WOW! Thanks for that! I did not know that. I even asked my brother that is a Tesla driver and wasn't sure if people could access the internet from the site itself. That is a big deal!
@@theaverageev So, when you are in front of a tesla charger and not getting service on 5G, you can get on tesla wifi right there in front of the charger to be able to access the app? How do you get on the Wifi in front of a supercharger...find it and then enter a password??
Just used Tesla Supercharger in Kelso, wa. Last night. Used car screen to activate the charging. 40% in 20 minutes. $15. Received email confirmation from onstar.
I did a spot check of a bunch of Super Chargers on the Tesla App (in the northeast where I live and travel). Member prices are mainly 42 cents and non-member 55 cents (only one, in a casino didn’t match this). So with a 13 cents difference you’d have to charge 100kw to make the membership worthwhile. Which is doable if you’re road tripping. I think at most I might activate it for a month if I decide to take a long trip then cancel when I get home.
As a new Tesla owner I think this is great, its a huge step towards standardizing the DCFS industry that should help build out the infrastructure more and drive down costs to charge!
Thanks for the info. My friend is considering an EV (non- Tesla) and is concerned about CCS charging availability/reliability. I’ve proudly shared about those issues not existing (in my experience) in the Teslasphere.
@@Rusty1220AND I’ve never been to a Super Charger and found even one cabinet out of order. That was definitely NOT my experience when we drove a non-Tesla and used EVgo or others.
Really useful takeaways for GM EV owners, thanks Tyler. I wonder how many owners even know they're building up MyChevy reward points? Good to know that they can be used for something genuinely useful like this.
Awesome news. I'm a new blazer ev owner and love ur videos. I prefer EVgo chargers. Road tripped from Wisconsin to Texas and used Electrify America, Francis Energy, and EVgo, and EVgo by far amazing. Avoid Francis. Terrible. So happy we got Tesla as an option now!
I am brand brand new to having an EV. I have an Equinox. How do you find out where an evgo charger is? I’ve used the app in my truck, but I’m so lost as to what chargers are where. I’ve been charging at home so far, but it’s getting colder here in Wisconsin and I’m shocked at how fast my battery is draining. So I was looking into the fast or quick charger.
Have any of you noticed that not all of the V3 Superchargers show up when you go to the Tesla app, click on "Charge Your Other EV", and then you see the map and the list of V3 chargers and there are just some missing. I noticed that one of the missing had a mixture of V2 and V3 chargers while the one that showed up was all V3. I need to verify with other chargers to see it thats consistent.
I just checked the two sites I know of off the top of my head. Both are Tesla only. All of the V3 were never going to be available. Makes sense to leave these sites out to avoid confusion for non-Tesla drivers.
@@theaverageev I think I figured it out. If a Supercharger station has V3 pumps only then it will show up on the map BUT if it has a mix of V2 and V3 pumps it will NOT show up on the map.
I have a F150 Lightning and I usually charge about 10 KW faster on Tesla when initially plugging than I do with a similar SOC on CCS chargers so that's a bonus. Also Plug and Charge with Ford is nice but in order to have membership pricing with Tesla you have to activate it only through the Tesla app that doesn't work with Plug and Charge. Great video as usual 👍
Good commentary, glad to see it’s working well for you and other GM EV owners. Driver’s rear, driver’s rear, driver’s rear. @GM, when you design your next EV, put the charge port on the driver’s rear end please (Silverado EV for example). Easier to utilize without screwing up the rhythm of people who want to use Tesla chargers. As we move fwd, these particular locations are just going to get busier and busier.
GM needs to do better, GM parts department at my local dealer could not even tell me what kind of adapter i need for new Equinox to use at Tesla Super Chargers or if i need a completely different adapter to use my tesla home charger. Highly disappointed with GM🤬
@@csnyder23Well my seller was good, mngr not at all.💯my complaint is against GM selling the Equinox 2025 without at least a level one charger for the new owners venturing into this technology, prior to my Equinox i owned a tesla for 6 1/2 yrs so i knew what i was getting into, so once i found out about the not included home charger i went directly to parts department to buy an adapter so i could use my home tesla charger and no one at service department knew what i was asking for not helpful at all. This is how they constantly lose new buyers and delay the EV adoption timeline.
One of the local dealers here in LA read me the riot act about third party adapters and said that if there problems chevy would invalidate the battery warranty...I just got the certified adapter and it's not that well made...hard to plug in and remove from the charging port...it sticks...but I'll use it to keep the battery warranty valid.
The verbiage is very wishy washy from GM about adapters. They use the term "may" a lot. Like I said in the video the safest option is to use the approved adapters until the Lectron and A2Z are officially certified under UL2252.
Just purchased an Equinox and this was a HUGE selling point for me! By any chance do you have a link for the approved adapter you couldn’t share? I see so many options and do not want to accidentally order the wrong one. Thanks!! ☺️
@@JazzieHC The approved adapter is ordered in the may myChevrolet app. You go to the circle with your initials, then click public charging. There you will activate the Tesla access and can order the Tesla adapter for GM. If you want to go for the A2Z Typhoon Pro adapter the link is in the description of this video!
