Maybe I missed it, but one thing that was not mentioned was the production of Ethanol for use a fuel. It turns out, half of the US corn crop goes into producing Ethanol. What's more is the the fermentation of corn to produce the Ethanol releases tons of CO2. So much CO2, that they are pumping it through high pressure (1200 psi) pipelines to North Dakota for underground storage. The whole idea of using our farmlands to produce a single crop as a fuel additive is insane.
American uses 1.5x the cereals used in Africa for food, to supply ethanol to dilute into its gasoline as E10 bioethanol (only 10%). Imagine trying to use biofuels for all America's fuel needs.
@makerspace533: That’s a bit more complicated than you think. A non-trivial number of ethanol distillers will take in corn that would be rejected by even the most lenient feed mill in the world. I’m not allowed to name the company, but there’s one distiller that buys grain that’s upto 5x the foreign material (mostly corn cobs and stalks, but also the dust that’s produced just by the kernels bumping against each other as they flow through the spout) and over 2x the max for “damaged” kernels (usually some kind of microbe activity, but also includes grain that was stored too warm for too long, and also the little bits that get moldy). Selling bushels of grain to an ethanol distiller is literally a weapon of last resort, because they are often sold for a loss (compared to selling to a feed producer). Now yes, there can be ethanol distillers that have tighter specs for the grain they take in; but those are also the ones that get very limited business, because they take close to an hour to dump a single hopper-bottom truck (for context, 8-10 minutes is considered painfully slow). But I digress; back to the point. Ethanol distillers can be picky, but most take in the grain that nobody else will, and turn it into a sellable product. And while doing so, they produce a by-product called DDGs which feed mills absolutely love since it has much higher concentration of protein and minerals per unit volume (compared to just milled grain).
As a journo in this industry myself, I applaud the quality of your research and polite discussion of the facts. I have enjoyed your series on EV misinformation immensely. Keep up the good work - and know it's appreciated. G'day from stinking hot Australia!
@@joehowe9532 Slang is part of the English language. 'Journo" is Australian slang, it's an abbreviation for "journalist". Ignorami is Latin - it's the plural of ignoramus. And yes, Latin words have been absorbed into the English language as well.
Since 2015, here in the UK, the EV industry has been subsidised to the tune of around £60 billion, which is around £20 billion LESS than the fossil fuel industry in the same period, which has gotten around £80 billion.
@@TheKnightsShield - Fossil fuel subsidies in the US have cumulatively added up to TRILLIONS. The American military hasn’t spent decades in the Middle East in order to defend the sand. And that’s all been funded by the taxpayers. Even the East India company had to pay soldiers out of its own pocket to “defend” its interests. IMO, the oil industry is the greatest corporate welfare hog in human history, bar none. If a “business” requires the largest military in the world to keep it alive - at 100% taxpayer expense - then it’s not a real business. Left to the free market, the oil industry is completely unviable; left to the free market, there would’ve been a dozen alternative technologies developed by now.
Sadly, you, Ben Sullins are one of the few heroic and dedicated people who can be bothered to hold politicians, journalists, lobbyists or other professional talking heads accountable for being wrong. Mostly they live entirely in the present and future with the past wiped from the record. If it were otherwise, every political pollster in the US would have fallen on his sword sometime in late October!
Soi true. The particulate matter from burning hydrocarbons not only aggravates asthma but also causes it in children. It can also lead to other lung disease including cancer.
True! The French fixed their spelling system a bit lately by NOT forcing current users to relearn or use the new spellings. Orwell called it (the English spelling system) tormenting, preposterous, irrational; Einstein, treacherous. Research proved it. What will it take?
The attacks on electrification of transportation are only going to get worse as EV's continue to penetrate the market. To those involved with the sales and servicing of gasoline and diesel vehicles EV's represent a major threat to their career choice. This is especially true for new car dealers. Over 40% of a typical dealership's revenue comes from the sales of parts and service which are HEAVILY (if not exclusively) dependent upon gasoline and diesel vehicles. Dealers in particular view EV's as an existential threat and IMHO are a major player in the efforts of the anti-EV cabal. They won't admit this as it undermines their narrative on ICE vehicle reliability (exposing how the lack of it makes Big $$$ for dealers). While manufacturers continue to push EV's their dealers want nothing to do with them. Dealerships have powerful representation on their side. They are represented by one of the country's most powerful lobbies, the National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA). The NADA actively engages with policymakers, regulatory bodies, and legislators to shape legislation and regulations that benefit dealerships. The NADA knows how to speak with congressmen $$$
I was at the University of Hawaii during the gas crisis in 73 I think it was. I got up at the crack of dawn to be the first in line for gas. When it came to be my turn I asked for $1.00 of gas. The gas station attendant was astonished but that is all the money I had. Gas was around $.50 a gallon back then so I got two gallons. Luckily I had a ten speed Raleigh bicycle so I was able to travel throughout Honolulu with it's mild climate. I was driving a 1970 Ford Maverick six cylinder which had pretty good gas mileage for its day so all was good. Today I drive a Model 3 Tesla which has even better gas mileage partially in response to the day I could only get one dollar worth of gas.
@@imcheaperthanyou9805 Catalyst so not consumed in use and recyclable. Less than 4% of Cobalt use is for ALL industrial catalysts - a magnitude more for EVs.
The information about the batteries was released by the oil industry, they decided to weaponize the information to use against the EV industry while hiding the fact they use it themselves! Despite the information being out, you don't see people getting mad at the oil industry... Hypocrisy at it's finest.
NO its a lie! People you can google this in seconds, STOP making up the argument with falsehoods! Less than 4% of Cobalt use is for ALL industrial catalysts - a magnitude more for EVs. And catalysts are recycled. Almost all Cobalt comes as a byproduct of mining copper (69%) and nickel (29%). predominantly from Australia! Ben knows this!
@@waynerussell6401in the United States alone it's roughly 400 tons of cobalt per year for gasoline production. That's an easy Google with keywords in that sentence.
@@waynerussell6401 Ben also knows that cobalt used in battery packs is recycled. Sorry, no, cobolt lost in oil refining is lost to the environment where it is poison. Still, it bothers me a great deal that people pretend that the only source of cobolt is little children in mines in Africa. Honestly, give me a break!
@@dzcav3 So it's ok to use child labor if you only use 3% of the production of it? Also as ben pointed out, EV makers and smarphone companies are moving away from cobalt. Is the oil industry doing the same thing? or are they like idgaf?
I wish they would stop asking dealers about ev sales.... There is a huge conflict... Dealerships don't want to see EVs come as they stand to lose a huge portion of their income from maintenance on EVs vs ICE
@@michaelbartley2079 I hear you. I can smell the desperation when I go in for scheduled maintenance. Apparently I really need to pay them 65 dollars to change the cabin air filter. Hard pass.
Don't underestimate the ability of stealerships to invent new ways of making money. They will find ways like bundling service and maintenance plans to purchase agreement and warrantees which can only be honoured when being serviced by "authorised" dealers. Now granted there aint much to do with EV maintenance, but don't be surprised to see things like annual motor inspection, differential oils and oil filters, software updates, low friction bearings and suspension parts which may wear quickly due to increased vehicle weight etc...
EVs are a niche market type of vehicle and the only way they will be adopted en masse is if they're mandated. Not everyone wants to have one of these things for many different reasons.
Sure, so it is not like greenhouse gasses are accumulating in the atmosphere. I mean every year co2 levels set a new record, and in term average global temperatures continue to rise.
@PHa-l6v if you're worried about the so-called man made climate change, you should check not only the scientific evidence but the numbers related to CO2 emissions.
@PHa-l6v so, according to your particular world view, bureaucrats should have the power to mandate these things because you adhere to the "man made climate change" cult?
I don't think they are niche market. I think in same way that the United States spent money to build highways. It can spend money to develop EV charging infrastructure. The cost of EV ownership makes it a viable option.
@@demetricklouis5710 yeah that’s re a niche market and they really aren’t for everyone. Building the charging infrastructure yes can be don’t however it’s the cost of transferring the electricity. Verse fuels that transfer process alone is 3 trillion dollar😏.
It was my "Present Bias" that made me buy a used one year old EV instead of new here in Canada. The depreciation made it a no-brainer. It was my "Future Bias" that is making us realize over $4,500 in fuel savings each year, and knowing this car will be "free" in about 6 years.
Even though what you have laid out here is absolutely correct. You try and tell someone who is in denial. They will construct arguments and excuses to maintain their world view despite all the evidence.
@@doittoit00 The last I bought is a used 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV Premier from the dealer in show room condition that was previously on a 6 month short-term lease. A lot of people take on these short leases where available in order to test out a new EV before committing to buying. It had 8,000 km on the odometer when we drive it home from the dealership, with a little over 5 years of the original 6 year bumper-to-bumper warranty, and over 7 year warranty on the battery. I saved nearly $20,000 over the new models they had left at the same dealership. That first 8,000 km was very expensive for someone!
@@Skyhawk1480 the very first km ist the most expensive a car will ever take. Okay unless it's a ridiculously expensive car that you'll have restored even after totalling, maybe.
I was a new driver when gas went from $00.30 to $00.75 during the first oil embargo. Lines at every station went for blocks with a sign on the last car being filled that day. We carried five gallon gas cans in order to make road trips. At that time Japanese cars were the new thing American auto makers said nobody wanted.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q Loads of on street chargers will solve this. Basic slow chargers are key for EV adoption in areas where you don't have a drive to charge. In the US the planning policy dictates new developments need huge parking lots. It won't take much change in policy make sure rows of cheap destination chargers are added in the future.
@@Jamessansome Street chargers won’t work. Those older homes without driveways and garages will be much less desirable. BEVs will be the norm as range is quickly catching up to gas cars.
Ben, i’m the one who first started talking about cobalt in the fuel having worked in the refineries. The problem is much bigger at the refinery level because some of this powdered catalyst that’s in-trained in the hot fuel is lost to the fuel. Another word stays in the fuel, so we end up burning the catalyst in every gallon of gasoline, which has to be replaced with more mining. most of the catalyst is recovered with electrostatic precipitator‘s . This process is called Hydro cracking and Hydro forming which is breaking down all the hydrogen carbon bonds and then rebuilding the molecule which takes huge thermal energy and electrical energy or prime energy in the refining process
Ben forgot to call out the statement from the Arkansas Republican, that ''wind and solar are ... inefficient'', when the exact opposite is true. And he called oil & gas ''low carbon'' - OMG!!
Just one small part of the fossil fuels propaganda that absolutely drips from that video. Watch this video again and try to count all the lies, and FUD from pretty much every clip. It's not just the reporter, and those being interviewed either; it's the female voice over as well. Once you start counting, you start to realize just how much the industry twists virtually everything to stay in power. They are the ones calling the shots here, make no mistake about that. There are countries where they don't have that power. China is one of those countries. Ethiopia (Africa's biggest electricity producer, who have virtually no oil), is another. Ethiopia has no car industry. They banned the importation of fossil fuel vehicles, so they don't have to spend their GDP on fossil fuels.
Ben, the first of your videos i have watched. Awesome, scientific, factual, data driven and unemotional. Would that all discourse be like this. Subscribed to your channel immediately.
Hello again Ben, living through both gas crisis in the 70's and actually working at a gas station in '74-'79 i know abit about the issue. Odd/even days were the norm back then, (except us mechanics and pumpers) had troubling times. We sold over a million gallons a year from one location in NY pretty much every year during that period. It wasn't unusual to put a last car cone in line down the street. We had to monitor that last car as others would pull up and try to put the cone on thier car. Didnt work out for them. All this came at a time that gas went from 29 cents a gallon to more than a dollar plus. That's when the imports flooded the market. Worked out well for them, but not for our gas guzzling domestic vehicles. The rest is and was history. Now i have 2 ev's, one built in the US (2018 p3d), and one overseas (VF8)...! And very happy with both purchases.
Free energy from every home and building. Free energy with every vehicle every day anywhere. All night and all day. Rooftop PV dirt cheap clean electric energy. EVs topped up daily. Trouble free automobility. Tax-free savings, money in the bank, from ; 1. No petroleum $ 2. No gas heating $ 3. No grid electricity $ 4. No infrastructure over supply. $$$ 5. Shaded hot roofs, less air-conditioning $ Petroleum 1. in strategic storage, 2. for road building, 3. for petrochemical industry, 4. for emergency midwinter heating. National Electricity grid repurposed ; 1. Take millions of FEED-IN and supply industrial customers moving away from fossil fuels. 2. Backup anyone 3. Transfer energy to areas of low energy storage from weather events. USA energy can be doubled or tripled.
Right leaning Independent here. Love my 2-1/2 year old Kia EV6 GT Line AWD, with Solar on our house's roof. I know a lot of right leaning people (don't know if they're Republican or not, because I don't ask anyone about their personal politics) who have either bought an EV or are considering one. The politicization of EVs by BOTH sides is the biggest impediment to EV adoption. BOTH sides are guilty. PS: Lindsey Graham nailed it at the end.
I live in Europe. But if I had a vote in the usa it would be republican. There are more reasons to vote than EV only. Because economic woke behaviour is more destructiv for the USA than ICE cars... However I'm an early adopter for EV driving because I learned economics..especially the cost and costprice calculations (at accountancy education ) Also they drive fantastic. JJust ask all people negativ about EV. Park your car in the garage and close the door. Than start it and stay in that garage. I'll do the same with my EV.. Based on their reaction (I suppose they refuse). Why is it healthy to run that engine outside but not inside a building? (But do not claim anything about climate in combination with EV's. That makes no sense...Even not when you use the IPCC calculations.)
