Explaining Ending C - The Lore of Sulfur
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
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Timestamps
0:00 Introduction
3:41 The Cult of Sulfur
10:54 The Sulfur God
17:46 Sulfur in the Real World
22:42 Sulfuric Corruption
25:59 Western Alll-Mer
34:01 The King of Mahabre
41:13 Mastermind of Ascension
48:21 Vitruvia
49:58 The End
Music Used
Termina OST:
-Cathedral Whispers
-Alllmer Bells
-Deafening Silence
-Monologue With the Moon
-Sulfur God
-Closing Madness
-Remaining Routine
-Relentless
-Echoes of Cruelty
-Midnight Hour
-Under the Sulfur Sun
-Dark Outside
F&H:
-Mahabre Streets
-The Ascension
-Tomb of the Gods
-Fear & Hunger 
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Violence, suicide, human sicrifice, dismemberment, drug abuse, war... and the worst of all - Gnosticism
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You forgot alchemical transmutation.
@@alexandragabitto2573 shush you godless harlot!
And that thing with a Pinecone Pig
Think I'm gonna be sick... Gnosticism
Sulfur god's sigil is actually a mix of 2 alchemical symbols. Ignis (the triangle) and, obviously, sulfur (the triangle with the inverted cross). Literally burning sulfur.
wow, good eye
They should have included the symbol for brimstone, since its essentially the same as Sulphur
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It also looks like a barbed peener with balls so thats cool.
@@sirrealism7300*the stinger is pulsating*
Not really a mindblower here but burning sulfur often has connotations with hell
@@sirrealism7300 it would’ve complemented Sylvian’s vigil so I don’t think orange would’ve wanted such a connection to be made. Also like others said, might’ve been too on the nose
The theory about Pinecone Pig was Terrible! 😡 everyone knows he is made with love and kindness! No way he would ever do such things! 😭
agreed, pincone pig was awful.
false follower it is his will you just dint know he's true reason
What pinecone pig theory?
@@lorddervish212quinterosara6 there isn’t a good explanation of the subject on RUclips I can link you to, have you played both games all the way through? I mean fully committed multiple play-through’s where you have an empirical understanding between the differences in endings and a working knowledge of what needs to be done to earn them, that’s really the only way you’d have a decent foundation to discern within a comprehensive overview. Seriously, I could try to blurt it out in a single comment but you won’t start to get it until you’ve become a legit completionist, and I have a feeling you haven’t gotten there yet…
Looks like someone needs to read up on the lore. Classic pinecone pig@@lorddervish212quinterosara6
Really like the lore of the Gods in this series. They're so powerful even a fragment of them is able to twist and warp everything it's near. Gorgoroth nuking Nas'hrah, who himself nuked one of the New Gods.
And we can nuke Gorgoroth tho, funny how thing goes
@@diegodelacruzanaya537 "I'm literally an abstract concept of destruction, you can never beat me... You can't even really comprehend!"
"Mmm... Demolish old house to make new palatial estate... I do this for warlord in the Eastern Sanctuaries once, was very good pay... Seems quite comprehensible."
"Fuuuuuuuck... He knows..."
@@bruhistantv9806 Is this an adapted quote from somewhere?'
This gave me the idea that, the more you comprehend a God *without* that comprehension making you more fearful, the weaker they become to you.
Before, it's some barely understandable destructive force. You can only see the effects and broadly infer what lies behind the vail, causing this.
Then you understand it and pull down the veil. Either what you see was just as bad or worse than what you had anticipated or the fact you can now see what's causing the destruction is inherently diminishing the horror.
And with how concept-based the Gods are, that could have effects on them or rather you approaching them.
The Gorgoroth the player encounters is a fragment that remained in the world, it is not him per say
@@voidjockey82 I think there are some lore bits in Termina that seems to imply this, as humanity grew more advanced, the more complex these concepts became. After all, everyone may have a different interpretation on how it is to truly love or what true destruction is.
As a result these once "pure" concepts of love and destruction became distilled loosening the Old God's power
In the game, we are repeatedly told that Moonscorch is the result of Rher's light and influence coming into contact with a living being. However, a few things contradict this:
1: Rher is gone. As we've established, he left long ago. Perhaps his traces are enough to cause Moonscorch, but...
