Modern Classics Summarized: Stranger In A Strange Land

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  • Опубликовано: 19 мар 2020
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Комментарии • 13 тыс.

  • @DeathnoteBB
    @DeathnoteBB 4 года назад +7229

    “That’s not an old one, that’s a corpse nobody’s eaten yet.”
    Sentences I never expected to hear for 400

    • @waffogram7280
      @waffogram7280 4 года назад +275

      What is "incorrect HP Lovecraft quotes"?

    • @DeathnoteBB
      @DeathnoteBB 4 года назад +85

      Waffogram Correct! You win Jeapordy

    • @dem0nich0ursuwo60
      @dem0nich0ursuwo60 4 года назад +91

      Now I want to make jeopardy just with osp quotes

    • @DeathnoteBB
      @DeathnoteBB 4 года назад +22

      I’m tired B. That would actually be hilarious

    • @seraph8980
      @seraph8980 4 года назад +5

      Hey a LA BB murder case reference!

  • @nionashborn7626
    @nionashborn7626 3 года назад +4431

    Nobody:
    Heinlein: “Homosexuality is gay”

  • @jennyinutil2018
    @jennyinutil2018 10 месяцев назад +2485

    An alien who doesn't laugh laughing for the first time at the sight of the cycle of abuse is legitimately creepy

    • @stevetennispro
      @stevetennispro 9 месяцев назад +43

      The Three Stooges enters the chat. ;)

    • @donfunk6613
      @donfunk6613 9 месяцев назад +127

      Heinlein is legitimately creepy. Still in my top five favorite science-fiction writers.

    • @ZeAwesomeHobo
      @ZeAwesomeHobo 7 месяцев назад +101

      Not just an alien, but also the actual incarnation of an archangel. Not alarming at all.

    • @TesIaNikola
      @TesIaNikola 6 месяцев назад +41

      I feel like it makes sense in context. Also that one part was one of the only compelling observations. Mike could not laugh because he had been told that funny things were a “goodness”. His realization was that laughing is the goodness, which we do in response to wrongness. I haven’t thought of too many examples, but a lot of jokes off the top of my head boil down to some sort of wrongness. Often not overt moral wrongness, but stuff that just isn’t correct. The main problem I had with it is that this moment was when he claimed to fully grok being human and that he grokked love. Seems kinda nontrivial to me to go from monkeys hitting each other and laughing yo understanding love.

    • @AlexMunz-bg3bc
      @AlexMunz-bg3bc 4 месяца назад +7

      @donfunk6613 He somehow manages to write really good fiction in the exact opposite genre he was going for.

  • @lillypad6936
    @lillypad6936 Год назад +5159

    This feels like a fanfic that switched writers halfway through.

    • @fandomcringebucket
      @fandomcringebucket Год назад +123

      My Immortal?

    • @chenjohnson2787
      @chenjohnson2787 Год назад +476

      Part 1: Written on a good trip.
      Part 2: Written on meth.

    • @skem9622
      @skem9622 Год назад +18

      accurate

    • @theoctopus9994
      @theoctopus9994 Год назад +46

      It got kinda silly after all the women kissed him and swooned. Am starting chapter 18

    • @guyinbluu
      @guyinbluu Год назад +28

      IMO it's closer to seeing the train headlights slowly glow brighter against the school bus

  • @deadsushi4287
    @deadsushi4287 4 года назад +5313

    First half: "wow, this could be a movie"
    Second half: "wow, this could be a *porn* movie"

    • @jeremyrossi2716
      @jeremyrossi2716 3 года назад +90

      nome sobrenome or a smutty fanfic

    • @MarkiusFox
      @MarkiusFox 3 года назад +63

      I think it should be...but only if done right. Speilberg won't touch it, high doubts about J.J. Abrams touching it, but absolutely NO ONE from the objectivist --films-- trainwrecks should come close to it.

    • @OsvaldoChannel1
      @OsvaldoChannel1 3 года назад +112

      Me: "so.... This could be an Anime?"

    • @elliotayden3944
      @elliotayden3944 3 года назад +35

      This sucks: the homophobic cultist guide to being a prick

    • @jeremyrossi2716
      @jeremyrossi2716 3 года назад +101

      Ok, but for real; take out the homophobia, sexism, and racism; this would be a cult classic anime

  • @SorowFame
    @SorowFame 3 года назад +3281

    I feel like Heinlein was writing a story about a super powered alien coming to earth and learning its customs but then he got distracted and started writing about his sexual fantasies.

    • @nymphrodellsalavin
      @nymphrodellsalavin 3 года назад +148

      That's about the reading experience, yeah

    • @stanleyjforrest
      @stanleyjforrest 3 года назад +191

      That is objectively true. I was such a devoted worshipper at the altar of Heinlein when I read this that I actually failed to recognize my own disappointment w/ the last half of the novel. Decades later, I can finally see what a bizarre, bigoted perv he was.

    • @sevencool2266
      @sevencool2266 3 года назад +137

      The story started out strong with a commentary about corrupt officials, likable characters and cool world building. But instead of paying attention to these interesting concepts, Heinlein makes turned the story into Charles Manson saves the world.

    • @trexlord1
      @trexlord1 3 года назад +61

      It is rumored he started taking LSD when writing this book

    • @bobthegamingtaco6073
      @bobthegamingtaco6073 3 года назад +59

      "Here I had my first draft of my deep, philosophical debate with a stranger from the stars, and here I had my personal kink story filled with massive amounts of naked women who all want me, but I accidentally sent them both to the publisher IN THE SAME ENVELOPE!"
      (Jk it was prolly intentional, but I like to live in a world where it isn't because it's funny, instead of DEAR GOODNESS WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT)

  • @cant-use-my-other-name
    @cant-use-my-other-name Год назад +1901

    tl;dr: Heinlein wrote a book about a powerful alien coming to Earth and learning about humanity as an outsider, but unfortunately he only had one hand on the typewriter while he did it.

    • @laraschroeder5195
      @laraschroeder5195 Год назад +64

      OH EW 😆

    • @MeloraCarabas
      @MeloraCarabas 10 месяцев назад +126

      This comment is the best description of this book that I've ever read. This video is a close second

    • @wandab3843
      @wandab3843 8 месяцев назад +5

      Yep

    • @JasonTheFavorite
      @JasonTheFavorite 8 месяцев назад +28

      Honestly, he writes most of his books like that

    • @Tatianna1143
      @Tatianna1143 4 месяца назад +8

      Oh God I get it
      That's both hilarious and deeply troubling

  • @andriod5160
    @andriod5160 Год назад +572

    “THATS the story? That was just the authors barely concealed fetish”

    • @danthiel8623
      @danthiel8623 Год назад +24

      truth

    • @augustdice3914
      @augustdice3914 10 месяцев назад

      Oh yeah… he was a known nudist and big proponent of poly relationships….. dude was… super weird… and sexist. Important to remember how much of what he wrote had not been written like that before anywhere near the main stream… his ideas seem blasé to us now…. But that’s cause we built modern sci fi on him, Asimov, and Clarke. All three of whom were batshit insane academics…. The other two just knew how to not write so blatantly about how insanely horny they where at all times……

    • @gramfero
      @gramfero 4 месяца назад +10

      barely concealed? really?

    • @xenon8927
      @xenon8927 2 месяца назад +7

      Barely feels like an overstatement

    • @cryo1195
      @cryo1195 Месяц назад +1

      What do you mean barely?!

  • @winter1527
    @winter1527 4 года назад +3008

    "And then in the third act, he starts a sex cult."
    Zeus could never-

    • @thomastakesatollforthedark2231
      @thomastakesatollforthedark2231 4 года назад +165

      At least he didn’t encourage his followers to do it veraciously. That is Aphrodites job

    • @siawsebastian9089
      @siawsebastian9089 4 года назад +53

      *Surprised Pikachu Face*

    • @FlfyDfy
      @FlfyDfy 4 года назад +25

      Ngl I'd join that cult

    • @AROBASPARK
      @AROBASPARK 4 года назад +69

      Well, to be fair, Zeus would be first in line to join. Will be drown in Demi Gods and Hera's personal vendettas on the little bastards for ages.

    • @thomastakesatollforthedark2231
      @thomastakesatollforthedark2231 4 года назад +8

      @@FlfyDfy I already have

  • @theatergeekrevolution7177
    @theatergeekrevolution7177 4 года назад +10981

    “Heterosexual love, the one thing unique to the human race” love that this implies all aliens are gay

    • @richmcgee434
      @richmcgee434 4 года назад +903

      Or that aliens have asexual reproductive systems. Or maybe aren't stuck in one sex their whole lives. Or that they don't breed at all during their lives but when they die they pump out a bunch of spores that combine with others to make the next generation. Or have lots and lots of sexes, and maybe get different results depending on which ones are involved in creating any given offspring. I remember a good short story about an entire ecosystem where everything was one species with a kajillion sexes, all with extreme polymorphism between them, and which things bred with what determined whether you got offspring that looked like bug-analogs, plant-analogs, beasties that carried other sessile sexes around, etc, etc. Terrestrial sex, gender, and reproductive options may seem complicated, but they're the tip of the iceberg in terms of potential. Dying to see what our machine-intelligence inheritors come up with - beyond "copy-paste" that is. :)

    • @jjthirteen9857
      @jjthirteen9857 4 года назад +182

      I ain't becoming an astronaut, cuz space is gay

    • @katemartin113
      @katemartin113 4 года назад +571

      listen aliens are all non-binary pansexuals, valid

    • @theatergeekrevolution7177
      @theatergeekrevolution7177 4 года назад +79

      J J thirteen that’s your loss

    • @theatergeekrevolution7177
      @theatergeekrevolution7177 4 года назад +96

      Katie Martin you. you get it.

