Top 10 Extinct American Multiple Units ft. History in the Dark
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- Опубликовано: 22 дек 2022
- As a belated 5000 subscriber special and the next installment in the trilogy of Top 10 Extinct engines lists, I decided to cover extinct American multiple units along with articulated trainsets, since the latter could be classified as a MU as well as a power car attached to a series of coaches. I would like to thank you for all for helping this channel grow past 5000 subs at an astonishing rate, as your support is always appreciated. In order to make this list a bit more special, I decided to cohost this video with another well-known train-related Top 5 List channel: @HistoryintheDark.
Credit for all photos used go to their original photographers.
All music used in this video is from the RUclips Audio Library.
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Music Used in Order:
Blues Blast - John Deley
London Bayou - ALBIS
Old Blue - Chris Haugen
The Premier - United States Marine Band
Hot Hop Rock - Steve Adams
Manila - United States Marine Band
Delta - TrackTribe
Southern Ideal - United States Marine Band
How We Like It - Dan Lebowitz
Texas Napkin - Freedom Trail Studio
Realism - Text Me Records
Night Drive - JHS Pedals
Simpler Times - The 126ers
This was a fun project to be a part of. Glad it turned out well!
Hope i could collab with you or pennsy
Glad to hear you enjoyed! Thanks so much for your help.
I loved this. Between your extinct diesels and electrics, and now this, you have definitely given me greater insight on everything beyond steam locos
I saw turbo trains in Boston as a kid in the 1970's and even saw the interiors, and was very impressed with them. Unfortunately, I never got to ride one because my destination was local, Mansfield, where the express turbotrain did not stop. I never thought to take the turbotrain to Providence and then a local back to Mansfield.
I am glad that you mentioned the New York and Boston Railroad. A portion of its tracks are used by the NYC's number 5 subway from 180 St to Dyer Ave in The Bronx.
Would you ever do top 10 extinct European/British diesel or electric locomotives?
I'm not sure about British since it's a well known country, and I might have to find enough research in English for European engines, but I might consider it further down the road.
not the Collab that we wanted, but the one we needed, a very cool video!
I know you won't do extinct American steam locomotives, but I would love to see a Top 10 Extinct American Oddball Steam Locomotives list
I like these type of extinct locomotives list, they are unique and something I can learn from
I really love how you’ve done this top 10 list of how many multi-unit train sets have come and gone.
Good Job!
The ATSF I believe had the first tilting passenger car . It had some cool windows it was called the pendulum car. Was also tested with CB&Q and GN
25:22 fun fact, at gare centrale in montreal, 4 tracks were turned into a garage dubbed the turbo bay wich saw use with amt (exo) to maintain the MR-90s from 1995 up until around 2020 when the deux montagnes line shut down for the rem.
When I hired out on the Penn Central New Haven line in 1972, I rode the Turbo Train and the Osbad Goodly MU trains to work.
Nice job. On the Clark Equipment Company, besides the Bluebird MU subway sets for the BMT in 1939, they had built a 'one-of-a-kind' demo PCC trolley for the BMT in Brooklyn in 1936. That car, # 1000 still exists, albeit in need of restoration. Interestingly, the body style was way ahead of it's time and among other things, featured standee windows. Production PCC cars didn't get standee windows until after WW II in 1945, with a demo for Pittsburgh Railways # 1600. Pittsburgh car 1600 delivered in 1945, was the prototype for the over 1,800 post-War “all-electric” PCCs built in North America.
Brooklyn was a test bed for PCC technology. Clark, who built PCC trucks by the hundreds for streetcars and rapid transit trains had hoped to build a fleet of hundreds of PCC streetcars for Brooklyn in 1936. But the BMT decided on the St. Louis Car Company version, of which Brooklyn only ordered 100 cars in 1936. The BMT had plans fo buy hundreds more PCC streetcars for Brooklyn, but New York City Mayor Fiorello La Guardia put a stop to those plans. He wanted buses instead and most of the Brooklyn streetcar system was converted to bus after the end of WW II, except for the lines using the ordered PCC cars. The last of Brooklyn's trolley lines was converted to buses on October 31, 1956.