2: In real life, the moon doesn't actually emit light. It only reflects it. The source of this reflected light...?
The sun. Considering the Sulfur God's association with the sun and whatnot...
3. There's also a track in the game that is rather suspiciously named "Under the Sulfur Sun" which, correct me if I'm wrong, plays whenever you get sent to the top of the Hollow Tower after sleeping. And you're ALWAYS under "Rher's" "moonlight" during these intermissions.
With that all this in mind, is Moonscorch really "moon" scorch?
Might be a bit of a stretch, but it does fit rather nicely, doesn't it?
The God of The Depths works similarly to Rher and he has been dead for quite some time. My guess is the traces of an old god will still radiate echoes of it's influence within it's domains.
You see other examples of long gone gods having power if you partake in Marriages and summoned tree's. I feel Rher is only still prevelant because of his followers and the influence of the sulphur god keeping Termina festival alive.
The only sane non-contestants in Termina are sulphur cultists partaking in the festivitoes and Kaiser. Rher is essentialy exploited to find more people to sacrafice to the Sulphur Pits. I would not be surprised if the God of Fear and Hunger also had an anti christ figure of itself.
Additionally, the moonscorched say that the moonlight burns cold. What else is cold? The sun of Ma'habre.
Maybe Rher never exsisted? that would be the greatest trick wouldn't it?
@@anglosaxiphone8246"sane"
@@rosyfilling9484 Whoa that's interesting.
Where was this stated? The Mahabre Sun being cold
My theory is for why Daan is targetted by Rher to become a servant, only to be ordered to stop participating in the contest, is that he has the potential to become the champion of sulfur the cult wants. But the traces of Rher doesn't want the cult to get what they want out of spite for exploiting his power.
All hail Rher (???)
@@L16htW4rr10r tzznech buddy is that u?
No, he doesn't. That wouldn't make sense at all. Perkele clearly says if you don't kill ALL the contestants quickly enough during this trial, you aren't "bloodthirsty" enough and you aren't worthy of the cult of sulfer. Daan is not bloodthirsty at all, in fact i don't think he kills even a single person in termina. You can see during his dialogue in combat that he isn't used to combat at all. Its quite the opposite, he gave up parts of himself to save his girl. Thats the opposite of bloodthirsty, you can even see him tending to a wounded man in the 2nd area. If you look at his soul, you'll see its a "blank" soul. This is probably caused by the loss of a loved one breaking his spirit, and considering one definition of blank is "a space left to be filled" and pocketcats keen interest in emotion, it can be assumed this is the reason that pocketcat took over. It doesn't necessarily mean Rher "targeted" Daan himself, but his servant did. Pocketcat has always been oddly focused on happiness and depression, also in the first game, having a conversation with him about it gives you a unique status effect which is still unknown what it means or its effect.
@@cdrealist9398 He's fought in wars you know. There's deffo blood on his hands.
@@cdrealist9398Daan took part of a great war.
The fact that the writer of this game planted the idea that sulfur subverted his brother when he was trying to become a “good God“ as far back as in the depths of the first game is fascinating, and really impressive with how much forethought it took.
It's Satan/Jesus, except the idea is if Satan and Jesus are two aspects of a regular fallible man split into their extremes and deified. Although Alll-Mer is significantly more vicious than Jesus, it must be said.
Yes its literally just Jesus and Satan but in the timeline where humanity is 200x more violent and chaotic
@@bluegum6438Jesus won’t be coming with love next time. He will come with fire and brimstone.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 I certainly hope so, a lot of people need a spanked ass
Samarie’s Moonscorched form has one eye on her face and her head is shaped like the sun.
Samarie is probably associated with being the eye of Ra because she is connected to the right side and holds the radiating soul. The female counterpart of the solar god, known as the eye of Ra, was created after Ra tore out his right eye as a punishment for humanity's revolt against him because Ra is a mortal god and was becoming senile at the time. Ra ages but is then reborn via a celestial body.
I think Samarie's propensity for masturbating has something to do with "The Lady of the Vulva," also known as Hathor, a facet of Ra's eye. Ra's rebirth is brought about by Hathor since she is also known as the Heavenly Cow. She would then be her father's daughter, mother, and consort.
She should prob get that checked out
@@Allen667sjja
I'm sure it'll be fine. Just slap some tiger balm on that sucker
I can't believed noone else pointed out how Dysmorphia's face looked like a sun.