  • @geekgirl_luv4262
    @geekgirl_luv4262 Год назад +1425

    It’s nice to see that in the book humans have evolved enough that the argument “Mike can’t own Mars because there’s already other people living there” is actually accepted, because historically, a place already being inhabited unfortunately hasn’t been enough to stop people from claiming that they own it anyway

    • @benduford3746
      @benduford3746 11 месяцев назад +124

      The fact that martians can disappear things is probably a pretty strong deterrent.

    • @joshuasgameplays9850
      @joshuasgameplays9850 9 месяцев назад +53

      This is literally the only good message ever said in this entire book

    • @sentryogmixmaster
      @sentryogmixmaster 9 месяцев назад +4

      it's called conquering....it's what people do.

    • @joshuasgameplays9850
      @joshuasgameplays9850 9 месяцев назад +25

      @@sentryogmixmaster ok and?

    • @geekgirl_luv4262
      @geekgirl_luv4262 8 месяцев назад +39

      @@sentryogmixmaster Just because people do it doesn’t make it not bad. Murder is also a thing that people do, and it is obviously still bad.

  • @astoroidea6502
    @astoroidea6502 7 месяцев назад +831

    I’m officially an adult now and can watch this video without hurting Red’s conscience. Finally.

    • @concept5631
      @concept5631 6 месяцев назад +11

      Nice

    • @ivoryas1696
      @ivoryas1696 6 месяцев назад +12

      @astoroidea6502
      Huh. Now that I think about it, witnessing this video before the age of 🧓 would be pretty _strange,_ fr.

    • @DoriZuza
      @DoriZuza 6 месяцев назад +9

      Happy birthday

    • @hakulives2613
      @hakulives2613 5 месяцев назад +10

      Congrats! Was it everything you dreamed of?

    • @jajajasputin8927
      @jajajasputin8927 4 месяца назад +7

      Was it worth it my newly eldered friend?

  • @Ichiidino
    @Ichiidino 4 года назад +2998

    Jill: Dont be attractive to men. Be more masculine.
    Ancient Greece: Am I a joke to you?

    • @a-drewg1716
      @a-drewg1716 3 года назад +139

      hey man it is more masculine because you are dominating another man, what is more masculine then that.

    • @derronmendel9650
      @derronmendel9650 3 года назад +203

      Because, to quote Red, what's manlier than *TWO MEN*

    • @trolldrool
      @trolldrool 3 года назад +66

      I'm guessing Heinlein adhered to the belief that being a gay man must mean you're feminine and that by that logic gay men would only be attracted to feminine men.

    • @mackereltabbie
      @mackereltabbie 3 года назад +58

      or, you know: Actual gays: are we a joke to you?

    • @timothymclean
      @timothymclean 3 года назад +42

      @@trolldrool Or Heinlein assumed all men were attracted to feminine beauty, because that's just how men's minds work.
      Heinlein tried to be progressive, at least relative to his time, but he had some serious unexamined essentialism clogging up his brain drain.

  • @bobthemonitor9697
    @bobthemonitor9697 4 года назад +5380

    “T-posing psychic nudist colony with rage-eyed Heinlein censor bars” is the most cursed thing I’ve seen all month.

    • @pathfindersavant3988
      @pathfindersavant3988 4 года назад +146

      Cursed? Or blessed? Afterall, how can any T-pose be more dominant than this one considering it was great enough to show dominance against lovecraftian Martians?

    • @mjuzumaki
      @mjuzumaki 4 года назад +107

      @Justin Bergeron you mean "blursed"?

    • @silverthered811
      @silverthered811 4 года назад +33

      I might be wrong, but theyre also t posing on the fludd from halo so now its even more cursed

    • @aegisScale
      @aegisScale 4 года назад +42

      This entire book is probably the most cursed classic I've experienced. No wonder such insane imagery came from it.

    • @zackdole6474
      @zackdole6474 4 года назад +12

      Bob the Monitor
      That is a sentence I thought I would never read

  • @just_unnamed
    @just_unnamed Год назад +583

    "And Ben, who IS saying No to a lot of this is being treated like he'll learn or come around" as an aro/ace I can relate

    • @lunaequinox7333
      @lunaequinox7333 10 месяцев назад +54

      Reasons it took me 18 years to realize I was asexual
      Reason #1: That quote

    • @thefrenchtaunter7916
      @thefrenchtaunter7916 3 месяца назад +2

      didnt ask

    • @just_unnamed
      @just_unnamed 3 месяца назад +15

      @@thefrenchtaunter7916 then simply ignore my comment and move on with your life. It's not that hard

    • @thefrenchtaunter7916
      @thefrenchtaunter7916 Месяц назад

      @@just_unnamed no

    • @mariaindiasalvatierra2687
      @mariaindiasalvatierra2687 26 дней назад +6

      ​@@thefrenchtaunter7916 then it sounds like a you problem ngl.

  • @StigmataTickles
    @StigmataTickles Год назад +671

    I had a girlfriend whose favorite book was "Stranger in a Strange Land". She philosophically based a lot of her lifestyle around it. I didn't understand why our relationship was so one sided until I read it some years after we broke up.

    • @schrodingerscat3741
      @schrodingerscat3741 Год назад +79

      Oh boy

    • @leonhardeuler7647
      @leonhardeuler7647 Год назад +54

      I am scared to ask but what did she do?

    • @LuckySketches
      @LuckySketches 11 месяцев назад +128

      ​@@leonhardeuler7647Start a cult, probably.

    • @aidanmargarson8910
      @aidanmargarson8910 9 месяцев назад +118

      ok the key advice one should take from this .. if you have a girlfriend who has a favorite book etc., first thing read the book .. just saying

    • @sentientmustache8360
      @sentientmustache8360 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@leonhardeuler7647do you really wish to know?

  • @jamdeluxe7456
    @jamdeluxe7456 4 года назад +5434

    “Cannibalism good, homosexuality bad”
    -Heinlein; a very “”big brain boy””

    • @martinmarvinofsparta3656
      @martinmarvinofsparta3656 4 года назад +43

      Big Brain Time

    • @janfungusamon4926
      @janfungusamon4926 4 года назад +112

      @@dropdead234 citation? That sounds really interesting.

    • @ConstantlyDamaged
      @ConstantlyDamaged 4 года назад +288

      @@dropdead234 See, if it's a joke that nobody got, it's not actually a joke-it's just a poor attempt at humor.

    • @TheGribblesnitch
      @TheGribblesnitch 4 года назад +4

      Are those quotations a typo? Why’re they there

    • @mistershadier8577
      @mistershadier8577 4 года назад +63

      Darthane Still if it is true he made it as a joke I think it means the guy can’t write comedy

  • @shakurasender5583
    @shakurasender5583 4 года назад +3172

    Time for some deep thoughts with Heinlein:
    "Being gay... is gay... and that is not cool"
    This concludes deep thoughts with Heinlein.

    • @xXevilsmilesXx
      @xXevilsmilesXx 4 года назад +36

      lol, says the asexual. xD

    • @129das
      @129das 4 года назад +91

      Being a women is cool only if your hot and naked.

    • @valencia_mua20
      @valencia_mua20 4 года назад +25

      129das that is definitely a title of a Panic at the Disco song

    • @holyinquisitor7003
      @holyinquisitor7003 4 года назад +2

      Oof I was too late

    • @alisoncircus
      @alisoncircus 4 года назад +13

      Really tired of experts on Heinlein who have, at most, read one book once.

  • @naomisheadspacevids5637
    @naomisheadspacevids5637 2 года назад +887

    The way Red describes it, this book would actually work remarkably well as a dark comedy.

    • @Viewable11
      @Viewable11 Год назад +67

      It is a dark comedy. It is a satire on the prude and religious and superstitious and intolerant US society of the 1950s.

    • @CortexNewsService
      @CortexNewsService Год назад +25

      That's pretty much what they did with Starship Troopers.

    • @donfunk6613
      @donfunk6613 9 месяцев назад +7

      I think the novel is a dark comedy.

    • @taylorfisher3944
      @taylorfisher3944 7 месяцев назад +3

      It is, most Heinlein is. Job a comedy of Justice is exactly that.

    • @MattMcIrvin
      @MattMcIrvin 17 дней назад +3

      It is supposed to be funny. The thing is, the laughs are supposed to come from your instinctive understanding that Robert Heinlein is right about everything and everyone opposed to his ideas is silly.

