@@gothnerd887 it’s less terrifying if the things name is “the bye bye man”. An ancient goddess of death, the dread Persephone? Scary. The bye bye man? Sesame Street character.
@@noelhann5262 I mean that’s actually kinda menacing depending on what tone you say it in. Just imagen a little kid saying “I saw the bye bye man he says hi mommy!”
"He also takes a moment to ask Persephone not to be sad. As his wife, she'll be a queen of queens, ruler of the dead, and highest among the goddesses, and meanwhile, he will work to be the best husband he can be for her." awwww
Aww, indeed. The Homeric _Hymn to Demeter_ reads as follows, translated by Dr. Cora Angier Sowa: _Thus Hermes spoke, and Aïdoneus, lord of those below, smiled with a lift of his eyebrows, and did not disobey the orders of King Zeus. He quickly bade wise Persephone, “Go, Persephone, to your dark-robed mother, keeping in your heart a kind disposition and feeling, and do not be too exceedingly despondent. I shall not be an unfitting husband for you among the immortals, own brother of your father Zeus. Being here, you will rule over everything that lives and moves, and you will have the greatest honors among the immortals. For those who do you wrong there will be punishment for ever, whoever does not appease your power with offerings, reverently performing your rites, paying the proper gifts.” Thus he spoke. Wise Persephone rejoiced, and she quickly started up from joy._
@@primordialsun, I'm all aboard them being a snack he gave her for the road, and she's the one who made up the "yep, totally have to go back for that many months every year, Mom. Magically binding and all that." Then mutters under her breath, "as if MARRIAGE wasn't more binding than some stupid snack food." Elsewhere, Hera, goddess of marriage, has a sudden urge to go give Persephone a hug.
@@segevstormlord3713 According to the story, the pomegranate seeds were the reason she was bound to the underworld, but it would be hilarious if that was just something Persephone made up to justify staying with Hades.
When you remember that Demeter and Hades are siblings, this makes the Helios pitch hilarious to me. Helios: "Oh, he's a great guy, king of the Underworld. She could do worse." Demeter: "😐 You're really going to stand there and dictate MY BROTHER'S resume to me?"
Helios: I mean... yeah... you've noticed how much of godly marriage is just pure incest because of the low generation count, right? I think we've got like, 5, maybe 6 generations if we count Nyx and Chaos as one before Gaia and Ouranos, and if we start counting that we've got the fact that Ouranos and all the other primordials of that generation not named Gaia are technically all her sons, so... yeah. Quite frankly, neice to uncle is kinda tame by our standards at this point. A further gap would be nice, but if it had to be one of your brothers, at least it's neither of the ones that r$ed you on a beach because they thought it was fun. Plus, this is the first time he's shown genuine interest in a girl from what I've heard, there's a very small chance he might actually be faithful to her without needing to have marriage in his list of domains.
@@theendersmirk5851 Demeter:...That doesn help! Also hello? Helios:...fair enough. Later Zagreus:...so uh. The snow will be gone now that things...stopped,right? Than:knowing demeter? ...maybe. Zagreus:yeah. ...wonder how mel is doing.
@@lolbots686 Helios: See, the worst that happened is because you and Hades are stubborn you trade which section of the world Persephone is in, this is honestly the least toxic relationship I've seen between any of you Olympians unless we count Ares and Aphrodite, which the main reason to discount it is the fact it's technically cheating on Hephaestus because of that stupid mess with Zeus and Aphrodite trying to seduce everyone to cause them to fight over her because she's made of Ouranos's... you know, and sea water... man that recontextualizes how much us males were wanting her that first day, huh? Sorry, off topic. Point being, it isn't exactly a normal relationship, but outside of non Kronos Titan relationships that's about as good as you were likely to get. Y'all get really toxic.
Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure in the "original"/older myths, Hades was a good person who minded his business. Heck, he was a better ruler than Zeus apparently. The only thing he did wrong was kidnap his wife which was normal back then so it was still a W for him. Although recent adaptions kinda f*cked up his character and now he's just... 👀
And she does. Without dropping her gentle demeanor. There's murderous rampage scary and then there's calm methodical savage destruction scary. Persephone is the latter
Something clicked when I saw the Underworld referred to as the "House Of Hades", and now I need a fantasy story where Hades IS the Underworld and Persephone is its caretaker
Agreed. Maybe even a courtroom drama where a mortal (let's say Orestes) proves that Hades is innocent and all the other gods (save for Athena, Eros, and Psyche) are guilty and the plot twist is that Persephone MADE Hades in a plant to thwart Zeus's conspiracy of dethroning Her from being the #1 god. Basically, Persephone was the real underworld deity and Firstborn of Kronos, thus all would be hers in the end. Zeus (being the sexist rapist that he is) didn't like this, erased her memories, and shaped reality into one where he can bang whoever he wants. Fortunately, Persephone had a backup plan and, in her absence, Hades the very underworld itself was brought to life and started the whole kidnap plot to get the trial started. In the end Hades opts to go back to being unalive but Persephone tells him she loves him and they are married for real.
Pop Culture: “One shudders to imagine what inhuman thoughts lie in the head of the king of the underworld... what dreams of chronic, and sustained cruelty...” Hades, in reality: “I wanna be a good husband!”
Exactly he is the oldest and mature aniki While zeus is the idiotic spoiled brat younger brother There are interpretations where zeus cheated on the lot drawing But since hades is lord of the underworld that means everything underground even under the ocean is his like all the riches and minerals so he is the richest dude
@@JuFated On the bright side, he gets a dmc 3 gatekeeper boss as a pet, rich with mineral, and gets good reputation from future scholars. What’s not to like.
@@JuFated Well, there's more earth under our feet than there is water in the ocean or air over our heads, and in the end everyone dies so in terms of pure volume Hades is actually the one in charge and everybody else is just splitting the tiny remainder. ;P
As a native German speaker I was so surprised about what a bad rep this story gets in the English speaking world. Mostly because the equivalent word that is used in German "Raub" still just refers to theft or robbery. So when you look at a title like "Der Raub der Perseophone" you just the implication that Hades "stole" her away from Demeter rather than the more horrible implication the English title of the myth points to at first glance.
@@someonerandom8552 Yeah "rape" originally meant "forceful seizure" as seen in the title of the book "The Rape of the Lock" about someone cutting a lock of hair off of a woman's head.
@@someonerandom8552right! A simple digging shows that the word rape adopted the definition that we know of today as well as the misunderstanding of the story of Hades and Persephone in the late 14th century AD. No one wants to google anymore.
OK real talk here, having your ruler-of-the-underworld death goddess called just "The Mistress" who's real name is kept secret and is so frightful that namedropping her is inviting her presence is unironically metal as shit
@@zanderblankenship3849 He just works with them. As the god of all things chthonic, meaning things of the earth, Hades is the god of all sources of metals. Hades is the original composer, Hephaestus does the cover
@@aprilsanders7092 Remember that time the Olympians decided to cause a global flood and kill off all of humanity save for a select few favorites of theirs, causing Lord Hades to be stuck to his ears in paperwork for several millennia in his attempts to account for the hundreds of thousands of unburied people?
You can tell Persephone was a big frickin' deal because when they had to give her a husband, they gave her the only Olympian who drinks Respect Women Juice.
@@darkishphoenix yeah but there are more stories with hera and aphrodite screwing girls over and artemis made someone fall in love with a bear so let's just all agree that most of the olympians were dicks
I have a headcanon that immediately after Hades kidnapped Persephone, he was SUPER awkward. Like, “Ummm… Hi? I’m Hades… You’re very pretty… Wanna meet my dog?”
I feel like Hades doesnt do anything because he doesnt need to do anything. No matter what, EVERYONE comes into his kingdom at some point or another, so he’s fine with just waiting.
Persephone is my ideal version of an angel. She looks and acts like the stereotypical beautiful winged humanoid kind -sweet, gentle, nice coz she prefers it that way ...but if pushed, she without dropping the gentle demeanor, will prove to be as frightening as any of them biblical angels.
... So, it needs to be said - every tine the word "Goth" is used I immediately have quasi-flashbacks to the sacking of Rome. Also cathedrals and fluted armor. But mostly Rome burning.
Why Hades is my favorite Greek god 1. Actually cares about his wife 2. Doesn't actively look for trouble 3. The only Greek god with a functional marriage 4. Has three headed dog
2:20 I read the Myth-O-Mania book series as a kid. Basically, it's a fictionalised retelling of the classic Greek myths, all from Hades' perspective. He starts by telling us how one day (modern times) he suddenly discovered our Greek myths, and started reading out of curiosity, hoping to relive the fun times. Instead, he finds Zeus has lied about almost everything, making himself seem perfectly good, while Hades has been villainised. So the series is Hades setting the record straight, according to him. Pretty fun read. And it follows the idea that him and Persephone's relationship was indeed consensual.
There is close of it version by Bellarussian author Elena (Steeless) Hades, beloved of Fate (beloved more in negative connotation or closer to "pet"). I reccomend to read it. Maybe it is not accurate but I did love it. Only it has a lot of cultural jokes.
Zeus solid snake's himself into Hera's chambers as a bird and then transforms like "Surprise butt sex!" Odysseus would later do the same thing with the Trojan horse, only without the bird and the "surprise butt sex" happens all over Troy during its sacking.
Speaking of Hades and Persephone not cheating on each other, a nymph once tried to seduce Hades, but was squashed into the dirt by Persephone. That nymph was named Minthe, and the plant she became is mint.
Hades comes up behind Persephone petting two of Cerberus' heads while crying. "Persephone, what is wrong, why are you crying?" Hades asks urgently And she turns to him and weeps, "I don't have enough hands to pet them all!" And like... I could just see Hades dropping what he's doing and petting his dog with his wife for a while.
I like that this issue is subverted in the game Hades by the explanation that only one of Cerberus's heads likes pets, and the other two will supposedly bite at you if you try to pet them
Zeus: Hades, guess what! We all pitched together and graciously decided to get you a girl! Hades: oh my gosh, that’s amazing! Where is she? Zeus: in the trunk Persephone: help me! Get me out of here! Hades: Wha-you kidnapped Kore?! That’s illegal! Aphrodite: but, Hades. What’s more illegal? Briefly inconveniencing Demeter’s daughter, or getting you laid? Hades: KIDNAPPING KORE, APHRODITE! Zeus: Hades, listen, whatever I may think of you right now, you need a queen and you have a crush. The Greek gods are counting on you Hades: what? To-to kidnap people? Zeus: to work together Hades: TO KIDNAP PEOPLE?! Eros: Lord Hades, we all agreed that us gods are above a people
@@dreademperor2094 Zeus:...oh no. Later,the underworld Hades:fuck fuck FUCK fuck FUUUUUUUCK! This is bad this is really bad! Kore:... are you ok? Hades: considering what zeus did, not really! Ok...fuck... Thanatos:and that's about what i heard that time Zagreus:huh. So father when he was younger had a lot of anxiety? Than:yep.
Hades: "Hey Zeus, there's this goddess I like and I have no idea how to get her to pay attention to me. Got any advice?" Zeus: "Just kidnap her lol." Hades: "Zeus it's Persephone. You know, your *daughter* ?" Zeus: "Okay, you have my *permission* to kidnap her." Hades: "And you're sure Demeter won't mind?" Zeus: "I'm the king of the gods, what could happen?" Demeter: *ANGRY WINTER NOISES* Hades: "I knew I shouldn't have gotten advice from cheater supreme." -_-
Now before anybody starts a war in the reply section adonis was persephone adopted son no more no less the whole persephone cheated thing was something that Ovid made up and before anybody say's that hades cheated leuce is a Roman exclusive myth that doesn't exist in greek mythology and minthe is hades jealous ex who got turned into a plant after claiming to be better than persephone
As dysfunctional as it may be. Zeus has only had 1 marriage, and is going strong. And Persephone didn't get the chance to cheat on Hades with her adoptive son Adonis before he was brutally mangled by a boar. Yeah, I read Mohammed's comment, I am just that rebellious.
@@PropiaRealidad Actually, Hera was Zeus’s second wife. He absorbed his first wife (the titaness Rhea I believe), which gave him all the knowledge and wisdom of the world, and led to the birth of Athena after he literally smashed his head open. The reasoning was it was prophesied Rhea would give birth to a god more cunning than Zeus who could threaten his status as King of the gods. Add on top of that the fact Rhea was the whole reason Zeus was able to supplant Kronos in the first place, and yeah, while arguably not on par of his exploits with mortals later, it’s not like Zeus had a reputation of treating the women who he loved with any sort of respect or decency to begin with. EDIT: I was wrong, Metis was the titaness I was thinking of and she and Zeus were not married. MB.
@@nxdiaz5916 The one you mentioned above is Metis, not Rhea. And they were not technically married, he had an affair with her and after that he absorbed her because he was paranoid that her child would overthrow him.
Now now don't pick on the psychopaths of ancient Greeks especially when said psycho bludgeoned their wet nurse to death before using their skin to depose of a pretty decent guy who other then locking away his kids in an alternative universe because of one of his brothers assery hadn't done much bad.
I love that half this comment section is mostly making short fanfics about their relationship and the other half is actually talking about the video (also nice pfp)
Me as a child: Hades is a horrible god Me as a adult: Hades is a literally the absolute fairest god you could ask for, great husband to his wife and a brow beaten account of dead people and the least problematic and drama-free god
Zeus in the Disney movie Hercules: (Is a noble person that loves his family.) Zeus in Greek Mythology: I'm legally required to do the Sex Offender Shuffle!
