What's alarming is that many of these high end detectors are going to get owned by quick trigger on k band by an LEO. Escort has been slow for years, in effort to curb false alerts. I'm really surprised and disappointed to see the V1 being that slow, historically they were blistering fast. Either way, awesome job on the video as always Ariel. Your videos rock my world
It's still a great detector, just not against k band. That's been the biggest complaint with the V1G2 since it launched. Hope they improve their their weak spot.
Not been my experience at all. I've been running the R3 and R7 for about 2 years. Very few surprises and the have only gotten better with the updates. Good luck on your detector purchase.
I've been very happy with my Uniden R7. The 1.37 firmware is so good that I am not inclined to update unless a new update is a significant improvement.
Me too, but after spending last month of my life to doing this test and creating the videos, I'm pretty sick of it by now, lol. Maybe I'll get back to it at some point and only publish the results in written form since it takes 1/100th the amount of time. Right now I'm burned out and the last thing I wanna do is go and do this again. Fortunately other people are actively doing this right now so it's not all up to me...
Well Done !!!!!!!!! I have this nagging suspicion that Escort uses you as their sole beta tester and they only hire engineers who barely made it to graduation
the red line escort is Turning in bottom of the barrel results. And the red line 360c shouldn't be doing that! 😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤪 Oh you're so brutally honest I love it! I almost bought this detector now I'm just going to buy another r7 for my other car that I just bought because I hate taking them in and out of vehicles. I'm going to save a ton of money as well buying another r7!
0:28 Vortex Radar Jr. haha. I'm beginning to wonder if the radar scrambler on the RMR Judge scarmbles the signal going into the detector and not the police radar.
R3 is hard to beat for the money if you can handle the falses on k band. I'm constantly scanning traffic anyway I usually know that the Detector will false before it does. Plus when it does I make an immediate scan. It's not like you should be relying on the detector for 20mph over without a shield or rabbit or looking in your mirrors, checking on ramps etc.
You think like I do Slowcars. I did upgrade to the R7, primarily for the arrows but the R3 falses on K didn't bother me with my prior R3 because like you, generally I knew what caused it. It helped me be a More Alert Driver. Good post.
@@kx5e well I guess it’s based on what you need or like I myself do not want to be dealing with false alerts falls K bands so I wouldn’t buy the R7 or the r3
@@alambe7275 Well I guess you don't need a detector because they all false to K band. So far the new K band lock out feature of my R7 works great. And we just learned in this video it kicks all the others in reaction time. Good luck on picking one out that does everything perfect.
And this is why we own 2 R3s in our cars. We take it with us on every single road trip for the rental cars as well. If you need the arrows roll R7 but honestly I have had them since they came out and there is zero reason to upgrade or pick anything else.
As good as the Uniden detectors are, detection issues with weak instant on signals is extremely concerning. For me, the whole reason I look at range when considering radar detectors, is the assumption that greater range = greater likelihood of being saved from instant on. Unless a detector has poor off axis performance, constant on generally isn’t a threat. However, apparently my assumption that c/o range was equivalent to i/o range was flawed, at least with the R7. Hopefully it’s not the same with the R3, or a major assumption I gave weight to in choosing that detector was invalid.
@@bc_usa The reason I would want sensitivity is to give me the greatest chance to detect instant on radar before I’m targeted. A detector that is less sensitive to instant on is more of a deal breaker for me than one that is less sensitive to constant on.
This was eye opening. Once upon a time (and I may be showing how old or out of touch I am) BEL radar detectors were typically in the upper tier and now they aren't even on the radar -- pun somewhat unintentional. I sold a friend a cheap detector 12 years ago that he still swears by -- a Sensoro traveller II silver bullet and I was running the cordless Sensoro Traveller myself and never got a ticket but I don't even know where I put it since I moved 8 years ago. But anyway with instant on K band and laser now in wide usage I just slow down and try not to be the fastest driver around and that has worked well for me. Plus I drive a pewter grey car now that seems to be invisible to police. I had one fly by me and pull over a red Miata and we were both driving the same speed.
I made it to the end lol. And thank you I watch alot of you're videos to try and learn more about these. I did buy the valentin v1 gen 2. 1 week ago before I seen this video. I hope they send out a update to speed it up. I'm still waiting for it to ship. Back ordered.
Thanks Vortex! This is why independent unbiased testing is critical. The Escort 360c is a 3 dressed up as a 9. V1g2 don’t believe what you read from them.
There are going to be some tech engineers losing their jobs after this video. Great video and thank you for testing. Looks like the Unidentifiable R series is the way to go.
Best testing I've ever seen. I would like to see you test 2 or 3 k band and 3-4 ka guns. Different manufactures of radar guns. Stationary and hidden behind bridges or other real world situations.
It's not just about getting a speed reading. The officer also has to visually identify the fastest car. If it's just you speeding down a country road alone, then it's easy to know who's speeding. When the officer is targeting a bunch of cars traveling closely together on a highway, you have slightly more time to slow down before the officer pinpoints you as the guy going +20 in the group.
