As one who laments the Four Ace's loss (being from metro-Seattle-Tacoma), I say you did an excellent job. If any locomotive should be Replicated, it is the Four Aces, as it was a locomotive designed to tour the Nation.
Low water in the boiler over the crown sheet. I have been told that running shallow water over the crown sheet would make it produce more steam, more quickly, and would produce additional power. Not wise. The damaged crown sheet was patched, not replaced. If the crown sheet ran dry, at all, the steel would overheat and lose it's temper.
My grandpa lives in Canton so we go to the musame there and they have a scale molde if it so it's a childhood favorite it almost made it to preservation and would be put on display at the Timpkin factory
My real name is Michael McCluskey. I also live in Canton, Ohio. My wife's dad Paul Barton also worked at the Timken Steel Company, until he retired. He died a few years ago and not long after his wife Grace Barton also died. My wife took the name Mary Barton-McCluskey
I learned about this remarkable 4-8-4 some years ago and the Timken company and I was very impressed with this locomotive and how it was built I thought she was a beautiful and stunning locomotive and I loved her colors and Timken markings it's a sad shame she was lost but at least she lives on both in operating steam locomotives today with Timken bearings and in the world of trainz.
This is an excellent documentary about an incredible locomotive. I did some research into Timken when doing a paper on friction vs. anti-friction bearings for school, but I only read snippets about the Four Aces. very cool to hear more about it.
Excellent production! Thanks for putting this together. I've never heard the story of the 1111 and now you've got me looking up what a Franklin booster truck is. Very cool.
Keep in mind, "booster truck" was one type, the Four Aces simply had a booster equipped standard Delta-type cast-frame trailing truck. A booster truck was most likely the front truck of a tender and was detectable by its side rods... www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=40008
Timken 1111 (A.K.A Northern Pacific 2626) could’ve have been in operation at the North Shore Scenic Railroad in Duluth, Minnesota instead of being scrapped, to be honest.
That was quite nice covering a locomotive that ran on my home rails (Northern Pacific Railroad, Washington State), quite a crying shame that it got scrapped though.
I always try to choose Timken when I need new bearings for one of my motorcycles. Lots of roller bearings inside a 2-stroke engine. If it's good enough for the 4 Aces, it's good enough for the Kawasaki.
Could you do a complete start to finish, on making a map that one has made, work for MP so all my work isn't for nothing? Love the narration, and presentation.
Northern Pacific 2156 needs to be upgraded with roller bearings in order to run on mainlines much to the MTMs disdain. I'm astonished they still ran the Q3s up to 90 mph on the St. Paul to Duluth runs. The boiler is finally nearing completion. Now framework I believe is what's next once the roundhouse's water system is repaired.
When I started working on the railroad in 1974 as a switchman the CNW was still transitioning from brass journals to roller bearings. Standard equipment on locos and cabooses was metal packing hooks used to remove the oily packing from journal boxes if burning. Along the long departure tracks where trains were assembled and inspected by car knockers were barrels of journal oil placed at intervals so car knockers could get oil into oiling cans and carry it to the car with a dry journal box and replenish the oil in the journal box. It wasn't very many years later that brass wedges and journal boxes completely disappeared replaced by sealed Timken roller bearings. Roller bearings would still fail but with much less frequency.
Roller bearings maybe effective but they are still prone to problems if left to run hot, which they're more of a nightmare. There was a case for NSWGR (Australia) when a (C)38 class 4-6-2 had the rollers in its bearings completely fused. The locomotive to be fitted with new bearings as a result.
It’s still crazy to me to think that for most of my life, I have lived right down the street from Timken’s Roller Bearing plant. In fact, it’s caddy corner from the Wheeling and Lake Erie’s Gambrinus Yard in Canton, Ohio.
I’m starting to think, that maybe timken shouldn’t have sold 1111 to the NP, but had it on an extended loan to them to have it painted in NP colours and run under NP, then when the end of steam came, timken could’ve had the extended loan end with NP and preserve the locomotive
In my opinion, this is the best video High Iron has made. I never knew the Four Aces was real. I heard of it, but I thought it was fake, but this video has completely proved this wrong. Amazing video, keep up the awesome work.