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If you plan to do a piece on PCC streetcars, Brilliners or other types of streetcars, contact me. I have an enormous collection of photos and other memorabilia. I'll be glad to contribute material, give you technical advice, proof-read your text, etc.
Some of my favorite RUclipsrs together
An unexpected, but very welcome collaboration! That said, I would be curious if you'd do concept trains that were never built like the Duplex Niagara AKA the C1A.
awesome that you are over 5 K followers.. you have great history videos that I enjoy a lot. Thank you
I rode the turbo train quite a few times between Boston and New Haven when it was first inaugurated. The interiors were beautiful but the ride was at best fair and the turbine engine noise was VERY loud. But they were so excitingly new.
Rode the Newark PATH tubes into NYC.Rode the Pennsy and Lacawana MU's from Newark and East Orange into NYC.Never had to buy a newspaper, there was one lying around.
The MUs you showed at #10 ran from Hew Haven to Grand Central and from Stamford to Grand Central as late as 1962ish. They were phased out in the '50s by Pullman "Washboards", the 4400 series (and 4600 series). The Washboards got that name from the corrugated stainless steel sides that were (ironically) popularized by Pullman's competitor Budd Corp. The washboards themselves were replaced around 1972 by Budd M-1 units. The M-1s were the first rolling stock between New Haven and GCT to require an elevated platform because they lacked steps for rail-level boarding. The entire line between Woodlawn and Stamford had to be retrofit with elevated platforms circa 1970. The M-1s were also the first MUs with passenger doors that could be remotely operated by the conductor several coaches away.
The Original Rock Island Rocket trainsets should get an honorable mention for combining Budd articulated cars with the EMC TA locomotives, which led the way to the introduction of the venerable EMD F-units which were the hallmark of the transition from steam to diesel!
Just caught on to your Videos ,,, Nice Job, ,,
I love the top 10 Vids the most.
I actually have a small but sizable reference library on the New Haven railroad, so if you need research materials, hit me up. 3:49 also the EMU’s were as built traction units, with the “American flyer” cars being a separate though related product
The PRR H&M cars also had to be built according to Federal Railroad Administration specifications because it was considered a rapi transit/railroad.
The Turbos were also very fuel INEFFICIENT! Also, what about the North Shore Line Electroliners, both sets have preserved
That 121grille. Work of art. (well I may be biased since I'm a Dodge guy)
Not sure if anyone caught it yet, but a correction of an error: the UAC Turbotrain is not the fastest gas turbine train. That actually goes to the prototype TGV set TGV001, which was gas turbine powered as the TGV concept was originally planned to be until fuel costs rendered it impractical and they went with electrification instead. TGV001 hit 198 mph in testing, so that is the record holder for a gas turbine train. The Turbotrain does hold the record for fastest train in North America that was an actual production train, and was not a one off experiment (looking at that time the NYC put jet engines on an RDC there.)
I rode the turbotrain once, from Providence to New Haven (it's last stop before NYC). We were able to clock 90 MPH between Warwick and Westerly. But, through Connecticut, the train was not permitted to exceed 60 or 65 MPH due to the poor condition of the tracks. So, yes. The narrator is correct by saying that the dispatch reliability was excellent and the schedule adherence was remarkably good (for the 1970s). But, the timetables were not ambitious like today's Acela. The current Amtrak Northeast Regional is faster than the turbotrain service, let alone the Acela... all because the tracks have been completely rebuilt with concrete sleepers and welded rail.
IIRC, the stops were Boston/Providence/New London/New Haven/NYC for the Turbotrain service. To go to (say) Rye, NY... you had to ride to New Haven, wait and switch to an express to Stamford. Switch there to the Stamford local. With the connections, it took longer to reach intermediate stations from Boston or Providence than it would by taking the (then) equivalent of today's Regional. I.e., The Turbotrain was advantageous only if you were riding between major stations along the route.
