I wouldn't pick Zac to carry at lower MMRs, you're going to set stuff up and then be left to die due to lack of attention or just game knowledge from teammates.
Cody Phillips You'd be surprised. That also doesn't increase their game knowledge, they're going to look at it and go "lol no I'd die" in a lot of cases because they don't know any better.
Hey foxdrop. I started playing league in Season 4 and tried to rank as soon as I hit level 30 which was very late in season 4. (horrid idea) I was absolutely horrid at this game and had no idea how bad I was until preseason 6 when I found your channel. I used to be Bronze 4 and so angry at my teammates every game, blaming them for losing games. since finding this channel I climbed out of "elo hell" in a matter of weeks and got to silver 2 where I feel I am about where I belong for now but I am aiming for gold 3 by the end of the season. so I wanted to say thank you for all the videos and game plays and making me see my mistakes and faults. I still have a long way to go but I never would have gotten any better without your videos. as a Jungle main and AD carry secondary, between you and Phy I have gotten SO much better at this game. Thank you and if you ever see this I happen to main Elise, and I want to get to the next level of good with her so I would love it if you could do a gameplay on her at some point! thanks again for the great videos!
stonewall knows nothing of what's he's talking about over the gold level, if you want to climb higher than gold do not ear what he says, you can trust me on this one
Hey dude good job!!!!You can aim for the plat seriously just watch out for mistakes and keep watching those two+Pants are Dragon maybe he is really nice too!
+ReivasMC umm... i'm gold and i don't think that gold is some fckn high elo it's more like casual good player and i don't rly want to achive more i mean my skill level is at gold,i don't need it to be higher :)
Foxdrop. I've watched a lot of league videos. Despite playing this game since Beta, at best, i'm a Gold V player. I just wanted to pop in and say that your videos have helped me become a better player. Your tone, poise, and teaching ability in regards to this game are top notch. You're a good guy, and the League Community is better for having you.
@@WhiteSparr0w 2 years later you get your answer, because udyr is a 0 mechanics champion you have to know your game plan 100% and your champion 200% or you will just get stomped and outplayed even in low elo. So you have a player in Low elo, having only to focus on objectives (which is why most of the udyr wins,Udyrs should have among least dmg or at least lower end) and having great tools to take them as well. So players hate Udyr because they feel like when they lose it's "nothing they could do" and "takes no skill" but in fact they had to have the better game knowledge and map awareness to win in the first place and/or the enemy just doesn't know their champions well enough. Like on a Vayne for example, there is no way you die to Udyr.
I love love love your videos and they have helped me massively in my quest to get better at league. I started only about two months ago and instantly fell in love with the jungle role and Kindred in particular. I also have a particular fondness for Rek'Sai and Skarner but I just wanted to say thank you for taking the time out to make all these videos. They've helped me improve massively I feel. From simply learning how to actually clear my jungle to running around and ganking. I haven't played ranked yet, I'm too nervous but with your videos I've massively improved my normal game mode win ratio. So thank you very much for that! Also as a side note, Kindred is a they! But thank you so much regardless!
I feel as though Nocturne is a great addition here. Kinda like Zac in ganking, strong late game, counters ganking champions. Godly ultimate. Kinda like Rengar ultimate. And can build kinda tanky.
His ganks are nothing like Zac... But you're right about his ultimate being kinda like rengars but what happens to rengar after he ults makes him better. Anyway, i think nocturne is pretty OK but not suitable for this list
+duncan devera zac can use his jump every gank he does noc cant ^^' so no comparison there ;3 noc is good to gank CC champs with his shield but alot of champs with dash can just ignore nocs ganks unless they overextend hard.
Hey FoxdropLoL, I have been looking at your videos. I thought you could mention more champions. The old junglers, I think, still works well. Xin Zhao: His q Three Talon Strike damage was brought down but his q is one of the skills that does a bunch of damage at level 1. He can gank successfully at level 2 with his three talon strike and his charge which also slows. Xin's team fight is not bad at all, go in with charge ult and charge to the back line if possible. You might die but your team mate will decimate the enemy team. Warwick: Have to say he is one of my favorite champions to play, and is one of the best champions to gank, with a successful kill to your team mate or even better, to you. HIs clearing is fast and does not have to worry about his health being low because of his q. He basically can't do anything before level 6, but when he does get to level 6. I have been able to fight 1v1 with almost any champion. Does not matter if their top mid bot or even the other jungle. I has mostly come out with at least 3 kills before 20min. That is not counting the kills I gave to my team mates. My best so far before 20min KDA was 7/0/3. These two I have seen snowball so hard when it works out. Amumu: Even though he has a very slow clearing time (mostly a grind to get the gold), after level four with your AP jungle item, he fast as any other champion. Great ganks for early game pressure with his q. When he hit level 6, his ult is a game changer, I came back from bad laning phase to a win because of his ult.
I think the one you've really missed as an honourable mention that has always stood the test of time is Hecarim. You have an excellent combination of mobility, burst, and DPS. Your build paths are really versatile, and you can start out with the same runes and masteries every game and still transition into an assassin, teamfighting frontliner, or split pushing nightmare as needed. He fills a very similar role to Udyr, and while he doesn't have as strong of a 1v1 (don't fight Udyr) you are honestly even MORE uncatchable. What you get in exchange for the dueling power is an ultimate on a relatively low cooldown that is A) just behind Unstoppable Force for "I'm outta here" and B) just behind Unstoppable Force for initiating a teamfight with massive CC. If anyone thinks the twisted lovechild of Udyr and Malphite wouldn't be a sick 1v5 carry just hasn't tried Hecarim.
+AronFigaro He is kinda under rated for sure but he is really weak in a tank meta since he gets peeled away easily after the primary engage. His ganks also arent that good compared to meta junglers and his R is not even close to malphite's R. His damage really falls of late game as well and since you usually want to build damage jungle item + trinity, your tankiness also falls of and he ends up being a jack of all trades master of none :/
foxdrop you're actually a great youtuber, thank you so much for being awesome and always being there for your fans and listening and helping us with all these awesome tips
Question about Udyr. What build would You recommend to go with? Devourer or Runic Echoes ? Trinity then tank or the Trick2g AP Udyr ? Or something totally different ?
like the new content since your break bro, sad reasons for that break, but the new content is real good and i respect you for that .showing a lot back to your fans too. keep it up man. peace.
