Metal Bands using AI Art
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The problem is that AI is taking away real funds and exposure from artists. The reason AI is taking over so fast is because it's being combed through artists' portfolios without their knowledge or consent. Happened with Deviantart.
Don’t know who this ‘AI art’ fellow is, but they’ve been pumping out some great art. Shout out to them
The greatest dad joke I have ever heard in my life man, congrats!😭😂
EXACTLY, they are RAKING IN the commissions!
The more ai i see bands use, the less i wanna work with bands.
Watching humans become obsolete within my lifetime. Scary.
If you want a good video to add on/echo what Nik said, Tom Byrne (vocalist of Galleons/Valiant Hearts) made a video about this at the start of the month. He also talks about Termina in it, albeit briefly. It's good to see it from his perspective since he's an actual digital artist who does all the cover art, lyric videos, and merch designs for both his bands. Even art for other bands like the visualizer video for the Knosis single. I'd guess it's difficult for Nik to fully grasp since I'm assuming he hasn't done much digital artwork to have that say from an artists side. So it's good to see that from the other side of things
The new periphery video was mind blowing. That’s a creative and beautiful use of the medium and I hope more people use it that way
Ai Art disturbs me personally. The implication that we can start choosing machines to forge works of creativity could eventually extend to all forms of art, including music. And no one can express themselves the same anymore because robots will ‘do it better.’ It disables humanity to present brilliant visions and history will forget the artist. Visionary minds will become irrelevant. No one should support this, I think we all need to fight against it.
Architects “a new moral low ground” it’s a sick AI video
@@peytonbierens517 haha, did you read my comment? I don’t contest it can look cool I have issues for other reasons
People were also spooked by cameras, gramophones and telephones, afraid of early computers and the musical synthesis of orchestras, yet these all were bridges to advanced creation and communication.
This AI is like an extension of musical sampling, it is part of transforming the way art can be made, and still GIGO = garbage in garbage out... meaning the apex of musical creation still requires a lot of judgement and filtering out of results with AI.
It's possible the shape of popular art will even change as our technical standards become higher?
@@j_freed no one is discussing music generators here. This video and my comment are about visual ai art, which I should remind you is an emerging style already winning art awards. And while at the moment, ai music may simply be a useful tool for sampling, who is to say it will not advance to the level ai visual art currently has reached? The addition of several keystrokes and the click of a button which has already begun losing artists jobs as musicians and businesses employ it instead if a real, creatively envisioning human? For me, it is an inevitability. And then we will enter the world where humanity forgets the artist, as I said. A creative vision is rendered obsolete and thousands lose their jobs and agency to express themselves creatively. Sure they could still so it, but no one would pay attention as AI could do it “better” and cheaper.
And to equate cameras, synthesizers, and the like, mere tools to supplement the creative process, with something which dissolves the entire process in a matter of minutes- if you do not see the disconnect there, you have fallen into a truly intoxicating delusion, one which technocrats leaders to come will be more than happy to take advantage of.
By the time AI art becomes really indistinguishable from human art, society will be long adapted to it. It still has a long way to go.
"The AI streamer isn't a metal head" Little does Nik know but Neuro-sama already has done a vocal cover of Linkin Park... the reckoning may be closer than we think
*What are your thoughts on bands using AI for their artwork/visuals? Leave a comment below*
i mean i do it so if i bash for doing it i would be hypocritical
Nik reacted to the song seventy thoms of kim dracula there appears Jonathan Davis lead singer of Korn
Unethical, and harmful.
It's fine. It's a good tool that makes art more accessible to people, and if someone really wants some really specific art, i assure you that they are probably going to pay for human artists instead of paying for the more advanced AI art models. I like that i can generate some sick art on the fly with free AI art, but if I wanted to get art of a very specific fictional character I created, for example, I'd probably pay for someone experienced to do it, since, in those cases, AI is just not going to cut it, and due to the communication between me and the artist, the art will be much more accurate to what I originally had in mind.
@@CrypticlyEncrypted harmful how?
My friend is an artist who creates album covers for a lot of metal bands. He found his name in an AI database that copies his art style without permission or royalties. That isnt right. There needs to be copyright law because of where the AI pulls its sources to make it's art.