They are not as plentiful, but the GM Energy sites work pretty well. They have plug and charge and the two that I have used say they go up to 350 kw. I have used it for my Bolt EUV (RIP) and even with my Model Y it works great
The GM app is garbage. Not only is it slow, but the interface and menu system makes no sense. If I was teaching my grandma how to charge their GM vehicle, I certainly wouldn’t direct them to the GM app.
Your math is a bit fuzzy. Paying $12-13 a month to subscribe to the Tesla app only makes sense if you dcfc a lot. How much was it to charge on Tesla without the membership would have been more relevant. I assume it was the same charge as GM but it wasnt clear in this video
Three 10-80% charges is the breakeven. The GM and Tesla price are the same for non-member. The membership is 25% off for the most part. So if you have to charge more than 4 times a month the membership is wort it. Sorry I wasn't more clear about the logistics of that. If you only charge once or twice a month in public it isn't worth the membership. I will likely only get it for the summer or any other road-trips I do!
@@theaverageev So can you just subscribe to the Tesla membership for a month at a time? I did that with EA on a recent road trip for one month only and then went back to the normal membership.
@@theaverageev BINGO! With my Tesla I only subscribe to FSD as needed. No problem if I'm doing a long road trip to use the same for the membership. Yep...I'm dumping the Tesla.
I have an A2Z adapter and the Lectron both. In my opinion the Lectron is the easier one to use. the A2Z has a slider button on the Tesla side that is hard to acuate. I have to put the face of the adapter into the concrete curb and push the NACS side with both hands to get it in far enough to lock that switch. Its definitely not one handed. The Lectron is much smoother to operate.
Unfortunately, they are two different adapters. The charger you have is for superchargers. It will not work for level 2. You need a Tesla to j1772 adapter.
Also, the app itself will not show Super Chargers. I wondered how this would work, and you answered it (Blazer driver). I live in Apple Valley, CA & Tesla has a ton of chargers in Hesperia & Victorville; I mostly charge at home, but when going to Inland Empire, San Gabriel Valley, or L.A., most non-Tesla chargers are always packed. I think the reason for that is people can’t charge at home.
It's especially great for Ultium vehicles like yours, the ones that are only looking for 150 kW. But cars that have a higher nominal kW charging speed might be disappointed because Tesla isn't going to give you the amperage you need to reach your maximum speeds. Awesome development, however, all the way around. I drive a Ford, and plug & charge with Tesla is quick and easy. Lucky for me, I don't really need DC charging at all.
I just got my equinox ev yesterday. I have ordered the official adapter from gm store. But the nacs toggle is missing on my radio maps. Checked for updates and show up to date. I will have to make a appointment to have the dealership check it out.
I have free charging on my Cadillac Lyriq for 2 years In my 3rd year I can charge at home. Being able to use TESLA charging makes me feel much more comfortable about road trips.
Once GM adopts NACS do you think they will be smart enough to place the port either on the drivers rear side or the passengers front side so taking up two slots will not be an issue? We can only hope.
Great video. I have a Chevy Equinox 3LT EV and so far like it very much. Will always charge it at home. After watching this video and the State of Charge one - even with Tesla charging on the road it is too much of a hassle. I take long trips with my Subaru Outback and get about 550 miles per fillup and it takes less than 5 minutes to fill it up.
I don't think GM supports Plug & Charge simply because their vehicles currently don't support the latest ISO 15118. They only support the AutoCharge(Plug AND Charge) implementation. Once the V2H implementation (ISO 15118-20) is ratified then I think GM may get support for it.
Owings Mills MD? Do you do business with Motorweek or know John Davis? I realize it's a high populous area being a suburb of Baltimore, but growing up watching Motorweek put that city on the map for me.
Leaving on a roadtrip right now! It is currently 27 Fahrenheit, so I am going to get some decent cold weather impressions. Once it is consistently cold where I live, I am going to do a few videos on cold weather! So stay tuned!
Last week at Mt Laurel NJ magic dock V3.5 site I saw 402V and 488 amps without pre-conditioning first sending me just below 200KW. I was only there for about 10 mins but never dropped below 186KW. My starting SOC was 49%. That is reasonable.
Not yet, no. Right now the built in navigation don’t recognize that you can charge at them. I assume this will change eventually. I think that’s more of a Google issue than GM or Tesla. Until then manual preconditioning is the only option. I route to the charger last night. It showed as a location not as an available charge point.
I just tried to use a Tesla Supercharger for my 2025 Equinox EV, and the Tesla charging cord initiated from the right side of the charger, not the left (like in your video). So the charging cord did not reach to the charge port on the Equinox. Is this an anomaly (that is, that the Tesla charger was installed with the cord initiating from the right side) or is it hit or miss as to how the Tesla chargers are installed? I was hoping to be able to use Tesla superchargers on longer trips, but now I am not sure that is an option. I tried parking in one spot and then using the charger associated with the spot on the left, and it still did not reach.
@@theaverageev that's sucks. I have to admit, the Plug & Charge on my Mach-E is pretty awesome, just plug into a Tesla charger and poof! Hope a Chevy gets it implemented soon.
Even with plug&charge, most Ford and Rivian owners use the Tesla app if they're on a road trip or on the road a lot. It's much cheaper with it. One full charge and you pay for the membership for that month. And the vast majority of the times, much, much cheaper than EA or other providers. But yes, GM will add it at some point.