I used to do contract calibration work for Timken in Canton, Ohio. When it came time to replace the front wheel bearing and hub assemblies on my 93 Dakota 4x4, I spent the extra money and bought genuine, made in America Timken bearings. They were made in Italy. They both failed within a week. After I raised Cain with Timken, they shipped made in America replacements. Problem solved.
There was an effort to save the four aces but the Railroad Museum did not have track capable of handling such a big heavy locomotive so it was consigned to the scrap yard. Such a waste such a shame.
It is sad that the Northern Pacific 2626 (Timken 1111 or Four Aces) is scrapped in the late 1950s and not many Northern Pacifics aren't restored. At least a cousin locomotive Spokane- Portland & Seattle is still restore today.
I would love to hear about the railroad transfer boats and the process and equipment used to load the railroad cars onto these ferries. I grew up not far from Natchez Mississippi and I can remember steam locomotive pulling the cars off of the transfer boats. Then I can remember the Giant diesel electric locomotives that replace them. I would love to know more about them.
In Trainz Forge's Timken 1111 pack is there a Northern Pacific tender that doesn't say the timken PSA or whatever below "Northern Pacific", or is that the only tender it comes with
@@HighIron yes I know but on the NP tenders it says "All journals equipped with Timken Roller Bearings" below "Northern Pacific". Do all the NP tenders say that below the RR name, or is there one that just says "Northern Pacific"?
my God, I can't stress enough how much I love these mini-documentaries. can't wait for more!
Thanks, glad you're enjoying the show!
I love them too lol
Same :D
"one of the main sticking points were its bearings." Nice pun!
As one who laments the Four Ace's loss (being from metro-Seattle-Tacoma), I say you did an excellent job. If any locomotive should be Replicated, it is the Four Aces, as it was a locomotive designed to tour the Nation.
i would think that a good "Spirit" name for the Timken Ace would be "Spirit of Seattle", given thats where it mainly roamed
Low water in the boiler over the crown sheet. I have been told that running shallow water over the crown sheet would make it produce more steam, more quickly, and would produce additional power. Not wise. The damaged crown sheet was patched, not replaced. If the crown sheet ran dry, at all, the steel would overheat and lose it's temper.
I can't help but feel like it should be an NYC Hudson or Timken Four Aces that should be rebuilt from scratch, not the T1. Is that weird?
I’ve always loved this one, even thought about making a video on it. Shame she wasn’t preserved.
Nice to see a well made program about this locomotive.
I can't "bear" these informational shorts! Always excited when they "roll" out for viewers!
Good one
Good one
There was a Video called Rollerfreight by Timken
I watched it
Lol.
My grandpa lives in Canton so we go to the musame there and they have a scale molde if it so it's a childhood favorite it almost made it to preservation and would be put on display at the Timpkin factory
My real name is Michael McCluskey. I also live in Canton, Ohio. My wife's dad Paul Barton also worked at the Timken Steel Company, until he retired. He died a few years ago and not long after his wife Grace Barton also died. My wife took the name Mary Barton-McCluskey
Mmmmmm musamé
The Timken Steel Company is here in Canton, Ohio. and has been here for a long time.
2:27 really hit it home with the music. Such a gorgeous engine that I never knew existed, thanks for showing us this!!
I learned about this remarkable 4-8-4 some years ago and the Timken company and I was very impressed with this locomotive and how it was built I thought she was a beautiful and stunning locomotive and I loved her colors and Timken markings it's a sad shame she was lost but at least she lives on both in operating steam locomotives today with Timken bearings and in the world of trainz.
Wow what a story. This 4-8-4 Northern is very interesting.
I wish that she would be preserved or operating excursions
Darn, I really wish the Four Aces was still preserved!
Don't we all, Seeing lost steam locomotives makes me sad and unfortunately not too many of them are around anymore
This is an excellent documentary about an incredible locomotive. I did some research into Timken when doing a paper on friction vs. anti-friction bearings for school, but I only read snippets about the Four Aces. very cool to hear more about it.
Excellent production! Thanks for putting this together. I've never heard the story of the 1111 and now you've got me looking up what a Franklin booster truck is. Very cool.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Keep in mind, "booster truck" was one type, the Four Aces simply had a booster equipped standard Delta-type cast-frame trailing truck.
A booster truck was most likely the front truck of a tender and was detectable by its side rods... www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=40008
Now this is an awesome locomotive that fuels up my imagination here! I love it!