A big point for us, conservatives, to go EV/Solar is energy independence. We produce tons of oil, but this oil isn’t the right one to make gas, so we import tons of gas from Canada, Mexico and other places. I’d rather have all our energy needs be covered within our borders (Solar, Nuclear and whatnot), so we cannot be blackmailed ever again like we were in the 70’s. China is working on this direction, and it’s for this reason.
@@levenkay4468 That’s 6 kW of prime energy, which is electricity. There’s a lot more thermal energy that goes into refining than just the prime energy that was talked about.
@@levenkay4468 A single oil well pumpjack uses about 9,960 kWh of electricity per month, or enough to power an EV for 34,000 miles. There are over 400,000 pumjacks in operation in the US.
I was a new driver in ‘74. There was a gas station a few blocks from our house. Mom let me drive to the station (early evening) after closing, park the car at a pump and walk home. Next morning I’m back with the car shortly before the station opens and I’m one of the first to fill our car on the allotted odd/even day. Fun times!
Thank you so very much for these honest, and very informative, videos about the state of vehicle electrification in America. You give truthful information and are part of what America desperately needs right now: an honest and informed perspective free of bias or personal intent. We need more people like you to make this effort but love and appreciate those who do! Thank you Ben
I love when people tell me what I need to focus on financially. Let's be very clear, If my budget for a vehicle, right this minute, is $25K, and the only EV even close to that is $30K, I don't care what the COO over 5 years is, I STILL cannot afford the vehicle, RIGHT NOW. If need a vehicle right now to get to work, I am going to buy what I can afford right now, not what's going to save me money over 5 years. You cannot ask people to overextend themselves financially right now, on the promises of reduced costs in the next 5 years. That is not sound economics. Debt is a real problem in this country right now, and simply glancing over that to give poor financial advice is reckless and irresponsible, not to mention unrealistic. I will also add that the calculations of savings are based on prices right now, not five years from now. While optimistic thinking that prices will drop in five years is great, you cannot promise that it will drop, you can only hope and forecast it. What happens if something in the world drastically changes and the costs skyrocket, or if human greed kicks in and those cost drops vanish and prices go up? Now you have people in greater debt than they should be, and the savings they were hoping for are suddenly gone. No one can honestly say that won't happen because it has happened in the past several times, usually without warning.
The biggest problem EVs have is the upfront price. It's just more. The second is charging convenience. I live in an apartment for example. Only one charging spot.
Having lived through that time it was ridiculous. My parents owned a trucking company and our price for gas quadrupled. The airlines only allowed us to raise our rates once a year so it took years to recover. My mom sold the business for 50,000 to keep out of bankruptcy. Far less than what it was worth.
It amazes me that media sources send”journalists” to interview Lawmakers and neither of them have any idea about what they are discussing. Any journalist that sits there in silence and doesn’t show any sign of comprehension or asks for clarification is wasting my time when an informed journalist could be doing the interview. A good journalist, does the research, knows the responses he’s going to get and asks challenging questions to find the deeper information. News sources are putting “pageants” that have little or no meaning or support a narrative that makes both parties money. You can’t buy integrity, knowledge, wisdom, or foresight. They have to be earned, by asking the questions that nobody wants to hear, but we all need to hear.
If we care about Congo children, why don't we send teachers and doctors, and CPS to protect them? We could solve the child Congo problem for $100 million a year. No child left behind! Republicans would support that, clearly. Just take $10 million from each rich Red state federal support.
"No more potential for your car to spontaneously combusted due to a fuel leak" I'm generally in favor of EVs but I'm seeing the number of EV fires that have occurred due to shorts, thermal runaways, battery punctures, etc & how the resulting fires are generally hotter, more toxic, longer lasting, & harder to extinguish I don't believe EVs can claim to be safer regards to fire risk as though I'll grant that EV fires may be less common, they are substantial worse & we've already seen that EVs can explode from high speed cars just as gas powered cars can. The fire rish is still present it's merely different & in a form that most of our fire fighters & fire suppression systems currently are not trained or built for
The nature of batteries is that they are less energy dense than a flammable fuel. ICE fires are just as hot and have the potential to spread rapidly plus obviously far more likely to happen in the first place.
Yet another great story, thanks Ben. Why is it that by far the worst EV critics are ALWAYS people who don’t own one, and often also have an agenda based on ICE vehicles. One thing I can say for sure: after five years of Tesla ownership, I’ll NEVER EVER buy another ICE vehicle. (Slow, smelly, noisy, expensive to drive, and expensive to maintain.)
There are still many USA states where EVs are directly disincentivised by additional registration fees, road usage taxes, higher insurance premiums, and direct online sales prohibitions. EV ownership in these locations are often also indirectly disincentivised by sparse charging infrastructure, hostile local condominium/co-op boards/homeowners associations/town planning committees, and lack of local repair shops familiar with EVs.
While the US keeps agitating about the role of EV's, the Chinese will do to the EV/battery market like they did with the solar panel market. The ICE industry repeating the retread of Nokia, Erricson, Motorola, and Blockbuster.
Ben, fun fact to look into. More electricity is used in the drilling/refining/distribution of fossil fuels than ALL of the electricity used by the EV's in the United States. The actual number is hard to pin down. So on top of the fossil fuels used to get the fossil fuels, we're using something on the order of dozens of TWh per year to do it as well. Check it out.
Something I saw years ago that was hilarious was an oil well being powered by solar. Apparently the well was so far from the grid it was too costly to run wires, solar was cheaper.
@@joecushman6030 It is ironic. I have a family member who has been making a good living selling solar and batteries for just that purpose mostly in Texas. The good news is that everyone of those solar installations replaces what would likely be diesel generators, so they contribute to reducing GHG emissions.
I asked my local electric utility about this and they said that converting the US auto fleet to electric would reduce the load on the grid. They supply power to a refinery and they politely said that the refinery wasn't a very good customer. They also said that EVs are better as they can pause charging during peak times, reducing the need for system upgrades. V2G and microgrids will make things even better.
I currently drive a Tesla Model S 2024. It is my only vehicle and I’ve been driving EV‘s exclusively for the past three years. I absolutely love it and would never drive a gas powered vehicle again. I enjoy this channel and listening to your thoughts and I’ve learned a lot as a result. I often find myself in the middle of conversations regarding electric vehicles. Most of what I hear is FUD and what I learn here helps me to address what I hear with actual facts.
“The abstract issue of climate change”? I suggest “they” look at the photos of the damage already caused by fires, floods and hurricanes/typhoons/cyclones! Then ask insurers.
I am four years into Tesla EV ownership. I have experienced huge financial savings and outstanding vehicle performance. I will never go back to an ICE vehicle.
Same here. I leased a Model 3 in 2021 and now own a new '24 Model 3. No oil changes, radiator flushes or induction system cleanings. No worries about catalytic converters getting stolen and no mufflers/tail pipes to fail. Not to mention, I can turn it on in my garage to preheat, so no getting into a cold car and I can keep the climate control on while I'm in the grocery store on a hot summer day, so no hot seat when I return.
its so infuriating how everyone constantly harps on tax incentives provided for purchasing EV's while completely ignoring the massive incentives provided to the oil companies who have been insanely profitable for decades. Incentives are for new emerging markets/products, not for well established profitable products.
Subsidies for the fossil fuel industry in the United States alone are roughly 1 trillion dollars per year. If you remove those subsidies we're probably looking at much higher gasoline, natural gas, and coal prices. Then you wouldn't need subsidies for solar or wind..
@@macmcleod1188 You also wouldn’t need incentives for purchasing EVs. If our gas prices were not artificially low there be more people transitioning to EVs especially since most of the American automakers have completely abandoned smaller more fuel efficient cars.
That map you showed of the savings over 5 yrs of ownership is a lie. Using CompareEV online, I compared a base 2025 Malibu for $26k to a 2025 Base Model 3 for $35k. 15k miles/yr over 5 yrs in IL using current gas and kwh prices, the Model 3 cost $3.7k less on fuel, but it costs $9k more! That's AFTER the tax credit. "Switch to EV and your 5 year savings could look like this:* $3,661" That's $88 more per month I'd pay for an EV. Why would I put myself out like that? That makes no sense. At all.
I’ve often found. Actually, have always found, when you follow the money trail, you get a pretty clear answer as to why people vote and legislate the way they do.
when I bought my Bolt EV back in 2017, the extra cost didn't really bother my but after driving it I realized just having the QUEIT when on road worth the extra cost, love it
I got a Chevy Volt back then and enjoyed the EV part so much that I bought a Tesla after eight years. Too bad GM dropped that car, I only used gas on long drives, and it was a great commuter.
I love my Ioniq 6 but I must admit living in rural northern WI public charging stations for a good road trip is a true problem. And no none of the Tesla chargers here are open to other brands. I do believe once more supercharger stations are available in the boondocks more people will go electric. Now if the boys in girls in Madison and the lobbyists from the electric companies stop fighting EV electrification things might move faster, oh yeah and, when our MAGA congressmen stop lying to us about EVs that to will help.
@@davebryer6133 Hyundai will soon have access to Tesla chargers with the adaptor which Hyundai will give you for free. You should get access to most of the v3 sites. If you only have v2 sites, sorry no solution for that.
Road tripping with my Tesla is actually easier than my ICE vehicle. The charge stops are calculated to avoid busy locations, and I’m done charging by the time I’ve finished with bathroom breaks and getting something to eat. I also save tons of time and hassle not needing to fuel up every week by charging at home, not to mention having a car that’s Corvette fast and goes 300 miles on less than $10 of electricity.
The particulate matter from burning hydrocarbons not only aggravates asthma but also causes it in children. It can also lead to other lung disease including cancer.
Ben - it wold be good to look back in history to see whether the car and oil industry got subsidies for establishing distribution. Certainly it has been documented that they heavily lobbied government to make cities car friendly back when there were few cars, and later pushed heavily for suburban development to enshrine cars as necessary.
People say Evies are heavier than ice cars. That may be true for a size to size comparison, but average ice cars are quite a bit bigger than average electric cars and heavier so more tire dust.
That's true. There's no regen braking in ICE cars. Where EVs can blend regen into regular braking and preserve the brake pads for heavier slow-downs or emergencies.
Wow, Ben! Hello from Canada, eh! Great show today. Thank you. You are correct in pointing out a few things most people do not know, which government and oil companies wish to keep hidden from the public: Gasoline production is subsidized by government $$$, and the production of gasoline to a 'cleaner' standard uses cobalt. Now- Introducing a 'fix-all' by people such as Elon Musk. (Okay- ONLY Elon Musk) Before I dive into that (which is something you probably already know) I will tell you one thing you may have missed in the video you presented to us was how the actual COST of wind and solar compares to the cost of nuclear energy. No matter. Here are the points of the 'fix-all' by Mr. Musk: You already mentioned batteries without cobalt. There are companies in the US that are recycling batteries, which may be where Apple intends to purchase its recycled cobalt. Of course, Tesla is leaning towards removing cobalt entirely from the mix (as are many companies). To address the congressman and his statement that we need to find a way to sustainable transportation as a whole- Look at some Scandinavian countries and how the rail system is all electric. As you know, a diesel locomotive is electric- the diesel motor is to provide the electricity to the motors. Perhaps electrify our trains. Many companies are already developing electric semi trucks. Yet, only one is moving towards a fully autonomous truck- Tesla. And here is the kicker. If you were to be able to hail a taxi that would arrive in a reasonable time, drive you to work, drive you home from work after stopping for groceries first etc. and these taxi fares actually cost LESS than owning a reasonably priced vehicle, why would you own a vehicle? (Of course there are many edge cases where owning a vehicle is just warranted). So if the majority of people living in a large city opt OUT of purchasing a vehicle in favour of a properly sized vehicle showing up at their location and taking them and their luggage to where they need to go, without the cost of a vehicle (including maintenance, insurance, fuel, parking fees etc) when needed, you eliminate not only congestion on the road, but free up parking lots like the ones at big malls, and if those 'taxis' are electric, the associated pollution. Of course I am talking about the Cybercab here. Not to mention the Robovan for larger needs. And as for subsidizing by the government- Musk has already stated he wishes subsidies would stop- but that it MUST stop for the big oil companies as well. So- fewer vehicles on the road means cleaner air, safer environment as autonomous vehicles will drive safer than a human (with a cell phone and news their partner cheated on them or they lost their job or....), which means empty parking lots that can provide more parks or land for housing etc. I really hope Elon gets this message across to ALL members of congress, and give them an actual reason to be hopeful for the future.
5:00 that is a terrible stance to have. Imagine relying on one company for all power/ charging infrastructure. Imagine there was only one had company they could literally set prices however they want and there is no incentive to drive down prices. Eventually companies will become complacent without competition that’s basically a law of capitalism so having only one charging provider is just not good for the general public.
There are battery prototypes at density sufficient for airplanes now. So they're likely to be in electric planes sometime in the next two to four years. Analysts specializing in China expect this will entirely eliminate China's need for aviation fuel overtime.
