League's Original 40 Champions: Then and Now | League of Legends
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2023
- League of Legends was released in 2009. While still remaining relevant and prospering is impressive in it of itself, it doesn't come without change. This is my explanation on how champions were like back then, compared to now.
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I missed some info! It looks like I left out some info on certain champions, the comment section here was kind enough to correct some things. Definitely give them a look! If I used your footage but forgot to credit you, please let me know, I'll make a community post dedicated to it. Ty for watching
Also I may have messed up blitz hook, it looks like it's point and click however the indicator may just be the point and click indicator,
Sivir had a rework that changed her W and E. mostly E used to be togglable. Also she used to get dodge chance with her passive. Evelynn also had 2 complete reworks
yup!@@game_case214
wheres that tf teleport ability :(
poppy
Is no one gonna mention that you used to be able to build full AP on Master YI and absolutely 1-shot the entire enemy team and heal your whole HP bar with a single W?
im potentially gonna make a vid about that
It was disgusting! If you saw an AP yi on the other team you pretty much gave up 😂
dark times..that meta drained my elo dry XD
Face roll Yi, I remember
So many games whwere yi would 1v5 and heal through full team damage
Old Teemo is nothing like new Teemo. His abilities are the same, but that's in a vacuum. His W was so broken they rebalanced all of move speed against it with the soft cap, the move speed softcaps are exactly on Teemo's W thresholds to nerf him. His R didn't used to have a timeout, and they were infinite. A mushroom placed at level 6 would still be there at 40 minutes if no one hit it. The timers on placed items was created to clean up mushroom spam, nerfing Teemo. The change to stealth mechanics, also Teemo shrooms were the cause. Which nerfed him again. In the first few seasons of league Teemo was the canary in the coalmine. They balanced the entire game based on how annoying Teemo was, or how he impacted it. Teemo was a monster. The power budget on his R was much much hire. I've fond memories of true oneshottting a squishy who walked over a shroom while I was on the other side of the map. Seriously, with early Teemo a single shrooms could 100% to 0% health some champions. That got nerfed too.
Wow bro thanks a lot for the giga in depth analysis, pro insight! For this video I tended to keep the reworks within a vacuum like you said, some champions had midscopes that I didn't mention for the sake of the video's pacing, but if I ever revisit this type of thing I'll try to make it less broad.
My baby sister used to LOVE playing as Teemo back in the day. Our entire mini map used to be completely lit because of her shroom placement. We had full vision before Wards and Vision became the meta. Won a lot of our games too due to all the free vision lol
@@Toshinegawa Out of all the ways to play Teemo my favorite was what it was in the early days. Bottom lane support. Blind and poison had so little of his power budget that what he really did was harassing the lane. He slowly whittled everyone down and his super high movement speed meant he was impossible to chase. He had to be locked down when he went in for the engage. He was the most fun poke champion before Riot decided league didn't need pure poke champions anymore. Sure, shrooming the entire map late game with shrooms and one shooting people was great. But most of the game wasn't spent doing that. It was slowly but surely wearing the other side down with constant ambushes from stealth and running. There wasn't so much sustain. Pure poke champions were a viable strategy. And Teemo was the best at it. I miss that version of him.
Oh man, I have so many fond memories of covering the entire enemy jungle with shrooms and then just get random kill announcements while I was distracted with something else
I can't believe you didn't mention the fact that Veigar's ultimate used to not be an execute. It just used to be a huge fuck-off blast of point-and-click magic damage. THAT SCALED WITH YOUR TARGET'S AP TOO
HAHAHAH WTF??? 💀💀
I remember how disgusting it was. It scaled with 100% of Veigar AP and 80% of the enemy AP. You could hit more than 2k dmg with no effort and erase any mage you had in front of you full hp. Just pointing and clicking on it. Thinking about how many years passed make me feel so old xD
@@umbertoruini5411 I main veigar pre changes. It was sick tbh. DFG + Q + meteor kills every tank and then u just flash ult enemy apc.
Also his Q wasnt point and click? I dont remember. They change it.
Even if u die it is allways trade 2 for 1.
@@user-lc4he3cz5u yes, his Q was a point and click as shown in the video, combined with DFG and instant E veig was insane
His ultimate scaled with enemy MANA, but Mundo, Garen and Katarina were a thing so it changed to enemy ap.
Well, Sion used to be played in mid as an AP burst mage and even got some games in pro play (Reginald or Misaya). Rushing boots and 5 Doran rings was the way to go.