How do you feel about Warwick? He plows through the jungle, stays healthy, and post-6 has some of the best ganks in the game. Plus he's really easy to play. I think if I start learning to jungle I'd try him first. He seems really safe to me :)
you can legit do any jungle item on that stupid champ. the "best" one is the ap enchant into iceborn into tank but going juggernaut into tank is fine and sated into rageblade into tank is fucking cancer as well.
I agree wholeheartedly with what you said, but I think malphite and amumu deserve their place too. With ult up, they both can provide insane amounts of hard engage and cc, and some nice damage with the right build.
+Jigglenaut565 Prob wont scale better with him, but at least AS jungler will have a usable item they dont need to stack for 15 minutes before being usefull :D
I would add Voli to the list, maybe even over Zac. Zac requires good ganking sense and honestly his dmg is never "insane" even if you land the full combo. Voli is such a braindead jungler that does stupid damage by either ulting and just autoing or tapping W after 3 autos for tremendous kill stea...confirming damage. People might say "Oh you can just run from him" but there is only so much map you can hide in and if he can't gank from jungle he can always just lane gank from brush. Kindred is definitely the strongest overall but I don't know if she will stay good in any patch.
I Feel like a champion you definitely overlooked in this is Nocturne, he is extremely good right now especially with thunderlord's and building Warrior+Youmuu's as your core items makes him a powerful burst ganker. He essentially acts like a pseudo Rengar, in the fact that he can take one person out and turning the fight into a 4v5
Hey, dude, i main ttop lane but i want to rotate to jungle, but i strugle a lot, will you consider doing a beginner guide or something? Love your videos.
hey fox, I have all my buttons remove from my keyboard expect from my q (Don't ask how I wrote this comment) Will this be enough to play yi at a high lvl?
Master Yi is easy to play but he isn't so good right now, if I'm not mistaken, he was nerfed recently. This is just an update, when Fox made this video, he was likely still strong. Fiddlesticks is very easy to clear with and the gank is pretty easy with his ultimate, which acts as little flash forward. His drain can allow him to solo Dragon if allowed the time, but don't try this as the elemental dragons are coveted.
In bronze to gold, Volibear is very strong. After Cinderhulk buffs he got so ridiculous. He has good clear once you get Tiamat and still decent before and is actually very strong in 1v1s even though he is a tank. My preferred build is Cinderhulk > Titanic Hydra > Dead Mans > Spirit Visage > Guardian Angel and for boots I go swiftness.
+xXRed ErrorXx pretty sure they put the devourer passive on the rageblade. in which case hes stronger. with blood razers % health and then devourer passive on guinsoos id say hes much better
So how does one play udyr or yi? Whenever I play them I just feel helpless. Even if I show up late to a teamfight, and/or come from behind, I always get focussed down and die instantly.
I'd strongly consider xin zhao. My first 17 games with him were 13 wins 4 losses. If you have a crap team you can split push with him and win it yourself, which is where most of my wins came from. Xin with a sona on your butt can tank turrets all the way to the nexus as well. I don't have to rely on teammates one bit with him.
+Dimitar L. As a Zac Main, always go cinder... Sure echoes is fine and dandy but it's just burst. With Zac you want to live as long as possible and distract the enemy team while you put as much consistent AOE (Zac W, R, Cinderhulk) damage as possible. So I would suggest this... Cinderhulk, if you are doing well or up against tanks Liandry's, Rylais can work but I feel it's a bit meh, then tank out. I always go a Deadman's plate and then if you're up against MR or the AP mage got super ahead Spirit Visage as it synergizes well with your passive heal.
I'd replace Zac with Shyvana. Her ganks are not as strong but she has insane stats and cleartimes. Also, her ult can be used as a free escape, which gives her a huge advantage compared to other junglers like Xin and Vi who can only commit to a fight an are fucked if they want to go out of a fight again.
Where can I find that genius thingy? Looked like a mobile app but can't find it in the app store. Not that I need it that much Im a diamond player myself but im just curious about how good it is.
mid lane zyra, dont know if still good after change, but if you use your team as a meatshield efficiently and wait for enemy carries to get a little closer before ulting its a free win
I feel like vi could have been a replacement for zac. While other junglers are able to also start engages or assassinate a carry Vi has one of thee best lock-downs(if not the best), making her pretty resilient to meta
Question: During this current patch, is Yi really that good? The reason I'm asking is because I played him recently and yes I did okay with him; I went something like 8/3/5, but I use to go like 16/2/10. Now mind you I haven't looked at the recent patch notes on Yi but did he get *slightly* nerfed?
+Based God Bullman The real nerf to Yi was the removal of devourer. Some say Bloodrazor is as good in some ways, but I cant stand only have percentage damage with it and Bork any more, rather than the magic damage offered my devourer. This patch I really don't know what to build on him, crit Yi could still be interesting though. But yeah, I really liked devourer, it was like an amazing minigame all the melee junglers had which was like really fun. It motivated you to get objectives for your team as well, like dragons and scuttlecrabs.
IncrediblyBlackObeseMan Dude I totally agree. Like I haven't played in awhile and I built Bloodrazer, Death Dance, Maw, Sterak's, and other things that I forget and honestly it was so dissapointing. Sure I was trying something "new" on him but it just didn't feel like Yi. I could barely beat a Shaco in a 1v1. Like when I played Devourer Yi with BotRK I would *EASILY* wreck anyone 1v1... I dunno know... I wish someone could figure out a good build on him. Like I've seen Rageblade being used on him. Do you know if that's any good?
Based God Bullman Rageblade my first go to item when I first saw it had devourer's old passive. I think it's still pretty good, since the rage grants you your double strike every second hit like the old sated. But to be honest the AP on it is pretty useless, the magic damage it offers is negligible and the attack speed only goes up to 48% buff rather than the crazy 64% like it used to. So yeah, it's no where near as good as the old Sated and RB combo we all knew and loved, but the DPS output is still great once double strike is happening on every second hit. I'd be more inclined to try building straight damage and AS and see how that turns out. Wit's End could be something fun to try. I guess all we can do is try new builds until something else arises.
