@@EGGINFOOLS depends on application. Sport mode doesn’t either in some vehicles. it’s just trans logic where faster accel is from ringing out a gear and slapping up shifts. Neither of them are increasing power or torque except for some cars like Fiesta ST and i30N where it has an overboost
@@EGGINFOOLSreally depends on the vehicle. My 5.7 Tundra has significantly improved throttle response and shifts at higher rpm’s when in Tow Haul mode. I haven’t timed the difference, but I’d bet it’s half a second faster than normal mode 0-60.
Who ya got in that race? Damn it's going to be so interesting because the ranger with the V6 is going to have the most horsepower but the Tacoma is going to be up on torque at least 35 ft lbs but down on horsepower by like 70hp... who knows
Once you drive a vehicle with adaptive cruise control, cruise control will seem like relic technology. Have it in Canyon Denali. Set the speed to highest you are willing to go, set distance u want between u and any vehicle in front of u, and then let it do its thing. Even comes to full stop then seat vibrates when time to move. Touch has and u are back in action. Really useful tech.
@@OnTheRocks71 the 2.3 Evoboost really is more the direct rival engine. Both are 4 cylinder, both have a single turbo. A twin turbo V6 with same overall displacement is a little far removed for a head to head
The high output is like a $395 option and to my understanding you can go to the dealership even after purchasing the truck and receive a tune for the high output
That 430lbft should give a nice shot when passing/accelerating to get on the highway when towing, and for the $300 or $400 to get the tune it's an easy decision
Yeah I didnt think there would be much difference in a drag race to illustrate the increased peak torque, but it's quite evident it improves the torque curve throughout. I would definitely put that on my to-do list if I had the regular 2.7 plus motor.
I had a mid eighties Nissan 4x4. My buddy and I were headed down the interstate and he asked if I had cruise control. I told him heck yeah we’re cruising and it’s under control.😂
its the smaller tires of the Canyon, puts more power down to the wheels then the Colorado. the extra torque helps since the HO will pull in the mid range better but the tire size plays a big roll in it
More torque is good. But squeezing more torque out of the same engine just means a shorter engine life. Unless GM is upgrading engine internals on the h.o. model.
@@carbonking53 A lot of unproven technology. At least unproven outside of GM validation testing. Don't know how long you've been around but GM testing doesn't have a "World Class" history over the past 50 years.
@@chiefman8316 I've had 4 gm engines over 200k, a friend has one over 300k and the I've never had to put any engine in the others I got rid of that were over 150k, so personally I'd have no concerns.
Hahahaha great fun video guys , love watching your feed , incredible the difference between both trucks. What I would like to see is a race between the 22 V6 against the New Canyon. I have a 21 elevation V6 crew cab long box , love the truck so far. Great comparison and thanks for the video. Keep up the great work 💪👊
Andre, don't feel bad about not having cruise control. 99.9% of all the vehicles I have owned had it and I have never used it......not even on long trips! I am in my 50's and still use my mirrors to back up. The rear camera is nice, but I am old school! Cheers!
Your classic horsepower/torque explanation with a wall is not correct. You were correct about horsepower, it tells you how fast you hit a wall. But torque doesn't tell you how far you go through the wall, it tell you how far you can move that wall if you try to push it or pull it.
Remember us old guys when we put a choke cable on the carb linkage to a handle inside the cab on our old trucks make our own half whitted cruise control?
It won’t be any faster than this GMC with the HO tune, it has the same power! My Colorado Trail Boss with every option you can get is 20k less than the ZR2 plus I have same power!
The Silverado version of the 2.7 turbo has a great aftermarket parts market that helps you squeeze a a bit more juice out of those motors. That being said, it won't be long before the Colorados and Canyons have those same power upgrades available. So I would opt for the lower version, based on that price difference. Make yours that fast within a couple of years for MUCH less.
the torque is only 10% more.....I guess with the MT's the net effect could be a bit more realistically? I'd love the extra 40 ft/lbs Torque on my new Trail Boss but it's just not worth the cost. $150 CDN they'd have every Turbo-Plus engine owner do it in a heartbeat :) Howz your MPG doing now Andre?
