Before reaching Hades' palace, Orpheus encountered Cerberus, the three headed guard dog. He played his lyre so beautifully, Cerberus laid down and let him pass. This is where we get the expression "music soothed the savage beast".
I remember a work I did in School years ago where our teacher showed a part of this story (up to the death of Eurydice) and then asked us to continue the story however we wanted. I knew nothing about the myth besides the little text she gave us, but in my story, Orpheus has to fight a 3-headed bear, but he actually just plays a song to calm it down. I didn't know he actually encountered Cerberus in the story, I just took inspiration from a Gravity Falls episode lol
Something I've always thought was weird was how multiple Greek myths have characters casually entering the Underworld while they were still alive. Was there, like, a door to the Underworld somewhere?
Yes! As the kingdom of the dead was believed to lay deep beneath the earth, the Hellenes thought natural caves and such were entrances to the dread realm of mist and gloom.
Actually Makoto's STARTING Persona is Orpheus. His ultimate persona is Thanatos, the god of the dead, and is REAL ultimate persona is LITERALLY JESUS CHRIST.
@@KrimsonKattYTactually his ultimate persona is Orpheus Telos which you get by fusing Asura x Thanatos x Messiah x Chi You x Metatron x Helel and you must have maxed all social links
@@WEXgamers11actually his ultimate persona is most likely messiah and Orpheus Telos is just a cool bonus for completionists given multiple things, including it being what shows up for the assist at the end, like Izanagi-no-Okami and Satanael, and being the most thematically appropriate
I would guess that is not what Ovid means. Boys to him means young adults around the age 20, he uses the word a lot to refer to guys like Narcissus and even Orpheus. So Orpheus was enamored by man in his age (around twenty). Either way the greek version says that Orpheus rejected both males and females in favor of Apollo, the god of music.
@@sonofcronos7831 Nah my dude. I looked it up and Ovid's exact words are "ille etiam Thracum populis fuit auctor amorem in teneros transferre mares citraque iuventam aetatis breve ver et primos carpere flores." He explicitly mentions them being "on this side of adulthood" (citra iuventam aetatis), which means they are younger than 16. And I would even go as far as saying that "plucking the first flower" (primos carpere flores) of their "brief spring" (breve ver) carries the same connotations as "deflowering" someone, i.e. "popping their cherry", i.e. taking their virginity. But this is Ovid, so he could just be projecting.
The version I know is that Orpheus loved his wife so much that he didn't wait to cross onto the living world, then his wife wasn't mad at him, she was happy realizing that Orpheus loved her so much.
“Winters high and summers o’re hear that high and lonesome sound that’s my husband coming forth to bring me home,to hadestown way down hadestown way down under the ground”
@@Pollicina_db Phoebus is a greek name. It means the Shining, and is used everywhere by greeks. Apollo is the name of the god to greek and romans, with his most know epithet being Phoebus Apollo to both greeks and romans.
"Thou art I, and I am thou From the sea of thy soul, I come forth I am Orpheus, master of strings" *explodes into Thanatos* Easily one of the most iconic scenes from Greek Mythology.
I remember playing this Flash game called "Don't look back" that was actually a retelling of this story. It starts off with the character looking at a grave before going through numerous challenges and boss fights. At the end a ghost like character appears and follows behind you. You now have to replay all the levels again, only backwards and you can't turn around. Once you make it back to the grave site, there is a clone of you looking at the grave. He turns around and both you and the ghost disappear only for the game to restart.
This reminds me of a segment that Red from OSP had done when talking about Zeus. They specified that they chose to omit the overwhelming amount of rape that Zeus did because once you talk about it, it sort of overshadows EVERYTHING ELSE. I knew the general story of Orpheus before but didn't know the whole pedophile part, and that sort of overshadows everything else you may have learned about him.
Ovid is roman. The greek writers specifically liked to say that Orpheus rejected the love of everyone in praise to Apollo the god of music, and his rejection of the Dionysian cult lead to his death. Damm i can not believed that Jake has now created this stupid and bad interpretation of Orpheus history because of Ovid.