IncrediblyBlackObeseMan I don't use RB on him anymore. I'll use to on Shaco sometimes, but not YI. For Yi I guess I'll just stick with my AS quints and marks, Bloodrazer, Ravenous Hydra and Duskblade. :( BTW, yes, Wits End is a lot of fun on him.
I've basically carried my way with Jarvan IV from Gold to Diamond this season, i find him to be amongst the best junglers there is, ironically i never hear anyone suggest him or hardly talk about him at all.
You're early dependent,actually.The champ isn't really hard to play (I main him).But if you fail your early ganks n stuff....you're NOT going to be useless,but will not achieve your full potential.
+Jordan Holleman the only hard thing for me on shaco is clown management which is a big factor in skirmishes..but yeah Shaco if mastered..we have all watched Shaclone clips its disgusting :D
+Jordan Holleman Agree. Tons of builds works with him, depending on what your team needs. Raw DMG, DPS, Crit, Tank, AD, AP... whatever you want to build, it works on him.
Yes. Especially in low elo since you can by-pass wards, making ganking super easy since low elo players don't buy as many pinks as they should, and even if they do they're map awareness sucks so they might not even notice you pass by a pink.
What are the basics of playing Kindred? Is it mandatory to have a "you'r jungle is my jungle" mentality to play her effectively. I love the champion but can't seem to get a grasp of her while playing it; I just fumble and die haha.
+Joaquin Giannetti Used to play her a lot but i got bored for some reasons, try to get as many stacks on passive as possible, 8/10 games from my experience, the first mark is put on the Rift Scuttler, try to kill it before the enemy jungler takes it. Also put the marks in the early game on their enemy jungler and try to catch him offguard or on an squishy enemy laner. If you can't get stacks on the passive just try to get sated devourer asap.
I actually like Sej a lot and have a pretty solid win rate on her. She's fairly well rounded and the cc and tankiness is great, plus she's easy to play. I feel like she's underrated actually.
Sejuani is a great in that her damage scales pretty well and of course that she has powerful CC however the cost is that she is weak/vulnerable early especially as she is a rather poor at dueling
I would clearly replace Zac by Rengar. Zac asn't always been that strong, once upon a time it was used to be average/bad. But since the E buff, yeah, why not. But still, Rengo is THE SoloQ 1v9 carry in the jungle, so you should think more about him ;) (Plus he has been around for so long in SoloQ!)
as a diamond udyr main, what you said just is not true, to play udyr at it's highest potential you need to understand objective control, objective trade, the damage you can deal and take, the champions to look out for, you gotta have exceptional skills at dodging attacks and also ofc a very deep knowledge of the build path you should take at a given situation .
I would add Voli and Gragas on this list too. And now that they first took Nidalee passive away AND reduced Pounce damage, I wouldn't add her to this list, but she is quite effective still, if enemy has lot squishies and not so much cc.
+John Ploopy Voli is always good pick in the jungle and Gragas is always good pick in the jungle, they have kit that can carry teamfights and can 1v1. Nidalee has been good pick ONLY because she has been so strong. Her kit don't offer a thing in teamfights.
If you can play him, then I would suggest rengar. He can eliminate the enemy adc/mid and then go onto run out at incredible speeds, especially of you take stormraiders.
+8bitGordon Thanks! Also is Nidalee a good ap? I dont really like ap champions since they rely too much on their abilities, and if they are in cooldown you cant do much damage for sometimes over 5 seconds, which is a lot in a fight. An example for me personally is leblanc. She has an awesome early game with her w, but then in teamfights i feel like I can only w in then w out and the same with r and then wait for the cooldown. An ad such as cait where every auto attack does a lot of damage+abilities just seems stronger.
+8bitGordon Oh yeah also, do you think nidalee will be strong for EVERY patch like he stated in the video? Cause I take about 2-3 weeks to get 3200 IP, enough to buy nidalee, but it would suck if I bought her and then next patch she is nerfed to the point where she cant be played or is useless.
off meta pick that actually works and I've had so much success with is Zyra jungle. she's got amazing sustain and can clear the jungle fast and her ganks omg... they're great.
iam legend yea it might be easy to do in low elo but plat+ you can't just not 1v1 early it doesnt work like that.. enemy jungler will find you you know :D
Yeah it's hilarious how dumb low elo junglers are. I've been hard-carried by Kogmaw jungle more than once, when enemy jungler was Lee Sin, b/c the Lee Sin did not invade once... how stupid can you be?
I agree. Ive won many games with udyr by myself, while it was 5x4 in team fights, I was pushing objectives and they couldnt do anything to stop me. Recently, Ive tried ap udyr and man, it works! lol
WW is probably fine though he probably isn't the best 1v9 champion simply because if his team mates suck it can be difficult... WW can split push however he has no escapes should he be ganged up on and teamfights can be tricky... However Warwick is amazing at picking people off and SoloQ is often disorganised so finding someone out of position should be doable
+Jo Viljar Haugstulen I didn't have the 1v9 part in my video name lol "Top 5 HARD CARRY Junglers for Solo Queue in ANY PATCH - League of Legends" I got you on the CC / no escape part, but i mained amumu for now in jgl and I'm pretty annoyed by the midgame part of mumu if team falls hards. thx for the answer mate !
Please do an udyr guide after he got nerfed. People like trick build him phoenix, however I saw you were playing him tiger. I'm confused which is best right now and would appreciate some input.
+fARQUAD As an udyr "semi-main" if you allow me, with around 65% winrate in platinum, Tiger udyr isn't really my thing, Tiger is a duelist build, where you'll need one damage item after devourer to be actually effective at what you're supposed to do, but guess what, this makes you a shit tier master yi. A squishy udyr is stupidly bad, because you don't deal enough damage to kill tanks that fast, and you'll just blow up before getting to the back line. BUT STILL. He's ridiculously good at 1v1s and if the enemy team lacks hard CC or insane duelists, he can split push like a beast and take objectives faster than anyone i can think of, it's just that the tiger play style is a little unfortunate for udyr to apply to his fullest given his kit. I'm open for discussion, and if someone can prove me wrong for the tiger master race, i'll gladly hear your thoughts!
hey foxdrop your the one league youtube id actually take advice from. im currently in plat 2 euw as a yi main. my problem is when i get forced top because no top laners really .. wel.... deal with tanks.. expect for fiora... what are my other choices?