Can someone help me- I’m new to EVs but I just bought a Chevy equinox ev 2lt. I’m interested in taking a long road trip from Minnesota to Texas (1221 miles), when I enter this trip into my navigation on the cars computer screen it says it will take 24 hrs- is this pretty accurate? With the Tesla chargers available, will that shorten the trip having more access to faster chargers potentially? Normally this trip would take 17 hours in a gas powered vehicle for reference. Trying to get on a cruise ship so I wouldn’t want to be late obviously! Should I realistically plan 24 hours for this trip?
I just put it into A Better Route Planner and it says 21 hours. The charging looks little optimistic. I would say 22-23 hours including charging. If you build in a hotel stop with charging you could eliminate a charge session and be rested to start your cruise!
I’ve done Chicago to Orlando several times in a 2019 Model 3 with a max charge rate of 170 kW. It took me about 23 hours total; 5-6 hours of charging along the way.
My Chevy points? I've never heard of this. Where would you find this info? Because ive been paying for onstar the last 2 years, so my points situation must be looking decent
You need the GM credit card. Purchases such as OnStar, GM vehicles,services etc. applied to the card earn you points. Just wanted to add, apparently you don’t need the GM card to earn points. Good to know!
I think Tesla just needs to retrofit their stations to accommodate all charge port locations. V4 (V3+) dispensers have solved this issue. Most manufacturers are no going to change port location as they would have to redesign the cars they have been working on for year. It is possible future models from these companies might have a port location change though!
Last night I tried and it didn't work! It said it was not compatible. So I guess Google hasn't updated yet. Not sure who is responsible for doing that, I'm assuming Google. Once they show properly in the nav it will work!
At this point the only people that should be paying for these adapters are people that drive a ton of mileage and only have EVs in their household! For me I expect my next EV will already have a NACS port and we use a BMW 8 series for any long distance.
Thanks! I realized I should have mentioned that. I added a note to the description. It is very annoying we have to pay and so much given how ford handled it.
I imagine Tesla can handle plug and charge with GM vehicles. My 2020 bolt is setup for plug and charge at the EVgo stations by using my car's VIN. If EVgo cn do it I'm sure the v3 tesla stations can too
Either Tesla needs to make their charging cable longer or extension cord will be supported. If you are not able to find the far right charger, you'll have to take 2 sports of the charging site, you don't want to do that at peak time to annoy others :)
Maybe legacy auto can figure out that they need to put their port on driver rear or passenger front for the good of the public. After all Tesla built the network at least everyone else can figure out how to use it.
If you have to use 2 charging stalls, I recommend that you straddle the line of the parking spot if you can. It tells people who might want to charge next to you that you are using both charging stalls.
If you straddle, then the next non-Tesla is locked out of a perfectly good stall that might also use the station on the left. In a perfect world you can have several non-Tesla's charging next to each other and only one compromised (open) space.
The one in this video is from Lectron! You can also buy one from Chevrolet in the myChevrolet app when you activate Supercharging. It gives you a link!
This is good for all EV owners..well, except maybe for Tesla drivers, that is. I’m guessing they may not be too happy at the prospect of having to share. But overall, spreading the charging demand out across more chargers will only help promote the adoption of EVs.
It's not all chargers. V2 is exclusively Tesla. There are also many V3 that are exclusively Tesla. I'm assuming they've been collecting data to see what chargers would be a total mess if they opened them to non-tesla.
@@theaverageevGood point. Teslas do get to keep some chargers to themselves. I haven’t seen the breakdown of the number of V2 vs V3 chargers on the Tesla network. But still, we’ll take what we can get!
As a Tesla iwner please park all the way to the right. Otherwise you are blocking 2 spots. If non tesla cars stack up from the right then only one spot is blocked for the rest of us Tesla owners. Welcome to the club.
@stephenmiller6690 That generalization does not apply to all EV owners like the CT. It is situational for each car at each site. My RST is very different from my wife's Lyriq. We all know how to be nice to each other, nobody is special. And as a tesla owner you know how to park at an evgo stall as well.
Thanks for the run through! It's funny because I actually had a pretty bad experience with the Tesla app, but I didn't use the MyChevrolet app at all. Still, the Tesla app always resets my geolocation to Africa (no Superchargers there that I can see), the focus on location map button in the app was slow and didn't actually focus on where I was, the map was laggy and unresponsive, and the activation timed out once (I'll say only once because I think the other time was due to the adapter).
You need to charge 100+ kwhs to just break even with the membership cost of $12.99/month. EA you would need to charge 59+ kwha to breake even with membership cost of $7/month. So unless you are going to be charging alot on either network you will be better off cost wise without the membership fees.
It looks like the tesla superchargers are going to be the way to go for Chevy ev's with thier low voltage ultium pack everyone except older Chevy bolts because 50kw charging does not matter the charger you can get 50 kw on any charger
The sooner CCS disappears the better all EV’s should now be coming with NACS charge ports in the ideal location. The only place CCS should be found is in a electronic surplus store or. a museum. The NACS standard was designed by engineers to encourage EV adoption. The CCS charging standard was created by the ICE manufactures marketing departments to discourage EV adoption.
I’ve seen Tesla use a Starlink satellite dish at Superchargers that are in areas with no cellular service. That’s how Tesla knows who’s charging and how much power they are drawing.