@@sonofcronos7831 To be fair... some parts of history can be interpreted many ways. And considering that we're somewhat talking about a mixture of Greek and Roman deities, it's a little hard to not get the usual things mixed up. Now I'm not saying this is a bad interpretation, if anything this is actually... an understandable interpretation in my eyes I mean look at a lot of ancient history and you find... yeah a lot of it is pretty fucked up, so this detail is not too hard to believe really. You've got a right to be annoyed about the inaccuracy but hey, nobody is perfect. In the end, I like how people look at some mythology and interpret aspects about it. I'd dare say some people make things better with their interpretations (Look at the Heroic version of Zeus and TELL ME that's the version that sucks compared to the one usually in Greek Mythology)
@@TheDracoStar things can be interpreted in different ways, but it cannot be intepreted in any way someone wants or in, well, a wrong way. This is why exists scholars and academics, forensics studies and what not. I am not saying here that someone needs to be a scholar to make their own opinions, but if one wants to propagate some information, then it needs to be done with responsability. And the worst takes are the ones someone makes from Ovid. Like, because people makes superficial readings of his stories, they believe all ancient gods to be gruesome and evil, when this is not the way the ancient societies view them. Everything needs to be put in context. And this one is specially harmful, since it damage orpheus story reputation with a thing that is not even intended by the author of the history. Is just like the Aracne story. Minerva is portrayd bad in that story off course because Ovid has his reasons, however Minerva saves Aracne life by turning her in a spider by the end so that her work should not be lost by her suicid3. But other adaptions of that story made in the modern day portrays Minerva as a evil goddess who punishes Aracne by turning her in the spider just because yes. And a lot of people will go around saying "why is Minerva/Athena the goddess of wisdom if she was so dumb and jealous?" when people should read the original version, not the modern rendition (and even them, Aracne is a Ovid history, thus should be read in the context of Ovid, not in the context of greeks and romans). About Zeus i dont understanding what you mean. Zeus was the heroice god of the greeks off course, but not all greeks acepted Zeus histories, they called them lies and deceptions because they portrayed their god in a harmful way. So this clear show that they were not ignoring that stories, but explicitly saying they were bad. In the modern day no one never has portreyd Zeus heroically. The only exception is Disney Zeus, but look at Zeus in God of War, Percy Jackson, Thor 4 and others, he is either a douche, or evil, or lazy. Red from OSP said that she herself ignores the bad stuff in her videos because they are light hearted, not that the entire world ignores the bad things Zeus has done. Orpheus is one of the most heroic and sad characters in greek mythology, what Jake has done to him here by misreading a word is discusting.
@@sonofcronos7831 I'm no expert, but I think you misinterpreted this actually. Ovid used the term "boys" to describe Orpheus' partners in a specific context. The exact words from Ovid (Jake showed this in the video at that part) was, besides Orpheus "turning for love to immature males," Orpheus "pluck[ed] the flower of a boy's brief spring before he has come to his manhood." That pretty clearly reads to me that he was into teenage boys in puberty (ages 11-15), as spring is often associated with puberty ("blooming"). It's fine you like Orpheus and his tale, but you must acknowledge this point is pretty clear-cut. Also, describing a character from Greek myth as heroic is always a bit dicey because the idea of heroes we have now tends more toward paragons, while the ancient Greeks favored heroes being defined as more flawed but are a main character of their myth as a result of circumstance (what great feats they did, particular skills like Orpheus here, etc.). It often doesn't reflect on their character as we might expect a modern hero to be.
@@eliu868 i now exactly what a greek hero is. Is not that they are flawed, is that they pursue greatness, good deeds could be that pursuit or could be the a unintend result of that pursuit. In the case of Orpheus, his pursuit of greatness was to literaly travel to the world of the dead. Even modern heroes are flawed, is not that what i am saying about heroism. Either way, Jake could also show the greek version, who come out first, where Orpheys rejected the love of everyone in favor of Apollo. This is what infuriates me, because people only uses Ovid version to speak for the entirety of greek and roman mythology. Jake could show both versions, but instead only used Ovid, and could probably lead to misunderstanding to people out there, just like they have with Minerva in the story of Aracne and Medusa in Ovid too.
Well done on the video today Jake! I actually head a different version of this story. Instead or Orpheus getting the feeling the Eurydice was no longer behind him, he turns around triumphantly in the world of the living believing that Eurydice had crossed the threshold behind him, when she had yet to do so. Causing her to be taken back into the underworld. It isn't a major difference, but the injustice is what makes it a better tragedy.
I love this story (not the ped0 part, I had no idea) because in any version when Orpheus turned for Eurydice it was always out of love and overwhelming devotion to her. It makes in even sweeter because the ending is that they roam the edges of river Styx and sometimes Eurydice goes first, or both together, or even Orpheus but now he has no fear of losing her. He'll even when he looked back, Eurydice wasn't mad because how could you be upset, with simply being loved?