I just got done watching this video. Using REPUBLICANS as the sole political voice on this topic is really telling. They want to get rid of ev incentives. WHY would you want to only have their opinion on this topic. CRAZY!
Because due to Elon Musk, taking aside, Democrats have decided to selectively fund EV companies that are helping them politically. I understand it because why would they help someone this trying to get them voted out of office? That’s like helping someone that’s trying to get you fired. I disagree with most Republicans who don’t support EV’s just because it is the future and it’s going to happen regardless of political affiliation. I just don’t think the government is helping even if they’re trying. What has Biden done in four years to push EV adoption? After four years, he managed to have 240 chargers installed. No, not charging stations but single vehicle chargers. That’s a big nothing burger. Tesla could’ve done that in a few months. It’s not the fault of the Democrat party because even if the Republican Party were decide to support this, it wouldn’t go any faster. The US Government is just too inefficient to get this done.
Ben, Thank you for your content! So refreshing to get counter-statements against the FUD we get from the mainstream media. Your objective posts are great!
Want we’ve learned is that ev’s are the future. The internal combustion engine will soon be something for hobbyists and museums, next horse carriages and steam locomotives. We’ve also learned that outsourcing all production to china to make more profit for the capitalists company owners because production in china is cheaper was a huge mistake and must be reversed asap. Without tariffs, because this will only lead to rising prices for consumers and lazy car makers in the US and Europe because their drive to optimize production is gone.
@@matsvanzelm7220 “want we’ve learned…”? I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. Maybe you’re using a Translation App from another language? God, I sure hope so.
I have a Bolt EV and can't plug in at home, so I depend 100% on the charging infrastructure, and I can affirm with confidence that the cost of charging my car is comparable if not higher ths than what the cost was to fill up the tank on my previous vehicle.
Why do Americans love to rubbish Tesla? It is an American company creating good vehicles and competing well against Chinese automakers. I would have thought the public would get behind them more.
Agree with most of what you state. I do not agree with the statement that since 67% of people park near an outlet that they can easily be set-up to charge at home. My condo (built 1958) has subterranean parking for over 100 cars. Each is within 20 feet of an outlet. None of these outlets are metered to the nearby car, none are connected to a circuit that can support 220V charging and the building may (or may not) have enough electrical capacity to support wide spread EV charging. So yes we have a nearby outlets but installing charging is a bit involved.
You CAN charge of 110V. And you CAN plug the charging brick of your car into any of those sockets and give a damn about who pays for that electricity That is not the solution thou. The solution would be a level 2 charger for every parking spot and a load management that keeps track of the power in respect to the buildings electrical service so no breakers can trip
@@PragmaticPragmatic As I said: This is not a good solution. But it is possible You almost always can adjust the charging current somewhere. Either in your car or in the charging brick. This can be set as low as 6A, so your neighbor and you will draw 12A from a 15A circuit. Not great, but possible
@@PragmaticPragmatic 6A at 110V gives you 660W. Assuming a 10 hour charge per night gives you 6.6kWh per day or about 20 Miles added per night. Assuming at least one 24h charge over the weekend gives you another 50 miles every week. Again: Not great, but possible
Had just got my license in 73, and me and my buddies were freaking out over the gas prices and setting in lines for an hour just to get 10 gals! We soon learned how to siphon .
Another great segment, Ben! Interesting how all of these car magazines/bloggers were initially so big on electric vehicles and now have turned around. A prime example is consumer reports. I used to have a lot of faith in this organization, but not anymore. Their gas car bias is so extreme. But I really don’t blame them. They would report themselves out of a job like the other car mags. I would love to hear you address the amazing bias in the car reporting industry including consumer reports. Of course, folks like me that have a strong feeling towards electric vehicles. Also have a strong bias.
CR uses data. Remember every Solar Panel, EV and windmill start with huge carbon debt. So the last five years renewables have made the environment worse. We'll have to see what the data says down the road to see if we're heading in the right direction. In five years the EV fire issue should be mostly solved while using less rare earth minerals and removing weight. So that's good. But it's a long road.
During the COVID pandemic, when many businesses closed or did work remote people in many cities of the country India found they had beautiful views of the Himalayan mountains. Since the end of the worst of the virus this has been lost to them, till they embrace EVs.
List of things that use LiIon batteries with Cobalt. Smart phones, Laptops, Tablets, Portable Speakers, Backup Power Supplies, Cameras, Electric Tools, Cordless Shavers.....okay....okay...this list goes on. But I think you get the point.
The structural characteristics of US homes by state, 2020 - Homes that can park car within 20 feet of an outlet: 1. There is a note on this number in the report. They did not survey apartments with 5 or more units. How much of the population lives in such apartments? 2. The survey was completed by 18,496 people. Out of these, respondents who lived in apartment with more than 5 units were not asked to answer the question. Not sure how many actually responded to this question. This is important to know as this is the sample size that is being projected to the population 3. The response rate was ~38%. You have to wonder what kind of a person is more likely to respond to this survey. A person who goes to work or a person who works from home? In other words, while the selection of the sample may be reasonable, the response may have a bias with this low level of response. The document says that they found no significant bias, but they have not explained how they came to that conclusion. AFAIK there is no way to do this 4. Being able to park within 20 feet of an outlet does not mean you can charge an EV from that outlet. You may not be able to run a cable across threshold like door. Also you need a 240V 16A+ outlet for it to be practical. Most renters cannot upgrade the outlet. Many homes cannot do the upgrade as well. The correct survey question would have been "Do you have, or can you upgrade to, a 240V 16A+ outlet and use that to charge an EV?" 5. Data from 18,496 respondents (households) has been projected to all 127 million US households. In other words, only 0.0145% households were surveyed to create this report. This is beyond absurd 6. The count of total households comes from census data. They survey ~3.5 million people and project it to the entire US population. They do not count every household. They send a survey to a sample. They can be way off as well
Listening to the against arguments sounds so much like other arguments against progress. Adding pollution controls, adding seat belts, getting lead out of gas, adding airbags to cars. There was great resistance in all these instances. Now try convincing the public to go back on this progress. I think the closest example to what will happen in EV adoption is what happened during the two oil crises in the 70’s. It left the US car industry flat footed when they had little to nothing to offer in the way of fuel-efficient vehicles. That was a real boon to the Japanese manufacturers. The legacy manufacturers know this is what is about to happen with BEV’s, this time it will be China, not Japan. What will likely happen before actual EV mandates force everyone’s hands, will be the network effect. I suspect range anxiety is still a huge factor in people’s decision. People still believe in the ubiquity of gas stations. The thing is, it doesn’t take much drop in sales of gas to impact the viability of a gas station. In the 1970’s there were about 200,00 gas stations in the US, in the 1990’s that had dropped nearly in half. As sales at gas stations and convenience stores drops, they will close or stop offering gasoline for sale. The logistics of building and operating a gas station will be a further disincentive. Offering charging services at retail locations will become increasingly easier to implement compared to burying fuel tanks and having proper access to the fuel trucks that refill the tanks. Once the public has to search harder for a place to fill up, the more range anxiety will shift away from EVs and more towards ICE vehicles. At that point it quickly becomes game over.
Some qualms: Cobalt is not consumed in desulfurization, that's what catalyst means. Reactors do wear out and have to be retired eventually, but the CoMo catalyst can be refreshed/recycled indefinitely. From global data, it does not look like this is a significant sink of cobalt compared to NMC battery production. NMC batteries can also be recycled of course, but the initial push to produce a bunch of batteries from virgin materials is a legitimate concern. LFP is a great solution to the cobalt problem. Unfortunately practically all LFP production to date is done in China. Ford is reportedly developing the first American LFP plant, slated to begin production in 2026. SK On is also working on providing Korean LFPs on a similar timeline. So that problem is getting fixed, but so far all LFPs you can buy are Chinese. And there are not many of those in the US, for cars at least. And just to end on a more agreeable note: Even if there were no way around the cobalt problem, EVs would still be a better option than gas cars. Carbon emissions from fossil fuels are the biggest threat that all of humanity faces. Humanitarian problems from cobalt production are a political issue, not inherent to the metal itself. It's worth using other cobalt sources (as we do) and putting pressure on the DRC in other ways. Cobalt itself is not actually the issue.
What do you think happens to the catalysts in all cars? You think there is still those elements on them after being used? There isn't. The cobalt is lost in the process. It's not consumed, but it simply disappears.
@sprockkets Some catalyst can be washed out in the process of operation for sure, but that doesn't often happen to the bulk of the material which is bonded to a solid substrate. Catalytic converters in cars usually stop working because they either get clogged or poisoned by contaminants. The catalyst is still in there.
During the oil crisis in the 1970's I remember how New Zealand vehicle usage and fuel supply was limited to alternate days based on which letter was included on your licence plate number. I was in primary school at the time. Only emergency vehicles were exempt, as you'd expect. Having no oil or gas reserves of our own at that time, and as an island nation in the Pacific Ocean, you can imagine just how scary the oil crisis was. New Zealand was lucky in that we'd developed significant amounts of hydro power by then, so in terms of electricity supply, the impact wasn't as severe as it could have been. But for an economy that was heavily reliant on the agricultural sector at that time, and still is to a significant degree, any interuption to reliable regular fuel supplies did pose something of an existential threat, both in terms of domestic food self-sufficiency and exports; my family were farmers at the time.
That's weird, in the US, my Hyundai has access and I would have supposed Kia was the same thing. The Tesla charger is my closest, best charger, though pricey. Fortunately most of mine is home now.
@@gregsparrow1499 Yep about half. But the percent of time for many of us EV users on fast chargers is less than 10% of are over all charging. For my wife and I sub 1%.
@gregkramer5588 Yes,, 99% of my charging for my EV6 is also from home. I am just pointing out that a 150 or higher CCS charger will charge a Kia faster than a Supercharger.
I disagree that nearly 70% of households are near an outlet. I think it's excluding all those who live in the City, or an Apartment/Condo. When I lived in an apartment in 2018, my current car at the time got totaled. I received enough of a payout from equity that I could have easily purchased a Model 3. And I did the math knowing cost of ownership for the gas car, mileage driven per year...etc.. and the Math said it would take me 5 years to reach parity, that included the cost of installing a charger in my assigned parking spot. I spoke to the Land Lord and was flat out denied, even knowing that when I moved out, he would keep the charger and could advertise that as part of the unit. For those that live in an apartment or condo, and cannot charge at home, they must pay to charge at a charging station somewhere, which when you consider that the average supercharger around me in IL costs about .37/KwH, thats nearly 10x the cost of charging at home. In fact, if you have to supercharge, based on the math in my area of IL, it works out that it would be about the same price as a Prius Hybrid per mile. And for public charging, there simply aren't enough DC fast chargers. As an example, I considered taking my Plaid on a road trip with my car club, we usually go between 150-200 miles per gas stop. After I got the route, I started looking for charging in the area, and while I did find some L2 chargers that might allow me to make the trip, a L2 wouldn't allow for the charge speeds necessary to compete with a 15-20m stop to get the whole group filled up. Meaning the Tesla was not an option on this trip. This is a pattern that has held up over the last 2 years during our single day, and 2 day road trips. The charging infrastructure is just not there to support it. Tail of the Dragon, Indiana Nurburgring, Stage Coach Trail in IL+WI. And are annual trips like the Lake Circle tour around Lake Michigan, and the Kentucky Bourbon Trail. We still need MANY more DC fast charging locations because most of our Road Trips are on country backroads, avoiding major metropolitan area's, or suburbs. The Fun Roads are rarely near populated area's. that said, I love my Plaid as a daily driver, and I've had tons of fun with it at the drag strip. As a daily driver its great as long as I get to come back to home base and charge at home overnight.
I just watched a video about how unreliable EV's are in cold weather. The articles featured are written by people who want EV's and they talked about how much they suck when it's cold. Range is drastically reduced, especially if you run the heater and you have to drive like a granny to keep from losing more range.
Richard : I own an EV for several years now, and yes while the range is reduced in cold temperatures, I never had an issue to start my car, I don’t need any special winter diesel so it doesn’t turrn into jelly, instead I can conveniently preheat my car and defrost it before I even get into the car, and I sure don’t drive like a granny because it doesn’t help preserving anything in winter. Unless you drive several hundred miles every day, you maybe charge every 4-5 days instead of every 6 days for an average driver. I really don’t see the issue with that.
The northeast has a very large number of people whom are living in homes without a garage and apartments/condos. Are we going to put in charging stations for the large apartment buildings? I’d love to hear the stats for ownership specifically north of the Mason/ Dixon line.
Gas rationing story. My older sister was living in another state that didn't do day-of-week rationing, but moved back to Iowa, which did have it, but unknown to her. Back then, gas was pumped by attendants, which is how they enforced the rationing rules. So my sister went to get some gas. Pulled in, ding ding, attendant walks out, sister says "fill-er-up". The attendant says, "I can't, you're odd." Sis says, "Don't be a smart ass, just pump the gas!". Seriously though, something nobody talks about is the expense of fast charging. In a Supercharging trip across the country in a rented M3 this past summer, I kept track of costs, and it was so high that I could have driven a Prius and saved money on fueling. That's ridiculous.
And why do you keep using supercharge network? At peak hour? If you are road warrior. Their Hotel chain has end point charger. You dont pay extra for your room rate. Holiday Inn and Hilton have end point charger. So, I book my lodging at Holiday Inn. Charge up at night, go out full in morning. When I get home, I plug in my LV2. At low hours, getting juice almost for free.
