I don't buy logic being a benevolent force at all, I really hope they don't break the fear and hunger mold and make logic good. Make logic when online be "only logic, cold calculating logic" how could an individuals consciousness remain when being fused with a machine?
I like how Kaiser fights you for fear that you’ll damage Logic. Bruh, we literally turned the telelectroscopes on when you were too scared to do it yourself.
He isn't afraid of it being damaged. He's afraid of you tampering with HIS project more than was done already. He talks as if he created logic for benevolent reasons, but he only did it out of his own ego and desire for control.
I thought that dieing in the presence of the birthing god was part of the blood ritual? Doesn't nashrah admonish osaa for being too hasty and playing into his hands by killing him?
The party kinda have no idea what's happening, and only move forward because they can't go back. Legarde recognises the allure of delving too deep and wants to stop you from interfering with Logic's birth, but it doesn't matter anyway. Logic isn't really fighting you in the same way Gofah wasn't really fighting you. They're throwing off their chrysalis and lashing out, you're just too close
Interestingly, none of the old gods we’ve seen so far have been… well, rational. Vitruvia weirdness aside, none of them have represented things like science, technology, reason, or dare I say… logic. It makes sense; Gro-goroth even says they’re too “pure” for this world. Concepts so extreme in their totality the presence of their leftover traces can drive you insane. Humanity’s drive for understanding and analytical way of thinking might be truly unique, with Le’Garde stumbling upon what is essentially free real estate for a new old god to be born into.
Old Gods are forces of nature. Pure at that without a human element. All God's that come from humanity are doomed to be New Gods. The question is how powerful and influential are they. All Mer, Sulfur God, Fear & Hunger are strong, but even they cannot compare to the Old Gods. Logic in that sense isn't different. It's era may last longer, but it will ultimately be supplanted by other New Gods, just like All Mer was.
I wanted to add this, as I didn't hear it in the video; I'm 99% positive, the reason Le'Garde started the World Wars was to provide a massive sacrifice in order to help create the Logic God. We see this in F&H 1 with the sea of bodies in the God of the Depths, the body sewer with Nasrah (however you spell his name), the bodies underneath the church, and so on. I would go on with the theories of the symbolism and so on, but others in the comments have already done that
A sacrifice to build the foundation for Artificial Green perhaps so Legarde justified it that those killed would be the first to join together in the Promised Land. A mercy really.
If the world wars are anything like the real ones, it probably also served a purpose in weakening the old world order. WW1 and WW2 were catastrophic to the old industrial empires that dominated the world in the previous age, clearing a path for new superpowers to rise. Such an upheaval would provide a perfect moment for a new god to establish itself, in addition to the mass sacrifice needed to make it happen.
Honestly, I feel like Kaiser is just "LeGhoul" who sat on the throne. He's not a flesh-eating monster, as far as we can tell, but he's not...who he was.
Would "LeGhoul" realize he's not supposed to be humanity's savior, but only a catalyst? That sounds like something only a more SANE Le'garde would ever figure out.
@@acob8cob849 I mean, Francois went from the dominating one to his decrepit self in Mahabre, it's not impossible that centuries of effort being stolen out from under him would make him try to...not cut his losses, but frame it in a way that still satisfies his ego.
I just thought of him as a failed God. SOME vampire/ghoul/monster demi god. He became something more than human, less than a god, but complete failure to his dream.
Honestly, I like the idea of him being risen as a ghoul that regained a semblance of self upon sitting on the throne, potentially making both yellow king and true god of fear and hunger endings together.
The canon contestants being these 4 feels right because I feel like everyone else deserves to escape unharmed, as they have people on the outside they care about
Another possible theory to why Logic needed to be hosted in Prehevil: Rher's "otherworld" are dream worlds, we know that because we reach it for the first time in a dream (and when we fight Rher in ending B it's also in a dream). So since Logic needs the host (Reila) to be in a "constant lucid dreaming state", the Telelectroscopes need to have parts both in the awake world and in Rher's dream world. Anyways, good video 👍
that's a good point. Everything else about Logic is about being in two states simultaneously so having the Festival as a means to bridge waking and dreaming for their physical devices makes a lot of sense
@@MYTHONICS the past wasn't much better, if at all. Just thinking about 'ye olde medicinal practices' i get goosebumps... And, for what it's worth, this hellscape enables you to make and us to enjoy your content😂
I do have one theory. It is a blend of D'arc S ending and the Yellow King ending. Upon rebirth and thanks to the path carved out by the other MCs, D'arc could have guided LeGarde into Mahabre, and from there, he sat on the throne to ascend, with D'arc serving as his second up until her death. That ascension could have restored LeGarde.
@@MYTHONICS I think that it being a combination makes sense, because to get the S endings you need to play the mode where Legarde is always dead, so if we assume Rgnvalder became the hunt god and enki became enlightened, then logically legarde must have died too. The bloodlust of his ghoul form eventually became more controlled, be it just a result of time passing or his ascension, and that could be why we see the new Legarde be so normal in comparison to the description of FH1
another intresting thing about the butler jeaves and logic is that hes a helpful butler who gives you information almost like a search engine on the internet, theres even a old internet browser called "ask jeeves" so he could be a sort of "logic browser" being simulated
Did Le'garde become a pseudo-hegelian? - Rejects the circular notion of history in favor of a spiral of progress. - Created Logic, like Hegel did the Science of Logic. - Logic is a product of overcoming opposite concepts.
If I had a dollar for every cult classic game villain who justified his world view through hegelianism I'd have two, which isn't much but it's weird it's happened twice
Funny how Legarde in pursuing divinity, becomes a harbinger of it instead. Twice no less! Wonder if he will make it three times in the next game, should that happen!
