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Hey Jeff, I bought my EV6 July ‘23 and have been charging at Tesla since. I’m in the Netherlands but it also works in Germany and Belgium Tesla chargers in my experience, simply excellent!
What kind of speeds are you getting over there with CCS2 and a higher voltage grid? Over here the Superchargers are limited to 460V, so our EV6s have to uprate to voltage to 697V (nominal), which means we only see ~80-90kW on Tesla Superchargers.
@@TheBradrulz V4 dispensers, but the cabinets supplying the power are all still V3, so they're V3+ internally. Once the cabinets are upgraded to V4 they should be able to support 1000V to match the dispensers. But with Elon firing the Supercharger team and only re-hiring a skeleton crew from the originals, who knows when this will finally happen...
Great news - thanks for the update!! I'm on my second Kia EV (1st was the Niro EV, 2nd is the EV6) and 6th Kia overall - love everything about the brand and their EV's and super exicted to see access to the Tesla network coming onboard!
Thanks for the great news! I’ll have to pick up the adapter from your link to get myself ready. I think 100 kW is just fine versus waiting an hour to charge during those holiday road trips.
Thank you Jeff for your video. Always enjoy your content . Although I don’t think there will be a distinction between Gen5w vs cnCc systems. Kia states anything older than their specified dates will have to buy. So that includes all the Kia ev6 with Gen5w systems. Just my 2 cents
Jeff, This is good news. I bought the Lectron adapter a couple of months ago. Have you heard anything about Tesla upgrading their V3’s to accommodate 800v EV’s?
Supposedly it's possible for the V3s to handle more voltage. I'm not sure if there's a process underway to make that happen though. That would be great.
Jeff after listening to state of charge Tom Malony and issues about the recall of the adapter by Ford from Tesla for CCS to NACS. I’ve made my decision. Thanks
Thank goodness! It sucks that there are so few, if any V4 superchargers in the U.S., because 100 kW isn’t ideal for traveling. Still I’ll take anything over EA at this point. We actually did a “race to Vegas” and rented a Model Y and Mach E from Turo near home in Salt Lake City, and raced those two cars against our EV6 GT-Line. The Y and Mach E easily beat the EV6 even with far worse charging curves because of supercharging. Also the EA network in Vegas is so overloaded with ride share drivers and clueless people, we waited three hours to charge our EV6. The Mach E and Model Y took about 10 a minute wait each in line at a busy supercharger.
As a courtesy I think Kia should provide the adapter to First Edition owners of the EV6 too. Just for brand loyalty reasons and as yet another "thank you" that im sure would go a long way. Im not a FE owner but its food for thought for them.
Jeff will you be using the A2Z NACS to CCs charger? I know Kia wants to make money but the A2Z company makes an excellent charger. T Kia says they will not provide a warranty if the is a problem with charging. Thoughts
I have the A2Z to test. I also will get a Kia one to test. We'll have to see which one I prefer, though I probably would prefer one that doesn't have warranty related potential issues.
It is great idea to charge my Kia EV6 2022 at Tesla supercharger network. I don't mind if is less than the platform 800v. Remember this, in case absolutely necessary it's much better charge the battery lowest rate as possible to keep the battery healthy and in good condition.
I just wrote to Kia (via the Kia website) asking them to consider supplying free Tesla supercharger charging adapters for Kia's earlier ev purchasers as a way of generating goodwill among Kia owners. We will see what happens. Jim
Jeff I would like to use the typhoon adapter for ccs to Tesla. Are you planning to use one? I believe it would be very safe because they are a very good company, especially when it comes to detail of their adapters. However, Kia will not hesitate to turn you away. If something goes wrong. What are your thoughts on this? I would really like to buy the A2Z adapter, thanks for your input. I know this is a difficult question.
As you've stated, the biggest problem is that EV6 and EV9 are 800V so they'll charge at less than 100 kW at Tesla Superchargers, and there is no date in sight for when Tesla will upgrade to V4 1000V.
Yeah I've heard that the V3s are capable of significantly higher voltage. I'm hopeful Tesla will be rolling out some sort of voltage increase in Q4 which is why Q1 is the planned date for Kia access. That would be HUGE.