Is it bad that for some reason I just can't play easy champions? Kat, and Yi being my primary WTFs, because they are literally so easy and yet I play them like shit. Give me a more complex champion, say LB or Elise and I wreck... Is there something wrong with me? lol Also I am just curious, what ability do you max on Zac personally Fox? I've been told W and I play that way but I feel like there is some merit in maxing E first... Also keystone?
I main Zac. You max E first because leveling it not only lowers the cool down but also increases how far you can jump. I usually max W last because the cool down is not affected by levels.
I think I will start maxing E, I will still max the W second though as it does do AOE damage and is reduced CDR per blob pick up; the Q is just a slow, just used for utitlity
My most reliant hard carry jungler is vi, good clear, percentage dmg on dragons means you take it down easily, nice burst dmg for ganks, ult for guaranteed kills. Late game I build tanky after ad jungle item and mid / late game I just make picks but if I fall behind I can always peel for my carries.
+David Avedissian Hes strong, but not champ to carry, in tf he jumps in, than maybe take 1-2 kills and than die instantly. You can pull out insane plays but hes not champ that will carry your team fight, his objetcive secture isn´t best and hes not good split pusher either.
Why not graves in place of kindred? I feel that he's just more reliable, doesn't have to rely on snowballing like kindred does after the heavy nerfs. Being said though, I would think a skilled kindred could carry just as hard, but she takes a lot of practice in her current state.
I always play Zac as a comfort pick, since im pretty good with him and can carry solo queue games quite well (if my teammates arent complete idiots) you can gank while avoiding wards and his counter gank and burst potential is really high. Dont go Tank Zac tho, only if you really need to. My build is Runic Echoes (always), dark seal (OP) swiftness boots, Rylais. After that tank items, like spirit visage, warmogs, randuins, dead mans
No special/honor mentions? I would put down Zac in HM and put up something like Amumu or Volibear there... Assassins like Nocturne or Rengar for example can be good too, but I think they are some hard to carry with.
I have never done bad with blue build Trundle. He's so strong if you build armor and items that slow. He can split push, Sustain his jungle really well, clear pretty fast, 1v1's are not bad either.
+Nicolas Brown that's what makes his duelling power in the mid/late game insane, without that he gets rekt pretty hard by many duelists. At least AS junglers will be more usefull once they completed their item and not 15 min later when they stack devourer
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I wouldn't pick Zac to carry at lower MMRs, you're going to set stuff up and then be left to die due to lack of attention or just game knowledge from teammates.
Just spam pings. Even people at low mmrs listen to that shit
Cody Phillips You'd be surprised. That also doesn't increase their game knowledge, they're going to look at it and go "lol no I'd die" in a lot of cases because they don't know any better.
Hey foxdrop. I started playing league in Season 4 and tried to rank as soon as I hit level 30 which was very late in season 4. (horrid idea) I was absolutely horrid at this game and had no idea how bad I was until preseason 6 when I found your channel. I used to be Bronze 4 and so angry at my teammates every game, blaming them for losing games. since finding this channel I climbed out of "elo hell" in a matter of weeks and got to silver 2 where I feel I am about where I belong for now but I am aiming for gold 3 by the end of the season. so I wanted to say thank you for all the videos and game plays and making me see my mistakes and faults. I still have a long way to go but I never would have gotten any better without your videos. as a Jungle main and AD carry secondary, between you and Phy I have gotten SO much better at this game. Thank you and if you ever see this I happen to main Elise, and I want to get to the next level of good with her so I would love it if you could do a gameplay on her at some point! thanks again for the great videos!
same thing happen to me but stonewall helped more :)
stonewall knows nothing of what's he's talking about over the gold level, if you want to climb higher than gold do not ear what he says, you can trust me on this one
Hey dude good job!!!!You can aim for the plat seriously just watch out for mistakes and keep watching those two+Pants are Dragon maybe he is really nice too!
+ReivasMC umm... i'm gold and i don't think that gold is some fckn high elo it's more like casual good player and i don't rly want to achive more i mean my skill level is at gold,i don't need it to be higher :)
I've been bronze for 2 years also tryna climb since I hit lvl 30 but I'm still bronze IV rn
Proguides branching off into magic tricks too.. making your voice sound deeper and decent for once!!
+Phylol Part time Diamond ADC, full time savage.
where is Lee sin
+Zachary Sedgwick Not on this list where he belongs lol
+Phylol GOD DAMN
Phy obviously doesn't listen to his own recordings lmao
i don't always jungle, but when I do I play Warwick or Vi.
Liked for warwick
+Laserdemon Frostmage lol
+Rp Promos Is this real?
+Sean Mold LIKED FOR WW
+Sean Mold vi is a monster with just a AS mark at runes and quints D:
First "breach the gates" from foxxy then the damn yi pun ah man xD a reminder to why I am subbed to you
Foxdrop. I've watched a lot of league videos. Despite playing this game since Beta, at best, i'm a Gold V player. I just wanted to pop in and say that your videos have helped me become a better player. Your tone, poise, and teaching ability in regards to this game are top notch. You're a good guy, and the League Community is better for having you.
1v9? I'd have to say Udyr...
EVERYONE hates Udyr players, even Udyr players hate Udyr players.
why is that?? i haven't played him
@@WhiteSparr0w 2 years later you get your answer, because udyr is a 0 mechanics champion you have to know your game plan 100% and your champion 200% or you will just get stomped and outplayed even in low elo. So you have a player in Low elo, having only to focus on objectives (which is why most of the udyr wins,Udyrs should have among least dmg or at least lower end) and having great tools to take them as well.
So players hate Udyr because they feel like when they lose it's "nothing they could do" and "takes no skill" but in fact they had to have the better game knowledge and map awareness to win in the first place and/or the enemy just doesn't know their champions well enough. Like on a Vayne for example, there is no way you die to Udyr.
FINALLY!! someone recognizes Zac, its about damn time.
