@@brandonsheffield9873 Scott has had ample opportunity to respond to data and facts and yet he continues to make a living from engagement farming. He makes good money laughing at others and, occasionally, calling them names. "EV Zealot" is a very mild 'name' relative to the names he and his supporters have used.
@@jerrysflooringmendoza2487 really? "a person opposed to new technology or ways of working." Which is exactly the quote word for word from Scott I referenced in my post.
I bought a used Tesla what a piece of garbage. I only put 100,000 kilometres and haven’t had 1 problem with it no oil changes. It is absolutely ridiculous how awesome this vehicle is.
Ben, in 2018 I purchased a new Model S100D w/using your code. Car is still driving great, original breaks / battery / no big issues, did soft wear upgrade for the screen, Have about 230,000 miles and still going strong, My goal is to keep car a very long time, Thanks Dale H
What kind of battery degradation have you experienced, if any? My 2019 Model X used to get about 333 miles at 90% charge, now in Aug 2024 it gets about 300 miles at 90%. When/if it ever needs a new battery, the car won't be worth it, which makes EVs "throw-away" cars, "at some point". "B-r-a-k-e-s"
@@F8Tributo New it was supposed to go up to 330miles, Never went up to 330miles, New was able to get 315miles, Now able to hit 284miles fully charged. I normally charge up to 80 or 90%. Only hit full charge on long distance which is about once or twice a week. Hope that helps.
@@F8Tributo At some point I expect that the cost of batteries may come way, waaay down. A "remanufactured" battery pack that starts with 75% of original capacity and degrades to 60% of original over 10 years may make a "worthless" Model S worth something. (That would be 250 miles degrading to 200 over 10 years, I'd pay $15K for THAT Model S right now). The CHEMISTRY in batteries is incredibly complex and difficult - the ENGINEERING and BMS are not. People "reverse engineer" batteries routinely now; Tesla and others are actively trying to prevent it (like any OEM). It will take longer, but the barrier to EV adoption is STILL the price of batteries - AND NOTHING ELSE.
Ben, I really like that you are taking on these EV Fearmongers, keep it up. My comment is related to the towing section of this video: I have a Tesla Model Y and a Ford F350 PSD. I use the F350 to tow my 37' 5th wheel travel trailer. Everyone says that EVs loose range when towing, which is true. But the follow up to that is that Gas/Diesel trucks also loose range when towing. When I have my trailer behind my F350 I loose about 50% of my range (down to about 120 miles with my 25 gal. tank). To me, the only issue with an EV truck is charging speed and available charge stations (both of these issues will be resolved over time). As much as I like the current crop of EV trucks, none of them meet my needs, not because of range or charging, but because I need to tow about 15,000 pounds. That is literally the only reason I have the truck. I only put 3,000 miles on it in the last 12 months. I remain optimistic that in the future even the tow capacity will be resolved by an EV truck that isn't Semi sized.
Takes me 3 and 1/2 hours to charge my Tesla model 3 performance on the Tesla wall connector. That is going from 90% to 35%. I do this everyday because I have a long commute to work. I love the fact that I don't have to go to a gas station and I just plug in and it's ready when I wake up. Absolutely love it!
Anti EV people don't ever bring up that point at just charging it into a wall. They think you gotta always visit a super charger. Nor the fact that people drive less than 45 miles on average in America. They all act like everyone is driving 4 hours a day or something. I've met EV owners who then will rent for vacations with a small portion of money they have saved from fuel costs/Maintenence. For me it is the real world performance versus cost. I was just comparing a Lucid Saphire to a Lambo Aventador. One of the purest super cars with no luxury. Lucid Sapphire could beat it in many metrics, and like 10 mph top speed less for like half the price. That is a freaken family sedan you can daily drive! Should not be close! It is wild. Electric motors are superior. Batteries in ten years will make it so there is few reasons to drive an ICE or Hybrids.
Scotty is placating to his audience who are ICE owners concerned about ICE maintenance. EV enthusiasts worry higher order concerns like car detailing and performance enhancements to the suspension and wheels. ICE owners are too bogged down with engine pinging and worn out belts. 😉
Wait, Scotty isn’t wrong on a lot of this. Ben even states that things have improved, and a lot of these improvements are very recent. Battery chemistry, tires, range in low temps… And where do you get them repaired? He’s not wrong. Ben lives in CA, probably near a Tesla center, and he buys brand new high end cars. Scotty speaks more to the used buyer that may not know a lot about EV’s. And Scotty is in Tennessee, not CA. He is being somewhat over the top, but that’s just Scotty.
I have also comented on his videos, but more important I reply to most of their cheerleaders, and it takes more than a couple of hours, since I have to research for the true responds.
This is common sense, right? This Scotty guy doesn't care about facts. And all new cars do have a lot of technology even ICE cars. His EV videos are just pure nonsense.
@@jean-marcgruninger9019 aye, dont judgr book by the cover. He might just do that to please his audiance. I have yet to see a person going back to ICE around me after they own a EV. This thing is forbidden fruit for some petrol cult.
Cost of repairs…. Just had to fix my son’s Chrysler 300 that has 81k miles. The outside / inside of the car look great. And now that I’ve just spent $8,500 on replacing most of the head and oil system hopefully it will run for longer. A rebuilt engine with labor would have been more. We also found out it is a common problem with these engines. We kept up with maintenance. Just luck of the draw. We were lucky a few years ago that we were still under warranty when the transmission had to be replaced. Sooooo yeah a battery might cost a bunch but so does an engine and transmission on a gas car.
@@cbrock66 battery costs are coming down quite a bit now. There are even third-party companies that can replace modules of the battery instead of the whole thing. Since there's money and batteries now technology to keep them going at a lower cost is changing very fast. It won't cost you an arm or leg to get a battery replaced anymore.
We just use a 110V outlet to charge our EV, and even then we only charge every two to three days because we only drive about 15-20km/day usually. So if you don't drive very far on average you don't even need a Lvl 2 charger at home.
I own a 2022 Mini Cooper SE - the lowest cost, lowest range EV in the US Market today and I absolutely love it! Because of the small range (tiny battery) tire wear is no different than in an ICE car. Also - charging to 100% (realistically 80% thanks to BMW’s incredible battery managemnt system) from as little as 10% takes about 3 hrs (4 in winter - Minnesota Winter) on my home LEvel 2 charger. It’s perfect for taking it into the city and doing all my errands in town. My wife has an ICE car (2011 VW) that we pretty much only use for travel sinve level 3 charging infrastructure is still very poor here. Best part - it was an early adapter of a heat pump and that was the reason I picked it over the VW Golf-e.
I find this whole argument about ev weight crazy making. Here in California there's a 6,000 pound suburban on every block. The cost of an ice engine replacement can easily be 10 grand and that doesn't include transmission or the rest of the drivetrain. At one time I revered Toyota but they have fallen from Grace in my world. We just had to pay 3 grand for a ABS module on our '08 Lexus. I think the bottom line is the oil companies are fighting for their survival and they'll Tell any lie. I read Exxon Mobil alone funds over 4,000 disinformation groups.
Ben, I believed the lies about EVs for years. I let the car companies stair step me into more efficient vehicles. I went from a conventional in 2012, to a hybrid in 2015, to a plug-in hybrid in 2018, and finally bit the bullet and got an EV this year. In retrospect, I would've been completely fine with an EV in like 2019. I was able to drive around a loaner 2018 Tesla Model 3 for a few days, and I realized that if I'd bought that car in 2018, it would have served me well.
A lot of it isn’t even lies, just unreasonably packaged truths. Like how Scotty in his vid talked as though seven hour home charge times would be massively impractical for most people. Repackaged by an EV supporter the same information becomes that even on a completely empty tank, you can simply charge while you sleep instead of ever having to stop to fill up.
There’s fossil fuel propaganda around, but also a LOT of people with integrity trying to get their facts right who simply bring a lot of bias to the conversation. Often bias planted there BY an industry.
8:16 “they’re not as simple as other cars” 😂 what is he comparing to? Between EGR, EVAP, timing belts/chains, serpentine belts, spark plugs and coils, and the high number of valve train parts… a gas car looks like a 5000 piece puzzle. And reading the codes requires an external tool on them too. So full of it.
and you can literally get Tesla parts & full service manuals online, for free, and check things out. Surprisingly simple. They even have user-serviceable stuff like air cabin filters, low-voltage battery, etc online in regular website.
Scotty sounds like he is very much stuck in the past and is terrify of technology. Like what was his reaction when smart phones first came to the market and replaces the old phone with physical buttons?
Yup. He literally ended with "technology is total insanity." Yet, he's a car mechanic... I think we've established it is actually Scotty that is total insanity.
