.
If you are going to go through all this just to charge it. Just buy a 2022 Prius Prime. The hatchback of the Prius saves the most gas, still has tons of room, and you gain on mpg’s.
The batteries I would keep in my home. My set up would be: Have two or more batteries. Buy a Tesla model y or x, or buy the newest Prius prime hatchback, have one of the batteries in my car and use it to charge whenever I’m low on energy. The two extra batteries I would keep in my home and use to power my house.
I just drove 1700 miles through rural America, never once having any problem finding a supercharger (and of course the Tesla Navigator simply did all this for me). Why are we pretending this is an issue?
I don’t have the long range Tesla. This would be perfect for rural camping and trips. I can go from charger to charger but struggle between them out in the empty western us.
It will be an issue when half the population are driving used EVs with the original battery, the ten year old Renault Zoe I test drove had a range of about 70 miles!
It is an issue for us Alaskan Tesla owners. There is one supercharger. It’s in Soldotna, AK which is 140 miles outside of our main city and 188 miles away from my home.
@@sophitia_lynn I don't mean to sound like an asshole but If the closest supercharger is almost 200 miles from your house why would you ever buy a Tesla in first place? That's like your entire charge just to get back home from the charger.
There are over 1 million gas station in America and it takes less than 5 min to fill a tank, imagine if it took 1 hour to fill how many more stations we would need
I do the same thing with double pull double throw relays in a metal case. It switches the circuits from the grid to my inverter when there is AC output from the inverter. It switches fast enough such that my computers do not lock up. I had planned to put additional capacitance across the 12V and 5V outputs of the computers power supply, but it was not even necessary. The inverter automatically turns on when the voltage in the capacitor bank it is attached to rises above a certain point and automatically switches off when it falls below. The circuits connected through the relay switch back and forth automatically. I switch some computers that mine cryptocurrencies and provide some heating from the waste heat that they generate here in the cold north as well as some lighting circuits.
That's what I was thinking too. It's only useful in *extremely* niche scenarios, in which case you'd still be better of just throwing it out the window before starting the trip.
no because the weight of the pack is not enough to impact the range enough. It would have a slight impact but nothing big at all, maybe 1% efficiency. electric vehicle weight effects range but when you are talking about a vehicle that is already 4k pounds and over adding this in doesn't impact it. Having different non aero wheels would actually impact the range more.
lol, your video on "has my solar system paid for itself" was used to convince my S/O to get our system. Since then, I've built an offgrid She-shed with a mini-split, a Ryobi, solar powered Tool shed, am building a trunk battery, and mobile Ryobi power source from Jehu's batteries and modules, and we bought a Mach-E, and are 35,000th or so on the lightning list as the eventual system battery. LOL, and we have a concept 2 in the garage. Great minds...
Just put in your front row hook, call up a friend and have him tow you around the parking lot for 5 minutes the Tesla will regen brake the whole time an start to charge the battery. Much quicker than that slow battery charge.
That is pretty neat. I like the idea of having a battery back-up, like a gas can for EVs. I was thinking if a typical gas can holds 3 to 5 gallons of gas and a pickup truck can get maybe 15 to 20 miles per gallon that's 45 to 100 miles of range. Let's assume the middle, say 3 gallons at 20 miles range, so 60 miles emergency range. A battery back-up system should hold enough charge for about 60 miles of range. In the case of the F150 Lightning that should theoretically be about 26 kWh. It may be some time before we can see a portable battery back-up system like the one in this video which can give 26 kWh. At 3.6 kWh x 2.3 miles/kWh (F150 EPA estimate) that's 7 (6 if we round down for energy loss that naturally happens in energy transfer during charging) miles in the battery back-up currently. But, at least 6 to 10 miles should be enough to get anyone to the nearest charging station in the city, less luck in more rural areas though. All in all, the "gas can for EVs" is a worthwhile business venture these days.
I’m subbed to your channel and I enjoy your content. I know this was sponsored but it sucks that you failed to mention the possible range you could get with the device which seemed a bit misleading to your viewers. From the Tesla screen it seemed like (in a perfect world without energy loss during transfer) you’d get 10 miles.
I think that based on the total capacity (I think he said it had 3.6 kW h total capacity), if say you can get 3-4 miles per kW h you can do the estimated math easy. It will never be an exact number though since the way you drive and the car's efficiency matter.
@@TesLatino that sounds about right. I just wish this info was readily available to the viewers because it seems somewhat misleading as this is represented as a conventional gas can equivalent while its milage doesn’t even come close. Just doesn’t seem very honest/ethical to me is all.
I sat here thinking about all the good uses that this battery could be good for, and then I remembered that I pre-ordered the F150 Lightning for majority of those reasons. Vehicle to grid is the future, I think this business model will have a short life once more vehicles can be used as power generators.
What sucks is that, with all discussion about how “close” to “$100 per KWh” Tesla is, consumer li-ion batteries are still in the “$1,000” per kilowatt hour range. Even if you assume they’re paying twice as much as Tesla at the cell level, that’s still either 80% margins or casting some real doubt on how cheap those batteries are actually getting.
I will be living at a dorm in a city that does not have any charging stations - so I desperately need to find a portable charging station to charge my car. I sincerely appreciate your research and thus recommendations!
Let's design a frunk for two of these to go in. You can take them out and you can charge the main batteries when they are in situ. (Like a range extender for long trips)
Great video. Just ordered my Ecoflow Delta Pro and is suppose to arrive tomorrow. Bought is as a backup power station but certainly great to know I can charge my MY in case I ever needed it.
I'd like to point out something that I have not seen in the video nor in the comments. There are a lot of hotels in america that do not have charging stations at the hotel. Simply charge from the battery when you arrive, then take the battery into the hotel room and recharge it overnight. I imagine you wouldn't get a full charge in one night, but when you stop to charge the car, simply charge the battery as well.