  • @poppyngbaronye-burgess1686
    @poppyngbaronye-burgess1686 2 года назад +717

    Red: "Which I'm sure real astrolagers would never do"
    The time-travelling goat-fish: ...

    • @luigiboi4244
      @luigiboi4244 Год назад +98

      *There is no Time-Traveling Goat-Fish in Ba Sing Se*

    • @positivelink6961
      @positivelink6961 Год назад +61

      Thank you for making this joke. The cult of the time traveling goatfish appreciates your contribution

    • @adilrahman6881
      @adilrahman6881 10 месяцев назад +5

      @@luigiboi4244 Why does this make me laugh so much? That's some talent you have.

    • @stevetennispro
      @stevetennispro 9 месяцев назад +9

      @@positivelink6961 That cult is the... G.O.A.T.! ;)

  • @eef1309
    @eef1309 4 года назад +5929

    So according to this book, the meaning of life, the world, the universe and everything isn't 42. It's 69

    • @Vorloks
      @Vorloks 4 года назад +230

      You genius bastard lmfao

    • @missizette7017
      @missizette7017 4 года назад +113

      *Slow clapping*

    • @ericpraline
      @ericpraline 4 года назад +81

      No towels then?

    • @eef1309
      @eef1309 4 года назад +46

      @@ericpraline Oh you always need a towel

    • @eef1309
      @eef1309 4 года назад +18

      @@Vorloks Why thank you internet stranger

  • @iamtheV0RTEX
    @iamtheV0RTEX 4 года назад +5730

    "This is never explained, I think it's just something Heinlein is into"
    literally the entire book

    • @CasualNotice
      @CasualNotice 4 года назад +342

      If you can't get the female members of your sex cult to enact the ultimate twin fantasy, then what's the point of even being a cult leader/archangel?

    • @powerthunfischdesdonners3086
      @powerthunfischdesdonners3086 4 года назад +98

      @@CasualNotice its the "my oc is better than all, so am I !" thing

    • @roseofoulesfame
      @roseofoulesfame 4 года назад +50

      @@CasualNotice "TWINS, BASIL! TWINS!!!"

    • @alanivar2752
      @alanivar2752 4 года назад +15

      I mean...can ya blame him?

    • @blarg2429
      @blarg2429 4 года назад +55

      @@alanivar2752 Yes.

  • @cursedcontent4207
    @cursedcontent4207 Год назад +2123

    If I had the power to make a movie adaptation of any book, I'd make an extremely gay, extremely modern version of Stranger in a Strange Land with the purpose of making Heinlein spin in his grave so fast, he could power the Texas power grid.

    • @catbatrat1760
      @catbatrat1760 Год назад +457

      "making Heinlein spin in his grave so fast, he could power the Texas power grid."
      This made me picture some straight-up Bethesda shit and made me laugh. Thank you for that.

    • @swordofstabbing
      @swordofstabbing Год назад +131

      @@catbatrat1760 Bethesda valve source creation engine

    • @REMSleep-kd3zv
      @REMSleep-kd3zv Год назад +58

      No no no this book deserves no attention, let die like a bad fire man

    • @xavi-kun
      @xavi-kun Год назад +117

      I’m fuckin sorry but I lost it at “making Heinlein spin in his grave so fast he could power the Texas power grid”

    • @ProjectXA3
      @ProjectXA3 Год назад +100

      lol lord knows they could use the backup supply, and what could be more quintessentially Texan than an independent power grid fuelled by incandescent homophobia

  • @TuyuqVampram
    @TuyuqVampram Год назад +966

    She left out the part where the main female lead LITERALLY tells Mike not to kill r***sts because "9 out of 10 times when a woman gets r***d, it's at least partially her fault."
    That was the part where I put the book down.

    • @wuraolaolagunju
      @wuraolaolagunju 11 месяцев назад +100

      Good lord!😬

    • @destroyerofturtles5024
      @destroyerofturtles5024 11 месяцев назад +25

      😳😳😳

    • @V1ncenz010
      @V1ncenz010 11 месяцев назад +39

      You took to long to put the book down
      At the moment this started you should have known this is f*cked up

    • @szymonkozowski5241
      @szymonkozowski5241 10 месяцев назад +110

      She mentioned that in thier podcast, she wanted to put it in, but didn’t, it’s explained why in the podcast and I’m not saying it now, because it deserves to have larger audience and you all should check it out. And also because I forgot. But mostly the first thing.

    • @cmarano
      @cmarano 10 месяцев назад +40

      Thanks for reminding me of this. I'd forgotten Bob's views of a LOT of topics were positively prehistoric. (That's code for he could be a real @hole sometimes).

  • @falconJB
    @falconJB 4 года назад +2266

    You skipped over the part where Jill says that its the victims fault when they are raped, so yeah consent really isn't a thing the book cares about.

    • @yasminafarih3681
      @yasminafarih3681 4 года назад +276

      .....
      ....
      .......
      *WHAT??*

    • @falconJB
      @falconJB 4 года назад +392

      @@yasminafarih3681 When Jill becomes a stripper she tells Mike not to disappear any of the men no matter what they do because "9 times out of 10 when a woman gets raped it's partly her own fault," so the man hasn't done anything wrong.

    • @yasminafarih3681
      @yasminafarih3681 4 года назад +232

      @@falconJB
      //vomit noises

    • @Vassilinia
      @Vassilinia 4 года назад +310

      Is it time for another *DEEP THOUGHTS WITH HEINLEIN* ?

    • @uria3679
      @uria3679 4 года назад +145

      Imagine if this book was released during the second half of this decade

  • @lordbaphie
    @lordbaphie 4 года назад +9097

    This book is basically "They had us in the first half, not gonna lie" meme in novel form.

    • @AsdfAsdf-mi6ks
      @AsdfAsdf-mi6ks 4 года назад +218

      Chamily Vasquez-Mendez the first half was SO GOOD.

    • @AsdfAsdf-mi6ks
      @AsdfAsdf-mi6ks 4 года назад +125

      Chamily Vasquez-Mendez second half ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    • @SenorFluffy
      @SenorFluffy 4 года назад +341

      Yeah who would want a cool sci-fi novel with good world building and an interesting outlook on human nature when we can have a sex cult on acid?

    • @Jobe-13
      @Jobe-13 4 года назад +12

      Chamily Vasquez-Mendez 😂

    • @m4sherman926
      @m4sherman926 4 года назад +13

      Asdf Asdf and the third half...

  • @manfredvonrichthofen214
    @manfredvonrichthofen214 Год назад +312

    for the first half I was like "huh, this is neat, maybe they have it in the school library", then I got to the 2nd half

    • @alexwork4829
      @alexwork4829 Год назад +20

      They had it at my High school library. That's where I read it.

    • @manfredvonrichthofen214
      @manfredvonrichthofen214 Год назад +7

      @@alexwork4829 I did check mine but it wasn't there

    • @shadestained
      @shadestained 10 месяцев назад +23

      this was in my *elementary school* library.
      ...i'm very glad i got bored and put it back like, three pages in.

    • @DeathnoteBB
      @DeathnoteBB 4 дня назад

      @@shadestainedThey really just let kids read the darkest crap just because it’s old, like Tell-Tale Heart and Flowers for Algernon. Classics? Yes. For schoolchildren? NO. And yet both are commonly taught to kids

  • @joelnotsure2871
    @joelnotsure2871 Год назад +1057

    "This is never explained, I think it's just something Heinlein is into"
    A lot of it really was. A little known fact about Heinlein at the time was that his personal life was really really out there, even by 60’s standards, and he was getting old by then. Also his fortune was made by writing juvenile fiction which was mostly advertised by its insertion into school libraries which meant he had to suck up to librarian associations which were made up of the most prudish people on the planet. For most of his life he was in the closet in *so* many ways, almost oddly not including being gay.
    So Starship Troopers was Heinlein saying goodbye to the Juveniles, and Stranger was basically Heinlein coming out. As pretty much everything weird *except* gay.

    • @DDlambchop43
      @DDlambchop43 Год назад +90

      I finally read the book, and I couldn't agree more. There's parts that are a bit cringey, but tbh it's not a bad scifi story. It's just a victim of the time period it was written.

    • @AdlaiArnold
      @AdlaiArnold Год назад +63

      Considering he went on to write shit like Time Enough For Love, in which a dude goes back in time and knowingly and enthusiastically has sex with his own mother...yeah, that tracks.

    • @daviddaugherty2816
      @daviddaugherty2816 Год назад +27

      ​@@AdlaiArnold That's messed up. It makes Fry's "nasty in the past-y" moment seem perfectly innocent.

    • @Glittersword
      @Glittersword 11 месяцев назад +7

      I saw no problem when you consider the Howards had a whole other definition of insest. The key was how many dangerous combinations the genes could have. Since they both had clean genetic strains they could not pass on bad mutations. They would consider two unrelated people who would not mix well to be incestuous. Interesting outlook. The whole concept behind the taboo is to prevent inbreeding. They eliminated the possibility totally beforehand.