@@MYTHONICS My head cannon as of right now is that in fitting with the themes of modernity that logic brings, Legarde could end up embracing Sulfur worship as a form of total nihilism. "If I can't ascend to godhood ill punish all of humanity instead."
@@thehierophant4005 nah I think Le'Guard has actually had a bit of an ego death, he isn't going to start harming humanity after all he's done. He might just give up, or he might even become an full on asset again like in the first game
I think Logic sorta streamlined humanities souls to the green hue, while essentially cleaning up the remnants of Gods who are no longer there. I don’t remember specifically, but I think with the exception of sulfur most known Gods aren’t legitimately present anymore. Just the green hue. Utilizing that connection and being able to reach that far would probably allow Logic to keep Old God remnant influence out of Humanities new heaven. But I may be theorizing too hard while high at 11:56 at night. Fuck it we ball
Isn't the Green Hue the abode of the ancient gods in the first place? They left Earth to RETURN TO the Green Hue. They didn't leave both Earth and the Green Hue.
I was always under the assumption that Osaa gets attacked by August only so long as he's not the player character and is roaming alone. August, given his Belmont style background, would and *should* be ruthless in trying to put down yellow mages.
There’s also the fact that Os’aa chooses very inconvenient places to mediate, then attacks anyone who tries to enter. Using limb damaging magic. August probably got sick of this, tried reasoning and when that didn’t work just fired off an arrow. If August is related to Rag, then he probably got told “yellow mages bad, attack them from range” at some point as well.
I think I prefer the slightly more hopeful interpretation that while the 'human cage' is just that, sort of a manifest coalesced psyche-cage against the unknowable old gods, it's more to protect us from them than to keep us constrained. One monkey weak, many monkey strong.
Maybe Logic, being a metaphor for the internet as some kind of collective human consciousness, will be able to shield humanity from the influence of the Old Gods by creating a virtual reality outside of the natural world
You forgot one piece of information related to Vinushka and Logic: The ending B of Olivia. Logic has substituted Vinushka the same way GOFA substituted God of the Depths. She never stop feeling the presence of her sister and also was cared by the nature. Now Logic, now her twin sister.
This is most likely the case, because Reila's chest in a certain picture shows a cube with vinushka symbols all over it but with a line across it, similarly to tgofah's symbol having the god of the depht's R in it
The irony is that lgarde did being a new age but not through himself but his very own daughter yet he cannot accept that he isn't the one to breing people to a new age until the mashine god
It's not clear to me that he is even aware that the Girl is his daughter. You're right though, his ego probably wouldn't be content with that secondary role. He wants godhood for himself
This all seems correct on a memetic level. How can you believe in gods if you cannot believe in the paradoxical and the impossible? At the same time, Logic is a prison. A world without old gods and only logic is a world predetermined and without purpose or meaning, and there would be just as much horror but justified for 'the greater good'.
Bloodthirsty doesnt always have to mean someone that is "thirsty for blood" in the way that a vampire is. It could mean someone that seeks out bloodshed, such as a warmonger... which Le'Garde and the Yellow King absolutely are.
1:03:31 The theory that my friends and I came up with when talking was that Logic acts as a sort of firewall. The disruption is clear and the symbolism of the man made barrier or monolith at the end (t-posing) represented that the will of human souls are preventing the gods from their influence.
I wonder if in the same way the fellowship conquered Ma'Habre the four who activated logic mirror those characters, with Kaiser/Le'Garde being the forgotten one
the void seems to be the surface of the moon, in termina the moonscorched suffer effects similar to radiation poisoning, its possible that legarde is moonscorched and thats why hes missing his skin rather than it being from darces s ending
23:56 If the phrase "jumped the shark" is used in 1942, it is logical to assume some version of Happy Days existed early in funger. 1930s Funger Fonzie confirmed
Great video as always! The Machine God ascending with the corpse of Rher is my new head cannon for this ending (how Rher dies idk maybe to prevent and actual human driven ascension from happening) - it makes sense that the festival ends because of the merge. Some notes I was thinking about while watching: -Both bend reality and dreams to some extent. -In phase two of the machine god fight the background looks really similar to the alter in the church rher dimension where you find samarie. (the same wood and purple clay textures) -The "artificial green hue" could also be Rher's moonlight repurposed. -The ending screen of ending A of the human bodies making a cage looks to me like a sphere which could draw inspiration from the moon form of Rher (it's a super mega stretch and it could just be the perspective on how the image was drawn tbh but it's what I thought of) Also I found out that "perkele" when translated from Finnish to English means devil (fitting) so that's more food for thought.
I find it hard, because logic has a destruction and creation hand, both representing vinushka, a god made from opposing gods (destruction and life) Also having the god of nature being overtaken and used to make the machine god is extremely fitting
Logic is similar to a certain character in Bibliomania and the Vermis god named Dorvus weirdly enough I had the same Idea when I was quite young, I wanted to know and remember everything, kind of like a library of reality or universe. good people left to be remembered and not forgotten, horrible people to be forever spited. History without deception
I love your long form content. It's doesn't "overstay it's welcome" and is well edited along with the voice acting. It's a shame the podcast kinda died out. You were all excellent content creators, in your own way. Looking forward to whatever you have coming next.