Thanks for this, I had always wanted to know the full story of this legendary engine.
Very VERY interesting. Many folks, both in and out of the 'train hobby' are not aware of this information. Thank you.
Timken 1111 (A.K.A Northern Pacific 2626) could’ve have been in operation at the North Shore Scenic Railroad in Duluth, Minnesota instead of being scrapped, to be honest.
very well done. What an education for rail lovers. Thank you and keep such docs coming. There's plenty we don't know but would love to.
This sure was an interesting video, nice work
That was quite nice covering a locomotive that ran on my home rails (Northern Pacific Railroad, Washington State), quite a crying shame that it got scrapped though.
I always try to choose Timken when I need new bearings for one of my motorcycles. Lots of roller bearings inside a 2-stroke engine. If it's good enough for the 4 Aces, it's good enough for the Kawasaki.
This is my favorite steam locomotive. The 4 Aces which then became Northern Pacific 2626.
great video
Could you do a complete start to finish, on making a map that one has made, work for MP so all my work isn't for nothing?
Love the narration, and presentation.
Timken 1111, an underrated lost Northern.
I love the color green and the cab is super cool.
Northern Pacific 2156 needs to be upgraded with roller bearings in order to run on mainlines much to the MTMs disdain. I'm astonished they still ran the Q3s up to 90 mph on the St. Paul to Duluth runs. The boiler is finally nearing completion. Now framework I believe is what's next once the roundhouse's water system is repaired.
Nice I have a couple books that show 2626 on the northern pacific. It is a interesting 4-8-4. I wish it was preserved.
shame the poor engine was never saved, at least she got to prove her worth in a piece of the railroad industry that continues to this very day
When I started working on the railroad in 1974 as a switchman the CNW was still transitioning from brass journals to roller bearings. Standard equipment on locos and cabooses was metal packing hooks used to remove the oily packing from journal boxes if burning. Along the long departure tracks where trains were assembled and inspected by car knockers were barrels of journal oil placed at intervals so car knockers could get oil into oiling cans and carry it to the car with a dry journal box and replenish the oil in the journal box. It wasn't very many years later that brass wedges and journal boxes completely disappeared replaced by sealed Timken roller bearings. Roller bearings would still fail but with much less frequency.
Very appreciated of Timken now. Thanks for the video. Can you do a history video on PRR K4 1361 from the time it was built to the future?
Very interesting documentaries! I've just started watching your channel and I love it already!
Roller bearings maybe effective but they are still prone to problems if left to run hot, which they're more of a nightmare. There was a case for NSWGR (Australia) when a (C)38 class 4-6-2 had the rollers in its bearings completely fused. The locomotive to be fitted with new bearings as a result.
It’s still crazy to me to think that for most of my life, I have lived right down the street from Timken’s Roller Bearing plant. In fact, it’s caddy corner from the Wheeling and Lake Erie’s Gambrinus Yard in Canton, Ohio.
Great video, and an awesome story I was previously unaware of! Loved it!
I’m starting to think, that maybe timken shouldn’t have sold 1111 to the NP, but had it on an extended loan to them to have it painted in NP colours and run under NP, then when the end of steam came, timken could’ve had the extended loan end with NP and preserve the locomotive
In my opinion, this is the best video High Iron has made. I never knew the Four Aces was real. I heard of it, but I thought it was fake, but this video has completely proved this wrong. Amazing video, keep up the awesome work.
Fantastic video as always
When I heard they fell short on money to preserve it I started banging my fists against the table
Cool!
Yes
Nice Work!
"Ever since rail's inception, one of the major sticking points were the axle bearings."
I used to do contract calibration work for Timken in Canton, Ohio. When it came time to replace the front wheel bearing and hub assemblies on my 93 Dakota 4x4, I spent the extra money and bought genuine, made in America Timken bearings.
They were made in Italy. They both failed within a week. After I raised Cain with Timken, they shipped made in America replacements. Problem solved.
Northern Pacific: we don’t want it, Unless
Even if the 4 Aces doesn’t exist anymore, it set the industry standard for roller bearings.
Cool Video!!!
I hope Lionel will make an o-gauge scale model of Four Aces
Great work guys. :)
fun fact, The 1111 Was Equipped with a wabco aa2 air horn.