I did originally have in the script to talk about how Sion used to be able to basically build anything, but I ended up scrapping it because I didn't have a lot of footage
although undoubtably the new sion is a better champ 100% i will still always prefer old sion he was just so fun to run around building the most random shit killing 1 guy and instantly dying after he was just enjoyable
@@LexisVoyage shit me i prefered the ad build jsut build crit lifesteal and sicne you gained perm hp for everythign you killed i had tank hp but had the dmg of an adc and thanks to his old passive of reducing dmg and his old ult of 100% lifesteal oh naw
@@LexisVoyageold sion ap was one of the best old fiora counter . Q W run away in lane autowin against old fiora
@@lolsnowball_ and he had great ap ratio ( 100% on shield explosion and stun from E)
Blitzcrank Q was ALWAYS a skillshot, what may have confused you is the fact that the skillshot range was shown as circle even if it wasn't point and click.
yeah a couple people mentioned that, definitely interesting though
I was told (by a friend that played since s1) by the end of s3 (when I started trying blitz) that it was quickly hot fixed away and that it was a point click on the first h after release 👀
it might seem point and click, because it went trough minions at first, but they hotfixed it :)
o@@rootenrick3397
was wondering aswell
Ap tristana was the strongest Assassin. At lvl 2 your enemy lost 50% hp, if u hit W and E (point and click). At lvl 6, the enemy was a oneshot. No items needed
nostalgia hits hard
the fiddlesticks fear back in the day would throw a champoin to run in a random direction instead of away from fiddle. its well noted how halarious it was to get feared and immediatly run into the enemy team
i hate fear
Wasnt Just Fiddle Q, but fear in General, so Nocturne E would also do stupid stuff sometimes
And his W wasn't slightly weaker because it was a single target spell. It had a good scaling and it was mandatory to cc him.
Fiddlesticks was a menace back then, the silence crow bouncing between two enemy heroes was just sick
ZIlean's old Wwas continuously useable but, more importantly, worked on the ult as well. At some point, it seemed like you could keep someone permanently alive if they stayed alive a few seconds after each ult use.
thats so broken haha
@@lolsnowball_ Yeah it was like you had your ult in URF mode while everybody else had normal cooldowns. In extended late game fights it was possible to have your ult up twice.
Wow what a trip down memory lane. I’m still scratching my head thinking about the funny changes these champs had and digging up old videos, being amazed at some of this old stuff. That Eve stun from stealth is a thing of nightmares. Fun times, thanks for the video 😊
thanks a lot! im glad i could help you relive it
Old yi had the possibility of playing him ap, which was extremely fun as his heals and qs were massive,paired with the resets!
I may do a vid on this :)
Yea, I remember that, it was called Meditanking.
Ayo that's me! 8:04 thanks for including my old clips from season 1
woah thats really cool bro, the OG goat
I miss my Sion build. I stacked straight crit damage runes and built 100% crit chance with 350% crit damage (after IE), healing for 100% of the damage dealt. When I ulted, I was unkillable as long as I could attack.
Old sion was cool because of how versatile his build was for sure, sounds like a fun time bro
I miss the AP ratio
i still remember the days of old nunu right before the rework. max E and then W and run predator so your next snowball would literally 1 shot the adc
haha
So far, most of the champions you've said are identical are actually pretty different.
Singed: His entire passive was reworked. He didn't originally have any movement speed boost at all. Pretty sure his old passive was something like HP from AP, similar to half of Vladimir's passive.
Sivir: Her W and ultimate were both massively changed a little while ago. W was changed from being just her next 3 autos, to all of them within 4 seconds. Her ultimate was changed to reduce the cooldowns of all her basic abilities on-hit. And her E was changed to restore HP instead of mana.
Master Yi probably changed the most out of any champion who didn't get a full VGU. His old passive was % chance to trigger on every auto, not just happened every third. His old Q was Highlander, with the same slow immunity and movement and attack speed steroid, but without the possibility to extend the duration. His old W had a really bad heal scaling. His old E was a toggle that cost mana similar to Ashe's old Q, and his old ultimate was Alpha Strike, but with a 5 minute cooldown, 300% AD ratio, and could hit up to 10 targets, but it couldn't hit targets multiple times and didn't have any cooldown refund mechanics like it does now. When he was first reworked into his current kit design, his Q had a 100% AP ratio, and his W had a 300% AP ratio, so people just built AP on him and healed to full in a single second of Meditate while dealing 1-shot damage with Alpha Strike.
Annie has also had a model and animations update. The old Annie model also had something that might've been problematic if more people saw it: if she died facing towards the purple base, her skirt would flip up and you would be able to see her panties. Since I only played bots and mid lane back then, and she was one of two bots that could appear in mid lane, and the bots were coded to always run towards their base when they were low health no matter what, this is something that I saw pretty frequently. I'm glad that that animation got changed. I mean, I was like, 11 back then so I didn't really feel creepy, but now that I'm an adult, I feel creepy just knowing that it existed at one point in time and that I saw it. She hasn't changed much kit-wise, but her E had some movement speed attached to it, and Tibbers used to just die when she died.
Zilean's W also used to affect his ult CD. And his ult mark for revive lasted 90 seconds. You could have 3 people on your team ulted if you didn't get into a fight long enough and had max CDR.
I've heard that original Ryze's E was some sort of toggle that was similar to the old muramana: while active, his autos did bonus damage based on his mana. Other than that, here's an ability rundown:
Passive: Pretty much always remained the same, his abilities scale with mana, however back in the day, it also reduced all of his spell's CDs by his Q's CD whenever he cast a spell. During his last iteration before his full VGU, you had to cast 5 spells before you could enter machine gun mode, and doing so gave you movement speed and a shield as well.
Q: Was point and click. Otherwise unchanged throughout his entire existence.