@@MYTHONICS oh I’m just surprised by the quality of the voice acting. Well done to them all, it was the intro screen mentioning ai that I figured you might take a shortcut here or there with the voice work as well, and to hear that you didn’t is even more impressive. Plus some of them sound like legit voice actors that are in paid AI sound banks 😅
55:02 Why those four? Easy. Olivia is the best sister ever, abella and karin are absolutely gay for each other (I refuse to debate), and O’sah is awesome
So here’s this little timeline I made for the first game all in sort of a “string like manner conspiracy theory”. It’s Ragnvaldr that entered first killing Le’Garde first leaving with Moonless supposedly. Enki most likely entered second but here’s where the order gets tricky because of order of either D’arce or Enki would have to go in. I’m going to say Enki for this time because of my own convenience and became a Diet New God with the Soul Anchor reading through the ancient text and recording it down for humanity to advance into a new age. D’arce upon finding her beloved Le’Garde dead goes to find a book on resurrection (Sylvian and Grogoroth combined realms of magic to create this spell). However, she is now the anchor for whatever she had brought back. For it most certainly wasn’t human. Finally Cahara went in running a little late. But upon hearing the muffled tears of the Girl who would become Fear and Hunger he set out to free her and keep her safe while on his mission to save Le’Garde. As soon as they get there, he’s met with a vision to go deeper with the promise of more if he gets the Girl to FaH ending. Upon the travels, he picks up little knickknacks showing her kindness by giving her a knife and a doll, sharing meals, opium. Point being this was the only kindness she has ever received in her life and she recognizes that he’s trapped down here with her so she creates a dream scenario of treasure hunting for his family well within the dungeon. Because that’s all she’s ever known was life inside the deep dark dungeon.
Cahara's S ending being a dream sequence is actually genius, especially considering that even in his ending, his mind is still captive by the darkness of the dungeons, maybe the GoFaH couldn't fully placate his mind.
Your storytelling is insane!!! I've never played the game, and have no intention to, but I love the lore and just can't stop watching, I'm entranced really!
You ever think that Rher *is the green hue?* I mean Rher is literally associated with his burning green light. It might imply that Rher was an older god than Gro-Goroth and Sylvian. This also implies that this green hue represents a sort of divine truth, which the gods existed in and humans can only glimpse at. This also might explain why the green that you see in the first game upon sitting the throne looks like a moon covered in aliens - it might literally be the surface of the moon Rher. This also explains why Prehevil and Termina are important for Logic's birth - it was aides by the presence of the true green hue associated with the Termina festival. Maybe that was the model being replicated, or it helps power the artificial green hue. I also think the green hue exposing a world of wood sweatshops and war underneath the glorious European city isn't an accident either. That's more of meta-analysis though. I especially do like that for Logic's true form - a glorious hellenistic facade to a much uglier machine made and powered through something much less pretty. There's a lot of historical allegory here.
It feels like it's more than that though. In her second phase, you can see symbolism referring to many other gods: you have the hands of creation and destruction, which would usually be domains of Sylvian and Gro'goroth, as well as the "rays" jutting out of her head, alluding to sun symbolism (the sun god). I feel like Logic is supplanting the other gods without needing their traces. It could very well be that she "absorbed" Rher, but I feel it's different to what happened with Alll-mer and GoFaH. Logic less so lent the Gods' power than to usurp them.
@@TheBeyspielerShe also has a two-faced appearance with mismatched eyes and a curved section of skin peeled away similar to how Rher is depicted in his skin bible entry.
My interpretation of the Darce S- Ending C thing is that both happened - after being rebirthed, Le'garde went to the golden throne to ascend. Then overcame the bloodlust as he reflected in the Void.
57:10 this is interesting, considering that Rher is not real, it’s his traces, and that Per’kele is actually serving the sulfur god. It truly may be Logic constructing the realms, how people would actually see them.
Another fine entry into the F&H lore videos. I have yet to make time to play the games, but I find the lore enthralling and will await another! I do find it interesting where people take their speculation after laying out the available information. Time for me to speculate wildly with my very limited view. Everyone rides off Rheh though he may be mere traces. The Traces of the Old Gods are shown to be cognizant of their surrounding and I find it unlikely that even after Rher has left this word that the traces left of the jealous trickster god would allow humans to grasp for greater power. It seems like this festival is the last opportunity to stop them, and he might just might be the one co-opting the Sulfur cultists to run rampant and cause an upheaval of the situation. One whose light shows truths and false truths would be right to shine on the gods of Logic and Sulfur. I also find it weird that people view the New God in their hall as diminished. They admit that their hubris has allowed them to fall for the trap of their ascension and that they allow fresh member to reign as kings while they too discover the limits of their power, but is that is all left of their fate? Tables of the strongest, most brilliant, most cunning, and most ambitious people in history reside to sit at long tables await the next to join their numbers? Simple saying the phrase “Finally” gives me the impression of a long laid plan that has borne fruit. What if the future for humans now with the emergence of Logic? It could be anything but actually suspect it to be not as different as some might expect. Would it be so hard to image a near future where people are utterly surrounded by the wonders of technology, but feel bound and crushed by it? I don’t remember anyone saying that Fear & Hunger has been defeated as well. As always I can’t wait to hear your voice bring me more tales of horror and suspense in fiction!
23:00 probably Kaiser has been around in secret plotting since he turns that. And new gods' were helping if we follow heartless and perkele saying they are warmongers and still plotting
I love your channel, and the lore breakdowns, I just came here to say it is ABSOLUTELY DIABOLICAL that on the Wiki for Reila at the very bottom it says "After arriving at the White Bunker and realizing he had been *beaten to ascension again,* the Kaiser finally abandons his ego" and "beaten to ascension again" is a link that takes you to the God of Fear and Hunger. Le Garde can't catch a break man 😭
What I’ve considered to be what happened is legaurd is killed making the darce s ending canon, legaurd still had ambitions to ascend but because he was a ghoul he couldn’t anymore, after that everything goes as said until he finds out or progresses logic to be made and in a attempt to ascend again he goes to the city. I prefer it that way at least because it makes legaurds story about how his attempts to ascend are just opportunities for others to take his place.
I wonder what the sequel to termina will be? Will it be a prequel to the times of al-mer, or will it be in a dystopian future where logic rules with the corruption of sulfur.