@@林振华-t4v Sure bro, let's pay $125 for a hotel room to save nothing on charging, and somehow that is supposed to work how when you only traveled 250 miles.
It is talked about a fair amount, you have to use your brain, even if it costs you the same on long trips, you save Monday through Friday and save on maintenance
@@sprockketshow many hours you need to clock in 1 shift? If you are doing 70 miles/h. And you ge 150 miles out from 1 charge. You already spend 1/4 of your 8 hour shift on road. That is alot for bussiness travel.
Pedantic correction: Hyundai/Kia do not yet have access to superchargers. That is slated to begin January 15th. So far, Ford, Rivian, and GM are the only automakers that have already enabled Tesla Supercharger access. The rest of those in your list are “pending”.
On the nuclear issue, diversity is helpful, however government corruption prevails. In the past 30 years no nuclear project was completed on time and on budget. The only way they were completed, was with massive amounts of government subsidies after realizing they’ll go broke. A 90% compete nuclear power plant produces 0 Watts of power. Corrupt politicians love this environment, as they can easily arrange a quid pro quo. Meanwhile, solar and wind projects are regularly completed on time and on budget. They are great investments for the private sector, and are functional before reaching 100% completion.
I laughed when I saw the background of the MT interview in an auto showroom with the absolute worst performing, expensive EV sold today, a Hummer. And it is in Turlock, one of the Reddest parts of blue California. I own a Tesla, a 2007 Prius and in 2000 I rode a recumbent bicycle solo across the USA just to see how possible it was to do such a trip in our economy dominated by gasoline car sales promoted by the oil and automaker duopoly. In southern Illinois, a blue state, I had to ride on secondary roads worn out from grain trucks carrying their product towards Chicago. Right beside these subsidized highways, as in many other states I passed through, were railroad tracks going from small town grain elevator to the next small town grain elevator. The tracks were rusty, probably because the subsidized highway was cheaper to use, or the railroad had gone bust and a less efficient trucking co took on the delivery contract. You are right, there are a lot of hidden subsidies. Tesla has capitalized on many of them on behalf of the more recalcitrant automakers, which makes me wonder if videos like the one you criticize here are deliberate attempts to slow EV sales so that they can begin to catch up.
Good point. I calculated the amount of cobalt used in refining as quite small but I anticipated this application didn’t have much of a recycling component as is the case with BEV batteries where virtually all of the cobalt gets recycled. Unknown to most people is that cobalt is recovered in trace quantities in many mining operations. Ontario Canada has a town called cobalt so you gotta think there’s a bunch of it around just north of the US border. Ironic that the petroleum ministry has been using call Bolt mine from African slave labor for a century but heaven forbid that any of that cobalt should wind up in an electric vehicle. Also ironic that the electric vehicle market is responding to criticism and eliminating cobalt or I’m sure the petroleum industry Will continue using it and denying it’s a problem.
Good point. I calculated the amount of cobalt used in refining as quite small but I anticipated this application didn’t have much of a recycling component as is the case with BEV batteries where virtually all of the cobalt gets recycled. Unknown to most people is that cobalt is recovered in trace quantities in many mining operations. Ontario Canada has a town called cobalt so you gotta think there’s a bunch of it around just north of the US border. Ironic that the petroleum ministry has been using call Bolt mine from African slave labor for a century but heaven forbid that any of that cobalt should wind up in an electric vehicle. Also ironic that the electric vehicle market is responding to criticism and eliminating cobalt or I’m sure the petroleum industry Will continue using it and denying it’s a problem.
Great video, Ben. Where is the air pollution worst in the US? Cities/urban areas. Why? Transportation pollution. Pretty simple. The location of the pollution and how many people it affects is a critical consideration.
Healthcare cost for driving a gasoline vehicle is around $.04 per mile but a diesel is around $.10 per mile which is starting to get close to the cost of the fuel in the first place. That’s not counting 180,000 to 350,000 premature deaths every year due to the burning of fossil fuels which is on pace with the death rate over the two years of the Covid pandemic. Healthcare cost alone would fully justify National push to BEVs not taking into account $7 to $12T in global climate change costs nor the cost of noise pollution making cities less livable. We can argue about the actual numbers all day long but Fossil Fuel Company misinformation would tell us the BEVs are causing the problem. Similar projection to what we see in politics; Fossil Fuel Companies accuse the other side of causing the problem they have caused.
Hey, great to see the Chasm chart. I worked in tech in the 1990s on some cutting edge stuff, and I had the folks who created this chart come to speak to our people about how to penetrate into the early majority. Once you get in there, then it takes off. My favorite part (if I remember correctly) was that they said in the majority area, you have the gorilla, the lead chimp (to harass the gorilla and keep him innovating and in line), and the also-rans. You want to expand as fast as possible in the early majority (even not making money) to become that gorilla.
As a child in the 1970's I remember the fuel crisis effects in my country. Speed limits were dropped from 75mph to 50 and strictly enforced with massive fines, no fuel was allowed to be sold outside of normal business hours. Fuel sales also stopped Friday afternoon till Monday morning. No cans of fuel allowed in a vehicle eg Jerry cans. If you had an emergency over a weekend you had to get a letter of authority from a local police station to allow you to buy fuel and that was only for life and death. Big US gas guzzlers disappeared completely from our roads and was replaced with smaller European and Japanese cars.
However after a fairly short time, it led to a great disrespect for the law in geographically large states. And we never had the fuel can restrictions because we had gasoline mowers.
@@macmcleod1188 I over simplified it maybe. We were allowed to carry fuel in cans in town for things like mowers, but you were not allowed to carry it between towns.
@@JJSmith1100 Wow. So I looked it up and they restricted transporting gasoline in containers in four states. California - Implemented rules about transporting gas in containers to reduce the risk of leaks and fires. New York - Enforced regulations relating to the storage and transportation of gasoline to manage shortages. New Jersey - Implemented restrictions on the sale and transport of gasoline amid the crisis. Illinois - Imposed laws that limited the amount of gasoline that could be carried in containers. It wasn't restricted in my state (Texas). It's possible I missed some states in the search too.
3:15 That’s not basically everyone. Just off the top of my head you don’t have Toyota the largest automaker in the world (though they don’t have a ton of EVs they should still be in the program) same goes with Honda and Subaru. I also know people who have a car manufacture you listed but can’t get the adapter cause the supply is low. Currently Fords adapter is out of stock and I couldn’t find data for others besides ti Ian who is in stock but it just seems misleading to say anyone can use Tesla charger when a lot of people who want to can’t.
"They're still building [filling stations] today." ??? I've seen far more fueling stations close than open in southeastern New York / SW Connecticut since 2000 - despite no shortage of vehicle traffic. Many were simply redundant; others closed when they could no longer justify paying the costs of environmental compliance to stay in business.
Me too for my electric Mini Cooper SE (BMW is the parent company) Apparently the electric handshake between Tesla charger and the Mini needs to be worked out. I have started researching Tesla to Mini adaptors as we are promised the link between Tesla/BMW/Mini in very early 2025. I would love to get a 2nd Mini BEV Countryman but my wife still worries about a crappy charging network for long car trips......so let us hope the Tesla/BMW/Mini linkage works out.
Excellent analysis. As someone with MPH in biostatistics and is familiar with tactics of the tobacco industry, a problem of our times is the passing off of a seemingly rational, logical, even informed hypothesis as fact when it is really only the FIRST step in the scientific method and based on one's current model. Resorting to mere doubt of the current science is another tactic of our time, when an opposition has no data to counter with. You are correct that those opposing EVs (for whatever reason) selectively cherry pick only those data that support their seemingly rational hypothesis. The public is then lost in the wilderness without a compass.
15:00: Funny thing, if there is no "real demand" for EVs, then why do the United States and Canada have huge tariffs on Chinese EVs? I mean, those tariffs would be silly if there was no demand, right? And tariffs completely contradict "free market" principles, right? 23:30: I wonder, can anyone find any recorded statements by the Arkansas Republican concerning cobalt BEFORE he started his anti-EV crusade? Did he ever worry about the use of cobalt in hydrodesulfurization catalysts in oil refining? (A point you refer to after I typed this.)✓ Good video, but I wish you'd STOP referring to climate change as "abstract". That's bullshit. In 2023, the Texas town where I live had 75 days with the high over 100 ˚F - a record by a wide margin. In the 143 year weather history of of the town, four of the five of the hottest years were in the past 15 years.
Nuclear: Also the cost and time to decommission, they ALL take more money to run and maintain than was planned at inception, and is also incredibly expensive to build. Compare with solar panels and batteries? Solar + batteries wins in almost every case.
What's up with Maine and West Virginia being more expensive for EV ownership over 5 years? Is electricity that much more expensive there or is it infrastructure lagging behind?
Yes during the oil embargo things were tough and truckers were shooting at snowmobiles as gas wasters. We are 100% dependant on imported oil as we can not use any oil pumped in the US as it is light oil and here we can only refine heavy oil which does not exist here. Check that out. Also the anti EV Roderick is 100% republican driven as Republicans are owned by big oil
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How can you think evs are over the first hurdle?..
How did you get to 300k subz with this view
7.5 billion that's billion not million
Without subsidy the ev would be done
Where does the electricity for an ev come from the electricity fairly..?
Where do u think the elictric power comes from
And there is lots of ev cars going up in flames you are a fool
Maybe I missed it, but one thing that was not mentioned was the production of Ethanol for use a fuel. It turns out, half of the US corn crop goes into producing Ethanol. What's more is the the fermentation of corn to produce the Ethanol releases tons of CO2. So much CO2, that they are pumping it through high pressure (1200 psi) pipelines to North Dakota for underground storage. The whole idea of using our farmlands to produce a single crop as a fuel additive is insane.
A lot for sure. The actual number is 40%. The good thing is that farmers in the US get huge yields on corn ground.
American uses 1.5x the cereals used in Africa for food, to supply ethanol to dilute into its gasoline as E10 bioethanol (only 10%).
Imagine trying to use biofuels for all America's fuel needs.
@makerspace533: That’s a bit more complicated than you think. A non-trivial number of ethanol distillers will take in corn that would be rejected by even the most lenient feed mill in the world. I’m not allowed to name the company, but there’s one distiller that buys grain that’s upto 5x the foreign material (mostly corn cobs and stalks, but also the dust that’s produced just by the kernels bumping against each other as they flow through the spout) and over 2x the max for “damaged” kernels (usually some kind of microbe activity, but also includes grain that was stored too warm for too long, and also the little bits that get moldy). Selling bushels of grain to an ethanol distiller is literally a weapon of last resort, because they are often sold for a loss (compared to selling to a feed producer). Now yes, there can be ethanol distillers that have tighter specs for the grain they take in; but those are also the ones that get very limited business, because they take close to an hour to dump a single hopper-bottom truck (for context, 8-10 minutes is considered painfully slow). But I digress; back to the point. Ethanol distillers can be picky, but most take in the grain that nobody else will, and turn it into a sellable product. And while doing so, they produce a by-product called DDGs which feed mills absolutely love since it has much higher concentration of protein and minerals per unit volume (compared to just milled grain).
Ethanol is the biggest scam it doesn't help at all and is a problem in most fuel systems causes corrosion and a net 10% loss in fuel mileage
Very little corn is consumed as corn.
Most of it becomes ethanol and Pepsi etc
As a journo in this industry myself, I applaud the quality of your research and polite discussion of the facts. I have enjoyed your series on EV misinformation immensely. Keep up the good work - and know it's appreciated. G'day from stinking hot Australia!
Much appreciated!
I’m also from Australia and I agree. Keep up the good work. 😁
hot in the winter?! lol-- that's my mocking of my own ignorami fellow-americans some of whom very likely don't know it's winter down under.
“Journo”, “ignorami”; how about we return to speaking the English language correctly. 😮.
@@joehowe9532 Slang is part of the English language. 'Journo" is Australian slang, it's an abbreviation for "journalist". Ignorami is Latin - it's the plural of ignoramus. And yes, Latin words have been absorbed into the English language as well.
I love your videos and your fight against FUD, Ben. Keep up the great work! We need more voices like yours!
Since 2015, here in the UK, the EV industry has been subsidised to the tune of around £60 billion, which is around £20 billion LESS than the fossil fuel industry in the same period, which has gotten around £80 billion.
It is free market capitalism to subsidize the oil companies.
It is evil communism to give renewable or EVs and cent of government help!
@@TheKnightsShield - Fossil fuel subsidies in the US have cumulatively added up to TRILLIONS. The American military hasn’t spent decades in the Middle East in order to defend the sand. And that’s all been funded by the taxpayers. Even the East India company had to pay soldiers out of its own pocket to “defend” its interests. IMO, the oil industry is the greatest corporate welfare hog in human history, bar none. If a “business” requires the largest military in the world to keep it alive - at 100% taxpayer expense - then it’s not a real business. Left to the free market, the oil industry is completely unviable; left to the free market, there would’ve been a dozen alternative technologies developed by now.
Politicians never let a little thing like the truth get in the way of an awesome soundbite.
Yeah and neither do most writers biased towards EVs .