I have a 2020 model Y with just over 46,000 miles and I'm still on the original Continental tires. It just depends on how you drive it's not the car it's you
@@tatata1543 Maybe it is unlikely but I just looked and I have 46,916 miles with the original Continental tires and I drive about 95% of the time on FSD.
@@jimmyers4890to be safe, just change them, as the interior walls can develop rot and can lead to sudden deflation (explode) while driving due to age and pressure changes.
@@terrancecloverfield6791 No he's a liar. Because he harps on charging time, ignoring the fact that a gasoline car sits there in your garage or driveway too as you eat dinner, watch TV, and sleep, but an EV is charging up in that time. Kilmer acts like you're waiting around in broad daylight waiting for your car to charge up for hours; that's a lie.
You need to brush up on your battery knowledge with respect to your comments at about 3:30. Charging to 100% is not what "creates a cycle". It's not like the battery only marks a cycle when it gets back to 100%. And batteries have different cycle lives depending on the depth of discharge. For example, a battery might loose X% of it's capacity after 500 cycles from 100% down to whatever it's cutoff voltage is, while it might take 5000 cycles from 100% down to 90% to loose the same capacity. And LiFePo batteries can't be discharged to 0, they typically have a cutoff voltage of about 2.4 volts. This is lower than lithium ion's 3 volt cutoff, but it's not zero.
I came to mention this. NMC has an 80% recommended because above roughly this the materials are ~more ~active which degrades the chemistry of the cell more then when at lower SoC. It doesn't have anything to do with full nor partial cycles. This is why most NMC recommends storage at below roughly 50%, because the chemical energy potential at higher levels degrades faster simply existing at higher more reactive chemical potential. I'm not stating this as well as others can and have, but I hope you get the just. Other chemistries have different behaviors, such as LiFePo4 (lithium iron) do not have such degradation at higher SoC levels, so those can be fully charged to 100% without impacting lifespan. I think the limiting factor has covered these nuances.
Ben didn't phrase it correctly but I'm sure he understands why charging to 100% and discharging to 0% hurts cycle life. It's not because it affects the number of cycles - it's faster degradation of the cathode and anode when charging to 100% or discharging to 0%. And when he said 100 to zero for LiFe he meant 0% not 0V (btw - the cut off voltage for LiFe is generally set at 2.5V not 2.4V for most BMS). And he was also wrong about LiFe having "virtually unlimited cycles" - it's somewhere between 4,000 and 6,000 cycles and charging to 100% and down to 0% will decrease those cycles. You need to charge LiFe to 100% occasionally to do a top balance but not that often. Ford say once a month, Tesla say once a week but a better metric would be once every "x" amount of charge cycles. I generally charge to 90% with LiFe and occasionally go up to 100% but if you needed the full range every day I'd have no problem going to 100% - you might knock 10% off your overall battery longevity.
@@mondotv4216 I don't know if he knows. Fully charged NMC are more chemically active and so break down their materials when at 100% is why that degrades them at that SoC. Going to 100% is perfectly fine as long as you don't let it just sit full for extended timespans. And fully discharged 0% batteries risk gradual self discharge or parasite loads that could cause a voltage per cell to fall lower than is safe. But it isn't bad to approach 0% if you'll be charging it back up soon, aside from the risk that the BMS is wrong and it goes to 0% unexpectedly. This makes Teslas false 0% and large buffer a better strategy than the Ford 0% is literally 0% with no BMS margin for error. The two extreme SoC values and risks are independent from cycle depredation. That is to say, a cycle is a cumulative kWh use that matches the capacity. One 100kWh 0-100-0% cycle is roughly equivalent to ten 50-60-50% cycles. There are even some situations where a periodic semi-annual full cycle can help the health of a battery. Not like NiMH old "memory effect", but a full PbA or Li cycle sort of "stretches" out the battery... Many multi decade old tricks and nuances learned from hundreds of BEV conversions guys doing the dirty workm
The other thing about charging from home is that you don't usually have to fully charge it. It's convenient enough you can just top it up a bit each day or so, or whenever you're not using it. The idea that fully charging every time is important, is an ICE mentality. It would be super annoying if you couldn't do that in an ICE, but it doesn't apply to home charging.
It’s not just EV losing significant range from towing. My Toyota tundra pulling a 9k lbs travel trailer went from 19mpg to 9mpg. Due to the size of my gas tank I have to fill up every 150 miles. The main difference is I can refuel the tundra in under 10 mins with a pull through pump. I think electric tech will have all of this addressed within a decade or so
Reminds me of people who think dishwashers are a waste because they take longer than hand washing. They refuse to take into account the significant reduction in water use and the main benefit which is that you don’t have to do it. Not the same but the arguments against EV’s are in the same vein. Good content brother, keep it up!
I do have to agree with Scotty on the immense knowledge and skill required to maintain my Tesla. For example, I recently had to, once again, add washer fluid. Fortunately, with the right tools and years of experience, I was able to open the hood and add the fluid and close the hood again- lol!
The thing going for him is that, currently (see what I did there?) an EV is not suitable for everyone. If you drive 2 or 3 hundred miles a day, it may be a bit tricky, depending on your EV, and if you drive 500 or 1000 miles a day then it will definitely be a bit more of a problem. Likewise if you are constantly towing heavy things. The problem is - that only applies to - what? - 2% of the population of car owners. So an EV is not suitable for every situation. He extrapolates that to say that EVs are not suit able for any situation. The man is a fool, and should be ignored.
Holy cow, 2 to 3 hundred miles a day? Itd better not very day unless it is ride sharing, but even that, EV will come down lot cheaper by factoring in the maintenance saving. 500 to 1000? The pay better be over 7 figure after tax. Otherwise wont justify. Lol
A few years back, I saw a comment in a discussion on EVs. The poster said, "It takes me about five minutes to charge my car. Three minutes to plug in at night and two minutes to unplug it the next morning."
Scotties great grandfather was very unset when the automobile replaced the horse and buggy. Was a LOT off "downsides" to the new fangled machines. It will never take off. Lol
Indeed there were. Keeping a horse meant you didn't have to mow your back lot. Also you could get a new horse if you borrowed another one, or had two of them, to replace your old one. Plus if you travelled the same route regularly you got self-driving included. Way better than a car.
One thing I haven't seen anyone else point out, is it that most electric car owners are recharging about 60 mi per day or less which means they're going to be finished in a level 2 charger in about 2 hours. The only way Scotty is getting 7 hours and 40 minutes to charge it is that he drove the car to empty and pushed it into the spot.
Right and when you try to educate anti-EV brainwashed people about that then the eye roll inducing brags about how far they supposedly drive starts. Hundreds of miles a day every day at 85 mph uphill both ways in a headwind in Antarctic conditions. Every day - thump chest. Why, you city slickers don't get what the "real world" is like. blah blah
People assume that if a battery has to be replaced, you have a dead battery. Good batteries with 70 percent or less can be replaces. If you can't use the range, you get now. You get it replaced under warranty. 8 yrs or 120,000 mile warranty thru Tesla free. After that you pay for a replacement. Even if your range is less but enough for you, you wouldn't have to replace the battery even then..... we drive 60 to 90 miles a day. If we would get 150 miles at 70 percent, that would be fine for us. And get a rental for vacation.
@@2pdlpwr this is what we have been doing with our 2013nissan leaf with 60miles range. Works fine as our city runabout in London, and we have been hiring teslas, kias, VWs etc for holidays where we need proper range... family members have moved more than 60miles away, so now looking for a longer range modern EV.
The remaining capacity isn't the whole story tho, a battery can be dead with 90% remaining capacity if the internal resistance of the cells is too high, but that is very unlikely. One thing I do know is that with the older Model S, you might get condensation/water ingress into the battery modules because the venting valves get stuck and don't work anymore, then this kills the electronics for the BMS which more or less can brick the battery. That's the stuff I would watch out for in higher milage ones, now I don't know if that's a huge issue in America if it's coming from a tempered climate, but in Europe, it can be a problem with the early ones. They may have fixed that with the Model 3. Cells can still be good in that case, and the batteries are often repairable, but it is still something to note. I had quite a few repairs under warranty with my Model 3 but I'm still happy with it, it is dirt cheap to run, and we pay about 4-5€/62 miles. With a diesel or a gas car, you would pay 10-15€/62 miles in fuel costs alone, and no oil changes, waiting at the gas station or rumbling from the engine anymore.