I agree
Honestly it's a minefield discussion. We are seeing a lot of AI work in metal because some models, especially Midjourney, are very good at producing the kind of dark fantasy vibes you get off a lot of metal albums. I actually like the end product you can get, but I have a complicated relationship with it.
I'm a digital 'artist', which I don't always like to say artist as my techniques are more photomanipulation. But anyway, its a hobby that I was making some money from, creating custom album art etc. But since midjourney and AI that income is now non-existant, which is fine its a hobby and I still enjoy making art. But I can see why artists are infuriated by AI replacing them so quickly. I can also see why they are mad at musicians (also artists) for choosing AI art over traditional, because ultimately we will reach a place where music is also AI generated, and then musicians may grasp why the artists were so angry today.
My opinion is, sure AI is free for solo upcoming artists, its a good cost effective choice, but for bigger bands and labels that really want to express the album? I think should do their best to have a unique artwork with an artist that fits their style, just seems more authentic and I would be more invested in the album as a whole piece of art. The genie is out the bottle though!
Who knows, the album covers that age better over the next 10 years might be quality artist renderings.
I see it the same way. I also do photomanips as a hobby (only did it for pay once, but it's nice to do for fun) and can't help being angry at bands for using AI, especially bigger bands. It's an opportunistic use of a technology that they don't want involved in their own art form either. Artists screwing over other artists to save a bit of money is not a good look, especially for those who could afford the alternative.
The grunge adjustment layer(s) hides a lot of the grossness of the AI, true - but it's still there.
Signed,
A moderately scared of AI poster and cover artist.
Honestly, a lot of the reason why the AI art works so well for The Death We Seek is due to the fact that it seems to fit in with the aesthetic and vision that Currents are going for, and that is what is most important. As a musician, you want the artwork to encapsulate and depict your vision.
there is literally hundreds of real artists that could do something even better than that "art" but they chose the easy way.
Sometimes you want to roll on fancy wallpaper instead of commissioning a hand-painted mural.
@@SuperSunburn They didn't even know what ai art was until after the art had been made lmao
The ABR album art was the first I noticed it and I thought it was god awful.
It is what it is, but I still find it...disheartening.
The ABR art looks like junkyard Mickey Mouse
I can imagine that AI will take over music to the point musicians won’t even sing to their own songs anymore. Imagine that an artist can just videotape themselves saying different words and sounds, put it into a software, write a script and literally add a breakdown, rift, chorus and the ai will generate a song for you. You can customize the song however you want just by changing the lyrics. It’ll be to the point you don’t need to have talent to sing anymore. Just record your voice from low to high pitch, say the alphabet of your language, and it’ll do it all for you. Crazy world we live in
well, there are tools to generate song structure, midi for melodies and harmony etc. Chat GPT can generate lyrics. Vocaloid is a thing since early 00s and you can make modern ones sound pretty realistic, and also I believe there's software that allows you to make voicepacks using your own voice in a similar fashion (my guess is that it's a bit more complicated than saying the alphabet but still). So basically almost everything you described is possible but just making a song the old-fashioned way is still faster
The lack of human aspect of the ai kills it for me. I'm not gonna go crazy over a band wanting to use ai art, it's obviously easier in the long run, but I will always prefer human made artwork and supporting actual artists. Same goes for if music starts becoming ai generated, I will happily avoid that music in favor of actual human creativity, no matter how technically "good" the music is.
Imagine musicians just never put out music because they needed good looking art for a thumbnail. We're not getting full album art anymore, but we need art for thumbnails on platforms to release our music onto to make songs more distinguishable, esp since the format for singles is much more popular than only releasing albums where you only need 1 thumbnail for a whole collection of songs
Wonder how these bands will react when AI music is created by throwing all of their music into the generator, surely they will be complacent like they are with using AI "art"
Anything musically decent out of AI generation takes a lot of selection, discarding and editing from mostly junk output.