the stuff I translated in my latin class was different too. he couldnt hear her footsteps and thought hades tricked him so he turnes around to check and after he realised he lost her forever he stopped playing his instrument and his fan girls then killed him. he got beheaded by them (with bare hands) and his head was floating in a river and was still singing sad songs for three days
@@naito4820 I also heard the "decapitated-head-in-a-river" part. For our music/Theatre class we had to reenact an ancient play and our group had that version (We didn't do the ending though, since I've already traumatised my classmates with enough greek mythology facts)
2:52 "Orpheus even started the practice among the Thracian tribes of turning for love to immature males _and of plucking the flower of a boy's brief spring before he has come to his manhood_ ." *What in the actual underworld did I just read...*
can't believe we have to cancel Orpheus smdh my head (or maybe we have to cancel Ovid since he seems to be the only one to add that particular twist, and there's kind of a pattern of Ovid-only additions to myths usually being gross as hell)
@Clint Although some people are inclined to believe that Ovidius straight-up _made up_ many of the myths featured in his _Metamorphoses,_ we in fact know that he used pre-existing Greek sources that, of course, did not survive. One of these sources was a previous work which was, confusingly, also titled _Metamorphoses,_ compiled by the Hellenistic poet Nikandros.
Interesting. Most retellings of this story I've heard have him looking back because he was worried Hades had tricked him, which I always thought was rather foolish, since looking back now versus once they're safely back in the mortal world doesn't make much difference. Worrying that she somehow got separated from him and was lost makes more sense.
Actually I think the underworld is kinda supposed to be a hard place to get into if your not dead, orpheus cant look back after getting back to the surface because than if she's not there he can't go back for her, wich is why he looks back before reaching the surface. Also I think it's supposed to show Hades in exactly an easy god to trust because of his position.
I belive the 'tricked' idea comes from the musical hadestown which is an adaption of the myth correct me if I'm wrong its just kinda in my brain since I watched it recently
@@Lynxstar_980 it might be in ther, but I very much doubt that idea originated there. I think the idea was to show that God's like Hades are scary and therefor hard to trust.
Theres a version of a story where Orpheus actually did make it to the surface and turned around only to realize that his wife hadn't quite made it up and was taken back to the underworld
I teach a poem by a Canadian poet called "The Myth of Orpheus" in my introductory university lit course and always tried my best to explain the actual myth of Orpheus and Eurydice. Thanks Mr. Jake for providing this valuable resource for me and me alone. And everyone else too I guess.
In all honesty, I would love to see a video on Jake's thoughts on the various interpretations of Mythological figures. I know that'd be asking a lot buuutttt... I think it'd be interesting seeing him sit down, review, and see what versions are his favorites not based on accuracy but based on how cool they are.
In the version of Orpheus's story I read while growing up, rather than having him turn around because he was afraid Eurydice no longer followed him, he successfully passed through the threshold of the Underworld before he turned to look- but as Eurydice herself had not yet passed the threshold, she disappeared when he did.
@Jake Doubleyoo I appreciate the little detail of *Dīs Pater* having significantly more bling on him than Aïdoneus (i.e, his golden, jewel-encrusted crown) bcuz his name (Dis was a contraction of the Latin _dives,_ literally “riches”) literally means “Father of riches, [the] Rich Father”, or more humorously, *'Daddy Rich'.* 😂
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS STORY FOR SO LONG! This is my favorite Greek myth story to tell or listen too. Thank you Jake! Side note very unaware of the underage boy part…
So, since Dis Pater and Proserpina look different from their Greek versions, how different would Jupiter or Neptune look? Oh and btw I love your channel- you're one of my main sources for mythology and you've taught me a lot!
My favorite telling of the myth is orpheus being so depressed, his music actually stops life from happening, i.e. food growing, children gestating, people being happy and eating and the solution they come up with is just drowning the guy.
Japanese mythology has the same story about the two first creation gods that manifested and created the islands of Japan. Which is very interesting considering Japan is on the other side of the world apart from Greece. I mean ancient Greece. In the Japanese story, he was told not to turn around by his own wife. But he was just so lonely and heartbroken that he needed to see his wife one time, but he realized that she was a rotten corpse. Which freaked him out so he ran away from her, and she chased after him, cursing him while he blocked the cave to the underworld with a huge boulder.. it’s a story that explains why there are certain amount of people born, and a certain amount of people die every day.
1:17 Which is highly suspicious. Viper bites might be fatal, and Greece apparently does have more dangerous vipers than Czech Republic does, but even then, not instantly fatal.
Genesis continued please. Of course any mythos you touch on is appreciated and respected because you are fucking amazing at your job. But personally I am hungry for that in particular
Hmm, something about this myth reminds me of another, very similar myth. Izanagi and Izanami. VERY similar, though luckily Izanagi didn't go through a pedophile phase. (I hope...)
Hey Jake, I hope its no bother but I had an idea that you make a video that talks about menoetius(the titan, not the father of patroclus) and his whole history
“For rejecting the love of women…” I’m sure that’s exactly why those women beat his ass. It was THAT part of his “romantic choices” that they took issue with. I’m sure that’s the story he told because “got run out of town and beaten to a pulp for making creepy advances on boys in that town” just didn’t sound as… artistic.. as he wanted.