Like seriously. He went and asked the dad's permission when he spotted a girl he liked instead of, I dunno, turning into a swan. The bar is low but stilll
*Demeter* : It’s just horrible how someone would take my child and do god knows what to them without my consent. *The baby she’s currently setting on fire* : Goo? *Demeter* : See, you get me Demophon
Would you ever consider doing a video about Demeter? Because it seems like there's an annoying tendency for people to, in order to legitimize Hades and Persephone, characterize Demeter as a horrible mother whom Persephone was glad to escape, which is... so far from the truth. (Edit: Holy shit that's a lot of thumbs up, I thought this comment was going to get lost in the comments section how did this happen XD)
@@thedragonwarrior5861 That's modern-day reinterpretations, the classic myths make no mention of Demeter as an overbearing mother and actually portray her as a wronged individual whose child was taken and didn't even have the chance to say goodbye to her (something even mortal women at the time were allowed, there was always a transition period for brides to say goodbye to friends and family to make things easier) or make sure she was happy with everything, she was told to just accept it because she couldn't change anything because Zeus said so and she'd never see Persephone again. She does what she does because it's the only thing she could do to exert power in an otherwise powerless situation and the only thing that would possibly make the other gods listen to her. And in the end, while the arrangement still makes her sad, she is happy to at least get half a year with her because she knows it was better than the alternative, and she is satisfied when Persephone tells her herself that she is happy and doesn't have to hear people condescendedly talk down to her about Persephone's situation.
@@Floweramon This myth, yes. But, there is a key part in the Myth of Zagreous. Persephone gets perused by multiple gods, including Apollo, Ares, and I believe Hermes. This leads to Demeter going full lockdown mode and hiding Persephone in a cave with dragons and more guarding her. That’s a little overkill I’d say. Hades finds out because caves connect to underworld and from there we get the little god. Now does this make her wrong for wanting her daughter back when stolen from her? No, she has every right to be. No matter if she was over protective of her daughter, that doesn’t mean she’s wrong to be angered when Zues gives her daughter away without a word to her. But it’s not like it’s not in keeping with the myth for her to be overprotective or want keep her daughter forever. I think a good compromise is to have a legit reason for her to be worried or controlling. Good example for me is Lore Olympus. She has legitimate reason to hate Hades so she disapproves of him, and is protective of her daughter because there legit are multiple people trying to use her for their own power. Is Demeter overly protective? Yes. Is her fear warranted? Oh definitely. You can show someone being wrong without them being bad.
People forget that Hades while the ruler of the underworld is basically the manager/admin of the place, THANATOS is the legit god of death and peaceful death at that! Hades is literally that guy who is the regional manager of a company with a cute wife and a dog (and their kid Zagerus, he's actually canon as he is in myth either as an aspect of Dionysus or as the son of hades and Persephone the telling vary because greek mythology be whack and retconning shit all over the place)
@@jaderotaski1 well I mean... less manager and more ruler of the largest kingdom to ever exist and ever will exist (considering the place gets thousands of new residents every day and never loses any)
Ah, Mythology: the only place where your father is your uncle, your mother is your aunt, your uncle is your husband, your niece is your wife, your brother is your son-in-law, your siblings are your parents-in-law, your parents are your siblings-in-law, your step mother is your aunt, your uncles and aunts are your siblings-in-law, your half-sister is your aunt, your half-siblings and cousins are your nephews and nieces, your half brother is a horse; and nothing it's weird at all...
I think a lot of people in this day and age miss the really significant point that the kidnapping/rape of Persephone story is most likely an allegory for the ancient traditional practice of fathers arranging for their daughters to be married to an older man within the family, such as an uncle, that way the father's property which would be inherited by the son-in-law through their marriage would stay within the family, making it easier to accumulate wealth over generations down the family line. And when the girl married, she would go from living with her parents to living with her husband and his family and would be pretty cut off socially from other women, especially from her mother. This caused a lot of grief for mothers and their daughters, as they wouldn't be allowed to see each other very often after marriage. And this common grief was preserved in this myth that simultaneously "explained" the seasons. At least, this is a common interpretation/theory. Hades is literally the uncle of Persephone aka Kore, and seems to be a stand-in representing the arranged husband/uncle, so it totally makes sense that in earlier versions if Hades didn't exist, Poseidon would have a prominent role instead! So fascinating how myths change and evolve depending on the societies telling those stories and how their social and legal customs function, for instance how in the modern day West where the custom of arranged marriages to older men aren't all that common, the Hades x Persephone dynamic has kind of become like...a spicy fantasy in fanfic and romance novels with more female empowerment, rather than an allegory for how patriarchal societies function and how they affect the women involved, haha. That's not a bad thing, that's just how mythology works and it's neat. I had no idea about the Despoina pseudonym or how that might point to earlier evolutions of Persephone/Kore/Despoina being quite so "dread", even though I knew about the epithet, I just foolishly assumed it was a perfunctory epithet that came with being generally associated with the Underworld. Really interesting!
Not just any plant, specifically mint, which was apparently used to brew a psychoactive compound used in the Eleusinian mysteries. It's all coming full circle.
Hades: *monotone* "I like... death." Persephone: *lights up* "OMG! I like death too!" *HUGS* "Now let go back to your place and watch entropy slowly destroy everything your brothers love." Hades: *smiles* "OK."
I like to imagine there’s a lineup of Zeus and Poseidon’s kids demanding to talk to their uncle and a shade just telling them that he’s not a family man, especially for such a messy one
Why’s no one talking about the art? Red really outdid herself this episode on the gods and their auras contrasting with the others, particularly with the full screen art of Hades with his laurel
I was just thinking about how much I love her art style, and how the status and power of deities is presented so well with the auras, monochrome style and the eyes. And even the little details, like Demeter retaining some green in her eyes even when disguised... Sometimes I just watch the videos for the art, even if I don't necessarily care about the myth in question
Dread Persephone: taking "married to her job" so literally that said job straight up personifies into an Olympian, whose primary character trait is "loves Persephone."
@@superpeanutcrusade9208 Zeus, Hera, Ares, Dionysus, Athena, Apollo, Hermes, Poseidon, Artemis, Hephaestus, Aphrodite, and Demeter are all Olympians, Hades is absent from the list.
One of my friends is a total mythology nerd and he has ensured we're very aware that Hades was a pretty chill dude compared to his siblings and extended family. Now Poseidon on the other hand, I will always have a personal hatred for
@@NotMe-vx4vl Poseidon: All of the hedonism, nonconsensual mortal banging, demented levels of misery inflicted in the name of revenge, and daddy issues of Zeus... With none of the widespread hatred. Poseidon deserves his own league of haters
I’m with you there for hating Poseidon, but I’m adding Zeus to that list. I never cared much to have an opinion on those two until I had to do a family tree for all the named characters in “The quest for the Golden Fleece”, Zeus and Poseidon are the reason I could do that and I want to strangle them for it I still believe I wouldn’t have had to make a family tree of roughly 70 people if it wasn’t for those two
@@NotMe-vx4vl Well, apparently his r/p3 game isn't that strong so Caenis one of his many victims wishes to be a man so that she will never suffer through such a traumatic event again. And Poseidon likes to torture sea adventurers based on his many moods.
Not that this entire video isn’t astoundingly captivating, but describing Hades as “the firstborn son of Cronus. The world is his by birth rite and though there is a delay, all become his subject eventually” is so metal and I love it
@@user-xq4py3fq2y not really, everything that moves in and upon all bodies of water(remember what makes up most of the planet?)Are subject to his domain, he’s also a god of storms and can bring about earthquakes hence the title “earth shaker”
Hades: "I know I kidnapped you but your dad said I could and I love you" Persephone: "that's okay it's warm and you have a big dog, I think I'm gonna stay"
Helios should have told Demeter "Its Hades you should be worried for. There is a reason no one wants to summons your daughter. Go and make sure she doesnt traumatize the guy."
Man it sucks that the only respectful god who is loyal to his wife and doesn’t fall in love with every other mortal girl is the most hated. I feel bad for him :(
Also he ain't hated so much on his personality or character but more like he represents death and the average human is scared shitless of death and as such why would they want to deal with him.
@@sirgalahad2 Not like he necessarily decides if or how you die. He's just in charge of the place everyone goes to after after they do. One would think people would appease the guy who owns the property you're going to eventually move to in hopes of better accommodations and not be stuck next to your overbearing mother-in-law who constantly ridicules you for not making enough to own a palace she can move into.
Hades: * is the only Greek deity that loves his wife, doesn’t cheat, does gummy is job well and doesn’t go out of his way to cause drama, and is the only one that doesn’t rape mortal women for no reason* The rest of the pantheon: weird but okay Modern day peeps: SATAN
Actually, he did cheat only twice though (At least there’s only two famous one). Minthe (Later on became the Mint plant we know and Leuce (A white tree in the underworld, pretty sure). Still better than other gods tho.
@@kxqinny8813 Minthe was in some versions transformed by Persephone to get her to bugger off. Leuce probably met a similar fate. And whether they threw themselves at her husband or he tried it and failed is another question. Regardless, no bastard children of Hades and the victim of the week.
Then again he is kind of that way in the cartoon tv series class of titans. Its good I recommend it. I wasn't sure of the way they represented hades at first but it grew on me thier a cute couple.
Now hold on, goth colours don’t deny pastels, for they’re beautiful and fleeting. They tend to dirty, but the soiling is quite a “beauty of destruction” kind of vibe. So pastel goth needn’t be two vibes, but one vibe.
He just loves his wife and dog and just wants to do his job He barely annoys mortals as long as they do not try to do something to mess with the underworld He is lawful good
"As first born son of Kronos, the world was his by birthright" This is such a cool part of his characterization, and I hate it's not explored more in the mythos. I know Hades seems like the guy who wouldn't make a fuss about it, but still...
His brothers cheated him but he actually got the better deal. Everyone is his in the end, the seas will eventually dry up and the skies will eventually burn but there will always be an underworld. He is kind of the universe because he will outlast everyone else. That is super fucking metal.
In one version of the myth Hades actually intentionally becomes King of The Underworld, simply because he (wisely) doesn't trust Zeus or Poseidon to do the job properly. So there's also that... neat.
Also the fact that the underworld isn’t hell, its actually a beautiful place decked with diamonds and jewels. Tartarus is actually hell, why did you think the titans were sent there? Also, a depiction of heaven is in the underworld too which is what the mortals call “Paradise” since only respected deities,greek heroes, or kind nobles go there, thats where Rhea(Titaness and Hades mother) is.
@@TheEman11910 no there wouldn't be since if the seas and sky are gone then humanity as a whole will also be gone and without humans the underworld is kinda pointless and would probably also disapear since death is a human thing without it it can't function properly and looses its purpose it'll probably just dissapear along with humanity or at least abandonded and empty Hades would also lose his job as his entire thing is looking after dead people
Doesn’t Hades rip open the earth to kidnap Persephone? Sounds like something Poseidon the ‘Earthshaker’ would do. I’m totally down to believe they used to be one god.
It depends on which telling you’re reading. Sometimes Hades kidnaps her, sometimes she wanders down there by herself, sometimes the ground is ripped open to do said kidnapping, etc.
My main hypothesis like that is Pandora also used to have a jar of weal, since there's a *pair* of jars in the Iliad, one of weal and one of woe. But Hesiod, black-piller that he was, conveniently wrote that one out, so he could blame everything wrong with the world on women
she already covered where Poseidon's origins come from in a previous video, can't remember off the top of my head, but basically, he was a Chthonic king of the gods which included deaths from earthquakes since that was the "cthonic" part, which is just all the deaths caused from one massive calamity, hence the name earthshaker despite being a god of the ocean. Hades was already his own entity I believe? even if just a very minor one, but I also think he was instead handed the role of kind of the underworld from the original poseidon... i just don't think they were the one and the same god at this point but that's just my theory
Well they were always different gods, even in the mycanaean age, but they were more revered for their earthshaker things, as earth gods were mostly very important in mycanaean mythos. Poseidons earthshaker epithet was also what got him the gig of ruling the underworld. Zeus, for example, did exist but wasn’t really as important, as he was a sky god rather than a chthonic (earth) god. But Poseidon and Hades were as far as I know never one and the same deity like Hermes and Pan were.
Reading some of the Greek myths, I’ve noticed that when a hero goes into the Underworld, Persephone is there. Theseus, Orpheus, Odysseus, and Hercules mention that Persephone is in the Underworld. Either 1. All Greek heroes apparently only visit Hades in winter. Or 2. Persephone is a Queen of the dead, of course she is going to be there when the heroes appear. The idea of Persephone having been thought of as a queen of the dead is also supported in that, there aren’t many myths about her NOT being in the Underworld. The beginning of the abduction myth is the only example I am aware of. (If there is one with her being out of the Underworld feel free to let me know.) Of course that doesn’t mean there might have been a myth once that had Persephone out of the Underworld, but that’s not the impression I’m getting from the general mythos.
I can see where Gomez and Morticia got their idea of a loving couple from, though to be fair, they do love the macabre, and nothing says macabre like the Greek Underworld
yall remember that time a nymph named minthe tried to seduce hades so persephone trampled her and destroyed her turning her into the plant we know today as mint? cool shit.
@@gman1515 I kinda get mad at the story now bc of how much I feel they’ve misinterpreted and done that feels wierd to how the story is. I do think it very cute tho and do still love the story as it is, but the history part of my does backflips for no reason
I like to think Hades and Persephone being equal in power is representative on how death is the great equalizer. Everyone is destined to fall under their domain in time, regardless of gender, age, or class
It’s kinda funny that Ares, the god everyone hates, is the only one who doesn’t have any myths about being horrible to women. He was even the father of the Amazons.
Not was he is the father of the amazons and he gets amazing character developement when he becomes mars and is a good dad to his son romulus Unlike how jerky zeus was with ares
@@joyramirez7518 He was dragged into trial and was acquitted because everyone who agreed with him were the goddesses and other female divine beings who outnumbered the dudes who all wanted him to be punished xD.
There was the whole thing about being Aphrodite's main cheating partner, but that's more on her than him, even if sleeping with your brother's wife is a dick move.
Hades: *is actually faithful to his wife, keeps his promises and deals, and is basically the most mature male Olympian Hollywood: And you’re the villain!
Imagine being faithful to your wife and giving her attention and actual power to what was originally just yours -this post was made by the Ancient Greek gang
Honestly this could be said to say a lot about the way Hollywood thinks especially about relationships And they're still confused why no one respects them?