I'm a little surprised to see no comments about the "matching" outfits... Roman matching the Colorado, and Andre matching the Canyon! Now Andre needs to get the upgrade and compare again to see if it's the same as getting the high output from the factory!
Really don’t like that this engine option thing is just a money grab by GM. You’re not getting any additional hardware for your money just a “tune”. What’s next, you have A/C but if you want really cold A/C then that’ll be an additional $1,000.
HP tells you the tractive effort one engine can generate at a given speed vs another. An engine with higher HP will be able to put more force to the pavement at any speed than an engine with less HP, factoring in gearing. This is why 8/9/10 speed transmissions are great. They let the engine operate at or very near the HP peak regardless of speed. A 400hp engine with a 10 speed is more likely to end up at peak HP rpm and put more force to the pavement than a 400 hp engine with a 4 speed.
I think you may be mixing up hp & torque. Generally speaking the hp peak of an engine is very high in its rpm range while peak torque is usually much lower, more so with many of the more recent small turbo gas engines. The idea of the multi speed transmission should be to keep the engine operating near the torque peak. I guess to put it more appropriately, cruising at peak torque and being able to access peak hp on demand( downshifting), but you wouldn’t want peak hp at all times or you’d be at high rpm’s at all times. The 8/9/10 spd transmissions (with 2 or 3 overdrives) your talking about are intended for fuel economy.
People used to buy trucks or cars because they fit their needs, now it seems everything has to be about power and speed and trying to impress the world. I personally wouldn't buy any of this new stuff no matter who makes it.
turbos are expensive...probably better to stick w/a tune and an exhaust. heavy wheels and tires don't help. are there lighter parts (fenders, hood, etc) for these trucks?
Only watched the first min but running the truck against the car hurts the next race as heat soak is a thing in racing. After watching not sure it would have made much of a difference
In Andre's defense, I've never owned a Chevy, car or truck, that the cruise control worked the entire time I owned it anyway... they always crap out. Might just be cuz I buy used only though.
It hurts my heart when I see how many of those four cylinder engines are making their way into Camaros and full-size Silverados 😂. I'm not as disappointed with the idea of it in a Colorado or Canyon, although the baby Duramax would be more ideal.
I’ve never liked how we measure torque and hp. High torque is just having hp at a lower rpm. If we just looked at hp over the rpm range then torque becomes meaningless. This is why a slightly lower hp turbo is usually faster than na engine with more hp. The turbo has more hp over the bottom 3/4 of the rpm range.
I can't wait to modify my Ford Explorer Sport Trac V8. Then, pull up to some other mid-size trucks and eat them up. May go after full-size pickups as well😈🙌🏾😈💯
Wow! The outgoing Ford Ranger you have/had is faster than Andres brand new Colorado! And .16 seconds slower than the brand new GMC Canyon. 2.3 Vs 2.7 270hp Vs 310hp 310lb ft Vs 390/430lb ft🤯🤯🤯
This video had me curious what a Silverado Trail Boss would do against a Colorado Trail Boss. To make it fair, use the 5.3 V8 with 10-speed. If I was close I would bring my 6.2 Trail Boss.
@Dutch Torque x RPM divided 5252 = Horsepower. Roman does not use the correct analogy for Torque vs HP. Torque is work, Torque can not accerate you. A Massey Ferguson tractor has 1000tq and 20Hp. They aren't fast. The best way to describe Horse power is that it represents Torque over time, meaning HP is a number for how Long your engine makes Torque throughout your REV range. If your Horse power is the same, but one engine has more peak torque, it simply means that the higher Torque engine makes Torque for shorter period of time while Reving. The Roll race should have been dead even. Either Andres truck has a problem , or they are sand bagging the race. I'll give you one more example. L98 powered Camaro 245HP 350Tq. LS1 powered Camaro, 305Hp 345tq. Lower Torque, but we know the LS1 car is massively faster, like 2 full seconds quicker in the 1/4 mile. Because it makes more Torque over time.
@@terrencejones9817 while the peak horsepower figure is the same, that doesnt mean horsepower isnt improved elsewhere in the rpm range. It's just with the increased torque here, it must have more of a peak to it's torque curve but that can still mean meaningful gains for applications like a pickup truck.