You forgot to mention that Orpheus is angsty song he kept on playing for the local wildlife was so sad that it caused women to miscarry, crops to wither and everything else in between to be plagued by depression and nightmares
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I kind of like the remodel on Hades into Dis Pater (Pluto?). It's just kind of how religions with many different cultures end up renaming the same entity and giving them different traits or when they try to explain another polytheist group like the Egyptians with Osiris. You could make a whole committee of the gods of the underworld and why trying to lump every culture into one doesn't actually work outside of fiction.
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The detail that Orpheus becomes more Emo looking after Eurydice dies is kind of genius
@Cool why do i read this with that british tiktok voice
@@agumon1605 LMAOO
Also he looks like Persona 3 Protagonist and the funny thing is that Orpheus is his main summon
@@TaureanHeart I think that’s the reference
Orpheus: I dont care
Before reaching Hades' palace, Orpheus encountered Cerberus, the three headed guard dog. He played his lyre so beautifully, Cerberus laid down and let him pass. This is where we get the expression "music soothed the savage beast".
does this has anything to do with the three headed dog from Harry potter?
The author (I refuse to say her name) probably took inspiration from Greek myths.
@@jamessirot854 i guess so two!
@@jamessirot854considering all the creatures in that world, definitely did.
I remember a work I did in School years ago where our teacher showed a part of this story (up to the death of Eurydice) and then asked us to continue the story however we wanted. I knew nothing about the myth besides the little text she gave us, but in my story, Orpheus has to fight a 3-headed bear, but he actually just plays a song to calm it down. I didn't know he actually encountered Cerberus in the story, I just took inspiration from a Gravity Falls episode lol
Whoo new Greek mythology lore
Wake up new Greek mythology lore just dropped
Roman Mythology Greeks didn't believe in Ortheos. Greeks believed Hade's and Persephone's other stories as their religion
@@covenawhite4855 that's some funny words too bad I can't understand them
@@covenawhite4855:49 he directly quotes greek people talking about orpheus
Ah yes, new ;)
Something I've always thought was weird was how multiple Greek myths have characters casually entering the Underworld while they were still alive. Was there, like, a door to the Underworld somewhere?
Yes! As the kingdom of the dead was believed to lay deep beneath the earth, the Hellenes thought natural caves and such were entrances to the dread realm of mist and gloom.
@@Boss_Isaac Oh, that's really interesting,
Kinda, it's not supposed to be easy to get into though, with cerberus guarding the entrance and everything.
@@supercjm3306easy to go into, not so much to leave. The thing is that they considered the underworld as a physical place, not an ethereal plane.
It actually seems like they were multiple like one out of 17 caves just kind of lead there
I love how you drew sad Orpheus very similar to the protag of Persona 3 (probably nonintentionally) because his ultimate persona is Orpheus
Actually Makoto's STARTING Persona is Orpheus. His ultimate persona is Thanatos, the god of the dead, and is REAL ultimate persona is LITERALLY JESUS CHRIST.
Rwby color scheme lookin ass Orpheus
@@KrimsonKattYTactually his ultimate persona is Orpheus Telos which you get by fusing Asura x Thanatos x Messiah x Chi You x Metatron x Helel and you must have maxed all social links
@@WEXgamers11actually his ultimate persona is most likely messiah and Orpheus Telos is just a cool bonus for completionists given multiple things, including it being what shows up for the assist at the end, like Izanagi-no-Okami and Satanael, and being the most thematically appropriate
Good to see another Persona fan in the wild
I knew most of this stuff so I was just silently watching until I loudly screamed "WHAT" when hearing about Orpheus dating boys..
I would guess that is not what Ovid means. Boys to him means young adults around the age 20, he uses the word a lot to refer to guys like Narcissus and even Orpheus. So Orpheus was enamored by man in his age (around twenty). Either way the greek version says that Orpheus rejected both males and females in favor of Apollo, the god of music.
@@sonofcronos7831 Nah my dude. I looked it up and Ovid's exact words are "ille etiam Thracum populis fuit auctor amorem in teneros transferre mares citraque iuventam aetatis breve ver et primos carpere flores." He explicitly mentions them being "on this side of adulthood" (citra iuventam aetatis), which means they are younger than 16. And I would even go as far as saying that "plucking the first flower" (primos carpere flores) of their "brief spring" (breve ver) carries the same connotations as "deflowering" someone, i.e. "popping their cherry", i.e. taking their virginity.
But this is Ovid, so he could just be projecting.
@@SLiV9 funny how Ovid is always ruining stories. Like that origin story of Medusa, or Atlas turning into stone, and now this!
The version I know is that Orpheus loved his wife so much that he didn't wait to cross onto the living world, then his wife wasn't mad at him, she was happy realizing that Orpheus loved her so much.