If you need to push cars a lot, do it by the wheels. It's a lot easier, and you minimize potential for dents from pushing the fenders. As for portable charging, I think they could make it a lot more efficient if they can make it charge on DC. In this case, you are not constrained by the inverter output, but max battery discharge (if it can charge via DC, it certainly can discharge). You also don't lose energy from converting it to AC, then back to DC in the car.
Takes too long. If AAA is called for help, they must be able to act way quicker than that. That is why they come with a tow truck: get the vehicle out of the place and to some appropriate place.
Over here you can call a tow company to bring out a van with a charging station built-in, basically the same concept but a much larger capacity, which is free if you're a member for it (abt 10 bucks a month). People who aren't members can become members on the spot to still get it for free or only pay $50 to get their car charged. So why would I buy a $3600 battery pack?
I've seen smaller versions of the batteries like that which are smaller but could still give you a couple of miles of range in an emergency. Some of which can also serve as buffers for solar charging.
This is the exact type of setup I thought about and wanted. I researched and found some stuff online but felt even $500 was too expensive. Seeing this price, it's kind of a joke. I would plug into the side of a building with an extension cord if I ever got as low as you did.
It sounds good and all but y'all didn't say how long you could run that building or how many times you could charge your car with it your super duper Battery pack.I think it's very important to know that .
Sir nice video. If the Gas Can Battery is 100%… how many miles will it give you? You said that you charged 15 mins but I saw your battery at like 61%. Was it full 15 mins prior?
Yo! Not sure if they got rid of their smart panel but would love to see more about it. I think it’s a very cool battery backup solution that’s portable.
Looking at the bill of material of the unit (3.6 kWh LiFePO4 cells, inverter/rectifier, some plugs, some switches, fuses, logic, displays, the nice plastic case with handles and casters), this product seems way overpriced (USD 3,599) from my point of view. So, it will not take long until competitors come up with similar products at a way lower price. Ben keeps telling us the price for LiFePO4 cells is way below 100 USD/kWh. This means below 360 USD max for the cells. All the rest (worth 3,200 USD??) is essentially some cheap electrical standard components and a Raspberry Pi controlling it. So, the intended profit margin is huge, but it makes them vulnerable to competition from way cheaper suppliers to get most of the actual market volume. Right now, I consider this piece as an early adopter product. For the sake of comparison: for roughly the same price of $4000, SAIG-GM makes the Wuling Hongguang Mini EV in China, a small car with 10 kWh LiFePO4 battery. That is three times the capacity and a decent car around it.
It's way overpriced, its robbery do a degree I'd call scamming. In this case its dumping money down a whole to do it with batteries at all. A 2500 watt, very quiet petrol inverter generator from Lowe's is lighter, smaller and 650 bucks. Its gonna be the right solution for this use case for a while or until there is an autonomous mobile charging platform.
I have $1500 Generator that charges my car at 38 mph at 240V@ 40 amps on 2 gallons of propane ($6) Weighs 300 pounds with the 20 pound propane tank I can get about 68 miles on 2 gallons of propane in 2 hours DuroMax XP13000EH 10500W/13000W Electric Start Dual Fuel Generator New - FactoryPure
How about a super-capacitor-based 150KW substitute SuperCharger? This would be exactly the sort of scenario where you would not need a whole lot of total energy to get you to the nearest ChargePoint/EVgo station, but you sure as heck would like it to charge you up fast!
I have over a KWH of super capacitors in use now, looking at how this works, it would add about 3 miles of range, but you would definitely not want to haul those around on your Tesla because of the weight. The energy density of the batteries is an order of magnitude or so better than the capacitors, and I think you would loose more range from the mass of the capacitors than you would gain from their storage. Kind of like the rocket equation for EV's.
Man, but the weight is such a ball buster; especially as I imagine picking it up from the trunk?! If this was lighter, I definitely would consider this. That weight is certainly a back breaker, literally.
I just started watching this video! But, I may need to try this out. I still love my 2014 i3 to death, and I've had a few close calls with range, with the cold weather as of late. I don't really love any of the current models enough to justify paying $40-50k for a new EV (Model 3 isn't a hatch, Polestar 2 isn't efficient, Ioniq/EV6,Mach-E have too much markup). This could come in handy for a couple of close calls I had.
Similar to having a can of fuel in a combustion car. The preferred option though is to charge the Tesla before it runs out much as you’d visit the gas station before you ran out of gas. The weight of carrying spare batteries is going to reduce range and not really a long term option
THIS IS A GAME CHANGER!! Not just for Ev and homeowners. Ecoflow DP will reduce my range anxiety, waiting for a L2 power station slot to open up, (and for you people who over stay your welcome at the charger station by leaving their car more the 3 hr -- SHAME ON YOU!) and I can quick charge the ecoflow DP thus opening a Ev slot quicker for others. IT A WIN WIN FOR ALL OF US❗❗🧨🧨
So the the description of this guy plugs into this guy was great. Also letting us know how many miles you got in 20 min would have been good to know. I would guess 1 mile.
Turn the main breaker off at the main panel then plug power source into either dryer plug or electric stove box it will power the full panel but still low on amps but either you get 30 amp to one side of Parnell or 40 amps 20 amps to each side of panel in a power failure :)
I think it would be more efficient if EV makers started putting a backup battery terminal in the trunk. Rather incur efficiency loss by charging a battery...with another battery...Why not just have a port where you can connect an external battery and power the EV directly from that battery? It would actually be closer to the quickness a spare gas can. With using a battery to charge a battery you have to sit around and wait for the internal battery to charge before you can get moving again. Something tells me government regulations combined with companies wanting to avoid letting users use external batteries when the internal ones bite the dust (less people buying new cars to replace the old ones) is probably why. It doesn't help that it's prohibitively expensive to replace an internal battery pack in a used car once it dies. Remember that viral video of a RUclipsr blowing up his Tesla because it cost more then what the vehicle was worth to get the battery replaced? Stuff like this is gonna prevent people from buying new EVs and the chip shortage/broken supply chain is definitely not helping. :(
for charging car purposes, these aren't that good. going from DC --> AC in the Delta Pro, then AC --> DC in the Tesla loses a lot of power and also limits charge rates. for powering house they basically combine a battery and inverter in one unit, so is a good package. Solution for remote car charging you need to do DC --> DC, like other brands on the market (SparkCharge Roadie). That way you're not converting to AC then back to DC, and charge rates are much higher.