@ALMX5DP GM Claims Peak HP is at the Same RPM for both engines. While the higher torque engine achieves is torque peak at a higher RPM vs the Lower torque engine. For the peak HP to be the same, especially at the same RPM ,that means the High output turbo engines torque drops off very quickly vs the Turbo plus. Moreover, both engines' peak torque are well below the RPMs in a roll race. A roll race with an 8 speed would see the RPMs stay very close to red line for everything but the start of the race. Neither of the engines' peak torque will come into play, considering they are down around 3000rpm. I haven't seen a dyno plot to the tires of these trucks yet, but its actually possible that the Turbo plus engine, makes better torque in the high RPM vs the " High out" engine. Edit: Yes for towing the higher torque helps you get a heavy trailer moving easier, with less RPM needed. But this was a drag race. That higher torque should not do anything, other than the first few feet off the line. I've driven many of these Turbo 2.7 engines, the Torque converter will flash 3000rpm off the line, neither engine will spend any time at peak torque during a drag race.
@@terrencejones9817 Exactly! THIS is why my 22’ Canyon with a naturally aspirated 308 hp V6 and a low 4200 lb curb weight consistently runs 6.3 second 0-60’s, and with all of 275 lb ft torque. I actually walked one of these new 23’ Canyons from a dig AND a roll, and the guy in the Canyon was dumbfounded. When I tried to explain to him that having a lower curb weight mated to N/A V6 that doesn’t expend all its torque lower in the rev range is what keeps the truck pulling as it reaches higher speeds, he just kept on about how much of a torque advantage he has over me. Never mind that his truck weighs almost 500 lbs MORE than mine and his acceleration isn’t linear, but limited to a torque curve that starts out high but rapidly diminishes as RPM’s increase.
Tow haul is the poor man’s sport mode.
basically the same thing when your foot is mated: holds gears, firmer shifts .
So what your saying is my 02 Silverado has a sport mode, YES!
Tow haul doesn't make anything faster
@@EGGINFOOLS depends on application. Sport mode doesn’t either in some vehicles. it’s just trans logic where faster accel is from ringing out a gear and slapping up shifts. Neither of them are increasing power or torque except for some cars like Fiesta ST and i30N where it has an overboost
@@EGGINFOOLSreally depends on the vehicle. My 5.7 Tundra has significantly improved throttle response and shifts at higher rpm’s when in Tow Haul mode. I haven’t timed the difference, but I’d bet it’s half a second faster than normal mode 0-60.
Until Andre got his new truck, I didn't even know cruise control was still an option.
GM's cheapness knows no bounds.
@@nicholassmith7048 Seriously. Just like power windows and locks, I thought that cruise control was standard in all vehicles nowadays.
With the price there wanting for these new trucks cruise control should def be included.
Neither did he!! 😂
On all Canyons cruise controll is standard, not so much on the Colorado.
Definitely want to see this race later with the Colorado/Canyon, Tacoma and Ranger all in their newest models!
Who ya got in that race? Damn it's going to be so interesting because the ranger with the V6 is going to have the most horsepower but the Tacoma is going to be up on torque at least 35 ft lbs but down on horsepower by like 70hp... who knows
Unreal that a 40k midsize truck does not come with cruise control
My trail boss came with it? I paid $41k out the door.
@@braydonbriggs9066same
I doubt it doesn’t. My WT Colorado has cruise control
Once you drive a vehicle with adaptive cruise control, cruise control will seem like relic technology. Have it in Canyon Denali. Set the speed to highest you are willing to go, set distance u want between u and any vehicle in front of u, and then let it do its thing. Even comes to full stop then seat vibrates when time to move. Touch has and u are back in action. Really useful tech.
Wouldn't be worth $8k, but $395 is a no brainer
You shoild have thrown in a full size with the 2.7 also and see how it compares. Just for fun.
Wildcard. F-150 2.7 V6 Ecoboost.
@@OnTheRocks71 the 2.3 Evoboost really is more the direct rival engine. Both are 4 cylinder, both have a single turbo. A twin turbo V6 with same overall displacement is a little far removed for a head to head
But the numbers are closer and displacement is the same
@@OnTheRocks71 it would SMOKE the Colorado and canyon.