@@mikehenson819 you could expand that to include *anyone* biased towards EVs
Sadly, you, Ben Sullins are one of the few heroic and dedicated people who can be bothered to hold politicians, journalists, lobbyists or other professional talking heads accountable for being wrong. Mostly they live entirely in the present and future with the past wiped from the record. If it were otherwise, every political pollster in the US would have fallen on his sword sometime in late October!
Imma need politicians to stop using children for empathy points when they don't GAF about children here in US
The children work in the mines because they have no other options. Are we leaving them with no options at all?
@@robertwhite3503This unfortunately, is the Sad truth.
Come on! Most do care about children. WTH are some kind of Russian propagandist. Sure sounds like it.
Soi true. The particulate matter from burning hydrocarbons not only aggravates asthma but also causes it in children. It can also lead to other lung disease including cancer.
True! The French fixed their spelling system a bit lately by NOT forcing current users to relearn or use the new spellings. Orwell called it (the English spelling system) tormenting, preposterous, irrational; Einstein, treacherous. Research proved it. What will it take?
The attacks on electrification of transportation are only going to get worse as EV's continue to penetrate the market. To those involved with the sales and servicing of gasoline and diesel vehicles EV's represent a major threat to their career choice. This is especially true for new car dealers. Over 40% of a typical dealership's revenue comes from the sales of parts and service which are HEAVILY (if not exclusively) dependent upon gasoline and diesel vehicles. Dealers in particular view EV's as an existential threat and IMHO are a major player in the efforts of the anti-EV cabal. They won't admit this as it undermines their narrative on ICE vehicle reliability (exposing how the lack of it makes Big $$$ for dealers). While manufacturers continue to push EV's their dealers want nothing to do with them.
Dealerships have powerful representation on their side. They are represented by one of the country's most powerful lobbies, the National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA). The NADA actively engages with policymakers, regulatory bodies, and legislators to shape legislation and regulations that benefit dealerships. The NADA knows how to speak with congressmen $$$
Ask not what you can do for your country.
Ask what your country can do for your country's oil companies.
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I was at the University of Hawaii during the gas crisis in 73 I think it was. I got up at the crack of dawn to be the first in line for gas. When it came to be my turn I asked for $1.00 of gas. The gas station attendant was astonished but that is all the money I had. Gas was around $.50 a gallon back then so I got two gallons. Luckily I had a ten speed Raleigh bicycle so I was able to travel throughout Honolulu with it's mild climate. I was driving a 1970 Ford Maverick six cylinder which had pretty good gas mileage for its day so all was good. Today I drive a Model 3 Tesla which has even better gas mileage partially in response to the day I could only get one dollar worth of gas.
Thanks for sharing! And man, Hawaii in the 70s must have been amazing
Thanks! Ben. We need honesty
Thanks George!
Yes! Nice
And cobalt is used to produce gasoline. Oops. Left that out.
True. Most consumers don't realize that fossil fuel refineries use cobalt as a catalyst to desulfurize petroleum.
Most people don't know. Way to go
I presume the cobalt used in refineries is a one time use? Where batteries with cobalt can be recycled.
Don't forget that refineries use a lot of electricity as well.
@@imcheaperthanyou9805 Catalyst so not consumed in use and recyclable. Less than 4% of Cobalt use is for ALL industrial catalysts - a magnitude more for EVs.
The cobalt gasoline connection was something i did not know.
Knowing it's the biggest use of cobalt is a nice data point to have in my back pocket.
The information about the batteries was released by the oil industry, they decided to weaponize the information to use against the EV industry while hiding the fact they use it themselves!
Despite the information being out, you don't see people getting mad at the oil industry... Hypocrisy at it's finest.
NO its a lie!
People you can google this in seconds, STOP making up the argument with falsehoods!
Less than 4% of Cobalt use is for ALL industrial catalysts - a magnitude more for EVs. And catalysts are recycled.
Almost all Cobalt comes as a byproduct of mining copper (69%) and nickel (29%). predominantly from Australia!
Ben knows this!
@@waynerussell6401in the United States alone it's roughly 400 tons of cobalt per year for gasoline production.
That's an easy Google with keywords in that sentence.
@@waynerussell6401 Ben also knows that cobalt used in battery packs is recycled. Sorry, no, cobolt lost in oil refining is lost to the environment where it is poison. Still, it bothers me a great deal that people pretend that the only source of cobolt is little children in mines in Africa. Honestly, give me a break!
@@dzcav3 So it's ok to use child labor if you only use 3% of the production of it?
Also as ben pointed out, EV makers and smarphone companies are moving away from cobalt.
Is the oil industry doing the same thing? or are they like idgaf?
I wish they would stop asking dealers about ev sales.... There is a huge conflict... Dealerships don't want to see EVs come as they stand to lose a huge portion of their income from maintenance on EVs vs ICE
@@michaelbartley2079 I hear you. I can smell the desperation when I go in for scheduled maintenance. Apparently I really need to pay them 65 dollars to change the cabin air filter. Hard pass.
Don't underestimate the ability of stealerships to invent new ways of making money. They will find ways like bundling service and maintenance plans to purchase agreement and warrantees which can only be honoured when being serviced by "authorised" dealers. Now granted there aint much to do with EV maintenance, but don't be surprised to see things like annual motor inspection, differential oils and oil filters, software updates, low friction bearings and suspension parts which may wear quickly due to increased vehicle weight etc...
@@thabzmad7265 Not in a Tesla. No schedule maintenance with Tesla.
Hardly. EVs will become throwaway cars. Maybe less maintenance but more scrapping and selling of new ones.
@@thabzmad7265 Don't forget blinker fluid. Got to keep that topped up!
EVs are a niche market type of vehicle and the only way they will be adopted en masse is if they're mandated. Not everyone wants to have one of these things for many different reasons.
Sure, so it is not like greenhouse gasses are accumulating in the atmosphere. I mean every year co2 levels set a new record, and in term average global temperatures continue to rise.
@PHa-l6v if you're worried about the so-called man made climate change, you should check not only the scientific evidence but the numbers related to CO2 emissions.
@PHa-l6v so, according to your particular world view, bureaucrats should have the power to mandate these things because you adhere to the "man made climate change" cult?
I don't think they are niche market. I think in same way that the United States spent money to build highways. It can spend money to develop EV charging infrastructure. The cost of EV ownership makes it a viable option.
@@demetricklouis5710 yeah that’s re a niche market and they really aren’t for everyone. Building the charging infrastructure yes can be don’t however it’s the cost of transferring the electricity. Verse fuels that transfer process alone is 3 trillion dollar😏.
It was my "Present Bias" that made me buy a used one year old EV instead of new here in Canada. The depreciation made it a no-brainer.
It was my "Future Bias" that is making us realize over $4,500 in fuel savings each year, and knowing this car will be "free" in about 6 years.
Even though what you have laid out here is absolutely correct. You try and tell someone who is in denial. They will construct arguments and excuses to maintain their world view despite all the evidence.
@Skyhawk1480 My next car will be an EV but I worry about buying used. What did you buy? Did you get a used car warranty?
@@doittoit00 Buy a used low mileage EV - the manufacturer's warranty will transfer to the new owner.
@@doittoit00 The last I bought is a used 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV Premier from the dealer in show room condition that was previously on a 6 month short-term lease. A lot of people take on these short leases where available in order to test out a new EV before committing to buying.
It had 8,000 km on the odometer when we drive it home from the dealership, with a little over 5 years of the original 6 year bumper-to-bumper warranty, and over 7 year warranty on the battery. I saved nearly $20,000 over the new models they had left at the same dealership. That first 8,000 km was very expensive for someone!
@@Skyhawk1480 the very first km ist the most expensive a car will ever take.
Okay unless it's a ridiculously expensive car that you'll have restored even after totalling, maybe.
I was a new driver when gas went from $00.30 to $00.75 during the first oil embargo. Lines at every station went for blocks with a sign on the last car being filled that day. We carried five gallon gas cans in order to make road trips. At that time Japanese cars were the new thing American auto makers said nobody wanted.
No way 68% of people live within 20ft of a charger.
Ah, he said outlet, not charger. That could mean just a standard 110v household outlet which means in a few days, you could charge your car! :p
I’ve said for years that homes with street parking only or apartments with street parking only will see huge price declines as gas cars go away.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q Loads of on street chargers will solve this. Basic slow chargers are key for EV adoption in areas where you don't have a drive to charge.
In the US the planning policy dictates new developments need huge parking lots. It won't take much change in policy make sure rows of cheap destination chargers are added in the future.
thank you missed the point. he was talking about being close to your electrical plug in your house in most cases.
@@Jamessansome Street chargers won’t work. Those older homes without driveways and garages will be much less desirable. BEVs will be the norm as range is quickly catching up to gas cars.
Ben, i’m the one who first started talking about cobalt in the fuel having worked in the refineries. The problem is much bigger at the refinery level because some of this powdered catalyst that’s in-trained in the hot fuel is lost to the fuel. Another word stays in the fuel, so we end up burning the catalyst in every gallon of gasoline, which has to be replaced with more mining. most of the catalyst is recovered with electrostatic precipitator‘s .
This process is called Hydro cracking and Hydro forming which is breaking down all the hydrogen carbon bonds and then rebuilding the molecule which takes huge thermal energy and electrical energy or prime energy in the refining process
Stop spoiling a good story with actual facts! 😅
@@FutureSystem738
"Dammit! My mine is made up.. Don't try to confuse me with the facts!"
LOL!
Ben forgot to call out the statement from the Arkansas Republican, that ''wind and solar are ... inefficient'', when the exact opposite is true. And he called oil & gas ''low carbon'' - OMG!!
Not to mention that solar and iron flow salt water storage batteries are four times more cost effective than implementing nuclear energy.
It is low Carbon, after all the CO2 has been released from the process … typical Media BS …
Wind and solar are unreliable.
Just one small part of the fossil fuels propaganda that absolutely drips from that video.
Watch this video again and try to count all the lies, and FUD from pretty much every clip.
It's not just the reporter, and those being interviewed either; it's the female voice over as well.
Once you start counting, you start to realize just how much the industry twists virtually everything to stay in power.
They are the ones calling the shots here, make no mistake about that.
There are countries where they don't have that power.
China is one of those countries. Ethiopia (Africa's biggest electricity producer, who have virtually no oil), is another.
Ethiopia has no car industry. They banned the importation of fossil fuel vehicles, so they don't have to spend their GDP on fossil fuels.
Solar cell efficiency is low but is completely pointless. It is not like the Sun's energy is lost if it does not get converted to electricity.
Ben, the first of your videos i have watched. Awesome, scientific, factual, data driven and unemotional. Would that all discourse be like this. Subscribed to your channel immediately.
Hello again Ben, living through both gas crisis in the 70's and actually working at a gas station in '74-'79 i know abit about the issue. Odd/even days were the norm back then, (except us mechanics and pumpers) had troubling times. We sold over a million gallons a year from one location in NY pretty much every year during that period. It wasn't unusual to put a last car cone in line down the street. We had to monitor that last car as others would pull up and try to put the cone on thier car. Didnt work out for them. All this came at a time that gas went from 29 cents a gallon to more than a dollar plus. That's when the imports flooded the market. Worked out well for them, but not for our gas guzzling domestic vehicles. The rest is and was history. Now i have 2 ev's, one built in the US (2018 p3d), and one overseas (VF8)...! And very happy with both purchases.
Amazing story, thanks for sharing!
Thanks!
Thanks 🙏!
Free energy from every home and building.
Free energy with every vehicle every day anywhere.
All night and all day.
Rooftop PV dirt cheap clean electric energy.
EVs topped up daily.
Trouble free automobility.
Tax-free savings, money in the bank, from ;
1. No petroleum $
2. No gas heating $
3. No grid electricity $
4. No infrastructure over supply. $$$
5. Shaded hot roofs, less air-conditioning $
Petroleum
1. in strategic storage,
2. for road building,
3. for petrochemical industry,
4. for emergency midwinter heating.
National Electricity grid repurposed ;
1. Take millions of FEED-IN and supply industrial customers moving away from fossil fuels.
2. Backup anyone
3. Transfer energy to areas of low energy storage from weather events.
USA energy can be doubled or tripled.
On behalf of Republicans and Independents that might lean that way, we're not all this brainwashed against EVs. I love my Tesla M3P
Right leaning Independent here. Love my 2-1/2 year old Kia EV6 GT Line AWD, with Solar on our house's roof. I know a lot of right leaning people (don't know if they're Republican or not, because I don't ask anyone about their personal politics) who have either bought an EV or are considering one. The politicization of EVs by BOTH sides is the biggest impediment to EV adoption. BOTH sides are guilty.
PS: Lindsey Graham nailed it at the end.
@davidgiles9751 living the dream! I'm younger but I dream of having solar on a house I own one day
I live in Europe. But if I had a vote in the usa it would be republican.
There are more reasons to vote than EV only.
Because economic woke behaviour is more destructiv for the USA than ICE cars...
However I'm an early adopter for EV driving because I learned economics..especially the cost and costprice calculations (at accountancy education )
Also they drive fantastic.
JJust ask all people negativ about EV.
Park your car in the garage and close the door. Than start it and stay in that garage.
I'll do the same with my EV..
Based on their reaction (I suppose they refuse).
Why is it healthy to run that engine outside but not inside a building?
(But do not claim anything about climate in combination with EV's. That makes no sense...Even not when you use the IPCC calculations.)