Right, ignorant people hear "battery" and they think of a lead-acid Sears Die Hard they have to replace like every 3 to 5 years or such for a few hundred bucks and then go all 🤯😱 when they hear what replacing an EV battery costs. But an EV battery is meant to last the entire life of the car. It's equivalent to the engine and transmission of a gasoline car - the biggest, heaviest, most complex, most expensive item in the car. Replacing those also costs four or five figures but that's rare
I’ve had my model 3 since 2018 and it’s been a fantastic car. I’ve had one issue that rendered it inoperable. A critter chewed through the front wiring harness. When pressing brake to put it in drive, the pedal would shake and a ton of error codes were shown on the screen. Could not put it in drive, neutral, tow mode, etc. had to have it towed by Tesla to a service center to diagnose and fix. Took about 1 day. However…if a critter chewed through the right cables/wiring in a gas car…you’re looking at similar major problems.
Pretty much everyone I've talked to who is resistant to the EV transition are coming from a place of "nothing ever changes therefore these will always have these problems".
correction. LFP doesn't have unlimited cycles, it just has much more than NMC. So, you can charge it to 100% once a week without any noticeable degredation of the battery.
In fact, because the voltage change during discharge is much smaller than the nickel-cobalt-manganese Li-ion battery, the LFP should be charged to 100% periodically to keep the car’s battery capacity computation correct.
Love your videos 🤩 My Tesla S 75kD with AWD distribute torq to all 4 wheels, and that doesn’t wear tyres more that my other cars. Ok if you drive like mainiac all the time, you wear down tyres no matter what car you drive. Greeting from Oslo Norway😊
When I bought my EV, Tesla had a long lag time! So I bought an ioniq 5. That was three years ago. I am now 72 years of age and I love my Hyundai. A 🏴 living in 🇮🇪 P.S. I found your podcasts on Spotify!
Rental car employees have no clue how to help renters with EV's. My sister picked up a Jeep Rubicon 4XE and Enterprise never told her she could charge it to get better MPG. Using battery 49 MPG without battery 15 MPG. Rental car companies SUCK when it comes to EV rentals.
I’m a Tesla owner and frequent renter at Hertz. The worst thing Hertz could have done is switch over to other EVs with CCS charging. I rented a Polestar that refused to charge on A/C level II charging and the for the first time in my life I found myself anxious and in a Walmart parking lot at Electrify America. Turns out, Polestars are buggy and it needed some type of software update from the dealer and/or failed AC inverter. Keep in mind I’ve driven my Tesla on an 1,100 mile road trip each way and never was concerned or anxious about charging. I told my colleague who drives a gas car who was with me that if that was my experience with Tesla, I would have sold the car a month later.
Hi Ben, I have a 2021 KONA electric. I've enjoyed having this beautiful car and will never go back to ice again. The cost for maintaining my car is minimal. Scott is scared that his livelihood as a mechanic will be lost. I wish, in my apt building, I was allowed to have a charger. I need to use public chargers. It's more of an inconvenience having to use public chargers, but it's all I have.
Thx for fighting the FUD HERTZ wasn't smart enough NOT to buy performance Model Teslas. Less than 4 sec 0 to 60. What were they thinking???? No wonder all the accidents were happening for HERTZ sports cars......
Isn't Hertz also selling off their Tesla fleet because they're about 3 years old and that's the normal life of a rental vehicle? Hertz sells all their calls about every 3 years and buys new models. This is normal for them for any vehicle, not just the Teslas/EVs 7 hours while I'm asleep costs me 0 hours to refill the car.
I will say, I had a small collision (no visible damage on the bumper) and that broke many very important functions on my Kia Niro EV. The front windows couldn’t roll down, the lift gate stopped working (no way to open the trunk), the car wouldn’t lock, and most importantly, the charge port door wouldn’t open. So yea it could be driven but it couldn’t be charged. There were other things that stopped working that were less important as well. I’m not sure if this is a flaw with Kia’s design, or if this happens with other EVs as well, but it’s crazy that such a small accident caused that much of the car to stop working.
Quebec canadian driving a MYLR here ; Heat pumps helps but definetly does NOT solve it. we still loose around 30-40% range in harsh winters like -27Celcius you were using as an example.
One of the other reasons I heard that Hertz wants the Tesla’s gone is that replacing parts as simple as internal trim pieces seats bumpers whatever was taking forever and they couldn’t maintain the teslas to look nice at all. They always had some sort of issue.
@@soliniv1411 I didn’t say that hertz didn’t like EVs but it’s documented from them that they were having a hard time maintaining and getting parts for things as simple as a ripped seat cracked screen on the dash whatever needed to be fixed the cars would wait forever for simple fixes and it meant they had more down time than expected for the vehicles. This played into hertz’s decision to back away from so many teslas
@@BenSullinsOfficial Auto Trader UK channel debunks the never ending bs about EV`s they have a 400.000+km Tesla on there channel that still has a 71% battery life and close to 200 mile range.... Also debunks the 20.000 cost of battery replacements too...
I stopped watching Scotty because of his less than accurate EV statements. What else is he less than accurate about? Is rather not find out the hard way following bad advice.
I have a 2017 Chevy bolt with 98,000 miles on it and I’ve needed new tires once. Tires wear out based on the weight of the car and how you drive. I’ve also needed a new 12 V battery once add new brakes also once. Even the old, anti-EV, Fox News watching baby boomers joke with me about how much money I save by not having a gas engine to maintain.
Over the last 2 years my honda Pilot needed a timing belt, and my CRV needed the belt tensioner replaced. Plus the usual oil changes and junk. My Tesla model Y has been to the shop ZERO times.
Had 2021 model Y but my son crashed in bad weather, insurance totaled it, so I went to Tesla web and bought 2021 model3 2021 19k mile for 28k. Getting delivery today. I checked all over and This is the best option for any vehicle under $30k, sh-y Corolla, Civic are almost same price.
Rented them from Hz.. 2 weeks long... Drove 4,000 Miles, Tx to Wisconsin.. Loved it. Highly recommend. I live off grid, dont have at home charging, since i dont have the capacity. Yet.
For tires a hack for longer lasting EV tires is to use light truck rated tires. These tires are already for high weight vehicles and will last alot longer than passenger rated tires.
I guarantee if this was 120+ years ago, he'd be arguing against the new fandangled automobile and be in favor of a horse and buggy! I have a coworker who bought a 2020 Tesla (not sure the mileage) but he has had zero issues with it. He also lives on an apartment complex with no charging. He just goes to Walmart once a week and uses their fast chargers. He's only there 10 to 15 mins and he's good for at least another 4 or 5 days.
Been driving EVs since 2014, I gave him up years ago because I realized he did not know what he is talking about. He reminds me of my uncle who only gets his news from faux.
He reminds me of that next door neighbour, that if you see him before he sees you, you do a U-turn so don't have to get into a "conversation" with him.
3:40 They do not have unlimited cycle time! They recommend charging them to 100% once a week because if I'm not mistaken, there isn't as much voltage sag as it discharges, so it's to make sure it's calibrated, since it won't know where 0% is otherwise.
@svensvensson5880 in the US maybe but in the UK where 220V is standard and the average charger is 7.2khw, there's no NEED to get your house rewired to 3 phase in order to get a faster charger in. It's more of a "nice to have". My long range MG5 has no issues charging overnight, even when only charging on the cheap hours my tarriff allows.
@@sonicwingnut I'm not sure about the US but in the nordic countries in Europe most residential buildings have a 3-phase connection. (Some small and/or old ones may have just one but those are pretty rare). I can use just one phase and do just fine with that but using all 3 makes the required time short enough that I can charge just during the cheapest few hours in the night instead of all of them. Often the price is slightly negative during those so the windmill owners pay me to accept their electricity into my car. 😄
Scotty reminds me of that ‘old before their time’ relative on the mothers side that has an extreme opinion about everything, bordering on conspiracy but because he is family gets invited to the Christmas dinner every year. We smile, feel sorry for his wife, say hello and move on to someone else we haven’t seen for a year. (As quickly as is polite)
I’ve got a 2017 BMW i3 with over 150,000 miles. It’s still at over 85% of the original battery capacity. Absolutely no issues other than tires, replacing the 12 volt battery, and replacing the brake pads once (at about 150,000 miles). I am NEVER going back to an ICE car if I can help it. Just not worth the headaches of maintenance and going to gas stations. I think a lot of EVs will end up outlasting gas cars.
Yea 3:30 is very inaccurate language. A “cycle” refers to the battery fully charging and discharging its entire capacity. So for a 25kWh battery that’s 25kWh in and out. That can be 100%-0% once, or 60%-40% 5 times. LFP batteries are LESS impacted by 100% charging but MORE impacted by top end short cycles. 100%-75% charging yielded less cycles overall than 100%-0%. Best practice is to charge to 100% and then not plug in until the battery is as low as your are comfortable taking it. Or, imo based on the data we have, treat it like a NMC battery where you’d still limit your maximum to about 70% and charge everyday, but then once a week to once a month charge to 100% and then deplete as much as possible. Unfortunately we don’t have data for day 75-50 or 50-25 on LFP like we do NMC, but the data did show that lowering your top charge: 80%, 60% and 25% all to 0% showed more cycles in that order. The main thing that those all have in common is they spend less time at higher soc. The main reason it’s recommended to charge a LFP car to 100% with frequency is because the voltage curve is much flatter than NMC, so instead of relying purely on voltage, the BMS tracks amps in and amps out, but this will inherently become less accurate over time until the system is recalibrated by charging to 100%.