    • @cmarano
      @cmarano 10 месяцев назад +6

      @@Glittersword Yeah, tell it to the Hapsburgs. What's considerated a 'bad' trait is debatable.

  • @MysticKenji2
    @MysticKenji2 4 года назад +1246

    "None of this is framed as horror"
    AU from the perspective of a random civilian watching a sex cult disappear people and amass political power when?

    • @redmadhatter03
      @redmadhatter03 4 года назад +30

      I think you just described Midsommar

    • @guggelguggel7491
      @guggelguggel7491 4 года назад +6

      @@redmadhatter03 Not the holiday, right?

    • @narutohinataashgaara
      @narutohinataashgaara 4 года назад +3

      @@bokrugthewaterserpent3012 i think you just mean all politicians.

    • @deviousxen
      @deviousxen 4 года назад +1

      It's not only a comedic line, but an informative and necessary one, LOL

  • @WellManneredNate
    @WellManneredNate 3 года назад +2675

    "So this is my religion."
    "Not interested."
    "It involves sex."
    *"I like your words, funny magic man."*

  • @KlaxontheImpailr
    @KlaxontheImpailr Год назад +292

    I like to think all the people Mike disappeared end up in another story somewhere. Like, imagine a story that has nothing to do with Stranger or Heinlein and these random people keep poofing out of nowhere, rambling about some naked Martian cannibal. 😂

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev 10 месяцев назад +30

      I'm sure he didn't originate the concept, but _The Cat Who Walked Through Walls_ was Heinlein going full Multiverse, so this checks out.

    • @Tom_Losh
      @Tom_Losh 8 месяцев назад +8

      Sounds like something Philip José Farmer would write, as a series, uh, sort of like the "Riverworld" series ... 😉

    • @MGSchmahl
      @MGSchmahl Месяц назад +2

      ​​​​@@GSBarlevI thought it was _Number of the Beast_ that had the weird mutliverse stuff.

    • @MattMcIrvin
      @MattMcIrvin 17 дней назад +2

      ​"The Cat Who Walks Through Walls" has a similar kind of structure: the first half of it is a fairly entertaining sequel to "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", then it goes *sproing* and is suddenly a metafictional sequel to "The Number of the Beast", with crossover appearances from Jubal Harshaw and Lazarus Long, and an incredibly creepy scene about how hot 14-year-old girls are.

  • @plant3341
    @plant3341 Год назад +283

    I hate how this could've been such an interesting story about Michael learning about Earth and humanity learning about Mars and Mike learning to live with his superpowers but Heinlein had to make it about weird sex stuff

    • @j3ssthealien283
      @j3ssthealien283 Год назад +31

      Honestly that's why a pet project of mine is creating the martians and their culture whit a story of Michael growing up with them and having to adapt because he doesn't have the physical characteristics of a Martian.

    • @eugeniabukhman8533
      @eugeniabukhman8533 5 месяцев назад +7

      We were robbed by the story's own dang author

  • @xaghi9832
    @xaghi9832 4 года назад +1531

    The superpeople T-Posing on the Martians is the best thing I've ever seen.

    • @mistertea603
      @mistertea603 4 года назад +21

      I didn't even question it but now I...
      Dammit...

    • @notthechosenjuan2413
      @notthechosenjuan2413 4 года назад +33

      T-pose for dominance

    • @Dot.17
      @Dot.17 4 года назад +5

      Here's a like....

    • @felis1977
      @felis1977 4 года назад +6

      I must say I don't remember that part of the book. Must read again :)

    • @euansmith3699
      @euansmith3699 4 года назад +2

      I wondered if it was a reference to the Source Wall in Jack Kirby's "New Gods" Comics.

  • @Flowtail
    @Flowtail 4 года назад +5936

    "Cannibalism
    is actually fine
    so long as that cannibalism is _never gay_ "
    This concludes Deep Thoughts with Heinlein

    • @raspberrycrowns9494
      @raspberrycrowns9494 4 года назад +302

      Is cannibalism gay? I mean you're basically eating a huMAN

    • @melvinmerkelhopper5752
      @melvinmerkelhopper5752 4 года назад +19

      @@raspberrycrowns9494 Look up Armin Miewes.

    • @batshineman174
      @batshineman174 4 года назад +118

      The thing about Heinlein being homophobic is that I don't think he actually was or at least wasn't in the traditional sense.
      After becoming familiar with many of Heinleins books and short stories I seriously don't think that he views being gay as evil or a sin like most homophobic idiots and (I'm not joking) instead views it as being counterproductive to the survival of the human race since unlike most heterosexual love if left to it's own devices it won't most likely result in a human being born.
      We need to keep in mind that this was written during the 60's and that overpopulation wasn't nearly as big of an issue as it is today.

    • @Moonstar79
      @Moonstar79 4 года назад +11

      @@melvinmerkelhopper5752 Oh dang

    • @melvinmerkelhopper5752
      @melvinmerkelhopper5752 4 года назад +8

      @@Moonstar79 You looked it up didn't you?

  • @feiwnakausvkaxbdkebkswowbq8331
    @feiwnakausvkaxbdkebkswowbq8331 Год назад +310

    I started reading the book and Gill’s introduction is not exaggerated in the video it literally says “GILLIAN BOARDMAN was a competent nurse and her hobby was men.” 😂

  • @yogore
    @yogore Год назад +128

    "This is never explained, I think it's just something Heinlein is into."
    That could be the cover blurb on pretty much every one of his novels. And to think, this one was written BEFORE he got into to his "weird old horndog" phase!

    • @violetbean8928
      @violetbean8928 8 месяцев назад +6

      BEFORE?
      what the hell did he write afterwards?

    • @yogore
      @yogore 8 месяцев назад +15

      @@violetbean8928 If I say "time-travelling nudist polycule (with bonus self-insert fanfic)" or "man decides not to kill himself yet because he's horny for his mother," it sounds like I'm making it up on the spot, but those novels were published in 1980 and 1973, respectively...

    • @MattMcIrvin
      @MattMcIrvin 17 дней назад

      I think midway through this book is the exact moment Late Heinlein appears, fully formed. Now, after this he still wrote some things that were more like Early Heinlein (he isn't Late Heinlein full-time until 1970), but he clearly had Late Heinlein on call.

  • @jellyrollarts2274
    @jellyrollarts2274 4 года назад +6493

    Every time theres a "Deep Thoughts with Heinlein" you slowly begin to understand and feel the pain of the bystanders listening to the philosopher with agonizing looks on their faces in that greek painting

    • @kidauggie
      @kidauggie 3 года назад +447

      that's Socrates killing himself my man. Feel like that context only adds to "Deep Thoughts with Heinlein" portions.

    • @AnInsaneOstrich
      @AnInsaneOstrich 3 года назад +237

      @Corvus Morve I prefer the idea that it's actually Heinlein and everyone is in despair about his awful-I mean GREAT ideas on everything.

    • @FIRING_BLIND
      @FIRING_BLIND 3 года назад +31

      That's a painting of Sokrates you uncultured swine. Don't you go insulting the OG philosopher

    • @thegamerzoologist2705
      @thegamerzoologist2705 3 года назад +4

      I’m sry bystanders this guy is f**k

    • @gilcesarpereira3171
      @gilcesarpereira3171 3 года назад +8

      @@microchip9982 this sentence is a grammatical disgust

  • @lordoftheducks332
    @lordoftheducks332 4 года назад +906

    "And then in the third act he starts a sex cult"
    Me, an innocent bab: "A-a what?!?”

  • @hannahmotley1863
    @hannahmotley1863 Год назад +381

    Can we appreciate how talented red is?!? Like she can sing, draw, I assume she’s the one who plays guitar at the end, and she’s also funny as hell

    • @j3ssthealien283
      @j3ssthealien283 Год назад +17

      She is I think in one of the April fools or a livestream she pulled out the guitar and played

    • @ivoryas1696
      @ivoryas1696 6 месяцев назад

      @hannahmotley1863
      -*Skilled-

    • @seeleunit2000
      @seeleunit2000 2 месяца назад +2

      Yep, she's amazing. 😊☮️

  • @ramblingwhitedog7346
    @ramblingwhitedog7346 Год назад +153

    You know, this story actually has some cool ideas in it. It’s just everything else that screws it up. I will compliment Red for the attempt to make it hysterical rather than uncomfortable, but dang. Heinlein was one weird guy.

    • @willmcgonigle3107
      @willmcgonigle3107 Год назад +2

      She over exagerates massively and skips the good parts, she focuses on 3 lines for a quarter of the video and does not cover anything the book was actually trying to say

    • @DonutCare564
      @DonutCare564 11 месяцев назад +15

      ​@@willmcgonigle3107what was the book actually trying to say then lol

    • @augustdice3914
      @augustdice3914 10 месяцев назад +10

      @@DonutCare564a lot of shit… mostly that it’s author is insanely weird and somehow only slightly problematic for his time. What is skipped is how fascinating and fresh what he wrote was. This video covered how crazy he was, but now how prolific of a sci fi writer he was. This wasn’t awarded a Hugo award and became on of the greatest selling sci fi novels of all time because it was what she said it was, it did that in spite of it, or at least adjacent to it….. the book actually started as a modern and adult version of The Jungle Book, by Kipling.
      It gets crazier when you realize that this book did exceedingly well among those of the counter culture movement (beatniks and hippies)…. Honestly, this pre internet/post nuke era was batshit insane all around.