A big point for us, conservatives, to go EV/Solar is energy independence. We produce tons of oil, but this oil isn’t the right one to make gas, so we import tons of gas from Canada, Mexico and other places. I’d rather have all our energy needs be covered within our borders (Solar, Nuclear and whatnot), so we cannot be blackmailed ever again like we were in the 70’s. China is working on this direction, and it’s for this reason.
@@davidgiles9751 how can you blame anybody but the right for politicising EVs? You people are just, 🤦♂️
Not to mention, approximately 6 kWh of electricity is used to refine one gallon of fuel.
6 kWh of *ENERGY,* not necessarily _electrical_ energy. It's possible to generate process heat by just burning some of the feedstock.
So you are saying that a Telsa M3 long range can do 25miles on the electricity used to refine a gallon of fuel?
@@levenkay4468 That’s 6 kW of prime energy, which is electricity. There’s a lot more thermal energy that goes into refining than just the prime energy that was talked about.
@@levenkay4468 A single oil well pumpjack uses about 9,960 kWh of electricity per month, or enough to power an EV for 34,000 miles. There are over 400,000 pumjacks in operation in the US.
@@levenkay4468 Yeah, that seems correct. It includes all the energy required.
I was a new driver in ‘74. There was a gas station a few blocks from our house. Mom let me drive to the station (early evening) after closing, park the car at a pump and walk home. Next morning I’m back with the car shortly before the station opens and I’m one of the first to fill our car on the allotted odd/even day. Fun times!
Thank you so very much for these honest, and very informative, videos about the state of vehicle electrification in America. You give truthful information and are part of what America desperately needs right now: an honest and informed perspective free of bias or personal intent. We need more people like you to make this effort but love and appreciate those who do! Thank you Ben
Thanks for watching!
I love when people tell me what I need to focus on financially. Let's be very clear, If my budget for a vehicle, right this minute, is $25K, and the only EV even close to that is $30K, I don't care what the COO over 5 years is, I STILL cannot afford the vehicle, RIGHT NOW. If need a vehicle right now to get to work, I am going to buy what I can afford right now, not what's going to save me money over 5 years. You cannot ask people to overextend themselves financially right now, on the promises of reduced costs in the next 5 years. That is not sound economics. Debt is a real problem in this country right now, and simply glancing over that to give poor financial advice is reckless and irresponsible, not to mention unrealistic.
I will also add that the calculations of savings are based on prices right now, not five years from now. While optimistic thinking that prices will drop in five years is great, you cannot promise that it will drop, you can only hope and forecast it. What happens if something in the world drastically changes and the costs skyrocket, or if human greed kicks in and those cost drops vanish and prices go up? Now you have people in greater debt than they should be, and the savings they were hoping for are suddenly gone. No one can honestly say that won't happen because it has happened in the past several times, usually without warning.
Yes, you are correct. But those of us that can, should. But many are unaware of it because lack of knowledge and misinformation.
Glad to see you pointed out the wide use of cobalt, which everyone seems to forget. Great video as always,
80%of people having an outlet within 20 feet of their car is a useless stat. Modern EVs charging off 110 volt outlets is nearly useless.
It’s not a matter of trying to defend EVs it’s a matter if uncovering the amount of true horror going into gasoline industry
The biggest problem EVs have is the upfront price. It's just more. The second is charging convenience. I live in an apartment for example. Only one charging spot.
Having lived through that time it was ridiculous. My parents owned a trucking company and our price for gas quadrupled. The airlines only allowed us to raise our rates once a year so it took years to recover. My mom sold the business for 50,000 to keep out of bankruptcy. Far less than what it was worth.
Thanks for sharing !
It amazes me that media sources send”journalists” to interview Lawmakers and neither of them have any idea about what they are discussing. Any journalist that sits there in silence and doesn’t show any sign of comprehension or asks for clarification is wasting my time when an informed journalist could be doing the interview. A good journalist, does the research, knows the responses he’s going to get and asks challenging questions to find the deeper information. News sources are putting “pageants” that have little or no meaning or support a narrative that makes both parties money. You can’t buy integrity, knowledge, wisdom, or foresight. They have to be earned, by asking the questions that nobody wants to hear, but we all need to hear.
no comprehension made me think of Theo Vonn and Joe Rogan!
If we care about Congo children, why don't we send teachers and doctors, and CPS to protect them? We could solve the child Congo problem for $100 million a year. No child left behind! Republicans would support that, clearly. Just take $10 million from each rich Red state federal support.
We should tell that to the Fossil Fuel refineries which use COBALT as a catalyst to desulfurize petroleum.
Why don't we start with your money?
Republicans are trying to kill pel grants and head start. No child left behind was a failure testing program.
@@nguyep4 Spoilers: They already did. The richest Republicans and Democrats made sure of that.
"No more potential for your car to spontaneously combusted due to a fuel leak" I'm generally in favor of EVs but I'm seeing the number of EV fires that have occurred due to shorts, thermal runaways, battery punctures, etc & how the resulting fires are generally hotter, more toxic, longer lasting, & harder to extinguish I don't believe EVs can claim to be safer regards to fire risk as though I'll grant that EV fires may be less common, they are substantial worse & we've already seen that EVs can explode from high speed cars just as gas powered cars can. The fire rish is still present it's merely different & in a form that most of our fire fighters & fire suppression systems currently are not trained or built for
The nature of batteries is that they are less energy dense than a flammable fuel.
ICE fires are just as hot and have the potential to spread rapidly plus obviously far more likely to happen in the first place.
Yet another great story, thanks Ben.
Why is it that by far the worst EV critics are ALWAYS people who don’t own one, and often also have an agenda based on ICE vehicles.
One thing I can say for sure: after five years of Tesla ownership, I’ll NEVER EVER buy another ICE vehicle. (Slow, smelly, noisy, expensive to drive, and expensive to maintain.)
There are still many USA states where EVs are directly disincentivised by additional registration fees, road usage taxes, higher insurance premiums, and direct online sales prohibitions. EV ownership in these locations are often also indirectly disincentivised by sparse charging infrastructure, hostile local condominium/co-op boards/homeowners associations/town planning committees, and lack of local repair shops familiar with EVs.
While the US keeps agitating about the role of EV's, the Chinese will do to the EV/battery market like they did with the solar panel market. The ICE industry repeating the retread of Nokia, Erricson, Motorola, and Blockbuster.
Ben, fun fact to look into. More electricity is used in the drilling/refining/distribution of fossil fuels than ALL of the electricity used by the EV's in the United States. The actual number is hard to pin down. So on top of the fossil fuels used to get the fossil fuels, we're using something on the order of dozens of TWh per year to do it as well. Check it out.
Something I saw years ago that was hilarious was an oil well being powered by solar. Apparently the well was so far from the grid it was too costly to run wires, solar was cheaper.
@@joecushman6030 It is ironic. I have a family member who has been making a good living selling solar and batteries for just that purpose mostly in Texas. The good news is that everyone of those solar installations replaces what would likely be diesel generators, so they contribute to reducing GHG emissions.
I asked my local electric utility about this and they said that converting the US auto fleet to electric would reduce the load on the grid. They supply power to a refinery and they politely said that the refinery wasn't a very good customer. They also said that EVs are better as they can pause charging during peak times, reducing the need for system upgrades. V2G and microgrids will make things even better.
I remember when my tire pressure monitor was me looking at my tires in my Plymoth Reliant.
I currently drive a Tesla Model S 2024. It is my only vehicle and I’ve been driving EV‘s exclusively for the past three years. I absolutely love it and would never drive a gas powered vehicle again. I enjoy this channel and listening to your thoughts and I’ve learned a lot as a result. I often find myself in the middle of conversations regarding electric vehicles. Most of what I hear is FUD and what I learn here helps me to address what I hear with actual facts.
“The abstract issue of climate change”?
I suggest “they” look at the photos of the damage already caused by fires, floods and hurricanes/typhoons/cyclones!
Then ask insurers.
Ask homeowners in Florida if they can even get home insurance!
I would like to see journalists ask Republicans that question!
I am four years into Tesla EV ownership. I have experienced huge financial savings and outstanding vehicle performance. I will never go back to an ICE vehicle.
Same here. I leased a Model 3 in 2021 and now own a new '24 Model 3. No oil changes, radiator flushes or induction system cleanings. No worries about catalytic converters getting stolen and no mufflers/tail pipes to fail.
Not to mention, I can turn it on in my garage to preheat, so no getting into a cold car and I can keep the climate control on while I'm in the grocery store on a hot summer day, so no hot seat when I return.
its so infuriating how everyone constantly harps on tax incentives provided for purchasing EV's while completely ignoring the massive incentives provided to the oil companies who have been insanely profitable for decades. Incentives are for new emerging markets/products, not for well established profitable products.
Subsidies for the fossil fuel industry in the United States alone are roughly 1 trillion dollars per year.
If you remove those subsidies we're probably looking at much higher gasoline, natural gas, and coal prices.
Then you wouldn't need subsidies for solar or wind..
@@macmcleod1188
You also wouldn’t need incentives for purchasing EVs. If our gas prices were not artificially low there be more people transitioning to EVs especially since most of the American automakers have completely abandoned smaller more fuel efficient cars.
That map you showed of the savings over 5 yrs of ownership is a lie.
Using CompareEV online, I compared a base 2025 Malibu for $26k to a 2025 Base Model 3 for $35k.
15k miles/yr over 5 yrs in IL using current gas and kwh prices, the Model 3 cost $3.7k less on fuel, but it costs $9k more! That's AFTER the tax credit.
"Switch to EV and your 5 year savings could look like this:* $3,661"
That's $88 more per month I'd pay for an EV. Why would I put myself out like that? That makes no sense. At all.
Even when EV adoption is at 50% of all new vehicle sales in the whole USA, they'll still be saying there isn't any demand for EV's.
I’ve often found. Actually, have always found, when you follow the money trail, you get a pretty clear answer as to why people vote and legislate the way they do.
when I bought my Bolt EV back in 2017, the extra cost didn't really bother my but after driving it I realized just having the QUEIT when on road worth the extra cost, love it
I got a Chevy Volt back then and enjoyed the EV part so much that I bought a Tesla after eight years. Too bad GM dropped that car, I only used gas on long drives, and it was a great commuter.
Your broken engrish is impressive.
I love my Ioniq 6 but I must admit living in rural northern WI public charging stations for a good road trip is a true problem. And no none of the Tesla chargers here are open to other brands. I do believe once more supercharger stations are available in the boondocks more people will go electric. Now if the boys in girls in Madison and the lobbyists from the electric companies stop fighting EV electrification things might move faster, oh yeah and, when our MAGA congressmen stop lying to us about EVs that to will help.
I'm looking forward to Ionna. I too had to rely on a 50kw and 25kw charger going up north WI and MN. And I rather not give any money to Musk.
Sorry you are dealing with that.
@@georgepal9154 It was fine. It was in the middle of nowhere. And the 25kw was completely free.
@@davebryer6133 Hyundai will soon have access to Tesla chargers with the adaptor which Hyundai will give you for free. You should get access to most of the v3 sites. If you only have v2 sites, sorry no solution for that.
Road tripping with my Tesla is actually easier than my ICE vehicle. The charge stops are calculated to avoid busy locations, and I’m done charging by the time I’ve finished with bathroom breaks and getting something to eat. I also save tons of time and hassle not needing to fuel up every week by charging at home, not to mention having a car that’s Corvette fast and goes 300 miles on less than $10 of electricity.
EVs = Improved health outcomes = massive reduction in medicare/medicaid costs...but no one wants to include that in the discussion
So do bikes.
The particulate matter from burning hydrocarbons not only aggravates asthma but also causes it in children. It can also lead to other lung disease including cancer.
Yeah because i love all the the stress of charging stations
@@sparkster1314 Only the topic is EVs, not bikes.
Love this argument
Thank you for proper journalism.
Ben - it wold be good to look back in history to see whether the car and oil industry got subsidies for establishing distribution. Certainly it has been documented that they heavily lobbied government to make cities car friendly back when there were few cars, and later pushed heavily for suburban development to enshrine cars as necessary.
Even less brake dust which is more serious than most would think.
But more tyre dust which is also more serious than most people would think.
People say Evies are heavier than ice cars. That may be true for a size to size comparison, but average ice cars are quite a bit bigger than average electric cars and heavier so more tire dust.
That's true. There's no regen braking in ICE cars. Where EVs can blend regen into regular braking and preserve the brake pads for heavier slow-downs or emergencies.
@@robertstout7756what’s an average sized ice car weighing 6K pounds?