Even at only 100 kw I’m still happy to have access to several thousands more charging infrastructure. Knowing full well the entire American charging infrastructure is only going to get better sooner rather than later, I’m gladly taking the gift we’ve been given! 😎
Agree - the slow charging on a Tesla supercharger makes it questionable when I’d bother. I’ve used a Tesla supercharger w a MagicDock near us just to try it out and never went above 90kw. 2022 EV6 AWD Wind. Of course, that’s worthwhile if the only CCS options were 50kw or a Level 2 J1772 I suppose.
I called my dealer a they are not for sale yet. To early but I wanted to beat the rush, have you heard when adapters will be for sale? Thanks I can get A2Z faster
Will the EV6s require a software update to use the Tesla Superchargers? I know that my Mach E required an update but I can’t remember if it was just to update the location of stations in the navigation software.
@@TechnicallyJeffexpensive is relative of course. Imo they're expensive. $200+ for a passive adapter is overpriced imo compared to all other related options. For example I got a Tesla to J1772 adapter for non supercharging of course. It's rated at 80A and it was around $45 or so. Some are even cheaper like around $20 but rated at 30A or so. I understand that these superchargers are more powerful but does it really warrant 4x+ the price? That being said if I do get one it would just be for a backup due to how much slower it is to charge. Not only that they will jack up the prices for non Telsa cars as well just for the privilege. EA is already super expensive and gouging people as they know what they have right now. It doesn't help that I live in CA as well. 😊 This adapter should've been free as eventually everything will be NACS and not CCS anymore.
Yeah I get what you're saying. Personally I think $200 is decent considering the voltage/amperage they are rated for. They also have better quality. And yeah I'll use it as a backup too. EA has been fine for me and charges quicker.
If it's like other OEMs (Ford, GM, etc), they'll say you should use their adapter. The Ford/GM adapter are the same and made by Tesla and not too expensive. I think it's around $225. That said, others like A2Z and Lectron should work fine. But if there is damage to the vehicle, Kia may deny warranty claim if it wasn't the official adapter in use.
@@TechnicallyJeff Considering the EV6 charging port temperature issues (granted on L2, not HVDC) I will probably invest in the official supported adapter. 100KW is a LOT of power. For perspective, most single-family homes in the US only have a 200A circuit breaker for their feed from the utility. at 240V that's 'only' 48KW. And we're talking twice that, through a little adapter. I'd hate to go into a store and come back to see my charging port smoking, or worse.
While I agree, remember the charge port issues are related to AC charging, not DC charging. I haven't heard of a single issue with DC charging temps. And the vehicle monitors temperatures and would throttle speed if it did see a spike.
I assume that Kia's adapters will come from Tesla (not sure). If Tesla is 'making' the authorized adapters, why can't these be purchased from Tesla? Or are they just the distributor of Lectron and/or A2Z adapters? Just wondering ...
They will likely be made by Tesla, like the Ford/GM/Rivian ones. I'm not sure why Tesla doesn't offer them directly through them, but probably something with the agreement with OEMs.
@@TechnicallyJeff If you have a GM EV (I also own a '23 Bolt EUV), the ones backordered via GM/Chevy look exactly like the Lectron Vortex. I suspect they are the same, but not sure why they're backordered, as the Lectron Vortex is readily available elsewhere, unless a mass order is in the works for GM.
Got it, so it sounds like it may be best etiquette to try and find the right-most supercharger stall and park to the right without blocking traffic@@TechnicallyJeff
Is the 400V to 800V slowdown primarily a software issue or hardware, and if it could be fixed by software is it Kia or Tesla who needs to do it? What is the theoretical max power one could get out of a V3 charger with an 800V car like the EV6 if the software was perfect? I heard someone from the UK say they were able to get 150 kW... As an aside, it would be really nice if Kia also updated their infotainment system for the EV6 to have wireless AA and Carplay in the Jan 2025 update. But maybe I'm delusional.
From what I understand, the V3 supercharger is software limited to about 500v. Supposedly they can do up to 1000v, so hopefully one day we'll get it enabled and get faster charging. I'm hoping for it in Q4 which is why the date is pushed to January 15th.