Love really does make you stupid
@@Starii_64 yup
Izanami would never
“Way down hadestown way down under the ground”
“Hound dog howl and the whistle blow. Train come a-rollin, clickety-clack Everybody tryin' to get a ticket to go
Those who go they don't come back”
They going way down, Hadestown, way down under the ground
“Winters high and summers o’re hear that high and lonesome sound that’s my husband coming forth to bring me home,to hadestown way down hadestown way down under the ground”
Orpheus looking like Makoto Yuki is hilarious
I'm curious if Apollo would be given a Roman redesign since he was still considered Apollo to almost all the Romans
He was also called Phoebus and while I read Ovid sometimes he was called that or Apollo, it really confused me at the start
@@Pollicina_db Phoebus is a greek name. It means the Shining, and is used everywhere by greeks. Apollo is the name of the god to greek and romans, with his most know epithet being Phoebus Apollo to both greeks and romans.
@Thumbellina_db I think Phoebus is just one of his epithets like Athena would be called Parthenos, meaning the virgin
@@sonofcronos7831 Aha, I knew that it was his epithet, but not that it was also of greek origin, thanks for the info
@@sonofcronos7831 Bacchus is a greek name too
"Thou art I, and I am thou
From the sea of thy soul, I come forth
I am Orpheus, master of strings"
*explodes into Thanatos*
Easily one of the most iconic scenes from Greek Mythology.
I remember playing this Flash game called "Don't look back" that was actually a retelling of this story. It starts off with the character looking at a grave before going through numerous challenges and boss fights. At the end a ghost like character appears and follows behind you. You now have to replay all the levels again, only backwards and you can't turn around. Once you make it back to the grave site, there is a clone of you looking at the grave. He turns around and both you and the ghost disappear only for the game to restart.
I remember playing a flash game based on Orpheus called "Orpheus the Lyrical" and it's exactly like what you described but in 2d pixel graphics
I played that game a fair bit too. It was a tricky one, never could fully get the hang of the platforming in that game.
Orpheus be like: I swear it wasn't me that turned into a p*do, it was my evil twin!
*Days of our Immortal Lives' theme song intensifies*
This reminds me of a segment that Red from OSP had done when talking about Zeus. They specified that they chose to omit the overwhelming amount of rape that Zeus did because once you talk about it, it sort of overshadows EVERYTHING ELSE. I knew the general story of Orpheus before but didn't know the whole pedophile part, and that sort of overshadows everything else you may have learned about him.
Ovid is roman. The greek writers specifically liked to say that Orpheus rejected the love of everyone in praise to Apollo the god of music, and his rejection of the Dionysian cult lead to his death. Damm i can not believed that Jake has now created this stupid and bad interpretation of Orpheus history because of Ovid.
@@sonofcronos7831 To be fair... some parts of history can be interpreted many ways. And considering that we're somewhat talking about a mixture of Greek and Roman deities, it's a little hard to not get the usual things mixed up. Now I'm not saying this is a bad interpretation, if anything this is actually... an understandable interpretation in my eyes
I mean look at a lot of ancient history and you find... yeah a lot of it is pretty fucked up, so this detail is not too hard to believe really. You've got a right to be annoyed about the inaccuracy but hey, nobody is perfect. In the end, I like how people look at some mythology and interpret aspects about it. I'd dare say some people make things better with their interpretations (Look at the Heroic version of Zeus and TELL ME that's the version that sucks compared to the one usually in Greek Mythology)
@@TheDracoStar things can be interpreted in different ways, but it cannot be intepreted in any way someone wants or in, well, a wrong way. This is why exists scholars and academics, forensics studies and what not. I am not saying here that someone needs to be a scholar to make their own opinions, but if one wants to propagate some information, then it needs to be done with responsability. And the worst takes are the ones someone makes from Ovid. Like, because people makes superficial readings of his stories, they believe all ancient gods to be gruesome and evil, when this is not the way the ancient societies view them. Everything needs to be put in context. And this one is specially harmful, since it damage orpheus story reputation with a thing that is not even intended by the author of the history.
Is just like the Aracne story. Minerva is portrayd bad in that story off course because Ovid has his reasons, however Minerva saves Aracne life by turning her in a spider by the end so that her work should not be lost by her suicid3. But other adaptions of that story made in the modern day portrays Minerva as a evil goddess who punishes Aracne by turning her in the spider just because yes. And a lot of people will go around saying "why is Minerva/Athena the goddess of wisdom if she was so dumb and jealous?" when people should read the original version, not the modern rendition (and even them, Aracne is a Ovid history, thus should be read in the context of Ovid, not in the context of greeks and romans).