It really makes me wonder how many stories are affected by Christianity and other major religions. That’s why to me ancient stories like those of Egypt are so fascinating.
As a woman in ancient greece you usually had 2 options: 1. You get impregnated by a god and then chased to death by monsters, other gods and/or your own child 2. There is no second option
I mean, there's the "your story isn't told" option. And there are your occasional Arachnes and Atalantas, of course, but they're notable because of their rarity.
Demeter: My brother gave some guy the go-ahead to kidnap my daughter. Ameterasu: Mine threw a dead horse into my living room. Demeter: ...It's not a contest.
It is interesting how Hades himself probably didn't exist before the Greek Dark Age, but later he is the Kronos's first-born and the world belongs to him by birthright. Talk about a grand entrance.
That might just be a nice little parallel between Greek, Christian and Egyptians. Hades, Osiris, Christ all showing up as firstborn sons of their religion's greatest deities and all three just happen to have connections with the underworld. It might have been that all three were affecting each other in the same way but with different after-effects later down the road.
Its possible that proto greeks had the younger son inherit the throne. We see that constantly in their gods. The youngest son of Chaos, Ouranos, is usurped by his youngest son, Kronos, is usurped by his youngest son Zeus.
@@gbohunmibaloriogun90 shoot your right! Um... Sophisticated older bro turning to his womanzing younger bro to ask how to impress a woman. "Tell me, Zeus, how can I convey my feelings, win her over and steal her heart?" "Just steal *her* !"
the worst thing he ever did to Persephone was trick her into eating a fruit that made her return to the underworld for a third of the year because he was scared that she would never come back, but compare that to all the other fates that had bestowed on all the other god's mistresses and wives it really is a good deal and hades actually loves and respects her. Hell she probably would've returned to hades even without the need of the fruit because she really did like him, she literally crushed a nymph to death the minute it tried to seduce hades, they love each other.
@@h0m3st4r i feel like Hades' response "binding them to a chair in hell for eternity" to people trying to kidnap his wife in his own home while he's there is kinda justified.
The original version of Persephone is basically the Great Mother, which makes her something like Nyx, which is why she's so scary. like, even-Zeus-is-going-to-run-away scary.
Given what you said, itd say it’s likely enough, that she and nyx were infact the same goddess at one point, it’s just nyx got specialized and spreate form them.
@@jime5499I don’t really know what the original commenter is talking about, but I do know there was atleast one very uncommon version of the creation myth, where Persephone creates humans, and Zeus and Gaia have a contest with her, they win, and it’s decided that they get the humans in life and Persephone gets them in death
Hades: *has an incredibly functional relationship with his wife, especially considering the intensely patriarchal time frame* Historians: Literal satan????
Pandora's the opposite. Hesiod's version, which is the only surviving one, is *insanely* misogynistic, but historians gloss over that. Although I do specify *Hesiod's*, because there are arguments for the existence of a previous, less misogynistic version.
Welcome to Christianity, boys and girls. "All of your gods are really just our god, you just didn't know it. Except...um...that one. Yeah, that one. He's actually Satan and will now forever be associated with evil whether you like it or not, or we'll kill you and tell everyone we were just purifying your soul. Also, all of your holy days are now ours. See ya!"
Man, when you put it like that it actually makes _more_ sense. Of course the religion that says Eve was created from part of a man (for varying reasons, ranging from very to not at all misogynistic) and is responsible for plucking the apple, would demonize a god who treats a woman as a person and not an object.
@@Jikkuryuu Actually, Genesis is extremely tame compared to Hesiod. Genesis has man and woman being created at the same time, and even uses a word (ezer) to describe Eve that's typically reserved for divine help. Meanwhile, Hesiod alleges an entire all-male utopia before the creation of woman, and that woman was specifically created as a punishment for Prometheus having stolen fire
Everyone's talking about Hades loving Persephone because she's secretly terrifying, which gives me the headcanon that Persophone, as goddess of the spring created the damaging, deadly or carnivorous plants like nettles, nightshade and venus flytraps.
As someone who gets allergies that last from about march until mid-august, I completely agree with the greeks making someone connected to spring pull a double shift as the queen of the underworld.
Ah nettles, the most surprisingly terrifying plant of all. If you want a fun time, figure out where nettles get most of their nutrients from, it'll blow your mind.
You know this make sense if you see this myth on three purposes: 1. Explaining the season 2. Grief of a mother 3. A death goddess's origin story, like how Zeus was born, but there is a whole myth on how he became king and retains being king.
The only problem I have with this video, is that when censoring Poseidon's genitalia, they used a dolphin emoji instead of an orca. C'mon guys, it's a "free willy" dammit. The pun is so obvious, you can't not make it.
For anyone curious about how Zeus and Hera shacked up: Zeus tried seducing her but she didn't want him, he disguised himself as an injured swan to get her to drop her guard, and then he raped her. The marriage was because Hera was the goddess of family and would only lay with her husband, and due to said rape that ends up being Zeus. What a great guy. I'm going to replay God of War 3 just to beat him to death again.
Something tells me Persephone and Hades roles were similar enough to each other to the two societies that the ancient greeks came from, that once their cultures merged the “marriage” was the embodiment of their metaphorical bond.
Don't know why, but for some reason I can see a well intentioned Hades coming to Zeus for romantic advice and then Zeus straight up tells him to kidnap Persephone as a means of proposing to her.
Exactly! He thought his brother had "Experience" in that department since he got laid so often. Poor, innocent baby. Got led astray by a bad influence. Tsk tsk.
Hades: I was so in love with you, so I went to my brother to ask for help, &- Persephone: Wait, wait, wait. You took relationship advice... from _Zeus?!_ Hades: ... I recognize my mistake.
@@quiethere45 I think that depends on just how quickly he was planning on banging Persephone. If it was an asap matter, Zeus would be the one to go to. If it's about actually winning her over first, then I think Hestia would probably be the best option.
@@quiethere45 This is coming from a big fan of Hestia, but why on earth would Hades ask her? Hestia is a virgin goddess that rejected *TWO* marriage proposals, from Poseidon and Apollo, and vowed to stay a virgin forever, and is specifically mentioned to be immune to the powers of Aphrodite. Hades went to Zeus because Zeus was Persephone's father, sweet and simple. And could we just stop the whole "Zeus is Satan" please? It's kinda getting out of hand. Zeus didn't outright tell Hades to kidnap Persephone, he just gave him his permission and blessing. Hades was feared in Ancient Greece for a reason, like Red said: Underworld Deities were super scary.
The more i learn about Hades, the more it feels like that's the way the greeks saw death. Something that everyone, eventually, goes through, so it doesn't rush, and it doesn't really do that much besides wait for the moment to come. Among all the chaos and stuff all the other gods did and caused, Hades did basically nothing, didn't meddle with anyone else; like death, just waiting quietly and peacefully for you to come.
'"Honestly, i rarely saw the point of mortals worshipping me. They were going to come to my realm sooner or later, regardless of what they did. Did they think it would win them leniency in judging their shades?" He shook his head. "That isnt how i operate"' Dresden files, book 15, Skin Game. Main character actually sits down for a chat with Hades, this is what he says to him.
@@commentlurker3874 it is also because while you can get a favor or be on the good side of some of the other gods, Hades was inexorable. There was nothing they could do to get out of death, gain his favor, or for him to be lenient on them.
Greeks were kinda big on the whole "hubris is bad" thing so it would make sense if they saw death as the ultimate humbler. No matter how great a warrior or king you are you can never escape death, the dude who did try got punished for eternity for it.
It occurs that the thing with the pomegranate seeds can be written off as a moment of weakness on Hades' part - the only point in this story, and perhaps the only point in the mythology ever, where he acts as impulsively as Zeus does.
@@koathekid8255 Hard to tell, but not an impossible read considering it being a trick is part of a story in a hymn to *Demeter,* who would obviously want to believe Persephone wanted to return to her full time, and that Persephone's main response to being in the underworld would be missing her. We obviously don't have any earlier sources of the myth, but if any of the versions of the myth ever were told in a framing of praying to Hades or Persephone, odds are the story would hew at least a bit closer to the pomegranate seeds being an excuse they used to remain together, rather than an act of deception, unless it being a deception was the exclusive version of the story told.
And what devil analogies? All souls, whether good or evil went to the Underworld. It was not Hell. It had sections according to how you were judged. He was basically the manager of the whole afterlife!!!
“The throne of Olympus is his by birthright.” That completely justifies him in Disney’s Hercules if you ask me, or at the very least, seriously changed the narrative. It’s no longer about a usurper being fended off, it’s about the crown prince being disposed. TWICE.
@@JaelinBezel Child murder isn’t exactly new for the gods, to be fair. Especially Hera... Besides, even if it is about a disposed prince, it is still a story about the game of thrones; filicide amongst other underhanded tactics are all par for the course.
The whole "even though there's a delay, everyone becomes Hades subject eventually." Is metal af. I love it. I also imagine Hades and Persephone being spooky to everyone but they're actually huge dorks when together.
**a subject comes before the Underworld Court** *"You fear us."* "I-" *"Why?"* *"We carry no weapons. Merely the Scythe. We come only when the time is right. And it is not your time yet."* **subject is escorted out** Hades, turning to Persephone: "And the scene at the table with Vi and Caitlyn, that got my heart racing. The little dish scene?" Persephone, waving her hands with excitement: "OH MY DAD, THAT DISH SCENE?! And the little 'I paid a visit to your girlfriend's house'? That put me so on edge, the uncertainty it was just *so good* because-" (this goes on for the next thirty minutes as both of them turn in their chairs with the widest damn smiles on their faces)
In addition to the original meaning of this quote, you can also say it metaphorically when you apply it to what's happening right now in modern media: everyone starts to like Hades (because people actually did some research and found out that he wasn't a villain) P.S. I saw your comment before that part of the video, so everyone liking Hades was the first thing that came to mind😅
Take this account with a grain of salt: Early on in my practice of Wicca, at the point where Persephone was already firmly established as my Matron goddess and I had started doing work with Hades, I communed with my gods while on a call with my friends and drawing fanart for a game I like. I was asked by Persephone what I was doing, and I told her I was drawing. She said, and I quote, "That's adorable. When you die, I'm going to keep you." I literally got a chill down my spine.
My classical mythology teacher told me that pomegranates symbolised sex and marriage. And the act of persephone selecting the seeds from the pomegranate means she could've known what she was doing.
@@thunderstone0812 they did actually have some kids most of them have alternate origins but they are melinoe:( goddess of ghosts nightmares and funeral rights she's ethier to daughter of hades and persephone or zeus and persephone after zeus descide himself as hades she was described as being half white and half black to resent life and death she wasn't exactly a well liked goddess but she was still important due to the whole funeral rights thing as far as were aware she never got married or had any children) Makaria:(not to be confused with heracles's makaria there diffrent people they just have the same name in the Suda she's referred to as hades daughter but no mother Is mentioned she's the only one without an alternate origin she's the goddess of blessed death she might have been married to thanatos but were not a hundred precent sure she was seen as a kinder counterpart to her possibly husband repenting blessed death and stuff) Plutus:(the god of riches in older versions he's Demeter's son but later versions would refair to him as hades and persephone's son he was the god of riches a statce that he would share with his farther hades him being hades and persephone's son does seem to Come from the era when Pluto the Roman God was synchrinized with hades or he could have been synchronized with pluton who might or might not have been a different being before being synchronized with hades people are still debating about that we don't know that much about him he's pretty minor diety although in the versions where he's Demeter's son he is more important and his birth did start some drama) The erinyes/furies:(allecto tisiphone and megara they have a couple different origins they can ethier be hades aunts born from uranos's blood after cronos overthrew him in the orphyc hymns there persephone's children the father isn't said to be hades but he is implied to be but we can't be a hundred precent sure since zeus and hades used to be the same so they could have been zeus's children for all we know in the aneiad Virgil claims that there children of Pluto hades Roman counterpart and nox nyx's Roman counterpart yes that nyx as in primordial night mother hypnos and Thanatos nyx yikes) Adonis:(he is hades and persephone's adopted son red briefly talks about him in her aphrodite video he's supposed to be the greek counter part to the god tammuz red talks about tammuz in her aphrodite video hermes video and underworld video and before you ask no adonis is not persephone's lover nor did she cheat on hades that was something that Ovid made up he's just her adopted son) Dyonysus and Zagreus:(red talks about the two of them in her dyonysus video but to make a long story short in the orphyc hymns dyonysus is the son of zeus and persephone after he "seduced" her in the form of a snake she got pregnant and gave birth to Zagreus older fragmentary myths do refer to him as hades and persephone's son but ether way Zagreus is destiynd to be zeus's hera hera so she unleashes the titans to kill him they eat him alive except for his heart wich athena saves last minute they bring him back to life by etheir implanting him into zeus's thigh or by putting him in the mortal semele Zagreus does seem have started of as his own diety before getting mixed up with dyonysus although we can't be fully sure in hellinstic myths it's genuinely agreed on that Zagreus is a different diety from Dionysus although his parenting is still a bit messy dyonysus in Hellenism is instead the son of zeus and semele or Zeus and demeter although in some versions persephone is his foster mother so there's that)
5:45 where Helios mentions that Persephone could do worse with a choice of husbands and that bit where "As firstborn son of Kronos the world was his by birthright and even if there's a delay everyone becomes his subject eventually." That's METAL
@@peternickle1884 And then they go to Zeus and he says "But Demeter.... I gave him permission it's less of kidnapping and more a arranged marriage" Winter time later: "why aren't the crops growing and people dying?"
I think in older stories, Persephone was actually the scariest godess of all time, ruler of death, and the greeks were *terrified* of her, but then in later stories, since ancient greek people are generally sexist, they had Hades be the original ruler of the underworld and Persephone as this sweet maiden child who got tricked into staying in the underworld, needing another person to come and look for her, which explains why Hades is so vague. I'm not sure I have an explanation for Demeter, but I think maybe in older myths, they were also still together; just not mother and daughter, but a closer bond.