There would be no way for them to enforce that. That is more of CYA to absolve themselves of any liability if something were to happen. I will be honest, I will likely not charge again until I get my adapter from Chevy. It is anticipated that Chevy will endorse Lectron as an approved adapter which is why I purchased that one. I will continue to update as information becomes available.
From what I heard/read, It doesn't void the warranty. IF a third party adapter causes damage, GM nor Tesla will take responsibility for damages. Do you have a source that states it voids the car warranty? I didn't hear Tom state that, but I could be wrong.
I wish it was bit more affordable. There are many Superchargers and they nearly always work. A major upgrade from CSS providers. There are now places I couldn't go before, that I now can!
Yay we get the slowest charging EVs to hog up all of the Superchargers. I wouldn’t care much if we had adequate chargers to handle the influx of slow charging cars.
You can get a membership and activate on the Tesla app. That would be $.39 a kWh. Also the EA non-member rate is generally $.56 per kWh and $.42 per kWh for members. EA doesn’t include tax like Tesla does so EA is actually $.59 and $.45 cents respectively(in Maryland). So Tesla is cheaper than EA comparatively.
@@theaverageev It is still expensive even if you buy the membership. For Tesla vehicles we usually pay between $24-35 cents per Kw . Sometimes even as low as $11-12 cents at some locations
Tesla driver here, almost all superchargers have free WiFi so the cell issue shouldn’t be that bad
WOW! Thanks for that! I did not know that. I even asked my brother that is a Tesla driver and wasn't sure if people could access the internet from the site itself. That is a big deal!
@@theaverageev So, when you are in front of a tesla charger and not getting service on 5G, you can get on tesla wifi right there in front of the charger to be able to access the app? How do you get on the Wifi in front of a supercharger...find it and then enter a password??
Just used Tesla Supercharger in Kelso, wa. Last night. Used car screen to activate the charging. 40% in 20 minutes. $15. Received email confirmation from onstar.
That's great information for everyone about the points.
Glad to see it’s working well
Of course it’s gonna work, it’s Tesla. Tesla is kinda GITR DONE kind of company
I did a spot check of a bunch of Super Chargers on the Tesla App (in the northeast where I live and travel). Member prices are mainly 42 cents and non-member 55 cents (only one, in a casino didn’t match this). So with a 13 cents difference you’d have to charge 100kw to make the membership worthwhile. Which is doable if you’re road tripping. I think at most I might activate it for a month if I decide to take a long trip then cancel when I get home.
Exactly.
Didn't you mean 100kWh?
As a new Tesla owner I think this is great, its a huge step towards standardizing the DCFS industry that should help build out the infrastructure more and drive down costs to charge!
also, add longer wait times to charge at Tesla chargers.
Most of Tesla charging stations. I stop at are empty, or only have 1 or 2 other cars charging.
I have never had to wait in 2 years.
Thanks for the info. My friend is considering an EV (non- Tesla) and is concerned about CCS charging availability/reliability. I’ve proudly shared about those issues not existing (in my experience) in the Teslasphere.
@@Rusty1220AND I’ve never been to a Super Charger and found even one cabinet out of order. That was definitely NOT my experience when we drove a non-Tesla and used EVgo or others.
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I can charge cheaper at home. I am just glad I have more options!
Really useful takeaways for GM EV owners, thanks Tyler. I wonder how many owners even know they're building up MyChevy reward points? Good to know that they can be used for something genuinely useful like this.
Yep, I used the MYChevy points to greatly reduce the price of my NACS adapter
Awesome news. I'm a new blazer ev owner and love ur videos. I prefer EVgo chargers. Road tripped from Wisconsin to Texas and used Electrify America, Francis Energy, and EVgo, and EVgo by far amazing. Avoid Francis. Terrible. So happy we got Tesla as an option now!
EVGo is nice especially because of the Plug and Charge. Downside is many sites are expensive. Some are reasonable though!
Thanks for watching!
Those Francis stations were a life saver when I took the Bolt to Texas before GM supercharger access. There was really no other option at the time.
I am brand brand new to having an EV. I have an Equinox. How do you find out where an evgo charger is? I’ve used the app in my truck, but I’m so lost as to what chargers are where. I’ve been charging at home so far, but it’s getting colder here in Wisconsin and I’m shocked at how fast my battery is draining. So I was looking into the fast or quick charger.
Great review!
thanks for thr viddeo. Note you need a v3 or v4 supercharger for this to work.
I should have said that for sure. I’ll add it to the description. Thanks!!!
Have any of you noticed that not all of the V3 Superchargers show up when you go to the Tesla app, click on "Charge Your Other EV", and then you see the map and the list of V3 chargers and there are just some missing. I noticed that one of the missing had a mixture of V2 and V3 chargers while the one that showed up was all V3. I need to verify with other chargers to see it thats consistent.
I just checked the two sites I know of off the top of my head. Both are Tesla only.
All of the V3 were never going to be available. Makes sense to leave these sites out to avoid confusion for non-Tesla drivers.
@@theaverageev I think I figured it out. If a Supercharger station has V3 pumps only then it will show up on the map BUT if it has a mix of V2 and V3 pumps it will NOT show up on the map.