@@OnTheRocks71Ranger 2.3 Ecoboost would be the better comparison
I work at a gmc dealership. I love the new canyons. Im getting my sand metallic canyon at4 in July, I cannot wait.
Glad to hear it mate, good luck with your new beast
I think the Nitro Yellow Metallic paint adds extra weight.
but its still lighter since no cruise control lol!
The high output is like a $395 option and to my understanding you can go to the dealership even after purchasing the truck and receive a tune for the high output
Yes, you can. Idk why they are claiming it is $8,000
That 430lbft should give a nice shot when passing/accelerating to get on the highway when towing, and for the $300 or $400 to get the tune it's an easy decision
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@@mattbrew11 stay ironic, bud.
Yeah I didnt think there would be much difference in a drag race to illustrate the increased peak torque, but it's quite evident it improves the torque curve throughout. I would definitely put that on my to-do list if I had the regular 2.7 plus motor.
Is it worth voiding the warranty?
@@darrelwhite2649 it's a factory option that can be installed at a dealer. Fully covered under warranty.
thank you TFL for all of the Canyon/Colorado vids! Just picked up my 2023 AT4 Canyon and its awesome!!!
Poor Andre and his missing cruise control. 😂
I had a mid eighties Nissan 4x4. My buddy and I were headed down the interstate and he asked if I had cruise control. I told him heck yeah we’re cruising and it’s under control.😂
One has cruise control, one doesn’t
I’m sure Tommy has cruise control on that Camaro 😂😂
Can you get splash/mud guards for the front wheel wells on the Trailboss or is it a supplier issue that only the rear has them ??
I remember when Andre didnt speak English in the videos... I've been enjoying your videos for a long time! Thanks TFL!
its the smaller tires of the Canyon, puts more power down to the wheels then the Colorado. the extra torque helps since the HO will pull in the mid range better but the tire size plays a big roll in it
Is there a difference in the weight and or overall size of the tires and wheels? That could effect the results
More torque is good. But squeezing more torque out of the same engine just means a shorter engine life. Unless GM is upgrading engine internals on the h.o. model.
@@carbonking53 Yes Time will tell it is still a GM 4bangerturbo will it last 200k miles like a Toyota or Honda??? Do we take a $50k gamble???
Probably more like detuning the lesser engine
@@carbonking53 A lot of unproven technology. At least unproven outside of GM validation testing. Don't know how long you've been around but GM testing doesn't have a "World Class" history over the past 50 years.
It's already upgraded and designed from the beginning to be boosted more. Look up the specs. It's a heavy duty 4 cyl.
@@chiefman8316 I've had 4 gm engines over 200k, a friend has one over 300k and the I've never had to put any engine in the others I got rid of that were over 150k, so personally I'd have no concerns.
Andre take your truck to the dealer and have them put the 430 tune on your truck for $700, totally worth it.
Dang, now inflation has hit the tune. Harsh.
Sounds about right at the stealership, $350 for the flash and $350 for labor 😂
or do pedal commander lvl 9 all the time
Hahahaha great fun video guys , love watching your feed , incredible the difference between both trucks.
What I would like to see is a race between the 22 V6 against the New Canyon. I have a 21 elevation V6 crew cab long box , love the truck so far. Great comparison and thanks for the video. Keep up the great work 💪👊
Andre, don't feel bad about not having cruise control. 99.9% of all the vehicles I have owned had it and I have never used it......not even on long trips! I am in my 50's and still use my mirrors to back up. The rear camera is nice, but I am old school! Cheers!
Your classic horsepower/torque explanation with a wall is not correct. You were correct about horsepower, it tells you how fast you hit a wall. But torque doesn't tell you how far you go through the wall, it tell you how far you can move that wall if you try to push it or pull it.
Technically its only $395 for the dealer installed tune! You can crack it up to 430 that way as well
what about the tow ratings for a practical evaluation?
Is launch control in Baja mode not available in these trucks? Or is that a next year bison option?
Andre, is that more torx or torques?
Serious question, after 5-6 months with the Colorado, would you buy it again or opt for something else?