@@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow correct, most of your state police use laser and some locals have it, but the thing about laser is that they have to be stationary while using it because it’s such a precise beam. Instant K and Ka can be used on traffic/individuals with the officer driving (in your direction or opposite) as well as stationary.
@@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow Lasor would be better pinpointing a car in a group, however laser, fortunately, does not work in a moving patrol car. Has to be stationary.
I think an experiment for the future would be to park the car at some distance (with speed muting disabled), time a shot, wait until it resets and repeat 10 times. Find the min/mean/max. With a larger number of samples, it would better account for time variations (where in the scan cycle it happens to be). Ultimately, the max time is what you care about, or maybe the 90th percentile time, in case there was some experimental variance.
Sounds like to me that the response time with instant on is about as important as a direct hit of laser. There is no ONE or any automobile that can react fast enough to an instant on hit. Whether it is .3 seconds or 1.3 seconds. I would say the V1 is still the best detector to go with. Especially being that the R-series units are having an issue with faint instant-on signals. That is far more significant.
Robert, fully agree. See my comment thread posted on this video comment section. My testing with my HR confirms your thoughts. However the R7 with 1.35, is still pretty good if you are able to handle more BSM falsing.
These videos are awesome in being informative but over all with the info I've gathered from your videos and my personal encounters with my redline I am starting to really regret my purchase of redline 360c. 👎 expected so much more for the cash spent
@@alambe7275 yepp thinking about cutting my losses and going back to a r3 (they are illegal in my area. Need the rdd immunity and r7 is too detectable for my liking )
Im glad you touched on THIS subject because i was recently thinking About investing into getting be a speeding radar detector i want it inside of my vehicle on dash board GREAT video by the way💯
Only issue i have is your run the radar’s so low on the winshield. If you have ever taken apart a radar they funnel signal in. I have an escort max and it haves longer range than anyone i have seen. So much as 7 miles
Great video as always. My only question, is it possible to also track the distance that the detector is at, at the time of detection by the gun..that would be interesting.
Wow, this is an eye opener I really want my Redline 360C to work well, let's hope that they come out with an upgrade we pay all this money only to find out that a lesser detector can beat the 360C, great video.
Yes I agree plus it is always to do your research before purchasing. If you want to you can always sell that bad boy and use the money to get something better that’s what I would do
I gave up on radar detectors years... Decades ago.. I live in South Florida. It is cheaper to higher the ticket clinic and get the case thrown out of pay a fine cheaper than the ticket . The fine and lawyer were never higher than a high end radar detector.
I would not go that far. Project farm dude, if still the case, makes no affiliate commissions, is not beta tester for certain brands. So many people on RUclips have outright sponsorships (OP here indicates on this channel not so), various selective perks, affiliate links which generate good income (OP has). Project Farm makes his good fortune by massive RUclips engagement techniques by his fans only (so far from what I have observed).
Was thinking the same thing but with instant on radar does it really matter? As soon as you're hit with instant on your SOL with any of these radars. But the flip side the range of these top radars they'll detect off and on from plenty of distance to slow down. Or am I missing something?
@@dtbrown1978 no you hit it dead on there are some people that watch videos like this and just immediately panic even though the radar detector that they are using works great for them
Vortex thank you for all of your testing and research! I am not sure what testing the different detectors with non OEM power cords is for. I am thinking owners will use the power cords that came with the detector. I am surprised Uncle Sam doesn't go after Rocky Mountain Radar for their claims about scrambling RADAR signals. It is against FCC regulations to interfere with radio signals. Thank you again!
Well if you’re testing lots of detectors, is it safe to use one brand of cable for lots of detectors? Most people won’t care for their purposes, that’s true, but it’s good to know if test results should be invalidated because of that.
As a disclaimer I usually have cops using "instant on" on cars ahead of me and I get the notification plenty of cars ahead so by the time they trigger me I'm down to the right speed so response time really doesn't matter.
Am I right in thinking none of these times would matter much as by the time you know you have been shot with radar the officer has your speed on his gun and your out of luck with instant on?
Yes, if you're the target. If you're behind the target, a quicker detector theoretically would be able to pick up a quick shot ahead, whereas with a slower detector that failed to pick up that initial shot, you'd theoretically drive into the radar trap unaware. The deadliest speed enforcement, in my opinion, is instant on. Done well by the officer, there is no defense against it other than the off chance of picking up a shot meant for someone else ahead.
Thanks for doing this. I'd be curious to know the "cost" of V1 K filtering. I realize the unit would drive you nuts without K filtering on, but I wonder how quick it would be.
In my cross-country driving.... the only K band signals I get are from roadside speed signs for construction sites, sharp corners or speed awareness areas. Are there any areas that you know of that actually use K band for speed enforcement where they rely on this technology to write tickets? If so, might you have a generalized list of cities/states?
Am I missing something? Assuming that the gun result is accurate, then even if the detector detects the signal in .50 seconds, you are still toast unless you are not the lead vehicle. I don't see the point in testing instant on.
Correct, no detector can beat instant on if you are the only person on the road, or happen to be the lead vehicle. The good news is that most police don't shoot instant on. It's much easier for them to leave it transmitting and catch the 98% of non radar detecting drivers.