    • @ramblingwhitedog7346
      @ramblingwhitedog7346 9 месяцев назад +3

      Crud, now y’all have gotten me to go read it. Good on you for inspiring me to broaden my mind.

    • @DDlambchop43
      @DDlambchop43 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@willmcgonigle3107 she isn't exaggerating that much, and she hits the weirder points dead on. When was the last time YOU read the book?

  • @ashurean
    @ashurean 3 года назад +3903

    "There used to be a fifth planet between Earth and Jupiter that the Martians decided shouldn't exist anymore and that's why there's an asteroid belt instead."
    Okay but why couldn't the book have been about that
    That's a story in and of itself

    • @teogonzalez7957
      @teogonzalez7957 3 года назад +325

      I know right, that’s like a one sentence horror story.

    • @johnpooky84
      @johnpooky84 3 года назад +89

      Marvin's first test of the "Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator".

    • @QuikVidGuy
      @QuikVidGuy 3 года назад +15

      mystery

    • @andythedishwasher1117
      @andythedishwasher1117 3 года назад +23

      Try Spirit Science's The Sumerian Epic for better info on that whole debacle.

    • @jasonreed7522
      @jasonreed7522 3 года назад +66

      Irl the asteroid belt is a failed planet, its just iirc jupiter moved too close messing up the orbits before moving back to its current position. But i agree a story centered on the destruction of that planet and subsequent asteroid belt formation would be more interesting.

  • @bez2888
    @bez2888 3 года назад +2429

    first act michael: soft boy, precious son. Protect Him.
    second act michael: [CENSORED]

    • @paultedtaotao4357
      @paultedtaotao4357 3 года назад +128

      Third act Michael: murder spree

    • @theartisthasarrived
      @theartisthasarrived 3 года назад +81

      Fourth act michael: Angel Michael

    • @InsaneGreatsword
      @InsaneGreatsword 2 года назад +23

      This comment reminds me of the Oversimplified joke with Rasputin [CENSORED][CENSORED][CENSORED]

    • @alubaludaplayz4989
      @alubaludaplayz4989 2 года назад +12

      5th act Michael: DeStRuCtIoNN

    • @vintheguy
      @vintheguy 2 года назад +1

      @@InsaneGreatsword
      Yes, but this is actually good

  • @MoonMoverGaming
    @MoonMoverGaming Год назад +85

    Fun fact:
    Some people who liked this book went out and actually founded the Church of All Worlds. It is a real organization now that you can join.
    (I have no idea how true to the novel it is. I'm guessing they won't actually give you phenominal psionic powers.)

    • @markpashia7067
      @markpashia7067 10 месяцев назад +19

      No but they will try to screw it into you and claim the failure is you not committed to sharing yourself enough. Lots of divorces based upon the jealousy between couples who joined it with one embracing it more than the other.

  • @GG10010
    @GG10010 2 года назад +85

    This book is actually a speculative dystopian vision of the future In which jared leto's cult grows in power

  • @whatthefyt9061
    @whatthefyt9061 4 года назад +927

    Mike: is perfectly ok with gay people
    Everyone else: bUt WhY wOuLd yUo dO ThAt

    • @JimmehRulez
      @JimmehRulez 4 года назад +8

      OoHHOH

    • @hp22h78
      @hp22h78 4 года назад +106

      Seriously... The whole point is that this Martian is not bound by society and knows the truth of this world, yet even he initially didn't care about gay people til the society he's supposedly fighting against tell him he's wrong..!

    • @haru5257
      @haru5257 4 года назад +84

      Okay idea: rewrite the book but make it gay

    • @starsheep1140
      @starsheep1140 4 года назад +28

      @@haru5257 this would actually work bc the anti gay part doesn't affect anything in the narrative

    • @devonlee5298
      @devonlee5298 4 года назад +33

      @@hp22h78 When I read it I took the whole anti gay stuff was that even the people closest to Mike didn't fully understand that his teachings meant, that they were still holding onto their past way of life. Then I learned about the writer. :(

  • @aflamingidiot4427
    @aflamingidiot4427 4 года назад +14358

    This feels like a hybrid between 60's ideals and a really weird anime.

    • @129das
      @129das 4 года назад +635

      Better say Hentai Anime is better then that. Hentai just does whatever.

    • @JoshSweetvale
      @JoshSweetvale 4 года назад +232

      That's Heinlein for ya.

    • @SeanFlynnNB
      @SeanFlynnNB 4 года назад +460

      That's a bit backwards. _Stranger_ was published in 1961, so it's more like it *informed* 60's ideals and really weird anime. For all the reactionary stuff Red calls out, it was surprisingly popular among the hippies.

    • @redstreak1
      @redstreak1 4 года назад +86

      I think that creepily, but astutely, sums it up!

    • @garrett8408
      @garrett8408 4 года назад +95

      Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave.

  • @cgt3704
    @cgt3704 2 года назад +64

    14:18 "They're just trying to show people the truth".
    If she meant the NAKED truth, then yeah they clearly succeded.

  • @andromeda4655
    @andromeda4655 Год назад +79

    I’m unsure if this was purposeful but at 10:10, Michael is depicted with a traditional version of a Christian angelic halo, where in older art pieces halos weren’t any sort of rings but rather circles of holy bright light behind the head. If it was purposeful, insanely cool foreshadowing to Michael somehow being an archangel

  • @silkyxcore5497
    @silkyxcore5497 4 года назад +3860

    This sounds like a D & D session gone wrong
    Edit: I made this comment in 2019-2020 and now I've finally played d&d, y'all were right. That was just normal d&d, my character(an overpowered arsonist 8 year old) overthrew a kingdom just bc someone in the group told them not to do it.

    • @MissJukeBox8
      @MissJukeBox8 4 года назад +298

      TheTired Fangirl I did accidentally start a cult in D&D once where our goal was to save the world from aliens, the only big difference is sex wasn’t involved
      ...I dunno what would have happened if they gave us a few more sessions tho

    • @crimson8867
      @crimson8867 4 года назад +153

      More like a session gone right

    • @eriklindbergs5017
      @eriklindbergs5017 4 года назад +190

      @@crimson8867 Found the bard.

    • @talleywa5772
      @talleywa5772 4 года назад +72

      Depends how many bards are in the party.

    • @sdsmuseumoftheweirdstripex6489
      @sdsmuseumoftheweirdstripex6489 4 года назад +62

      In D&D, we started a “cult” in which we killed demons and were all like TIME FOR A FUCKING CRUSADE and terrorized Lucifer for fun. And we disintegrated Mars and Jupiter.

  • @anu-lc2ke
    @anu-lc2ke 4 года назад +2702

    “Deep thoughts with Heinlein- Cannibalism is actually fine.”

    • @aquila4460
      @aquila4460 4 года назад +74

      I mean, while I absolutely don't agree with the presentation. Why would it be ethically wrong to eat a dead person who completely consented to be eaten after their death and has not been killed for the purpose of cannibalism?

    • @donbionicle
      @donbionicle 4 года назад +105

      @@aquila4460 Mainly because humans tend to become very ill when repeatedly consuming humans. While a little here and there may be physically OK, my social brainwashing rather puts me off the idea.

    • @carlosroo5460
      @carlosroo5460 4 года назад +5

      @Aquila In the words of the Great Master Red (No, not that one, the author of this video) "Hell if I know!"

    • @carlosroo5460
      @carlosroo5460 4 года назад +5

      Leaving Hannibal's true motivations aside, what I get from one of these is, that porn back then was made by man and man with fake breast.

    • @upg5147
      @upg5147 4 года назад +5

      Anything's fine with consent!

  • @sora9138
    @sora9138 2 года назад +121

    the whole "I am God/thou art God"-thing becomes actually hilarious when you know that the name 'Michael' is a question, and the question is "who is like God?"
    But the question is rhetorical, bc no one is like God. ten bucks says Heinlein did that on purpose and if not, I'm going to throw things bc thats _even funnier_
    Also Michael's other name being Valentine probably should have been a hint as to where this story was going-

    • @ReeveProductions
      @ReeveProductions 9 месяцев назад +4

      According to the intro I read most of the important character names were chosen like that.

    • @lorierush6561
      @lorierush6561 9 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@ReeveProductions I read that too. I was going to make that comment.

    • @DeathnoteBB
      @DeathnoteBB 4 дня назад

      Wh- isn’t the whole point that everyone is like God, because we’re made in his image, and he is all things?

  • @kingduckie9135
    @kingduckie9135 Год назад +45

    "He realises comedy is built on pain."
    Me who laughs at a deep fried picture of a lettuce if a reverberating voice calls it a cabbage instead: Am I pain?

  • @mossycave3865
    @mossycave3865 3 года назад +5689

    Man, I bet asexuality would really grind Heinlein's gears.