W: Rooted automatically without needing to combo with E.
E: Bounced to other nearby enemies and possibly to Ryze as well, dealing damage with each bounce. It got changed during the last iteration before his full VGU as well to hit the initial target, bounce to all nearby enemies, and then bounce back to his initial target.
R: Ultimate Power. Ryze gains movement speed, spell vamp, and his spells all damage surrounding enemies.
All in all, as someone who has played Ryze all the way back to season 1, the iteration before his current one has to be my favorite. Stacking up the Runes to get the speed boost, shield, and machine gun mode was so much fun and I wish they'd bring it back.
Heimerdinger: His passive was literally just health regen near turrets instead of movement speed. His turrets actually upgraded as you ranked them up. I forget the exact upgrades, but at ranks 3 and 5, they did different things. Upgrade couldn't be used to upgrade his other spells, just the turrets, and it turned all of his existing turrets into fire turrets that dealt bonus damage instead.
Biggest change to Alistar outside of what was mentioned was that his Q can now be cast during his W to buffer it to cast immediately after. You used to have to cast it with the perfect timing to get the knockup, which was really hard to do.
Kayle: Again, you missed the biggest changes, to her passive and E. Her old passive was that her attacks and abilities would shred the armor of their targets. Her old E was that her attacks dealt more damage, were ranged, and dealt them in AoE for 10 seconds (12 second cooldown, starts on cast). When you got 40% CDR, your E was permanent.
Also should be noted about Gangplank: His old E cost him shooting and killing an allied minion with it originally. Yes, he would get the gold for killing the minion. And deny it from his opponent. That actually was a mechanic in early League as a whole that you could attack, kill, and get the gold from your own minions, but Gangplank's E continued to have him kill a minion even after this change was made.
heimer passive was that he used to give nearby turrets and towers hp regen
i miss ryze v1, his Q was a relaxing point and click 650 range poke and his ult, albeit simple, felt satisfying in teamfights as it made your abilities AoE and spellvamp
old singed got HP for mana.
you could go tear and rod and passively got so much HP by stacking mana
I think he was more wrong than right in this video. Maybe you could understand if his bar for "different" is high, but then he said anivia was changed a lot, so idk about that one.
From what I remember Heimer ult didn't make fire turrets, that was upgrading your Q to max. His ult made all his spells, or just turrets, I forgot, become blue and slow enemies on hit.
also, annies old E did not affect tibbers at all, and did not give a shield nor movement speed. it used to give MR and armor and was only usable on annie herself and not allies.
Damn... kinda miss some of these old champions, i remember having super fun playing full ap nunu in urf spamming E because the enemy couldn't run away due to the slow. Also abusing evelynns stealth by buying sunfire and killing the enemy in secret was hilarious. The fact that i forgot that kayle and alistar got changed is kinda unexpected though... my memory failing me i suppose.
Duuude i miss old nunu too.. And yeah the sunfire invis tech was so broken XD hard to believe how league used to be
@@lolsnowball_ Season 4 days best days :D
Especially season 4 urf, ahh... I miss is so bad :c
@@lolsnowball_ Old Nunu was hilarious because at some point at I think season 6 (?) every camp would give you a different buff. It was also amazing to keep the enemy jungler 3 levels below you and just run at him with like 5 buffs and bloodboil. His kit wasnt amazing at fighting but that didnt matter if you were 2 or 3 levels ahead
yeah haah i mained ap nunu mid before his rework@@PotatoMussab
Just to correct something, Way back Twitch use to be invisible for a whole minute, BUT Eveline use to be invisible forever once maxed out
It was a strategy for a while to use multiple Sunflower Cape, turn invisible, and just follow the enemy around and let them burn, as long as you did not attack or use a skill they could not do anything
i remember this haha
Sunfire Shaco. Iirc, Boots, Madreds, and four Sunfires. Copy yourself, slow somebody with auto attacks, and watch them melt.
Cho'Gath is definitely not the same exact champion today. His E used to be a toggle, his ult used to get its cooldown reduced when used on minions, he didn't scale infinitely, and he lost half of his ult stacks upon death.