The way the future of this world is being set up, it's truly very difficult to imagine what the next game will even look like. I feel as if the way that the history of world parallels our own will probably end, and the next game will be something way crazier then just a modern setting. I wouldnt be surprised if there was a shift in major gameplay mechanics as well.
Dunno where I heard it, but Miro said that the next game will be very different. I think it was described as "you're either gonna love it or hate it". Definitely seems like there's gonna be a massive shift
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I don't buy logic being a benevolent force at all, I really hope they don't break the fear and hunger mold and make logic good. Make logic when online be "only logic, cold calculating logic" how could an individuals consciousness remain when being fused with a machine?
@@MeltMasterFresh oh yeah there's absolutely no shot Logic ends up being 100% good. At best she'll be similar to Gofah, a kind of devil's bargain
I like how Kaiser fights you for fear that you’ll damage Logic. Bruh, we literally turned the telelectroscopes on when you were too scared to do it yourself.
He just prevents you from canceling windows update.
@@monsterboomer8051 i knew one day id pay for my hubris in constantly ghosting windows updates! ask me later....but later never comes
He isn't afraid of it being damaged. He's afraid of you tampering with HIS project more than was done already. He talks as if he created logic for benevolent reasons, but he only did it out of his own ego and desire for control.
Kaiser: “I can’t let you hurt her!”
Me: “Who? I don’t even know where we are! I just walked in by accident.”
I thought that dieing in the presence of the birthing god was part of the blood ritual? Doesn't nashrah admonish osaa for being too hasty and playing into his hands by killing him?
I really hope logics symbol is just the WiFi icon
And the only way to use Logic-aligned spells is to have 5G internet
The Bluetooth Harald rune would be cool too, and more alike the other gods' symbols
It's not. It's the opposite of Funger's symbol . With the 2 Rs
Your pfp makes this so much better
@@redbepis4600possibly the Bluetooth Harold rune symbol
Kaiser: "I have an idea."
The rest of the setting: "Oh god."
Kaiser: "Exactly."
The party kinda have no idea what's happening, and only move forward because they can't go back. Legarde recognises the allure of delving too deep and wants to stop you from interfering with Logic's birth, but it doesn't matter anyway. Logic isn't really fighting you in the same way Gofah wasn't really fighting you. They're throwing off their chrysalis and lashing out, you're just too close
"Woah, did you guys have the same idea? How'd you know what I was gonna say?"
Interestingly, none of the old gods we’ve seen so far have been… well, rational. Vitruvia weirdness aside, none of them have represented things like science, technology, reason, or dare I say… logic. It makes sense; Gro-goroth even says they’re too “pure” for this world. Concepts so extreme in their totality the presence of their leftover traces can drive you insane.
Humanity’s drive for understanding and analytical way of thinking might be truly unique, with Le’Garde stumbling upon what is essentially free real estate for a new old god to be born into.
Grogoroth is the closest, as he's a "curious" god, but yeah none of them are really human at all
Just for his ascencionto be snached away by a little girl
Old Gods are forces of nature. Pure at that without a human element. All God's that come from humanity are doomed to be New Gods. The question is how powerful and influential are they. All Mer, Sulfur God, Fear & Hunger are strong, but even they cannot compare to the Old Gods. Logic in that sense isn't different. It's era may last longer, but it will ultimately be supplanted by other New Gods, just like All Mer was.
@agamemnonofmycenae5258 while I agree with you I'd also say that the god of fear and hunger is above the new gods as she actually ascended.
@@youngbloodbanana3376 power is not solely physical in nature, physical strength is just one form.
Since the term “jump the shark” was used in a newspaper, it makes the existence of happy days canon in the world of Fear and hunger
Logic's first act was to make Happy Days in 1942.
The Fonz is the name of an all but forgotten new god, who’s account was recorded in the Book of Happy Days by Enki Ankarian
The Fonze is such an ideal human that Logic ripped him from another universe just to be able to make references
@@desadograisedrobot515 “in the beginning there was nothing. Then, there was Happy Days (1942)”
I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed this haha
I wanted to add this, as I didn't hear it in the video; I'm 99% positive, the reason Le'Garde started the World Wars was to provide a massive sacrifice in order to help create the Logic God. We see this in F&H 1 with the sea of bodies in the God of the Depths, the body sewer with Nasrah (however you spell his name), the bodies underneath the church, and so on. I would go on with the theories of the symbolism and so on, but others in the comments have already done that
A sacrifice to build the foundation for Artificial Green perhaps so Legarde justified it that those killed would be the first to join together in the Promised Land. A mercy really.
If the world wars are anything like the real ones, it probably also served a purpose in weakening the old world order. WW1 and WW2 were catastrophic to the old industrial empires that dominated the world in the previous age, clearing a path for new superpowers to rise. Such an upheaval would provide a perfect moment for a new god to establish itself, in addition to the mass sacrifice needed to make it happen.
Honestly, I feel like Kaiser is just "LeGhoul" who sat on the throne. He's not a flesh-eating monster, as far as we can tell, but he's not...who he was.
Would "LeGhoul" realize he's not supposed to be humanity's savior, but only a catalyst?
That sounds like something only a more SANE Le'garde would ever figure out.
@@acob8cob849 I mean, Francois went from the dominating one to his decrepit self in Mahabre, it's not impossible that centuries of effort being stolen out from under him would make him try to...not cut his losses, but frame it in a way that still satisfies his ego.
@@acob8cob849he just need snickers😂
I just thought of him as a failed God. SOME vampire/ghoul/monster demi god. He became something more than human, less than a god, but complete failure to his dream.
Honestly, I like the idea of him being risen as a ghoul that regained a semblance of self upon sitting on the throne, potentially making both yellow king and true god of fear and hunger endings together.