I work at Phil Gear and Timken is our parent company. Only myself and our head boss knew about this locomotive.
Great work ❤️
I saw a video on the Timken Roller Bearings with their Roller Freight video promo
Nice job
The engine didn’t just set a standard it got a Cinderella story
Very informative 👍
High Iron: *Uploads*
Me: (Clicks)
*Video is Private*
Me: Wait *WUT*
*30 Minutes Later* Video is now watchable
Me: .....ok
Same
Be awesome to see this locomotive join the San Juan Roster but its doubtful unless train master pulls it out of his sleeve and checkbook.
well if that happens, im signing up for the voice, as it is my personal favorite steam locomotive of all time
Hey man I look on timken Facebook page at the post your video on there page
Funny how something so small can have such a big impact.
Wasn't the Four Aces the main inspiration for the N&W J-Class? Especially the Js Roller bearings and things.
Would be cool for the Timken 4-8-4 to be rebuilt like the t1
There was an effort to save the four aces but the Railroad Museum did not have track capable of handling such a big heavy locomotive so it was consigned to the scrap yard. Such a waste such a shame.
Build it from scratch. By all means. Would love to see that.
It is sad that the Northern Pacific 2626 (Timken 1111 or Four Aces) is scrapped in the late 1950s and not many Northern Pacifics aren't restored. At least a cousin locomotive Spokane- Portland & Seattle is still restore today.
Thing is, the 700 *Is* a NP 4-8-4, it just burns oil and was delivered to SP&S
I love these sorts of videos, great work!
Awesome video!
good show
Wow! Amazing!
Four Aces The Casino Engine
lol
Terrific 3D scholarship. Candidate for a new build (a la Pennsy T1?)
I would love to hear about the railroad transfer boats and the process and equipment used to load the railroad cars onto these ferries. I grew up not far from Natchez Mississippi and I can remember steam locomotive pulling the cars off of the transfer boats. Then I can remember the Giant diesel electric locomotives that replace them. I would love to know more about them.
I have a idea what if one of the San Juan's steam engines were fitted with roller bangs?
In Trainz Forge's Timken 1111 pack is there a Northern Pacific tender that doesn't say the timken PSA or whatever below "Northern Pacific", or is that the only tender it comes with
Yes, the NP tenders are included.
@@HighIron yes I know but on the NP tenders it says "All journals equipped with Timken Roller Bearings" below "Northern Pacific". Do all the NP tenders say that below the RR name, or is there one that just says "Northern Pacific"?
@@fortniteman3477 Yes, all three of them read, "All Journals Equipped with Timken Roller Bearings."
@@HighIron I see. Thanks for letting me know.
Too bad Trainz Forge doesn't have ANYTHING for Trainz versions older than Trainz 12 (or T:ANE if I'm mistaken).
Timken Had a Video of Roller bearings called Rollerfrieght
I didn't know that there were frichen boxes back then but now I do.
Could you do a video like this on future trains, say the Availa Liberty or Maglevs?
Didn't Timken make a cartoon bout their bearings?
Hey, a roller freight!
Do you think someone might make a new build project for the four aces
ayy
heard it was offered to a nw rail and they turned it down as they had no room
3:09 what chime whistle was that? sounds amazing! Similar to Santa fe 3751's whistle in There goes a train
That was actually an Alco 5 chime.
@@T128Productions never heard of that before. I like it👍👍👍
People should use the timken 1111 more often it trainz
does anyone know where I can download this amazing train?
Queue "Big Timmy"
The real Big Tim
4501 cameo in the first couple seconds
It boggles my mind that basically the entire early industrial era ran on plain bearings, no wonder old machines were so greasy
5:07 Gettysburg
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I think they should have at least semi streamlined the Four Aces for the train
as a Northern Pacific fanatic, i feel personally offended that the Timken ace was scrapped.
6.Mar.2023
Are you still around? Thought I remembered there being more recent videos but the most recent is the trailer from earlier this year
Wait that's not a red and yellow EMD F7 with a face
The TrainzForge link gives me a "Invalid Ols Service Slug" error
This train isn’t available any more. Is there another download link?
I don't think there is unless someone can reskin a FEF
[*You want to make a joke about Deltarune.]
[*Lancer beat you to it.]
Huh. I Never Knew This Locomotive Before Like The Green One
Wouldn't calling them The Full House Class be better?