those were worth pointing out u right
3:20 also old ashe E gave bonus gold for minions and it gave more if you maxed it
her E? or her Q? either way, ty for the addition brotha
Her E, the old hawkshot.@@lolsnowball_
@@lolsnowball_ it was on her E
guaranteed crit on passive too
money maker ashe and money maker GP.. i was there^^
As someone who played back in season 2, I can fix few minor errors or missing stuff:
Soraka - Starcall (Q): also used to reduce enemies Magic Resist by 6, stacking up to 10 times max. Infused used to cost 0 Mana meaning she was giving Mana or Silencing enemies absolutely for free
Ashe - Her passive Focus was infamous for being a terrible passive for an ADC/Marksmen. Half the time it felt like she didnt even have a passive to begin with. This was why Support Ashe was actually viable because she could actually use the Passive
Annie: Molten Shield (E): Used to only be able to cast on herself, and despite its name, did NOT grant a barrier shield or movement speed buff
Amumu: His passive, Cursed Touch used to only be applied by his Auto attacks and instead of causing afflicted eneimes to take percent of true damage from incoming magic damage, it instead just reduced their Magic Resist by a certain amount
Nasus: had a different in-game model
Morgana: Her W used to be called "Tainted Soil." While functionally similar, the current "Tormented Shadow" Damage is increased by the enemies % of missing health. Tainted Soil on the other hand, reduced the enemies Magic Resist the longer they stayed in the AOE allowing her damage to rack up
Dr. Mundo - his W used to be called "Burning Agony" It could be toggled on and off and when active, gave him free tenacity
Tristana's Q acts the same way now as it did back then, nothing new
Zilean: Rewind (W): Used to also be able to reduce the cooldown of his Ultimate by 10 seconds along with his other abilities
Cho'Gath: his E used to be a toggle ability
Heimerdinger: Actually, the shots from his turrets used to reduce the Magic Resist of his enemies, if they fought you around your turrets for too long. They also didnt go inactive after some time if Heimerdinger was too far away from them. On paper, his old rockets sounds underwhelming but there was a trick you could use that had zero counterplay. in the laning phase, wait until there's 1 or 2 minions left then walk up and fire. the enemy couldnt do anything about it because they auto lock. Finally, his Ultimate let him fire 5 rockets, his grenade traveled faster but the true power was to his turrets which now fired ice shots that slows the enemy
Katarina: There's actually two Katarinas actually, the one on release, and the first rework before she got reworked to who she is now. Original Katarina: Had a different in-game model. Bouncing Blade (Q) Could hit up to 5 enemies *BUT* only if you level it up. it dealt full damage to main target while those hit by the bounce took slightly less damage Her original W was called Killer Instincts and passively gave attack speed if she hit the same target. when activated, it allowed her Q to do full damage to all those it hit, and also reduced healing they could get. it also increased her Dodge chance if she used Shunpo. Her Ultimate also had a small channel time BEFORE she actually started throwing daggers for the attack. / 2nd Katarina: Her Q was changed to have the max 5 Bounce regardless of level compared to now where it can only bounce two times.
i appreciate the info bro! thanks for adding to the video, based on the comments there was a good amount of technical things i missed
Regarding Katarina: Didn't her empowered E increase flat dmg reduction by percentage? I think you could go over 100% dmg reduction with old Leviathan item and her W-E combo.
@@user-vz5iq5mx3f I don't know the % but I always went Hextech, Meija's, Occult and Leviathan (I was trash lmao)
2nd katarina was broken. All her abilities reset on kills. You would build full ap, poke by throwing knife and walking up and using your w to do the spin and you could just e away at will. when they got a little low you would be able to qew really fast to finish them and if they died you could zip right out or combo someone else whos low. The ult was the blade spin and it also reset on kills. used to be a joke that her kit was just rolling your face on the keyboard, running around doing a qewr every 2 seconds.
So a little fun fact, Master Yi was actually the first champion to ever receive a rework. Originally his Q and ult were swapped, his W costed too much for too little heal, and his E just gave him a bunch of extra AD.
You'd think this sucked, but no. Because his Alpha Strike R had a 400% AD Scaling and could crit. Basically if you stacked IEs on him you'd deal 2.8k per hit.
oh respect for the fact bro!
The old league has that feeling of World of Warcraft gameplay (aka the inspiration) most of the champion is stat stick and focused on the auto attack more than using the ability. And for ability, they usually have random abilities put together which mostly enchant the user's auto attack or reflect that so-called "play style" of that champion (if they are not auto attacker or stat stick) sometimes it isn't even synergy with each other, but to be fair tho, the chaotic gameplay of chasing and hit your enemy to dead is pretty fun
I miss the old league
yeah it was pretty cookie cutter. Q = damage spell W = some sort of stat change E = CC
It's the same now.
Q=spell you spam on CD
W=steroid
E=ohshi- button
Ult=all in tool
huh? I don't think I've ever heard this opinion nor can I imagine what you mean by this. I guess I heard some boomer say something similar in the chronobreak discord, except they could only give me like 2 examples and they were complaining about modern league being this way? I understand dota 2 is like this, so I can understand it being true maybe in beta? At least as of season 1 this was not the case at all...
@@HighLanderPonyYT Sounds like you havent' played league in like 8 years. I remember this being a meme maybe 8 years ago.
@@DoggyP00idk, i feel that most champs have their abilities placed in similar places.
Q = spammable damage
W = escape tool / engage tool / movement tool / tank tool
E = CC / anti-CC / anti-damage
R = teamfight tool / 1v1 tool
ofc i can think of lots of counter examples, but in general this seems to be the default
Old poppy was the most busted sh*t ever 😂 Ult a enemy Janna and laugh at the enemy team while you repeatedly smash their carry’s face and they just stare 🗿
i remember lkmaooo
8:02 Old Tristana Q: Rapid Fire. Increased attack speed temporarily with no mana cost.
Her old W slowed her movement speed but increased her range. Kind of like Blitzcrank's self-slow.
10:02 Old Alistar passive was that he would do increased damage to towers, up to 80% from memory.