The canon contestants being these 4 feels right because I feel like everyone else deserves to escape unharmed, as they have people on the outside they care about
Caligura especially
@@MYTHONICS If Caligura dies, he cannot ascend and become the god of Balls and Choking. He must survive Termina
Imma laugh if Caligura has a backstory of being a hidden hero who has to do evil to save people by some God mechanic
@@BlakeTheBlokerCaligura can catch a bullet through his head after boarding the train.
“people on the outside they care about”
Daan… Levi… poor boys.
Poor Le’Garde, always the bridesmaid never the bride
He gave up his daughter for his plan also lied to out MC in part1. F that guy/thing
I'd make him my bride if you know what I mean
@@malhare6501 GET OUT!!
I love the two replies to your comment could be simplified to:
"Fuck L'eGarde!"
"(Let's) Fuck Le'Garde!"
@@CrimsonRayne I don't think he ever knew he had a daugther.
Another possible theory to why Logic needed to be hosted in Prehevil: Rher's "otherworld" are dream worlds, we know that because we reach it for the first time in a dream (and when we fight Rher in ending B it's also in a dream).
So since Logic needs the host (Reila) to be in a "constant lucid dreaming state", the Telelectroscopes need to have parts both in the awake world and in Rher's dream world.
Anyways, good video 👍
that's a good point. Everything else about Logic is about being in two states simultaneously so having the Festival as a means to bridge waking and dreaming for their physical devices makes a lot of sense
The next fear & hunger will be a cybernetic hell scape
just like irl
@@MYTHONICSFear and Hunger - but with rule 34. 😟
Or based on the Y2K fear and phenomenon. That would be dope
@@MYTHONICS the past wasn't much better, if at all.
Just thinking about 'ye olde medicinal practices' i get goosebumps...
And, for what it's worth, this hellscape enables you to make and us to enjoy your content😂
Like Shadowrun except much more nightmarish
I do have one theory. It is a blend of D'arc S ending and the Yellow King ending. Upon rebirth and thanks to the path carved out by the other MCs, D'arc could have guided LeGarde into Mahabre, and from there, he sat on the throne to ascend, with D'arc serving as his second up until her death. That ascension could have restored LeGarde.
honestly I wouldn't be surprised if that ends up being canon. Maybe we'll find out in the update?
I wonder if D'arce becomes the heartless one. The armor looks passibly similar to her new god armor
@CdogofNod1 If Turkey is canon on Fear and Hunger then she could have gone for a quick hair transplant to become the heartless one
It could most likely be the tainted one, since the heartless one is related to a betatester of funger 2@@CdogofNod1
@@MYTHONICS I think that it being a combination makes sense, because to get the S endings you need to play the mode where Legarde is always dead, so if we assume Rgnvalder became the hunt god and enki became enlightened, then logically legarde must have died too. The bloodlust of his ghoul form eventually became more controlled, be it just a result of time passing or his ascension, and that could be why we see the new Legarde be so normal in comparison to the description of FH1
another intresting thing about the butler jeaves and logic is that hes a helpful butler who gives you information almost like a search engine on the internet, theres even a old internet browser called "ask jeeves" so he could be a sort of "logic browser" being simulated
Very interesting
lmao that's hilarious, I didn't pick up that connection
it was not a web browser. it is just a search engine and it still exists
@@cameronmclean3216 those both mean the same thing but yeah point is one of the first search engines was called ask Jeeves themed around a butler
@@weirdocatguy2167 no, those are two completely different things
Did Le'garde become a pseudo-hegelian?
- Rejects the circular notion of history in favor of a spiral of progress.
- Created Logic, like Hegel did the Science of Logic.
- Logic is a product of overcoming opposite concepts.
If I had a dollar for every cult classic game villain who justified his world view through hegelianism I'd have two, which isn't much but it's weird it's happened twice
. . . Does that make logic Mr.house
@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus 100%
This just reminded me of Caesar from Fallout New Vegas, where he justifies his actions and his war with the NCR because of "Hegelian Dialectics".
Funny how Legarde in pursuing divinity, becomes a harbinger of it instead. Twice no less! Wonder if he will make it three times in the next game, should that happen!
He feels pretty done by the end of Termina, but who knows? He doesn't give up easy
@@MYTHONICS I think the fact that he didn't die means that he will play a part in the next game
@@MYTHONICS My head cannon as of right now is that in fitting with the themes of modernity that logic brings, Legarde could end up embracing Sulfur worship as a form of total nihilism. "If I can't ascend to godhood ill punish all of humanity instead."
@@thehierophant4005 nah I think Le'Guard has actually had a bit of an ego death, he isn't going to start harming humanity after all he's done. He might just give up, or he might even become an full on asset again like in the first game
@@MYTHONICSLegarde never hears no effing bell.
I think Logic sorta streamlined humanities souls to the green hue, while essentially cleaning up the remnants of Gods who are no longer there. I don’t remember specifically, but I think with the exception of sulfur most known Gods aren’t legitimately present anymore. Just the green hue. Utilizing that connection and being able to reach that far would probably allow Logic to keep Old God remnant influence out of Humanities new heaven. But I may be theorizing too hard while high at 11:56 at night. Fuck it we ball
Logic is actually just defragging reality? That's an awesome theory, I actually love it
that's a good thought there, wizard
Isn't the Green Hue the abode of the ancient gods in the first place? They left Earth to RETURN TO the Green Hue. They didn't leave both Earth and the Green Hue.
I was always under the assumption that Osaa gets attacked by August only so long as he's not the player character and is roaming alone. August, given his Belmont style background, would and *should* be ruthless in trying to put down yellow mages.
There’s also the fact that Os’aa chooses very inconvenient places to mediate, then attacks anyone who tries to enter. Using limb damaging magic.
August probably got sick of this, tried reasoning and when that didn’t work just fired off an arrow. If August is related to Rag, then he probably got told “yellow mages bad, attack them from range” at some point as well.