I’m surprised you didn’t layer the Sulphur god symbol over All-Mers corpse. He’s making the bottom triangle with his hands, it’s been there looking us in the face this whole time.
Can you explain in more detail?
@@mojus2890 just eyeballing it, i believe the larger, bisected traingle divides the corpse's face into half with an eye and half without. the corpse's joined hands form the smaller triangle, and the cross could be a few things. 1. at the navel, the root chakra 2. at the side where Alll-Mer was wounded on the cross 3. at the genitals
@@nstvntt7410this comment made me realize how funny it would be if the all mer necromancy joke was a hint at option 3 all along
1:28 I just love how The Tormented One just does his thing and refuses to wear a robe when everyone else does. More power to him.
I mean he looks great in red. Gotta be at least proud of that
They convered nilvan 😢
Isnt he using a Skirt made of meat? its like he is usinga robe without breaking the "im a skinless beast made of muscles" so he uses a cute meat skirt instead
i always imagined that his skin was turned inside out. i imagine that wearing clothing would make that even more uncomfortable, but then again the guy lives in pain so im not sure that it matters.
@@M_Feitosa7 he simply IS his own robe
Sulfur (formally the Sun God) is still furious over losing to the once mortal All-mer at uno.
He has since challenged him to a game of RISK
@@Florjb0rjTheFloorboardOf course, he's not playing fair.
Well, he literally got uno-reversed
25:50 She spent her life studying Alll-mer... under the priests who worship Sulfur under the guise of Alll-mer. She might just be conditioned to associate the feel of Sulfur with Alll-mere
EDIT: probably this is what is said later in video idk I commented as I watched
EDIT EDIT: yeah ok
The thought of Olivia doing the C ending appeals to me. Firstly, it's just the appeal of the most innocent character becoming the worst thing in the story. But also it doesn't seem that impossible, considering circumstances of the game. Firearms give her the most bloodlust out of all the character, and its not that hard to fall down the slippery slope of violence on this festival. I can see every other character having some sort of strong core to stay reasonable while cutting off heads of every enemy to improve their powers, but not with Olivia. Her surviving ending states that she actually becomes a better and more confident person after the Festival. But, most importantly, she has a Shadowed Soul, which seems like a very fitting soul for that kind of ending. Literally a Shadowed Soul, it's not getting closer than that, It gives a parallels between her and her sister who gained a different Godhood - a less evil one, I would say -, and it also gives us a parallel between them two and Allmer with his shadow Sulfur.
So while I'm sure she didn't became a Sulfur God in canon (it is obviously a pinecone pig, as you brilliantly proved in this video), I still find her character being the best to do it narratively. Or I just love fucked-up girls.
Amazing video btw.
if I had to pick one ending for her, it'd be A. The ending even has unique dialogue for her!
@@MautheDoog Olivia is so goated she has two very fitting endings for her.
@@MautheDoog i been thinking what If allmer and sulfur are basically the demiurge inspired what If logic is too? I mean If we look at logic final design she literally has a Crown that look like Sun rays what If she is the true god or Sun god child in this situation? 😮 What If Legarde is actually right?!!!!!?.
@@nobreluan4578 Now that's an interesting thought, it is a real mystery how Logic links to Rher and Sulfur...
@@MautheDoog lets Just look at the timeline *the god of fear and hunger* had hundreds of years of influence since her birth the cruel age is seemly 3 days to expire in termina and surprising she doesnt Care anymore sulfur and his followers dont seem to Care either she is not a threat to sulfur. And logic is getting prepared for her birth and needles and stitches ARE guarding the machines? Under perkele orders probably. Logic is a real threat to sulfur she is planing to basically Merge ALL living being minds onto the Matrix and in doing so ALL the gods influences would be sealed off except hers.
Wow mau, that theory involving the pinecone pig was truly mind blowing
What? Did we see the same video? It was awfully lackluster and has a ton of holes if you think about it for 5 minutes
someone didn't watch the whole video
@@CoobyPls I prolly missed it, can you point it out for me plz?
Pinecone pig has a truly mind-bending plot twist
I hope the next game has a whole sulfur skill tree in the hexen.
I think it would be cool if it was in modern times. There is tons of potential there.