Broke: Fearing the gods of the underworld 'cause they're scary gods of the death. Woke: Realizing they are frightening to the idiots that cross them, and pretty chill to the others.
Hades is Scary but he is understanding due to his work nature Persephone is nice and happy but if you cross her you wished you would have crossed hades cause she is much more unforgiving then him
Hades: no we're equally terrifying. It just is funnier when she does it cause everyone instantly pisses themselves. Me I have to be in the mood to do it
Demeter: helps out a local ruler while trying to bring her daughter out of the underworld, then tries to make the ruler's child immortal by burning them, but is discovered Isis: helps out a local ruler while trying to restore her brother to life, then tries to make the ruler's child immortal by burning them, but is discovered Coincidence?
Zeus: UGH. I gotta go home. Hera will bitch if I don't. Aphrodite: I'm gonna go to Ares. I don't want to go home to my ape of a husband. Poseidon: I'm gonna see if Demeter is home. Hades: I am going home to my wife. Because I love her. THAT'S WHY I MARRIED HER.
I mean, I would hope the message would be that parents shouldn’t get so hung up over their children’s love lives and respect their autonomy (like Demeter was way too attached to her immortal goddess daughter in that story. Persephone coming back and saying “I’m happy” should have been enough; Demeter really doesn’t need to sulk whenever she isn’t there 24/7), but I feel like the point in context is just that when the parents of the girl you like are literal gods controlling the forces of nature, just be safe and get BOTH parents approval.
@Mullerornis I'd say it's more like "If you're going to marry off your daughter at least give her mom a heads up." Demeter had plenty of time to work herself into a grieving fury by the time someone bothered to let her know Persephone's kidnapping was paternally endorsed.
@@rockyblacksmith Aphrodite is kind of crazy, but she does bend over backwards for her kids no matter what they’re doing. You could probably ask for a kingdom and Aphrodite would give with no regard of what you’ll do with it
Honestly, Mycenaean Poseidon and Demeter having a relationship makes sense just based on how scary nature is. Chthonic Demeter embodying the hostile power of nature instead of just "growing plants" and Underworld King Posiedon being into that.
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Plot twist: Demeter was just sending more subjects to them as a wedding gift.
This, this is amazing
Knowing the Greek Gods, I could totally see her combining her sulking with the wedding present.
Naah hades would hate it bec it’s too much work hahahaha
So much paperwork though
I didn't say he'd like the present.
“Don’t speak her name, you might get her attention” is a terrifying concept.
don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it
@@gothnerd887 it’s less terrifying if the things name is “the bye bye man”. An ancient goddess of death, the dread Persephone? Scary. The bye bye man? Sesame Street character.
@@noelhann5262 The Mistress? Horrifying. The Girl(Kore)? Meh
@@noelhann5262 I mean that’s actually kinda menacing depending on what tone you say it in. Just imagen a little kid saying “I saw the bye bye man he says hi mommy!”
@@noelhann5262 I know right, the only reason I remember that movie is Phelous
"He also takes a moment to ask Persephone not to be sad. As his wife, she'll be a queen of queens, ruler of the dead, and highest among the goddesses, and meanwhile, he will work to be the best husband he can be for her."
awwww
Aww, indeed. The Homeric _Hymn to Demeter_ reads as follows, translated by Dr. Cora Angier Sowa:
_Thus Hermes spoke, and Aïdoneus, lord of those below, smiled with a lift of his eyebrows, and did not disobey the orders of King Zeus. He quickly bade wise Persephone, “Go, Persephone, to your dark-robed mother, keeping in your heart a kind disposition and feeling, and do not be too exceedingly despondent. I shall not be an unfitting husband for you among the immortals, own brother of your father Zeus. Being here, you will rule over everything that lives and moves, and you will have the greatest honors among the immortals. For those who do you wrong there will be punishment for ever, whoever does not appease your power with offerings, reverently performing your rites, paying the proper gifts.” Thus he spoke. Wise Persephone rejoiced, and she quickly started up from joy._
Aww so cute.
Hades?
Wh-what are you doing with those pomegranate seeds?
HADES!
@@primordialsun, I'm all aboard them being a snack he gave her for the road, and she's the one who made up the "yep, totally have to go back for that many months every year, Mom. Magically binding and all that." Then mutters under her breath, "as if MARRIAGE wasn't more binding than some stupid snack food." Elsewhere, Hera, goddess of marriage, has a sudden urge to go give Persephone a hug.
@@segevstormlord3713 According to the story, the pomegranate seeds were the reason she was bound to the underworld, but it would be hilarious if that was just something Persephone made up to justify staying with Hades.
@@primordialsun That's what the game surmised.
When you remember that Demeter and Hades are siblings, this makes the Helios pitch hilarious to me.
Helios: "Oh, he's a great guy, king of the Underworld. She could do worse."
Demeter: "😐 You're really going to stand there and dictate MY BROTHER'S resume to me?"
Helios: I mean... yeah... you've noticed how much of godly marriage is just pure incest because of the low generation count, right? I think we've got like, 5, maybe 6 generations if we count Nyx and Chaos as one before Gaia and Ouranos, and if we start counting that we've got the fact that Ouranos and all the other primordials of that generation not named Gaia are technically all her sons, so... yeah. Quite frankly, neice to uncle is kinda tame by our standards at this point. A further gap would be nice, but if it had to be one of your brothers, at least it's neither of the ones that r$ed you on a beach because they thought it was fun. Plus, this is the first time he's shown genuine interest in a girl from what I've heard, there's a very small chance he might actually be faithful to her without needing to have marriage in his list of domains.
@@theendersmirk5851
Demeter:...That doesn help! Also hello?
Helios:...fair enough.
Later
Zagreus:...so uh. The snow will be gone now that things...stopped,right?
Than:knowing demeter? ...maybe.
Zagreus:yeah. ...wonder how mel is doing.
@@lolbots686
Helios: See, the worst that happened is because you and Hades are stubborn you trade which section of the world Persephone is in, this is honestly the least toxic relationship I've seen between any of you Olympians unless we count Ares and Aphrodite, which the main reason to discount it is the fact it's technically cheating on Hephaestus because of that stupid mess with Zeus and Aphrodite trying to seduce everyone to cause them to fight over her because she's made of Ouranos's... you know, and sea water... man that recontextualizes how much us males were wanting her that first day, huh? Sorry, off topic. Point being, it isn't exactly a normal relationship, but outside of non Kronos Titan relationships that's about as good as you were likely to get. Y'all get really toxic.
Why do I feel like Demeter’s status as Zeus and Hades’s sister was a retcon?
Demeter and Zeus are also siblings and they just HAD A CHILD TOGETHER and even with Hades trying to marry his niece Persephone
When the “bad guy” has the most functional relationship
Depends on which adaption you used
I mean he isn’t even a bad guy lol because the underworld isn’t equal to hell
@@NoName-dx1no yea, that’s why I put it in quotes,
Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure in the "original"/older myths, Hades was a good person who minded his business. Heck, he was a better ruler than Zeus apparently. The only thing he did wrong was kidnap his wife which was normal back then so it was still a W for him. Although recent adaptions kinda f*cked up his character and now he's just... 👀
@@goaway4625 well the kidnapping was adviced by Zeus so its also his fault
“This abduction was sponsored by Zeus!”
Zeus: Should’ve bought premium, *daughter*
XDXD
Oh my gosh. I think I'm literally dying. That is beautiful
Persephone: Well, premium comes with the offhand chance of being assaulted by you!
@@fanonymouse Hades: looks at her then to Zeus. Ummm so is that a no to being my wife-
Aphrodite in the corner shipping them like she always does.
I thought it was sponsored by Raid: Shadow Legends
So basically
Persephone: Babe, someone's talking shit, hold my flower
Hades: Go kick their ass baby, I got your flower
And she does. Without dropping her gentle demeanor. There's murderous rampage scary and then there's calm methodical savage destruction scary. Persephone is the latter
I love this
Awww so cute
@@marrie2126 yes
@@reyonXIII yep
Something clicked when I saw the Underworld referred to as the "House Of Hades", and now I need a fantasy story where Hades IS the Underworld and Persephone is its caretaker
Agreed.
Maybe even a courtroom drama where a mortal (let's say Orestes) proves that Hades is innocent and all the other gods (save for Athena, Eros, and Psyche) are guilty and the plot twist is that Persephone MADE Hades in a plant to thwart Zeus's conspiracy of dethroning Her from being the #1 god.
Basically, Persephone was the real underworld deity and Firstborn of Kronos, thus all would be hers in the end. Zeus (being the sexist rapist that he is) didn't like this, erased her memories, and shaped reality into one where he can bang whoever he wants. Fortunately, Persephone had a backup plan and, in her absence, Hades the very underworld itself was brought to life and started the whole kidnap plot to get the trial started. In the end Hades opts to go back to being unalive but Persephone tells him she loves him and they are married for real.
I think there was a comic book with that take.
Is that a fancy way of saying you want to see Persephone inside Hades?
There's probably a Percy Jackson fanfiction about that
In D&D, there is a plane called Hades, but it is only one of the many underworlds.
I am not entirely sure if Persephone rules it though.
"There was almost no difference between the stock pose for "Marriage" and the stock pose for "Kidnapping"."
_o no_
They were probably pretty much the same thing for the woman involved, consent-wise.
@@arigadatred5395 This is a disturbingly good point.
_Oh no_
_Oh no_
_Oh no no no no no_
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@@arigadatred5395 poor 9
Pop Culture: “One shudders to imagine what inhuman thoughts lie in the head of the king of the underworld... what dreams of chronic, and sustained cruelty...”
Hades, in reality: “I wanna be a good husband!”
Hades: "I want to name my dog spot and to have a good day in the underworld"
@@crawlingboy Skin game?
“Do you believe in magic?”
@@jeremytewari3346 Do you believe in gravity?
See he is clearly mad he wants stability and consent.- Zeus probably
In Greek schools we are taught that Hades is actually the most mature and wisest SON of Kronos. Zues is just the overpowered brat favoured by fate.
He is technically the eldest and just got the sorta shortest end of the stick when the brothers divided the realms.
Exactly he is the oldest and mature aniki
While zeus is the idiotic spoiled brat younger brother
There are interpretations where zeus cheated on the lot drawing
But since hades is lord of the underworld that means everything underground even under the ocean is his like all the riches and minerals so he is the richest dude
@@JuFated On the bright side, he gets a dmc 3 gatekeeper boss as a pet, rich with mineral, and gets good reputation from future scholars. What’s not to like.
@@JuFated Well, there's more earth under our feet than there is water in the ocean or air over our heads, and in the end everyone dies so in terms of pure volume Hades is actually the one in charge and everybody else is just splitting the tiny remainder. ;P
@@eclipserepeater2466 well back then the people didn't know that earth was that big :v the "underworld" is probably small
As a native German speaker I was so surprised about what a bad rep this story gets in the English speaking world. Mostly because the equivalent word that is used in German "Raub" still just refers to theft or robbery. So when you look at a title like "Der Raub der Perseophone" you just the implication that Hades "stole" her away from Demeter rather than the more horrible implication the English title of the myth points to at first glance.
Yeah. Stealing is a more accurate word for what happens.
To be fair, the word rape in this context does genuinely mean kidnap. The err other definition is actually more of a “modern meaning.”
Well technically he did steal her away
@@someonerandom8552 Yeah "rape" originally meant "forceful seizure" as seen in the title of the book "The Rape of the Lock" about someone cutting a lock of hair off of a woman's head.
@@someonerandom8552right! A simple digging shows that the word rape adopted the definition that we know of today as well as the misunderstanding of the story of Hades and Persephone in the late 14th century AD. No one wants to google anymore.
OK real talk here, having your ruler-of-the-underworld death goddess called just "The Mistress" who's real name is kept secret and is so frightful that namedropping her is inviting her presence is unironically metal as shit
I like that
Can't be more metal than Hades, the god of metals. Or I'm guessing that was your intent.
@@reyonXIII I thought Hephaestus was the god of metal considering he’s the blacksmith of the gods.
@@zanderblankenship3849 He just works with them. As the god of all things chthonic, meaning things of the earth, Hades is the god of all sources of metals.
Hades is the original composer, Hephaestus does the cover
@@reyonXIII Let's not knock it. What Hades produces is rich, but unrefined. Hades provides the raws. Hephaestus mixes a symphony.
Ahhh Hades. The God of Minding His Own Business.
🤣🤣🤣
Honestly. He’s content to do his job and spend time with his wife. Whatever tomfuckery his brothers get up to is not his business.
Hades: GREAT MORE PAPER WORK IT'S NOT LIKE WANT TO SEND TIME WITH MY WIFE AND KIDS NOPE I HATE MY FAMILY THANK GUYS I LOVE WORK
@@aprilsanders7092
Remember that time the Olympians decided to cause a global flood and kill off all of humanity save for a select few favorites of theirs, causing Lord Hades to be stuck to his ears in paperwork for several millennia in his attempts to account for the hundreds of thousands of unburied people?
God of "kindly GET OUT OF MY LAWN, please sir"
You can tell Persephone was a big frickin' deal because when they had to give her a husband, they gave her the only Olympian who drinks Respect Women Juice.
Specifically the only male Olympian who fits that description. The female Olympians seem to mostly be pretty good.
@@deanholderde5959 I mean hera and aphrodite are not the best
@@cawcaw508 Athena wasn't great to other women either. Well, depends whose version of the stories but Medusa and Arachne might have some opinions
If I am not mistaken, Aires is also one of the least rapey gods.
@@darkishphoenix yeah but there are more stories with hera and aphrodite screwing girls over and artemis made someone fall in love with a bear so let's just all agree that most of the olympians were dicks
I have a headcanon that immediately after Hades kidnapped Persephone, he was SUPER awkward. Like, “Ummm… Hi? I’m Hades… You’re very pretty… Wanna meet my dog?”
Persephone: dog? yes.
And that, as they say, was that.