I have a F150 Lightning and I usually charge about 10 KW faster on Tesla when initially plugging than I do with a similar SOC on CCS chargers so that's a bonus. Also Plug and Charge with Ford is nice but in order to have membership pricing with Tesla you have to activate it only through the Tesla app that doesn't work with Plug and Charge. Great video as usual 👍
Good commentary, glad to see it’s working well for you and other GM EV owners. Driver’s rear, driver’s rear, driver’s rear. @GM, when you design your next EV, put the charge port on the driver’s rear end please (Silverado EV for example). Easier to utilize without screwing up the rhythm of people who want to use Tesla chargers. As we move fwd, these particular locations are just going to get busier and busier.
GM needs to do better, GM parts department at my local dealer could not even tell me what kind of adapter i need for new Equinox to use at Tesla Super Chargers or if i need a completely different adapter to use my tesla home charger. Highly disappointed with GM🤬
You need a NACS to CCS adapter. You order it in your app! I do prefer the A2Z adapter personally.
@@theaverageevthanks ordered that adapter after watching your video
My equinox is great the post sales support sucks. But love the car.
@@csnyder23Well my seller was good, mngr not at all.💯my complaint is against GM selling the Equinox 2025 without at least a level one charger for the new owners venturing into this technology, prior to my Equinox i owned a tesla for 6 1/2 yrs so i knew what i was getting into, so once i found out about the not included home charger i went directly to parts department to buy an adapter so i could use my home tesla charger and no one at service department knew what i was asking for not helpful at all. This is how they constantly lose new buyers and delay the EV adoption timeline.
One of the local dealers here in LA read me the riot act about third party adapters and said that if there problems chevy would invalidate the battery warranty...I just got the certified adapter and it's not that well made...hard to plug in and remove from the charging port...it sticks...but I'll use it to keep the battery warranty valid.
The verbiage is very wishy washy from GM about adapters. They use the term "may" a lot. Like I said in the video the safest option is to use the approved adapters until the Lectron and A2Z are officially certified under UL2252.
Just purchased an Equinox and this was a HUGE selling point for me! By any chance do you have a link for the approved adapter you couldn’t share? I see so many options and do not want to accidentally order the wrong one. Thanks!! ☺️
@@JazzieHC The approved adapter is ordered in the may myChevrolet app. You go to the circle with your initials, then click public charging. There you will activate the Tesla access and can order the Tesla adapter for GM. If you want to go for the A2Z Typhoon Pro adapter the link is in the description of this video!
They are not as plentiful, but the GM Energy sites work pretty well. They have plug and charge and the two that I have used say they go up to 350 kw. I have used it for my Bolt EUV (RIP) and even with my Model Y it works great
The prices are typically way too high, but I have heard good things about them.
The GM app is garbage. Not only is it slow, but the interface and menu system makes no sense. If I was teaching my grandma how to charge their GM vehicle, I certainly wouldn’t direct them to the GM app.
It is not great. It's also not the worst. Tesla in my experience was easy, especially once you have everything setup.
Nobody expects GM to make decent software for anything.
Your math is a bit fuzzy. Paying $12-13 a month to subscribe to the Tesla app only makes sense if you dcfc a lot. How much was it to charge on Tesla without the membership would have been more relevant. I assume it was the same charge as GM but it wasnt clear in this video
Three 10-80% charges is the breakeven. The GM and Tesla price are the same for non-member. The membership is 25% off for the most part. So if you have to charge more than 4 times a month the membership is wort it.
Sorry I wasn't more clear about the logistics of that. If you only charge once or twice a month in public it isn't worth the membership.
I will likely only get it for the summer or any other road-trips I do!
@@theaverageev So can you just subscribe to the Tesla membership for a month at a time? I did that with EA on a recent road trip for one month only and then went back to the normal membership.
Yes you can! Cancel whenever you want!
@@theaverageev BINGO! With my Tesla I only subscribe to FSD as needed. No problem if I'm doing a long road trip to use the same for the membership. Yep...I'm dumping the Tesla.
No more EA, finally.
I have an A2Z adapter and the Lectron both. In my opinion the Lectron is the easier one to use. the A2Z has a slider button on the Tesla side that is hard to acuate. I have to put the face of the adapter into the concrete curb and push the NACS side with both hands to get it in far enough to lock that switch. Its definitely not one handed. The Lectron is much smoother to operate.
The redesigned the A2Z (Pro version) which is now a double switch button which fixes that issue.
I didn't mind using the Lectron once I got use to it!
So to be able to use my tesla charger level 2 in my garage or destination charger for my Equinox EV SR what is the best adapter?
Either the A2Z or Lectron Tesla to J1772 adapter. Both are great!
@ ummm i received the A2Z and didn’t work on my telsa level 2 at home? Any ideas why? Is my understanding only works on level 3-4
Unfortunately, they are two different adapters. The charger you have is for superchargers. It will not work for level 2. You need a Tesla to j1772 adapter.
@ ok great thanks for your advice 🙏🏾
Also, the app itself will not show Super Chargers. I wondered how this would work, and you answered it (Blazer driver).
I live in Apple Valley, CA & Tesla has a ton of chargers in Hesperia & Victorville; I mostly charge at home, but when going to Inland Empire, San Gabriel Valley, or L.A., most non-Tesla chargers are always packed.
I think the reason for that is people can’t charge at home.