Yeah a couple people let me know what trists Q was, also youre right the alistar passive I was talking about was not the original, I messed up a bit because his OG OG passive was not short lived ahah
Tristana E was actually a point and click ability that dealt DOT and applied grevious wounds. I don’t remember it buffing her autos?
@@daedalus6993 Crack Shot or something wasn't it? You're right about the active but it also had a passive that would make executed minions explode dealing splash damage
Old malphite used to have double ad scaling on his w. Old crit malphite was insane hitting 1k autos at 2 items
HEY thanks for commenting! I'm pretty sure AD scaling still works on malph W no?
I remember building tiamat on him and killing enemy champions by hitting minions nearby.
@@lolsnowball_not last I played him, w is armor scaling now IIRC
Old Malphite plus old sword of the divine (3 autos get 100% crit at 100% attack speed) so you'd ult and use that and delete them while they were airborne :D
Man sees old Sion, man clicks the vid
I mained old Yorick, I main new Yorick... But still, I love the old Yorick more. I really wish they gave him back to me :(
The problem was old yorick is either broken or terrible :/
@@lolsnowball_ that's exactly why I love him
I really enjoyed the Video. Thanks Man
Crit runes gangplank was the wildest thing ever to have happened to League
haha
I still remember the patch Evelynn lost stun on Q and got it changed to a slow and from an absolute nightmare she became a meme pick to int games. In one patch and a small change she went from "oh my god they have Eve" to "oh my god WE have Eve".
wasnt it like, the biggest nerf ever?
Sivir actually had a few changes but they’re kinda spiritual successors… W either was a toggle or a single auto empower, and can’t bounce to the same target. E costed mana and refunded extra mana if a spell was blocked which was a large defining part of being “skilled” with her, and her R gave attack speed to allies. I think.
Yup! I should have mentioned her mid scope for sure, thanks brother
I've never felt so old... is that not how her e and r still work?
@@ZWizzle Her E no longer costs mana, but still refunds it.
@@ZWizzle the E gives health now, and R doesn’t give attack speed to allies or herself. Her attack speed buff is on her W instead. And yes I’ve just dated myself as an old man 👴
super awesome video. love this
thanks bro! the next one is a banger
I remember stacking 5 sunfire capes on evelynn and staying stealth near enemies and watching their health continue to decline. If they weren’t a champion with some form of skillshot or AOE, there was nothing they could do but run towards their team/turret absent some form of stealth reveal.
thats nuts lmao
Tryndamere wasn't the exact same as before, though really similar lol. He used to not have a Fury Bar, his extra crit chance was based on how low his HP was, aaand the biggest thing was his crit damage. He used to get extra crit damage, just like Infinity Edge, depending on Q's level I think and it stacked with Infinity Edge too.
Legit the craziest crits you could ever get besides Jhin. I miss old Tryn honestly
thats nuts
I remember criting 900+ and just 2 hits full item ashe
Tristan Q (old) was an attack speed boost
Amazing video, really enjoyable compilation. Many of them weren't really the original versions of the champions though, but close enough. ♥
Can't forget in the earlier days twitch and eve had true invisibility vs the stealth we have today. Invis used to mean you could walk up to an enemy and not be revealed
Heimers old passive didn't just repair his little turrets but also towers.
I missed a lot of cool info about old heim
I think it is worth mentioning that the dodge chance yi and jax got worked on fountain laser. There was no safe haven
yeah i def couldve mentioned how it worked on turrets!
WAIT. fountain? you could dodge fountain laser??
@@shieldgenerator7 turrets too basically anything that could do damage
YESSSSS THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS VIDEO MADE MY DAY
thanks for watching bro!
Back then like in 2010, there was a rumor that if you use your E (When playing Ashe), if you use it on enemy Swain and hit around him, you can steal his bird. XD
lmao shi like that is what i miss
Nasus mains coping and seething at the 1.5 second cameo. Old trynd and sivir splash arts look melted 😭
HAHAH, tryns arms are so tiny for what
Been playing off and on since season 1 (late 2010) myself, with most of my time spent from 2010-2016, pretty solid video but you missed a few points on certain champs.
Morgana's old passive used to give her spellvamp, that IIRC scaled with her level, her damaging abilities also had built in spellvamp against EVERYTHING, not just champions, full spellvamp Morg was pretty much unkillable back then, since all you needed to do was puddle a creep wave to full heal.
OG ryze's abilities used to scale off maximum mana, and are a big reason so many items got unique passives in season 3, Tear of the Goddess/Archangel's Staff used to stack, and you only needed to farm 1 copy, every additional tear you bought came in fully stacked out of the shop and added an additional 1000 mana for a complete AA and 3% of your max mana as AP, you could hit 2000+ AP on most mages with 5AA and Deathcap back then
Singed fling used to have a 1:1 AP ratio, and could point and click 100-0 squishy champs if you built full AP; Karthus could also 1-shot squishies on their well at full build with his ult
Soraka had literally infinite sustain, since she could self heal, and give herself mana, she only needed to leave lane to shop
Alistar's extremely short lived original passive was bonus damage to turrets XD
Full lifesteal Sion could 1 v 5 on the enemy well with his ult and survive back in S1/S2, especially if he'd stacked enough health
Mundo rework really only kept the cleaver and the ult, and part of his passive, W used to be an AOE that you could toggle on to drain HP, gain tenacity, and deal magic damage around you, E powered up your next auto attack and gave you stacking MR whenever you took magic damage or paid for an ability with HP
Riot's taken away almost all, non-ultimate point and click hard CC from the early days
I really appreciate the compliment, and all of the info! Also yeah, a lot of the mobility creep has been halted, and idk how I feel about that considering all the mobility in the game at this point. We need more point and click imo!