    • @Skipmunk85
      @Skipmunk85 3 года назад +837

      Honestly i think most reasonable things would grind his gears

    • @xenon8927
      @xenon8927 3 года назад +529

      his gears are whetstones slapping together at random, all they do is grind

    • @jayce1850
      @jayce1850 3 года назад +421

      Especially homoromantic asexuals.

    • @MrK00n
      @MrK00n 3 года назад +16

      Probably not. He was a pretty chill dude.

    • @QuikVidGuy
      @QuikVidGuy 3 года назад +132

      @@wisemankugelmemicus1701 well your first problem is that those aren't what those words mean

  • @noodlepoodle3582
    @noodlepoodle3582 4 года назад +3054

    Basically: “my fetishes and homophobia are totally normal and I understand women more than women do if you disagree you’re a poser prep- I mean, brainwashed”

    • @dylanchouinard6141
      @dylanchouinard6141 4 года назад +235

      Do not compare the genius of Ebony Dark’ness Dementia Raven Way to this proto-boomer nonsense.

    • @iluan_
      @iluan_ 4 года назад +70

      Maybe that's a libertarian thing? Ayn Rand does this exact same thing. Jay Naylor does almost the same thing, except without the homophobia because he is probably bisexual.

    • @robinchesterfield42
      @robinchesterfield42 4 года назад +95

      @@dylanchouinard6141 Yeah, weirdly enough I find My Immortal WAY more readable than this.
      I mean, put it this way: My Immortal at least makes me laugh. A LOT.
      THIS book made me struggle to get all the way through it and wonder what the beep was WRONG with sci-fi fans of the '60s...

    • @dylanchouinard6141
      @dylanchouinard6141 4 года назад +68

      Robin Chesterfield At least content wise, even ignoring the grammar and spelling issues, I much prefer My Immortal to this. My Immortal was probably written by a child, someone with little experience in writing and who wanted to be what her subculture defines as cool, as many do around her age. Heinlein, in contrast, was 54 when he wrote Stranger in a Strange Land.

    • @adajanetta1
      @adajanetta1 4 года назад +14

      @@robinchesterfield42 Drugs mostly. If I recall correctly. But it was the 60s, so...

  • @dylanmccormick2675
    @dylanmccormick2675 7 месяцев назад +25

    The fact that a Chick-fil-a ad ran right before the ‘unless it’s gay’ bit is terrifyingly hilarious

  • @jackwriter1908
    @jackwriter1908 Год назад +33

    The fact that they weren't able to create a horoscope because he was born on Mars is surprinsingly accurate.
    Since you need the date and time of birth as well as the location, since they are based on earth it would be nearly impossible to do an actual horoscope on someone born on a different planet.

  • @theonejackal89
    @theonejackal89 4 года назад +685

    This is literally just if Freud wrote a book.
    ... *Drinks a long sip of alcohol.*

    • @juanfranciscovillarroelthu6876
      @juanfranciscovillarroelthu6876 4 года назад +18

      you need more cocaine too read this book if that is the case

    • @corenlavolpe6143
      @corenlavolpe6143 4 года назад +5

      CHUG CHUG CHUG CHUG

    • @Marcus1526
      @Marcus1526 4 года назад +4

      Pretty sure Freud wrote books.

    • @theonejackal89
      @theonejackal89 4 года назад +4

      @@Marcus1526 If Freud wrote a book about himself.

    • @Marcus1526
      @Marcus1526 4 года назад +1

      Also, Freud wasn't anti-gay, and it seems like thats a big part of this book.

  • @experiment506
    @experiment506 3 года назад +6832

    The artists depiction of Michael as a soft femboy martian really furthering the realization of how anime this plot is.

    • @orionriftclan2727
      @orionriftclan2727 3 года назад +182

      I'ma just take Michael real quick

    • @silvertam911
      @silvertam911 3 года назад +24

      ⁰00⁰0

    • @animequeen9711
      @animequeen9711 3 года назад +98

      Nah anime would be all for gay and bisexuality. couldn't be

    • @tiiimmmm__
      @tiiimmmm__ 3 года назад +141

      @@animequeen9711 i mean not really?? there isn’t that much anime with LGBT characters-

    • @lolaby2
      @lolaby2 3 года назад +93

      I was maybe, actually, rooting for our fantastical little jelly bean 🥺 well up until the sex cult dlc.

  • @LunDruid
    @LunDruid Год назад +83

    The fact that it's not framed as a horror story in a way makes it even more horrifying. Pity that wasn't on purpose.

  • @judithgockel1001
    @judithgockel1001 Год назад +43

    I read this when it first came out; his later books became increasingly strange. Near the end of his career, he had an early (forgotten procedure name) carotid artery reaming out, restoring blood flow to the brain. This may have explained some of the weirdness.

  • @biliminsrlar5752
    @biliminsrlar5752 4 года назад +710

    The whole story in a nutshell:A Martian Angel with super powers takes over the world with a s€x cult that loves everything that isn't gay.

  • @gabejones8112
    @gabejones8112 4 года назад +583

    Top ten phrases spoken moments before unspeakable disaster:
    "Now it's time for some deep thoughts, with Heinlein"

    • @kelvinabambora9
      @kelvinabambora9 4 года назад +5

      I love how halfway through you can just tell when this line is about to come up

  • @enderniffler628
    @enderniffler628 Год назад +50

    8:36 can we all just, sit an appreciate how adorable this is? They don’t understand fully but still do it because it’s important to their lil space buddy 😭

    • @bloodhoundo9320
      @bloodhoundo9320 8 месяцев назад +8

      this book really should've stuck to the theming of the beginning instead of going all sex cult

  • @lywarn333
    @lywarn333 Год назад +56

    The absolutely best part of this video is "Deep Thoughts with Heinlein". The music, the visuals, the tone change! *(chef's kiss)* PERFECT!!!

  • @mariarue7619
    @mariarue7619 4 года назад +1809

    “Deep Thoughts with Heinlein”- Gay stuff is illegal, but love freely

    • @crgrier
      @crgrier 4 года назад +38

      Yeah, in this book. You should read Time Enough for Love it's all about polyamoury; have sex with anyone who agrees without limits.

    • @user-xy4yr5hb1i
      @user-xy4yr5hb1i 4 года назад +27

      But no guy on guy butt stuff. That is Icky.

    • @nilspochat8665
      @nilspochat8665 4 года назад +27

      I really don't grok that author.

    • @silverrivers
      @silverrivers 4 года назад +6

      I would like this comment, but it’s at 69

    • @sibire8284
      @sibire8284 4 года назад +4

      Don't forget The Moon is a Harsh Mistress!

  • @chocochipzzz4434
    @chocochipzzz4434 4 года назад +2195

    “Are you one of those females that they keep talking about?”
    “Can’t you teeeeeeellllll?”
    *he actually can’t*

    • @ninjabluefyre3815
      @ninjabluefyre3815 4 года назад +13

      Dragon Ball?

    • @chocomuffin7433
      @chocomuffin7433 4 года назад +2

      NinjaBluefyre ?

    • @R0-83-RT
      @R0-83-RT 3 года назад +28

      @@chocomuffin7433 In early DragonBall Goku couldn't tell the difference between boys and girls.

    • @PRGME7
      @PRGME7 3 года назад +6

      Choco Chipzzz this reads like ASDFmovie

    • @chocomuffin7433
      @chocomuffin7433 3 года назад +2

      R0-83-RT oh

  • @valentinarunko67
    @valentinarunko67 Год назад +40

    'Deap thoughts with Heinlein' had me in stitches 😂

  • @truthhurts9819
    @truthhurts9819 Год назад +15

    Part 1: Actual sci fi
    Part 2: belongs on Wattpad

  • @humanbeing2282
    @humanbeing2282 4 года назад +2196

    Michael: “I learned some very important lessons from all of this”
    Everyone: “I’m guessing they’re all horrible distortions on the lessons you should have learned”
    Michael: “Death isn’t real and I’m basically god”
    Everyone: “Yeah that is so much worse”

    • @learnmore8771
      @learnmore8771 4 года назад +13

      @@ecrusar5216 I second this sentiment

    • @ProfessorFanatic
      @ProfessorFanatic 4 года назад +52

      To Human Being: Glad to see another fan of the Door Monster. That was from "Self-Fulfilling Idiocy 3", wasn't it?

    • @yuristyrkas8001
      @yuristyrkas8001 4 года назад +7

      Spectacular reference.

    • @TheWildmanden
      @TheWildmanden 4 года назад +5

      This comment cannot be liked enough

    • @christianketterling7590
      @christianketterling7590 4 года назад +1

      Can't like enough!

  • @BladerBoi24
    @BladerBoi24 4 года назад +801

    "Agnes was like that because Freud was right about everything."
    Psychologist in me: "Wait that's illegal"

    • @BladerBoi24
      @BladerBoi24 4 года назад +98

      Part 2:
      "Cannibalism is actually fine"
      Me: "wait that's ACTUALLY illegal"

    • @JoshSweetvale
      @JoshSweetvale 4 года назад +17

      @@BladerBoi24 I'm a Prion and I approve this message.