This is cool enough but for the cost of entry I still think a small generator makes more sense. I know, I know, you're burning gas. But TFL showed them adding 12 miles over a couple hours, so if you're just trying to squeeze out a few miles (as I imagine you would be with a pair of these) you could do that a few hundred times with the generator before you eclipse the cost of these battery packs. You're also only hauling around 50 pounds with a small generator with a gallon of fuel. As a technology, they're pretty cool and I do dig the solar panel options. I think they're more practical as a camping setup than an "emergency gas can" though.
This is great but I’d be more interested when it drops the price down to under $1000. Driving around with that in the back with the potential of somebody stealing it would worry me. $3600 plus tax and battery degradation over the next few years just does not justify the price
The batteries I would keep in my home. My set up would be: Have two or more batteries. Buy a Tesla model y or x, or buy the newest Prius prime hatchback, have one of the batteries in my car and use it to charge whenever I’m low on energy. The two extra batteries I would keep in my home and use to power my house.
Looks like cool product, but unfortunately the api is pretty limited. If they would open up full control to the local api interface I would probably buy one as it would be a great addition to a smarthome.
The thing that would have been cool is can you strap down a solar panel and charge while you drive. On a tesla or a F150 lighting.... on the lighting strap your panels to the Bemanny top charge thee truck while you're driving. And this concept will be super awesome if you can do this on the Tesla Truck it simply will make any EV limitless in range..... lol submitted for your consideration. Love your show. When you do this we're going to laugh. Gas is over IJS.
For that money you're better off getting two small Honda EU2200i inverters connected in parallel that can provide 4000W at 100% duty cycle. and you'll still have $2K left over :D.
It's a "Neutral-Ground Bonding Plug". Ben put Amazon links in his video description for these. There are videos out there on how to make them yourself, but they're cheap enough to just buy one already made.
@@Ken-nv2hl Good advice in general. However, codes do not allow for emergency situations. For example, you run out of juice in a Chicago slum late at night with a non-functional cell phone. Do I leave the vehicle and risk it being stripped and maybe get mugged or killed or do I break an electrical code? That would be a no brainer for me.
Looks like a some additional equipmen towing trucks would need to carry. If EV dies rather closely to the destination. Gotta get it loaded up if not close enough tho.
The American mass-market will go with the CATL swap-off system. Check out the NIO with Tesla-like specs at 2/3 the price. It can be plugged in or swapped for a charged unit at a station in 5 minutes .. That way the battery can be upgraded / replaced without involving the whole car.
Make a similar video showing a Cybertruck powering the building, when you get a Cybertruck, thanks. No need for the "custom" cable, and with greater capacity. Or, using a Ford F-150 truck with Pro Power Onboard.
FYI the "self-charging" bit included some TV Magic ;)
Ha! Please expand on that. I didn't think it was possible but it did look like you drove away while plugged in. Wizardry.
Yes. Please explain your TV Magic!
Yeah that totally like blew my mind! LOL Did you really drive while the car was charging? Pretty cool device tho.
hah i saw the charge port was dark as you drove away. ain't foolin me lmao.
Would you say your buddy "Drives Like Jehu"? (San Diego band)
The analogy with a gas can was perfect. Other than the $3600 price difference. I know, I know; you gotta do what you gotta do for sponsors. But for $3600 a tow company will send a truck and a limo to pick me up.
Right, it's more comparable to a generator price
Ben, a 7KW generator (gas/propane) is about $700 at Costco. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the video and the way it charged the car blew me away.
Now; there is a $6K and 70 miles difference between the Model 3 standard and long range. how many miles would the ECOFLOW give you if you give it an hour to charge?
@@Milanesa2010 A more fair comparison would be inverter generators and a 7kw inverter generator is roughly the price of this "gas can".
@@Milanesa2010 as the Ecoflow battery has 3.6 kwh capacity, it'd give about 10-15 miles range, hopefully enough distance to get you to a charger.
@David Lutz but, in an hour , im thinking maybe 5 miles..still emergency use)))
Without the weight of the extra battery, you would have made it 😀
This is cool, but as far as a backup charger for emergencies goes I'm not too sold on it ever being that useful, especially at the current price point. However I can still see it being useful as a travel buddy for camping etc. The only real world scenario I can think of where you could run out of power would be if you got stuck in heavy unexpected traffic. Especially in my country where we have a ton of v2 chargers on every gass station etc. it's almost impossible to ever run out of juice outside of traffic.
Which country?
@@TopFloridaRealtor Norway
The charging while driving is cool. I know the Tesla engineers are somewhere having a conniption fit over seeing you rolling through the streets with the trunk up and cord hanging out which is hilarious.
haha, yeah that was some TV magic, it's not possible (yet) ;)
@@BenSullinsOfficial Lol. Soon.
@@BenSullinsOfficial wait, what? In another reply here under this video someone said you could press the charge door button?
Is that not the case? Because I absolutely want to tow a trailer that has its own custom battery and inverter and play with range extending on my CyberTruck...
Without having to directly tap the trucks HV lines, which I've done in a Prius PHEV conversion over a decade ago.
@@D0li0 afaik no car allows charging while driving....
@ That is simply a safety interlock software issue. Thanks for the observation all the same.
If a trailer with batteries were more common, I have friends who have built such a thing, then OEMs may offer such a feature.