Yeah I recently bought an Equinox EV and just got access to the Supercharger and it works great on my vehicle. The only downside is the cables are really short. The one location I went to had a parking stump 2ft away from the charger so I had to park sideways in order to charge. Was definitely not ideal at all and I really hope Tesla can get the V4 stalls and cabinets rolling for 2025 as right now there isn't any V4s near me. But it did provide the fastest charging speeds compared to the other DC fast charger that was supposed to do 120kw but was derated to 12kw and 56kw on the other stall. The reliability on other DC fast chargers is really bad.
Yeah I'll be definitely interested in how it all works with Kia EVs when support rolls out. I do wonder if it being pushed out almost 4 months means Tesla is trying to get something implemented to increase voltage by the end of Q4.
@@TechnicallyJeff I really hope so, also my sister has a 2024 Kia EV6 but she got it in June so no free adapter for her. But GM also didn't give any of us adapters and wanted $225 for an inferior adapter compared to the A2Z Typhoon.
If they didn’t get 800v working for Cybertrucks they certainly aren’t going to put a rush on for EGMP vehicles. And when they do start moving to 800v it’s going to be a multi year project. I can live with the occasional 96kw charging session for a while (most likely a few years).
A2Z adapter is alive now and the Tesla adapter is sometimes back ordered and the manufacturer cannot keep up especially as we get closer to the date! 🎉
Yay we can finally charge at a measly 60kwh 😢. I’ve never seen the 100kw charging you mention. The videos I’ve seen of EV6 on magic docks are around 60. I guess it’s better than not being able to charge but definitely the last option for me on a trip. Also lame we have to pay for the adapter while other manufacturers are giving them for free no matter the year.
Those limited to that low of a kW must have been early on. Most have been seeing about 97 kW which isn't horrible. And yeah last option for me too, but still good to have. I will say, GM is making their owners pay for the adapter.
@@TechnicallyJeff yeah my friend and parents have a ford EV and they get theirs for free so yeah. Just would be a nice gesture to keep customers to potentially buy another car from them. I’ve been way more impressed with how ford is taking care of their customers with updates and free adapters vs other companies. So my next EV might be a ford due to that. My parents are still getting major updates and they have one of the first mustangs. Kia seems like they don’t care as much about the previous cars anymore. Just my take.
Yeah same here. Ford has been doing well with updates and taking care of EV owners. I just wish they had faster charging and more options. An F150 lighting with a Silverado EV battery pack and charging speeds would sell me on it.
We already have access in the UK and it’s great, cheaper than the competition but limited to about 97kwh due to the car’s architecture. Still a decent speed tho’.
I am also in UK and regularly charge my EV6 at both V3 and V4 Tesla superchargers and can confirm you get 97kw at both and it stays consistent right up to 80+% then tails off for the last 10, so a little slower than some competition but worth it as price per kWh is about half also Tesla now has good national coverage for non Tesla cars.
While the V4 dispensers solve the cable reach issue, you will need to wait for the actual V4 cabinets to get more than 100 KW. Still a great day... ...to come.
I'm sure that would a bit pricey installing a retrofit port plus the cost to update existing home changing to a new adapter. No need to, unless you plan to buy another car with the new adapters.
I was using a 50kw Volta charger for free quite often so this will be lightning quick by comparison 😆 I'm not sure how often I'll use it though I do appreciate that we will have significantly more options available which makes the thought of longer road trips more palatable.
Interesting that NIRO EV, Kona, and the Original Ioniq are not mentioned (Yet?) . They would be more compatible at Tesla's DC voltage. Similar architecture GM Bolt is CCS1 compatible on V3. After reading the release, I see they only discuss the EV6 and 9 in relation to free adapters and charging access. Lots of time to sometime in 2025.
Why is it necessary to wait until January 2025 if third party adapters are already available? Will our vehicles need a software upgrade to be able to use the Tesla charger?
We will need a software update for the infotainment system. I'm not sure about for the physical ability to charge, though I don't think so. They probably will want us to use only Kia (Tesla) adapters, though 3rd party should work. I'm hopeful Tesla may be rolling out some sort of voltage boost in Q4 to make 800v vehicles like the EV6/EV9/Ioniq 5/etc charge quicker.
@@TechnicallyJeff often, when traveling on I95, I have found the Electrify America 150 kw chargers run faster than the 350 kw chargers. If that's the case, wouldn't the 100 kw Tesla chargers be almost as fast?