GREAT VIDEO HELL YA
thanks
YO THIS IS SOO FREAKING GOOD!! GOOD SHIT SNOWBALL
thanks!
@5:00 you missed a teemo fact. The poison damage used to stack WAYYYY differently. Not its just a flat damage per second, it used to stack up beyond that.
Oh really? Thanks for pointing that out dude, I saw your name and I thought for a split sec you mentioned nocturne and I was like "no way I forgot an entire champ 💀"
Other corrections I haven’t seen in the comments so far:
Soraka Q also added a stacking MR shred, up to like 5 stacks of some amount, usually they just die if your hitting q at max stacks twice - correction, 20 stacks
Malphite W used to just be an auto attack empower
Blitz ult would randomly strike on a set interval, now we have the auto targeting thing
Cho E used to be a toggled ability and I think the damage was different (no %?)
Taric passive was… mana on every auto I think?
Someone mentioned malphite, thats interesting about raka, thanks again
Er they added an AOE splash to it too not just the reset
thought it was up to 10 on the mr sheard of raka
Soraka Q once shredded magic resist up to 20 stacks. I remember soloing drake as her using the Q MR shred to set its magic resistance to NEGATIVE 120.
Q spam soraka top to shit on lowbies. literally unavoidable if you stood in her range.
damn what a time that was back then haha
Great Video! I dont know if intentional or not but you left out the part that AP YI and AP Sion were played a lot and were really good !
thanks a lot! i did know those things but left them out because if i included like, scalings and stuff the vid wouldve been too tedious to make
"Many of the players who started in the modern game, will be surprised by what the game used to be like." It used to be fun, but then season 4 happened.
what iddntu like ab season 4
Originally Katarinas w made her next q or e gain an additional effect. If my memmory is correct then q got no dmg drop of for each bonce (cuz it used to have that) and e gave her dmg reduction for like 1 sec. The w spin that u mention (now her dagger pickup) was after her first "mini rework"
Oh really? interesting! thanks for letting me know, there are some things that are near impossible to research so a good amount of character traits are only memorable to people who played them during those time
@@lolsnowball_ found some info when I searched for it now. Was named killer instinct. Made her q do full dmg to all targets and aply 60% grevious wounds and her e to give up to 35% dmg reduction for 3 sec. And what i forgot is that it aparently passively gave her on hit magic dmg on autos and abilitys based on rank
It got changed to her spin attack with her first rework 2012. And thats when they released her champion spotlight aswell
@@FtwGrickeyFtw wow lol grievous wounds on basic ability
@@lolsnowball_ yeah. Looking back at it it was a loaded ability for its time with the versetility in what choice u chose with it. But I remember that every one thoght it did nothing cuz the damage reduction and healing cut dident "feel" strong
Old Warwick and Fiddlesticks used to be so busted. As Warwick all you had to do was take blue, steal red, and take dragon as it spawned which was like 3-4 mins in which would put u at lvl 6 and then start ganking. And then fiddlesticks e was a nuke that bounced and silenced
middlesticks
I love how resilient Nasus' design is. He's pretty much always been relevant in solo, and has one of the must unchanged kits in league.
No one ever mentions original poppy. The goat.
such an op ult
Me, eager to hear about my main, beautiful big boi chode'gath
"Finally we have cho'gath"
YES
"Who is still the same character."
oh...
HAHAHAH one thing ab cho is that he could only stack a max of 6 ult stacks at the beginning, forgot to mention that! but in my next vid, cho gath has his own little section :)
Old taric was a meme. Jem was an old TV show from years ago and one of his voice lines quoted the opening of the show. I don't remember who, but it was a riot staff employee's joke.
haha
Old graphics were far superior
Amazed how you managed to miss changes on almost every champion.
im also amazed that your eyes managed to glaze past my pinned comment 💀cant wait for your vid on this topic tho!
@@lolsnowball_ I saw the comment. Still amazed! :^)
DO NOT REWORK MORGANA PLEASE, SHE IS PERFECT AS IS
she is far from perfect my friend
Uhh why are you telling this to the content creator?
@@NasusGamerrioters watch content too
Sounds like what doomfist players woulda been saying if they had a heads up for the rework PoroSad
God I miss old Soraka. What a wild top laner, and the only way urgot could see play in the bot lane
i remember that
Irelia was reworked too. Her Q was still the point and click dash, but her W was life steal and her ult was 3 ranged daggers
yup she was, not one of the og 40 champs tho
5:40 Annie has changed!! Her shield now throw back damage even on abilities and gives move speed. I'm pretty sure it couldn't be casted on allies back then.