@@azmunt6855 my theory is that it'll be during the cold war with the two sides being aligned with Logic and The god of Fear and Hunger
@@suetyhercules7717 I don't think Logic and the God of Fear and Hunger have any particular reason to oppose each other. They seem to be doing one thing, advancing humanity to progress.
Although I do not rule out that this is possible if the God of Fear and Hunger does not want to be replaced and does not want humanity to completely defeat these very fear and hunger through uniting into a collective mind with Logic. In addition, the third part of F&H in 1970-1990 sounds very cool, although this is less likely than in modern times (as Termina was originally planned).
And Logic too! However, in Termina, although she does not have a separate skill tree, she has more spells than "All-mer" :D Red Arc and Moth Swarm against only the Blood Sword (well, and a meme spell)
@@suetyhercules7717 can't do cold war. america is still vinland and uncolonized. that's how bremen wasn't beaten. if they were to colonize it after the war, it wouldn't be strong enough... but then again... vinland might be hiding some fancy old god magic... so it might still happen
Man, this game makes me want to dust off my Call of Cthulhu books and make a campaign with this pantheon. This game is all I like in horror.
Fear & Hunger truly is an amazing cosmic horror setting.
i have been planning something like this as well!
My whole theory about the body in Ma-had is that it's Sulphur's original form after ascending. Much like his cultists he rose to even greater heights through death and came back a twisted form, it's why his spells seem to given even those who use them the ability to warp reality rather than mystical effects. Sulphur has likely ascended past the heights of the old gods through death and sacrifice, pulling his true potential all out much like how the player characters do through his hexan.
I hope we get a deeper exploration of Sulphur in a third game. They are genuinely the most interesting god in Fear and Hunger
Soo the god burning in the sulfur pit is actually alll-mer right?
@@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593 I would argue that giving a definite answer to the topic introduced by Black Kalev wouldn't be really that interesting.
Learning which part of the man All-Mer was cast down and which ascended would reduce the mistery. After all, who else but them would have this knowledge?
I am much more interested in the implications of such a God as the Sulphur even existing and still being present in the world.
It's an extremely niche topic after all, and whoever built Logic is unlikely to know the God that well
I feel The Sulphur God is All-Mhers true self and he cast it aside to ascend. Fear and Hunger has alot of themes revolving around the nature of humans and how we have an ugly primal thoughts we keep buried.
I feel Sulphur is supposed to be a Satan figure that apposes All-mher who is more on par with The Demi-urge/ Yaldaboth who is the perfect yet imperfect god.
It’s implied that All-Mer was a vessel for the Sulphur God (Gro-Goroth) which is how All-Mer was able to ascend at all (the God of Fear and Hunger is able to ascend in a similar way using a human soul imbued within the body of an Old God, basically the reverse of All-Mer’s method.) The human that Sylvian asks Vitruvia to create is All-Mer who is imbued with the soul of her counterpart, Gro-Goroth. This is where the Jesus Christ parallels come in as Jesus is basically God in human form.
I really liked these theories, it really gives a whole new level of perspective on a deity that could be otherwise overlooked entirely just playing through the game casually.
I think personally that the key tying this altogether is Rher. Rher is described as being the jealous kind who does not desire to share power, but yet in FH2, Rher shares its power with Sulfur to create the illusion of the festival. Perhaps it was always Vitruvia's intention to create the perfect man, a bridge to the old gods, as it was commanded to. The plan went exactly as Vitruvia expected, but at the time of ascension Rher's machinations made it so the sulfur would win in the coin toss for who became the dominate soul in the exchange. Wouldn't it makes sense for Rher to hedge it's bets on the god most likely to destroy all of humanity? For if the Alll-mer became all it was promised to be, then humanity would have reached its full potential, but clearly it did not. For if humanity had reached its potential, then why were the God of Fear and Hunger and The Logic needed? The God of Fear and Hunger and The Logic are both in their own ways a means to overcome the plans of the old gods and drive humanity towards breaking the cycle and progressing beyond the gods themselves. Perhaps Nilvan and Le'garde knew of the true origins of the Alll-Mer all along. After all, the God of Fear and Hunger was created using the exact process that sulfur was, they had to learn about how this was done from somewhere. While Nilvan was content in the creation of the ascended god, Le'garde, being human still, acted as humans do and desired more, putting him down the path of becoming Kaiser and finding a way to create a god completely devoid of the old gods power entirely, for even though the God of Fear and Hunger seems to be sympathetic towards humanity, it still carries a piece of the old gods with it and may still turn on them one day. The Logic offers a way to bypass the old gods power by linking the tremendous power of all human souls together into a force that rivals the primordial green hue, a font where all things can be created.