You have to wait because Elon says so. Everything is technically in place, but the Tesla supercharger software currently blocks all CCS cars except for Ford, Rivian, and most recently GM. It’s just a flag in the Tesla server. On Jan 15 Tesla will flip the (virtual) switch. If you go to a magic dock Supercharger you can charge your car right now because it’s already enabled at those locations, but those are few and far between.
The 150 kW chargers generally are 175 units, just listed as 150. They are definitely quick. Charging at 175 kW is definitely quicker than 97ish kW. But with the size of our battery pack, it won't be a huge difference in total time.
I think it's more than Elon says so. There are agreements with manufacturers and I'm sure Kia/Hyundai want to start getting adapters to customers first so people aren't just purchasing a bunch of 3rd party adapters.
Today I took my EV6 for a longer roadtrip. OMG how lousy the navigation system is! The built in route planner is useless! The car wanted me to charge at 66 % SOC!!!! And next time as 33 %! Never below 20 %!!! I never want to charge above 10 %. Give me an icon for manual heating for the battery (DC battery charging optimisation). This has to be fixed ASAP! How can a random swedish dude be better at this than Kia/Hyundai engineers!? Yes I am referring to A Better Route Planner App…
Yeah that's not ideal. Probably around $200-250 based on the cost of the GM one. There's also the A2Z and Lectron options. I have an affiliate account with A2Z and using promo code techjeff brings it to $177 which isn't horrible.
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Hey Jeff, I bought my EV6 July ‘23 and have been charging at Tesla since. I’m in the Netherlands but it also works in Germany and Belgium Tesla chargers in my experience, simply excellent!
Glad to hear it! Can't wait to have a comparable experience in the US.
What kind of speeds are you getting over there with CCS2 and a higher voltage grid? Over here the Superchargers are limited to 460V, so our EV6s have to uprate to voltage to 697V (nominal), which means we only see ~80-90kW on Tesla Superchargers.
So far at the Tesla chargers I haven’t gotten more than 97KW even on the V4 chargers
Yeah it seems like that's the same everywhere
@@TheBradrulz V4 dispensers, but the cabinets supplying the power are all still V3, so they're V3+ internally.
Once the cabinets are upgraded to V4 they should be able to support 1000V to match the dispensers. But with Elon firing the Supercharger team and only re-hiring a skeleton crew from the originals, who knows when this will finally happen...
Great news - thanks for the update!! I'm on my second Kia EV (1st was the Niro EV, 2nd is the EV6) and 6th Kia overall - love everything about the brand and their EV's and super exicted to see access to the Tesla network coming onboard!
That's awesome. My first EV was a Niro EV too, then my last EV6, and now my current. Definitely great vehicles.
This definitely changes the game. Access to the Tesla network is gigantic.
Yeah definitely big news
Thanks for the great news! I’ll have to pick up the adapter from your link to get myself ready. I think 100 kW is just fine versus waiting an hour to charge during those holiday road trips.
Yep I agree
Thank you Jeff for your video. Always enjoy your content . Although I don’t think there will be a distinction between Gen5w vs cnCc systems. Kia states anything older than their specified dates will have to buy. So that includes all the Kia ev6 with Gen5w systems.
Just my 2 cents
Thank you! Yeah we'll still get access. I was more speaking regarding making payments directly in the gen5w infotainment system.
@@TechnicallyJeff ah ok !! Sorry I mis heard
No problem!
Omg I am dying for that to happen soon. It will make my road trips even better heheeh
Yeah it will definitely be nice to finally have this as an option
Jeff, This is good news. I bought the Lectron adapter a couple of months ago. Have you heard anything about Tesla upgrading their V3’s to accommodate 800v EV’s?
Supposedly it's possible for the V3s to handle more voltage. I'm not sure if there's a process underway to make that happen though. That would be great.
Jeff after listening to state of charge Tom Malony and issues about the recall of the adapter by Ford from Tesla for CCS to NACS. I’ve made my decision.
Thanks
That's good. What's your decision?
@@TechnicallyJeff a2z
nice
Thank goodness! It sucks that there are so few, if any V4 superchargers in the U.S., because 100 kW isn’t ideal for traveling. Still I’ll take anything over EA at this point.