I have a cobra it's not that one for sure the one you showed pretty damn good when my car gets back I'll find out exactly what kind it is and said you ran a test on it the one I have
Luckily for me, here in South Florida cops don't use K band, all in all my Radenso SP has saved me ass several times, so I can't complain about it's performance.
Thank you for the very comprehensive review. I run my V1-G1 and V1-G2 with MirrorTap power cords. I'm pleased with the response times I'm seeing, but now I'm curious. Have you tested various detectors with MirrorTap cords?
Rollin if you are curious, See my comment thread posted on this video comment section. You should be pleased. Your V1-G2 IMO/testing will be fine picking up HR K band LEO actual I/O outside the kill zone where it counts.
@@johnross6314 I have zero complaints about my V1-G2. I live in Florida where 99% of the threats are Ka and the warnings give me ample time to react. Of course, I’m smart enough not to outrun my detector. And I try to not be the fastest car on the road since my B5 Blue Challenger tends to stand out.
Am I missing something? With instant on radar does it really matter? As soon as you're hit with instant on your SOL with any of these radars. But the flip side the range of these top radars they'll detect off and on from plenty of distance to slow down. But I guess having that extra detection speed from a distance gives you that bit extra detection.
They are talking about it. It’s in the works, but not available yet. www.rdforum.org/threads/116154/ As a fellow Mac / iOS user, I’m looking forward to it too.
Had a quick question, is the K band instant on only able to used by a stationary officer or while they are rolling as well. I live in NC and had a hard hit like instant in while I was driving, but only thing coming at me was a Ford Supercrew Pickup, don't think but could have been unmarked?? Welcome to any feedback and info.
@@VortexRadar thanks for the info, it was just a weird vehicle choice for unmarked. Is there a list anywhere of what bands are in use in your state and your specific area?
DC Fluid over on RDF did testing that included the DP 360. I also have older Max 360 when first introduced. It is at least as quick as the 360c. See my comment thread here on the comment section. My street testing of my HR with arrow Escort products (no Red Line 360c) included the Max 360, and a GT360 (which is essentially a DP 360) worked well way outside the kill zone picking up real life LEO grade instant on testing.
Hey Vortex - I asked this on your instant-on Ka video as well: With the poor showing of the RedLine, do you feel like it is still worthy of the title of 'best all around detector'? Are you still using it as your go-to daily driver?
We're having a discussion about that here: www.rdforum.org/threads/111347/post-1609734 So I was starting to lean more towards the R7 and then we recently discovered some issues with it with the latest update too. At the end of the day, there is no perfect detector and they all have trade-offs...
Question, I just ordered a redline 360C, will my dash cam DR900X effect the Redline360 if I mounted below it or above? Thank in advance for all your time making the videos to guild us.
I have sometimes seen issues with the 5 GHz WiFi triggering Ka falses on nearby detectors. Spacing them out or switching to 2.4 GHz resolves the issue. I have no issue with the RL360c and the DR900S or DR900X.
When does the Theia come out? They're always having excuses as to why they're not out. Making me lose interest and hope in that and considering other options.
1.37 on R7 slow it down on K band? Uhmmm…. The social media influencer here had 1.37 final beta (birdies say), back when these videos were made. Judgment call deciding on how to present this test knowing that there were issues reported (and still reported by DC Fluid) with the Falcon HR with the R7 on 1.37. If I understand DC text, there were some situations where the R7 should have alerted. Instead “it failed to alert to the point where I thought there was a radar or detector malfunction. Nope, highly inconsistent runs.” This is with production R7 firmware. Birdies suggest this was also known with 1.37 when RDF members were testing it before announced. There are no unicorns… R series has good record of K band reaction. However, they have been tweaking the FW to help with the high rate (over other detectors) of falsing to blind spot monitors. Plus, there are recent arrow accuracy issues while they tweak the FW. My G2s, 360c(s) Pro M, are much better at BSM rejection compared to the R7s I have. Crying wolf (R7 falsing) elimination during street driving is higher priority than half second faster “in the kill zone” alerting. IMO.
We didn’t find any issues in our beta testing. If we did, you better believe we’d report them, haha, just like with how autolockouts weren’t working well at launch. I tested Ka with 1.35 and 1.37, but didn’t test K with both firmwares. In any event, all the info we have so far on 1.37 issues is being shared with Uniden and they’re taking a look over everything.
@@VortexRadar For now, looks like 1.35 will do. Thanks to DC and others, maybe saved folks running 1.37 in heavy K band areas from tickets. Next up testing? Do similar I/O testing you did where radar detectors as outside kill range, towards the end of their detection range using constant on (C/O). Then test the HR clocking actual vehicles using reasonable I/O LEO practices (say 3&5 seconds), and see how the radar detectors pick that signal up. That way does decent simulation of real world capability of catching HR K band I/O speed traps outside the kill zone. I have done that testing using my thoughts above, on hand full of detectors using my HR. Cannot post the results on RDF. To summarize… All arrow brands I tested (except did not have RL 360) passed with flying colors. I did not repeat the test with FW 1.37 on the R7s. Figure wait until they fix 1.37 mess. In end, anyone who has picked up R7 from supply chain that has 1.37, IMO, is in some danger in high K band use areas. They may not know about DC results in RDF. I suggest a alert in this with your channel. Plus, for those TX, WA and beta partners in other states, that more real life and specific testing is done on late stage beta releases. This issue missed could burn some users (based on reports). Uniden should pay consulting fees for that targeted testing work IMO.