As long as I could meet my towing/hauling requirements, I'd rather have the $8000.00 in my pocket.
Remember us old guys when we put a choke cable on the carb linkage to a handle inside the cab on our old trucks make our own half whitted cruise control?
So if its just calibration. Wonder if aftermarket will do the same cheaper or yank more hp out of it
You can actually buy the high output tune directly from gm for $395 and get the exact same power.
15sec on a truck is not bad. Looking forward to the new tacoma head-to-head with the Colorado zr2.
It won’t be any faster than this GMC with the HO tune, it has the same power! My Colorado Trail Boss with every option you can get is 20k less than the ZR2 plus I have same power!
@@jimmycline4778But none of the capability outside of that.
Not sure why it matters if your offroading/mini work truck is faster than another truck, or a camaro.
C'mon, everyone knows real men buy trucks for drag racing and not truck functions. 😂
Why didn't you race the high output vs the Camaro that would have been pretty close
Hahaha I knew it was coming and you delivered
Cruised on thru lol
We all love you Andre lol
Good afternoon where is the drag race of the Ranger and Colorado or Canyon??
7:51 “maybe Roman fell asleep in the… WHAT!?” Lol
how nice of the rental company to give Tommy an "upgrade" from the Altima
Is the reliability the same between the powertrains though?
How is anyone supposed to factually speak to that on first model year vehicles the year they are released?
Did the truck throw any codes? Keep us posted there are any issues. Thanks! Dig your videos.
My son bought a used Chevy Cruze without cruise control. He didn't realize it until he brought it home.
Cruze control
The Silverado version of the 2.7 turbo has a great aftermarket parts market that helps you squeeze a a bit more juice out of those motors. That being said, it won't be long before the Colorados and Canyons have those same power upgrades available. So I would opt for the lower version, based on that price difference. Make yours that fast within a couple of years for MUCH less.
I rented a Camaro last week from AVIS just like that one. Nice car!
Love the channel, guys! 😂😂 I'll keep my V8 guys! Thanks anyway!
What is the 0-60 on the high output
What is the point of the 430tq in a midsize chassis. Truck won’t tow or haul more. The lower output engine will last longer most likely.
Very interesting video and I always love the drag races. Will you upgrade your engine now Andre?
If he wants to use his truck in drag races, yes. For a truck, no purpose.
@@elche1976 He tows and said in another video he was considering it
Skip to 7:40 for the drag race. You're welcome
the torque is only 10% more.....I guess with the MT's the net effect could be a bit more realistically? I'd love the extra 40 ft/lbs Torque on my new Trail Boss but it's just not worth the cost. $150 CDN they'd have every Turbo-Plus engine owner do it in a heartbeat :) Howz your MPG doing now Andre?
It’s a $450 tune at the dealer
That’s worth it
Is 40 lb-ft worth a $395 tune?
Maybe my 2wd Canyon will be faster with less 4wd components to add weight to the truck. Does that make sence?
I'm a little surprised to see no comments about the "matching" outfits... Roman matching the Colorado, and Andre matching the Canyon!
Now Andre needs to get the upgrade and compare again to see if it's the same as getting the high output from the factory!
Did y’all get rid of the Ranger???
How about the high output vs the older v6🤔
Really don’t like that this engine option thing is just a money grab by GM. You’re not getting any additional hardware for your money just a “tune”. What’s next, you have A/C but if you want really cold A/C then that’ll be an additional $1,000.
I think MB and Audi make you subscribe to get extra power. At least you get to buy it and keep it with Chevy.
@@99-Zulu For now...GM announced a couple of days ago they intend to jump on the subscription bandwagon.
Great video guys!
Go get the flash upgrade Andre. :)
A good test to show the difference in added torque would be 0-60 while towing!
HP tells you the tractive effort one engine can generate at a given speed vs another. An engine with higher HP will be able to put more force to the pavement at any speed than an engine with less HP, factoring in gearing.
This is why 8/9/10 speed transmissions are great. They let the engine operate at or very near the HP peak regardless of speed. A 400hp engine with a 10 speed is more likely to end up at peak HP rpm and put more force to the pavement than a 400 hp engine with a 4 speed.