We actually did a “race to Vegas” and rented a Model Y and Mach E from Turo near home in Salt Lake City, and raced those two cars against our EV6 GT-Line. The Y and Mach E easily beat the EV6 even with far worse charging curves because of supercharging.
Also the EA network in Vegas is so overloaded with ride share drivers and clueless people, we waited three hours to charge our EV6. The Mach E and Model Y took about 10 a minute wait each in line at a busy supercharger.
Wow that's crazy. Yeah 100 kW isn't great, but it's not horrible. Hopefully more V4s roll out soon and the increased voltage really helps.
As a courtesy I think Kia should provide the adapter to First Edition owners of the EV6 too. Just for brand loyalty reasons and as yet another "thank you" that im sure would go a long way.
Im not a FE owner but its food for thought for them.
Yeah that's a good point. Could reach out to Kia and suggest that.
Jeff will you be using the A2Z NACS to CCs charger? I know Kia wants to make money but the A2Z company makes an excellent charger. T Kia says they will not provide a warranty if the is a problem with charging. Thoughts
I have the A2Z to test. I also will get a Kia one to test. We'll have to see which one I prefer, though I probably would prefer one that doesn't have warranty related potential issues.
It is great idea to charge my Kia EV6 2022 at Tesla supercharger network. I don't mind if is less than the platform 800v. Remember this, in case absolutely necessary it's much better charge the battery lowest rate as possible to keep the battery healthy and in good condition.
Yeah that's a good point. And 100 kW isn't really slow.
I just wrote to Kia (via the Kia website) asking them to consider supplying free Tesla supercharger charging adapters for Kia's earlier ev purchasers as a way of generating goodwill among Kia owners. We will see what happens. Jim
That would be really nice of them to go that. Hopefully they do 🤞
@@TechnicallyJeff Wouldn't hold my breath.
yeah me either haha
Jeff I would like to use the typhoon adapter for ccs to Tesla. Are you planning to use one? I believe it would be very safe because they are a very good company, especially when it comes to detail of their adapters. However, Kia will not hesitate to turn you away. If something goes wrong. What are your thoughts on this? I would really like to buy the A2Z adapter, thanks for your input. I know this is a difficult question.
I like the A2Z. It's ultimately up to each person I suppose. It does get complicated if something happens though.
As you've stated, the biggest problem is that EV6 and EV9 are 800V so they'll charge at less than 100 kW at Tesla Superchargers, and there is no date in sight for when Tesla will upgrade to V4 1000V.
Yeah I've heard that the V3s are capable of significantly higher voltage. I'm hopeful Tesla will be rolling out some sort of voltage increase in Q4 which is why Q1 is the planned date for Kia access. That would be HUGE.
Even at only 100 kw I’m still happy to have access to several thousands more charging infrastructure. Knowing full well the entire American charging infrastructure is only going to get better sooner rather than later, I’m gladly taking the gift we’ve been given! 😎
Yeah same here
Agree - the slow charging on a Tesla supercharger makes it questionable when I’d bother. I’ve used a Tesla supercharger w a MagicDock near us just to try it out and never went above 90kw. 2022 EV6 AWD Wind. Of course, that’s worthwhile if the only CCS options were 50kw or a Level 2 J1772 I suppose.
I called my dealer a they are not for sale yet. To early but I wanted to beat the rush, have you heard when adapters will be for sale? Thanks I can get A2Z faster
Yeah I think the official ones will be available in a few months.
Will the EV6s require a software update to use the Tesla Superchargers? I know that my Mach E required an update but I can’t remember if it was just to update the location of stations in the navigation software.
I think the EV6 will just need an infotainment system update to show the charger locations.
THANKS!!!!!!!! Shame to have to purchase adaptor!
Yeah, luckily it won't be crazy expensive
@@TechnicallyJeffexpensive is relative of course. Imo they're expensive. $200+ for a passive adapter is overpriced imo compared to all other related options. For example I got a Tesla to J1772 adapter for non supercharging of course. It's rated at 80A and it was around $45 or so. Some are even cheaper like around $20 but rated at 30A or so. I understand that these superchargers are more powerful but does it really warrant 4x+ the price?