I love love love your videos and they have helped me massively in my quest to get better at league. I started only about two months ago and instantly fell in love with the jungle role and Kindred in particular. I also have a particular fondness for Rek'Sai and Skarner but I just wanted to say thank you for taking the time out to make all these videos. They've helped me improve massively I feel. From simply learning how to actually clear my jungle to running around and ganking. I haven't played ranked yet, I'm too nervous but with your videos I've massively improved my normal game mode win ratio. So thank you very much for that! Also as a side note, Kindred is a they! But thank you so much regardless!
I feel as though Nocturne is a great addition here. Kinda like Zac in ganking, strong late game, counters ganking champions. Godly ultimate. Kinda like Rengar ultimate. And can build kinda tanky.
Nocturne mains, unite.
His ganks are nothing like Zac...
But you're right about his ultimate being kinda like rengars but what happens to rengar after he ults makes him better.
Anyway, i think nocturne is pretty OK but not suitable for this list
Alex Andersson What I mean when it's similar to Zac is the long range ganks that catch you off guard.
+duncan devera zac can use his jump every gank he does noc cant ^^' so no comparison there ;3 noc is good to gank CC champs with his shield but alot of champs with dash can just ignore nocs ganks unless they overextend hard.
Hey FoxdropLoL, I have been looking at your videos. I thought you could mention more champions.
The old junglers, I think, still works well.
Xin Zhao:
His q Three Talon Strike damage was brought down but his q is one of the skills that does a bunch of damage at level 1.
He can gank successfully at level 2 with his three talon strike and his charge which also slows.
Xin's team fight is not bad at all, go in with charge ult and charge to the back line if possible. You might die but your team mate will decimate the enemy team.
Warwick:
Have to say he is one of my favorite champions to play, and is one of the best champions to gank, with a successful kill to your team mate or even better, to you.
HIs clearing is fast and does not have to worry about his health being low because of his q.
He basically can't do anything before level 6, but when he does get to level 6. I have been able to fight 1v1 with almost any champion. Does not matter if their top mid bot or even the other jungle.
I has mostly come out with at least 3 kills before 20min. That is not counting the kills I gave to my team mates.
My best so far before 20min KDA was 7/0/3.
These two I have seen snowball so hard when it works out.
Amumu:
Even though he has a very slow clearing time (mostly a grind to get the gold), after level four with your AP jungle item, he fast as any other champion.
Great ganks for early game pressure with his q.
When he hit level 6, his ult is a game changer, I came back from bad laning phase to a win because of his ult.
Thanks Dude! Hope you and everyone reading this is having a great day too.
My boy Zac got love! That small tweak on his Passive is so great too!
Glad to see Zac getting attention! As a Zac main I think he's one of the most underrated champions in the game.
That wuju pun........
+max jara wuju stop
+Kiandymundi kianu jesus when's your next video :^)
I think the one you've really missed as an honourable mention that has always stood the test of time is Hecarim. You have an excellent combination of mobility, burst, and DPS. Your build paths are really versatile, and you can start out with the same runes and masteries every game and still transition into an assassin, teamfighting frontliner, or split pushing nightmare as needed. He fills a very similar role to Udyr, and while he doesn't have as strong of a 1v1 (don't fight Udyr) you are honestly even MORE uncatchable. What you get in exchange for the dueling power is an ultimate on a relatively low cooldown that is A) just behind Unstoppable Force for "I'm outta here" and B) just behind Unstoppable Force for initiating a teamfight with massive CC.
If anyone thinks the twisted lovechild of Udyr and Malphite wouldn't be a sick 1v5 carry just hasn't tried Hecarim.
+AronFigaro He is kinda under rated for sure but he is really weak in a tank meta since he gets peeled away easily after the primary engage. His ganks also arent that good compared to meta junglers and his R is not even close to malphite's R. His damage really falls of late game as well and since you usually want to build damage jungle item + trinity, your tankiness also falls of and he ends up being a jack of all trades master of none :/
Would you recommend going devourer och runic echoes on Udyr? And maxing Tiger och Phoenix first?
foxdrop you're actually a great youtuber, thank you so much for being awesome and always being there for your fans and listening and helping us with all these awesome tips
Question about Udyr. What build would You recommend to go with? Devourer or Runic Echoes ? Trinity then tank or the Trick2g AP Udyr ? Or something totally different ?
like the new content since your break bro, sad reasons for that break, but the new content is real good and i respect you for that .showing a lot back to your fans too. keep it up man. peace.
How do you feel about Warwick? He plows through the jungle, stays healthy, and post-6 has some of the best ganks in the game. Plus he's really easy to play. I think if I start learning to jungle I'd try him first. He seems really safe to me :)
+Evin Grost i agree with you, first champion i learned to play is ww still my favorite
True I am WW main and I started understanding the game better with him xD .. Easy and effective.
So, Fox: Udyr- Devourer, Cinderhulk, or Runic?
where do I find this program/app called genius?
Awesome stuff man! Very educational and helpeful :) keep 'em coming!
It's nice to see Zac on a list, he's my go to jungler when I've been on a losing streak to turn thing around
I'd love to see volibear there somewhere. he had been there for patches now.
1. teemo
2. teemo
3. teemo
4. teemo
5. teemo
I would actually like to play Kindred but not sure how the nerfs will affect her.. do you think she will still be strong?
Love your vids, and you are such a nice guy. Also, could you make more guides for individual champs? Your Grag guide really helped me
What are some builds for these junglers? Udyr always changes so i never know how to run him.
you can legit do any jungle item on that stupid champ. the "best" one is the ap enchant into iceborn into tank but going juggernaut into tank is fine and sated into rageblade into tank is fucking cancer as well.
Go watch trick2g he is literally an udyr god
Tameem Alghazaly I just can't stand him honestly.
Hey foxy what is your opinion on xin in his current state and his ability to carry games
I agree wholeheartedly with what you said, but I think malphite and amumu deserve their place too. With ult up, they both can provide insane amounts of hard engage and cc, and some nice damage with the right build.
Good videos man, very informative and well explained :) keep it up!