That's my two cents on the subject anyway.
Rher being friendly with Sulfur because he destroys humanity, or at least keeps them in their place is a pretty interesting idea. The Rher-Sulfur connection is definitely one of the weirdest mysteries left to uncover. I don't think Legarde knew of the true process of ascension during f&h1, or he probably wouldn't have tried to do it the wrong way. He probably realised his mistake afterwards, so changed course to make Logic...
my theory about the corpse in Mahabre was that its the original form of the sun god after he died to make all-mer. Sulfer ended up retaining that one eye trait through the accention though. The sun god only having one eye just kinda makes sense to me, since the sun is sometimes depicted as a giant eye in the sky, and it seems like the Sulfer god might still be alive if the laughing you hear when you die to the inverse thorns is actually them.
The single eye thing could also be linked to the eye or Ra, Ra being the Sun God in ancient Egypt mythos.
The theory about how pinecone is a
ascended god was truly inspiring!
Makes sense now! Pinecone Pig in the orphanage just seemly wanted to be sacrificed, because Pinecone Pig found out that Pinecone Pig was really Pinecone Pig!
Pinecone pig theory was pretty sus ngl
Came for Sulfur lore and got another damn pinecone pig theory, thanks mau!
46:00 the Vitruvian man wasn't an attempt of Leonardo da Vinci to draw a perfect man but to recreate the proportions that Vitruvius had discovered in the human body
What if Vitruvia intended to create both? In different cultures there are different ideas on what is a perfect Human. Sulfur represents the perfect "apex" Human, deceitful, powerful, and a ruler, a lot like modern day celebrities that are glorified while Alll-mer is a humble, friendly, and giving person, someone you'd want to be friends with and look up to.
I do think nashrah might be referring to the "sun god" when he says "Let's make a sacrifice for the fire god himself!"
that's a really good point!
Truly Pinecone Pig changed my whole perspective on the Fear & Hunger series and I hope the third game will go more in-depth in the mind of Pinecone Pig
The theory about the pinecone pig was amazing!
I agree that the man in black is likely the 12th disciple of Allmer, but I always interpreted him more like Nosramus, being someone that saw the transformation of Allmer into an Ascended God, and being disillusioned by the process. I always took his idol carving warning to be similar to Nosramus' warning about the New God trap. He never gave me Sulphur God Cultist vibes.
You really need to do more of these videos.
It's your best content by FAR.
You speak calmly, clearly, it's pleasant.
I said this In the stream but, I think the reason why you don’t see the sun anymore in the city of Ma’Habre in the present is because it’s all underground now. When you’re at the entrance of the dungeons of fear and hunger it’s daytime but foggy. But, when you go into mahabre it’s all underground and it’s dark unless if you use the cube to go into the past where it’s all sunny
Brilliant video! The only thing I would add is that the alchemical symbol for Sulphur is part of the Sulphur God’s rune. Sulphur also has a second symbol that resembles Per’kele’s headpiece. Sulphur is actually one of the 3 heavenly alchemical substances - salt = body (base matter), mercury = mind, sulphur = (heavenly) soul. There’s a lot to be said about the colors that are prominently associated with the Gods, Prehevil, and the City of Mahabre (the green mist) itself. Even the Sulphur God’s origins reflect the alchemical image of the Green Lion Consuming the Sun. Said image represents how matter that is dipped into (green acidic) vitriol will be “purified” leaving behind only the gold within.
Also the mystery rune looks like Logic’s human form and Samarie’s Moonscorched one, both of which have the Radiating Soul…piNECONE PIG LIVES ONNNN
38:18 There is a historical pretext for a one-eyed, right eye remaining Sun God: Ra, from Egyptian Mythology. Ra was seen as the creator of the universe, and the source of all life, not just human life. The "Corpse of an Old God" looks like a marriage, and Ra merged with Osiris in the underworld. The connections are tenuous, but we don't know what inspired Miro. I just see a lot of parallels between this and Egyptian mythology as well.