That being said if I do get one it would just be for a backup due to how much slower it is to charge. Not only that they will jack up the prices for non Telsa cars as well just for the privilege. EA is already super expensive and gouging people as they know what they have right now. It doesn't help that I live in CA as well. 😊 This adapter should've been free as eventually everything will be NACS and not CCS anymore.
Yeah I get what you're saying. Personally I think $200 is decent considering the voltage/amperage they are rated for. They also have better quality. And yeah I'll use it as a backup too. EA has been fine for me and charges quicker.
Yes!!!!
Yesss
Is that date the same for Canada?
Great question. I haven't seen anything on the Canada side yet.
According to Drive Tesla Canada... we're out of luck as "Plans are still being finalized for the Canadian market at this time"
That's a bummer
I read through the press release and didn't see it, but do you know anything about older Niros? Sounds like I'll need a software update.
Yeah good point. I haven't seen anything about it but I'm hopeful it will be all Kias, not just new ones.
Jeff do you have a discount code for A2Z adapters ccs to NACS?
Yeah TECHJEFF
Hang on, I could charge my EV6 in Superchargers from day 1 in the EU (albeit at 150KW maximum).
Why did it take so long in the USA? Genuinely curious.
Different charging port
Will you be able to buy just any NACS > CCS adapter or will you have to get some Kia-specific adapter only sold by Kia at some unusually high price?
If it's like other OEMs (Ford, GM, etc), they'll say you should use their adapter. The Ford/GM adapter are the same and made by Tesla and not too expensive. I think it's around $225. That said, others like A2Z and Lectron should work fine. But if there is damage to the vehicle, Kia may deny warranty claim if it wasn't the official adapter in use.
@@TechnicallyJeff Considering the EV6 charging port temperature issues (granted on L2, not HVDC) I will probably invest in the official supported adapter. 100KW is a LOT of power. For perspective, most single-family homes in the US only have a 200A circuit breaker for their feed from the utility. at 240V that's 'only' 48KW. And we're talking twice that, through a little adapter. I'd hate to go into a store and come back to see my charging port smoking, or worse.
While I agree, remember the charge port issues are related to AC charging, not DC charging. I haven't heard of a single issue with DC charging temps. And the vehicle monitors temperatures and would throttle speed if it did see a spike.
Do you know which NACS to ccs adapter Kia is selling?
It's likely they will sell the same one made by Tesla that Ford/GM/Rivian have.
Personally I like the A2Z reviewed by state of charge
Yeah I have it, just haven't been able to test it yet. It feels really solid.
I assume that Kia's adapters will come from Tesla (not sure). If Tesla is 'making' the authorized adapters, why can't these be purchased from Tesla? Or are they just the distributor of Lectron and/or A2Z adapters? Just wondering ...
They will likely be made by Tesla, like the Ford/GM/Rivian ones. I'm not sure why Tesla doesn't offer them directly through them, but probably something with the agreement with OEMs.
@@TechnicallyJeff If you have a GM EV (I also own a '23 Bolt EUV), the ones backordered via GM/Chevy look exactly like the Lectron Vortex. I suspect they are the same, but not sure why they're backordered, as the Lectron Vortex is readily available elsewhere, unless a mass order is in the works for GM.
interesting
This is great-- now we just need extension cables for our rear passenger side charging ports....
Whats the protocol for this at stalls?
Yeah that would be nice. Right now we have to take up 2 stalls.
Got it, so it sounds like it may be best etiquette to try and find the right-most supercharger stall and park to the right without blocking traffic@@TechnicallyJeff
At the newer v4 Superchargers the cables are long enough so this isn’t a problem. But there aren’t that many v4 locations yet.
@jamesrea329 got it, looking forward to testing this!
Yes that's exactly right. And like @jamesrea239 said, V4 cables are long enough so as more roll out there, it will be less and less of an issue.
Is the 400V to 800V slowdown primarily a software issue or hardware, and if it could be fixed by software is it Kia or Tesla who needs to do it? What is the theoretical max power one could get out of a V3 charger with an 800V car like the EV6 if the software was perfect? I heard someone from the UK say they were able to get 150 kW...
As an aside, it would be really nice if Kia also updated their infotainment system for the EV6 to have wireless AA and Carplay in the Jan 2025 update. But maybe I'm delusional.