Final point: The turbotrains were fuel pigs. Gas turbine engines are remarkably efficient at high altitudes, where the air is thin. But, at sea level, they are gas guzzlers. This was fine for Union Pacific when their gas turbine locomotives were running on Bunker C (molasses) fuel oil that nobody else wanted in the 1950s. The price for Bunker C (then) was so cheap that UP didn't care how much fuel its locos gobbled. But, once the plastics makers discovered Bunker C, that ruined the economics for Union Pacific and they phased out their turbines. That United Technologies tried the turbotrain experiment so many years after UP gave up is quite the mystery. By the 1970s, the only remaining advantage gas turbines had over Diesel was that the gas turbines could burn almost anything combustible. Diesels were fussy about what they drank. The turbines didn't care what you fed them. Coconut oil, Jet-A, maple syrup... made no difference. The gas turbine would burn it.
BTW - for anyone who is interested, Rapido Trains is going to sell Turbotrain sets in 2024 for H0 scale. I have no affiliation with them. Just know that they're in pre-production.
Thank you fir the in depth explanation.
@@Pensyfan19 Thank YOU for the fascinating look-backs.
2:20 and 3:53 osgood bradley also made the "American flyer" passenger cars. Correct me if im wrong, but i think the new haven had the largest fleet of them. Also seaboard airline had some American flyer passenger cars, one I know of #831 is preserved
Prospector DMU was a predecessor of Budd's RDC with some tschnological carryover.
And now the main line of mid America is part of Canadian National
You forgot to mention that all of the New Haven EMUs including these older cars were required to take power from a 750 DC 3rd rail in New York City and 11,000 AC volt catenary. Each car has its own transformer. The new Metro North M-8 EMSs have the same setup. Paul Messina, New York City
Next time, lets do top ten lost Trolley cars ; ) hit me up for it.
Things we should have but we don’t, i wish we had more of the NYC commuter cars as they are some some of the finest examples of operations during their time.
Nice video!
Salina, KS, is pronounced with a long I.
Sa-LINE-uh.
Confusing since every other Salina/Salinas (and the fact it's named for the saltiness -- salinity -- of the river running through it ) are pronounced as you do: Sa-LEAN-uh.
6:38
*discount electroliner*
*discount electroliner*
Wow! I DID get to ride that turbo train between NYC and Boston! Though only electric with third rail, and not totally so with pantograph, she did however have a CLEAR plexiglass partition between driver's cab and passenger area for front end viewing by the public! (Unfortunately except for Japan this front end viewing aka 'railfan window' (RFW) for the most part worldwide, is unfortunately being phased out! SHAMEFUL! (One note on these, not mentioned in this video, one of the trains turbine engines caught fire and burned one of the power units, this also contributed to the death knall of the Turbo Train).
19:50 I love these!!!!
Oh you have to do UK multiple units!
One idea for a future video is extinct British Dissels.
The CTA didn’t order the 5000s because they didn’t exist yet. They were originally ordered by the Chicago Rapid Transit company who were taken over by the CTA as the cars arrived.
Thank you for the correction
Two New York Central electric locomotives are safe. This is wonderful news. I was quite concerned. These two priceless, rare New York Central electric locomotives needed to be saved. Once things are cut up and scrapped, they're gone forever. No amount of money can bring them back in the future. Nothing is "too far gone" to be restored. The miracle workers at Brookville in Pennsylvania aren't cheap, but they can make a basket case look and run like new again. It kills me what the asses at the Trolley Museum of New York in Kingston did with their two priceless Hudson & Manhattan "Black" cars. They allowed them to deteriorate and rot away, then they cut them up and scrapped them. Thankfully, one in immaculate restored condition is 'running' at the Branford Trolley Museum in Connecticut. It is the very last survivor.
The fools at the McKinney Avenue Trolley in Dallas, Texas scrapped a double end Dallas Pullman-Standard PCC car because they wrongly felt it was beyond restoration. Nothing is beyond restoration, for a price. Thing to do is to save it for future restoration, when funds become available. Thankfully, one of these Dallas PCC cars in beautifully restored condition is at the Seashore Trolley Museum. But imagine one running on the streets of Dallas again !!
www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/two-nyc-electrics-are-safe-await-relocation-to-museum/
I was a bit surprised that the Silverliner Is weren't on this list
only 6 were built and two were preserved for a bit but they were then scraped for some reason
I believe a few early silverliners still exist as FRA cars, or have been preserved at a museum or two, hence why I left them off the list.