Baring that, one might need to tap directly into the battery HV contacts, which is how those friends I've mentioned did it.
For $500 you can get a compact 3,500w gas generator that gives more kw/hrs with option to add more gas.
Great video. Jehu has a great channel as well and I love it when you guys collaborate. I like Jehu's suggestion that all houses should have a transfer switch installed.
Those EcoFlow batteries look perfect for a Motor Coach that is boondocking. Get a series of them going and they can supplement the so much. Especially with the solar panel set up.
I believe it’s a lot easier to plan your trip so that you don’t run out of electricity rather than carrying around those big batteries in your car which of course take up space.
Currently for US as long as your car has around 250-300 miles range, dc fast charge, and the chargers you go to aren't broke, you won't need these for most trips.
@@xXYourShadowDaniXx I’m in Australia and our EV infrastructure is still very small but growing
@@snuggles03 I'm in Australia and you're right, for some specific remote routes the infrastructure is not there yet, and this would be a very handy thing to take with you (assuming they made it available in other countries with localised socket types, etc). But most of the high traffic urban and regional routes are covered with DC fast chargers.
You'd think that, but: Murphy's law. Anything that can go wrong *will* go wrong.
You might plan your trip to not need a backup solution, but it's possible for that trip plan to fail, and trip plan B to also fail, as well as trip plan C.
There is a video showing a couple of guys towing identical 10,000 lb trailers. One towed with a Ford Lighting EV the other a GMC gas truck. The on board computer of the Ford said he could go 160 miles. He only got 86 miles, because of a 7 mph headwind. He had to turn around and return to a charging station 5 miles back. It took him 40 mins for a 75% charge. Both returned to the starting point where the gas truck still showed 1/4 of a tank and it took only 7 mins to fill up.
I'd like to see the math on how much range a Tesla loses while hauling around the eco flow batteries.
I would imagine they can’t weigh more then 100-150 pounds, so only like driving with a passenger. From my experience there isn’t really a difference in range when I have one other passenger.
It’s listed as 99lbs.
A very good thought and thank you , Richard Fox 👍
I don't carry a gas can , but when I do get my Toyota Tacoma EV, I will have one of those on me at all times. 🧐
Yes very handy if stuck remote areas,,in Bush,
Very expensive battery thou food for powerstation running off grid houses n camping etc also,
Would be wet interesting see how much battery NRG you lose towing your caravans etc n if the battery you showing is useful to have recharging an how often recharging electric vehicles towing caravans trailers etc very handy thou as mentioned above especially in remote areas,, price is heavy on Pocket but a eye opener for possible scaling down prices searching for cheaper same quality battery performance etc,, having a power station on board is required these days important,so this is good idea being the first to show everyone,now all can find cheaper options now public been shown how to have back up power when Empty,
Great video, openings options to making it affordable is next vids I predicting,maybe you can make another showing all public cheaper options that work same n how much NRG lost when towing caravans etc must be certain levels weights that's will drain n drain battery less ,,
Keep up your good work mate 😀🙏😇,
You can keep it for home use except for (camping) trips. The light weight solar panels will end the issue when in sunny climbs. This will work great when I retire.
What was the range you could have received out of the external battery if it were full and your Car was 0?
That would be useful information.
i believe if the S sucked every ounce of juice from that portable it would have 10-15 miles of range, not sure how long that would take (Delta Pro is 3.6kWh)
@@mattydomingo I agree, a 3.6 KWH inverter, charging at full blast was adding 10 Miles per hour range according to his car, and with a 3.6KWH battery, it would therefore add around 10 miles. Probably a little bit less as the 3.6KWH rating of the battery is likely not a C1 rate, and there would be some inefficiencies in the inverting as well.
@@fatboy19831 it's been tested it's 91% efficient while some have gotten a bit higher.
It would add slightly more range than the extra weight of the battery pack will reduce the range by.
How much does this Ecobee battery weigh?
The real fun actually starts as soon as the 12V battery is flat as well, the hood is closed, the electric hood lock engaged and the electric parking brake is engaged as well. James May made this experience with his Model S. There, the whole story starts with getting access to the 12V battery, charging it, and only after that, charging the traction battery. Ben was clever enough to avoid this in his experiment. :-)
what are you saying lol. The 12V battery does not die when the car battery dies. The 12V battery is charged constantly to 100% by the main battery and when you drive the car to 0% the 12V does not get used. This is a safety feature, everything like doors, locks, changing gears, and yes the trunk is run off the 12v and so the only reason the 12v would die is if it was faulty , but tesla already prepared for this predicament and anytime the 12v is not in good health the car will not even let you drive it in most cases so you can get it changed. Also most gas cars use a 12V for everything now and a 12V in a gas car is much more likely to die. Same scenario with cars that have an electronic gas cap and electronic trunk, they would not even be able to fill up. At least the tesla has a manual door release and manual charge port release (no power required). James made this scenario exactly how it would play out, you are driving and your main battery dies, 12v can last weeks without being charged because it powers low power items and so he goes to charge the main battery. Completely real scenario of which yours was not real and highly highly unlikely as the driver would have had to ignore the 12V service message the car would have thrown prior to even putting the car into drive.
@@TechMultiview100 When you drive the car until it stops, with the traction battery flat and about 400 Wh in the 12V battery remaining (remember: only 33-35 Ah max in Model S 12V AGM battery) and then keep the large display, audio, navigation and ventilation on (assume 1000 Watts total), then it will not take long (assume 20 min max) until the 12V battery dies as well, as it cannot be charged back from the traction battery. Ben intentionally kept ignoring the warnings on the traction battery running low, so ignoring service messages on the 12V may completely be possible as well if he wanted to run both batteries down to nothing. Is it hard to spend 20 min in a stranded car and not concentrating on car messages? No, just do one or two phone calls with service staff, spending time in waiting phone queues while siting inside with the systems on.