He SA’d her in the original myth 💀
"I have a massive puppy with three heads"
I honestly have a head canon where is she also has some three headed plant to match Cerberus
I feel like Hades doesnt do anything because he doesnt need to do anything. No matter what, EVERYONE comes into his kingdom at some point or another, so he’s fine with just waiting.
i mean he knows how important his work is
He just chillin
He's super patient
Exactly
Patient :) very nice
Me before this video: Persephone is a pure cinnamon roll that loves her goth husband.
Me now: Hades is an emo nerd that loves his Lovecraftian wife.
Exactly!
Persephone is my ideal version of an angel. She looks and acts like the stereotypical beautiful winged humanoid kind -sweet, gentle, nice coz she prefers it that way ...but if pushed, she without dropping the gentle demeanor, will prove to be as frightening as any of them biblical angels.
As someone who works with Persephone: yes.
She is an actual dork though, just do not piss her off or you will very much so regret it!
They’re both goth emo nerds
... So, it needs to be said - every tine the word "Goth" is used I immediately have quasi-flashbacks to the sacking of Rome.
Also cathedrals and fluted armor.
But mostly Rome burning.
Why Hades is my favorite Greek god
1. Actually cares about his wife
2. Doesn't actively look for trouble
3. The only Greek god with a functional marriage
4. Has three headed dog
And the dog's name basically means "Spot".
@@rmyoung87 even better
5. He's probably the only God to have not raped someone.
Named spot
@@rmyoung87 lol, it really doesn't, do the research. Twitter is not factually correct
2:20 I read the Myth-O-Mania book series as a kid. Basically, it's a fictionalised retelling of the classic Greek myths, all from Hades' perspective. He starts by telling us how one day (modern times) he suddenly discovered our Greek myths, and started reading out of curiosity, hoping to relive the fun times. Instead, he finds Zeus has lied about almost everything, making himself seem perfectly good, while Hades has been villainised. So the series is Hades setting the record straight, according to him. Pretty fun read. And it follows the idea that him and Persephone's relationship was indeed consensual.
I read those books to! I loved them and Hades retelling of the big fat book of Greek myths lol
"What a load of horse shit! Who wrote this?!"
*Written by Zeus*
"I expected this, and I'm still let down."
They sound interesting
The funniest/saddest part about this is that Zeus rewriting everything to hype himself up is completely in-character for him to do.
There is close of it version by Bellarussian author Elena (Steeless) Hades, beloved of Fate (beloved more in negative connotation or closer to "pet"). I reccomend to read it. Maybe it is not accurate but I did love it. Only it has a lot of cultural jokes.
Persephone: *Scary as heck when she gets pissed*
Hades to Poseidon: She's so cute when she gets pouty!
Poseidon: *side-eyeing a mint plant* ... bruh.
Persephone: *turns into/spawns in some kind of eldritch abomination*
Hades, with heart-eyes: "You're so beautiful!"
Hermes: THE F**K DO YOU SEE IN HER!?
Zeus : Only her doting husband knows. She gets her temper from Demeter.
@@thefirstofthelastones8952 Hades: Potential
Didn't understand the reference, scrolled down two comments and there was the mint myth 😂
I like to think that Hades is attracted to Persephone because she's absolutely terrifying and he sees that as 'cute'.
I love this
This is cannon and you can't change my mind about it
Yes
Okay who started typing I know somebody's going to write a fanfic of this
@@anarchomando7707 body I've been wanting too
Sitting here realizing that Hades and Persephone are like a divine cthonic Gomez and Morticia.
That right there is the perfect analogy and how i will imagine them from now on.
@@benjaminlammertz64 Literally came to say this lol
Yes that's how it works
🤣OH MY GOSH YES🤣!!
Thank you.
"(Zeus and Hera's marriage) is so far from consensual."
I finally found this myth.
Holy shit are you not kidding.
Well that myth really makes no sense since they already knew each other so I choose to believe it didn't happen
Zeus solid snake's himself into Hera's chambers as a bird and then transforms like "Surprise butt sex!"
Odysseus would later do the same thing with the Trojan horse, only without the bird and the "surprise butt sex" happens all over Troy during its sacking.
Yah- I berly know it but HOLLY FLUK?!?!
“Even your favorite”
My favorite is Hestia and she doesn’t exist enough to do anything bad.
that is her missdeed, we needed a japanese lightnovel that barely follows the mythos it references, in order to remember that she exists
@@LiveErrors What light novel?
Hestia is bestia
Hestia is best Greek goddess.
@@alexandermayro7145 Is it wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon?
Speaking of Hades and Persephone not cheating on each other, a nymph once tried to seduce Hades, but was squashed into the dirt by Persephone. That nymph was named Minthe, and the plant she became is mint.
😝 😂 hahahaha
Ok but how do you Explain Adonis?
Refreshing
Really? I saw her in lore olympus I never knew she was real
There was another one right?
Hades comes up behind Persephone petting two of Cerberus' heads while crying.
"Persephone, what is wrong, why are you crying?" Hades asks urgently
And she turns to him and weeps, "I don't have enough hands to pet them all!"
And like... I could just see Hades dropping what he's doing and petting his dog with his wife for a while.
This is the most adorable thing I've ever read and I want somebody to draw it *NOW*
Is that a Punderworld reference?
@@cramerfloro5936 No. I have never heard of punderworld.
@@zebrin then I highly suggest you do! It can be found on Webtoons and Deviantart, and it pictured exactly your thought image!
I like that this issue is subverted in the game Hades by the explanation that only one of Cerberus's heads likes pets, and the other two will supposedly bite at you if you try to pet them
Zeus: Hades, guess what! We all pitched together and graciously decided to get you a girl!
Hades: oh my gosh, that’s amazing! Where is she?
Zeus: in the trunk
Persephone: help me! Get me out of here!
Hades: Wha-you kidnapped Kore?! That’s illegal!
Aphrodite: but, Hades. What’s more illegal? Briefly inconveniencing Demeter’s daughter, or getting you laid?
Hades: KIDNAPPING KORE, APHRODITE!
Zeus: Hades, listen, whatever I may think of you right now, you need a queen and you have a crush. The Greek gods are counting on you
Hades: what? To-to kidnap people?
Zeus: to work together
Hades: TO KIDNAP PEOPLE?!
Eros: Lord Hades, we all agreed that us gods are above a people
Poseidon, dealing with sea politics: Y'all hear smth?
Hades: ....It's days like this that I miss being in dad's stomach...
@@jordanloux3883 Poseidon: Hey, do you remember when we were one god, you and I? When we were the head god? Good times...
Demeter: *bursts in* WHERE'S MY DAUGHTER!?!
Hera: Zeus what did you do this time?
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Zeus:...oh no.
Later,the underworld
Hades:fuck fuck FUCK fuck FUUUUUUUCK! This is bad this is really bad!
Kore:... are you ok?
Hades: considering what zeus did, not really! Ok...fuck...
Thanatos:and that's about what i heard that time
Zagreus:huh. So father when he was younger had a lot of anxiety?
Than:yep.
Hades: "Hey Zeus, there's this goddess I like and I have no idea how to get her to pay attention to me. Got any advice?"
Zeus: "Just kidnap her lol."
Hades: "Zeus it's Persephone. You know, your *daughter* ?"
Zeus: "Okay, you have my *permission* to kidnap her."
Hades: "And you're sure Demeter won't mind?"
Zeus: "I'm the king of the gods, what could happen?"
Demeter: *ANGRY WINTER NOISES*
Hades: "I knew I shouldn't have gotten advice from cheater supreme." -_-
hrtghjopo[piuyfdesedrfytguhjokiuy7otirudecjfvhgbl;oji876 jlj that the noise of Zeus getting murdered by demeter
@@aprilsanders7092 Meh, it was long over due.
@@djktsjytej honestly, yea it was
That cracked me up
Khione did the winter, Demeter just didn't let plants grow.
Everyone learn from Hades’s mistake: do not take advice from your younger siblings
Exactly especially the one that turns to animals to bang girls
@@crawlingboy yeah, that’s not exactly the best love coach to listen to
You know, if he just asked Hestia I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have had anywhere near this much trouble.
@@morganrobinson8042 Totally true!
@@morganrobinson8042 Hestia probably would’ve made a good life coach
Zeus Marriages: Last as long as a knife at 1000 degrees through butter
Hades: NOKIA PHONE
Now before anybody starts a war in the reply section adonis was persephone adopted son no more no less the whole persephone cheated thing was something that Ovid made up and before anybody say's that hades cheated leuce is a Roman exclusive myth that doesn't exist in greek mythology and minthe is hades jealous ex who got turned into a plant after claiming to be better than persephone
As dysfunctional as it may be. Zeus has only had 1 marriage, and is going strong.
And Persephone didn't get the chance to cheat on Hades with her adoptive son Adonis before he was brutally mangled by a boar. Yeah, I read Mohammed's comment, I am just that rebellious.
@@PropiaRealidad Actually, Hera was Zeus’s second wife. He absorbed his first wife (the titaness Rhea I believe), which gave him all the knowledge and wisdom of the world, and led to the birth of Athena after he literally smashed his head open. The reasoning was it was prophesied Rhea would give birth to a god more cunning than Zeus who could threaten his status as King of the gods. Add on top of that the fact Rhea was the whole reason Zeus was able to supplant Kronos in the first place, and yeah, while arguably not on par of his exploits with mortals later, it’s not like Zeus had a reputation of treating the women who he loved with any sort of respect or decency to begin with.
EDIT: I was wrong, Metis was the titaness I was thinking of and she and Zeus were not married. MB.
@@nxdiaz5916 The one you mentioned above is Metis, not Rhea. And they were not technically married, he had an affair with her and after that he absorbed her because he was paranoid that her child would overthrow him.
Now now don't pick on the psychopaths of ancient Greeks especially when said psycho bludgeoned their wet nurse to death before using their skin to depose of a pretty decent guy who other then locking away his kids in an alternative universe because of one of his brothers assery hadn't done much bad.
hades: oh, i hope no one dies, that would make my job worst
persephone: minthe tea
Hades: what?!
Persephone: *slowly sips minthe tea* "Good stuff."
That's a new version. About as accurate as the "Satan Hades" bias. It's just more crap being thrown at them by modern historians.
I love that half this comment section is mostly making short fanfics about their relationship and the other half is actually talking about the video (also nice pfp)
Me as a child: Hades is a horrible god
Me as a adult: Hades is a literally the absolute fairest god you could ask for, great husband to his wife and a brow beaten account of dead people and the least problematic and drama-free god
Zeus in the Disney movie Hercules: (Is a noble person that loves his family.)
Zeus in Greek Mythology: I'm legally required to do the Sex Offender Shuffle!
Like seriously. He went and asked the dad's permission when he spotted a girl he liked instead of, I dunno, turning into a swan. The bar is low but stilll
The irony level is off the charts
I know right
Hades has 2 rapes under his belt. Plus he did kidnap Persephone in the first place
What people think Persephone is like:
Innocent flower girl
What she’s actually like:
She who shall not be named
My favorite interpretations are when it’s both at the same time
@@sergeantsmilo4231 Adorifying
@@sergeantsmilo4231 Creepy Cute. I love it. :)
Does she have a nose?
@@kusaisama that’s a good question
*Demeter* : It’s just horrible how someone would take my child and do god knows what to them without my consent.
*The baby she’s currently setting on fire* : Goo?
*Demeter* : See, you get me Demophon
*looks at Leo from HoO* Well that explains a lot...
Hahahahahaha
She was trying to make him immortal, but yeah.
I love this way to much 😂
@@thewritingreference2629 And Hades was trying to have a happy marriage. Consent and communication with their family is important.
Would you ever consider doing a video about Demeter? Because it seems like there's an annoying tendency for people to, in order to legitimize Hades and Persephone, characterize Demeter as a horrible mother whom Persephone was glad to escape, which is... so far from the truth.
(Edit: Holy shit that's a lot of thumbs up, I thought this comment was going to get lost in the comments section how did this happen XD)
She wasn't a bad mother, but she was just a smidgen too overprotective and smothering towards her favorite daughter
@@thedragonwarrior5861 That's modern-day reinterpretations, the classic myths make no mention of Demeter as an overbearing mother and actually portray her as a wronged individual whose child was taken and didn't even have the chance to say goodbye to her (something even mortal women at the time were allowed, there was always a transition period for brides to say goodbye to friends and family to make things easier) or make sure she was happy with everything, she was told to just accept it because she couldn't change anything because Zeus said so and she'd never see Persephone again. She does what she does because it's the only thing she could do to exert power in an otherwise powerless situation and the only thing that would possibly make the other gods listen to her. And in the end, while the arrangement still makes her sad, she is happy to at least get half a year with her because she knows it was better than the alternative, and she is satisfied when Persephone tells her herself that she is happy and doesn't have to hear people condescendedly talk down to her about Persephone's situation.
@@Floweramon my bad
@@Floweramon This myth, yes. But, there is a key part in the Myth of Zagreous. Persephone gets perused by multiple gods, including Apollo, Ares, and I believe Hermes. This leads to Demeter going full lockdown mode and hiding Persephone in a cave with dragons and more guarding her. That’s a little overkill I’d say. Hades finds out because caves connect to underworld and from there we get the little god.
Now does this make her wrong for wanting her daughter back when stolen from her? No, she has every right to be. No matter if she was over protective of her daughter, that doesn’t mean she’s wrong to be angered when Zues gives her daughter away without a word to her. But it’s not like it’s not in keeping with the myth for her to be overprotective or want keep her daughter forever.
I think a good compromise is to have a legit reason for her to be worried or controlling. Good example for me is Lore Olympus. She has legitimate reason to hate Hades so she disapproves of him, and is protective of her daughter because there legit are multiple people trying to use her for their own power. Is Demeter overly protective? Yes. Is her fear warranted? Oh definitely. You can show someone being wrong without them being bad.
@@thedragonwarrior5861 lmao I feel you
What's scarier than God of the Underworld and Supreme Ruler of the Dead?
HIS WIFE.
Same goes for Zeus and Hera if you think about it🤔
I love this description.