But if you’ve already got music ideas, and workstation chops it could be quite the tool. Wow… 🤔
Old man, boomer, call me what you will, I hate the proliferation of AI in the arts...
refreshingly sane take.
btw funny thing I noticed about how I look at art in general since the emergence of ai art. while I do really enjoy stuff some of the ai art producers are doing, I think started appreciating "bad" human art more. I mean, when I look at something with wonky anatomy, shaky lines and half-assed rendering but I see a clear vision and emotional expression in the piece - I feel like I can appreciate it more than I was able to before.
As someone going into the field of graphic design myself, this makes me very upset, I don't think some people realize what they're doing supporting this, if this keeps going musicians will be out of jobs too. It's unfortunate that some people don't really understand this
Its not that we don't understand this, its just a reality we live in and its inevitable, its something we are just gonna have to accept. I don't believe AI is going to completely replace artists as it still needs a direction to go to, but this was bound to happen anyway. Same way that EDM took over the music industry
Many tech revolutions over the past century changed the jobs field, its only that we’ve adapted.
If you gave up every modern convenience of mass-production & having anything you need expedited to your house by a few taps on your smartphone, you would understand this.
(You still want technology when it works for you. )
If AI ends up making superior music then I’m going to listen to it 🤷♀️🤷♂️
Yeah, funny how many musicians even realize that and still go "eh, what can you do?" Such a spineless attitude is certainly interesting to behold in a genre where so many bands sing about being tough warriors. Yet when an actual challenge comes up, they shrug and make up some bullshit about going with the times. The difference between fiction and reality becomes real obvious real fast there lol.
Really not a fan of AI art. I don’t reeeally mind how Currents did it because they commissioned album art, decided they didn’t want to use it for the album (and are still using it for merch), then still paid another artist to edit AI generations for the new album/singles. As far as paying artists here, everything seems alright, but I’m still majorly concerned for how this will play out going forwards.
I think the “look” of the current AI stuff will become very tired, and eventually we’ll just make fun of it as a predictable cliché. We will lose our taste for things that look like a misty, moody cover of some fantasy novel in a comic book shop.
I'm usually not one to leave comments on RUclips videos, but this is deeply disappointing to hear from you, Nik. AI art is a controversial issue for a reason. Creative people, especially artists, have a long, long history of being mistreated. That's a trend that continues even to this day, AI art aside. Artists and animators being underpaid, overworked, etc. I'm an artist myself, I know how long and how much it takes to produce even a simple finished drawing. The fact that a lot of AI software is stealing art from existing, actively working artists and taking from their potential profits when they're already mistreated by every industry worldwide is messed up no matter how you look at it. I really respect you, and even respect your decision to work with AI for your personal projects, but please at the very least make sure the person you're working with is using software that learns only from stuff that they've made themselves and not the blood, sweat, and tears of other people. I would encourage other people/bands to do the same if they're going down this route.
For me arguing against AI is pretty simple, because i won't even start to talk about things like "copyright issue", "AI art is just a copy or not?" , "AI art is fair or not?" because i don't know enough about it (copyright issue? i really don't know if AI taking those images an elaborate them is much different from an artist taking inspirations from the same images. AI is just a copy or not? i really don't know if elaborate a lot of images to create a new one can be considered as "a copy". AI art is fair? I really don't know why paiying a guy to program an AI is less fair than paiying a guy to draw something.)
With that being said...as i was saying: arguing against AI is pretty simple. Imho we totally CAN use AI in art, whichever art it is...but should we? why? to me not having a problem in generate things (paints, drawings, songs, etc) in art is like "hey, now there are some robots we can totally have sex with, fuck people, let's fuck with robots since it's the same experience 'cause technology now is got so good that we can't even tell the difference". Of course it's an extreme example, but the concept behind is the same, and it's the following one: "technology got so good we don't need people anymore, so fuck them". Why? Using AI in art to me is just disrespect to those who works in art (and no, i don't work in it, i'm not defending myself, i'm defending others).
I got an AI album cover of creatures eating a man alive...
There's no way in hell I'd choose AI over Caelans work. That dude is a master at his craft.
I mean, did you see the two works? Honestly his looked more cartoony and the AI one looked so much better. I'm not saying he can't do just as good or better than the AI, just saying that the artwork they went with is fkn sick. The one he made just didn't look "Currents" their artwork was always edgy and sort of faded looking, sharp, but beautiful at the same time and I didn't feel the cartoony look that his had fit their image.