From what I understand, the V3 supercharger is software limited to about 500v. Supposedly they can do up to 1000v, so hopefully one day we'll get it enabled and get faster charging. I'm hoping for it in Q4 which is why the date is pushed to January 15th.
Yeah I recently bought an Equinox EV and just got access to the Supercharger and it works great on my vehicle. The only downside is the cables are really short. The one location I went to had a parking stump 2ft away from the charger so I had to park sideways in order to charge. Was definitely not ideal at all and I really hope Tesla can get the V4 stalls and cabinets rolling for 2025 as right now there isn't any V4s near me. But it did provide the fastest charging speeds compared to the other DC fast charger that was supposed to do 120kw but was derated to 12kw and 56kw on the other stall. The reliability on other DC fast chargers is really bad.
Yeah I'll be definitely interested in how it all works with Kia EVs when support rolls out. I do wonder if it being pushed out almost 4 months means Tesla is trying to get something implemented to increase voltage by the end of Q4.
@@TechnicallyJeff I really hope so, also my sister has a 2024 Kia EV6 but she got it in June so no free adapter for her. But GM also didn't give any of us adapters and wanted $225 for an inferior adapter compared to the A2Z Typhoon.
Yeah very interesting. I don't think the Ford/GM (Tesla) one is bad, but I do wish it was free.
@@TechnicallyJeff the locking mechanism is much more innovative with only having one button and pushing hard unlatches it from the NACS connector.
If they didn’t get 800v working for Cybertrucks they certainly aren’t going to put a rush on for EGMP vehicles. And when they do start moving to 800v it’s going to be a multi year project. I can live with the occasional 96kw charging session for a while (most likely a few years).
Hopefully the adapters from KIA won't be too expensive. Would be interested in seeing reviews on the cheaper alternatives as they become available.
Yeah I'm assuming it will be like the Ford/GM adapter made by Tesla. Probably around $200-250.
A2Z adapter is alive now and the Tesla adapter is sometimes back ordered and the manufacturer cannot keep up especially as we get closer to the date! 🎉
yeah
Yay we can finally charge at a measly 60kwh 😢. I’ve never seen the 100kw charging you mention. The videos I’ve seen of EV6 on magic docks are around 60. I guess it’s better than not being able to charge but definitely the last option for me on a trip. Also lame we have to pay for the adapter while other manufacturers are giving them for free no matter the year.
Those limited to that low of a kW must have been early on. Most have been seeing about 97 kW which isn't horrible. And yeah last option for me too, but still good to have. I will say, GM is making their owners pay for the adapter.
@@TechnicallyJeff yeah my friend and parents have a ford EV and they get theirs for free so yeah. Just would be a nice gesture to keep customers to potentially buy another car from them. I’ve been way more impressed with how ford is taking care of their customers with updates and free adapters vs other companies. So my next EV might be a ford due to that. My parents are still getting major updates and they have one of the first mustangs. Kia seems like they don’t care as much about the previous cars anymore. Just my take.
Yeah same here. Ford has been doing well with updates and taking care of EV owners. I just wish they had faster charging and more options. An F150 lighting with a Silverado EV battery pack and charging speeds would sell me on it.
I'm confused. I've seen videos where people were charging KIAs at superchargers several months ago.
The only way to do it currently is using a "magic dock" tesla supercharger which has an adapter built in and is unlocked.
I wonder if Jan 15 2025 will coincide with the release of the EV6/EV9 2025 models equipped with the NACS connector 🤔
I'm thinking it will be around that timeframe
We already have access in the UK and it’s great, cheaper than the competition but limited to about 97kwh due to the car’s architecture. Still a decent speed tho’.
Yeah 97 kw isn't horrible
I am also in UK and regularly charge my EV6 at both V3 and V4 Tesla superchargers and can confirm you get 97kw at both and it stays consistent right up to 80+% then tails off for the last 10, so a little slower than some competition but worth it as price per kWh is about half also Tesla now has good national coverage for non Tesla cars.
Very interesting
While the V4 dispensers solve the cable reach issue, you will need to wait for the actual V4 cabinets to get more than 100 KW.
Still a great day... ...to come.
Yep yep
Wish they could come out with a replacement port instead of having to get an adaptor.