About Zeus i dont understanding what you mean. Zeus was the heroice god of the greeks off course, but not all greeks acepted Zeus histories, they called them lies and deceptions because they portrayed their god in a harmful way. So this clear show that they were not ignoring that stories, but explicitly saying they were bad. In the modern day no one never has portreyd Zeus heroically. The only exception is Disney Zeus, but look at Zeus in God of War, Percy Jackson, Thor 4 and others, he is either a douche, or evil, or lazy. Red from OSP said that she herself ignores the bad stuff in her videos because they are light hearted, not that the entire world ignores the bad things Zeus has done. Orpheus is one of the most heroic and sad characters in greek mythology, what Jake has done to him here by misreading a word is discusting.
@@sonofcronos7831 I'm no expert, but I think you misinterpreted this actually. Ovid used the term "boys" to describe Orpheus' partners in a specific context. The exact words from Ovid (Jake showed this in the video at that part) was, besides Orpheus "turning for love to immature males," Orpheus "pluck[ed] the flower of a boy's brief spring before he has come to his manhood." That pretty clearly reads to me that he was into teenage boys in puberty (ages 11-15), as spring is often associated with puberty ("blooming"). It's fine you like Orpheus and his tale, but you must acknowledge this point is pretty clear-cut. Also, describing a character from Greek myth as heroic is always a bit dicey because the idea of heroes we have now tends more toward paragons, while the ancient Greeks favored heroes being defined as more flawed but are a main character of their myth as a result of circumstance (what great feats they did, particular skills like Orpheus here, etc.). It often doesn't reflect on their character as we might expect a modern hero to be.
@@eliu868 i now exactly what a greek hero is. Is not that they are flawed, is that they pursue greatness, good deeds could be that pursuit or could be the a unintend result of that pursuit. In the case of Orpheus, his pursuit of greatness was to literaly travel to the world of the dead. Even modern heroes are flawed, is not that what i am saying about heroism.
Either way, Jake could also show the greek version, who come out first, where Orpheys rejected the love of everyone in favor of Apollo. This is what infuriates me, because people only uses Ovid version to speak for the entirety of greek and roman mythology. Jake could show both versions, but instead only used Ovid, and could probably lead to misunderstanding to people out there, just like they have with Minerva in the story of Aracne and Medusa in Ovid too.
Well done on the video today Jake!
I actually head a different version of this story.
Instead or Orpheus getting the feeling the Eurydice was no longer behind him, he turns around triumphantly in the world of the living believing that Eurydice had crossed the threshold behind him, when she had yet to do so. Causing her to be taken back into the underworld.
It isn't a major difference, but the injustice is what makes it a better tragedy.
I heard a version in which she tripped just as they were about to exit and Orpheus turned around to catch her
I love this story (not the ped0 part, I had no idea) because in any version when Orpheus turned for Eurydice it was always out of love and overwhelming devotion to her. It makes in even sweeter because the ending is that they roam the edges of river Styx and sometimes Eurydice goes first, or both together, or even Orpheus but now he has no fear of losing her.
He'll even when he looked back, Eurydice wasn't mad because how could you be upset, with simply being loved?
the stuff I translated in my latin class was different too. he couldnt hear her footsteps and thought hades tricked him so he turnes around to check and after he realised he lost her forever he stopped playing his instrument and his fan girls then killed him. he got beheaded by them (with bare hands) and his head was floating in a river and was still singing sad songs for three days
@@naito4820 I also heard the "decapitated-head-in-a-river" part.
For our music/Theatre class we had to reenact an ancient play and our group had that version
(We didn't do the ending though, since I've already traumatised my classmates with enough greek mythology facts)
@@LivesInHerBooks im also constantly traumatising my class with norse, egypt and greek mythology.
You are verry good at explaining mythology in a fun way
As Hadestown is just this with music, I wanted to share a funny insight my friend had during That One Scene.
“Did… did he just unionize hell?”
I literally just saw Hadestown last week (the musical about Orpheus and Eurydice) so this is pretty cool
hadestown is literally one of my fav musicals
dude hadestown was the first musical I ever saw it's so awesome!
@@david.lat0721Oh my gods I love Hadestown!
I love it so much I always cry at the end
Can't wait for Achilles or Trojan War video
And yes, pls do Jason's adventure with the Argonauts
2:52 "Orpheus even started the practice among the Thracian tribes of turning for love to immature males _and of plucking the flower of a boy's brief spring before he has come to his manhood_ ."
*What in the actual underworld did I just read...*
can't believe we have to cancel Orpheus smdh my head (or maybe we have to cancel Ovid since he seems to be the only one to add that particular twist, and there's kind of a pattern of Ovid-only additions to myths usually being gross as hell)
@Clint Jake at least point out that it was Ovid. Still, he could have talked about the greek versions where none of that cr4p is mentioned.