@@koeniglicher again you are very wrong here. The car limits power to all external devices as well as uses less power and only keeps essential functions on so that the 12v can last as long as possible. The warning messages he had on his car were not for the 12v they were for the main battery and those can be ignored, but if the 12v is low and it throws a warning message it will prevent you from driving. I know many model 3 owners who were not even able to leave there driveway until the 12v was replaced.
@@TechMultiview100 You do not need to drive the car to run a 12V battery to zero quickly. All you need is keep the car on, when the main battery is already depleted. The energy management system can shut off whatever consumers it may find appropriate (AC, heating, ventilation, outside and interior lights, audio, navigation), but due to the consumption of the remaining ECUs it will quickly reach a point where the 12V battery is essentially dead as well, if the car is on and a door is open. Then: no access to the hood (where the 12V battery resides) due to the electric lock, no access to the rear liftgate (due to the electric lock), so: no access (or difficult access via the 2nd row seats) to the Delta Pro modules stored in the trunk.
It was absolutey essential, that after Ben stopped, he did not wait too long to get the tailgate open, the charge lid open, the charge process started, the contactors for AC charging employed, and his reserve battery in the trunk charging the car. The important part is: a dead 12V will not only prevent from driving, but also prevent from charging.
@@koeniglicher fam you like just ignored what I said, the car lowers the energy needs when the 12v is the only thing on and even if the door is left open and all the infotainment is running it can last hours. Also When you drive the car to 0% there is a reserve left on the big battery capable of charging the 12v multiple times over before being completely dead. In most cases you won’t even get to this point because again the car won’t allow you to drive with a bad 12v but just in case you do the statements I just said explain how that’s a non issue regardless
I am 60 years old and I have never needed a gas can to fuel up my vehicles, I don't suffer from range anxiety. Also a gas can if way cheaper than a backup battery that you need to carry around in the trunk of your Tesla. An Ecoflow is way more expensive than buying a gas powered generator to backup your home. This video only shows me why I shouldn't buy a Tesla or any other full battery vehicle.
I’m still planning on buying an EV someday but you’re correct. A bit absurd toting around the Ecoflow using up valuable space especially on a road trip. Lugging around that extra weight, while minor, does cost some range too. Lastly, if this gets used 1-2X a year because someone ran out of power on the road, maybe they shouldn’t buy an EV.
Would have been useful to see a complete charge from the external battery to see how much it translate to in the Tesla
Yeah how many miles can 1 of those batteries add?
It’s a marketing scam. That why he doesn’t show you.
If you are going to go through all this just to charge it. Just buy a 2022 Prius Prime. The hatchback of the Prius saves the most gas, still has tons of room, and you gain on mpg’s.
The batteries I would keep in my home.
My set up would be: Have two or more batteries. Buy a Tesla model y or x, or buy the newest Prius prime hatchback, have one of the batteries in my car and use it to charge whenever I’m low on energy. The two extra batteries I would keep in my home and use to power my house.
I guess this is great for Tesla owners who are unable to get to a supercharger… the same drivers who previously were unable to find a gas station.
Lol!
Wow, what a coincidence, forgot to charge the car but didn’t forget to pack the ecoflow battery banks 🤣🤣🤣. I love RUclips
Being able to charge it at a charging station is a game changer. What is the max charge rate?
Ecoflow names 3400 Watts or 3.4 kW max when charging from EV charging stations.
I just drove 1700 miles through rural America, never once having any problem finding a supercharger (and of course the Tesla Navigator simply did all this for me). Why are we pretending this is an issue?
I don’t have the long range Tesla. This would be perfect for rural camping and trips. I can go from charger to charger but struggle between them out in the empty western us.
It will be an issue when half the population are driving used EVs with the original battery, the ten year old Renault Zoe I test drove had a range of about 70 miles!
It is an issue for us Alaskan Tesla owners. There is one supercharger. It’s in Soldotna, AK which is 140 miles outside of our main city and 188 miles away from my home.
@@sophitia_lynn I don't mean to sound like an asshole but If the closest supercharger is almost 200 miles from your house why would you ever buy a Tesla in first place? That's like your entire charge just to get back home from the charger.
There are over 1 million gas station in America and it takes less than 5 min to fill a tank, imagine if it took 1 hour to fill how many more stations we would need
I do the same thing with double pull double throw relays in a metal case. It switches the circuits from the grid to my inverter when there is AC output from the inverter. It switches fast enough such that my computers do not lock up. I had planned to put additional capacitance across the 12V and 5V outputs of the computers power supply, but it was not even necessary. The inverter automatically turns on when the voltage in the capacitor bank it is attached to rises above a certain point and automatically switches off when it falls below. The circuits connected through the relay switch back and forth automatically. I switch some computers that mine cryptocurrencies and provide some heating from the waste heat that they generate here in the cold north as well as some lighting circuits.
Wouldn’t the weight of the packs cancel the benefit of carrying them in the first place?
yup..
That's what I was thinking too.
It's only useful in *extremely* niche scenarios, in which case you'd still be better of just throwing it out the window before starting the trip.
no because the weight of the pack is not enough to impact the range enough. It would have a slight impact but nothing big at all, maybe 1% efficiency. electric vehicle weight effects range but when you are talking about a vehicle that is already 4k pounds and over adding this in doesn't impact it. Having different non aero wheels would actually impact the range more.
Check out how much one of those units costs, too.
It has wheels and a retractable handle bar for a reason!
lol, your video on "has my solar system paid for itself" was used to convince my S/O to get our system. Since then, I've built an offgrid She-shed with a mini-split, a Ryobi, solar powered Tool shed, am building a trunk battery, and mobile Ryobi power source from Jehu's batteries and modules, and we bought a Mach-E, and are 35,000th or so on the lightning list as the eventual system battery. LOL, and we have a concept 2 in the garage. Great minds...