Absolutely, a friend of mine said her name and was hanged for theft some time afterward ☠
Hades isn't even that scary
@@ave8685 Nope, he's just Gloomy.
Everyone says Hades is evil, when Hades is the only one who doesn't cheat on his wife, and he is, in fact, ONLY DOING HIS JOB!
People forget that Hades while the ruler of the underworld is basically the manager/admin of the place, THANATOS is the legit god of death and peaceful death at that! Hades is literally that guy who is the regional manager of a company with a cute wife and a dog (and their kid Zagerus, he's actually canon as he is in myth either as an aspect of Dionysus or as the son of hades and Persephone the telling vary because greek mythology be whack and retconning shit all over the place)
@@jaderotaski1 well I mean... less manager and more ruler of the largest kingdom to ever exist and ever will exist (considering the place gets thousands of new residents every day and never loses any)
@@meme0taker87 I mean you ain't wrong XD
@KØI_Flow and even then he got screwed into the position by Zeus
Minthe and Leuce : 👀👀👀👀👀
Ah, Mythology: the only place where your father is your uncle, your mother is your aunt, your uncle is your husband, your niece is your wife, your brother is your son-in-law, your siblings are your parents-in-law, your parents are your siblings-in-law, your step mother is your aunt, your uncles and aunts are your siblings-in-law, your half-sister is your aunt, your half-siblings and cousins are your nephews and nieces, your half brother is a horse; and nothing it's weird at all...
This so the most accurate summary of Greek mythology that I have seen oml
You have practically described the family history of the Habsburgs, or of almost any royal dynasty in Europe or Egypt.
Their family tree is a cork-board with thumbtacks and red string.
You just defied Alabama and Arkansas
I meant defined
I think a lot of people in this day and age miss the really significant point that the kidnapping/rape of Persephone story is most likely an allegory for the ancient traditional practice of fathers arranging for their daughters to be married to an older man within the family, such as an uncle, that way the father's property which would be inherited by the son-in-law through their marriage would stay within the family, making it easier to accumulate wealth over generations down the family line. And when the girl married, she would go from living with her parents to living with her husband and his family and would be pretty cut off socially from other women, especially from her mother. This caused a lot of grief for mothers and their daughters, as they wouldn't be allowed to see each other very often after marriage. And this common grief was preserved in this myth that simultaneously "explained" the seasons. At least, this is a common interpretation/theory.
Hades is literally the uncle of Persephone aka Kore, and seems to be a stand-in representing the arranged husband/uncle, so it totally makes sense that in earlier versions if Hades didn't exist, Poseidon would have a prominent role instead! So fascinating how myths change and evolve depending on the societies telling those stories and how their social and legal customs function, for instance how in the modern day West where the custom of arranged marriages to older men aren't all that common, the Hades x Persephone dynamic has kind of become like...a spicy fantasy in fanfic and romance novels with more female empowerment, rather than an allegory for how patriarchal societies function and how they affect the women involved, haha. That's not a bad thing, that's just how mythology works and it's neat.
I had no idea about the Despoina pseudonym or how that might point to earlier evolutions of Persephone/Kore/Despoina being quite so "dread", even though I knew about the epithet, I just foolishly assumed it was a perfunctory epithet that came with being generally associated with the Underworld. Really interesting!
You forgot to mention a very cool detail about our homegirl: she turned homewrecker Minthe into a plant.
Again I would love to see jealous Persephone
Not just any plant, specifically mint, which was apparently used to brew a psychoactive compound used in the Eleusinian mysteries. It's all coming full circle.
And mint is now also used by nervous people on a first date, pickup artists, and bed hoppers and/or home-wreckers. Very full circle,
Persephone also stomped the shit out of the plant after
@@doopdoopdopdop7424, it is also the best ice cream flavor. >_>
Hades: *monotone* "I like... death."
Persephone: *lights up* "OMG! I like death too!" *HUGS* "Now let go back to your place and watch entropy slowly destroy everything your brothers love."
Hades: *smiles* "OK."
how to sum up hades and persephones myth:
Fuckin metal
This comment is so underrated
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Fr 😂
Hercules:"Come on, just let me pass on the underworld, just this time. You are my uncle!"
Hades:"Yours and half of the Greece!"
Must be so weird to see half of the ghost that pass through to be his nieces and nephews. Can't tell if that is dark humor or sad humor.
I like to imagine there’s a lineup of Zeus and Poseidon’s kids demanding to talk to their uncle and a shade just telling them that he’s not a family man, especially for such a messy one
@@adeleaslan8182 he actually had a few children
@@mohammedyousef4005 when I say family I mean the ones outside his healthy one
@@adeleaslan8182 well it's not like that circle is very big
I like how she did Hades's reaction to everyone dying: "Oh balls, thats not good, yeah persephone go back to your mom."
God i love this channel
"Not MORE paper work!!!"
Why’s no one talking about the art? Red really outdid herself this episode on the gods and their auras contrasting with the others, particularly with the full screen art of Hades with his laurel
I just saw that and it is Gorgeous! Making him look like a desirable husband
I was just thinking about how much I love her art style, and how the status and power of deities is presented so well with the auras, monochrome style and the eyes. And even the little details, like Demeter retaining some green in her eyes even when disguised...
Sometimes I just watch the videos for the art, even if I don't necessarily care about the myth in question
Reds art is probably my favorite depiction of quite a few gods
And the soundtrack is _insane_
You’re right! Red’s artwork is great. The way she draws the gods conveys so much personality.
Fun fact: Ares is the only god with no rape stories. In fact he killed Poseidon’S son for raping is daughter.
good guy ares
Angy but good
Angy, but lawful angy
I think it was attempted but he stopped him in time...by killing him. And was put on trial for it. Ares is the best.
I mean, his moral position isn't _perfect_ either, what with the whole affair with Aphrodite and all, but yeah, thumbs up for taking consent seriously
Dread Persephone: taking "married to her job" so literally that said job straight up personifies into an Olympian, whose primary character trait is "loves Persephone."
Do note that Hades isn't an Olympian.
@@superpeanutcrusade9208 The Olympians are 12 gods, of which Hades isn't one of them.
@@superpeanutcrusade9208 Hades doesn't live in the Olympus
@@superpeanutcrusade9208 Zeus, Hera, Ares, Dionysus, Athena, Apollo, Hermes, Poseidon, Artemis, Hephaestus, Aphrodite, and Demeter are all Olympians, Hades is absent from the list.
@@superpeanutcrusade9208 Whoops, edited it to have the correct number. I forgot Aphrodite.
One of my friends is a total mythology nerd and he has ensured we're very aware that Hades was a pretty chill dude compared to his siblings and extended family. Now Poseidon on the other hand, I will always have a personal hatred for
Plot twist! Poseidon and Hades were the same deity all along! Kind of! Maybe!
Why Poseidon?
Edit: I really did not know mythology that well 8 months ago
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Poseidon: All of the hedonism, nonconsensual mortal banging, demented levels of misery inflicted in the name of revenge, and daddy issues of Zeus... With none of the widespread hatred. Poseidon deserves his own league of haters
I’m with you there for hating Poseidon, but I’m adding Zeus to that list.
I never cared much to have an opinion on those two until I had to do a family tree for all the named characters in “The quest for the Golden Fleece”, Zeus and Poseidon are the reason I could do that and I want to strangle them for it
I still believe I wouldn’t have had to make a family tree of roughly 70 people if it wasn’t for those two
@@NotMe-vx4vl Well, apparently his r/p3 game isn't that strong so Caenis one of his many victims wishes to be a man so that she will never suffer through such a traumatic event again. And Poseidon likes to torture sea adventurers based on his many moods.
Not that this entire video isn’t astoundingly captivating, but describing Hades as “the firstborn son of Cronus. The world is his by birth rite and though there is a delay, all become his subject eventually” is so metal and I love it
So out of all three brothers, Poseidon is the one who got the short end of the stick
I know right? The picture to accompany that line just sends chills down my back.
@@user-xq4py3fq2y Middle Brother Syndrome
@@user-xq4py3fq2y not really, everything that moves in and upon all bodies of water(remember what makes up most of the planet?)Are subject to his domain, he’s also a god of storms and can bring about earthquakes hence the title “earth shaker”
I mean Poseidon got 70% of the world, so it not that short
"If the mortal is lucky..."
*shows picture of Cassandra*
Yeah, not exactly lucky. But it could be much, *MUCH* worse
Weeelll when you consider what COULD have happened it’s actually very clean in terms of Olympian relationships
Oh you're here too.
I mean atleast she wasn't turned into a plant
Eeeeeyyyy it's Jack! :D
Hades: "I know I kidnapped you but your dad said I could and I love you"
Persephone: "that's okay it's warm and you have a big dog, I think I'm gonna stay"
Helios should have told Demeter "Its Hades you should be worried for. There is a reason no one wants to summons your daughter. Go and make sure she doesnt traumatize the guy."
Man it sucks that the only respectful god who is loyal to his wife and doesn’t fall in love with every other mortal girl is the most hated. I feel bad for him :(
Yeah, but at the very least James Woods does a hell of a job voicing him. If you're gonna be portrayed as an asshole, might as well be a quality one.
Also he ain't hated so much on his personality or character but more like he represents death and the average human is scared shitless of death and as such why would they want to deal with him.
@@sirgalahad2 Not like he necessarily decides if or how you die. He's just in charge of the place everyone goes to after after they do. One would think people would appease the guy who owns the property you're going to eventually move to in hopes of better accommodations and not be stuck next to your overbearing mother-in-law who constantly ridicules you for not making enough to own a palace she can move into.
@@sirgalahad2 Hades doesn’t represent death, Thanatos does. Hades is just the king of the afterlife.
@@katherine_queen5294 Hades may not explicitly be the god of death but he is ascosiated with the inevitable and in a way he does represent it.
Hades: * is the only Greek deity that loves his wife, doesn’t cheat, does gummy is job well and doesn’t go out of his way to cause drama, and is the only one that doesn’t rape mortal women for no reason*
The rest of the pantheon: weird but okay
Modern day peeps: SATAN
If hades is satan we could use some more satan in our lives.
Bringing Obama into this was a weird flex, but okay.
Actually, he did cheat only twice though (At least there’s only two famous one). Minthe (Later on became the Mint plant we know and Leuce (A white tree in the underworld, pretty sure). Still better than other gods tho.
Basically hades had a couple of bad dates and said I love my wife too much
@@kxqinny8813 Minthe was in some versions transformed by Persephone to get her to bugger off. Leuce probably met a similar fate. And whether they threw themselves at her husband or he tried it and failed is another question. Regardless, no bastard children of Hades and the victim of the week.
So... what you're saying is that Hades is Persephone's trophy husband with the awesome dog?
Exactly that 😂
Yes
Why does this sound like the plot of a greek themed femenist movie?
Then again he is kind of that way in the cartoon tv series class of titans. Its good I recommend it. I wasn't sure of the way they represented hades at first but it grew on me thier a cute couple.
THIS. THIS IS WHAT I LIKE TO SEE
We need a retelling of the "pastel-goth love story" where Hades is the pastel and Persephone is the goth 😆
With them, story can be telled both ways and thats beautiful
Now hold on, goth colours don’t deny pastels, for they’re beautiful and fleeting. They tend to dirty, but the soiling is quite a “beauty of destruction” kind of vibe. So pastel goth needn’t be two vibes, but one vibe.
Hades has the only stable relationship and named his three headed dog Spot
How can you hate this guy?
He just loves his wife and dog and just wants to do his job
He barely annoys mortals as long as they do not try to do something to mess with the underworld
He is lawful good
Good boi good boi
Good boi
You can't hate Hades. You just can't.
Also Hades is drawn most adorably out of the big three in Red’s videos so...
"As first born son of Kronos, the world was his by birthright"
This is such a cool part of his characterization, and I hate it's not explored more in the mythos. I know Hades seems like the guy who wouldn't make a fuss about it, but still...
Always took it that Hades knew his brothers cheated him. But since someone had to do it, he made the best out of his time in the Underworld.
His brothers cheated him but he actually got the better deal. Everyone is his in the end, the seas will eventually dry up and the skies will eventually burn but there will always be an underworld. He is kind of the universe because he will outlast everyone else. That is super fucking metal.
In one version of the myth Hades actually intentionally becomes King of The Underworld, simply because he (wisely) doesn't trust Zeus or Poseidon to do the job properly.
So there's also that... neat.
Also the fact that the underworld isn’t hell, its actually a beautiful place decked with diamonds and jewels. Tartarus is actually hell, why did you think the titans were sent there? Also, a depiction of heaven is in the underworld too which is what the mortals call “Paradise” since only respected deities,greek heroes, or kind nobles go there, thats where Rhea(Titaness and Hades mother) is.
@@TheEman11910 no there wouldn't be since if the seas and sky are gone then humanity as a whole will also be gone and without humans the underworld is kinda pointless and would probably also disapear since death is a human thing without it it can't function properly and looses its purpose it'll probably just dissapear along with humanity or at least abandonded and empty Hades would also lose his job as his entire thing is looking after dead people
Doesn’t Hades rip open the earth to kidnap Persephone? Sounds like something Poseidon the ‘Earthshaker’ would do. I’m totally down to believe they used to be one god.
It depends on which telling you’re reading. Sometimes Hades kidnaps her, sometimes she wanders down there by herself, sometimes the ground is ripped open to do said kidnapping, etc.
@@rhinopoley She literally says that the oldest version we have has Hades rip the ground open.
My main hypothesis like that is Pandora also used to have a jar of weal, since there's a *pair* of jars in the Iliad, one of weal and one of woe. But Hesiod, black-piller that he was, conveniently wrote that one out, so he could blame everything wrong with the world on women
she already covered where Poseidon's origins come from in a previous video, can't remember off the top of my head, but basically, he was a Chthonic king of the gods which included deaths from earthquakes since that was the "cthonic" part, which is just all the deaths caused from one massive calamity, hence the name earthshaker despite being a god of the ocean. Hades was already his own entity I believe? even if just a very minor one, but I also think he was instead handed the role of kind of the underworld from the original poseidon... i just don't think they were the one and the same god at this point but that's just my theory
Well they were always different gods, even in the mycanaean age, but they were more revered for their earthshaker things, as earth gods were mostly very important in mycanaean mythos. Poseidons earthshaker epithet was also what got him the gig of ruling the underworld. Zeus, for example, did exist but wasn’t really as important, as he was a sky god rather than a chthonic (earth) god. But Poseidon and Hades were as far as I know never one and the same deity like Hermes and Pan were.