@@ElderStatesman we have region breaking on our three series, BMW Deisel
Wow, Ben! Hello from Canada, eh! Great show today. Thank you. You are correct in pointing out a few things most people do not know, which government and oil companies wish to keep hidden from the public: Gasoline production is subsidized by government $$$, and the production of gasoline to a 'cleaner' standard uses cobalt. Now- Introducing a 'fix-all' by people such as Elon Musk. (Okay- ONLY Elon Musk) Before I dive into that (which is something you probably already know) I will tell you one thing you may have missed in the video you presented to us was how the actual COST of wind and solar compares to the cost of nuclear energy. No matter. Here are the points of the 'fix-all' by Mr. Musk: You already mentioned batteries without cobalt. There are companies in the US that are recycling batteries, which may be where Apple intends to purchase its recycled cobalt. Of course, Tesla is leaning towards removing cobalt entirely from the mix (as are many companies). To address the congressman and his statement that we need to find a way to sustainable transportation as a whole- Look at some Scandinavian countries and how the rail system is all electric. As you know, a diesel locomotive is electric- the diesel motor is to provide the electricity to the motors. Perhaps electrify our trains. Many companies are already developing electric semi trucks. Yet, only one is moving towards a fully autonomous truck- Tesla. And here is the kicker. If you were to be able to hail a taxi that would arrive in a reasonable time, drive you to work, drive you home from work after stopping for groceries first etc. and these taxi fares actually cost LESS than owning a reasonably priced vehicle, why would you own a vehicle? (Of course there are many edge cases where owning a vehicle is just warranted). So if the majority of people living in a large city opt OUT of purchasing a vehicle in favour of a properly sized vehicle showing up at their location and taking them and their luggage to where they need to go, without the cost of a vehicle (including maintenance, insurance, fuel, parking fees etc) when needed, you eliminate not only congestion on the road, but free up parking lots like the ones at big malls, and if those 'taxis' are electric, the associated pollution. Of course I am talking about the Cybercab here. Not to mention the Robovan for larger needs. And as for subsidizing by the government- Musk has already stated he wishes subsidies would stop- but that it MUST stop for the big oil companies as well. So- fewer vehicles on the road means cleaner air, safer environment as autonomous vehicles will drive safer than a human (with a cell phone and news their partner cheated on them or they lost their job or....), which means empty parking lots that can provide more parks or land for housing etc. I really hope Elon gets this message across to ALL members of congress, and give them an actual reason to be hopeful for the future.
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5:00 that is a terrible stance to have. Imagine relying on one company for all power/ charging infrastructure. Imagine there was only one had company they could literally set prices however they want and there is no incentive to drive down prices. Eventually companies will become complacent without competition that’s basically a law of capitalism so having only one charging provider is just not good for the general public.
Duarte just lost his seat. Motor Trend didn't ask him about getting rid of oil industry subsidies.
Batteries at $80/kWh so soon is wild. I remember when they crossed the $100/kWh line analysts got excited.
There are battery prototypes at density sufficient for airplanes now.
So they're likely to be in electric planes sometime in the next two to four years.
Analysts specializing in China expect this will entirely eliminate China's need for aviation fuel overtime.
I just got done watching this video. Using REPUBLICANS as the sole political voice on this topic is really telling. They want to get rid of ev incentives. WHY would you want to only have their opinion on this topic. CRAZY!
Because due to Elon Musk, taking aside, Democrats have decided to selectively fund EV companies that are helping them politically. I understand it because why would they help someone this trying to get them voted out of office? That’s like helping someone that’s trying to get you fired.
I disagree with most Republicans who don’t support EV’s just because it is the future and it’s going to happen regardless of political affiliation. I just don’t think the government is helping even if they’re trying. What has Biden done in four years to push EV adoption? After four years, he managed to have 240 chargers installed. No, not charging stations but single vehicle chargers. That’s a big nothing burger. Tesla could’ve done that in a few months. It’s not the fault of the Democrat party because even if the Republican Party were decide to support this, it wouldn’t go any faster. The US Government is just too inefficient to get this done.
well they said no Democrats responded to their request...Dems are scared to support EV's because the conservative voice/outrage/media is very loud.
To be fair, they did say no democrat wanted to get interviewed or dared to answer, who's to blame then?
Ben, Thank you for your content! So refreshing to get counter-statements against the FUD we get from the mainstream media.
Your objective posts are great!
Want we’ve learned is that ev’s are the future. The internal combustion engine will soon be something for hobbyists and museums, next horse carriages and steam locomotives. We’ve also learned that outsourcing all production to china to make more profit for the capitalists company owners because production in china is cheaper was a huge mistake and must be reversed asap. Without tariffs, because this will only lead to rising prices for consumers and lazy car makers in the US and Europe because their drive to optimize production is gone.
@@matsvanzelm7220 “want we’ve learned…”? I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. Maybe you’re using a Translation App from another language? God, I sure hope so.
I have a Bolt EV and can't plug in at home, so I depend 100% on the charging infrastructure, and I can affirm with confidence that the cost of charging my car is comparable if not higher ths than what the cost was to fill up the tank on my previous vehicle.
Why do Americans love to rubbish Tesla? It is an American company creating good vehicles and competing well against Chinese automakers. I would have thought the public would get behind them more.
Agree with most of what you state. I do not agree with the statement that since 67% of people park near an outlet that they can easily be set-up to charge at home. My condo (built 1958) has subterranean parking for over 100 cars. Each is within 20 feet of an outlet. None of these outlets are metered to the nearby car, none are connected to a circuit that can support 220V charging and the building may (or may not) have enough electrical capacity to support wide spread EV charging. So yes we have a nearby outlets but installing charging is a bit involved.
You CAN charge of 110V. And you CAN plug the charging brick of your car into any of those sockets and give a damn about who pays for that electricity
That is not the solution thou.
The solution would be a level 2 charger for every parking spot and a load management that keeps track of the power in respect to the buildings electrical service so no breakers can trip
@@Fluxkompressor If I and my neighbor plug in the fuse is going to blow since these outlets are not on individual breakers.
@@PragmaticPragmatic As I said: This is not a good solution. But it is possible
You almost always can adjust the charging current somewhere. Either in your car or in the charging brick. This can be set as low as 6A, so your neighbor and you will draw 12A from a 15A circuit. Not great, but possible
@@PragmaticPragmatic 6A at 110V gives you 660W. Assuming a 10 hour charge per night gives you 6.6kWh per day or about 20 Miles added per night. Assuming at least one 24h charge over the weekend gives you another 50 miles every week.
Again: Not great, but possible
Had just got my license in 73, and me and my buddies were freaking out over the gas prices and setting in lines for an hour just to get 10 gals!
We soon learned how to siphon .
Another great segment, Ben! Interesting how all of these car magazines/bloggers were initially so big on electric vehicles and now have turned around. A prime example is consumer reports. I used to have a lot of faith in this organization, but not anymore. Their gas car bias is so extreme. But I really don’t blame them. They would report themselves out of a job like the other car mags. I would love to hear you address the amazing bias in the car reporting industry including consumer reports. Of course, folks like me that have a strong feeling towards electric vehicles. Also have a strong bias.
I seem to remember that the Tesla model S got an unheard of rating of 100 out of 100 from CR when it first came out.
@@ellenroehl6022 Yes indeed
CR uses data. Remember every Solar Panel, EV and windmill start with huge carbon debt. So the last five years renewables have made the environment worse. We'll have to see what the data says down the road to see if we're heading in the right direction. In five years the EV fire issue should be mostly solved while using less rare earth minerals and removing weight. So that's good. But it's a long road.
During the COVID pandemic, when many businesses closed or did work remote people in many cities of the country India found they had beautiful views of the Himalayan mountains. Since the end of the worst of the virus this has been lost to them, till they embrace EVs.
List of things that use LiIon batteries with Cobalt. Smart phones, Laptops, Tablets, Portable Speakers, Backup Power Supplies, Cameras, Electric Tools, Cordless Shavers.....okay....okay...this list goes on. But I think you get the point.
Also cobalt is needed to refine gasoline.
The structural characteristics of US homes by state, 2020 - Homes that can park car within 20 feet of an outlet:
1. There is a note on this number in the report. They did not survey apartments with 5 or more units. How much of the population lives in such apartments?
2. The survey was completed by 18,496 people. Out of these, respondents who lived in apartment with more than 5 units were not asked to answer the question. Not sure how many actually responded to this question. This is important to know as this is the sample size that is being projected to the population
3. The response rate was ~38%. You have to wonder what kind of a person is more likely to respond to this survey. A person who goes to work or a person who works from home? In other words, while the selection of the sample may be reasonable, the response may have a bias with this low level of response. The document says that they found no significant bias, but they have not explained how they came to that conclusion. AFAIK there is no way to do this
4. Being able to park within 20 feet of an outlet does not mean you can charge an EV from that outlet. You may not be able to run a cable across threshold like door. Also you need a 240V 16A+ outlet for it to be practical. Most renters cannot upgrade the outlet. Many homes cannot do the upgrade as well. The correct survey question would have been "Do you have, or can you upgrade to, a 240V 16A+ outlet and use that to charge an EV?"
5. Data from 18,496 respondents (households) has been projected to all 127 million US households. In other words, only 0.0145% households were surveyed to create this report. This is beyond absurd
6. The count of total households comes from census data. They survey ~3.5 million people and project it to the entire US population. They do not count every household. They send a survey to a sample. They can be way off as well
Listening to the against arguments sounds so much like other arguments against progress. Adding pollution controls, adding seat belts, getting lead out of gas, adding airbags to cars. There was great resistance in all these instances. Now try convincing the public to go back on this progress.
I think the closest example to what will happen in EV adoption is what happened during the two oil crises in the 70’s. It left the US car industry flat footed when they had little to nothing to offer in the way of fuel-efficient vehicles. That was a real boon to the Japanese manufacturers. The legacy manufacturers know this is what is about to happen with BEV’s, this time it will be China, not Japan.
What will likely happen before actual EV mandates force everyone’s hands, will be the network effect. I suspect range anxiety is still a huge factor in people’s decision. People still believe in the ubiquity of gas stations. The thing is, it doesn’t take much drop in sales of gas to impact the viability of a gas station. In the 1970’s there were about 200,00 gas stations in the US, in the 1990’s that had dropped nearly in half. As sales at gas stations and convenience stores drops, they will close or stop offering gasoline for sale. The logistics of building and operating a gas station will be a further disincentive. Offering charging services at retail locations will become increasingly easier to implement compared to burying fuel tanks and having proper access to the fuel trucks that refill the tanks. Once the public has to search harder for a place to fill up, the more range anxiety will shift away from EVs and more towards ICE vehicles. At that point it quickly becomes game over.
Motortrend has been a mouthpiece for the oil and gas industry for a long time now.
Some qualms:
Cobalt is not consumed in desulfurization, that's what catalyst means. Reactors do wear out and have to be retired eventually, but the CoMo catalyst can be refreshed/recycled indefinitely. From global data, it does not look like this is a significant sink of cobalt compared to NMC battery production. NMC batteries can also be recycled of course, but the initial push to produce a bunch of batteries from virgin materials is a legitimate concern.
LFP is a great solution to the cobalt problem. Unfortunately practically all LFP production to date is done in China. Ford is reportedly developing the first American LFP plant, slated to begin production in 2026. SK On is also working on providing Korean LFPs on a similar timeline. So that problem is getting fixed, but so far all LFPs you can buy are Chinese. And there are not many of those in the US, for cars at least.
And just to end on a more agreeable note: Even if there were no way around the cobalt problem, EVs would still be a better option than gas cars. Carbon emissions from fossil fuels are the biggest threat that all of humanity faces. Humanitarian problems from cobalt production are a political issue, not inherent to the metal itself. It's worth using other cobalt sources (as we do) and putting pressure on the DRC in other ways. Cobalt itself is not actually the issue.
What do you think happens to the catalysts in all cars? You think there is still those elements on them after being used?
There isn't. The cobalt is lost in the process. It's not consumed, but it simply disappears.
@sprockkets Some catalyst can be washed out in the process of operation for sure, but that doesn't often happen to the bulk of the material which is bonded to a solid substrate. Catalytic converters in cars usually stop working because they either get clogged or poisoned by contaminants. The catalyst is still in there.
During the oil crisis in the 1970's I remember how New Zealand vehicle usage and fuel supply was limited to alternate days based on which letter was included on your licence plate number. I was in primary school at the time. Only emergency vehicles were exempt, as you'd expect. Having no oil or gas reserves of our own at that time, and as an island nation in the Pacific Ocean, you can imagine just how scary the oil crisis was. New Zealand was lucky in that we'd developed significant amounts of hydro power by then, so in terms of electricity supply, the impact wasn't as severe as it could have been. But for an economy that was heavily reliant on the agricultural sector at that time, and still is to a significant degree, any interuption to reliable regular fuel supplies did pose something of an existential threat, both in terms of domestic food self-sufficiency and exports; my family were farmers at the time.
KIA does NOT currently have access to Tesla network, however a January 15, 2025 date has been set
Also Kia uses 800 v architecture, so until the version 4 superchargers come out, they will charge at half their possible speed.
That's weird, in the US, my Hyundai has access and I would have supposed Kia was the same thing. The Tesla charger is my closest, best charger, though pricey. Fortunately most of mine is home now.
@@starlight55971 you’re probably charging at a Tesla Magic Dock location.
@@gregsparrow1499 Yep about half. But the percent of time for many of us EV users on fast chargers is less than 10% of are over all charging. For my wife and I sub 1%.
@gregkramer5588 Yes,, 99% of my charging for my EV6 is also from home. I am just pointing out that a 150 or higher CCS charger will charge a Kia faster than a Supercharger.
I disagree that nearly 70% of households are near an outlet. I think it's excluding all those who live in the City, or an Apartment/Condo. When I lived in an apartment in 2018, my current car at the time got totaled. I received enough of a payout from equity that I could have easily purchased a Model 3. And I did the math knowing cost of ownership for the gas car, mileage driven per year...etc.. and the Math said it would take me 5 years to reach parity, that included the cost of installing a charger in my assigned parking spot. I spoke to the Land Lord and was flat out denied, even knowing that when I moved out, he would keep the charger and could advertise that as part of the unit.