I just ordered one. Let’s see. Thanks for the review.
after you charged from your emergency gas can how far did your Tesla go ?
Just put in your front row hook, call up a friend and have him tow you around the parking lot for 5 minutes the Tesla will regen brake the whole time an start to charge the battery. Much quicker than that slow battery charge.
I'd love to see this
@@BenSullinsOfficial watch the RUclips channel “warped perception”. He tows the Model S to recharge it. It worked very well.
The $3600 gas can 😲🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♂️
That is pretty neat. I like the idea of having a battery back-up, like a gas can for EVs. I was thinking if a typical gas can holds 3 to 5 gallons of gas and a pickup truck can get maybe 15 to 20 miles per gallon that's 45 to 100 miles of range. Let's assume the middle, say 3 gallons at 20 miles range, so 60 miles emergency range. A battery back-up system should hold enough charge for about 60 miles of range. In the case of the F150 Lightning that should theoretically be about 26 kWh. It may be some time before we can see a portable battery back-up system like the one in this video which can give 26 kWh. At 3.6 kWh x 2.3 miles/kWh (F150 EPA estimate) that's 7 (6 if we round down for energy loss that naturally happens in energy transfer during charging) miles in the battery back-up currently. But, at least 6 to 10 miles should be enough to get anyone to the nearest charging station in the city, less luck in more rural areas though. All in all, the "gas can for EVs" is a worthwhile business venture these days.
Worthwhile at almost $5000 each?
What I get from videos like this is that a buyer will be investing in generating their own electricity. It's yours to do whatever you want.
I’m subbed to your channel and I enjoy your content.
I know this was sponsored but it sucks that you failed to mention the possible range you could get with the device which seemed a bit misleading to your viewers. From the Tesla screen it seemed like (in a perfect world without energy loss during transfer) you’d get 10 miles.
I think that based on the total capacity (I think he said it had 3.6 kW h total capacity), if say you can get 3-4 miles per kW h you can do the estimated math easy. It will never be an exact number though since the way you drive and the car's efficiency matter.
@@TesLatino that sounds about right. I just wish this info was readily available to the viewers because it seems somewhat misleading as this is represented as a conventional gas can equivalent while its milage doesn’t even come close. Just doesn’t seem very honest/ethical to me is all.
Forgive me to say that they’re suckers!
These would always be "emergency" miles so slow speed, does that change things? How low can the Tesla's go re: consumption?
I sat here thinking about all the good uses that this battery could be good for, and then I remembered that I pre-ordered the F150 Lightning for majority of those reasons. Vehicle to grid is the future, I think this business model will have a short life once more vehicles can be used as power generators.
disagree but valid point that the home charging will be a game changer for future EVs
Plan on an early death for you $15k car battery by discharging/recharging to Power Grid.
He would've made it to his friends shop, if he didn't have to lug the heavy battery around further reducing his range lol.
$7,000 in back up batteries? I'll pass.
What sucks is that, with all discussion about how “close” to “$100 per KWh” Tesla is, consumer li-ion batteries are still in the “$1,000” per kilowatt hour range. Even if you assume they’re paying twice as much as Tesla at the cell level, that’s still either 80% margins or casting some real doubt on how cheap those batteries are actually getting.
@@mukiex4413 Totally agree.
I will be living at a dorm in a city that does not have any charging stations - so I desperately need to find a portable charging station to charge my car. I sincerely appreciate your research and thus recommendations!
Charging it while on the move is so hilarious
Pretty happy I was able to get it thru the Kickstarter program. Can't wait to get my hands on it.
Let's design a frunk for two of these to go in. You can take them out and you can charge the main batteries when they are in situ. (Like a range extender for long trips)
because what? because people are iditots and cant read estimated milage left?
This video is something else. Thanks for sharing. I really don't know of any other power station that can do the same thing.
Great video. Just ordered my Ecoflow Delta Pro and is suppose to arrive tomorrow. Bought is as a backup power station but certainly great to know I can charge my MY in case I ever needed it.
I'd like to point out something that I have not seen in the video nor in the comments. There are a lot of hotels in america that do not have charging stations at the hotel. Simply charge from the battery when you arrive, then take the battery into the hotel room and recharge it overnight. I imagine you wouldn't get a full charge in one night, but when you stop to charge the car, simply charge the battery as well.
I'm impressed on how much power that Delta Pro can dish out. Unbelievable.
If you need to push cars a lot, do it by the wheels. It's a lot easier, and you minimize potential for dents from pushing the fenders.
As for portable charging, I think they could make it a lot more efficient if they can make it charge on DC. In this case, you are not constrained by the inverter output, but max battery discharge (if it can charge via DC, it certainly can discharge). You also don't lose energy from converting it to AC, then back to DC in the car.
These batteries would be great for companies like AAA and other tow / roadside hazzard assistance groups to help out stranded EV owners.
Takes too long. If AAA is called for help, they must be able to act way quicker than that. That is why they come with a tow truck: get the vehicle out of the place and to some appropriate place.
@@koeniglicher last time I called AAA I waited two hours for a tow truck. This was in a major city. Not sure if timelines is their main concern.
They would just buy F150 powerboost trucks and have 7.2 KW from factory.
@@kdrapertrucker Still too slow charging with 7.2 kW or 9.6 kW for this use case, from my point of view.
@@koeniglicher well these batteries certainly aren’t exceeding that
Over here you can call a tow company to bring out a van with a charging station built-in, basically the same concept but a much larger capacity, which is free if you're a member for it (abt 10 bucks a month). People who aren't members can become members on the spot to still get it for free or only pay $50 to get their car charged. So why would I buy a $3600 battery pack?
personally, i am planning to maybe install a 60L tank in my trunk and a mini pump, this way i can stop and refuel when i run out of gas
It's 4,5% of car battery capacity only, so better be more attentive with main battery status. After 20% look for charger around)
Good experiment!!!