I had my concerns about getting a Tesla, but I took a chance and got a new Performance Y in march. LOVE IT. And I never had a range problem or charging problem. And I tow 3000 lbs once a week will no issues locally. Scotty is a bafoon
You're not going to need to charge it that long every night and that's where the dishonesty comes in. He's not saying oh most people aren't going to use 70% of the battery everyday. Most nights when you come home it will only need to charge for an hour or two.
I bought my wife a Tesla model Y LR. This morning she hopped in and drove off in less than 30 seconds, looking both ways before pulling out. I guess Teslas are easy to figure out.
I bought a used 2017 Model X in 2020 with 80k miles on it. At 113k miles I replaced the brakes. Surprise, I did it myself. I bought the rotors and pads on Amazon and in pulling off the brakes I realized they were the original brakes on the car. You show me an ICE car that could go that long on 1 set of brakes. 😂 Someone should also tell Scotty, you can take a Tesla into any brake shop and get brakes done without having to find that “special tech.” Second, anyone should be mindful buying ANY used car from a rental company. Not just an EV. I mean. I would be more nervous to buy an ICE from a rental company over an EV because it’s much harder to abuse an EV motor over an ICE.
16:05 It says DUAL MOTOR on the back, it's not LFP, it's an NMC battery. Also, in this case, he's charging at 32A, the dual motor NMC has 40A capability. The plug could limit the charging to 32A, but that's not Tesla's fault.
Charging at home would be perfect for me, no more trips to the petrol station. Commuting during the day, couple of hours charging during the day when the solar panels are maxxed out.
Yeah the insurance thing is truly overblown. Living in the bay area in Cali I pay 148/mo with Tesla Insurance. I got quoted over 220/mo with every other major insurance company. Model 3 2022
My 2021 Model Y had the CPU fail while under warranty. I lost all cameras, safety features, and applications. I still had the speedometer and gear selector display. What surprised me was that the car continued to run and drive. It was in their shop for two days (during which I got a loaner from the service center). I shudder to think what this will cost if it happens now that the car is out of warranty, but, so far so good.
I’ve had a Tesla for 5 years. Almost all charging is done at home while I sleep. Today I drove from Annapolis to my home in RI. I left with a full charge at 7:30 stopped for breakfast and charged, stopped for a 5 minute bathroom break and charged(you can’t do that when you are pumping gas) then stopped for lunch and charged before arriving home. The charging might have added 10 minutes to my trip as most was done while I was doing my normal stops. My badder range is much less than my battery.
He is a mechanic! You are proving his point. You are talking about the latest and greatest models. You are defending with new models. As a mechanic, people are going to drop off used EV so he can give them the once over before you buy them.
Thank you, Ben, for calling that guy out on his lies. It's infuriating to see anti-EV types manipulate the vulnerable and ignorant with tricks like harping on charging time. We need to get across that EVs require a shift in thinking almost like going from horses to gasoline cars. Talking about a charging EV from the car's perspective is silly because we're not cars; we're not sitting in the garage or driveway for hours. We're sleeping, eating dinner, watching TV etc just as we do with a gasoline car sitting there. What counts is the 10 seconds it takes to plug and unplug
My blood boils every single time I see a on the level of Scottyl. If Scotty blew his nose really hard, he would lose the last two working brain cells he had in his head. He reminds me if the President of the Michigan Savings Bank who told Horace Rackham (early investor in Ford) that, "The horse is here to stay, but the automobile is only a novelty--a fad!" I can hear Scotty uttering those words every time he comes in contact with an EV. The problem with Scotty--he is not about providing information...he is about clicks and $$$ and that is all! You know how you know he is lying? His lips are moving!
Actually you have to feel for the guy, he probably planned to support his retirement with his online help channel and thought that EVs were not going to happen very fast, well in the last ten years the bell curve is quite a lot higher than he expected so he’s now reaching out to Legacy for funding listening to his current posts …
I'm surprise that Ben didn't mention service mode on the Tesla. It gives you a ton of information about all the systems on the car and can even perform a battery test. If you have a warning light, it can help you diagnose it.
Scotty summed his position up with "Technology is total insanity".
Claissic Luddite in the final stages of denial.
He should be riding a donkey!
I found the EV zealot. Not nice being called names huh...
@@brandonsheffield9873 Scott has had ample opportunity to respond to data and facts and yet he continues to make a living from engagement farming.
He makes good money laughing at others and, occasionally, calling them names.
"EV Zealot" is a very mild 'name' relative to the names he and his supporters have used.
You don't even know what a luddite means!😂😂
@@jerrysflooringmendoza2487 really?
"a person opposed to new technology or ways of working."
Which is exactly the quote word for word from Scott I referenced in my post.
I bought a used Tesla what a piece of garbage. I only put 100,000 kilometres and haven’t had 1 problem with it no oil changes. It is absolutely ridiculous how awesome this vehicle is.
Your comment doesn't make sense.
I’m sorry my sarcasm is lost on you.
@@lenperin4923 lol
Makes perfect sense
I bought a used Tesla from Tesla also. Zero problems the car has been amazing!!
Ben, in 2018 I purchased a new Model S100D w/using your code.
Car is still driving great, original breaks / battery / no big issues, did soft wear upgrade for the screen,
Have about 230,000 miles and still going strong,
My goal is to keep car a very long time,
Thanks
Dale H
What kind of battery degradation have you experienced, if any? My 2019 Model X used to get about 333 miles at 90% charge, now in Aug 2024 it gets about 300 miles at 90%. When/if it ever needs a new battery, the car won't be worth it, which makes EVs "throw-away" cars, "at some point".
"B-r-a-k-e-s"
@@F8Tributo New it was supposed to go up to 330miles, Never went up to 330miles, New was able to get 315miles,
Now able to hit 284miles fully charged. I normally charge up to 80 or 90%. Only hit full charge on long distance which is about once or twice a week.
Hope that helps.
@@lynnh8189 brakes*
@@F8Tributo At some point I expect that the cost of batteries may come way, waaay down. A "remanufactured" battery pack that starts with 75% of original capacity and degrades to 60% of original over 10 years may make a "worthless" Model S worth something. (That would be 250 miles degrading to 200 over 10 years, I'd pay $15K for THAT Model S right now).
The CHEMISTRY in batteries is incredibly complex and difficult - the ENGINEERING and BMS are not. People "reverse engineer" batteries routinely now; Tesla and others are actively trying to prevent it (like any OEM). It will take longer, but the barrier to EV adoption is STILL the price of batteries - AND NOTHING ELSE.
But is it better than a Toyota?
Ben, I really like that you are taking on these EV Fearmongers, keep it up. My comment is related to the towing section of this video: I have a Tesla Model Y and a Ford F350 PSD. I use the F350 to tow my 37' 5th wheel travel trailer. Everyone says that EVs loose range when towing, which is true. But the follow up to that is that Gas/Diesel trucks also loose range when towing. When I have my trailer behind my F350 I loose about 50% of my range (down to about 120 miles with my 25 gal. tank). To me, the only issue with an EV truck is charging speed and available charge stations (both of these issues will be resolved over time). As much as I like the current crop of EV trucks, none of them meet my needs, not because of range or charging, but because I need to tow about 15,000 pounds. That is literally the only reason I have the truck. I only put 3,000 miles on it in the last 12 months. I remain optimistic that in the future even the tow capacity will be resolved by an EV truck that isn't Semi sized.
Takes me 3 and 1/2 hours to charge my Tesla model 3 performance on the Tesla wall connector. That is going from 90% to 35%. I do this everyday because I have a long commute to work. I love the fact that I don't have to go to a gas station and I just plug in and it's ready when I wake up. Absolutely love it!
Been to the gas station 2x in the last 3 months, my ice sits in the garage 90% of the time. It was more expensive than my YM.
@@johnnyquid-xj4kkWhat is a YM?
Anti EV people don't ever bring up that point at just charging it into a wall. They think you gotta always visit a super charger.
Nor the fact that people drive less than 45 miles on average in America. They all act like everyone is driving 4 hours a day or something.
I've met EV owners who then will rent for vacations with a small portion of money they have saved from fuel costs/Maintenence.
For me it is the real world performance versus cost.
I was just comparing a Lucid Saphire to a Lambo Aventador. One of the purest super cars with no luxury.
Lucid Sapphire could beat it in many metrics, and like 10 mph top speed less for like half the price.
