The American Railroad Iceberg Explained Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- If there’s one topic in American history which has an endless amount of information and lore, centuries-old tradition, and a massive following of millions of people, it would undoubtedly be railroading. Each railroad throughout the nation’s existence is unique with numerous historical and preservation societies dedicated to each one, with leagues of information on a single era of railroading. Yet, within this expansive history lies various events and attempts which are left almost unnoticed through the passing of time. Today, we are here to dig up and rediscover these fascinating facts of railroads across the nation, in the American Railroad Iceberg.
As a [late] 4th of July Special, I have decided to make a three part series on the American Railroad Iceberg by Thorax the Railfan. Apparently, this topic is so intriguing that I wasn't the only one who had the same idea. Grand Drunk Western recently uploaded a video on this topic, but there was a lot of information which he was not able to find which I included in my own script. I asked him if I could cover the missing info, and he agreed. At the same time, Seaboard Railfan expressed interest in creating a video on the same topic, and I asked him if we could work on this project together to avoid embarrassing duplicates and to combine our knowledge on each topic. He agreed, and we were able to create this project together so that it could be completed with as much info as possible.
Please subscribe to Seaboard Railfan (he's almost at 100 subs): / @seaboardrailfan429
The American Railroad Iceberg by Thorax the Railfan (Original Drawing):
www.deviantart.com/thorax-the...
I would also like to thank the following people for researching all of these topics and creating the script for this iceberg: (via discord accounts)
IronHeart#9133, Southern Railway Historian#8819, MattTheChessieT1#6470, DavidTheCNOgreenbrier#4610, freitasfaisca9#8562. chance5704#1065, sh6rt #7477, SteamKing2160#7848, Pokemonprime#0143, That D59 lad#1874, Mc2163#7225
Grand Drunk Western’s American Railroad Iceberg:
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www.steamlocomotive.com/place...
www.american-rails.com/ace-30...
www.trainweb.org/tusp/ult.html
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ho-scaletrains.com/athearn-em...
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Music used in order-
Sloppy Clav - Godmode
To Pass Time - Godmode
Maestro Tlakaelel - Jesse Gallagher
Under The Rug - Density & Time
0:00 - Introduction
1:02 - Layer 1
12:15 - Layer 2
23:33 - Layer 3
The Illinois Railway Museum recently bought farmland around it, and they actually found a barn made from two boxcars.
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@@arandomchicagonorthwestern3088 hello
Slight mistake: #611 didn’t derail in the Great Dismal Swamp Derailment. While going over a faulty switch, she made it passed the switch, but two passenger cars didn’t, causing them and nine more passenger cars to derail. Throughout this incident, #611 remained on the tracks.
Thank you for the correction.
Love that more obscure engines like the 3-Cylinder engines outside of SP and UP were mentioned, I've always liked odd and strange machines like them.
I said it in the premiere, I'll say it here again, I'll keep this saying until I die. Dude, it was fantastic working with you. Hopefully, if we want to do another collaboration, I'm all for it. I'm super excited for Part 2 whenever it comes out!
Thanks. It was great to work with you as well. Your narration for the whole was great and your info on these topics was very helpful.
@@Pensyfan19 I'm glad to be of service, lad! And I expected to hear worse about my narration, but I was wholly taken aback
@@Matts_Conrail_Chicago_Mainline HEY THORAX! Thanks for creating the Iceberg in the first place. Without you, this video wouldn't exist
I'd love to see a video like this on Canadian or Mexican railroads.
It's insane just how little views this video has. You deserve far more.
I actually have a video planned talking about NdeM or Nacionales de Mexico which I will go through the Mexican railroad and it’s locomotives
A lot of crazy things, but the idea of an ELSF merger never occurred to me honestly.
If I remember correctly, KCS ended up merging with CP, rather than CN, making for two major international railroads on this continent.
Glad to have helped, I couldn't really do much, but it was still to try and help out with it.
16:22
There used to be another CB&Q motorcar, it was made intoa house. It was demolished recently, but there are photos of it before demolition inside the CB&Q Historical Society Archives. But a small piece of the metal wall was saved with the number on it.
near me, there is a hunting cabin made from an old interurban car (Hagerstown and Fredrick #171, if you were curious)
@@insertnamehere1258 whats the address
@@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory I don't know, somewhere in Mountaindale, Maryland
Woah, fantastic video. Cant say I expected this especially from such a small channel. Quite impressed really. Good work!
Its great that the engines in merril oregon were saved, no wonder fred kepner kept the engines for this long, he most likely wanted to restore the engines, but probably couldnt because of life problems, a bit sad he didnt get to make his come true by himself but its nice to see his engines getting restored.
An amazing explanation so far. I can't wait for part two
The Athearn "DD40" model you showed is a DD35A. My dad has the same model. The 35 is a cabless booster unit that was sold with GP35s. Then they added a cab and called it the A unit with the cabless still being a DD35 proper.