Yeah that'd be much more significant of a change though. The 2025 will have NACS though.
I'm sure that would a bit pricey installing a retrofit port plus the cost to update existing home changing to a new adapter.
No need to, unless you plan to buy another car with the new adapters.
Yeah
It will be interesting to see if Kia EVs hold 100 KW through almost all of the pack or not. 100 KW isn’t terrible if it is sustained the entire time.
@@LearningFast I'm pretty sure the magic dock sites does hold 100kw the whole time.
Yeah the 100 kW should be achievable all the way up to around 85% or so from what I remember. Possibly even higher.
@@TechnicallyJeff I'll definitely tell you right now it'll be a better charging curve than my Equinox EV from my testing.
Yeah the E-GMP vehicles have a phenomenal charging curve.
I was using a 50kw Volta charger for free quite often so this will be lightning quick by comparison 😆 I'm not sure how often I'll use it though I do appreciate that we will have significantly more options available which makes the thought of longer road trips more palatable.
Avaliable now
lol i got it
Interesting that NIRO EV, Kona, and the Original Ioniq are not mentioned (Yet?) . They would be more compatible at Tesla's DC voltage. Similar architecture GM Bolt is CCS1 compatible on V3.
After reading the release, I see they only discuss the EV6 and 9 in relation to free adapters and charging access. Lots of time to sometime in 2025.
Yeah hopefully they won't leave them out.
Yeah I think all Kias will likely have access, not just specific models, but that's a good question.
Why is it necessary to wait until January 2025 if third party adapters are already available? Will our vehicles need a software upgrade to be able to use the Tesla charger?
We will need a software update for the infotainment system. I'm not sure about for the physical ability to charge, though I don't think so. They probably will want us to use only Kia (Tesla) adapters, though 3rd party should work. I'm hopeful Tesla may be rolling out some sort of voltage boost in Q4 to make 800v vehicles like the EV6/EV9/Ioniq 5/etc charge quicker.
@@TechnicallyJeff often, when traveling on I95, I have found the Electrify America 150 kw chargers run faster than the 350 kw chargers. If that's the case, wouldn't the 100 kw Tesla chargers be almost as fast?
You have to wait because Elon says so. Everything is technically in place, but the Tesla supercharger software currently blocks all CCS cars except for Ford, Rivian, and most recently GM. It’s just a flag in the Tesla server. On Jan 15 Tesla will flip the (virtual) switch. If you go to a magic dock Supercharger you can charge your car right now because it’s already enabled at those locations, but those are few and far between.
The 150 kW chargers generally are 175 units, just listed as 150. They are definitely quick. Charging at 175 kW is definitely quicker than 97ish kW. But with the size of our battery pack, it won't be a huge difference in total time.
I think it's more than Elon says so. There are agreements with manufacturers and I'm sure Kia/Hyundai want to start getting adapters to customers first so people aren't just purchasing a bunch of 3rd party adapters.
Today I took my EV6 for a longer roadtrip. OMG how lousy the navigation system is! The built in route planner is useless! The car wanted me to charge at 66 % SOC!!!! And next time as 33 %! Never below 20 %!!! I never want to charge above 10 %. Give me an icon for manual heating for the battery (DC battery charging optimisation). This has to be fixed ASAP! How can a random swedish dude be better at this than Kia/Hyundai engineers!? Yes I am referring to A Better Route Planner App…
Yeah they've made improvements, but its certainly not ideal... Hopefully it continues to improve.
ABRP isn’t a random Swedish dude (at least not any more), it’s owned by Rivian.
@@jamesrea329 Random Swedish dude is rich now!
ABRP started off as a project within the Tesla Club Sweden community.
@@TechnicallyJeffI do hope that they improve swiftly! Catastrophic!!
Haha yeah and then got bought by Rivian
Total BS that they aren't providing an adapter to those of us that were the first purchasers. Wonder how much this is gonna cost me? $200? $300?
Yeah that's not ideal. Probably around $200-250 based on the cost of the GM one. There's also the A2Z and Lectron options. I have an affiliate account with A2Z and using promo code techjeff brings it to $177 which isn't horrible.
Tesla's charging stations are already great, but the ones we make are also very good
You make some?