@Clint
Although some people are inclined to believe that Ovidius straight-up _made up_ many of the myths featured in his _Metamorphoses,_ we in fact know that he used pre-existing Greek sources that, of course, did not survive. One of these sources was a previous work which was, confusingly, also titled _Metamorphoses,_ compiled by the Hellenistic poet Nikandros.
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@@Boss_IsaacOvid does have the nasty habit of changing huge parts of the story though and not exactly staying true to the source material.
Ovid was Roman, Romans loved calling Greeks "boy lovers" any chance they could get
Interesting. Most retellings of this story I've heard have him looking back because he was worried Hades had tricked him, which I always thought was rather foolish, since looking back now versus once they're safely back in the mortal world doesn't make much difference. Worrying that she somehow got separated from him and was lost makes more sense.
i like both ways but personally i just think that he had an over rush of all his doubts that he couldn’t bare it and just had to check
Actually I think the underworld is kinda supposed to be a hard place to get into if your not dead, orpheus cant look back after getting back to the surface because than if she's not there he can't go back for her, wich is why he looks back before reaching the surface. Also I think it's supposed to show Hades in exactly an easy god to trust because of his position.
I belive the 'tricked' idea comes from the musical hadestown which is an adaption of the myth correct me if I'm wrong its just kinda in my brain since I watched it recently
@@Lynxstar_980 it might be in ther, but I very much doubt that idea originated there. I think the idea was to show that God's like Hades are scary and therefor hard to trust.
And now his story is told in one of the best musicals ever…
Singing lalalalalalalaaaaaaa
Theres a version of a story where Orpheus actually did make it to the surface and turned around only to realize that his wife hadn't quite made it up and was taken back to the underworld
Orpheus had one job throughout the exit. One.
I teach a poem by a Canadian poet called "The Myth of Orpheus" in my introductory university lit course and always tried my best to explain the actual myth of Orpheus and Eurydice. Thanks Mr. Jake for providing this valuable resource for me and me alone. And everyone else too I guess.
In all honesty, I would love to see a video on Jake's thoughts on the various interpretations of Mythological figures. I know that'd be asking a lot buuutttt... I think it'd be interesting seeing him sit down, review, and see what versions are his favorites not based on accuracy but based on how cool they are.
In the version of Orpheus's story I read while growing up, rather than having him turn around because he was afraid Eurydice no longer followed him, he successfully passed through the threshold of the Underworld before he turned to look- but as Eurydice herself had not yet passed the threshold, she disappeared when he did.
@Jake Doubleyoo I appreciate the little detail of *Dīs Pater* having significantly more bling on him than Aïdoneus (i.e, his golden, jewel-encrusted crown) bcuz his name (Dis was a contraction of the Latin _dives,_ literally “riches”) literally means “Father of riches, [the] Rich Father”, or more humorously, *'Daddy Rich'.* 😂
I’m so happy you covered this because I really like this story. Read it a few years ago and started to love it
I clicked so hard that zeus still haven't found a woman to have "fun" with
now thats impossible
This guys art style is so funny but I love it
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS STORY FOR SO LONG! This is my favorite Greek myth story to tell or listen too. Thank you Jake! Side note very unaware of the underage boy part…
So, since Dis Pater and Proserpina look different from their Greek versions, how different would Jupiter or Neptune look? Oh and btw I love your channel- you're one of my main sources for mythology and you've taught me a lot!
We see a brief glimpse of Neptune in his gorgon video around 7:25
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Also Minerva (Roman equivalent of Athena
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Jake: " . . . Orpheus invited the marriage god Hymen (don't laugh)"
Me: Too late!
HEY JAKE WE LOVE YOUR CONTENT
Awh yeah❤, early congrats on reaching 70 videos :D🎉
Great video. I love these history animations!
I know you didn’t plan for this to release at the same time as the Persona 3 Re announcement but its so frickin funny
My favorite telling of the myth is orpheus being so depressed, his music actually stops life from happening, i.e. food growing, children gestating, people being happy and eating and the solution they come up with is just drowning the guy.
“The marriage god, Hymen, don’t laugh” I giggled I’m sorry
This is still kind of fascinating to hear more about the Greek stories,
Mythology says been intrigued
Love how you do designs.
Its a good year when jake upluods
I can't wait for your video about Jason and the Argonauts.
RIP Eurydice.
She died.
If that's not on my grave I'm not dying.
Japanese mythology has the same story about the two first creation gods that manifested and created the islands of Japan. Which is very interesting considering Japan is on the other side of the world apart from Greece. I mean ancient Greece. In the Japanese story, he was told not to turn around by his own wife. But he was just so lonely and heartbroken that he needed to see his wife one time, but he realized that she was a rotten corpse. Which freaked him out so he ran away from her, and she chased after him, cursing him while he blocked the cave to the underworld with a huge boulder.. it’s a story that explains why there are certain amount of people born, and a certain amount of people die every day.