Also you can now see her stacks for the stun. And she gets the stun up on respown.
i wish if i could go back and do this vid again id have included details like this, honestly feel like the vid was rushed :/ thanks for commenting!
Sivir's spell shield used to give her mana instead of HP. Her bouncing blades is a toggle ability. As long as she has the mana for it, it can be used indefinitely.
remember the bug where it insta killed
Good old times! Dont forget super broken Mordekaiser ult and full AP master yi, money maker ashe / money maker gp, old Fiora ult and old Aatrox
Annie was slightly changed besides visual aspects. Tibbers used to die with Annie instead of enraged chase after Annie's killer, also her E granted incoming damage reduction and could be casted only on one target, now it gives shield and movement speed and is casted on Annie and pointed target.
And Nasus didn't have Q cd reduction during ult back then
u right!
Your taric missed original taric entirely. He had complete reworks.
OG taric was completely differrnt.
Passive: Gain mana on auto attack
Q: point and click to heal a single ally, and 40% to himself.
W: Passively grant him and nearby allies armor. On use deal decent damage to nearby enemies and reduce their armor but lose the passive armor buff.
E: point and click stun as second edition.
R: Completely different. Toggle large aoe ad buff and heal every second. Ramping mana cost the longer you ran it, with a short like 4 sec cd in between toggles.
Was a meme attack speed build that used the massive ad buff on his ult and the armor debuff on his w.
Couple big ones you missed, not going to talk about small things like Ashe E granting some gold on last hit, just big sweeping differences.
Sivir's old W used to be a toggle that would permanently let her auto attacks bounce at the cost of mana and not just a few attacks.
There was a point in Nunu's life where he got a rework that gave him passive buffs whenever he used Q on a neutral monster, I'll use modern monster names with brackets for the old monster names. Blue buff or Kruggs (Golems) he'd gain extra max health. If he ate Red buff, Dragon, Baron or Vilemaw (Baron for Twisted Treeline rework) he'd gain max health shred on auto attack and if he ate Raptors (Wraiths) or Wolves he'd gain movement speed for a shot while when he killed a minion or monster
Jax's E used to have like a 5 second cooldown but it could only be used within 4 seconds of dodging an attack.
Master Yi's activatable E used to be raw attack damage not true damage and while the ability was on cooldown he lost the passive attack damage from the ability. In addition his ultimate used to reset it's cooldown completely when he got a kill, not just extending it's duration.
Janna's passive used to be global, just for having Janna on your team you got a 5% movement speed buff and it wasn't only towards her, you just got 5% free unconditional movespeed.
Twitch used to have another ability instead of his current poison cask, Debilitating Poison which was another poison spender because whenever Twitch used one of his abilities he'd spend poison stacks on the target so Twitch would have to choose to get burst damage or a slow that expended his poison stacks.
Tristana's Q used to literally just be an attack speed Steroid.
You showcased Katarina's first rework, she had another version before that. Her 1st W was called Killer Instincts and it was a self buff that would empower her next ability. It made Q deal full damage to every single target it hit and apply Greivous Wounds and her E gave her damage reduction after teleporting. The Q also used to deal it's damage upfront, the rework put half the damage behind the mark so she'd have to actually hit the enemy to get the damage she used to have.
thanks a lot for the kind info brother
Can you please do a video about the second generation of Champions from League of Legends? For example Akali, Galio, Urgot, Yorick and many more? This video was very interesting and entertaining
thanks a lot! one day I might do a season 2 video haha but itd be super long fow show
what do you consider the 2nd generation to be? just champs from 2010 or also champs from 2011 to 2012?
I just remember people playing teemo on mid and a q would do half your health bar almost at the beginning of the game, imagine when he has items…
I like how you said his teleport used to be E but on the gameplay you showed, you can see it on the R and you can see him press it and start teleporting.
Mundo W use to be a toggle, His E worked different as well. He would gain AD based on missing health for multiple AA not just the big first smack it is now
I might be wrong, but i remember heimerdinger was able to put down more than 3 turrets... and minions were not able to go through them.. so heimer would build a wall mid lane and hold the minions there since the walls didnt have a cut like they do now... am i wrong? I cant find footage of this and i swear i remember hating heimerdinger because of this... i been playing since beta so maybe it wasnt released idk... please someone tell me they remember this!
yeah youre right brother
Old AP Soraka and Sona were such hidden beasts. Stacking up that magic resist shred with Soraka was such a shock to everyone. Her Q would suddenly hit like a truck then people would notice their MR was currently at like 10 haha. I just looked it up. It lowered their MR by 6 (+1% AP). So a raka with like 400 AP would lower MR by 10 every Q....whcih was only a 2.5 second cooldown without CDR. 1.5 seconds with CDR. That is so underestimated. Lowering a whole teams MR by MINIMUM 6 every 1.5 seconds would make drawn out teamfights (much more common in those days) seriously dangerous. Another example. Raka with 400 AP and CDR would lower the whole enemy teams MR by 100 in 15 seconds.
i remmeber thme
12:04 old GPs E also let you kill one of your minions which resulted in denying one minion to your lane opponent at least every 2 waves. I think on lvl 4 or 5 you could use it on every wave and it not just buffed you with extra dmg but also your allies and (not 100% sure) also buffed your other minions.