That is a freaken family sedan you can daily drive! Should not be close!
It is wild. Electric motors are superior. Batteries in ten years will make it so there is few reasons to drive an ICE or Hybrids.
A Y Model
@dianapennepacker6854 a YM is probably a MY (Tesla Model Y) owned by a mildly dyslexic person.
Scotty is a guy that's afraid of change
Scotty is placating to his audience who are ICE owners concerned about ICE maintenance.
EV enthusiasts worry higher order concerns like car detailing and performance enhancements to the suspension and wheels. ICE owners are too bogged down with engine pinging and worn out belts. 😉
He's a very biased ice-head. He can't handle the truth! EV > ICE
True. Sometimes I wrote to him, other at may conments. to all ignorant about ev.
Nah, he changes his oil, brakes, tires, fluids, etc. All the time. Lol
Wait, Scotty isn’t wrong on a lot of this. Ben even states that things have improved, and a lot of these improvements are very recent. Battery chemistry, tires, range in low temps…
And where do you get them repaired? He’s not wrong. Ben lives in CA, probably near a Tesla center, and he buys brand new high end cars. Scotty speaks more to the used buyer that may not know a lot about EV’s. And Scotty is in Tennessee, not CA. He is being somewhat over the top, but that’s just Scotty.
I've also commented on his EV videos and I think he remove them because calling him out on his lies!
He’s trying to tell as many lies as his cult leader😂
I have also comented on his videos, but more important I reply to most of their cheerleaders, and it takes more than a couple of hours, since I have to research for the true responds.
I've did as well on that video. I think it was removed as well.
Thanks for this, you sound like me, 23 y p my best car ever
Yes - mine too. His bubble is fragile.
Scotty must be aware that a new ICE vehicle is also full of “technology “ that is beyond the ability of the average driver to fix
towing with a gas truck effects mileage too. My sequoia would drop to 4mpg dragging our trailer. 20 gal usable tank = stopping every 100 miles.
This is common sense, right? This Scotty guy doesn't care about facts. And all new cars do have a lot of technology even ICE cars. His EV videos are just pure nonsense.
“Every 100 miles”
Needing to stop that often at current charging speeds would be less practical for an EV
Exactly. I have a Model Y and a V8 truck. Guess which one I’m towing with and which one I daily?….i get 9MPG when I tow😂…on a 36gal tank 😂
@@ThreeDogsTwoCatsAndAWife I was literally going to mention that solution. only thing I would change would be a diesel. Best for both jobs.
There was something amis on your Sequoia.
can you imagine scotty 20 years from now surrounded by electric cars, telling his grandchildren about the good ol days.
The good old days when you could smell traffic
Yup. Hell live that long too, his pops died in his 90s.
By sucking through the exhaust tail pipe 😅😅😅😅
@@raymondschembri5042 i think he’s just stuck in the past, like most anti ev people they just can’t handle change.
@@jean-marcgruninger9019 aye, dont judgr book by the cover. He might just do that to please his audiance. I have yet to see a person going back to ICE around me after they own a EV. This thing is forbidden fruit for some petrol cult.
Cost of repairs…. Just had to fix my son’s Chrysler 300 that has 81k miles. The outside / inside of the car look great. And now that I’ve just spent $8,500 on replacing most of the head and oil system hopefully it will run for longer. A rebuilt engine with labor would have been more. We also found out it is a common problem with these engines. We kept up with maintenance. Just luck of the draw. We were lucky a few years ago that we were still under warranty when the transmission had to be replaced. Sooooo yeah a battery might cost a bunch but so does an engine and transmission on a gas car.
Well what do you expect from a very low quality company like chrysler...
@@cbrock66 battery costs are coming down quite a bit now. There are even third-party companies that can replace modules of the battery instead of the whole thing. Since there's money and batteries now technology to keep them going at a lower cost is changing very fast. It won't cost you an arm or leg to get a battery replaced anymore.
We just use a 110V outlet to charge our EV, and even then we only charge every two to three days because we only drive about 15-20km/day usually. So if you don't drive very far on average you don't even need a Lvl 2 charger at home.
I own a 2022 Mini Cooper SE - the lowest cost, lowest range EV in the US Market today and I absolutely love it! Because of the small range (tiny battery) tire wear is no different than in an ICE car. Also - charging to 100% (realistically 80% thanks to BMW’s incredible battery managemnt system) from as little as 10% takes about 3 hrs (4 in winter - Minnesota Winter) on my home LEvel 2 charger. It’s perfect for taking it into the city and doing all my errands in town. My wife has an ICE car (2011 VW) that we pretty much only use for travel sinve level 3 charging infrastructure is still very poor here. Best part - it was an early adapter of a heat pump and that was the reason I picked it over the VW Golf-e.
I love how he pulled the car into the tree and bushes to charge instead of just backing in. 😂
Yeah?!? Why is that thing covered like he’s hiding it?😂
@@ThreeDogsTwoCatsAndAWife i would be too!
maybe because he has other equipment set up.
I find this whole argument about ev weight crazy making. Here in California there's a 6,000 pound suburban on every block.
The cost of an ice engine replacement can easily be 10 grand and that doesn't include transmission or the rest of the drivetrain.
At one time I revered Toyota but they have fallen from Grace in my world. We just had to pay 3 grand for a ABS module on our '08 Lexus.
I think the bottom line is the oil companies are fighting for their survival and they'll Tell any lie. I read Exxon Mobil alone funds over 4,000 disinformation groups.
I honestly can't stand this guy.
@@LucDesormeaux Which one?
Dito, these two guys...
@@---__000 It’s ditto, for future reference.
@@LucDesormeaux i hope nobody is forcing you to watch him 😅
I always sit and watch my phone to charge for one and half hour....😁
Ben, I believed the lies about EVs for years. I let the car companies stair step me into more efficient vehicles. I went from a conventional in 2012, to a hybrid in 2015, to a plug-in hybrid in 2018, and finally bit the bullet and got an EV this year. In retrospect, I would've been completely fine with an EV in like 2019. I was able to drive around a loaner 2018 Tesla Model 3 for a few days, and I realized that if I'd bought that car in 2018, it would have served me well.
And you would have saved approximately $6,000 to $12,000 U.S. on fuel since then.
A lot of it isn’t even lies, just unreasonably packaged truths.
Like how Scotty in his vid talked as though seven hour home charge times would be massively impractical for most people.
Repackaged by an EV supporter the same information becomes that even on a completely empty tank, you can simply charge while you sleep instead of ever having to stop to fill up.
There’s fossil fuel propaganda around, but also a LOT of people with integrity trying to get their facts right who simply bring a lot of bias to the conversation. Often bias planted there BY an industry.
@macmcleod1188 But you're electric bill will go up though.
@@CJColvin yes. My typical household bill will go up by approximately 1/4 as much as the gasoline bill goes down.
Assuming I don't have solar.
I wonder if Scotty stands around his cell phone at night waiting for it to charge?
He probably did when cell phones were first introduced. The dude’s body does not like change.
Still has a rotary phone because he's worried about replacing his cell phone's battery. Also, it's "too complicated."
8:16 “they’re not as simple as other cars” 😂 what is he comparing to? Between EGR, EVAP, timing belts/chains, serpentine belts, spark plugs and coils, and the high number of valve train parts… a gas car looks like a 5000 piece puzzle. And reading the codes requires an external tool on them too. So full of it.
and you can literally get Tesla parts & full service manuals online, for free, and check things out. Surprisingly simple. They even have user-serviceable stuff like air cabin filters, low-voltage battery, etc online in regular website.
Scotty sounds like he is very much stuck in the past and is terrify of technology. Like what was his reaction when smart phones first came to the market and replaces the old phone with physical buttons?
EVs are not new
@@InternetExplorer-s9g Don't be pedantic.
Yup. He literally ended with "technology is total insanity." Yet, he's a car mechanic... I think we've established it is actually Scotty that is total insanity.
I have a 2020 model Y with just over 46,000 miles and I'm still on the original Continental tires. It just depends on how you drive it's not the car it's you
You got 46000 miles from a set of tires? Really? I have to be honest, that seems unlikely.
@@tatata1543 Maybe it is unlikely but I just looked and I have 46,916 miles with the original Continental tires and I drive about 95% of the time on FSD.
@@jimmyers4890to be safe, just change them, as the interior walls can develop rot and can lead to sudden deflation (explode) while driving due to age and pressure changes.
Model 3 2021 with the same mileage and oe tires. Used to love Scotty but lately he's just being a doomer to progress.
Maybe you always on chill mode? my 2021 Model Y tires lasted about a little over 30k miles. I do like to go quick when is green light.
Scotty Kilmer is a great example of an old dog that can't learn new tricks
😂 Scotty clearly doesn’t know what he’s talking about, with anything 🤣
No, but he knows his audience.