@@Pensyfan19 there will hopefully be a Silverliner II in preservation
as far as I know no IIIs exist anymore
the FRA cars are probably gone
@@kabob129I do know that 238 used to be in the yard but I need to check the silverliner 2/3 vid
@@ashleyjiscool there are two cars in Frazer yard as recently as December 2022
@@kabob129 what numbers (btw I got 238 and 230 confused)
Pennsyfan I'm scared right now, the deadline for the danbury railroad museum to save those two new york central electrics is in 4 days!!!! *I'm hoping they save them in time*
I _think_ there's news of them already being moved a few days ago, but it's not entirely confirmed, so hopefully that's a good sign.
HOW COULD YOU LEAVE OUT THE BUDD EMU “METROLINERS high-speed cars that were built for the Northeast Corridor. They were the first “high speed “ emu cars in the United States, capable of 160 mph and served from 1966 to 1982 between New York City and Washington DC. First requisitioned by the Pennsylvania Railroad, taken over by the Penn Central Railroad and then Amtrak, they carried thousands of busing passengers between the cities of New York, Trenton, Philadelphia, Wilmington, Delaware, Baltimore and Washington each and every day. These cars had coaches, snack bar cars and 10 first class Club cars with swiveling seats. These cars operated on the Pennsylvania Railroad 11,000 catenary system. Although they could run at 169 mph, they were ‘restricted’ to only 1110 mph. I just cannot believe that you included other less known models and forgot the Budd .
This video covers multiple units with no surviving members. Thankfully, there is one original metroliner cab in preservation, along with several others still in service on Amtrak as cab cars, so Metroliners therefore do not make the list of extinct MUs. Thanks for providing extra info about the New Haven and Hudson and Manhattan EMUs.
The H&M K-cars (PRR MP51) should be here, for historical significance: they were the world's first rail equipment in transit service (not Class I main line or intercity) to be AC equipped in 1958. Retired by PATH/PANYNJ in 1989, many survived in work service, some as late as 2010-2011, when the new PA5s displaced the PA4s to work motor duty. The last K-car, 1243 was scrapped in 2011. It is also interesting to note the pioneering 1965 PATH PA1, with its revolutionary all aluminum design is down to just one left: "C" trailer 143 at TMNY Kingston, which survived 9/11/01. Had it not been for the WTC disaster, none might have survived.
As for SEPTA's Silverliner III, they were an oddball class of just 20 built in 1967 and had left hand (British style) cabs, intending for the engineer to operate "full service" fare collection on single car Harrisburg local service (much like the bus driver collecting fares and making change). They were among the only all stainless St. Louis cars (the Arrow I the other) and might be all gone now. 238 was stored and moved to Overbrook shop in 2019 with the AEM7s for scrap, but not sure if 238 went out yet (the AEM7s were scrapped in 2022).
For heavy rail transit MUs, TTC's H-1 from 1965 holds a spot in North American history: the very first modern aluminum cars to be built at the Thunder Bay works, paving the way to the modern Bilevel coaches and other equipment now built there. They began a long relationship with Hawker Siddeley/Bombardier, with every TTC subway car since 1965 built in Thunder Bay and setting a standard up to the latest "Rocket" fleet. Most were retired by 1999, a few hung on as work motors to 2015 and have been scrapped.
I begged and pleaded with top officials of the PATH/PANYNJ to save some of the K {Kawasaki} cars, which were then in work service. My pleas fell upon deaf ears. They have acres of yard space in Jersey City and on the meadows where those cars could have been stored, pending future restoration. I also begged and pleaded with the PATH/PANYNJ to rescue the two derelict H & M "Black" cars that were rotting away at the Trolley Museum of New York in Kingston. Those priceless cars have since been cut up and scrapped, tragically. Once cut up, they're gone forever. Again, the PATH/PANYNJ had plenty of room to store them for future restoration. I realize that it would have been expensive, but those two rare cars could have been restored to like new condition at some future time by Brookville Equipment Company in Pennsylvania. Thankfully, an H & M "Black" car, beautifully restored, is at the Branford Trolley Museum in Connecticut.