Well it’s interesting. We do feel offended when we’re made redundant by something that takes no effort. >> Who wants to be replaced by a program?
Also, there is no accounting for taste, and sometimes even people with gourmet money have mac & cheese taste.
Good for you, you’re not in the band so boohoo
@Nathaniel Rivera damn for real? I could have swore I was. I'll take your word for it though.
@@ragingmonkey4592Caelans unused artwork honestly looks like something you'd see a power metal band use tbh, not really Currents
Give props to the artist man, he is trying to not start a beef with the band even though they didn't use his artwork
support actual artists and people who practice to do their craft, supporting A.I generated images is only hurting people.
I think the problem of AI generated images its not really the looks, but how its been used. Most of AI images generators have been fed with stolen artwork and the people gets the full credit for it. It's like making a song mashup and claiming it as your full creation, what doesnt happen, because that are laws protecting the original artist. This probably the reason why AI is not as advanced to copy music as it is to copy art. The moment that AI generated songs start to get popular, the labels will probably start investigating (if they are not doing it already) if any of the songs they hold copyrights of were added into AI databases to take it down or getting their cut on it.
But such protection does not exist to protect illustrators, that's why it is such a controversial topic now. I think it would be more acceptable if most AI generators were only fed voluntarily by the artists themselves or/and had a way to trace back credits to the original pieces fed into the AI.
They could train on public non copyrighted works like of rRmbreandt, Sargent and hundreds of others, but they decided not to do it ethically and now they have problems because of it. In those datasets they used a lot of illegal and private data like medical information of people or some messed up shit from dark web.
Also from an art student perspective it feels just messed up, it feels like some random guy can skin us alive and wear our skin pretensing to be us without consent. Yes we study on some level in the same manner, but trust me, everytime i try to draw mathematically the result just comes out dry and bland, we are literally being trained in classical art academy’s to be more intuitive, there is no intuition in ai to begin with. And the best way of practice is drawing from a live model, that changes her position constantly, we are being trained not to copy the model, but use as a base for our own interpretation, and with ai people just give up this aspect of creation and control and just do some polishing after the base came out of ai, it like watching the shadows in a cave, that just mimic an actual world. It’s just feels lazy and like degradation. Im all for technology and im fine if somebody wants to use ai for references, even though the result isn’t as interesting when you discover new references while researching the theme yourself, but fine. But when it becomes the final work or skipping steps like rendering, it just makes my face twitch in disappointment and somewhat of disgust. People give up on authenticity.
Yeah I was planning on getting a BFA in Graphic Design starting this August, with this whole AI art revolution I'm gonna have to pivot fast and hard to something else. Pharmacy Tech maybe?
What did you end up doing lol
I'm a musician and artist. I still prefer human made art, although AI can be a handy tool for textures and getting ideas, it still won't do exactly what is in my head. I think looking for formations in nebula is more natural looking
I was going to release a single for a small passion project. My intention is using the A.I. art to foster an idea and having someone work on their own interpretation from the A.I art that way I can capture a good idea and have them go wild from there. I can definitely see why pulling ideas and then going to human made artwork could benefit
Nik referencing Neuro-sama was probably the last thing I ever expected. IDK why that is given the topic and his streaming platform of choice, but I didn't expect it.
AI art has no soul to it. It all just looks empty to me.
Allen Iverson going crazy with all the art work lately 🔥🔥
I actually personally work with Jim and he’s a super nice dude!
A big problem with AI art - especially midjourney - is that it all looks the same. It might look good in the short term but it will age badly, like those awful late 90s PS album covers.
That AI cover looks like pure Midjourney. And while it's a much better choice as a cover, that style is going to date really quickly. We will look back in the future at this period in time as an embarrassing moment where all the art looks kinda the same. I love AI art, it blows my mind. But this style will date.
It already dated itself and exposed metal bands as a bunch of losers that don't care about artists. So no one should care about them either.
@@user-qm3eg5yo6n Or maybe struggling metal bands trying to make a start have used AI to generate art they could never in a million years afford otherwise. There are shades of grey here, and labeling all metal bands that have used AI as " a bunch of losers" makes you look very bad to be honest.