For those that live in an apartment or condo, and cannot charge at home, they must pay to charge at a charging station somewhere, which when you consider that the average supercharger around me in IL costs about .37/KwH, thats nearly 10x the cost of charging at home. In fact, if you have to supercharge, based on the math in my area of IL, it works out that it would be about the same price as a Prius Hybrid per mile.
And for public charging, there simply aren't enough DC fast chargers. As an example, I considered taking my Plaid on a road trip with my car club, we usually go between 150-200 miles per gas stop. After I got the route, I started looking for charging in the area, and while I did find some L2 chargers that might allow me to make the trip, a L2 wouldn't allow for the charge speeds necessary to compete with a 15-20m stop to get the whole group filled up. Meaning the Tesla was not an option on this trip. This is a pattern that has held up over the last 2 years during our single day, and 2 day road trips. The charging infrastructure is just not there to support it.
Tail of the Dragon, Indiana Nurburgring, Stage Coach Trail in IL+WI. And are annual trips like the Lake Circle tour around Lake Michigan, and the Kentucky Bourbon Trail. We still need MANY more DC fast charging locations because most of our Road Trips are on country backroads, avoiding major metropolitan area's, or suburbs. The Fun Roads are rarely near populated area's.
that said, I love my Plaid as a daily driver, and I've had tons of fun with it at the drag strip. As a daily driver its great as long as I get to come back to home base and charge at home overnight.
I just watched a video about how unreliable EV's are in cold weather. The articles featured are written by people who want EV's and they talked about how much they suck when it's cold. Range is drastically reduced, especially if you run the heater and you have to drive like a granny to keep from losing more range.
Yeah. I learned how unreliable my li-ion drills were in cold weather. The drills are convenient when you are in a convenient place.
Richard : I own an EV for several years now, and yes while the range is reduced in cold temperatures, I never had an issue to start my car, I don’t need any special winter diesel so it doesn’t turrn into jelly, instead I can conveniently preheat my car and defrost it before I even get into the car, and I sure don’t drive like a granny because it doesn’t help preserving anything in winter. Unless you drive several hundred miles every day, you maybe charge every 4-5 days instead of every 6 days for an average driver. I really don’t see the issue with that.
The northeast has a very large number of people whom are living in homes without a garage and apartments/condos. Are we going to put in charging stations for the large apartment buildings?
I’d love to hear the stats for ownership specifically north of the Mason/ Dixon line.
Gas rationing story. My older sister was living in another state that didn't do day-of-week rationing, but moved back to Iowa, which did have it, but unknown to her.
Back then, gas was pumped by attendants, which is how they enforced the rationing rules.
So my sister went to get some gas. Pulled in, ding ding, attendant walks out, sister says "fill-er-up".
The attendant says, "I can't, you're odd."
Sis says, "Don't be a smart ass, just pump the gas!".
Seriously though, something nobody talks about is the expense of fast charging. In a Supercharging trip across the country in a rented M3 this past summer, I kept track of costs, and it was so high that I could have driven a Prius and saved money on fueling. That's ridiculous.
Just paid 56 cents a kwh at EA. Would have cost $36 to fill up my EV. I know chargers and high output cost money, but sheesh.
And why do you keep using supercharge network? At peak hour? If you are road warrior. Their Hotel chain has end point charger. You dont pay extra for your room rate. Holiday Inn and Hilton have end point charger. So, I book my lodging at Holiday Inn. Charge up at night, go out full in morning. When I get home, I plug in my LV2. At low hours, getting juice almost for free.
@@林振华-t4v Sure bro, let's pay $125 for a hotel room to save nothing on charging, and somehow that is supposed to work how when you only traveled 250 miles.
It is talked about a fair amount, you have to use your brain, even if it costs you the same on long trips, you save Monday through Friday and save on maintenance
@@sprockketshow many hours you need to clock in 1 shift? If you are doing 70 miles/h. And you ge 150 miles out from 1 charge. You already spend 1/4 of your 8 hour shift on road. That is alot for bussiness travel.
Pedantic correction: Hyundai/Kia do not yet have access to superchargers. That is slated to begin January 15th. So far, Ford, Rivian, and GM are the only automakers that have already enabled Tesla Supercharger access. The rest of those in your list are “pending”.
If there is no demand let the Chinese EVs in then. Or at least let them build factories in the US if you want those jobs in the US.
On the nuclear issue, diversity is helpful, however government corruption prevails. In the past 30 years no nuclear project was completed on time and on budget.
The only way they were completed, was with massive amounts of government subsidies after realizing they’ll go broke. A 90% compete nuclear power plant produces 0 Watts of power. Corrupt politicians love this environment, as they can easily arrange a quid pro quo.
Meanwhile, solar and wind projects are regularly completed on time and on budget. They are great investments for the private sector, and are functional before reaching 100% completion.
I laughed when I saw the background of the MT interview in an auto showroom with the absolute worst performing, expensive EV sold today, a Hummer. And it is in Turlock, one of the Reddest parts of blue California.
I own a Tesla, a 2007 Prius and in 2000 I rode a recumbent bicycle solo across the USA just to see how possible it was to do such a trip in our economy dominated by gasoline car sales promoted by the oil and automaker duopoly. In southern Illinois, a blue state, I had to ride on secondary roads worn out from grain trucks carrying their product towards Chicago. Right beside these subsidized highways, as in many other states I passed through, were railroad tracks going from small town grain elevator to the next small town grain elevator.
The tracks were rusty, probably because the subsidized highway was cheaper to use, or the railroad had gone bust and a less efficient trucking co took on the delivery contract.
You are right, there are a lot of hidden subsidies. Tesla has capitalized on many of them on behalf of the more recalcitrant automakers, which makes me wonder if videos like the one you criticize here are deliberate attempts to slow EV sales so that they can begin to catch up.
amazing!
Also, it is generally easier and more economically viable to recycle cobalt from batteries than it is to recycle cobalt used in petroleum refining.
Good point. I calculated the amount of cobalt used in refining as quite small but I anticipated this application didn’t have much of a recycling component as is the case with BEV batteries where virtually all of the cobalt gets recycled.
Unknown to most people is that cobalt is recovered in trace quantities in many mining operations. Ontario Canada has a town called cobalt so you gotta think there’s a bunch of it around just north of the US border.
Ironic that the petroleum ministry has been using call Bolt mine from African slave labor for a century but heaven forbid that any of that cobalt should wind up in an electric vehicle. Also ironic that the electric vehicle market is responding to criticism and eliminating cobalt or I’m sure the petroleum industry Will continue using it and denying it’s a problem.
Good point. I calculated the amount of cobalt used in refining as quite small but I anticipated this application didn’t have much of a recycling component as is the case with BEV batteries where virtually all of the cobalt gets recycled.
Unknown to most people is that cobalt is recovered in trace quantities in many mining operations. Ontario Canada has a town called cobalt so you gotta think there’s a bunch of it around just north of the US border.
Ironic that the petroleum ministry has been using call Bolt mine from African slave labor for a century but heaven forbid that any of that cobalt should wind up in an electric vehicle. Also ironic that the electric vehicle market is responding to criticism and eliminating cobalt or I’m sure the petroleum industry Will continue using it and denying it’s a problem.
That Arkansas liar needs to leave his office.
Great video, Ben. Where is the air pollution worst in the US? Cities/urban areas. Why? Transportation pollution. Pretty simple. The location of the pollution and how many people it affects is a critical consideration.
Early gas cars had a mixed solutions for decades.
Healthcare cost for driving a gasoline vehicle is around $.04 per mile but a diesel is around $.10 per mile which is starting to get close to the cost of the fuel in the first place. That’s not counting 180,000 to 350,000 premature deaths every year due to the burning of fossil fuels which is on pace with the death rate over the two years of the Covid pandemic.
Healthcare cost alone would fully justify National push to BEVs not taking into account $7 to $12T in global climate change costs nor the cost of noise pollution making cities less livable.
We can argue about the actual numbers all day long but Fossil Fuel Company misinformation would tell us the BEVs are causing the problem. Similar projection to what we see in politics; Fossil Fuel Companies accuse the other side of causing the problem they have caused.
Hey, great to see the Chasm chart. I worked in tech in the 1990s on some cutting edge stuff, and I had the folks who created this chart come to speak to our people about how to penetrate into the early majority. Once you get in there, then it takes off. My favorite part (if I remember correctly) was that they said in the majority area, you have the gorilla, the lead chimp (to harass the gorilla and keep him innovating and in line), and the also-rans. You want to expand as fast as possible in the early majority (even not making money) to become that gorilla.
Love it, great analogy.
As a child in the 1970's I remember the fuel crisis effects in my country. Speed limits were dropped from 75mph to 50 and strictly enforced with massive fines, no fuel was allowed to be sold outside of normal business hours. Fuel sales also stopped Friday afternoon till Monday morning. No cans of fuel allowed in a vehicle eg Jerry cans. If you had an emergency over a weekend you had to get a letter of authority from a local police station to allow you to buy fuel and that was only for life and death. Big US gas guzzlers disappeared completely from our roads and was replaced with smaller European and Japanese cars.
However after a fairly short time, it led to a great disrespect for the law in geographically large states.
And we never had the fuel can restrictions because we had gasoline mowers.
@@macmcleod1188 I over simplified it maybe. We were allowed to carry fuel in cans in town for things like mowers, but you were not allowed to carry it between towns.
@@JJSmith1100 Wow. So I looked it up and they restricted transporting gasoline in containers in four states.
California - Implemented rules about transporting gas in containers to reduce the risk of leaks and fires.
New York - Enforced regulations relating to the storage and transportation of gasoline to manage shortages.
New Jersey - Implemented restrictions on the sale and transport of gasoline amid the crisis.
Illinois - Imposed laws that limited the amount of gasoline that could be carried in containers.
It wasn't restricted in my state (Texas).
It's possible I missed some states in the search too.
What you need is Chinese EVs. They are even cheaper than gas cars
3:15 That’s not basically everyone. Just off the top of my head you don’t have Toyota the largest automaker in the world (though they don’t have a ton of EVs they should still be in the program) same goes with Honda and Subaru. I also know people who have a car manufacture you listed but can’t get the adapter cause the supply is low. Currently Fords adapter is out of stock and I couldn’t find data for others besides ti Ian who is in stock but it just seems misleading to say anyone can use Tesla charger when a lot of people who want to can’t.
EVs, solar, wind, geothermal, and hydro is the best way to become energy independent.
"They're still building [filling stations] today." ??? I've seen far more fueling stations close than open in southeastern New York / SW Connecticut since 2000 - despite no shortage of vehicle traffic. Many were simply redundant; others closed when they could no longer justify paying the costs of environmental compliance to stay in business.
Got a letter in the mail from BMW the other day saying that they'll also be able to use Tesla chargers as well
When? I own an i4 and I got no such letter
Me too for my electric Mini Cooper SE (BMW is the parent company) Apparently the electric handshake between Tesla charger and the Mini needs to be worked out. I have started researching Tesla to Mini adaptors as we are promised the link between Tesla/BMW/Mini in very early 2025. I would love to get a 2nd Mini BEV Countryman but my wife still worries about a crappy charging network for long car trips......so let us hope the Tesla/BMW/Mini linkage works out.
Excellent analysis. As someone with MPH in biostatistics and is familiar with tactics of the tobacco industry, a problem of our times is the passing off of a seemingly rational, logical, even informed hypothesis as fact when it is really only the FIRST step in the scientific method and based on one's current model. Resorting to mere doubt of the current science is another tactic of our time, when an opposition has no data to counter with. You are correct that those opposing EVs (for whatever reason) selectively cherry pick only those data that support their seemingly rational hypothesis. The public is then lost in the wilderness without a compass.
15:00: Funny thing, if there is no "real demand" for EVs, then why do the United States and Canada have huge tariffs on Chinese EVs? I mean, those tariffs would be silly if there was no demand, right? And tariffs completely contradict "free market" principles, right?
23:30: I wonder, can anyone find any recorded statements by the Arkansas Republican concerning cobalt BEFORE he started his anti-EV crusade? Did he ever worry about the use of cobalt in hydrodesulfurization catalysts in oil refining? (A point you refer to after I typed this.)✓
Good video, but I wish you'd STOP referring to climate change as "abstract". That's bullshit. In 2023, the Texas town where I live had 75 days with the high over 100 ˚F - a record by a wide margin. In the 143 year weather history of of the town, four of the five of the hottest years were in the past 15 years.
Nuclear: Also the cost and time to decommission, they ALL take more money to run and maintain than was planned at inception, and is also incredibly expensive to build. Compare with solar panels and batteries? Solar + batteries wins in almost every case.
What's up with Maine and West Virginia being more expensive for EV ownership over 5 years? Is electricity that much more expensive there or is it infrastructure lagging behind?
Besides price of gas, there might be the “Red State’s EV Hefty Tax”. In red states, like mine, EVs pay a disproportionately high registration tax
Yes during the oil embargo things were tough and truckers were shooting at snowmobiles as gas wasters. We are 100% dependant on imported oil as we can not use any oil pumped in the US as it is light oil and here we can only refine heavy oil which does not exist here. Check that out. Also the anti EV Roderick is 100% republican driven as Republicans are owned by big oil