I love your videos :)
Thank you for going into more detail than my ELA teacher did.
FINALLY! Such a classic
I like the video!
Also a video I would like you to do is a video about Theseus!
WHERE MY HADESTOWN SQUAD AT
Just stepped out the theater had to know more
Thanks for making this. I bad been wondering what lyres looked like and didn't want to google it.
orpheus looks like an ancient blue eyed ruby ;-;
I see Jake post, I drop everything to watch the new vid
I can no longer see Orpheus as a person in myth but now I see him as a detective/novelist... I might have a slight problem
1:17 Which is highly suspicious. Viper bites might be fatal, and Greece apparently does have more dangerous vipers than Czech Republic does, but even then, not instantly fatal.
Can you do a video about the gods and their counterparts? Like how Dis Pater and Pluto eventually became one?
Orpheus? As in the Persona 3 protagonist’s base Persona? *Woah! Was that a* _Persona_ *reference?!*
Jake: "Orpheus invited the marriage god Hymen"
Me: 😐
Jake: "Don't laugh"
Me: 😂
I LOVE LOVE LOVE ORPHEUS AND EURYDICE IT IS MY FAVOURITE MYTH OF ALL TIME
Weeeeeh, more mythology! :D
Genesis continued please. Of course any mythos you touch on is appreciated and respected because you are fucking amazing at your job. But personally I am hungry for that in particular
This just puts me in the mood for Hadestown
Ah, Rome. You ruin everything you touch, yet for some reason everyone wants to be you.
I have to say IT would Be awesome to see after he has done The Green and The Nordic mythologys i would love to see him cower a Finnish mythology story
New Jake vid just dropped
Isn’t hades called Pluto in Roman mythology? (my knowledge comes exclusively from Rick riorden books)
Yes
@@dejaypage1575 thought so, but he calls him Dis Pater in the video
Could be a epithet for hades
@@ianmcnicol8059 ahh that makes a lot more sense, thank you!
@@ianmcnicol8059thank you, that was really informative!
The band Arcade Fire has a very great album called Reflektor that has some songs based in this greek myth, it's great
Jake we need the history of Atreus in the next video
This guy is chaotic TedEd, love that for u 🔥
Hmm, something about this myth reminds me of another, very similar myth. Izanagi and Izanami. VERY similar, though luckily Izanagi didn't go through a pedophile phase. (I hope...)
Hey Jake, I hope its no bother but I had an idea that you make a video that talks about menoetius(the titan, not the father of patroclus) and his whole history
I liked this story when I learnt about it in my English lessons.
Would love a look at Japanese Mythology!
When your music slaps so hard you get the trees and rocks to start vibing
“For rejecting the love of women…”
I’m sure that’s exactly why those women beat his ass. It was THAT part of his “romantic choices” that they took issue with.
I’m sure that’s the story he told because “got run out of town and beaten to a pulp for making creepy advances on boys in that town” just didn’t sound as… artistic.. as he wanted.
Hey I learned this in reading :D
Nice some new lore dropped
You forgot to mention that Orpheus is angsty song he kept on playing for the local wildlife was so sad that it caused women to miscarry, crops to wither and everything else in between to be plagued by depression and nightmares
"Yeah, this would be a great character to adapt to D&D, he absolutely perfe- oh"
Don't worry! Ovid most likely made that.. troubling... part up.
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Very nice. that is all.
Oh look, the myth that inspired one of my favorite Broadway musicals
Very cool
Epic vid
You should do a video on Voodoo Mythology, it’s very Interesting
dude got mad fingers did not stop playing for a second
I once again ask will you make a video on solean
There is very little people talking about how Jake nails the pronunciations 99% of the time
*flashbacks to the heckinchonkeries*
Do a video on achilles
Oh, these two. Neat.
“Babe wake up, new Jake Doubleyoo video”
Could you make a video about the Odyssey
I kind of like the remodel on Hades into Dis Pater (Pluto?). It's just kind of how religions with many different cultures end up renaming the same entity and giving them different traits or when they try to explain another polytheist group like the Egyptians with Osiris. You could make a whole committee of the gods of the underworld and why trying to lump every culture into one doesn't actually work outside of fiction.
Hades and Osiris in Ptolemaic períod are fused in on God called Serapis, infact one of the few survived statues of Hades are actually Serapis
you should do a vid abt odysseus
Do a video on the book of Exodus and do one for Zoroastrianism please and thank you
Yes
i always love learning new problematic details about mythology lol
Cant wait for Sisyphus's story
hello jake can you make a vedio about Víðarr