It's especially great for Ultium vehicles like yours, the ones that are only looking for 150 kW. But cars that have a higher nominal kW charging speed might be disappointed because Tesla isn't going to give you the amperage you need to reach your maximum speeds. Awesome development, however, all the way around.
I drive a Ford, and plug & charge with Tesla is quick and easy. Lucky for me, I don't really need DC charging at all.
FYI V4 chargers have a longer cable.
Great review from a 2x Tesla owner & 100% TSLA holdings in my Roth. Subscribed.
The updates cars will all have tesla connections ports
2025 will not, but hopefully 2026 will!
I just got my equinox ev yesterday. I have ordered the official adapter from gm store. But the nacs toggle is missing on my radio maps. Checked for updates and show up to date. I will have to make a appointment to have the dealership check it out.
Can you provide the links for the apps you’re using to compare?
I have free charging on my Cadillac Lyriq for 2 years
In my 3rd year I can charge at home.
Being able to use TESLA charging makes me feel much more comfortable about road trips.
Does the free charging work for Tesla chargers too?
Once GM adopts NACS do you think they will be smart enough to place the port either on the drivers rear side or the passengers front side so taking up two slots will not be an issue? We can only hope.
What’s the adapter called and witch brand you use
Great video. I have a Chevy Equinox 3LT EV and so far like it very much. Will always charge it at home. After watching this video and the State of Charge one - even with Tesla charging on the road it is too much of a hassle. I take long trips with my Subaru Outback and get about 550 miles per fillup and it takes less than 5 minutes to fill it up.
I actually prefer roadtripping with EVs because of the breaks, but everyone is different! No worries! Enjoy the car!
Does the Subaru burn fossil fuel? There you have the reason why you shouldn’t use it.
@@theaverageevAll emission less cars are good cars. For a better world for my grand kids of course.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 right because u can guarantee ur EV battery and ur electricity doesn't come from fossil fuel right. Lmao
@@fubolibs4218 Yes i can for my electricity. No i can not for the battery which comes from China.
I don't think GM supports Plug & Charge simply because their vehicles currently don't support the latest ISO 15118. They only support the AutoCharge(Plug AND Charge) implementation. Once the V2H implementation (ISO 15118-20) is ratified then I think GM may get support for it.
Hopefully!
Owings Mills MD? Do you do business with Motorweek or know John Davis? I realize it's a high populous area being a suburb of Baltimore, but growing up watching Motorweek put that city on the map for me.
Any chance a review in the cold?
Leaving on a roadtrip right now! It is currently 27 Fahrenheit, so I am going to get some decent cold weather impressions. Once it is consistently cold where I live, I am going to do a few videos on cold weather! So stay tuned!
@@theaverageev Great! I'm deciding next week if I'm buying that car and wanted to make sure it wasn't too brutal on the charging. Thanks.
does the chevy EV come with an tesla adapter when you buy it or is it an additional accessory that you have to buy?
It is an additional accessory that you can buy if you need it!
Need a charging curve /speed test on Tesla!
I have one with the Magic Dock which should be the same. I am hoping to get to a V4 cabinet to test a theory. Have to find the nearest one to me.
Last week at Mt Laurel NJ magic dock V3.5 site I saw 402V and 488 amps without pre-conditioning first sending me just below 200KW. I was only there for about 10 mins but never dropped below 186KW. My starting SOC was 49%. That is reasonable.
Are you able to condition the battery before using the super charger?
Yes, Magic dock stations were already supported in the google maps navigation
Not yet, no. Right now the built in navigation don’t recognize that you can charge at them. I assume this will change eventually. I think that’s more of a Google issue than GM or Tesla. Until then manual preconditioning is the only option.
I route to the charger last night. It showed as a location not as an available charge point.
did you get the adapter yet?
I just tried to use a Tesla Supercharger for my 2025 Equinox EV, and the Tesla charging cord initiated from the right side of the charger, not the left (like in your video). So the charging cord did not reach to the charge port on the Equinox. Is this an anomaly (that is, that the Tesla charger was installed with the cord initiating from the right side) or is it hit or miss as to how the Tesla chargers are installed? I was hoping to be able to use Tesla superchargers on longer trips, but now I am not sure that is an option. I tried parking in one spot and then using the charger associated with the spot on the left, and it still did not reach.
It’s ok to park between two spots to reach. I usually have to pull slightly over the curb to reach
Tesla says to park between if necessary, never diagonal.
Where can you get the adapter?
wait, so Chevy doesn't support Plug & Charge with Tesla like Ford and Rivian do?
They are capable, but currently do not 😔
@@theaverageev that's sucks. I have to admit, the Plug & Charge on my Mach-E is pretty awesome, just plug into a Tesla charger and poof! Hope a Chevy gets it implemented soon.
Even with plug&charge, most Ford and Rivian owners use the Tesla app if they're on a road trip or on the road a lot. It's much cheaper with it. One full charge and you pay for the membership for that month. And the vast majority of the times, much, much cheaper than EA or other providers.
But yes, GM will add it at some point.
@@junehanzawa5165Is it always cheaper or is it only cheaper if you buy that Tesla Supercharger subscription service?
Only when you have the membership. Basically if you do 4 or more charges a month it is likely "worth it."
$199+ for the Tesla adapter seems a bit steep.
Maybe I can wait till they install v4 superchargers?