    • @109Rage
      @109Rage 4 года назад +31

      @@BladerBoi24 *Technically* speaking, Cannibalism isn't illegal! It's all the things that require cannibalism to happen that's illegal (like the murder, and desecrating the dead bits).

    • @wadespencer3623
      @wadespencer3623 4 года назад +8

      @@109Rage Wonder if you could do cannibalism if you didn't kill them and they gave explicit permission in their will.

    • @MariaVosa
      @MariaVosa 4 года назад +1

      @@109Rage Not sure what country you live in, but in almost every country it IS illegal to desecrate or tamper with a dead body in any way

  • @CT68
    @CT68 10 месяцев назад +14

    I read Stranger a long, long time ago. Through-out much of it, I kept thinking "this is a bunch of hippie crap." However there is one scene it in that has always stuck with me, it's the scene where they talk about truth, and they come across a barn, and ask what color the barn is. And someone says "red" but it's pointed out that you can't see the other side of the barn, so the other side might not be red. A statement of truth often comes with an acknowledgement of what is unknown.

  • @phastinemoon
    @phastinemoon Год назад +28

    If anyone else has seen Dominic Noble’s video on The Midwitch Cuckoos/Village of the Damned - he notes that there’s a type of middle aged white man author whose writing style is less about the action, and more about what middle aged white men have to SAY about the action.
    (And has a main character who is almost definitely an author self insert)

  • @phantombermuda1990
    @phantombermuda1990 4 года назад +496

    "Maybe shes born with it"
    "Maybe is Hedonism"
    Has got to be some of the best background lines ever 😂

  • @JelloApocalypse
    @JelloApocalypse 4 года назад +10208

    I wonder how many other literary classics are just a story loosely wrapped around Author Insert Fetish Porn

    • @occasionalart7597
      @occasionalart7597 4 года назад +1199

      I mean, The Divine Comedy was basically a glorified self-insert fanfic

    • @starbomber
      @starbomber 4 года назад +219

      I don't think you'd be surprised...

    • @sineadthomas2024
      @sineadthomas2024 4 года назад +267

      Oedipus Rex

    • @RycoreXIII
      @RycoreXIII 4 года назад +157

      @YourThoughtCriminal I mean 1984 is actually... good.

    • @jaxsocarin9397
      @jaxsocarin9397 4 года назад +71

      Holy shiz JELLO??!!

  • @ScrewdriverGaming
    @ScrewdriverGaming Год назад +13

    I just clicked on this video again and it started off where I had left off:
    "It's sex cult time baby"

  • @SP-iv2jj
    @SP-iv2jj Год назад +22

    I was gonna complain about how sarcastic this synopsis was, then I saw the channel name. Nailed it

  • @theradioactiveplayer3461
    @theradioactiveplayer3461 3 года назад +6291

    Heinlein was an uncomfortably bizarre writer.
    To convey that immense discomfort, I vote we get M. Night Shyamalan to direct an adaptation of this book that's portrayed entirely as a psychological horror, _without changing anything about the characters_

    • @lets-all-love-lain
      @lets-all-love-lain 3 года назад +295

      I would buy that movie

    • @falconstudios146
      @falconstudios146 3 года назад +338

      Honestly, I think that would almost be a good movie.

    • @danielchan1668
      @danielchan1668 3 года назад +128

      Underrated. Take this algorithm bump.

    • @somedudewithsomememes2035
      @somedudewithsomememes2035 3 года назад +169

      it would be great but for the love of satan dont

    • @fiend-off-the-grid
      @fiend-off-the-grid 3 года назад +158

      @@somedudewithsomememes2035 "for the love of Satan" is not a phrase I expected to see today, but I'm happier you said it than the other thing

  • @lud4066
    @lud4066 Год назад +103

    This book makes me feel better about my own writing

    • @therealuncleowen2588
      @therealuncleowen2588 Год назад +9

      Ikr? No matter what one writes, it has to be superior to this mess of a novel.

    • @lunaequinox7333
      @lunaequinox7333 10 месяцев назад +4

      *Me looking at my half-finished DSMP shipping fanfics* Perhaps I treated you too harshly

    • @MrTigracho
      @MrTigracho 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@lunaequinox7333dude, I feel like my writting is a bit forced sometimes, but after thinking about just people can be a bit...unique, I don't feel so bad anymore.

    • @MattMcIrvin
      @MattMcIrvin 17 дней назад

      @@therealuncleowen2588 The weird thing is, this book is often regarded as not just OK, but as Heinlein's masterpiece and one of the central classics of science fiction literature. I *like* a lot of Heinlein, for all his many many faults, but I've always found this one difficult to take. I think it just appeared at exactly the right time to become a strange 60s counterculture icon, though Heinlein probably hated most things about the 60s counterculture.

    • @Mordalon
      @Mordalon 14 дней назад

      The novel is highly acclaimed and award winning. Take it within its context.

  • @jsange
    @jsange Год назад +18

    I like how it started out actually pretty cool for a 60s sci fi and then became progressively (pun unintended but now that I think about it) more Reki Kawahara for the last two thirds

  • @minihonda1232
    @minihonda1232 4 года назад +2085

    This book is an aces worst nightmare... *never mind it’s everyone’s nightmare*

    • @lovetrain5025
      @lovetrain5025 4 года назад +60

      Minihonda123 I'm pretty sure ace people would just get bored in the last half of the book

    • @leavemealone5390
      @leavemealone5390 4 года назад +148

      I'm an ace, watching the second half of this was basically just:
      "Are you kidding me?"
      "This can't be a real book"
      "Oh boy"
      "Yes, no need for a plot, let's just include more sex"

    • @callingthevoid
      @callingthevoid 4 года назад +53

      Minihonda123 I’m reading this rn and I’ve finally gotten to... the latter half. I actually kinda enjoyed all the religious and social commentary of the first half but now.... oh god

    • @jackelle8250
      @jackelle8250 4 года назад +107

      God the fact that red is ace and she had to read this KILLS me every time

    • @leavemealone5390
      @leavemealone5390 4 года назад +40

      @@jackelle8250 Poor Red

  • @alexanderilthari9328
    @alexanderilthari9328 4 года назад +2390

    “And he may be the archangel Michael. Spoiler alert: He’s right.”
    WE ARE REACHING LEVELS OF HERESY THAT SHOULDNT EVEN BE POSSIBLE!

    • @HunterStiles651
      @HunterStiles651 4 года назад +100

      THE CHURCH OF ALL WORLDS HAS TAKEN JERUSALEM! DEUS VULT!

    • @wakietrash2686
      @wakietrash2686 4 года назад +66

      @@HunterStiles651
      DEUS VULT

    • @NukaStick
      @NukaStick 4 года назад +47

      BURN THEN IN HOLY FIRE BROTHA!

    • @wrathsosdovah1828
      @wrathsosdovah1828 4 года назад +41

      GATHER THE ORDER OF JERUSALEM, THE BROTHERS OF THE IMPERIUM OF MAN AND THE WRIGGLERS OF JOECRAP!!!!
      DEUS VULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @mashpotato3700
      @mashpotato3700 4 года назад +34

      DEUS VULT!
      FOR THE GOD EMPEROR OF MAN KIND

  • @CrossTrash
    @CrossTrash 5 месяцев назад +38

    I would like to formally thank Red for giving us an easy and well explained video to point to whenever a Twitter user asks "why is the new AI thing called Grok."
    And giving us yet another reason to call Elon a fucking weirdo.

    • @ninjabluefyre3815
      @ninjabluefyre3815 4 месяца назад +2

      Him liking this book explains a LOT

    • @Mordalon
      @Mordalon 14 дней назад

      Grok isn’t some obscure Elon thing. It’s been a reference in nerd circles for decades. And this video is extremely inaccurate and biased.

  • @jeremiahglover7562
    @jeremiahglover7562 Год назад +8

    Fun fact: grok is a common word in programmer culture. It’s usually used in reference to comprehending a complicated code base or how an otherwise large program works especially with the intent to modify it.

  • @piedpiper4440
    @piedpiper4440 3 года назад +2095

    The sad part is that this story would've been WAY better if Mike was presented as the villain. Seriously, 80% of the book's problems would've been fixed if Mike was the villain and somebody else became the hero in act three.

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall 3 года назад +89

      I mean, you could take it as a bad end, or whatever.
      I will say, I read and loved "Starship Troopers", so I heard about this book and tried it out. It gave me MAJOR Heebie Jeebies, and I didn't even get to the 2nd Half. :D
      I thought Jill in the beginning looking out for Michael was pretty cute though. She reminded me of the sexy gal who's a big sis type.

    • @theMoporter
      @theMoporter 3 года назад +123

      Personally, I don't read him as being villainous, so much as extremely misguided. He wasn't trying to be evil.

    • @whiskeredwolf4861
      @whiskeredwolf4861 3 года назад +50

      Mike never comes off as a villain at any point though? He’s just extremely confused.

    • @donovanroundtree524
      @donovanroundtree524 3 года назад +1

      more act *PORN*

    • @AnimeWolf5193
      @AnimeWolf5193 3 года назад +68

      Or even if it was presented as something pure being corrupted by society and others beliefs.