Hey Foxxy how useful do you think Yi will be once devourer is gone
they added a new item tht should scale better with him
+Jigglenaut565 Prob wont scale better with him, but at least AS jungler will have a usable item they dont need to stack for 15 minutes before being usefull :D
+Trevor Hawkins Rageblade is gonna have sated passive I hear
true, well atleast now its 2 items to make him make me sad
I would add Voli to the list, maybe even over Zac. Zac requires good ganking sense and honestly his dmg is never "insane" even if you land the full combo. Voli is such a braindead jungler that does stupid damage by either ulting and just autoing or tapping W after 3 autos for tremendous kill stea...confirming damage. People might say "Oh you can just run from him" but there is only so much map you can hide in and if he can't gank from jungle he can always just lane gank from brush. Kindred is definitely the strongest overall but I don't know if she will stay good in any patch.
Kindred is not a she dammit.
It's they.
Kindred the champion is they, you are correct. But perhaps they mean lamb
+Val V Lamb without Wolf is a shitty adc so he probably didn't mean Lamb specifically.
+FafliX Last time I said this someone informed me that "kindred, is genderless".....I pretty much gave up after that.
+DracaNova
Well technically Kindred is both, but neither.
They are death, and what gender is death?
Male? Female? Both? Neither?
I don't really know.
You play as Lamb who is a female. I still call Kindred she, I don't really give a fat fuck.
Can i ask about what can you do when you play a high risk high reward jungler and not doing very well at early game ? Can i be back at the game ?
How do you recommend going about building udyr post-nerf
pheonix all the way
What is meant with takes objectives very well? Destroying towers?
I Feel like a champion you definitely overlooked in this is Nocturne, he is extremely good right now especially with thunderlord's and building Warrior+Youmuu's as your core items makes him a powerful burst ganker. He essentially acts like a pseudo Rengar, in the fact that he can take one person out and turning the fight into a 4v5
Zac's one of my favorite champions and I'm glad to see him on this list
Hey, dude, i main ttop lane but i want to rotate to jungle, but i strugle a lot, will you consider doing a beginner guide or something? Love your videos.
hey fox, I have all my buttons remove from my keyboard expect from my q (Don't ask how I wrote this comment)
Will this be enough to play yi at a high lvl?
Master Yi is easy to play but he isn't so good right now, if I'm not mistaken, he was nerfed recently. This is just an update, when Fox made this video, he was likely still strong. Fiddlesticks is very easy to clear with and the gank is pretty easy with his ultimate, which acts as little flash forward. His drain can allow him to solo Dragon if allowed the time, but don't try this as the elemental dragons are coveted.
In bronze to gold, Volibear is very strong. After Cinderhulk buffs he got so ridiculous. He has good clear once you get Tiamat and still decent before and is actually very strong in 1v1s even though he is a tank.
My preferred build is Cinderhulk > Titanic Hydra > Dead Mans > Spirit Visage > Guardian Angel and for boots I go swiftness.
One of these days there will be a full 15 second pause in your outro between the words "next" and "video". I swear it gets longer each time
is yi still good after devour is gone?
+xXRed ErrorXx pretty sure they put the devourer passive on the rageblade. in which case hes stronger. with blood razers % health and then devourer passive on guinsoos id say hes much better
lovely to see zac on the list, he is the reason i got to diamond last season,,, when im down a couple games i just play him to make myself feel better
So how does one play udyr or yi? Whenever I play them I just feel helpless. Even if I show up late to a teamfight, and/or come from behind, I always get focussed down and die instantly.
I'd strongly consider xin zhao. My first 17 games with him were 13 wins 4 losses. If you have a crap team you can split push with him and win it yourself, which is where most of my wins came from. Xin with a sona on your butt can tank turrets all the way to the nexus as well. I don't have to rely on teammates one bit with him.
Is Khazix/Rengar too dependent on the meta/not being nerfed to be a consistent hard carry?
no, rengar is nerfed as fk for seasons and he still can one shot anyone (mastery 7 on rengo xD)
what to build zac ? I play him very often and I go runic echoed , rylais and lyandrie then I get tanky items it works but just asking for opinion
+Dimitar L. As a Zac Main, always go cinder... Sure echoes is fine and dandy but it's just burst. With Zac you want to live as long as possible and distract the enemy team while you put as much consistent AOE (Zac W, R, Cinderhulk) damage as possible. So I would suggest this... Cinderhulk, if you are doing well or up against tanks Liandry's, Rylais can work but I feel it's a bit meh, then tank out. I always go a Deadman's plate and then if you're up against MR or the AP mage got super ahead Spirit Visage as it synergizes well with your passive heal.
Hey Fox, what about rengar?
I'd replace Zac with Shyvana. Her ganks are not as strong but she has insane stats and cleartimes. Also, her ult can be used as a free escape, which gives her a huge advantage compared to other junglers like Xin and Vi who can only commit to a fight an are fucked if they want to go out of a fight again.
1:32 I saw that
Where can I find that genius thingy? Looked like a mobile app but can't find it in the app store. Not that I need it that much Im a diamond player myself but im just curious about how good it is.
mid lane zyra, dont know if still good after change, but if you use your team as a meatshield efficiently and wait for enemy carries to get a little closer before ulting its a free win
I feel like vi could have been a replacement for zac. While other junglers are able to also start engages or assassinate a carry Vi has one of thee best lock-downs(if not the best), making her pretty resilient to meta
Question: During this current patch, is Yi really that good? The reason I'm asking is because I played him recently and yes I did okay with him; I went something like 8/3/5, but I use to go like 16/2/10.
Now mind you I haven't looked at the recent patch notes on Yi but did he get *slightly* nerfed?
+Based God Bullman
The real nerf to Yi was the removal of devourer. Some say Bloodrazor is as good in some ways, but I cant stand only have percentage damage with it and Bork any more, rather than the magic damage offered my devourer. This patch I really don't know what to build on him, crit Yi could still be interesting though. But yeah, I really liked devourer, it was like an amazing minigame all the melee junglers had which was like really fun. It motivated you to get objectives for your team as well, like dragons and scuttlecrabs.
IncrediblyBlackObeseMan Dude I totally agree. Like I haven't played in awhile and I built Bloodrazer, Death Dance, Maw, Sterak's, and other things that I forget and honestly it was so dissapointing. Sure I was trying something "new" on him but it just didn't feel like Yi.
I could barely beat a Shaco in a 1v1. Like when I played Devourer Yi with BotRK I would *EASILY* wreck anyone 1v1... I dunno know...
I wish someone could figure out a good build on him. Like I've seen Rageblade being used on him. Do you know if that's any good?