I do 150k miles a year driving all over the country and sometimes Canada I very rarely see K band being used. 5 years ago maybe hear and there(Tx and Kansas and the Sheriffs in Phoenix ) but not anymore. Only speeds signs now.
@@JONNYGEEKMANG was just driving thru NC on back highways I must have missed it. Anyway if you’re finding unicorn K and X instant-on guns in rural isolated smallville USA and u absolutely need that extra .5 second reaction time than have at it.
With all due respect, if you're asking if you should disable the K Filter (which would lead to a ton of extra false alerts), it may be best to just use my recommended settings. www.vortexradar.com/2019/04/how-to-set-up-configure-uniden-r7-radar-detector/
Ty. Will try your setting. I’m in silver spring Maryland. Sometimes I’m not picking up what my local police is using . Been trying other user setting from your web site. But with no luck. Again I will try your setting u recommend. Thanks again.
Their detectors aren’t designed for the US and aren’t available here so I don’t test them. Please ask someone from your area to learn more or test yourself and let us know what you find. :)
Vortex what is your opinion on a replacement for an r-7 that was stolen... I was thinking of waiting till Prime day and buy another one. 500 is my limit what is the deal with this K40 Platinum is it junk that is my real question I'm trying to get in touch with you I don't know how to thanks for everything you do
Wow! The Uniden R7 really becoming a top contender in price and performance!
What's alarming is that many of these high end detectors are going to get owned by quick trigger on k band by an LEO. Escort has been slow for years, in effort to curb false alerts. I'm really surprised and disappointed to see the V1 being that slow, historically they were blistering fast. Either way, awesome job on the video as always Ariel. Your videos rock my world
It's still a great detector, just not against k band. That's been the biggest complaint with the V1G2 since it launched. Hope they improve their their weak spot.
Nick, Too broad a statement. See my comment thread posted on this video comment section.
Thanks for nice video!!! Uniden R7 still holds the crown two years after the release.
Pound for Pound, Dollar for Dollar, it is hard to beat the Uniden R Series .
I bought a R3 for my motorcycle- great purchase!
Agreed
I run dfr7 love it
I don’t know there are a lot of poor performance reviews about this thing
Not been my experience at all. I've been running the R3 and R7 for about 2 years. Very few surprises and the have only gotten better with the updates. Good luck on your detector purchase.
i stacked the r7+r3 for an r10 and i am invisible :o) ....good stuff..thanks for your work!
I've been very happy with my Uniden R7. The 1.37 firmware is so good that I am not inclined to update unless a new update is a significant improvement.
Amazing test results. So glad that I invested in my R7 last year. Best choice I've ever made.
So happy I went with the R3
Weak/distant instant on performance is pretty important in my book. I'd love to see you test that.
Me too, but after spending last month of my life to doing this test and creating the videos, I'm pretty sick of it by now, lol. Maybe I'll get back to it at some point and only publish the results in written form since it takes 1/100th the amount of time. Right now I'm burned out and the last thing I wanna do is go and do this again. Fortunately other people are actively doing this right now so it's not all up to me...
Looks like the R3 is bang for your buck!
Thanks for the test Vortex. Love your videos.
Well Done !!!!!!!!! I have this nagging suspicion that Escort uses you as their sole beta tester and they only hire engineers who barely made it to graduation
the red line escort is Turning in bottom of the barrel results. And the red line 360c shouldn't be doing that! 😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤪
Oh you're so brutally honest I love it! I almost bought this detector now I'm just going to buy another r7 for my other car that I just bought because I hate taking them in and out of vehicles. I'm going to save a ton of money as well buying another r7!
Wish you did the V1G1 also... considering you did the older R3 and even DFR8!!
lol... me too! www.rdforum.org/threads/111306/page-5#post-1614982
@@VortexRadar Looks like you need to get it back and do a V1G1 vs V1G2 test!!! You're welcome!
Clutch, See my comment thread posted on this video comment section. IMO, you are in good hands with the G2 with its current FW.
0:28 Vortex Radar Jr. haha.
I'm beginning to wonder if the radar scrambler on the RMR Judge scarmbles the signal going into the detector and not the police radar.
Would have love to seen the v1 gen 1. Non the less, great video.
Excellent test - going with the Rocky Mountain judge. ;)
Let us know from jail how that’s working out for you.
@@alexnutcasio936 jail for what charge?
@@tonymcflattie2450 scrambling and speeding……at same time.
@@alexnutcasio936 they will definitely get me for speeding, scrambling not so much as the Rocky Mountain only claims to scramble, but doesn’t deliver.
Great video! Appreciate how much time you spend putting all of this together!
Watched and liked, thanks. Appreciate you taking the time, and great reporting. Enjoying my R7 until Theia becomes available.
Theia is a fugazi
@@dadams1437 Covid has messed up a lot of things, so patience is required. I get it.