O’saa likely punts Nash’rah right outside of Logic continuing Nash’rah’s legacy as the enternal loser.
it made me laugh out loud when he does that in his B
@@MYTHONICS
Nas’hrah: “KEKEKE! THIS SHOULD BE FU-“ **Gets punted like a soccer ball out of the monolith by O’saa**
“… Well sh-“
(Insert end credits)
I think I prefer the slightly more hopeful interpretation that while the 'human cage' is just that, sort of a manifest coalesced psyche-cage against the unknowable old gods, it's more to protect us from them than to keep us constrained. One monkey weak, many monkey strong.
one monkey weak...many monkey strong....monkeeehh🐒
Dude the addition of voice actors reading the notes was such a great touch, they did a really good job!
praise the omnissiah!
"Without a Standard Model, there is naught but madness and Chaos among the stars." - Aetheric Manuscripts Appendix 71
The Irational Obelisk is Miro's nightmare. He is scared of white shirts and black buttons. I think you talked about that in the podcast Mau.
Maybe Logic, being a metaphor for the internet as some kind of collective human consciousness, will be able to shield humanity from the influence of the Old Gods by creating a virtual reality outside of the natural world
You forgot one piece of information related to Vinushka and Logic: The ending B of Olivia.
Logic has substituted Vinushka the same way GOFA substituted God of the Depths. She never stop feeling the presence of her sister and also was cared by the nature. Now Logic, now her twin sister.
This is most likely the case, because Reila's chest in a certain picture shows a cube with vinushka symbols all over it but with a line across it, similarly to tgofah's symbol having the god of the depht's R in it
The irony is that lgarde did being a new age but not through himself but his very own daughter yet he cannot accept that he isn't the one to breing people to a new age until the mashine god
It's not clear to me that he is even aware that the Girl is his daughter. You're right though, his ego probably wouldn't be content with that secondary role. He wants godhood for himself
This all seems correct on a memetic level. How can you believe in gods if you cannot believe in the paradoxical and the impossible? At the same time, Logic is a prison. A world without old gods and only logic is a world predetermined and without purpose or meaning, and there would be just as much horror but justified for 'the greater good'.
Damn, I didn't even think of it like that. I wonder what FAH3 will have for us.
... that doesnt sound very logic. It sounds like madness.
But maybe thats just 'your own' enslaved logic?
Better than a scheming war mongering deity posing as allmer to spread his violence and death.
This is fantastic!!! The use of VA really helps sell this, makes it almost feel like a fictional documentary of sorts.
Thanks! Fear & Hunger is entirely real though, this actually happened
@@MYTHONICS Oh my God, we've been blind to the truth this whole time ......
I just want to point out the fact that the world of Fear and Hunger has it's own "Fonzie" Fonzarelli and he jumped over a shark on water skis.
Thank you for letting me be the thumbnail for this fantastic video!! I’m honored🗣️
the irrational obelisk is just a reference to the creators own irrational fear of button up shirts
19:30 well... Legarde as Kaiser was not "bloodthirsty ghoul" but in both scenarios he is a pretty cruel person
Bloodthirsty doesnt always have to mean someone that is "thirsty for blood" in the way that a vampire is. It could mean someone that seeks out bloodshed, such as a warmonger... which Le'Garde and the Yellow King absolutely are.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
This video was really well put together, i havent seen many long form F&H lore vids like this. Props to all the VAs aswell!
1:03:31
The theory that my friends and I came up with when talking was that Logic acts as a sort of firewall. The disruption is clear and the symbolism of the man made barrier or monolith at the end (t-posing) represented that the will of human souls are preventing the gods from their influence.
I wonder if in the same way the fellowship conquered Ma'Habre the four who activated logic mirror those characters, with Kaiser/Le'Garde being the forgotten one
Please keep making these long lore videos . We are willing to wait for quality
Will do!
Le'Gard is like Emperor from warhammer.
He is big, yellow, and tries his best to make mankind happy, but everything goes as it goes.
the void seems to be the surface of the moon, in termina the moonscorched suffer effects similar to radiation poisoning, its possible that legarde is moonscorched and thats why hes missing his skin rather than it being from darces s ending
New mauthe video?? Blessed
Way
23:56 If the phrase "jumped the shark" is used in 1942, it is logical to assume some version of Happy Days existed early in funger. 1930s Funger Fonzie confirmed
You went all out on this! GREAT WORK!
Great video as always! The Machine God ascending with the corpse of Rher is my new head cannon for this ending (how Rher dies idk maybe to prevent and actual human driven ascension from happening) - it makes sense that the festival ends because of the merge.
Some notes I was thinking about while watching:
-Both bend reality and dreams to some extent.
-In phase two of the machine god fight the background looks really similar to the alter in the church rher dimension where you find samarie. (the same wood and purple clay textures)
-The "artificial green hue" could also be Rher's moonlight repurposed.
-The ending screen of ending A of the human bodies making a cage looks to me like a sphere which could draw inspiration from the moon form of Rher (it's a super mega stretch and it could just be the perspective on how the image was drawn tbh but it's what I thought of)
Also I found out that "perkele" when translated from Finnish to English means devil (fitting) so that's more food for thought.
I find it hard, because logic has a destruction and creation hand, both representing vinushka, a god made from opposing gods (destruction and life)
Also having the god of nature being overtaken and used to make the machine god is extremely fitting
logic always puzzles me so i hope this video clears everything up
Logic is similar to a certain character in Bibliomania and the Vermis god named Dorvus
weirdly enough I had the same Idea when I was quite young, I wanted to know and remember everything, kind of like a library of reality or universe. good people left to be remembered and not forgotten, horrible people to be forever spited. History without deception
@@SebastiansSebastian-fc4pj Bibliomania, you have good taste 👍
YEEEEEAHHHH! NEW MAUTHE DOOG VIDEO!