I've seen smaller versions of the batteries like that which are smaller but could still give you a couple of miles of range in an emergency. Some of which can also serve as buffers for solar charging.
This is the exact type of setup I thought about and wanted. I researched and found some stuff online but felt even $500 was too expensive. Seeing this price, it's kind of a joke. I would plug into the side of a building with an extension cord if I ever got as low as you did.
Wow, you're friends with Jehu Garcia! I love both of you fellas!
It sounds good and all but y'all didn't say how long you could run that building or how many times you could charge your car with it your super duper Battery pack.I think it's very important to know that .
Sir nice video. If the Gas Can Battery is 100%… how many miles will it give you? You said that you charged 15 mins but I saw your battery at like 61%. Was it full 15 mins prior?
Yo! Not sure if they got rid of their smart panel but would love to see more about it. I think it’s a very cool battery backup solution that’s portable.
This is awesome. This business will go far.
Looking at the bill of material of the unit (3.6 kWh LiFePO4 cells, inverter/rectifier, some plugs, some switches, fuses, logic, displays, the nice plastic case with handles and casters), this product seems way overpriced (USD 3,599) from my point of view. So, it will not take long until competitors come up with similar products at a way lower price. Ben keeps telling us the price for LiFePO4 cells is way below 100 USD/kWh. This means below 360 USD max for the cells. All the rest (worth 3,200 USD??) is essentially some cheap electrical standard components and a Raspberry Pi controlling it. So, the intended profit margin is huge, but it makes them vulnerable to competition from way cheaper suppliers to get most of the actual market volume. Right now, I consider this piece as an early adopter product.
For the sake of comparison: for roughly the same price of $4000, SAIG-GM makes the Wuling Hongguang Mini EV in China, a small car with 10 kWh LiFePO4 battery. That is three times the capacity and a decent car around it.
It's way overpriced, its robbery do a degree I'd call scamming. In this case its dumping money down a whole to do it with batteries at all. A 2500 watt, very quiet petrol inverter generator from Lowe's is lighter, smaller and 650 bucks. Its gonna be the right solution for this use case for a while or until there is an autonomous mobile charging platform.
No wonder you avoided announcing the price of one of these, knowing no body would watch until the end. $3,600!? How in the world is this sustainable?
A Powerwall is North of 7K for comparison
@@BenSullinsOfficial power wall!?!
STOP
I have $1500 Generator that charges my car at 38 mph at 240V@ 40 amps on 2 gallons of propane ($6) Weighs 300 pounds with the 20 pound propane tank I can get about 68 miles on 2 gallons of propane in 2 hours
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How about a super-capacitor-based 150KW substitute SuperCharger? This would be exactly the sort of scenario where you would not need a whole lot of total energy to get you to the nearest ChargePoint/EVgo station, but you sure as heck would like it to charge you up fast!
That'd be sweet
I have over a KWH of super capacitors in use now, looking at how this works, it would add about 3 miles of range, but you would definitely not want to haul those around on your Tesla because of the weight. The energy density of the batteries is an order of magnitude or so better than the capacitors, and I think you would loose more range from the mass of the capacitors than you would gain from their storage. Kind of like the rocket equation for EV's.
@@richhagenchicago, interesting! Roughly how large and how heavy is that 1KWh of supercapacitors?
Man, but the weight is such a ball buster; especially as I imagine picking it up from the trunk?! If this was lighter, I definitely would consider this. That weight is certainly a back breaker, literally.
I just started watching this video! But, I may need to try this out.
I still love my 2014 i3 to death, and I've had a few close calls with range, with the cold weather as of late. I don't really love any of the current models enough to justify paying $40-50k for a new EV (Model 3 isn't a hatch, Polestar 2 isn't efficient, Ioniq/EV6,Mach-E have too much markup). This could come in handy for a couple of close calls I had.
This was great. I had no idea you can trick the car to drive while plugged in. I wonder if that can be done in my Model 3.
See Ben's comment above. That was "TV magic", so fake.
So how many miles did you actually show after that 15 minutes of charge? Thanks for the vid!
It was still at 0 but just doing the math on it I knew we had enough to get to the next block over
@@BenSullinsOfficial I see! Still perfect timing.
@@msbgone 0 on a tesla model s can be up to 20-25 miles
Similar to having a can of fuel in a combustion car. The preferred option though is to charge the Tesla before it runs out much as you’d visit the gas station before you ran out of gas. The weight of carrying spare batteries is going to reduce range and not really a long term option
Nice little Honda inverter suitcase generator looks like a better option. Smaller, far cheaper and more versatile.
In a pinch just get a strap and use regen braking to charge a few miles of range.
Hi! Thank you for the great video. I don't see a link for the dummy ground plug. Would you mind posting that one as well please? Thank you!
It would be nice to have an interior plug so you can drive with it plugged in.
THIS IS A GAME CHANGER!! Not just for Ev and homeowners. Ecoflow DP will reduce my range anxiety, waiting for a L2 power station slot to open up, (and for you people who over stay your welcome at the charger station by leaving their car more the 3 hr -- SHAME ON YOU!) and I can quick charge the ecoflow DP thus opening a Ev slot quicker for others. IT A WIN WIN FOR ALL OF US❗❗🧨🧨
My delta pro came with a dead pixel on the screen, and the quality of the port covers is garbage. Other than that it’s working good so far
Now Tesla just needs to start offering an optional, in truck, or fronk spare charging port, for products exactly like these.
That plug I think is called a “bonded neutral “. That is what is required for portable generators to RV’s. That battery is so expensive!
Best way is to carry a tow rope. Tow a Tesla 10 miles and you will add 25-35 miles of range depending on the model… my opinion of course
So the the description of this guy plugs into this guy was great. Also letting us know how many miles you got in 20 min would have been good to know. I would guess 1 mile.
I’ve been looking around for emergency chargers for my arriving Tesla. What’s the weight of that unit? & is it worth carrying around?