AI music is trained off royalty free libraries because theyd get targetted by record labels otherwise. Ai art might go the same way
I really hope that AI goes down the route of being used as a tool by Artists to improve (or I mean more speed up the process of improving) their art as opposed to companies utilizing AI art themselves. It seems like the artist for the final cover, Jim, is already doing this and some people will say "You're not a real artist if you use AI! It's cheating!" but is using computer noise generation cheating? Are you not a real artist if you draw a scene and put 3D clouds in the background sky? AI is yet another tool, and AI art will become what digital art is to traditional art. Traditional art will always be wanted and created, but AI art is simply more efficient, and you can make something beautiful if you utilize both.
It already has been! Literally every tool used in every art software will use AI, and AI used for assistance should ALWAYS be welcomed. But AI creating something outright is Bad, Actually
I'm also guessing that the artist pool for Metal album art is very small. Not a lot of people want to create stuff that is so dark and depressing. So, in those respects I think that AI art is going to be very prevalent in the Metal community going forward.
there are probably more artists than bands who need artwork
People will still value human made art just as much if not more in the future, It might impact some but in the long run it shouldn't be too devastating, Like when cameras where invented it took jobs from painters but that doesn't mean their art is less valuable if anything its more valuable since there's less of it and takes more time effort and skill to make.
Plus Ai art is just a stepping stone to bring more people into Ai research and regulation so it'll be better and safer as well as exponentially helping in every area of science and technology to improve more peoples lives.
This is a great perspective
Photography as a hobby still takes talent and an artistic mind to use. You have to take the lighting, positioning, focus, timing, etc into consideration when taking a picture. Even just for quick selfies you'd want the best lighting, angle, and focus.
I Never said it didn't
We can also have AI write the music, and have an AI that buys it and we're all set
Nik reacts to the song seventy thoms by Kim Dracula there appears Jonathan Davis vocalist From Korn although you must already know it
thorns*
I'm honestly really torn. On the one hand, the new currents album art looks insane, and better than the OG artist's art. But at the same time It's just sad seeing new and old artists loosing commissions and possible work due to AI. I know with a lot of AI art it's not as simple as typing in "Gothic dark fantasy city burning" there's a lot of fine tweaking, and photoediting to get the final result.
I guess to me, this is a clear sign we're headed towards dystopia. Every Utopia I've seen has humans spending their time making art and music and stuff while robots do all the hard work.
As a traditional artist (paint and ink) I have to say, I don’t understand why people have to get their britches in a bunch about AI artwork. It can be really beautiful. Can also be cheap and unfinished-looking, but that depends entirely on the artist. There are AI artists who put a lot of care and effort and post-editing into their work, and there are those who don’t, one iteration and then post it. You can always tell which ones really care about the art. “But it’s stealing!” Sure, inasmuch as I’m stealing when I find several pictures on Pinterest and use them as references for a single painting. There is no such thing as an entirely new art concept. It has been done before, in some aspect, by someone else.
Thank you for commenting this, I'm tired of having to explain to people that by the logic that AI art is theft, almost every song and painting would be stealing, too. It's pretty ironic that the artists whose entire jobs rely on artistic freedom are so desperate to restrict it. Yes, there are some issues that come with this new technology, but we should stop blaming the technology itself and start thinking of real solutions. For example, it would only be fair if AI art generators had a built-in filter that checks if the output image is too similar to a picture in its dataset as it sometimes happens that if you ask for a very specific image or a popular image is prevalent multiple times in the dataset, the AI generates very similar looking replicas.
@@cerostymc Agreed on all points. There are arguments against AI that are much more credible, but the stealing one is just about the dumbest. Followed by, it's going to ruin real artists. No, it won't. As history has taught us, just because there's a newer, faster, less expensive option does not mean demand for a higher quality material and artistry will go away. I'm happy AI is becoming a thing, it's bringing a lot more people into the art community, who mostly aren't career artists and I'm all for that. The "real artist" snippy elitists were kind of our posterboys before, and that wasn't helping anyone discover a love of art.