By the way, I rode on those air-conditioned K cars when they were new in 1958. It was amazing !! And I remember that PRR conductors collected the 25 cent fares and the cars had PRR logos on the ends. I have photos showing that in my collection.
The fools at SEPTA refused to save any of those St. Louis Car Company Silverliner cars, many of which had been recently overhauled and were in excellent condition with reupholstered seats. I rode on the last one. I have photos showing diesel locomotives hauling trains of them up to a scrap yard in Newark, N. J., where all were cut up. SEPTA never even bothered to remove the pantographs off of the cars for future use elsewhere. I advised SEPTA to hold some of the cars in reserve for emergencies, but they ignored me. Again, there was plenty of yard space for them. Shortly afterwards, cracks developed in the truck frames on the Hyundai Rotem Silverliner V cars and all had to be removed from service until repairs could be made. SEPTA was forced to lease equipment from N. J. Transit, MARC and Amtrak for a huge amount of money. But nobody ever gets called out or takes responsibility for stupid decisions. Your tax dollars at work !!
Do correct me if I’m wrong, but the “unofficial” T.T fan page still lists RT-15, -43, and -44 as on roster. I understand that this is also a 3915 figure, but I couldn’t find any other sources that said anything about the H1 units themselves.
*Apologies, I meant to write 2015 rather than the 3915, RUclips has been acting funny with the edit button I’m afraid.
UPDATE: 238 has been towed to scrap, making the SEPTA/PRR Silverliner III class officially extinct.
You've done extinct American engines but will you do extinct trains of other countries like Australia or European countries
I'm not too familiar with them, but I know there are various extinct steam engines for those regions. I wouldn't know where to start, but I might focus on a specific country further down the road.
I guess the RTL-series Turbo Trains don't make the cut because several of those are still lying around?
Correct. This video covers MUs with no surviving members.
So do interurban units count if not extinct interurban cars and streetcars
Interurban cars count since they often run in pairs instead of being loco hauled coaches, hence why I included the Illinois Terminal Streamliners.
@@Pensyfan19 *discount electroliner
What about the Areo Train on the Pennsy and I think New Haven?
This video covers multiple units and trainsets with no surviving examples left, and the aerotrain is thankfully not one of them.
I was doing something with my life and I don’t remember what
Darkness!!!
Question from a non-American:
Is the design of Darth Wader's mask inspired by an American multiple unit or by a caterpillar?
That would be an interesting fun fact about Star Wars if true, but I believe his helmet was based on a combination of samurai and German stahlhelm armor.
Can guys make history about each railroads usa and canada
Although an entire history video would take some time to make, and since I focus more on engines than railroads themselves, the closest thing I can recommend is History in the Dark's videos on some class 1s such as the Milwaukee Road, Rock Island, and New Haven.
@@Pensyfan19 your guys forgot the alaska railroad what about there engines
@@csxnspittsburghdivision8580 They don't have multiple units. This list refers to multiple units and articulated trainsets/coaches that run in pairs. But in regards to the Alaska Railroad, I actually have three other videos about its engines: Alaska Railroad 216, Alaska Railroad 751, and IANR 678.
No PRR MP-54? LIRR Doubledecker? NYC Standard Steels etc, etc.
This list covers MUs with no surviving members. The MUs you listed thankfully have at least one surviving member.
@@Pensyfan19 Got it--thanks!
Remember: interurbans are epic
if any of you wanna know my rating its in the tile Top *10*/10
Missed DL&W mu’s.
Thankfully, a few DL&W MUs are preserved, with one of them recently being refurbished at the Whippany Railway Museum. This list covers MUs/articulateds with no surviving members.
@@Pensyfan19 Lots of them all over North America. They and the Reading Blueliners are the most common prewar MU around now, just as many postwar LIRR MP72/MP75s were purchased by shortlines and private carriers.
Interesting. The only EMU's are the ones that were on the New York city transit authority and the LIRR
🙈 *promosm*