It's hard to imagine that he's genuinely ignorant, and it seems more likely that he is deliberately deceptive
@@IrishCarney I like my EV and I like Scotty Kilmer. Scotty is right about everything he's saying.
not true, he knows everything about 1994 Toyota Celicas, the best cars ever made. ( per Scotty )
@@terrancecloverfield6791 No he's a liar. Because he harps on charging time, ignoring the fact that a gasoline car sits there in your garage or driveway too as you eat dinner, watch TV, and sleep, but an EV is charging up in that time. Kilmer acts like you're waiting around in broad daylight waiting for your car to charge up for hours; that's a lie.
You don't need special tires. You just need to stop flooring it all the time.
Owned toyotas exclusively for a long time until my new car i just bought .
Tesla model Y .
You need to brush up on your battery knowledge with respect to your comments at about 3:30. Charging to 100% is not what "creates a cycle". It's not like the battery only marks a cycle when it gets back to 100%. And batteries have different cycle lives depending on the depth of discharge. For example, a battery might loose X% of it's capacity after 500 cycles from 100% down to whatever it's cutoff voltage is, while it might take 5000 cycles from 100% down to 90% to loose the same capacity. And LiFePo batteries can't be discharged to 0, they typically have a cutoff voltage of about 2.4 volts. This is lower than lithium ion's 3 volt cutoff, but it's not zero.
I came to mention this.
NMC has an 80% recommended because above roughly this the materials are ~more ~active which degrades the chemistry of the cell more then when at lower SoC.
It doesn't have anything to do with full nor partial cycles.
This is why most NMC recommends storage at below roughly 50%, because the chemical energy potential at higher levels degrades faster simply existing at higher more reactive chemical potential.
I'm not stating this as well as others can and have, but I hope you get the just.
Other chemistries have different behaviors, such as LiFePo4 (lithium iron) do not have such degradation at higher SoC levels, so those can be fully charged to 100% without impacting lifespan.
I think the limiting factor has covered these nuances.
@@JustSomeJoe-dp5rp came here to say this.... Lol, thx!
Ben didn't phrase it correctly but I'm sure he understands why charging to 100% and discharging to 0% hurts cycle life. It's not because it affects the number of cycles - it's faster degradation of the cathode and anode when charging to 100% or discharging to 0%. And when he said 100 to zero for LiFe he meant 0% not 0V (btw - the cut off voltage for LiFe is generally set at 2.5V not 2.4V for most BMS). And he was also wrong about LiFe having "virtually unlimited cycles" - it's somewhere between 4,000 and 6,000 cycles and charging to 100% and down to 0% will decrease those cycles. You need to charge LiFe to 100% occasionally to do a top balance but not that often. Ford say once a month, Tesla say once a week but a better metric would be once every "x" amount of charge cycles. I generally charge to 90% with LiFe and occasionally go up to 100% but if you needed the full range every day I'd have no problem going to 100% - you might knock 10% off your overall battery longevity.
@@mondotv4216 I don't know if he knows.
Fully charged NMC are more chemically active and so break down their materials when at 100% is why that degrades them at that SoC. Going to 100% is perfectly fine as long as you don't let it just sit full for extended timespans.
And fully discharged 0% batteries risk gradual self discharge or parasite loads that could cause a voltage per cell to fall lower than is safe. But it isn't bad to approach 0% if you'll be charging it back up soon, aside from the risk that the BMS is wrong and it goes to 0% unexpectedly. This makes Teslas false 0% and large buffer a better strategy than the Ford 0% is literally 0% with no BMS margin for error.
The two extreme SoC values and risks are independent from cycle depredation. That is to say, a cycle is a cumulative kWh use that matches the capacity. One 100kWh 0-100-0% cycle is roughly equivalent to ten 50-60-50% cycles. There are even some situations where a periodic semi-annual full cycle can help the health of a battery. Not like NiMH old "memory effect", but a full PbA or Li cycle sort of "stretches" out the battery...
Many multi decade old tricks and nuances learned from hundreds of BEV conversions guys doing the dirty workm
The other thing about charging from home is that you don't usually have to fully charge it. It's convenient enough you can just top it up a bit each day or so, or whenever you're not using it.
The idea that fully charging every time is important, is an ICE mentality. It would be super annoying if you couldn't do that in an ICE, but it doesn't apply to home charging.
It’s not just EV losing significant range from towing. My Toyota tundra pulling a 9k lbs travel trailer went from 19mpg to 9mpg. Due to the size of my gas tank I have to fill up every 150 miles. The main difference is I can refuel the tundra in under 10 mins with a pull through pump. I think electric tech will have all of this addressed within a decade or so
Ben, imagine living in a country full of Scotties that’s where I’m from. This guy would be a national hero here😂😂
Scotland?
Not even close, but appreciate the try👍
America you mean...
@@diamond_h0us 🤣
@@EnzroGreenidge exactly, compare to rest of the world. Americans are the ones that afraid of change the most.
Reminds me of people who think dishwashers are a waste because they take longer than hand washing. They refuse to take into account the significant reduction in water use and the main benefit which is that you don’t have to do it. Not the same but the arguments against EV’s are in the same vein. Good content brother, keep it up!
I do have to agree with Scotty on the immense knowledge and skill required to maintain my Tesla. For example, I recently had to, once again, add washer fluid. Fortunately, with the right tools and years of experience, I was able to open the hood and add the fluid and close the hood again- lol!
The thing going for him is that, currently (see what I did there?) an EV is not suitable for everyone. If you drive 2 or 3 hundred miles a day, it may be a bit tricky, depending on your EV, and if you drive 500 or 1000 miles a day then it will definitely be a bit more of a problem. Likewise if you are constantly towing heavy things. The problem is - that only applies to - what? - 2% of the population of car owners. So an EV is not suitable for every situation. He extrapolates that to say that EVs are not suit able for any situation. The man is a fool, and should be ignored.
Holy cow, 2 to 3 hundred miles a day? Itd better not very day unless it is ride sharing, but even that, EV will come down lot cheaper by factoring in the maintenance saving. 500 to 1000? The pay better be over 7 figure after tax. Otherwise wont justify. Lol
A few years back, I saw a comment in a discussion on EVs. The poster said, "It takes me about five minutes to charge my car. Three minutes to plug in at night and two minutes to unplug it the next morning."
Scotties great grandfather was very unset when the automobile replaced the horse and buggy. Was a LOT off "downsides" to the new fangled machines. It will never take off. Lol
Indeed there were. Keeping a horse meant you didn't have to mow your back lot. Also you could get a new horse if you borrowed another one, or had two of them, to replace your old one. Plus if you travelled the same route regularly you got self-driving included. Way better than a car.
The average American car sits 22.8 hrs a day, mostly at home.
One thing I haven't seen anyone else point out, is it that most electric car owners are recharging about 60 mi per day or less which means they're going to be finished in a level 2 charger in about 2 hours.
The only way Scotty is getting 7 hours and 40 minutes to charge it is that he drove the car to empty and pushed it into the spot.
Right and when you try to educate anti-EV brainwashed people about that then the eye roll inducing brags about how far they supposedly drive starts. Hundreds of miles a day every day at 85 mph uphill both ways in a headwind in Antarctic conditions. Every day - thump chest. Why, you city slickers don't get what the "real world" is like. blah blah
He could have picked it up from Hertz with 10% and only just made it home too !
Who own's Scotty's channel now? I assume he sold out like many and is now the paid presenter for whatever narrative they want to spin.
Good question!
I trust his onion more than Elon lies about $40,000 cyber trucks and full self driving that not full self driving.
Thank you for debunking the Kilmer conspiracy theories!
People assume that if a battery has to be replaced, you have a dead battery. Good batteries with 70 percent or less can be replaces. If you can't use the range, you get now. You get it replaced under warranty. 8 yrs or 120,000 mile warranty thru Tesla free. After that you pay for a replacement. Even if your range is less but enough for you, you wouldn't have to replace the battery even then..... we drive 60 to 90 miles a day. If we would get 150 miles at 70 percent, that would be fine for us. And get a rental for vacation.
@@2pdlpwr this is what we have been doing with our 2013nissan leaf with 60miles range. Works fine as our city runabout in London, and we have been hiring teslas, kias, VWs etc for holidays where we need proper range... family members have moved more than 60miles away, so now looking for a longer range modern EV.
The remaining capacity isn't the whole story tho, a battery can be dead with 90% remaining capacity if the internal resistance of the cells is too high, but that is very unlikely.
One thing I do know is that with the older Model S, you might get condensation/water ingress into the battery modules because the venting valves get stuck and don't work anymore, then this kills the electronics for the BMS which more or less can brick the battery.