I think you may be mixing up hp & torque. Generally speaking the hp peak of an engine is very high in its rpm range while peak torque is usually much lower, more so with many of the more recent small turbo gas engines. The idea of the multi speed transmission should be to keep the engine operating near the torque peak. I guess to put it more appropriately, cruising at peak torque and being able to access peak hp on demand( downshifting), but you wouldn’t want peak hp at all times or you’d be at high rpm’s at all times. The 8/9/10 spd transmissions (with 2 or 3 overdrives) your talking about are intended for fuel economy.
No physical head light switch and missing cruise control? Wild
The slight extra power is not worth the price. The cruise control option is worth a few extra bucks though.
You should race with the cruise control on.
Where is the ranger 🤔
People used to buy trucks or cars because they fit their needs, now it seems everything has to be about power and speed and trying to impress the world. I personally wouldn't buy any of this new stuff no matter who makes it.
Instant gratification society where people buy to get validation from others instead for things they need to do. Nailed it.
You should go back & watch some ads from the 70’s, 80’s & 90’s.
Add a good tune on any of the vehicles and I bet another 25HP is possible. Add a better turbo and there's another 35HP.
turbos are expensive...probably better to stick w/a tune and an exhaust. heavy wheels and tires don't help. are there lighter parts (fenders, hood, etc) for these trucks?
Yaya gmc is getting improved
Andres Colorado vs. Silverado 2500hd 6.6 next?
During that first race I thought I was going to have to get out the calendar
Great Video! Any idea when Chevy will start building and delivering ZR2's? I would like to have my 23 before 24!
Exactly why I went to get the Denali. Been pushed so many times. But I’m glad I swapped
Only watched the first min but running the truck against the car hurts the next race as heat soak is a thing in racing.
After watching not sure it would have made much of a difference
In Andre's defense, I've never owned a Chevy, car or truck, that the cruise control worked the entire time I owned it anyway... they always crap out. Might just be cuz I buy used only though.
I think it's just Chevy. I had a 94 dodge Dakota with Working cruise and 200000 miles and I now have a 93 f150 also with working cruise.
How is cruise control not standard equipment that crazy.
Loving the canyon!
This was a pretty interesting comparison.
Yes, tire size and tire style should have been the same on both trucks. Also making sure gear ratio was the same.
That was my first thought was the rear end ratio.
All Colorados and Canyons have the same final drive ratio.
@IVloses yes but the canyon had 1 inch smaller tires IIRC which changes the final drive ratio
Poor Andre,that cruise control is going haunt him for many long time.😄
It hurts my heart when I see how many of those four cylinder engines are making their way into Camaros and full-size Silverados 😂. I'm not as disappointed with the idea of it in a Colorado or Canyon, although the baby Duramax would be more ideal.
I’ve never liked how we measure torque and hp. High torque is just having hp at a lower rpm. If we just looked at hp over the rpm range then torque becomes meaningless. This is why a slightly lower hp turbo is usually faster than na engine with more hp. The turbo has more hp over the bottom 3/4 of the rpm range.
It’s like 400 bucks for the high output tune. Any truck with the medium output engine can have the high output tune put on it…
I thought Tommy was going to race Camero against the Canyon.
Andre go to the dealer and get the added torque. Get a t-shirt that says (Real men don't need cruise control)😤.
🤣0:45 a Camaro with a 4cyl turbo - sby also should nominate a vacuum cleaner participating
I’m excited to see the new hybrid max Tacoma out there
I can't wait to modify my Ford Explorer Sport Trac V8. Then, pull up to some other mid-size trucks and eat them up. May go after full-size pickups as well😈🙌🏾😈💯
Those little trucks are pretty quick
There’s no replacement for displacement, it’s like guys that buy the 4cyl Silverados
Next TFL Races the Honda Ridgeline against Chevy Corvette!😂😂😂
I have cruise control on my Colorado never use it
I have it on my ram1500 classic tradesman I never use it either 😳🛻
Andre you should put premium in and do this test again~!
Andre.... should have brought a blue 💙 F150 Powerboost with cruise to the fight...😅😅😅
Top Gear but for trucks. Make this a show!
I want to see the Colorado or canyon vs the ranger
Even the current ranger would shit on these.