Id rather support a humans art than a robots
Just looked up how much to charge as an artist for album art. They quoted $350-$2500 for a garage band level, first album type thing. There's plenty of people making music, throwing out singles on Spotify, using distro kid to distribute, paying $20 a song. Then you as the consumer pays, what $10 a month for Spotify or whatever streaming service? I don't think music is in danger of being taken over by ai because music is CHEAP. Album artists have just priced themselves out of competing with ai.
The article also had this little gem in there,
"And, if they are a small garage band making their first album, they need to have some skin in the game. This is how they will learn about business, and music is indeed a business."
Like oh that's cute, you're making music for the sake of making music and want to have some art with your album? Fuck you, pay me.
The irony is that this betrayal will make many artists never want to work with bands again. And when the ai is no longer trendy, they will be fucked.
what program/website did they use one this one?
Let’s be honest, the AI art they used in the end is cooler. I think the shitty part of this is hiring the guy and not using his artwork anyway.
Acknowledge the future, but please don't encourage it😬😬
I get the cheaper part, but I find it super hypocrits coming from fellow artist that you want people to take music as a craft seriously and ask it's recognize for it's value and get living wage out of it, but don't give a damn about doing the same for visual art? And I'm sorry but if you look at currents new album art and think it looks remotely good, you need some art fundamentals knowledge in your life cuz it's just noise
Let chaos reign as she always should
not the AI is the problem, the way we use AI is the problem. AI generated pictures can be cool and detailed, but they need afterwork, sometimes a lot! Some of the engines uses copy paste mashups that made concern due to copyright stuff.
Nik when he realizes people on Reddit aren't smart
PERIPHERY-ATROPOS ..... the whole video is AI ..... the song and video best they've released so far
Art today, Music tomorrow... I think if musicians want human support, they should probably support humans.
Video idea:
Use an AI to generate pictures of bands from their name.
- Bring Me The Horizon
- August Burns Red
- Bullet for my Valentine
And so on
Working on the tech industry, I would've never thought that artists would be the first ones to lose their jobs 😅
The way AI art works fundamentally is by stealing artwork- it literally pulls from a database of art made by human beings.
Also, the Currents album art doesn't look good. If you have a superficial or nonexistant taste in art, it might look good to you, but it won't stand the test of time. It looks like generic metal album cover slop.
Also, Currents, lol.
Most people use AI art for porn anyway.
But I still think that it is somewhat of a problem.
It’s how we got the internet to where it is today.
Also the ABR art isn't AI generated....they listed the artist as Andrei Riabovitchev.
Sadly some artists are now using AI and not being transparent about it. Some are going as far as to sell prints of AI as original paintings by giving the print a coat of gel.
@@user-qm3eg5yo6n I’m sure that’s true, but the artist for the ABR cover is very transparent about it. And I don’t believe the cover art is a full render. From what I looked at it looks like it was drawn by him and then he used AI to manipulate it
@@justified_edc That's garbage.
Obviously the whole ai thing is not a big deal for musicians because is not they work that is being stolen...
They are hypocrites.
I don’t like AI art on principle but I’m not going to lose my mind every single time something like this happens. This needs to be dealt with generally not in pointing out every individual instance
Next step - music label use music AI for release new albums.
Imma be honest, that AI artwork was miles better than what that guy made. The new Currents album art is awesome.
I'm okay with some AI "art" if it actually looks good, and if it's an unsigned or smaller band with no funds. These distorted and full of artifacts AI "arts" popping everywhere, on music videos and album covers may look cool to some people now, but for sure will not age well. Most of them look this way just because the image generation is still kinda shity, this early AI signature is very obvious and will forever be a reminder that the band decided to cheap out on true art and have some crap instead. I also think it's kinda lame that bigger bands don't support real art, which is the actual source these AI's are based on. If you have a real income as a musician, using AI like buying from a person who stole something and making profit out of it
Can you please react to some of the new Currents stuff. Ist's so sick
I've always wanted to ask, but I think it's a little too late at this point. Who's that girl in the background?
It's his girlfriend, look at his instagram to see.
dan seagrave's album covers have looked similar to ai art since the early 2000's
Yeah, he seems to have stopped trying like he did in the early 90's.