EDIT: OMG THE VOICE ACTING WAS SUCH AN AWESOME ADDITION
THATS how you say your name ??? i was saying something like " moth dog " this entire time im so sorry 😭
I did too at first lmao
I love your long form content. It's doesn't "overstay it's welcome" and is well edited along with the voice acting.
It's a shame the podcast kinda died out. You were all excellent content creators, in your own way.
Looking forward to whatever you have coming next.
the green hue, the heartless one, and "the promised land" all make me think of Miro stating that ffvii is an inspiration for F&H3
Reila = Ry'leh. I can't believe I only just now got that. Abella = cerebella.
Holy shit, this is such a great video. You actually did great with Voice acting hiring and everything.
Even if it was some ai voice. This was top tier
They were all real people! Unless my friends are secretly robots...
@@MYTHONICS oh I’m just surprised by the quality of the voice acting. Well done to them all, it was the intro screen mentioning ai that I figured you might take a shortcut here or there with the voice work as well, and to hear that you didn’t is even more impressive.
Plus some of them sound like legit voice actors that are in paid AI sound banks 😅
@@rvre Ohhh, is that why some people thought I used AI in this video. That was a joke about Logic, whoops!
@@MYTHONICSnah, your friends *definitely* aren't robots. (F&H 3 reference)
@@MYTHONICS hahahh ohhhh that makes sense then
😂
these lore videos have been great, thank you for putting them together
I dont think i understand why we had to fight both lagarde and logic at the end of the game despite being on their side?
He wanted the project to himself, evil like that
this video is amazing. The voices, the analysis, the fact you tell us the story before the theories, everything is perfect ! Very good job
An absolute masterpiece of a video!
55:02 Why those four? Easy. Olivia is the best sister ever, abella and karin are absolutely gay for each other (I refuse to debate), and O’sah is awesome
Laughed so hard at the "it all comes back to Sulfur" I felt it coming but the slight edits damn near killed me laughing.
100% like this interpretation
So here’s this little timeline I made for the first game all in sort of a “string like manner conspiracy theory”.
It’s Ragnvaldr that entered first killing Le’Garde first leaving with Moonless supposedly. Enki most likely entered second but here’s where the order gets tricky because of order of either D’arce or Enki would have to go in. I’m going to say Enki for this time because of my own convenience and became a Diet New God with the Soul Anchor reading through the ancient text and recording it down for humanity to advance into a new age. D’arce upon finding her beloved Le’Garde dead goes to find a book on resurrection (Sylvian and Grogoroth combined realms of magic to create this spell). However, she is now the anchor for whatever she had brought back. For it most certainly wasn’t human. Finally Cahara went in running a little late. But upon hearing the muffled tears of the Girl who would become Fear and Hunger he set out to free her and keep her safe while on his mission to save Le’Garde. As soon as they get there, he’s met with a vision to go deeper with the promise of more if he gets the Girl to FaH ending. Upon the travels, he picks up little knickknacks showing her kindness by giving her a knife and a doll, sharing meals, opium. Point being this was the only kindness she has ever received in her life and she recognizes that he’s trapped down here with her so she creates a dream scenario of treasure hunting for his family well within the dungeon. Because that’s all she’s ever known was life inside the deep dark dungeon.
Cahara's S ending being a dream sequence is actually genius, especially considering that even in his ending, his mind is still captive by the darkness of the dungeons, maybe the GoFaH couldn't fully placate his mind.
I absolutely love listening to you. Your style, your theories, your voice, keep up the great work!
Your storytelling is insane!!! I've never played the game, and have no intention to, but I love the lore and just can't stop watching, I'm entranced really!
Literally screamed “oh that makes SO MUCH SENSE!” When you mentioned the reason August shot Oss’a was probably that he confused his yellow clothes.
You ever think that Rher *is the green hue?* I mean Rher is literally associated with his burning green light. It might imply that Rher was an older god than Gro-Goroth and Sylvian. This also implies that this green hue represents a sort of divine truth, which the gods existed in and humans can only glimpse at. This also might explain why the green that you see in the first game upon sitting the throne looks like a moon covered in aliens - it might literally be the surface of the moon Rher. This also explains why Prehevil and Termina are important for Logic's birth - it was aides by the presence of the true green hue associated with the Termina festival. Maybe that was the model being replicated, or it helps power the artificial green hue.
I also think the green hue exposing a world of wood sweatshops and war underneath the glorious European city isn't an accident either. That's more of meta-analysis though. I especially do like that for Logic's true form - a glorious hellenistic facade to a much uglier machine made and powered through something much less pretty. There's a lot of historical allegory here.
Rehr has become Logic, you can't change my mind
I buy it.
@@cactus4502 Me too
more like his traces were absorbed to allow logic to ascend like how GOF&G absorbed the god of the depths energy to ascend
It feels like it's more than that though. In her second phase, you can see symbolism referring to many other gods: you have the hands of creation and destruction, which would usually be domains of Sylvian and Gro'goroth, as well as the "rays" jutting out of her head, alluding to sun symbolism (the sun god). I feel like Logic is supplanting the other gods without needing their traces. It could very well be that she "absorbed" Rher, but I feel it's different to what happened with Alll-mer and GoFaH. Logic less so lent the Gods' power than to usurp them.
@@TheBeyspielerShe also has a two-faced appearance with mismatched eyes and a curved section of skin peeled away similar to how Rher is depicted in his skin bible entry.
I'm not finished with the video yet but the production value on this is great, well done MD and all the VA's involved
thank you very much!
What a crazy realization! LeGarde has been there to influence logic for centuries
Ayo Azathoth wake up, new Mauthe video on the horizon.