I wouldn't want something that is passing that much power through it to be cheap. I think $200 is reasonable for a safe adapter.
@@theaverageev a Level 2 portable charger is cheaper than that.
Not a quality level 2 EVSE.
These adapters are passing 500amps which is over ten times the amount of power as the EVSE.
Can someone help me- I’m new to EVs but I just bought a Chevy equinox ev 2lt. I’m interested in taking a long road trip from Minnesota to Texas (1221 miles), when I enter this trip into my navigation on the cars computer screen it says it will take 24 hrs- is this pretty accurate? With the Tesla chargers available, will that shorten the trip having more access to faster chargers potentially? Normally this trip would take 17 hours in a gas powered vehicle for reference. Trying to get on a cruise ship so I wouldn’t want to be late obviously! Should I realistically plan 24 hours for this trip?
I just put it into A Better Route Planner and it says 21 hours. The charging looks little optimistic. I would say 22-23 hours including charging. If you build in a hotel stop with charging you could eliminate a charge session and be rested to start your cruise!
I’ve done Chicago to Orlando several times in a 2019 Model 3 with a max charge rate of 170 kW. It took me about 23 hours total; 5-6 hours of charging along the way.
My Chevy points? I've never heard of this. Where would you find this info? Because ive been paying for onstar the last 2 years, so my points situation must be looking decent
In the MyChevy app click on the circle with your initials in the top right corner. Then you should see them under your name!!!
You need the GM credit card. Purchases such as OnStar, GM vehicles,services etc. applied to the card earn you points. Just wanted to add, apparently you don’t need the GM card to earn points. Good to know!
I do not have the GM credit card and have been accumulating points.
@@theaverageevI was not aware of that. Good to know!
Word to the wise...if a problem occurs with charging and you are using a non-GM approved adapter, your warranty will not cover it.
GM needs to move the charging port to prevent these things from occupying two charging stalls.
I think Tesla just needs to retrofit their stations to accommodate all charge port locations. V4 (V3+) dispensers have solved this issue.
Most manufacturers are no going to change port location as they would have to redesign the cars they have been working on for year. It is possible future models from these companies might have a port location change though!
Will your equinox precondition routing to a Tesla charger
Last night I tried and it didn't work! It said it was not compatible. So I guess Google hasn't updated yet. Not sure who is responsible for doing that, I'm assuming Google. Once they show properly in the nav it will work!
@@theaverageev thanks for the feedback. ford had the same issue. don't know if they have gotten an update yet
At this point the only people that should be paying for these adapters are people that drive a ton of mileage and only have EVs in their household! For me I expect my next EV will already have a NACS port and we use a BMW 8 series for any long distance.
Great video! I had questions throughout this video and you answered all of them👍🏼
Can't charge on the V2 Superchargers. GM is charging $225 for the adapter. Ford gave them to Ford owners for FREE.
Thanks! I realized I should have mentioned that. I added a note to the description.
It is very annoying we have to pay and so much given how ford handled it.
You did it Mary!
I imagine Tesla can handle plug and charge with GM vehicles. My 2020 bolt is setup for plug and charge at the EVgo stations by using my car's VIN. If EVgo cn do it I'm sure the v3 tesla stations can too
Either Tesla needs to make their charging cable longer or extension cord will be supported. If you are not able to find the far right charger, you'll have to take 2 sports of the charging site, you don't want to do that at peak time to annoy others :)
V4 pedestals have longer cables
Maybe legacy auto can figure out that they need to put their port on driver rear or passenger front for the good of the public. After all Tesla built the network at least everyone else can figure out how to use it.
Dropped to 80-90 KW real fast.. Liw voltage on this Equinox was a mistake by GM.
That was likely since I plugged in at such a high state of charge.
But yes, low voltage was a poor choice. Not great…
Does the equinox EV RS trim have AC Seats? I thought they didn’t
for 2025 you will need to add the convenience package II to get ventilated seats! For 2024 you need the 3LT or 3RS trim.
If you have to use 2 charging stalls, I recommend that you straddle the line of the parking spot if you can. It tells people who might want to charge next to you that you are using both charging stalls.
If you straddle, then the next non-Tesla is locked out of a perfectly good stall that might also use the station on the left. In a perfect world you can have several non-Tesla's charging next to each other and only one compromised (open) space.
Where can I buy that adapter?
The one in this video is from Lectron! You can also buy one from Chevrolet in the myChevrolet app when you activate Supercharging. It gives you a link!
This is good for all EV owners..well, except maybe for Tesla drivers, that is. I’m guessing they may not be too happy at the prospect of having to share. But overall, spreading the charging demand out across more chargers will only help promote the adoption of EVs.
It's not all chargers. V2 is exclusively Tesla. There are also many V3 that are exclusively Tesla. I'm assuming they've been collecting data to see what chargers would be a total mess if they opened them to non-tesla.
@@theaverageevGood point. Teslas do get to keep some chargers to themselves. I haven’t seen the breakdown of the number of V2 vs V3 chargers on the Tesla network. But still, we’ll take what we can get!
As a Tesla iwner please park all the way to the right. Otherwise you are blocking 2 spots. If non tesla cars stack up from the right then only one spot is blocked for the rest of us Tesla owners. Welcome to the club.
Totally agree! Thanks!