Pretty bad when Batman is beating Mike Valentine.
Alex, Too broad a statement. See my comment thread posted on this video comment section.
R3 is hard to beat for the money if you can handle the falses on k band. I'm constantly scanning traffic anyway I usually know that the Detector will false before it does. Plus when it does I make an immediate scan. It's not like you should be relying on the detector for 20mph over without a shield or rabbit or looking in your mirrors, checking on ramps etc.
You think like I do Slowcars. I did upgrade to the R7, primarily for the arrows but the R3 falses on K didn't bother me with my prior R3 because like you, generally I knew what caused it. It helped me be a More Alert Driver. Good post.
@@kx5e well I guess it’s based on what you need or like I myself do not want to be dealing with false alerts falls K bands so I wouldn’t buy the R7 or the r3
@@alambe7275 Well I guess you don't need a detector because they all false to K band. So far the new K band lock out feature of my R7 works great. And we just learned in this video it kicks all the others in reaction time. Good luck on picking one out that does everything perfect.
I just couldn’t stop laughing with the Road Scout performance😂😂😂
And this is why we own 2 R3s in our cars. We take it with us on every single road trip for the rental cars as well. If you need the arrows roll R7 but honestly I have had them since they came out and there is zero reason to upgrade or pick anything else.
Naah the Escort 360c is a better choice.
Next, can you test a divination pendulum against Ka Band? I suspect that it will have better range, and response time compared to the Judge.
As good as the Uniden detectors are, detection issues with weak instant on signals is extremely concerning. For me, the whole reason I look at range when considering radar detectors, is the assumption that greater range = greater likelihood of being saved from instant on. Unless a detector has poor off axis performance, constant on generally isn’t a threat. However, apparently my assumption that c/o range was equivalent to i/o range was flawed, at least with the R7. Hopefully it’s not the same with the R3, or a major assumption I gave weight to in choosing that detector was invalid.
Huh?
@@bc_usa The reason I would want sensitivity is to give me the greatest chance to detect instant on radar before I’m targeted. A detector that is less sensitive to instant on is more of a deal breaker for me than one that is less sensitive to constant on.
This was eye opening. Once upon a time (and I may be showing how old or out of touch I am) BEL radar detectors were typically in the upper tier and now they aren't even on the radar -- pun somewhat unintentional. I sold a friend a cheap detector 12 years ago that he still swears by -- a Sensoro traveller II silver bullet and I was running the cordless Sensoro Traveller myself and never got a ticket but I don't even know where I put it since I moved 8 years ago. But anyway with instant on K band and laser now in wide usage I just slow down and try not to be the fastest driver around and that has worked well for me. Plus I drive a pewter grey car now that seems to be invisible to police. I had one fly by me and pull over a red Miata and we were both driving the same speed.
She was better looking. 😜
I made it to the end lol. And thank you I watch alot of you're videos to try and learn more about these. I did buy the valentin v1 gen 2. 1 week ago before I seen this video. I hope they send out a update to speed it up. I'm still waiting for it to ship. Back ordered.
Thanks Vortex! This is why independent unbiased testing is critical. The Escort 360c is a 3 dressed up as a 9. V1g2 don’t believe what you read from them.
There are going to be some tech engineers losing their jobs after this video. Great video and thank you for testing. Looks like the Unidentifiable R series is the way to go.
Best testing I've ever seen. I would like to see you test 2 or 3 k band and 3-4 ka guns. Different manufactures of radar guns. Stationary and hidden behind bridges or other real world situations.
How is my man putting this quality information and not even have 500 likes on his video?
What were you saying? Lol
Sheriff uses k around my area. R3 has been great.
Seems like you got a speed reading with instant-on well before anyone would stand a chance of slowing down.
It's not just about getting a speed reading. The officer also has to visually identify the fastest car. If it's just you speeding down a country road alone, then it's easy to know who's speeding. When the officer is targeting a bunch of cars traveling closely together on a highway, you have slightly more time to slow down before the officer pinpoints you as the guy going +20 in the group.
@@Factoryseconds123 -- Good point. Seems like laser would be better in the latter situation. But maybe not all cops have it.
@@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow correct, most of your state police use laser and some locals have it, but the thing about laser is that they have to be stationary while using it because it’s such a precise beam. Instant K and Ka can be used on traffic/individuals with the officer driving (in your direction or opposite) as well as stationary.
@@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow Lasor would be better pinpointing a car in a group, however laser, fortunately, does not work in a moving patrol car. Has to be stationary.
Cool to see the performance difference between Uniden R and DFR series. Judge - if I can’t see you then you can’t see me.
Thanks, Vortex. There's some great info here.
Thanks for putting your time and effort into these videos. I live in Australia and have an escort 360c. It works OK for me
I think an experiment for the future would be to park the car at some distance (with speed muting disabled), time a shot, wait until it resets and repeat 10 times. Find the min/mean/max. With a larger number of samples, it would better account for time variations (where in the scan cycle it happens to be). Ultimately, the max time is what you care about, or maybe the 90th percentile time, in case there was some experimental variance.