Based God Bullman Rageblade my first go to item when I first saw it had devourer's old passive. I think it's still pretty good, since the rage grants you your double strike every second hit like the old sated. But to be honest the AP on it is pretty useless, the magic damage it offers is negligible and the attack speed only goes up to 48% buff rather than the crazy 64% like it used to.
So yeah, it's no where near as good as the old Sated and RB combo we all knew and loved, but the DPS output is still great once double strike is happening on every second hit.
I'd be more inclined to try building straight damage and AS and see how that turns out. Wit's End could be something fun to try. I guess all we can do is try new builds until something else arises.
IncrediblyBlackObeseMan I don't use RB on him anymore. I'll use to on Shaco sometimes, but not YI.
For Yi I guess I'll just stick with my AS quints and marks, Bloodrazer, Ravenous Hydra and Duskblade. :(
BTW, yes, Wits End is a lot of fun on him.
I've basically carried my way with Jarvan IV from Gold to Diamond this season, i find him to be amongst the best junglers there is, ironically i never hear anyone suggest him or hardly talk about him at all.
+Nikken11 he was the no.1 pick in s3 and 4 tho
Sejuani has huge impact in team fights. A lot if sustain and very good jungle clears early and late game . She is game changing Champions !
I feel like Shaco can hard carry games too, he's just very difficult to play.
You're early dependent,actually.The champ isn't really hard to play (I main him).But if you fail your early ganks n stuff....you're NOT going to be useless,but will not achieve your full potential.
Nah, full crit shack is broken
+Jordan Holleman the only hard thing for me on shaco is clown management which is a big factor in skirmishes..but yeah Shaco if mastered..we have all watched Shaclone clips its disgusting :D
+Jordan Holleman Agree. Tons of builds works with him, depending on what your team needs. Raw DMG, DPS, Crit, Tank, AD, AP... whatever you want to build, it works on him.
Love the new intro :D
Would you coniderr Evelynn as a viable jungler?
Yes. Especially in low elo since you can by-pass wards, making ganking super easy since low elo players don't buy as many pinks as they should, and even if they do they're map awareness sucks so they might not even notice you pass by a pink.
i'm early
but there is no joke
What are the basics of playing Kindred? Is it mandatory to have a "you'r jungle is my jungle" mentality to play her effectively. I love the champion but can't seem to get a grasp of her while playing it; I just fumble and die haha.
+Joaquin Giannetti Used to play her a lot but i got bored for some reasons, try to get as many stacks on passive as possible, 8/10 games from my experience, the first mark is put on the Rift Scuttler, try to kill it before the enemy jungler takes it. Also put the marks in the early game on their enemy jungler and try to catch him offguard or on an squishy enemy laner.
If you can't get stacks on the passive just try to get sated devourer asap.
I actually like Sej a lot and have a pretty solid win rate on her. She's fairly well rounded and the cc and tankiness is great, plus she's easy to play. I feel like she's underrated actually.
Sejuani is a great in that her damage scales pretty well and of course that she has powerful CC however the cost is that she is weak/vulnerable early especially as she is a rather poor at dueling
Jo Viljar Haugstulen Yeah, that's true.
I would clearly replace Zac by Rengar. Zac asn't always been that strong, once upon a time it was used to be average/bad. But since the E buff, yeah, why not. But still, Rengo is THE SoloQ 1v9 carry in the jungle, so you should think more about him ;) (Plus he has been around for so long in SoloQ!)
as a diamond udyr main, what you said just is not true, to play udyr at it's highest potential you need to understand objective control, objective trade, the damage you can deal and take, the champions to look out for, you gotta have exceptional skills at dodging attacks and also ofc a very deep knowledge of the build path you should take at a given situation .
I would add Voli and Gragas on this list too. And now that they first took Nidalee passive away AND reduced Pounce damage, I wouldn't add her to this list, but she is quite effective still, if enemy has lot squishies and not so much cc.
+John Ploopy Voli is always good pick in the jungle and Gragas is always good pick in the jungle, they have kit that can carry teamfights and can 1v1. Nidalee has been good pick ONLY because she has been so strong. Her kit don't offer a thing in teamfights.
Love all your videos they are informative, and I like that you put some jokes and funny stuff in them.
If you can play him, then I would suggest rengar. He can eliminate the enemy adc/mid and then go onto run out at incredible speeds, especially of you take stormraiders.
Are nidalee and kindred ap? Also which would do better in late game/teamfights?
Nidalee is AP, Kindred is AD. Kindred definitely better in teamfights especially with ult
+8bitGordon Thanks! Also is Nidalee a good ap? I dont really like ap champions since they rely too much on their abilities, and if they are in cooldown you cant do much damage for sometimes over 5 seconds, which is a lot in a fight. An example for me personally is leblanc. She has an awesome early game with her w, but then in teamfights i feel like I can only w in then w out and the same with r and then wait for the cooldown. An ad such as cait where every auto attack does a lot of damage+abilities just seems stronger.
+8bitGordon Oh yeah also, do you think nidalee will be strong for EVERY patch like he stated in the video? Cause I take about 2-3 weeks to get 3200 IP, enough to buy nidalee, but it would suck if I bought her and then next patch she is nerfed to the point where she cant be played or is useless.
+Jack Smith Nidalee is strong, but like Foxdrop mentioned you need to not suck at skillshots. Nidalee in particular has a difficult skillshot to land.
+Makoren That is true.
Zac was mentioned in a Jungle video, I'm so happy.
off meta pick that actually works and I've had so much success with is Zyra jungle. she's got amazing sustain and can clear the jungle fast and her ganks omg... they're great.
Im a kindred main and im pretty happy she finally Gest som credit as a good champion, most of the time she is pretty underestimated
@foxdrop i really expected the jungle queen reksai to be in the postion zac was in
I think they have somewhat the same function
Is udyr viable as top 5 after the nerf?
+wonjin choi Yes, Riot only nerfed a bit of his earlygame clear. If you switch up your build and runes a bit you will be able to carry just as hard
Is lee sin still viable?