Andrea can get the power tune from Chevy for $800 ?
Nice!
NO question for me: Nothing less than the H.O. for my 2023 ZR2.
I can't wait for the 2024 Ranger 2.3l to beat both. And we know the upcoming 2.7l will blow them away
Wow! The outgoing Ford Ranger you have/had is faster than Andres brand new Colorado! And .16 seconds slower than the brand new GMC Canyon. 2.3 Vs 2.7 270hp Vs 310hp 310lb ft Vs 390/430lb ft🤯🤯🤯
This video had me curious what a Silverado Trail Boss would do against a Colorado Trail Boss. To make it fair, use the 5.3 V8 with 10-speed. If I was close I would bring my 6.2 Trail Boss.
5.3 has 355 hrspursss while the 6.2 has 420. Either one would smoke these smaller trucks.
@@SickTheory But doesn't a siliverado 2.7 smoke a 5.3.
@@garys2157 you know i think its quicker off the line but i think its with the 8 speed silverado?
@@SickTheory I think it's using the 10 speed as of this year.
Did you 2 plan on wearing the same color shirt as your opponents truck or was that an odd coincidence because Andre's truck is an odd color
Gaining more Torque without a corresponding increase in HP is functionally useless outside of a diesel.
Why do you say that? Serious question.
@Dutch Torque x RPM divided 5252 = Horsepower. Roman does not use the correct analogy for Torque vs HP. Torque is work, Torque can not accerate you. A Massey Ferguson tractor has 1000tq and 20Hp. They aren't fast.
The best way to describe Horse power is that it represents Torque over time, meaning HP is a number for how Long your engine makes Torque throughout your REV range.
If your Horse power is the same, but one engine has more peak torque, it simply means that the higher Torque engine makes Torque for shorter period of time while Reving.
The Roll race should have been dead even. Either Andres truck has a problem , or they are sand bagging the race.
I'll give you one more example. L98 powered Camaro 245HP 350Tq. LS1 powered Camaro, 305Hp 345tq.
Lower Torque, but we know the LS1 car is massively faster, like 2 full seconds quicker in the 1/4 mile.
Because it makes more Torque over time.
@@terrencejones9817 while the peak horsepower figure is the same, that doesnt mean horsepower isnt improved elsewhere in the rpm range. It's just with the increased torque here, it must have more of a peak to it's torque curve but that can still mean meaningful gains for applications like a pickup truck.
@ALMX5DP GM Claims Peak HP is at the Same RPM for both engines. While the higher torque engine achieves is torque peak at a higher RPM vs the Lower torque engine.
For the peak HP to be the same, especially at the same RPM ,that means the High output turbo engines torque drops off very quickly vs the Turbo plus.
Moreover, both engines' peak torque are well below the RPMs in a roll race. A roll race with an 8 speed would see the RPMs stay very close to red line for everything but the start of the race. Neither of the engines' peak torque will come into play, considering they are down around 3000rpm. I haven't seen a dyno plot to the tires of these trucks yet, but its actually possible that the Turbo plus engine, makes better torque in the high RPM vs the " High out" engine.
Edit: Yes for towing the higher torque helps you get a heavy trailer moving easier, with less RPM needed.
But this was a drag race. That higher torque should not do anything, other than the first few feet off the line.
I've driven many of these Turbo 2.7 engines, the Torque converter will flash 3000rpm off the line, neither engine will spend any time at peak torque during a drag race.
@@terrencejones9817 Exactly! THIS is why my 22’ Canyon with a naturally aspirated 308 hp V6 and a low 4200 lb curb weight consistently runs 6.3 second 0-60’s, and with all of 275 lb ft torque. I actually walked one of these new 23’ Canyons from a dig AND a roll, and the guy in the Canyon was dumbfounded. When I tried to explain to him that having a lower curb weight mated to N/A V6 that doesn’t expend all its torque lower in the rev range is what keeps the truck pulling as it reaches higher speeds, he just kept on about how much of a torque advantage he has over me. Never mind that his truck weighs almost 500 lbs MORE than mine and his acceleration isn’t linear, but limited to a torque curve that starts out high but rapidly diminishes as RPM’s increase.