The real conceptual question here is, 'What exactly distinguishes a biological neural network from an artificial one?'. Sure, we can't expect AI to act like a real person yet (and I think we won't see that for a very long time), but in specific tasks those models are clearly becoming more and more human-like in terms of quality. Can they convey a myriad of subtle meanings in their paintings / music? Well, seems like no. But can they mimic the styles of different artists in general? Seems like yes. So, if everything you are looking for is the atmosphere (which is absolutely fine), why not use the incredibly versatile tool for making precisely that?
Parts of my job are starting to get taken over by AI aswell. I'm a game dev and well some of the art and even some of the music gets created by AI. All of us just have to deal with it, wether we like it or not.
And dude, music is my life, it makes me freakin angry that AI is even doing that.
Currents will have AOTY
AI art isn't a problem as long as there's still an artist involved imo. It looks sick, and its obviously faster to churn out. The issue I have is when bands don't even consider an artist and just plug prompts into the AI programs without having to pay an artist. Again, it obviously is much cheaper and faster this way but that's when artists lose out.
AI is one of those things that creatives are just going to have to adapt to - myself included. People complain about it but this kind of thing happens in all types of creative industries - a new tool comes out and people expect artists to be able to use it to their advantage and maximise the tools available to them. I'm a photographer and its almost impossible to get jobs nowadays if you can't also do video - especially for bands, cuz its just way cheaper for them to take one guy around than two. Right now yes it sucks, what with the AIs using loads of copyrighted materials to train and I definitely agree that thats wrong, but there's plenty of AI programs being developed and out right now that are more ethical in their training - asking for image submissions from crowdsourced artists and even letting you train them yourself using your own artwork. It'll get there, and I think artists will just have to move with the times and add an extra tool to their belt, because using AI to your advantage in your work is no less creative and is no less art than if you were to draw it all by hand.
AI is never art
*newer
Use AI but don't complain when your band gets replaced by AI music
a reach but i agree with the sentiment, we can’t just shelve great artists for software that mimics their style
Both art are cool. BUT I think the AI cover fits the song better. HOWEVER. If it were me? I’d see if another song I have could be released with that art.
I don't know what on earth about Currents music makes someone think "hmm they'll like dragons on their album cover."💀
The thing about that is that when you commission an artist you *tell* them what you want and you work with them to make sure it's what you want. So if you're getting something wildly different it's either your fault for not explaining well enough or knowing what you wanted or you really commissioned the wrong artist. Most artists I know check in throughout the process, so there would be opportunity to point out it's not what you wanted.
@@koutetsuhime That was an awful thing they did.
@@koutetsuhime They liked the art but didn't think it would work as the album cover which is why they said they were going to use it for something else and commissioned the guy who did the art for the 2018 ep to do the art for the album
i think the irony will be when the people who CREATE the AI are replaced by an AI. They need to slow down though.
This is why we went with a 3d artist to do our 3d sculpt for our video, that way we can get stills to use for cover art. However for inspiration and reference I used midjourney to create samples.
(DELETE IF NOT REQUIRED) ups... 😅
Despite the fact, that everyone is using it now, thus making it inherently unoriginal, the main issue is not the AI itself. It is that these tools use millions of illegally scraped art from all over the web, without the permission of the original rights owners.
If someone were to use these peoples music to be sampled into an "original" song, all hell would break lose.
Besides that ABR artwork has a freaking mickey mouse on it. Noone can tell me there has been done any sort of post work on it. Their illustrative artworks before that were really nice. That AI artwork just makes me sad.
I won’t listen to your music if it’s AI, sorry it’s such a no brainer.
The ABR art is atrocious come on lol
He said the album cover is AI, not the music
@@razurio2768 sorry I meant AI art
I don't mind AI cover art, but in videos I find that sometimes it takes away from the music, Periphery's new video for Atropos, I prefer listening to the song by itself and found the video to be really distracting
when its all said and done the art they chose looks better and the original artist seemed bummed but not mad soo idk why people are mad about this lol.