I think the best description for Alll-Mer and Sulfur's relationship might be to reference an episode of Rick and Morty: Rest and Ricklaxation. In it, Rick and Morty are "purged" of all the toxins in their body, including the aspects of their personality that they consider negative... and those toxins took on a life of their own. If someone who views humanity itself as corrupt and impure goes through that process, then won't he be casting aside everything that makes him human?
Funny, I've been thinking of that episode every time I thought of the Sulphur God, but couldn't remember where I'd seen that concept before!
I don't know, that's a grimdark theme but it doesn't really mesh with the Christian ethos since the whole point is Jesus is a man who overcame sin despite being a man.
@@mojus2890 Yeah, but All-Mer is basically jesus but opposite given that he took violent revenge instead of promoting peace.
Need a very high IQ to make Rick and Morty references
Was not expecting a video of so high quality and length about the sulfur god, great video!
Great video, never thought the whole Sulfur God thing goes this far. Also, the Pinecone pig theory was really good, it certainly holds its ground once you start thinking about all the minor details surrounding it.
Since Alll-mer can still be called upon using the perfect circle I do think he's an ascended god and the portals could be result of his magic, while sulfur can still be an ascended god.
But I do believe sulfur is more powerful than his brother and that they both live in the sulfuric pits, Alll-mer from when he was cast down and sulfur from after his body died since even his followers call the sulfuric pits his cage and when we go there we do see him in all his horror.
Sulfur could also be a power beyond or adjacent to the ascended gods since his ritual symbol in the mold apartments uses no circle.
For the alll-mer affinity also giving sulfur spells I believe their affinites overlap due to their dual nature, we might be calling upon alll-mer for the portals and sulfur for the blood sword and inverse crown.
Also I think it's fitting for alll-mer to have a dual nature somewhat similar to the trinity's triple nature and for a god of humanity to both represent human capacity for good and evil.
Wait we can see Sulfur God in his cage? When is it?
The pits themselves are called a cage by the followers. @@Khann_2102
@@Khann_2102when you get ending c. You descend into the Sulfuric pits, possibly his cage.
There are some problems with the theory, for instance, it is not o'saa's first time in Europa, by now he would have noticed that the western alll-mer isn't the easteen one and even so, he knows of average alll-mer rituals like confession, which all players know. One thing that I couldn't fit together is the fact that when you find "alll-mer" dead, he looks totally different from the god of sulfur.
And another thing which isn't as relevant. I do find that the god of sulfur/alll-mer isn't as powerful as you claim him to be, look at all the powers other gods can give, and the only things alll-mer does are stated in the video, and about the amount of rituals, clearly in the gauntlet there are more sacrifices for the god of the dephts. I think more than the most powerful old god, he works as a bond between men and old gods, for he gives access to their power, as the other old gods don't care that much about men.
One last thing, through careful reading of the skin bible, I understood that alll-mer was a god before dying, the meaning of this I could not decipher; but it may have something to do with the "molded" things in the void, which are presumed by the new gods at the table to be created by a wicked new god (I don't remember the exact citation but you can find it in the wiki), the smell of sulfur is also mentioned.
I just want to say that this video was awesome, the symbolism and gnosticism related topics was something I would have never figured out myself. And I always like to think that it was daan the one to get ending C, that's why pocketcat wants to make him a furry😊
What seems very interesting is that if Sulfer won out and is the greater part of the ascension of All-Mer, something clearly went wrong for him given he is now described as trapped and raging in the Sulfer Pits.
He is not still not the conquering king, maybe he tried to refine himself yet further and failed in some way?
Man, that pinecone pig theory was the key to everything! Truly amazing.
Naming the girl in the wheel chair hotwheelz 💀
In irish celt mythology the grandpa of lugh was the leader of the femorians and he had a Terrible one eye that burnt like the sun when he opened it, his grandson lugh is depicted bald and shining brightly without devastation, both have aspects that inspired both all mer and sulfur.
It is interesting that lugh only wins against baelor by profecy and trickery shooting a pebble into baelors eye and turning it onto baelor himself destroying him, later he takes over as king through beating the old one in strategy game, although here the sun god (baelor) uses said trickery and takes over all mer (lugh) and his name to reign over the followers of all mer.