That's the stuff I would watch out for in higher milage ones, now I don't know if that's a huge issue in America if it's coming from a tempered climate, but in Europe, it can be a problem with the early ones.
They may have fixed that with the Model 3.
Cells can still be good in that case, and the batteries are often repairable, but it is still something to note.
I had quite a few repairs under warranty with my Model 3 but I'm still happy with it, it is dirt cheap to run, and we pay about 4-5€/62 miles.
With a diesel or a gas car, you would pay 10-15€/62 miles in fuel costs alone, and no oil changes, waiting at the gas station or rumbling from the engine anymore.
Right, ignorant people hear "battery" and they think of a lead-acid Sears Die Hard they have to replace like every 3 to 5 years or such for a few hundred bucks and then go all 🤯😱 when they hear what replacing an EV battery costs. But an EV battery is meant to last the entire life of the car. It's equivalent to the engine and transmission of a gasoline car - the biggest, heaviest, most complex, most expensive item in the car. Replacing those also costs four or five figures but that's rare
I’ve had my model 3 since 2018 and it’s been a fantastic car. I’ve had one issue that rendered it inoperable. A critter chewed through the front wiring harness. When pressing brake to put it in drive, the pedal would shake and a ton of error codes were shown on the screen. Could not put it in drive, neutral, tow mode, etc. had to have it towed by Tesla to a service center to diagnose and fix. Took about 1 day. However…if a critter chewed through the right cables/wiring in a gas car…you’re looking at similar major problems.
Pretty much everyone I've talked to who is resistant to the EV transition are coming from a place of "nothing ever changes therefore these will always have these problems".
I would also bet that they don't have, and probably have never, driven an EV.
I drive a Chevy Bolt and I use a 110v charger at home for it. I have absolutely no issues with that.
correction. LFP doesn't have unlimited cycles, it just has much more than NMC. So, you can charge it to 100% once a week without any noticeable degredation of the battery.
Good catch
In fact, because the voltage change during discharge is much smaller than the nickel-cobalt-manganese Li-ion battery, the LFP should be charged to 100% periodically to keep the car’s battery capacity computation correct.
Thanks for defusing the FUD.
Love your videos 🤩 My Tesla S 75kD with AWD distribute torq to all 4 wheels, and that doesn’t wear tyres more that my other cars. Ok if you drive like mainiac all the time, you wear down tyres no matter what car you drive. Greeting from Oslo Norway😊
Ah, Norway. I spent some time in Stavanger. Cheers from SoCal
When I bought my EV, Tesla had a long lag time! So I bought an
ioniq 5. That was three years ago.
I am now 72 years of age and I love my Hyundai.
A 🏴 living in 🇮🇪
P.S. I found your podcasts on Spotify!
A backyard hammer mechanic that discovered RUclips. There's a sucker born every minute 😅
You got that right , Elon is the master of finding gullible customers.
Rental car employees have no clue how to help renters with EV's. My sister picked up a Jeep Rubicon 4XE and Enterprise never told her she could charge it to get better MPG. Using battery 49 MPG without battery 15 MPG. Rental car companies SUCK when it comes to EV rentals.
About towing - Winter time OR ANY ELSE - ICE or BEV - YOU WILL HAVE LESS RANGE anyway in those conditions. It's a none argument.
I’m a Tesla owner and frequent renter at Hertz. The worst thing Hertz could have done is switch over to other EVs with CCS charging. I rented a Polestar that refused to charge on A/C level II charging and the for the first time in my life I found myself anxious and in a Walmart parking lot at Electrify America. Turns out, Polestars are buggy and it needed some type of software update from the dealer and/or failed AC inverter. Keep in mind I’ve driven my Tesla on an 1,100 mile road trip each way and never was concerned or anxious about charging. I told my colleague who drives a gas car who was with me that if that was my experience with Tesla, I would have sold the car a month later.
@@billm47645 I think they might be buying the ones with the NACS and they will be having a adapter so this isn't a problem anymore
Hi Ben, I have a 2021 KONA electric. I've enjoyed having this beautiful car and will never go back to ice again. The cost for maintaining my car is minimal. Scott is scared that his livelihood as a mechanic will be lost. I wish, in my apt building, I was allowed to have a charger. I need to use public chargers. It's more of an inconvenience having to use public chargers, but it's all I have.
Thx for fighting the FUD
HERTZ wasn't smart enough NOT to buy performance Model Teslas. Less than 4 sec 0 to 60. What were they thinking????
No wonder all the accidents were happening for HERTZ sports cars......
Isn't Hertz also selling off their Tesla fleet because they're about 3 years old and that's the normal life of a rental vehicle? Hertz sells all their calls about every 3 years and buys new models. This is normal for them for any vehicle, not just the Teslas/EVs
7 hours while I'm asleep costs me 0 hours to refill the car.
Is hertz buying a brand new fleet of teslas? After they sell the old ones
Yeah I was waiting for you to do a video about Scottie’s recent video. This was one of the stupidest one ever.
I will say, I had a small collision (no visible damage on the bumper) and that broke many very important functions on my Kia Niro EV. The front windows couldn’t roll down, the lift gate stopped working (no way to open the trunk), the car wouldn’t lock, and most importantly, the charge port door wouldn’t open. So yea it could be driven but it couldn’t be charged. There were other things that stopped working that were less important as well. I’m not sure if this is a flaw with Kia’s design, or if this happens with other EVs as well, but it’s crazy that such a small accident caused that much of the car to stop working.
Thank you for calling out the BS! You beat him up with facts. These guys are just atrocious. Keep up the good work Ben. 👍🏽
Has it not occurred to him that old vehicles are also “technology” it’s just old technology he understands
Technology is total insanity as he makes his living from technology 😮
Quebec canadian driving a MYLR here ; Heat pumps helps but definetly does NOT solve it. we still loose around 30-40% range in harsh winters like -27Celcius you were using as an example.
One of the other reasons I heard that Hertz wants the Tesla’s gone is that replacing parts as simple as internal trim pieces seats bumpers whatever was taking forever and they couldn’t maintain the teslas to look nice at all. They always had some sort of issue.
Whaaatt? You sound like a scotty fan get outta here 😅😅😅 hertz is placing a brand new order of EVs cuz they are so awesome
@@soliniv1411 I didn’t say that hertz didn’t like EVs but it’s documented from them that they were having a hard time maintaining and getting parts for things as simple as a ripped seat cracked screen on the dash whatever needed to be fixed the cars would wait forever for simple fixes and it meant they had more down time than expected for the vehicles. This played into hertz’s decision to back away from so many teslas
@@Dwilsonmusic145 i was trying to be sarcastic 😅, i agree and i know that hertz is losing a bunch of money on those teslas
I’m picking up my EV9 today, and so glad this popped up. Scotty has been off the rails for years now…
Love that car
probably my next purchase. nice car.
@@BenSullinsOfficial Auto Trader UK channel debunks the never ending bs about EV`s they have a 400.000+km Tesla on there channel that still has a 71% battery life and close to 200 mile range....
Also debunks the 20.000 cost of battery replacements too...
I stopped watching Scotty because of his less than accurate EV statements. What else is he less than accurate about? Is rather not find out the hard way following bad advice.
I have a 2017 Chevy bolt with 98,000 miles on it and I’ve needed new tires once. Tires wear out based on the weight of the car and how you drive.
I’ve also needed a new 12 V battery once add new brakes also once.
Even the old, anti-EV, Fox News watching baby boomers joke with me about how much money I save by not having a gas engine to maintain.
Over the last 2 years my honda Pilot needed a timing belt, and my CRV needed the belt tensioner replaced. Plus the usual oil changes and junk.
My Tesla model Y has been to the shop ZERO times.
Had 2021 model Y but my son crashed in bad weather, insurance totaled it, so I went to Tesla web and bought 2021 model3 2021 19k mile for 28k. Getting delivery today. I checked all over and This is the best option for any vehicle under $30k, sh-y Corolla, Civic are almost same price.
Rented them from Hz.. 2 weeks long... Drove 4,000 Miles, Tx to Wisconsin.. Loved it. Highly recommend. I live off grid, dont have at home charging, since i dont have the capacity. Yet.
For tires a hack for longer lasting EV tires is to use light truck rated tires. These tires are already for high weight vehicles and will last alot longer than passenger rated tires.
How’s the ride though?
I was just waiting for him to complain about Teslas are covered in leaves and he hurt his eyes on branches when he gets in and out.
I guarantee if this was 120+ years ago, he'd be arguing against the new fandangled automobile and be in favor of a horse and buggy!
I have a coworker who bought a 2020 Tesla (not sure the mileage) but he has had zero issues with it. He also lives on an apartment complex with no charging. He just goes to Walmart once a week and uses their fast chargers. He's only there 10 to 15 mins and he's good for at least another 4 or 5 days.