Sounds like to me that the response time with instant on is about as important as a direct hit of laser. There is no ONE or any automobile that can react fast enough to an instant on hit. Whether it is .3 seconds or 1.3 seconds. I would say the V1 is still the best detector to go with. Especially being that the R-series units are having an issue with faint instant-on signals. That is far more significant.
Robert, fully agree. See my comment thread posted on this video comment section. My testing with my HR confirms your thoughts. However the R7 with 1.35, is still pretty good if you are able to handle more BSM falsing.
Great testing. 💜my DFR9
I'm liking the response testing. 👍
I would love to see these same detectors tested with all LIDAR types.
Great job, im glad I chose the R7. :)
These videos are awesome in being informative but over all with the info I've gathered from your videos and my personal encounters with my redline I am starting to really regret my purchase of redline 360c. 👎 expected so much more for the cash spent
Just sell that bad boy and use the money to buy a better one put it on craigslist put it on offer up
@@alambe7275 yepp thinking about cutting my losses and going back to a r3 (they are illegal in my area. Need the rdd immunity and r7 is too detectable for my liking )
Being a recent purchaser of both the Escort Redline 360c (using in my truck) and the (using on my motorcycle)
I love my Uniden R3. I run an R3 for the range, and a Beltronics v6 to know when they are within ticketing range.
Excellent content as always Vortex.
Have you tested the Redline 360c again since firmware 1.9 came out?
Yes sir! ruclips.net/video/bo6uo7jo4wI/видео.html
Im glad you touched on THIS subject because i was recently thinking About investing into getting be a speeding radar detector i want it inside of my vehicle on dash board GREAT video by the way💯
Only issue i have is your run the radar’s so low on the winshield. If you have ever taken apart a radar they funnel signal in. I have an escort max and it haves longer range than anyone i have seen. So much as 7 miles
I would have slept better with a Rick roll than a baby shark attack, damn you. 😆
Great video as always. My only question, is it possible to also track the distance that the detector is at, at the time of detection by the gun..that would be interesting.
Wow, this is an eye opener I really want my Redline 360C to work well, let's hope that they come out with an upgrade we pay all this money only to find out that a lesser detector can beat the 360C, great video.
Yes I agree plus it is always to do your research before purchasing. If you want to you can always sell that bad boy and use the money to get something better that’s what I would do
They did its called the Max 360c.
@Alambe727 LOL The Escorts are excellent what are you talking about? They don't have to be perfect they just need to get the job done.
I gave up on radar detectors years... Decades ago.. I live in South Florida. It is cheaper to higher the ticket clinic and get the case thrown out of pay a fine cheaper than the ticket . The fine and lawyer were never higher than a high end radar detector.
this guys like the Project Farm of radar detectors.
Engineering Explained……
I would not go that far. Project farm dude, if still the case, makes no affiliate commissions, is not beta tester for certain brands. So many people on RUclips have outright sponsorships (OP here indicates on this channel not so), various selective perks, affiliate links which generate good income (OP has). Project Farm makes his good fortune by massive RUclips engagement techniques by his fans only (so far from what I have observed).
I wonder if the V1 gen 2 is better since some updates have arrived
None of the updates have changed anything here yet
@@VortexRadar I greatly appreciate the answer.
I want to buy a Redline 360c, but I'll hold on to my Max 360c until Escort improves the sensitivity to Instant on.
Was thinking the same thing but with instant on radar does it really matter? As soon as you're hit with instant on your SOL with any of these radars. But the flip side the range of these top radars they'll detect off and on from plenty of distance to slow down. Or am I missing something?
@@dtbrown1978 no you hit it dead on there are some people that watch videos like this and just immediately panic even though the radar detector that they are using works great for them
@Alambe727 Exactly. They watch one video and that's it ..xyz must be trash.
Enjoyed the testing results, very informative.
Vortex thank you for all of your testing and research! I am not sure what testing the different detectors with non OEM power cords is for. I am thinking owners will use the power cords that came with the detector. I am surprised Uncle Sam doesn't go after Rocky Mountain Radar for their claims about scrambling RADAR signals. It is against FCC regulations to interfere with radio signals. Thank you again!
Well if you’re testing lots of detectors, is it safe to use one brand of cable for lots of detectors? Most people won’t care for their purposes, that’s true, but it’s good to know if test results should be invalidated because of that.
As a disclaimer I usually have cops using "instant on" on cars ahead of me and I get the notification plenty of cars ahead so by the time they trigger me I'm down to the right speed so response time really doesn't matter.
Your name is very fitting, lol
@@VortexRadar lol
Exactly, anyone who speeds on empty roads are looking to get caught. Make sure there's other cars ahead of you and youll know a mile before
Am I right in thinking none of these times would matter much as by the time you know you have been shot with radar the officer has your speed on his gun and your out of luck with instant on?
Yes, if you're the target. If you're behind the target, a quicker detector theoretically would be able to pick up a quick shot ahead, whereas with a slower detector that failed to pick up that initial shot, you'd theoretically drive into the radar trap unaware.
The deadliest speed enforcement, in my opinion, is instant on. Done well by the officer, there is no defense against it other than the off chance of picking up a shot meant for someone else ahead.