What's the top 5 for S7?
even though he is weak in the current meta. i have always loved Amumu just compact kit with carry potential
***** well things like Nidalee Graves if they are good can make your life hell in early-mid game so i'd say he is weak in current meta
+BaronskiLoLigra4a he scales into late game just don't 1v1 early game wait for few items you're good to go..you'll sit on people and they'll die ..
iam legend yea it might be easy to do in low elo but plat+ you can't just not 1v1 early it doesnt work like that.. enemy jungler will find you you know :D
EXACTLY IN HIGHER ELLO ENEMY JUNGLER WILL KILL YOU CUZ AMUMU SUCK EARLY GAME BaronskiLoLigra4a
Yeah it's hilarious how dumb low elo junglers are. I've been hard-carried by Kogmaw jungle more than once, when enemy jungler was Lee Sin, b/c the Lee Sin did not invade once... how stupid can you be?
I agree. Ive won many games with udyr by myself, while it was 5x4 in team fights, I was pushing objectives and they couldnt do anything to stop me. Recently, Ive tried ap udyr and man, it works! lol
what about ww ? i just train him for a while and i found pretty suited for jgl atm
WW is probably fine though he probably isn't the best 1v9 champion simply because if his team mates suck it can be difficult... WW can split push however he has no escapes should he be ganged up on and teamfights can be tricky... However Warwick is amazing at picking people off and SoloQ is often disorganised so finding someone out of position should be doable
+Jo Viljar Haugstulen I didn't have the 1v9 part in my video name lol "Top 5 HARD CARRY Junglers for Solo Queue in ANY PATCH - League of Legends"
I got you on the CC / no escape part, but i mained amumu for now in jgl and I'm pretty annoyed by the midgame part of mumu if team falls hards.
thx for the answer mate !
app name plss
Please do an udyr guide after he got nerfed. People like trick build him phoenix, however I saw you were playing him tiger. I'm confused which is best right now and would appreciate some input.
+fARQUAD As an udyr "semi-main" if you allow me, with around 65% winrate in platinum, Tiger udyr isn't really my thing, Tiger is a duelist build, where you'll need one damage item after devourer to be actually effective at what you're supposed to do, but guess what, this makes you a shit tier master yi. A squishy udyr is stupidly bad, because you don't deal enough damage to kill tanks that fast, and you'll just blow up before getting to the back line.
BUT STILL. He's ridiculously good at 1v1s and if the enemy team lacks hard CC or insane duelists, he can split push like a beast and take objectives faster than anyone i can think of, it's just that the tiger play style is a little unfortunate for udyr to apply to his fullest given his kit.
I'm open for discussion, and if someone can prove me wrong for the tiger master race, i'll gladly hear your thoughts!
how hard was it to not include yi?
hey foxdrop your the one league youtube id actually take advice from. im currently in plat 2 euw as a yi main. my problem is when i get forced top because no top laners really .. wel.... deal with tanks.. expect for fiora... what are my other choices?
1.Master YI
2.Rengar
3.Udyr
4.Shaco
5.Nidalee
Is it bad that for some reason I just can't play easy champions? Kat, and Yi being my primary WTFs, because they are literally so easy and yet I play them like shit. Give me a more complex champion, say LB or Elise and I wreck... Is there something wrong with me? lol
Also I am just curious, what ability do you max on Zac personally Fox? I've been told W and I play that way but I feel like there is some merit in maxing E first... Also keystone?
I main Zac.
You max E first because leveling it not only lowers the cool down but also increases how far you can jump.
I usually max W last because the cool down is not affected by levels.
I think I will start maxing E, I will still max the W second though as it does do AOE damage and is reduced CDR per blob pick up; the Q is just a slow, just used for utitlity
My most reliant hard carry jungler is vi, good clear, percentage dmg on dragons means you take it down easily, nice burst dmg for ganks, ult for guaranteed kills. Late game I build tanky after ad jungle item and mid / late game I just make picks but if I fall behind I can always peel for my carries.
why not rengar?
+David Avedissian Hes strong, but not champ to carry, in tf he jumps in, than maybe take 1-2 kills and than die instantly. You can pull out insane plays but hes not champ that will carry your team fight, his objetcive secture isn´t best and hes not good split pusher either.
+RealLeskot jea ur right, but if u take out the adc and midlaner or somthing u, can make teamfights rly ez for ur team.
+RealLeskot or u can go tank rengar/ ap:p
+RealLeskot ap=instant penta triple w combi
Ap rengar is effective as long as you face full squishy team, with two oe more tanks, or someone who is capable to cc you its useless.
Why not graves in place of kindred? I feel that he's just more reliable, doesn't have to rely on snowballing like kindred does after the heavy nerfs. Being said though, I would think a skilled kindred could carry just as hard, but she takes a lot of practice in her current state.
I think skarner is one of the best junglers, his ult let you get rid of enemy ad carry or mid laner in a second if your team is near by.
I always play Zac as a comfort pick, since im pretty good with him and can carry solo queue games quite well (if my teammates arent complete idiots)
you can gank while avoiding wards and his counter gank and burst potential is really high.
Dont go Tank Zac tho, only if you really need to. My build is Runic Echoes (always), dark seal (OP) swiftness boots, Rylais. After that tank items, like spirit visage, warmogs, randuins, dead mans
Great video! :D
No special/honor mentions? I would put down Zac in HM and put up something like Amumu or Volibear there... Assassins like Nocturne or Rengar for example can be good too, but I think they are some hard to carry with.
Wolf is so ignored, nobody calls Kindred "they."
Same with lulu and Pix
+Kaptin Kappa same with Swain and Beatrice
Same with Nunu and Willump
+Michael Mader and Annie and tibbers
+Benjamin Schröder not the same thing
Kindred is bloody insane in a long game. I had a game yesterday where I got 16 marks. that is 20% current health damage. that was fun
I have never done bad with blue build Trundle. He's so strong if you build armor and items that slow. He can split push, Sustain his jungle really well, clear pretty fast, 1v1's are not bad either.
Hey foxy you sure for yi couse of the new jungle item attack speed
Yi already has a built in Sated Devourer passive. More specifically the double strike component. Sated Devourer just quadruples the damage.
+Nicolas Brown that's what makes his duelling power in the mid/late game insane, without that he gets rekt pretty hard by many duelists. At least AS junglers will be more usefull once they completed their item and not 15 min later when they stack devourer