From what I see this can be somewhat explained by the ability of Sulphur to cause Termina using Rher’s remnant divinity.
It could be that All-mer in a way never stopped being one as in him and Sulphur are forever connected and that is why both are inconsistent(and with the two aspects existing either gave an opportunity to Sulphur to act or for All-mer given whoever won) so Sulphur could have corrupted one of the versions and grew stronger or he took discreetly the church of All-mer in Europa(or just their leadership and key points) and in the limits of Prehevil Sulphur can interfere with prayer to All-mer to give spells and that is what reverse crown of thorns is.
There is also the matter that in Fear and Hunger it was a matter that the power of old gods was too incompatible with humanity so “Vitruvia having designed All-mer” itself is debatable since the necessity for Logic is that Ma’habre was supposed to have been the lizard’s domain and never properly worked for human new gods making that the age of human new gods was an eternal loop before Fear and Hunger arose because Ma’habre would fall apart and the capability to become a new god could only be accessed in the throne of the past. Logic being an attempting path of divinity to humans(though it’s an obviously a no that Logic will fix humanity, maybe it being composed by a radiant instead of a enlightened will make the third game be about how the age of information is lacking in constancy and truth).
While the next game may likely address these questions and shed more light on the Sun God, I have the suspicion that the expanded content for F&H2 could provide some hints, if not even more questions
I think that we can actually determine the identity of the sun god with all we have now
@@MautheDoog true, lol. But still, I wonder what else was on his mind
One thing that I didn't hear discussed is the parallel to Legarde? There's the obvious "perfected" man trying to ascend, but also the potential parallel in the resurrection gone wrong and the vengeful brutal Legarde of D'Arce's S-ending. Of course, is this a parallel or was this also a plot by the Sulfur god himself? All of this also begs the question - the what happened to the good side?
And I could be mistaken, but it's also curious that you can't seem to get the New Gods of FH1 to talk about Alll-mer.
I think the new gods are scared about the sulfur god because he became so powerful that he couldnt affect the real world in a way like the old gods who left the world, he was so "pure" in his hatred and evilness that he has to use proxy methods like followers doing sacrifices and trying to channel him for him to have an effect on the world, perkele being the perfect example of it, the termina death game is probably the way the sulfur god can find a worthy vessel for him to bring terror into the world
Props for not just recapping known lore, but also coming up with genuinely compelling and interesting theories
What do you think about relation between Rher and Sulphur? The Pocketcat's Room have Moon and one-eyed Star, my hypothesis that this Star symbolize Sulphur.
I suspect there's a connection between Rher and the Sun God, although exactly what is hard to know... Rher's probably still mad about the Sun God dying tbh
@@MautheDoogsun and moon gods are always closely linked in mythology, I would be surprised if there was no connection. I mean they are almost always depicted as siblings or lovers
@@MautheDoogit'd be funny if thats why rher opposes humanity so much.
Amazing lore video Mau, honestly the gestalt and replicant theory is pretty amazing
definitely need to look more into these!
the theory about pinecone pig was amazing
Great recap man!
I think the reason the Sun God choose Alll-mer as a vehicle is due to the importance among humans and the similaties between The Sun God and Alll-Mer in terms of their conceptions.
Both created by the same entity (Vitruvia), from the will of the old Gods (Theory about Alll-Mer being a plan from Sylvian all along).
Imo what happens is that both the sun God and Vitruvia realised they were not able to Acheive ascension by themselves in that exact moment. Therefore, the Sun God grants his power to Alll-Mer which acheives ascension, carrying with it traces of the Sun God within him, the worst sides of Alll-Mer human nature as explained from the Black man. When Alll-Mer manages to split these mixture of emotion and thoughs, gives it a form and pushes it in the lowest depts of the earth, creating in fact what the other 2 together couldn't all this time, which is the Sulfur God. That would explain why the Sulfur God is venerated among Alll-Mer sites and often hidden or underground. It represents the worst of human kind and what it should be always hidden or repressed, away in order to create love and unity.
Another thing that I found out, if you check out the electronic configuration of the Sulfur element, you can clearly draw all the sigils that are referred to Both Alll-Mer, Vitruvia and the Sun God.
These are just my thoughs and ideas about it.