Thanks for doing this. I'd be curious to know the "cost" of V1 K filtering. I realize the unit would drive you nuts without K filtering on, but I wonder how quick it would be.
Russ, See my comment thread posted on this video comment section.
Next video should be laser sensitivity 👍👍
Thumbs up for flashlight Morse code signals to sync. Test Is great also.
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Still love mine r3 never disappoint me
Reference to the rocky mountain model - Isn't radar jamming illegal? Like, not get a ticket illegal but federally illegal?
I assume that the Uniden R1 would return the same results (all things being equal) as the R3. Correct?
I’d expect so, yeah :)
Great test! Thank you, the results are very useful to me.
In my cross-country driving.... the only K band signals I get are from roadside speed signs for construction sites, sharp corners or speed awareness areas. Are there any areas that you know of that actually use K band for speed enforcement where they rely on this technology to write tickets? If so, might you have a generalized list of cities/states?
Another of small towns across the United states...population below 50 thousand
Why are the radar detectors mounted low on the windshield? I thought they are supposed to be mounted high to get better performance.
Impressive testing!
Thank you for the great tests! Which one replaced the Escort Max 360?
Why do they use phone jacks(RJ11)? upgrade to type c.
Am I missing something? Assuming that the gun result is accurate, then even if the detector detects the signal in .50 seconds, you are still toast unless you are not the lead vehicle. I don't see the point in testing instant on.
Correct, no detector can beat instant on if you are the only person on the road, or happen to be the lead vehicle. The good news is that most police don't shoot instant on. It's much easier for them to leave it transmitting and catch the 98% of non radar detecting drivers.
I have a cobra it's not that one for sure the one you showed pretty damn good when my car gets back I'll find out exactly what kind it is and said you ran a test on it the one I have
Luckily for me, here in South Florida cops don't use K band, all in all my Radenso SP has saved me ass several times, so I can't complain about it's performance.
Some place do use it
Where? Locals in South FL do so...
Rather than clapping to calibrate, I would use a light to sync both videos
Yeah I liked the flashlight trick. I think I'll keep doing that. :)
@@VortexRadar Good luck, thanks for the videos, and see you on RDF!
Thank you for the very comprehensive review. I run my V1-G1 and V1-G2 with MirrorTap power cords. I'm pleased with the response times I'm seeing, but now I'm curious. Have you tested various detectors with MirrorTap cords?
Those cables are power only. No data pins for remote muting. They are universal and work fine with any detector.
Rollin if you are curious, See my comment thread posted on this video comment section. You should be pleased. Your V1-G2 IMO/testing will be fine picking up HR K band LEO actual I/O outside the kill zone where it counts.
@@johnross6314 I have zero complaints about my V1-G2. I live in Florida where 99% of the threats are Ka and the warnings give me ample time to react. Of course, I’m smart enough not to outrun my detector. And I try to not be the fastest car on the road since my B5 Blue Challenger tends to stand out.
DS1?
so i can run my escort smart cable with my R3 and all is good ?????
While it’s generally best to use the factory cable, yes it should be okay.
Does colour of the car affect speed detections
Link for the radar Gun?
Can you do a similar test for laser jammers please
I have no immediate plans for another laser jammers test. Maybe someday.
@@VortexRadar no problem! But if you could recommend a laser jammer it would be much appreciated!
@@jakeg9711 ALP all day - he has tons of videos on different set ups
Am I missing something? With instant on radar does it really matter? As soon as you're hit with instant on your SOL with any of these radars. But the flip side the range of these top radars they'll detect off and on from plenty of distance to slow down. But I guess having that extra detection speed from a distance gives you that bit extra detection.
Why is no one is talking about Radenso NOT providing firmware updates for Mac/iOS. Only for Android, they just lost 3 sales.
They are talking about it. It’s in the works, but not available yet. www.rdforum.org/threads/116154/ As a fellow Mac / iOS user, I’m looking forward to it too.
Had a quick question, is the K band instant on only able to used by a stationary officer or while they are rolling as well. I live in NC and had a hard hit like instant in while I was driving, but only thing coming at me was a Ford Supercrew Pickup, don't think but could have been unmarked?? Welcome to any feedback and info.
Yep you can do it while driving just as easily.
@@VortexRadar thanks for the info, it was just a weird vehicle choice for unmarked. Is there a list anywhere of what bands are in use in your state and your specific area?
What about max 360 and cobra pro 360
I'm sure I could do a test with 50 different detectors and people would still ask "but what about detector ABC?" lol
DC Fluid over on RDF did testing that included the DP 360. I also have older Max 360 when first introduced. It is at least as quick as the 360c. See my comment thread here on the comment section. My street testing of my HR with arrow Escort products (no Red Line 360c) included the Max 360, and a GT360 (which is essentially a DP 360) worked well way outside the kill zone picking up real life LEO grade instant on testing.
Great stuff!
Hey Vortex - I asked this on your instant-on Ka video as well: With the poor showing of the RedLine, do you feel like it is still worthy of the title of 'best all around detector'? Are you still using it as your go-to daily driver?
We're having a discussion about that here: www.rdforum.org/threads/111347/post-1609734
So I was starting to lean more towards the R7 and then we recently discovered some issues with it with the latest update too.