Reading some of the Greek myths, I’ve noticed that when a hero goes into the Underworld, Persephone is there. Theseus, Orpheus, Odysseus, and Hercules mention that Persephone is in the Underworld. Either 1. All Greek heroes apparently only visit Hades in winter.
Or 2. Persephone is a Queen of the dead, of course she is going to be there when the heroes appear.
The idea of Persephone having been thought of as a queen of the dead is also supported in that, there aren’t many myths about her NOT being in the Underworld. The beginning of the abduction myth is the only example I am aware of. (If there is one with her being out of the Underworld feel free to let me know.) Of course that doesn’t mean there might have been a myth once that had Persephone out of the Underworld, but that’s not the impression I’m getting from the general mythos.
The biggest lie that Disney ever told was that Zeus has a happy "family man" XD
Trueeeeee
More like a man of many families
Hades is the only happy family man
@@strawberry_silk3364 him and Eros
I mean? technically its true, he has alot of families!
Broke: Hades, Dreaded King of the Dead and his cute wife, Persephone.
Woke: Persephone, Dreaded Queen of the Dead and her cute husband Hades.
ascended: Hades & Persephone dreaded rulers of the dead and their cute pet Cerbere
And their dog, Spot.
Look up Galadriel and her husband
Basically that dynamic.
I can see where Gomez and Morticia got their idea of a loving couple from, though to be fair, they do love the macabre, and nothing says macabre like the Greek Underworld
house husband hades anyone
yall remember that time a nymph named minthe tried to seduce hades so persephone trampled her and destroyed her turning her into the plant we know today as mint? cool shit.
Looking forward to that episode of _Lore Olympus_
@@nunyobidniz be honest, we're looking forward to *every* episode of Lore Olympus
@@gman1515 I kinda get mad at the story now bc of how much I feel they’ve misinterpreted and done that feels wierd to how the story is. I do think it very cute tho and do still love the story as it is, but the history part of my does backflips for no reason
So that’s what’s in my peppermint paddies, huh.
@@onebilliontacos3405 York PepperThot Patties, as it were.
I like to think Hades and Persephone being equal in power is representative on how death is the great equalizer. Everyone is destined to fall under their domain in time, regardless of gender, age, or class
It’s kinda funny that Ares, the god everyone hates, is the only one who doesn’t have any myths about being horrible to women. He was even the father of the Amazons.
Not was he is the father of the amazons and he gets amazing character developement when he becomes mars and is a good dad to his son romulus
Unlike how jerky zeus was with ares
Another thing is that there’s actually a myth where Ares straight up kills one of Poseidon’s sons for trying to rape his daughter
@@joyramirez7518 He was dragged into trial and was acquitted because everyone who agreed with him were the goddesses and other female divine beings who outnumbered the dudes who all wanted him to be punished xD.
There was the whole thing about being Aphrodite's main cheating partner, but that's more on her than him, even if sleeping with your brother's wife is a dick move.
Not to mention he’s a way better father then Zeus.
Hades: *is actually faithful to his wife, keeps his promises and deals, and is basically the most mature male Olympian
Hollywood: And you’re the villain!
Imagine being faithful to your wife and giving her attention and actual power to what was originally just yours
-this post was made by the Ancient Greek gang
Honestly this could be said to say a lot about the way Hollywood thinks especially about relationships
And they're still confused why no one respects them?
Most? I think you mean Only
It really makes me wonder how many stories are affected by Christianity and other major religions. That’s why to me ancient stories like those of Egypt are so fascinating.
The sad part is Hades isn't an Olympian but a ruler of chthonic deity.
As a woman in ancient greece you usually had 2 options:
1. You get impregnated by a god and then chased to death by monsters, other gods and/or your own child
2. There is no second option
I mean, there's the "your story isn't told" option. And there are your occasional Arachnes and Atalantas, of course, but they're notable because of their rarity.
What about the Cult of Artemis option?
Umm... What about Penelope, queen of Itaca?
I know this is the exception, not the norm.
You could marry a hero. Tends to go similarly to the god thing but you might get lucky, like Penelope or Andromeda.
Truth be told, the game was rigged from the start.
Demeter: My brother gave some guy the go-ahead to kidnap my daughter.
Ameterasu: Mine threw a dead horse into my living room.
Demeter: ...It's not a contest.
Frigg:“Am I the only Queen of the gods in a healthy relationship?”
@@firemarioproductions2003 GOW Odin: *monkey puppet meme*
@matthewmccoyd2578 Tyr: We're talking about the actual mythology, not the games
@@dreademperor2094 Understandable, have a nice day.
@matthewmccoyd2578 Tyr: Okay, who let GOW Odin in the room?
It is interesting how Hades himself probably didn't exist before the Greek Dark Age, but later he is the Kronos's first-born and the world belongs to him by birthright. Talk about a grand entrance.
That might just be a nice little parallel between Greek, Christian and Egyptians. Hades, Osiris, Christ all showing up as firstborn sons of their religion's greatest deities and all three just happen to have connections with the underworld. It might have been that all three were affecting each other in the same way but with different after-effects later down the road.
and he also gets the pre-existing queen of the underworld as his wife
hades is a mary sue
@@MysticKenji2 No, he has a character flaw.
He asked *Zeus* of all people for romantic advice.
Kinda like Hela's entrance in Thor: Ragnarok
Its possible that proto greeks had the younger son inherit the throne. We see that constantly in their gods. The youngest son of Chaos, Ouranos, is usurped by his youngest son, Kronos, is usurped by his youngest son Zeus.
"Even if there is a bit of delay, everyone becomes a subject eventually" is such a banger line
If only hades knew he could impress persephone with that line instead of going to Zeus for romantic advice
@@justaname4136 younger goth bro goes to his older jock bro for romantic advice. The result: Kidnapping instead of poetry.
@@TheSimmus but Hades is older😂
@@gbohunmibaloriogun90 shoot your right! Um...
Sophisticated older bro turning to his womanzing younger bro to ask how to impress a woman.
"Tell me, Zeus, how can I convey my feelings, win her over and steal her heart?"
"Just steal *her* !"
@@TheSimmus
Hades: How do you go about "picking up the ladies", brother?
Zeus: Literally pick them up! Steal them...😈
So: Even the "worst" thing Hades ever did (kidnaping Persefone) was really Zeus Idea... Sounds about right.
the worst thing he ever did to Persephone was trick her into eating a fruit that
made her return to the underworld for a third of the year because he was scared
that she would never come back, but compare that to all the other fates that
had bestowed on all the other god's mistresses and wives it really is a good deal
and hades actually loves and respects her. Hell she probably would've returned
to hades even without the need of the fruit because she really did like him, she literally
crushed a nymph to death the minute it tried to seduce hades, they love each other.
What about the time when he tied down Theseus and Pirthous to a couple of chairs with snakes for trying to kidnap Persephone?
@@bluelightstudios6191 y u type like that
@@h0m3st4r i feel like Hades' response "binding them to a chair in hell for eternity" to people trying to kidnap his wife in his own home while he's there is kinda justified.
@@azekiel2114 A fair point, considering that those were the only two people whose lives he ever messed up.
The original version of Persephone is basically the Great Mother, which makes her something like Nyx, which is why she's so scary. like, even-Zeus-is-going-to-run-away scary.
Given what you said, itd say it’s likely enough, that she and nyx were infact the same goddess at one point, it’s just nyx got specialized and spreate form them.
Do you have any extra information that I can read about that? These things are interesting.
@@jime5499I don’t really know what the original commenter is talking about, but I do know there was atleast one very uncommon version of the creation myth, where Persephone creates humans, and Zeus and Gaia have a contest with her, they win, and it’s decided that they get the humans in life and Persephone gets them in death
Hades: *has an incredibly functional relationship with his wife, especially considering the intensely patriarchal time frame*
Historians: Literal satan????
Sometimes historians have a BuzzFeed moment
Pandora's the opposite. Hesiod's version, which is the only surviving one, is *insanely* misogynistic, but historians gloss over that. Although I do specify *Hesiod's*, because there are arguments for the existence of a previous, less misogynistic version.
Welcome to Christianity, boys and girls. "All of your gods are really just our god, you just didn't know it. Except...um...that one. Yeah, that one. He's actually Satan and will now forever be associated with evil whether you like it or not, or we'll kill you and tell everyone we were just purifying your soul. Also, all of your holy days are now ours. See ya!"
Man, when you put it like that it actually makes _more_ sense. Of course the religion that says Eve was created from part of a man (for varying reasons, ranging from very to not at all misogynistic) and is responsible for plucking the apple, would demonize a god who treats a woman as a person and not an object.
@@Jikkuryuu Actually, Genesis is extremely tame compared to Hesiod. Genesis has man and woman being created at the same time, and even uses a word (ezer) to describe Eve that's typically reserved for divine help. Meanwhile, Hesiod alleges an entire all-male utopia before the creation of woman, and that woman was specifically created as a punishment for Prometheus having stolen fire
Everyone's talking about Hades loving Persephone because she's secretly terrifying, which gives me the headcanon that Persophone, as goddess of the spring created the damaging, deadly or carnivorous plants like nettles, nightshade and venus flytraps.
You know what they say about Mother Nature.
@@Silverwind87 she's an absolute bi- *thunderclap*
As someone who gets allergies that last from about march until mid-august, I completely agree with the greeks making someone connected to spring pull a double shift as the queen of the underworld.
Now I'm imagining Persephone coming back to the underworld with a bouquet of Hemlock, Nightshade and maybe a couple Venus Fly Traps.
Ah nettles, the most surprisingly terrifying plant of all. If you want a fun time, figure out where nettles get most of their nutrients from, it'll blow your mind.
The most stable and functional relationship amongst the Greek gods: one where the couple only see each other for about a third of each year.
Well they do say absence makes the heart grow fonder
There's an even better one, albeit they give birth to monsters.
Typhon and Echidna.
You gotta have a good and stable relationship when you have a long distance relationship for a good portion of the year
Long-distance relationships can work --Hades
Sometimes half!
You know this make sense if you see this myth on three purposes:
1. Explaining the season
2. Grief of a mother
3. A death goddess's origin story, like how Zeus was born, but there is a whole myth on how he became king and retains being king.
The only problem I have with this video, is that when censoring Poseidon's genitalia, they used a dolphin emoji instead of an orca. C'mon guys, it's a "free willy" dammit. The pun is so obvious, you can't not make it.
Ha
As a Night Attack fan I like to think it’s a reference to Fapper the dolphin.
but bottle nose tho
Well dolphins are super rapey so it still actually works.
Dolphins are r*pists tho...it works
WAY DOWN HADESTOWN. WAY DOWN UNDER THE GROUND
A legend has entered the chat
Hadestown rules
"You're early"
"I missed yah"
@@luthientinuviel3883 Why does that line give me chills every time
@@luthientinuviel3883 Mr. Hades is a mighty king
For anyone curious about how Zeus and Hera shacked up: Zeus tried seducing her but she didn't want him, he disguised himself as an injured swan to get her to drop her guard, and then he raped her. The marriage was because Hera was the goddess of family and would only lay with her husband, and due to said rape that ends up being Zeus. What a great guy. I'm going to replay God of War 3 just to beat him to death again.
He does the swan thing a lot, doesn't he?
That was such a satisfying end to a fantastic boss fight.
@@DariusKetchum2010 He changes into many animals to rape women. He transformed into a bear and raped one of Artemis's hunters and got her pregnant.
@@alexandralugo1743 wait even Artemis' hunters? Zeus YOU HAVE A WIFE! What does wife even mean to him? "Sentient fleshlights"?
@@LucasSantos-ss6ou true. But that still leaves the question. What does wife mean to him?
Something tells me Persephone and Hades roles were similar enough to each other to the two societies that the ancient greeks came from, that once their cultures merged the “marriage” was the embodiment of their metaphorical bond.
"Behold! A text with no primary sources."
*Historian scream of despair and horror."
English teachers everywhere have sunken to anarchy
@Joan Paz Tzeentch gains yet another face!
Don't know why, but for some reason I can see a well intentioned Hades coming to Zeus for romantic advice and then Zeus straight up tells him to kidnap Persephone as a means of proposing to her.
Exactly! He thought his brother had "Experience" in that department since he got laid so often.
Poor, innocent baby. Got led astray by a bad influence. Tsk tsk.
Hades: I was so in love with you, so I went to my brother to ask for help, &-
Persephone: Wait, wait, wait. You took relationship advice... from _Zeus?!_
Hades: ... I recognize my mistake.
I like to think he meant to ask Hestia and had JUST missed her and Zeus was the only other person in the room at the time of Hades asking for advice
@@quiethere45 I think that depends on just how quickly he was planning on banging Persephone. If it was an asap matter, Zeus would be the one to go to. If it's about actually winning her over first, then I think Hestia would probably be the best option.
@@quiethere45 This is coming from a big fan of Hestia, but why on earth would Hades ask her? Hestia is a virgin goddess that rejected *TWO* marriage proposals, from Poseidon and Apollo, and vowed to stay a virgin forever, and is specifically mentioned to be immune to the powers of Aphrodite. Hades went to Zeus because Zeus was Persephone's father, sweet and simple. And could we just stop the whole "Zeus is Satan" please? It's kinda getting out of hand. Zeus didn't outright tell Hades to kidnap Persephone, he just gave him his permission and blessing.
Hades was feared in Ancient Greece for a reason, like Red said: Underworld Deities were super scary.
The more i learn about Hades, the more it feels like that's the way the greeks saw death. Something that everyone, eventually, goes through, so it doesn't rush, and it doesn't really do that much besides wait for the moment to come.