I have an etiquette video I recorded last night as well where I detail this!
@stephenmiller6690 That generalization does not apply to all EV owners like the CT. It is situational for each car at each site. My RST is very different from my wife's Lyriq. We all know how to be nice to each other, nobody is special. And as a tesla owner you know how to park at an evgo stall as well.
Can't wait for Bolt to swarm the superchargers and taking 1 hr vs 30 mins to charge. Lol
@@fubolibs4218 What are your thoughts about 2012-2016 Model S’s taking as long to charge as bolts? Just wondering.
@@theaverageev it takes at least 50 mins from 20 to 80% on the bolt. Even the older model Tesla's won't take that long.
Thanks for the run through! It's funny because I actually had a pretty bad experience with the Tesla app, but I didn't use the MyChevrolet app at all. Still, the Tesla app always resets my geolocation to Africa (no Superchargers there that I can see), the focus on location map button in the app was slow and didn't actually focus on where I was, the map was laggy and unresponsive, and the activation timed out once (I'll say only once because I think the other time was due to the adapter).
That is so strange! I've never had an issue with the Tesla app. Weird!
@@theaverageev It might be that my phone/internet was having issues, but to your point, that's a risk associated with relying on an app to activate.
In your video, you didn’t show the GM charging app. You did both Teslas twice.
You need to charge 100+ kwhs to just break even with the membership cost of $12.99/month. EA you would need to charge 59+ kwha to breake even with membership cost of $7/month. So unless you are going to be charging alot on either network you will be better off cost wise without the membership fees.
I have never had an issue charging at EA. I believe it’s good we have more options but everyone is overplaying this a bit
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
It looks like the tesla superchargers are going to be the way to go for Chevy ev's with thier low voltage ultium pack everyone except older Chevy bolts because 50kw charging does not matter the charger you can get 50 kw on any charger
Where can I buy this adapter?
Which one? Tesla from GM on app. Lectron from their website or Amazon. A2Z from their website or Amazon.
@@theaverageev thank you! ☺️
Tesla app and programming is the goat. The chevy app is so slow for everything bulky and terrible.
The app is great! The Chevy App is not. You also can't take advantage of the Tesla discount when using the Chevy app.
And the speed of charging is .... kwh??????
Lucky...
The sooner CCS disappears the better all EV’s should now be coming with NACS charge ports in the ideal location. The only place CCS should be found is in a electronic surplus store or. a museum.
The NACS standard was designed by engineers to encourage EV adoption.
The CCS charging standard was created by the ICE manufactures marketing departments to discourage EV adoption.
Look at the camera, please. Good videos, very informative.
I’ll work on it! I usually look at the screen to make sure I’m staying in the frame. Thanks for the feedback!
These apps. Do you need signal to charge? The fact you need an app at all is disappointing.
I’ve seen Tesla use a Starlink satellite dish at Superchargers that are in areas with no cellular service. That’s how Tesla knows who’s charging and how much power they are drawing.
According to State of Charge using a non-approved adapter voids the car's warranty.
There would be no way for them to enforce that. That is more of CYA to absolve themselves of any liability if something were to happen.
I will be honest, I will likely not charge again until I get my adapter from Chevy.
It is anticipated that Chevy will endorse Lectron as an approved adapter which is why I purchased that one. I will continue to update as information becomes available.
From what I heard/read, It doesn't void the warranty. IF a third party adapter causes damage, GM nor Tesla will take responsibility for damages. Do you have a source that states it voids the car warranty? I didn't hear Tom state that, but I could be wrong.
For me most of the chargers are v2 so they are useless to me.
Not worth the price of the GM adapter, in my opinion. Besides, there aren't that many Tesla chargers out there.
I wish it was bit more affordable.
There are many Superchargers and they nearly always work. A major upgrade from CSS providers. There are now places I couldn't go before, that I now can!
GM is providing the Lectron Adaptor to Bolt Owners.
Is the adapter free
For free?
Nebula we need to chat sometime. You are mysterious and knowledgeable.
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Yay we get the slowest charging EVs to hog up all of the Superchargers. I wouldn’t care much if we had adequate chargers to handle the influx of slow charging cars.
$0.51 cents per Kw that's Rip off by Tesla to charge for non Tesla cars. No wonder Tesla agreed to use it's supercharger for non Tesla cars
You can get a membership and activate on the Tesla app. That would be $.39 a kWh. Also the EA non-member rate is generally $.56 per kWh and $.42 per kWh for members. EA doesn’t include tax like Tesla does so EA is actually $.59 and $.45 cents respectively(in Maryland). So Tesla is cheaper than EA comparatively.
@@theaverageev It is still expensive even if you buy the membership. For Tesla vehicles we usually pay between $24-35 cents per Kw . Sometimes even as low as $11-12 cents at some locations
@@jigs8437 That is true, but comparatively for non-Tesla drivers, it is a deal.
I paid more at Chargepoint
Love beggars being choosers. Tesla operates the SC network at a loss. So it’s actually a handout to non Tesla EVs. Stay on EA then.
Hi hair is darker now it looks like
Welcome 22+ bolt EV's pre-22 stick with EA we don't wanna wait on your 50 kW charging
All bolts charge at the same rate.
@@mewtwo255200 wrong. 22 and up charge faster than 50 kW