Btw very nice adventure down memory lane! Thank you for that! ♥
thanks for the extra bit, and im glad i could give u a blast to the past homie
One major detail with Teemo Evelynn and Twitch that you didn’t mention is that their stealth was absolute. There was no bubble. In other words they could be standing right on top of you and you wouldn’t even know it… damn I miss those days.
10:37 wasnt the old W of Katarina an enhancement ability for her Q?
maybe, i think i got katarinas kit a bit wrong
I still believe it's unecessary to change Anivia's E+R interaction. (Ult needs to be full size before it can buff her E). A lot of champs can Flash + pointclick burst enemies, with unfair cd/rotation, and they love creating hyper mobile champs. Riot is trully biased with assassins vs mages.
I remember my old league group would run team beef. Mordekaiser top, Lee Sin jungle, I was old Sion ADC with Nunu support. I can't remember the mid though. Once I got ult, I could solo the enemy team because we had bullied them all so bad that they would all be only lvl 4 maybe 5. Plus, we would all be so tanky that we'd never die. It was always good times when we could all get together and play.
i used to play old nunu full ap mid
There’s some misinformation here because Sivir’s old W was a toggle that could be permanently on as long as mana willing.
yup missed that for sure
Facts: Singed = Design thank me later
Tryndamere also had huge AP scaling on his E, which oddly only a single player noticed until someone posted on reddit, "Hey look at this full AP Tryndamere with a 75% win rate"
I bet thats a story that could be expanded upon! You gave me a cool idea :)
He still has 80% AP Ratio on E, which is down from the 100% it used to be.
Taric's first ultimate wasn't even the one you described, it was a toggle buff that would quickly heal his HP but quickly drain his mana. Basically Mundo's ultimate but with no cooldown and with a huge mana cost.
Knowing that there's kids that were not even born before the game came out and might be older than me when I played league for the first time is crazy
yeah it is
Nunu Q used to give unique buffs depending on what camp was chomped on, before modernized to being a straight size and health buff, was removed in the Nunu&Willump rework though!
it wasn't always like that, it was just around the map change, but yup!
Corki scales off of AP now, he used to be AD and his Q was the only one that would scale from AP
i more focused on kit stuff, thank you for the info though bro
Heimer's old turrets worked differently in some aspects. At some ranks, the turrets would upgrade and gain armor/magic resist shred or AoE on their attacks. The first iteration of the ability also had a turret cap of 6 at max rank, which sounds like it made pushes against a built up heimer a nightmare.
Yeah someone had mentioned this, definitely my bad for not including this, since it's pretty significant
From the couple of comments I've read, there hasnt been a mention of Poppy or Mordekaiser reworks. They were pretty massive overhauls. Poppy's old ult was always fun to use and Morde just became a new creature. I loved the old Morde.
Would be awesome if they brought out an event with OG models.
I feel so much nostalgia watching this video (I started playing 2 years ago)
i remember the good old days when league had a soul.. before mundos rework..
Arent you the bomba guy 🐧🐢❤🫂
Seeing people who were too young to play League when it launched make videos about early League and get so much information wrong warms my heart.
im glad i could give some happiness to your life man
If you noticed, Twitch's Q used to have stealth, not camouflage like Rengar's ultimate or Evelyn's passive, but stealth like Kha'Zix's ultimate or Shaco's Q. Where you won't be able to see until you're within his seeable range.
yea
This was back in the good old days
indeed brother
Imagine the next April fools event would be a temporary reset of league of legends to it's form back when it was released. That would be absolutely cool and original.
thatd be insane
forgot to mention GPs broken ability would kill your own minion giving you xp and denying the enemy xp or gp
thats nuts
With Soraka, you forgot to mention, that her old Q shredded MR on all Enemies it hit. Sorakas W gave Armor too and had a High CD 20 seconds early.
As A Soraka OTP in this time, I miss this Soraka so much.
The W gave a shit ton of Armor too, not just a lil bit, I vaguely remember it was around 100 if not more.
yes, I said exactly that :D@@ogdred4667
what would you change about morgana?
Forgot Old Mordekaiser. Using Dragon's As Raid bosses
that was old mordekaiser but not even the first version of him, that was his first rework
anivia q still slows targets it moves through, and her ult still gives bonus e damage but only when it's fully grown
5:05 One important Detail for Teemo.
His Q (Blinding Dart) used to apply his E (Toxic SHot). This might sound like a simple nerf. But nowadays, he have to stand still longer to Q AND Auto. Back then running to you Q and run away. Back then traiding was way easier for Teemo.
You forgot to mention that Veigar's old ult used to scale with the targets AP as well as yours, which made Veigar a great Anti-mage.
thats pretty hilarious
The old nunu was so fun to play full AP
Back in the day, you could use flash (summoner spell) to avoid point and click abilities. They just wouldnt follow you - except for ww’s ult, it was instant point and click, one of the most broken abilities to ever be seen in lol
wow LMAO