The one the artist did is too cartoonish tbh
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I love ai art, especially with what bands are able to do with it. But just don’t like the people behind it stealing artists work and purposefully trying to be harmful to them
Ai art works because it steal from real artists
@@antonsarz yeah but feeding it a specific artists work to make I generate something similar is why people are mad, because a lot of ai art is generated from any photo not someone else’s hand drawn artwork
Its cheaper and much faster, no way to put that genie back in the bottle at this point
AI will be the death of real art...
No it won't
im using midjourney for all my art, its pretty awesome
Your band will go nowhere.
I hate AI art lol .
( i know some can be wonderful.)
The sad part is that musicians as fellow creators should really know better than to support this. How will you feel when the same thing will happens with music in a few years?
I literally won’t care?
I think, at least I hope, it will eventually balance itselt. I used to play drums but don't have the place for a drum anymore, even an electronic one. So I use MIDI and VSTs to write and create drum tracks. It's longer than having an AI spit my tracks out, and it's less fun than doing it myself on a real drum, but in the end, it's more convenient and more tight. The last time I played on a real drum, I was rusty and not tight anymore. Probably because I lack practice a lot. But I won't hire a session drummer to make my tracks and rent a studio. I do music mostrly for myself it would be too expensive and I know how to write drum parts. And in the end, most drummers tend to time-align everything and compress drums to death on many modern albums. Then it sounds like a machine is playing anyway.
I think the advance of technology brings new tools. But there will always be people liking to create art "the old way". If someone likes to create music but has no talent to play guitar at all, if he can use a tool to craft great guitar parts, I think it's great. And it won't prevent me from creating guitar parts on my projects.
I've been thinking lately about Jason Becker and thinking that guys like him may be able to create stuff exactly the way they want without performing them physically. People can lose hands and arms. A painter who lost his hand may have the change to create stuff again if the tool allows to manifest what is on his mind. If it's not a robotic arm, it may be an AI tool.
We are thousands and millions having fun doing home recording. And most of us use plugins for mastering, and we time align stuff in pretty cheap workstations compared to studios. The sound guys are not needed anymore in that scenario. But big studios still exist and are used by many artists thant don't record in their basement.
Of course creating art where the main goal is to make money is what may be at risk with AI, but the goal to create art to satisfy the need to create something and share a story or a part of ourselves will not vanish with AI.
Even then, I'm still confused with myself if I would use an AI generated image or try to do something myself for an album cover. In the end it would just be to dodge the comments regarding an AI image. And the result would definitely not be as good as an AI image and I would not hire an artist anyway. 😕
I have a mixed opinion on this. I feel for smaller bands the big upside of AI art is the price. Releasing music is so expensive and usually the budget for an artwork is like 100 bucks for very small bands. And as a designer i can tell you that making an artwork for 100 is not fun, since it always feels rushed. Ai will prolly just destroy that price-class all together. However i do feel like it’s kinda lame when bigger bands use JUST Midjourney art. Like for instance the new ABR-cover looks so lazily put together and lacks any intention.
The art was dope, but that AI generation is fucking astounding.
I'm not going into the AI vs Artist debate, but what i find about AI generated images is it captures 'uncanny' really well. In some cases something gross looks even more gross, if it looks evil it looks even more evil. Humans work on what they personally know and do things very specifically, while AI creates art from everything its algorithm has to offer it, so it almost never has a specific 'style'. Human work almost always has a sort of completion and complexion to it, while AI has its uncanny valley in some cases to its advantage.
Who gives a shit let the band use the art that they want, no artist is entitled to have it their work be used. Having someone use your work is a privilege
It says a lot about the band that they wanna be respected as artists, but they will quickly throw visual artists under the bus. I say fuck any band that uses it.
People seem afraid of ai replacing them in art and music, but realistically even if ai art is "better" people are still gonna make art and music because they enjoy it
Unfortunately enjoyment doesn't pay the bills but I get your point
Using AI art for stuff is really useful just think, it saves money and it looks better than 90% of things made by a person
Be fr lmfao
yeah bro i love when the "art" has 15 fingers on a hand!
bruh what 😭😭
I use AI for coverart for my tracks. It's really cool, but I understand why people are against it.
Would artists get mad if bands drew their own art instead of using them?
Just disappointed and depressed.
@MarkCooperArt artists are disappointed and depressed anyway