Turn the main breaker off at the main panel then plug power source into either dryer plug or electric stove box it will power the full panel but still low on amps but either you get 30 amp to one side of Parnell or 40 amps 20 amps to each side of panel in a power failure :)
I think it would be more efficient if EV makers started putting a backup battery terminal in the trunk. Rather incur efficiency loss by charging a battery...with another battery...Why not just have a port where you can connect an external battery and power the EV directly from that battery? It would actually be closer to the quickness a spare gas can. With using a battery to charge a battery you have to sit around and wait for the internal battery to charge before you can get moving again.
Something tells me government regulations combined with companies wanting to avoid letting users use external batteries when the internal ones bite the dust (less people buying new cars to replace the old ones) is probably why. It doesn't help that it's prohibitively expensive to replace an internal battery pack in a used car once it dies. Remember that viral video of a RUclipsr blowing up his Tesla because it cost more then what the vehicle was worth to get the battery replaced?
Stuff like this is gonna prevent people from buying new EVs and the chip shortage/broken supply chain is definitely not helping. :(
for charging car purposes, these aren't that good. going from DC --> AC in the Delta Pro, then AC --> DC in the Tesla loses a lot of power and also limits charge rates. for powering house they basically combine a battery and inverter in one unit, so is a good package. Solution for remote car charging you need to do DC --> DC, like other brands on the market (SparkCharge Roadie). That way you're not converting to AC then back to DC, and charge rates are much higher.
I was looking for someone to comment about this. What is it, maby 76% efficiency DC to AC then AC to DC if the stars align?
One of the battery companies should give you the option to add a ground spike. Doesn’t seem like it would be hard to add in
This is cool enough but for the cost of entry I still think a small generator makes more sense. I know, I know, you're burning gas. But TFL showed them adding 12 miles over a couple hours, so if you're just trying to squeeze out a few miles (as I imagine you would be with a pair of these) you could do that a few hundred times with the generator before you eclipse the cost of these battery packs. You're also only hauling around 50 pounds with a small generator with a gallon of fuel.
As a technology, they're pretty cool and I do dig the solar panel options. I think they're more practical as a camping setup than an "emergency gas can" though.
That piece gives you a bonded connection. Meaning they bond neutral to ground
😂 Jaywho ima call my friend Jehu that 😂
I enjoy watching both of your channels.👍👍
The DELTA pro is very heavy. If carried in the car, wouldn't that reduce the range of the car to some degrees?
This is great but I’d be more interested when it drops the price down to under $1000. Driving around with that in the back with the potential of somebody stealing it would worry me. $3600 plus tax and battery degradation over the next few years just does not justify the price
Great experiment, always fun to learn about new technology, thanks! Isn't it TeSla not TeZla?? Never heard someone say "Nikola TeZla"😉
If the grid goes down I use a $500 gas generator to run the house. Been using it for years.
Self charging was amazing. Tesla needs to look at after market possibilities for its evs. If the trunk can closed completely it would be perfect
The batteries I would keep in my home.
My set up would be: Have two or more batteries. Buy a Tesla model y or x, or buy the newest Prius prime hatchback, have one of the batteries in my car and use it to charge whenever I’m low on energy. The two extra batteries I would keep in my home and use to power my house.
Looks like cool product, but unfortunately the api is pretty limited. If they would open up full control to the local api interface I would probably buy one as it would be a great addition to a smarthome.
The thing that would have been cool is can you strap down a solar panel and charge while you drive. On a tesla or a F150 lighting.... on the lighting strap your panels to the Bemanny top charge thee truck while you're driving. And this concept will be super awesome if you can do this on the Tesla Truck it simply will make any EV limitless in range..... lol submitted for your consideration. Love your show. When you do this we're going to laugh. Gas is over
IJS.
For that money you're better off getting two small Honda EU2200i inverters connected in parallel that can provide 4000W at 100% duty cycle. and you'll still have $2K left over :D.
Hi Ben, great video. What was the “little tiny extra piece” that tells the charger it’s a ground connection?
It's a "Neutral-Ground Bonding Plug". Ben put Amazon links in his video description for these. There are videos out there on how to make them yourself, but they're cheap enough to just buy one already made.
Do not buy these. By passing grounding is illegal.
Yeah I wonder why he's telling us to do something dangerous and bypass ground in a sponsored video? Seems weird to me
@@Ken-nv2hl Good advice in general. However, codes do not allow for emergency situations. For example, you run out of juice in a Chicago slum late at night with a non-functional cell phone. Do I leave the vehicle and risk it being stripped and maybe get mugged or killed or do I break an electrical code? That would be a no brainer for me.
Looks like a some additional equipmen towing trucks would need to carry. If EV dies rather closely to the destination. Gotta get it loaded up if not close enough tho.
You have heard of the movie dumb and dumber? This video wins the academy award
Pretty awesome video. The applications for the Delta Pro are endless.
The American mass-market will go with the CATL swap-off system. Check out the NIO with Tesla-like specs at 2/3 the price. It can be plugged in or swapped for a charged unit at a station in 5 minutes .. That way the battery can be upgraded / replaced without involving the whole car.
Thank you for all you do Ben. Do you know if the Ecoflow Delta 2 will charge an EV?
I'm unaware
The fun part is that you would have arrived if not for the aditional weight of the batteries.
This will pretty much eliminate my issue with running out of juice in the middle of no where :o basically an electric gas can.
Haaa!! I knew this would come along eventually! just like those packs you can buy for your phone to extend battery life!!!
This is a great video. I have been looking for a solution for the battery charger for a Tesla.
Make a similar video showing a Cybertruck powering the building, when you get a Cybertruck, thanks. No need for the "custom" cable, and with greater capacity. Or, using a Ford F-150 truck with Pro Power Onboard.
Shopping channels have got a lot slicker these days.