Among all the chaos and stuff all the other gods did and caused, Hades did basically nothing, didn't meddle with anyone else; like death, just waiting quietly and peacefully for you to come.
They all still afraid of him tho and sometimes he even make up stories about the underworld to make people cherish their lives in surface
'"Honestly, i rarely saw the point of mortals worshipping me. They were going to come to my realm sooner or later, regardless of what they did. Did they think it would win them leniency in judging their shades?" He shook his head. "That isnt how i operate"'
Dresden files, book 15, Skin Game. Main character actually sits down for a chat with Hades, this is what he says to him.
@@commentlurker3874 it is also because while you can get a favor or be on the good side of some of the other gods, Hades was inexorable. There was nothing they could do to get out of death, gain his favor, or for him to be lenient on them.
@@AznOmega wait he isnt the god of wealth? Pretty sure they pray to him everytime they try to find good or something
Greeks were kinda big on the whole "hubris is bad" thing so it would make sense if they saw death as the ultimate humbler. No matter how great a warrior or king you are you can never escape death, the dude who did try got punished for eternity for it.
It occurs that the thing with the pomegranate seeds can be written off as a moment of weakness on Hades' part - the only point in this story, and perhaps the only point in the mythology ever, where he acts as impulsively as Zeus does.
And I’m still like 40% sure he was lying out of his ass
Like I’m pretty sure they came up with it together
@@koathekid8255 Hard to tell, but not an impossible read considering it being a trick is part of a story in a hymn to *Demeter,* who would obviously want to believe Persephone wanted to return to her full time, and that Persephone's main response to being in the underworld would be missing her. We obviously don't have any earlier sources of the myth, but if any of the versions of the myth ever were told in a framing of praying to Hades or Persephone, odds are the story would hew at least a bit closer to the pomegranate seeds being an excuse they used to remain together, rather than an act of deception, unless it being a deception was the exclusive version of the story told.
So Hades is depicted as the devil while in reality he just wants to chill with his Eldritch Abomination wife and Multiheaded Dog Spot
I love this
The devil who in fact isn't even on hell, because he walks free on Earth tempting humanity as like he's breathing.
@@carlosroo5460 Good point. Feels rather weird to talk about Satan in a mythology section though.
And what devil analogies? All souls, whether good or evil went to the Underworld. It was not Hell. It had sections according to how you were judged. He was basically the manager of the whole afterlife!!!
@@fictionlover2064 Now I can't stop imagining Hades sitting in a room, punching stamps left and right, Paper Please style.
“The throne of Olympus is his by birthright.”
That completely justifies him in Disney’s Hercules if you ask me, or at the very least, seriously changed the narrative. It’s no longer about a usurper being fended off, it’s about the crown prince being disposed. TWICE.
Until you remember he tried to have his baby nephew murdered.
@@JaelinBezel Child murder isn’t exactly new for the gods, to be fair. Especially Hera... Besides, even if it is about a disposed prince, it is still a story about the game of thrones; filicide amongst other underhanded tactics are all par for the course.
@@JaelinBezel yeah, but the assassination attempts are put on him by Disney, the OG Hades never did that.
@@Baronnax but that’s the version I’m condemning.
@@JaelinBezel bruh, that's like shitting on Robin Hood for being a furry because you saw him in the Disney movie.
The whole "even though there's a delay, everyone becomes Hades subject eventually." Is metal af. I love it. I also imagine Hades and Persephone being spooky to everyone but they're actually huge dorks when together.
**a subject comes before the Underworld Court**
*"You fear us."*
"I-"
*"Why?"*
*"We carry no weapons. Merely the Scythe. We come only when the time is right. And it is not your time yet."*
**subject is escorted out**
Hades, turning to Persephone: "And the scene at the table with Vi and Caitlyn, that got my heart racing. The little dish scene?"
Persephone, waving her hands with excitement: "OH MY DAD, THAT DISH SCENE?! And the little 'I paid a visit to your girlfriend's house'? That put me so on edge, the uncertainty it was just *so good* because-"
(this goes on for the next thirty minutes as both of them turn in their chairs with the widest damn smiles on their faces)
@@ladywaffle2210 I love that they excused someone from being dead, to go back to living, just talk about their favourites shows with each other.
@@ladywaffle2210 Love the Arcane reference
@@ladywaffle2210 "oh my dad" 🤣
In addition to the original meaning of this quote, you can also say it metaphorically when you apply it to what's happening right now in modern media: everyone starts to like Hades (because people actually did some research and found out that he wasn't a villain)
P.S. I saw your comment before that part of the video, so everyone liking Hades was the first thing that came to mind😅
Take this account with a grain of salt:
Early on in my practice of Wicca, at the point where Persephone was already firmly established as my Matron goddess and I had started doing work with Hades, I communed with my gods while on a call with my friends and drawing fanart for a game I like. I was asked by Persephone what I was doing, and I told her I was drawing. She said, and I quote, "That's adorable. When you die, I'm going to keep you." I literally got a chill down my spine.
That's how you know she has taste
Enjoy the underworld. At least you'll be in good hands
Aww, that’s SWEET!
She’s gonna dote on you!
Good on you, you're going to have a good afterlife
Bro you’re all set for the afterlife
My classical mythology teacher told me that pomegranates symbolised sex and marriage. And the act of persephone selecting the seeds from the pomegranate means she could've known what she was doing.
So instead of trapping her with pomegranate seed Hades trapped her with a kid
@@willywonka8004 they actually never had kids, they're the gods of death soo having them create life didn't happen
@@thunderstone0812 they did actually have some kids most of them have alternate origins but they are
melinoe:( goddess of ghosts nightmares and funeral rights she's ethier to daughter of hades and persephone or zeus and persephone after zeus descide himself as hades she was described as being half white and half black to resent life and death she wasn't exactly a well liked goddess but she was still important due to the whole funeral rights thing as far as were aware she never got married or had any children)
Makaria:(not to be confused with heracles's makaria there diffrent people they just have the same name in the Suda she's referred to as hades daughter but no mother Is mentioned she's the only one without an alternate origin she's the goddess of blessed death she might have been married to thanatos but were not a hundred precent sure she was seen as a kinder counterpart to her possibly husband repenting blessed death and stuff)
Plutus:(the god of riches in older versions he's Demeter's son but later versions would refair to him as hades and persephone's son he was the god of riches a statce that he would share with his farther hades him being hades and persephone's son does seem to Come from the era when Pluto the Roman God was synchrinized with hades or he could have been synchronized with pluton who might or might not have been a different being before being synchronized with hades people are still debating about that we don't know that much about him he's pretty minor diety although in the versions where he's Demeter's son he is more important and his birth did start some drama)
The erinyes/furies:(allecto tisiphone and megara they have a couple different origins they can ethier be hades aunts born from uranos's blood after cronos overthrew him in the orphyc hymns there persephone's children the father isn't said to be hades but he is implied to be but we can't be a hundred precent sure since zeus and hades used to be the same so they could have been zeus's children for all we know in the aneiad Virgil claims that there children of Pluto hades Roman counterpart and nox nyx's Roman counterpart yes that nyx as in primordial night mother hypnos and Thanatos nyx yikes)
Adonis:(he is hades and persephone's adopted son red briefly talks about him in her aphrodite video he's supposed to be the greek counter part to the god tammuz red talks about tammuz in her aphrodite video hermes video and underworld video and before you ask no adonis is not persephone's lover nor did she cheat on hades that was something that Ovid made up he's just her adopted son)
Dyonysus and Zagreus:(red talks about the two of them in her dyonysus video but to make a long story short in the orphyc hymns dyonysus is the son of zeus and persephone after he "seduced" her in the form of a snake she got pregnant and gave birth to Zagreus older fragmentary myths do refer to him as hades and persephone's son but ether way Zagreus is destiynd to be zeus's hera hera so she unleashes the titans to kill him they eat him alive except for his heart wich athena saves last minute they bring him back to life by etheir implanting him into zeus's thigh or by putting him in the mortal semele Zagreus does seem have started of as his own diety before getting mixed up with dyonysus although we can't be fully sure in hellinstic myths it's genuinely agreed on that Zagreus is a different diety from Dionysus although his parenting is still a bit messy dyonysus in Hellenism is instead the son of zeus and semele or Zeus and demeter although in some versions persephone is his foster mother so there's that)
@@mohammedyousef4005 oh god dude use some PUNCTUATION DAMNIT!
@@lordfelidae4505 is this Better
I can already hear the Lore Olympus fans coming in.
You rang? :D
Not even them just anyone that has read greek myths or like myths in general
We are all coming in
Hey Fam
Yes, we’re here. Hades and Kore forever
Hellooo
5:45 where Helios mentions that Persephone could do worse with a choice of husbands and that bit where
"As firstborn son of Kronos the world was his by birthright and even if there's a delay everyone becomes his subject eventually."
That's METAL
Not to mention when Demeter asks him who was responsible, his answer is “Oh, totally Zeus”
That bit was so cool ngl
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And then they go to Zeus and he says
"But Demeter.... I gave him permission it's less of kidnapping and more a arranged marriage"
Winter time later: "why aren't the crops growing and people dying?"
"desperate to escape the consequences of his own actions" was the bit that got me
"He is the most powerful of us all, and he either has no idea, or is hoping that we don't realize."
I think in older stories, Persephone was actually the scariest godess of all time, ruler of death, and the greeks were *terrified* of her, but then in later stories, since ancient greek people are generally sexist, they had Hades be the original ruler of the underworld and Persephone as this sweet maiden child who got tricked into staying in the underworld, needing another person to come and look for her, which explains why Hades is so vague. I'm not sure I have an explanation for Demeter, but I think maybe in older myths, they were also still together; just not mother and daughter, but a closer bond.
weak: fearing He who receives a lot of visitors because he will one day receive you.
strong: realising his wife is much, much, much more terrifying
Broke: Fearing the gods of the underworld 'cause they're scary gods of the death.
Woke: Realizing they are frightening to the idiots that cross them, and pretty chill to the others.
Weak:fearing the god of the dead because you might die.
Strong:striding confidently into your preferred afterlife, daring your gods to judge you
The wife is ALWAYS the scary one
Hades is Scary but he is understanding due to his work nature
Persephone is nice and happy but if you cross her you wished you would have crossed hades cause she is much more unforgiving then him
Hades: no we're equally terrifying. It just is funnier when she does it cause everyone instantly pisses themselves. Me I have to be in the mood to do it
"He doesn't go out and do stuff" Hades introvert confirmed.
He never goes to party too lol
I mean, with all his siblings, would you like to hang out with them? Athena was the only other cool one.
@@ScipioMexicanus And she's not even one of the siblings. She's the nerdy niece.
He just stays inside curled up in a blanket burrito with Cerebus watching Sisyphus continuously fail to push his boulder up hill.
@@bluesbest1 He must be so proud of his niece. That must be why he let her borrow the furies when she needed a legal team.
"Hades is rather passive"
Me who played and fought Hades: yeah sure but the mothereffer knows how to swing that damn spear.
nothing better than a badass sub
Still pretty passive though. He could stab you the moment you get back home but he will wait for you to come to him instead.
He's also sassy as fuck: "Was that a boulder from the SKY?"
Played hades in what?
@@carsongreen8184 hades
Demeter: helps out a local ruler while trying to bring her daughter out of the underworld, then tries to make the ruler's child immortal by burning them, but is discovered
Isis: helps out a local ruler while trying to restore her brother to life, then tries to make the ruler's child immortal by burning them, but is discovered
Coincidence?
I THINK NOT!!!
No, much like the Romans would later do to the Greeks, The Greeks had done to the Egyptians.
Zeus: UGH. I gotta go home. Hera will bitch if I don't.
Aphrodite: I'm gonna go to Ares. I don't want to go home to my ape of a husband.
Poseidon: I'm gonna see if Demeter is home.
Hades: I am going home to my wife. Because I love her. THAT'S WHY I MARRIED HER.
Tumblr looking behind the corner
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@@willywonka8004 I stoled it from there.
@@Rose-yx6jq don't worry I also stole stuff
Poor Hephaestus man
@@chiefmasterofdeepwarrens3208 press F for Hephaestus in the chat
So moral of the story: the mom’s blessing is WAY more important then the dads
I mean, I would hope the message would be that parents shouldn’t get so hung up over their children’s love lives and respect their autonomy (like Demeter was way too attached to her immortal goddess daughter in that story. Persephone coming back and saying “I’m happy” should have been enough; Demeter really doesn’t need to sulk whenever she isn’t there 24/7), but I feel like the point in context is just that when the parents of the girl you like are literal gods controlling the forces of nature, just be safe and get BOTH parents approval.
@Mullerornis As someone with conservative parents, damn that hurt. But it's true.
@Mullerornis I'd say it's more like "If you're going to marry off your daughter at least give her mom a heads up."
Demeter had plenty of time to work herself into a grieving fury by the time someone bothered to let her know Persephone's kidnapping was paternally endorsed.
@@vaclavjebavy5118 Wait a second...HOW THE FUCK DID YOU MANAGE TO COMMENT NOTHING?!
Everyone talking about how Hades is the only one with a perfect marriage in the pantheon and I'm over here like "where's my Eros and Psyche fans?"
Eros and Psyche was my favorite myth as a kid!!! I always wanted to hear it over and over. I guess that explains why I’m such a hopeless romantic
That was an amazing story! 10/10
Well if I was gonna have to choose between Demeter and Aphrodite as a mother in law, I'd probably go for Demeter.
@@rockyblacksmith Aphrodite is kind of crazy, but she does bend over backwards for her kids no matter what they’re doing. You could probably ask for a kingdom and Aphrodite would give with no regard of what you’ll do with it
@@adeleaslan8182 True, but the same does not nessecarily apply to her children-in-law.
Honestly, Mycenaean Poseidon and Demeter having a relationship makes sense just based on how scary nature is. Chthonic Demeter embodying the hostile power of nature instead of just "growing plants" and Underworld King Posiedon being into that.