Dude are you mad! if he wakes up we're done for!!
Half if not all of Lovecraft's pantheon keep singing lullabys so the Cosmic Moron keeps sleeping, and now here you are. I'd watch for
My interpretation of the Darce S- Ending C thing is that both happened - after being rebirthed, Le'garde went to the golden throne to ascend. Then overcame the bloodlust as he reflected in the Void.
Thank you for making these analysis videos. They are so well thought out and wonderful to watch
Thank you very much!
57:10 this is interesting, considering that Rher is not real, it’s his traces, and that Per’kele is actually serving the sulfur god. It truly may be Logic constructing the realms, how people would actually see them.
I'm so excited, happy and terrified for what AMAZING videos you might provide for us all...
This is truly an wonderful experience.
Another fine entry into the F&H lore videos. I have yet to make time to play the games, but I find the lore enthralling and will await another!
I do find it interesting where people take their speculation after laying out the available information. Time for me to speculate wildly with my very limited view.
Everyone rides off Rheh though he may be mere traces. The Traces of the Old Gods are shown to be cognizant of their surrounding and I find it unlikely that even after Rher has left this word that the traces left of the jealous trickster god would allow humans to grasp for greater power. It seems like this festival is the last opportunity to stop them, and he might just might be the one co-opting the Sulfur cultists to run rampant and cause an upheaval of the situation. One whose light shows truths and false truths would be right to shine on the gods of Logic and Sulfur.
I also find it weird that people view the New God in their hall as diminished. They admit that their hubris has allowed them to fall for the trap of their ascension and that they allow fresh member to reign as kings while they too discover the limits of their power, but is that is all left of their fate? Tables of the strongest, most brilliant, most cunning, and most ambitious people in history reside to sit at long tables await the next to join their numbers? Simple saying the phrase “Finally” gives me the impression of a long laid plan that has borne fruit.
What if the future for humans now with the emergence of Logic? It could be anything but actually suspect it to be not as different as some might expect. Would it be so hard to image a near future where people are utterly surrounded by the wonders of technology, but feel bound and crushed by it? I don’t remember anyone saying that Fear & Hunger has been defeated as well.
As always I can’t wait to hear your voice bring me more tales of horror and suspense in fiction!
Already loving the video, good VAs. Nice work, Mauthe!
23:00 probably Kaiser has been around in secret plotting since he turns that. And new gods' were helping if we follow heartless and perkele saying they are warmongers and still plotting
Love the production value of your work and this one has more than any-other before. Keep it up Chief, yah make the working day more tolerable.
always love coming back to your vids, fantastic job
Dude the line “Forces it through cold hard logic” rocks
I liked that one too
amazing videos, whenever i resume my playthrough of termina, it will be amazing because of you
If logic absorbed Rher's power like the girl absorbed the god of the depths' then one of her symbols would be cats.
if Miro truly wanted to be controversial he'd add a catgirl god
thank you for this video, its always a pleasure watching your lore videos
thank you very much!
Not enough good vids on the machine god. Thank you for the content my liege
Excellent video my dude.
what an awesome video, the edit, the clip and the explanation, keep it up
Ahhh...a strange return to form for Mauthe Doog. Welcome back to F&H brother.
Mauthe this is superb. Thank you and all the team, this is a Masterpiece 🎉❤
Love your lore videos, they scratch a very specific Fear and Hunger special interest itch in my brain
I love your channel, and the lore breakdowns, I just came here to say it is ABSOLUTELY DIABOLICAL that on the Wiki for Reila at the very bottom it says "After arriving at the White Bunker and realizing he had been *beaten to ascension again,* the Kaiser finally abandons his ego" and "beaten to ascension again" is a link that takes you to the God of Fear and Hunger.
Le Garde can't catch a break man 😭
What I’ve considered to be what happened is legaurd is killed making the darce s ending canon, legaurd still had ambitions to ascend but because he was a ghoul he couldn’t anymore, after that everything goes as said until he finds out or progresses logic to be made and in a attempt to ascend again he goes to the city. I prefer it that way at least because it makes legaurds story about how his attempts to ascend are just opportunities for others to take his place.
I wonder what the sequel to termina will be? Will it be a prequel to the times of al-mer, or will it be in a dystopian future where logic rules with the corruption of sulfur.
Cant wait to see what this video has in store!
It’s crazy the depth, creativity, and presentation that this world has for a single-dev rpg maker game
Felt like watching a well written and presented story. Miro is genius
He's something else for sure, these games are pretty amazing
@@MYTHONICS he's just built different
Putting on the theme of the original Fear & Hunger when you started talking about Le'garde send chills down my spine
I love the va, i really want to get into voice acting because theres so much life and emotion you can bring to writing
She made me realize the weakness in my flesh. Its still digusts me to this day. Praise be to the omnisiah! Long live mars!
That was fantastic. God i can't wait for the termina update now even more 🤩
The music in this ending gives me goosebumps, it’s the first ending I got and I was so happy about it
Great video!
The way the future of this world is being set up, it's truly very difficult to imagine what the next game will even look like.
I feel as if the way that the history of world parallels our own will probably end, and the next game will be something way crazier then just a modern setting.
I wouldnt be surprised if there was a shift in major gameplay mechanics as well.
I imagine F&H3 will be very different than 1 and 2
Dunno where I heard it, but Miro said that the next game will be very different. I think it was described as "you're either gonna love it or hate it".
Definitely seems like there's gonna be a massive shift
One thing's for sure: there'll be a lot of phallic imagery
Awesome video brother. Thank you.
I never noticed the link between logic and the pile of clothes. Amazing work!
Another wonderful video! Can't wait for the next game, or more things like Vermis, for more awesome dramatic lore dives like this.
Amazing so do you think le Guard is from yellow king ending or s ending
Yellow King, if i had to pick