At the end of the day, there is no perfect detector and they all have trade-offs...
please make a tot with radenso ds1
I’m getting my R7 on Saturday. I’m sick of my Redline 360c>
You saved me from buying the cobra road Scott
Question, I just ordered a redline 360C, will my dash cam DR900X effect the Redline360 if I mounted below it or above? Thank in advance for all your time making the videos to guild us.
I have sometimes seen issues with the 5 GHz WiFi triggering Ka falses on nearby detectors. Spacing them out or switching to 2.4 GHz resolves the issue. I have no issue with the RL360c and the DR900S or DR900X.
When does the Theia come out? They're always having excuses as to why they're not out. Making me lose interest and hope in that and considering other options.
For those of you in Pennsylvania, I got hit by IO K band by Penn State Trooper, Hwy 15 south of Harrisburg
1.37 on R7 slow it down on K band? Uhmmm…. The social media influencer here had 1.37 final beta (birdies say), back when these videos were made. Judgment call deciding on how to present this test knowing that there were issues reported (and still reported by DC Fluid) with the Falcon HR with the R7 on 1.37. If I understand DC text, there were some situations where the R7 should have alerted. Instead “it failed to alert to the point where I thought there was a radar or detector malfunction. Nope, highly inconsistent runs.” This is with production R7 firmware. Birdies suggest this was also known with 1.37 when RDF members were testing it before announced.
There are no unicorns… R series has good record of K band reaction. However, they have been tweaking the FW to help with the high rate (over other detectors) of falsing to blind spot monitors. Plus, there are recent arrow accuracy issues while they tweak the FW. My G2s, 360c(s) Pro M, are much better at BSM rejection compared to the R7s I have. Crying wolf (R7 falsing) elimination during street driving is higher priority than half second faster “in the kill zone” alerting. IMO.
We didn’t find any issues in our beta testing. If we did, you better believe we’d report them, haha, just like with how autolockouts weren’t working well at launch. I tested Ka with 1.35 and 1.37, but didn’t test K with both firmwares.
In any event, all the info we have so far on 1.37 issues is being shared with Uniden and they’re taking a look over everything.
@@VortexRadar For now, looks like 1.35 will do. Thanks to DC and others, maybe saved
folks running 1.37 in heavy K band areas from tickets. Next up testing? Do similar I/O testing you did where radar detectors as outside kill range, towards the end of their detection range using constant on (C/O). Then test the HR clocking actual vehicles using reasonable I/O LEO practices (say 3&5 seconds), and see how the radar detectors pick that signal up. That way does decent simulation of real world capability of catching HR K band I/O speed traps outside the kill zone.
I have done that testing using my thoughts above, on hand full of detectors using my HR. Cannot post the results on RDF. To summarize… All arrow brands I tested (except did not have RL 360) passed with flying colors. I did not repeat the test with FW 1.37 on the R7s. Figure wait until they fix 1.37 mess.
In end, anyone who has picked up R7 from supply chain that has 1.37, IMO, is in some danger in high K band use areas. They may not know about DC results in RDF. I suggest a alert in this with your channel. Plus, for those TX, WA and beta partners in other states, that more real life and specific testing is done on late stage beta releases. This issue missed could burn some users (based on reports). Uniden should pay consulting fees for that targeted testing work IMO.
Which one radar would you recommend ?
Here you go: www.vortexradar.com/best-radar-detectors/
R7 is king.
It is consistent. I love mine.
I guess for that ultra rare K band operator uniden is best.
Pretty common for your county/city Leos in my region.
Smaller departments still run them
I do 150k miles a year driving all over the country and sometimes Canada I very rarely see K band being used. 5 years ago maybe hear and there(Tx and Kansas and the Sheriffs in Phoenix ) but not anymore. Only speeds signs now.
@@jasswear8911 still in use all over rural NC
@@JONNYGEEKMANG was just driving thru NC on back highways I must have missed it. Anyway if you’re finding unicorn K and X instant-on guns in rural isolated smallville USA and u absolutely need that extra .5 second reaction time than have at it.
I just tested my R4 with my bushnell k band gun and for instant on I got 0.20 and pop I got 0.15
Do u recommend to turn off the tsr on the uniden 7. And should k filter be on or off.
With all due respect, if you're asking if you should disable the K Filter (which would lead to a ton of extra false alerts), it may be best to just use my recommended settings. www.vortexradar.com/2019/04/how-to-set-up-configure-uniden-r7-radar-detector/
Ty. Will try your setting. I’m in silver spring Maryland. Sometimes I’m not picking up what my local police is using . Been trying other user setting from your web site. But with no luck. Again I will try your setting u recommend. Thanks again.
Neoline rezults in K band?
Their detectors aren’t designed for the US and aren’t available here so I don’t test them. Please ask someone from your area to learn more or test yourself and let us know what you find. :)
Vortex what is your opinion on a replacement for an r-7 that was stolen...
I was thinking of waiting till Prime day and buy another one. 500 is my limit what is the deal with this K40 Platinum is it junk that is my real question I'm trying to get in touch with you I don't know how to thanks for everything you do
R7 ftw