"I watched a Scotty Kilmer video and it scared the crap out of me" a more accurate title lol
14:33 ,
If batteries have an expected life, why would a " rebuilt " one make sense, especially if they don't replace the cells?
Been driving EVs since 2014, I gave him up years ago because I realized he did not know what he is talking about. He reminds me of my uncle who only gets his news from faux.
I’d call Scotty more like MSDNC tbh. Constantly repeating himself with EV fear mongering.
I think he's caught the D Trump vibes or he is the last of the homo erectus species go extinct.
He reminds me of that next door neighbour, that if you see him before he sees you, you do a U-turn so don't have to get into a "conversation" with him.
I save 600$ a month in gas and oil. It pays for itself long before it's out of warrenty. It's a free car as far as im concerned
3:40 They do not have unlimited cycle time! They recommend charging them to 100% once a week because if I'm not mistaken, there isn't as much voltage sag as it discharges, so it's to make sure it's calibrated, since it won't know where 0% is otherwise.
Scotty "I have a 220v charger that most people won't have"
Me, in the UK: "Lol. Lmao."
@@sonicwingnutHe is partially right, I have a 400V (3 phase) charger like most of the EV owners I know. 😄
@svensvensson5880 in the US maybe but in the UK where 220V is standard and the average charger is 7.2khw, there's no NEED to get your house rewired to 3 phase in order to get a faster charger in. It's more of a "nice to have". My long range MG5 has no issues charging overnight, even when only charging on the cheap hours my tarriff allows.
@@sonicwingnut I'm not sure about the US but in the nordic countries in Europe most residential buildings have a 3-phase connection. (Some small and/or old ones may have just one but those are pretty rare). I can use just one phase and do just fine with that but using all 3 makes the required time short enough that I can charge just during the cheapest few hours in the night instead of all of them. Often the price is slightly negative during those so the windmill owners pay me to accept their electricity into my car. 😄
The change to electric mobility is already unstopable. Even in cuba, look now, they are changing their cars and motorcycles to electric scooter.
The level of effort and angst to be that way must be exhausting.
Scotty reminds me of that ‘old before their time’ relative on the mothers side that has an extreme opinion about everything, bordering on conspiracy but because he is family gets invited to the Christmas dinner every year. We smile, feel sorry for his wife, say hello and move on to someone else we haven’t seen for a year. (As quickly as is polite)
I’ve got a 2017 BMW i3 with over 150,000 miles. It’s still at over 85% of the original battery capacity.
Absolutely no issues other than tires, replacing the 12 volt battery, and replacing the brake pads once (at about 150,000 miles). I am NEVER going back to an ICE car if I can help it. Just not worth the headaches of maintenance and going to gas stations. I think a lot of EVs will end up outlasting gas cars.
Yea 3:30 is very inaccurate language. A “cycle” refers to the battery fully charging and discharging its entire capacity. So for a 25kWh battery that’s 25kWh in and out. That can be 100%-0% once, or 60%-40% 5 times. LFP batteries are LESS impacted by 100% charging but MORE impacted by top end short cycles. 100%-75% charging yielded less cycles overall than 100%-0%. Best practice is to charge to 100% and then not plug in until the battery is as low as your are comfortable taking it. Or, imo based on the data we have, treat it like a NMC battery where you’d still limit your maximum to about 70% and charge everyday, but then once a week to once a month charge to 100% and then deplete as much as possible. Unfortunately we don’t have data for day 75-50 or 50-25 on LFP like we do NMC, but the data did show that lowering your top charge: 80%, 60% and 25% all to 0% showed more cycles in that order. The main thing that those all have in common is they spend less time at higher soc. The main reason it’s recommended to charge a LFP car to 100% with frequency is because the voltage curve is much flatter than NMC, so instead of relying purely on voltage, the BMS tracks amps in and amps out, but this will inherently become less accurate over time until the system is recalibrated by charging to 100%.
I had my concerns about getting a Tesla, but I took a chance and got a new Performance Y in march.
LOVE IT. And I never had a range problem or charging problem. And I tow 3000 lbs once a week will no issues locally.
Scotty is a bafoon
You're not going to need to charge it that long every night and that's where the dishonesty comes in. He's not saying oh most people aren't going to use 70% of the battery everyday. Most nights when you come home it will only need to charge for an hour or two.
Has anyone checked the mileage of ICE cars in different conditions? No one seems to mention those stats 🤔
🤔 sounds like you have a point there
I bought my wife a Tesla model Y LR. This morning she hopped in and drove off in less than 30 seconds, looking both ways before pulling out. I guess Teslas are easy to figure out.
I bought a used 2017 Model X in 2020 with 80k miles on it. At 113k miles I replaced the brakes. Surprise, I did it myself. I bought the rotors and pads on Amazon and in pulling off the brakes I realized they were the original brakes on the car. You show me an ICE car that could go that long on 1 set of brakes. 😂
Someone should also tell Scotty, you can take a Tesla into any brake shop and get brakes done without having to find that “special tech.”
Second, anyone should be mindful buying ANY used car from a rental company. Not just an EV. I mean. I would be more nervous to buy an ICE from a rental company over an EV because it’s much harder to abuse an EV motor over an ICE.
16:05 It says DUAL MOTOR on the back, it's not LFP, it's an NMC battery. Also, in this case, he's charging at 32A, the dual motor NMC has 40A capability. The plug could limit the charging to 32A, but that's not Tesla's fault.
Weren't Hertz also getting rid of Teslas due to high repair costs for the body repairs
Charging at home would be perfect for me, no more trips to the petrol station. Commuting during the day, couple of hours charging during the day when the solar panels are maxxed out.
Yeah the insurance thing is truly overblown. Living in the bay area in Cali I pay 148/mo with Tesla Insurance. I got quoted over 220/mo with every other major insurance company.
Model 3 2022
That's funny the insurance industry own data says your full of kaka.
200 for two cars, a Tesla and a rav4
My 2021 Model Y had the CPU fail while under warranty. I lost all cameras, safety features, and applications. I still had the speedometer and gear selector display. What surprised me was that the car continued to run and drive. It was in their shop for two days (during which I got a loaner from the service center). I shudder to think what this will cost if it happens now that the car is out of warranty, but, so far so good.
I’ve had a Tesla for 5 years. Almost all charging is done at home while I sleep. Today I drove from Annapolis to my home in RI. I left with a full charge at 7:30 stopped for breakfast and charged, stopped for a 5 minute bathroom break and charged(you can’t do that when you are pumping gas) then stopped for lunch and charged before arriving home. The charging might have added 10 minutes to my trip as most was done while I was doing my normal stops. My badder range is much less than my battery.
How do you find someone to repair all that ELECTRONICS?
Where?
In the fuel injection and ignition system...
He is a mechanic! You are proving his point. You are talking about the latest and greatest models. You are defending with new models. As a mechanic, people are going to drop off used EV so he can give them the once over before you buy them.
Thank you, Ben, for calling that guy out on his lies. It's infuriating to see anti-EV types manipulate the vulnerable and ignorant with tricks like harping on charging time. We need to get across that EVs require a shift in thinking almost like going from horses to gasoline cars. Talking about a charging EV from the car's perspective is silly because we're not cars; we're not sitting in the garage or driveway for hours. We're sleeping, eating dinner, watching TV etc just as we do with a gasoline car sitting there. What counts is the 10 seconds it takes to plug and unplug
My blood boils every single time I see a on the level of Scottyl. If Scotty blew his nose really hard, he would lose the last two working brain cells he had in his head. He reminds me if the President of the Michigan Savings Bank who told Horace Rackham (early investor in Ford) that, "The horse is here to stay, but the automobile is only a novelty--a fad!" I can hear Scotty uttering those words every time he comes in contact with an EV. The problem with Scotty--he is not about providing information...he is about clicks and $$$ and that is all! You know how you know he is lying? His lips are moving!
Actually you have to feel for the guy, he probably planned to support his retirement with his online help channel and thought that EVs were not going to happen very fast, well in the last ten years the bell curve is quite a lot higher than he expected so he’s now reaching out to Legacy for funding listening to his current posts …
He doesn’t have much to worry about, his daddy and his grandpa owned a business that provided him w a decent home. He ain’t never been poor.
I love when I pull up on my Livewire Del Mar at the Chevron to buy beer and all the parking spots up front have giant oil slicks on the blacktop.
Well he has made his income from the lies- he doesn’t care if you point it out. How can misleading lies be more profitable than truth
Just like the Tesla pumper channels make their money.
I'm surprise that Ben didn't mention service mode on the Tesla. It gives you a ton of information about all the systems on the car and can even perform a battery test. If you have a warning light, it can help you diagnose it.
Service mode gives both the owner and mechanic a lot of info.