17:48
More information on this:
The race was actually staged, as the plane was actually much faster. These interurban cars were meant for the top speed of 108mph, but during the race only reached 97 miles an hour due to track conditions. Also four Red Devil interurban cars still exist, not three.
Cars number 111, 116, 118, and 119.
Thank you for the correction and additional info.
DANG IT YOU BEAT ME TOO IT XD
Seriously tho, amazing work. Can't wait for the next part.
IIRC, there is "Twilight Zone" episode where the derailment of the City of San Francisco was with the intent of stealing a load of gold being carried; the thieves then went into a period of suspended animation before awakening into a world where gold was readily available and no longer pricey.
There's another American railroad Iceberg? Huh. This isn't the one that floats around the Discord servers. Interesting to see! This one seems more focused on railroad technology then history, and is really neat to see you guys play it out. Interesting topics.
I rewatch these very often they are so informational
CP may end up merging with KCS as originally intended. Trains Mag posted a week or two ago CP raised their bid after the heads at CN said no to merging with KCS (also please don't lash out at me for incorrect info)
I saw, and don't worry. This story has been constantly updated.
@@Pensyfan19 thanks. Thought I'd throw it out there
For the record, the engines used on M-497 were off the wing of a B-36.
Truly epic 👍
4:57 this is wrong apparently, metra wanted to preserve 5629 but Jensen was taking parts from it which made it a safety hazard.
This video was great! Just an FYI, those two bombers bought by the New York Central for the Army Air Corps were actually B26 Marauders and not B25 Mitchells
Thanks for the correction. However, I did not create this iceberg (Thorax the Railfan did), so he wrote the entry of B25 Mitchells for NYC, and I tried to research info from that label.
@@Pensyfan19 well hes just goin have to get a paddlin then
30:08 The locomotives were purchased my multiple museums and tourist railroads after Fred Kempner's death
Oh my gosh…..
Garrets in my state. If there still around I’ll be like: O.O
some of these make for good railroad alt history
iceberg explained but without scary:
Dank
Let guess the ceo of conrail in the 80s knew how to run a railroad
Warum ist die Karte des Tennessee-Passes auf Deutsch?
Those Are B-26 not B-25 about the NYC buying then donating them
You should include interesting facts about foreign railways
I didn't create the iceberg, nor would i have enough info to create an international railway iceberg, but the topic does sound interesting.
Er....the New York Central WW2 aircraft are quite clearly Martin B26 Marauders.........not B25 Mitchells
Sorry about that. The source where I got the info from must have given the wrong class name.
@@Pensyfan19 No worries......I appreciate if you're not sure yourself you'd go with a second source......
.......just adding a correction....👍
Premier
when the RF16's are restored, will they still retain their DH Livery?
I'm not sure. It will likely depend on which railroad owns them.
@@Pensyfan19 i hope they still have the blue silver and yellow livery. ive been a fan of that paintscheme since watching a certain pair of SD45's causing havoc and destruction on a model layout 🤣
@@yeoldeseawitch oh, buster busts, yeah that was great as heck
Very interesting video, audio is a bit hard to hear
Yeah I didn’t think to record voice lines on my phone sadly, so it’s just a crappy quality laptop recording
18:29
yesh. i gotta give creds to seaboard for letting me and a few friends help out
Did you work on the iceberg as well? If so, then I'll credit you as an additional source in Parts 2 and 3.
@@Pensyfan19 i did, the C&O - N&W merger in layer 9 i believe
@@Pensyfan19 Yeah I should've told you before. I let people help out on the Iceberg. Here's a list of everyone that helped out: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ppPVB1YJsgPUNTGwBzybjnRtZF-ADQ11t7WCmJrXcfc/edit?usp=sharing. They're all Discord IDs
@@seaboardrailfan429 Thank you for letting me know. I will have a seperate slide dedicated to them for Parts 2 and 3.
@@Pensyfan19 No problem!
Both COT and 999 are unlikely to go 100 mph. Its more likely that the engine driver of COT or 999 told a fib, like imagine you were the engine driver of the first locomotive to go 100 mph. I think that both probability went 80 or 90 4-4-0 can be fast but probably not that fast, but no matter what the records say the British are the fastest and America just wants to be better with trains in one area. Ps if one of them was first it was COT.....or flying scotsman .
But not 999
Hence why it's in the iceberg. It's a mystery whose unconfirmed claim, like COT, led to its preservation.
@@Pensyfan19 what? I know the story of 999 and COT I was say that I don't really think they could have reach 100 mph but if one did go 100 its COT
@@Pensyfan19 well i agree with pennsyfan, the water level route being a flat and strait route for the most part and a train of like 4 cars might aswell be a reason why the engine could go that quick.