  • @WeeHobbit87
    @WeeHobbit87 4 года назад +3037

    "no women likes, watches, or even understands pornography" me, trying to convince my parents that I'm a good and pure christian girl and definitely NOT a horny lesbian

    • @starling1226
      @starling1226 4 года назад +139

      I don’t know according to this article if women ruled the internet porn wouldn’t exist (which is sad tbh, what’s the use of the internet if there is no porn?) Edit: why do my dumbest comments get the most attention?

    • @akuraproductions3550
      @akuraproductions3550 4 года назад +83

      @@starling1226 Knowledge? Entertainment? There's a lot of uses for the internet that isn't....18+ content.

    • @Sunaki1000
      @Sunaki1000 4 года назад +79

      @@akuraproductions3550 The Internet is for Porn Meme kinda dyed out.

    • @firetarrasque4667
      @firetarrasque4667 4 года назад +110

      What makes you think those things are mutually exclusive?
      BIBLE NEVER MENTIONS LESBIANS WOO

    • @fairycat23
      @fairycat23 4 года назад +177

      @@starling1226 I'll put forth the claim that if women ruled the Internet, a lot more porn would be written.
      Source: I am a woman and I don't wanna watch porn, but man do I read it.
      Other source: There seem to be a lot of women writing porn on the Internet.

  • @aaryansedhai8684
    @aaryansedhai8684 Год назад +18

    16:45 poor red she has to clarify that it is not a horror and story and i think martian guy is bi i guess.

  • @davesmith3330
    @davesmith3330 Год назад +22

    I think my favorite part is "That's not an old one that's just a corpse no one has eaten yet."😆😂🤣
    HILARIOUS!!!

    • @markpashia7067
      @markpashia7067 10 месяцев назад

      Everyone is missing the point of the cannibalism. It is a punch on the concept of Communion in mainstream churches that branch from Catholicism. Communion is just symbolic cannibalism. This is my body, this is my blood. Wafer and wine symbolize ingesting the body of Christ. So not too far of a step to boiling a finger to make soup. Heinlein was rattling the cage of the Pope.

  • @garrettshortt3456
    @garrettshortt3456 3 года назад +11351

    Can we appreciate how every third sentence could be an absolutely hilarious cards against humanity card

    • @ragiansteel8944
      @ragiansteel8944 3 года назад +919

      Red's videos should be quoted and made into a cards against humanity pack. I would 1000 percent buy it

    • @derpninja7904
      @derpninja7904 3 года назад +299

      It's so specific yet its so perfect for it.

    • @StephenGillie
      @StephenGillie 3 года назад +129

      It's like that right-wing form of antifa - where you can do whatever you like, so long as it's one of the allowed activities.

    • @averongodoffire8098
      @averongodoffire8098 3 года назад +27

      Yoooo this is hurtfully true

    • @wessmoore7894
      @wessmoore7894 3 года назад +153

      Margarita
      Household chores?!? THE MAN HAS NO SKIN!!!

  • @subatomicgxn7807
    @subatomicgxn7807 4 года назад +1440

    “Love should be free and without limit, *unless it’s gay of course*-“

    • @batshineman174
      @batshineman174 4 года назад +45

      The thing about Heinlein and homophobia is I don't think he was that in the traditional sense.
      After becoming familiar with Heinleins books and short stories I seriously don't think he views being gay as evil or a sin like most homophobic idiots and (I'm not joking) instead views it as being counterproductive to the survival of the human race, since it unlike heterosexual love if left to it's own devices it won't most likely result in a human being born.
      We need to remember that this was written during the 60's when overpopulation wasn't nearly as much of a problem as it is today.

    • @advictoriamsshitposts8689
      @advictoriamsshitposts8689 4 года назад +44

      @@batshineman174 TL;DR: Basically Heinlein didn't like the gays because of reasons of homosexuality not producing kids.

    • @emonrd5472
      @emonrd5472 4 года назад +34

      @@advictoriamsshitposts8689 I think he's forgetting the hundreds of orphaned children and that gays could just adopt

    • @lovetrain5025
      @lovetrain5025 4 года назад +9

      xxAsh playzxx its more that they wanted more kids back then, not a family.

    • @potatobastard9876
      @potatobastard9876 4 года назад +7

      Eh In "Time Enough for Love" he seems all for gay stuff. That one's hella about pleasure too

  • @JamieCurrant
    @JamieCurrant Год назад +95

    I was already a bit skeptical about whether the writer of Starship Troopers is qualified to tell me about empathy and compassion, but I got to the scene where he writes "9 times out of 10, if a woman gets raped, it's partly her fault" and now the book is just annoying me. Gonna push through to the end, because as the book says, you can't truly hate something unless you fully understand it. Great video though!

    • @DDlambchop43
      @DDlambchop43 Год назад +3

      yeah. I'm trying to withhold my distaste til I actually read it. It's not easy, tho.

    • @michelmanno8244
      @michelmanno8244 Год назад +2

      Isn't the movie basically a parody

    • @JamieCurrant
      @JamieCurrant Год назад +10

      @@michelmanno8244 Haven't seen it but yes from what I know it's just ripping the piss out of the book

    • @jacobwilliams1223
      @jacobwilliams1223 Год назад +15

      @@michelmanno8244 The movie essentially satirizes the fascism that the book played 100% straight and is all the better for it.

    • @jamesharding3459
      @jamesharding3459 Год назад +11

      @@JamieCurrant The movie satirizes the fuck out of the book and it’s great.

  • @jacobbohl192
    @jacobbohl192 Год назад +12

    Every time I think of this video, I cannot help but think "Deep Thoughts From Heinlein," and it makes me very curious if we're ever going to get an episode about Ray "TV Bad" Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451°.

    • @ivoryas1696
      @ivoryas1696 6 месяцев назад

      @jacobbohl192
      Yo, good point!

  • @JohnJohnson-jr6hp
    @JohnJohnson-jr6hp 4 года назад +429

    Eating a dead guy's meat: Okay
    A living dude's meat: WEE WOO WEE WOO thaz gay

    • @silvertrimhill9844
      @silvertrimhill9844 4 года назад +7

      Ha Ha Ha ... Cock

    • @breadslice9779
      @breadslice9779 4 года назад

      Silvertrimhill Yeah... ha ha

    • @kittywitch6334
      @kittywitch6334 4 года назад +5

      Well I mean... you’re technically putting it in you either way... sooooooo

    • @jaivv247
      @jaivv247 3 года назад

      That's a lot of gay talk from shinji ikari

    • @silvertrimhill9844
      @silvertrimhill9844 3 года назад

      Jaivv OTC i though he was gay for that white haired guy

  • @couragew6260
    @couragew6260 4 года назад +1333

    “So in case you were questioning the morality of his actions, it’s fine because he was an Angel the whole time. WEEEE.”
    So was Satan and look how he turned out.

    • @falconJB
      @falconJB 4 года назад +44

      Yes but Mike goes back up to heaven to resume his angelic duties once he is done 'fixing' Earth.

    • @alanivar2752
      @alanivar2752 4 года назад +31

      Satan is Best Angel

    • @Scotch20
      @Scotch20 4 года назад +8

      You do realize Heinlein has never actually associated a portrayal of heaven with objective good?

    • @blarg2429
      @blarg2429 4 года назад +13

      @@Scotch20 I'd argue that Stranger In A Strange Land is an example of him doing exactly that.

    • @marcuswestphal4955
      @marcuswestphal4955 4 года назад +1

      @@alanivar2752 mmmm ah you see tho.. you know what I'm gonna not say anything.

  • @supersushi2139
    @supersushi2139 Год назад +37

    I'm fairly certain I could rewrite the story and major plot points so things don't come out of left field and actually have a point. Here are some ways you could rewrite the plot to actually have it make more sense:
    Rewrite Jill's whole character aside from being just "woman" and give her an actual character motivation, for example the reason she chose to save Michael at first could be, say, because she took a liking to him and because when she found out they were going to kill him she couldn't bare the idea of someone being killed for almost no reason, playing into her motherly traits and could maybe hint to Jill being either a mother of someone who died or maybe she had to care for her younger siblings for some reason
    Completely rewrite the third act because the whole sex cult angle is completely unnecessary and replace it with the plot point of Michael's psychic connection being severed from the Martians and the third act being the protagonists trying to find a way to stop the Martians from invading Earth
    Remove the homophobia and racism in the story (I know this story was written in the 60s but there's no real reason to keep it in the story)
    Oh yeah don't make Michael the actual Archangel Michael. Like what was the point in that again?
    Don't have Michael's powers be a Deus Ex Machina to multiple plot points and rather have him just have abilities such as Telekinesis and Telepathy.

    • @itlivesinthewalls68430
      @itlivesinthewalls68430 Год назад +7

      Agreed, though the homophobia would clash well with Mike and Jill pretty obviously being bi without saying it, and it would also be a character development tool

    • @supersushi2139
      @supersushi2139 Год назад +5

      @@itlivesinthewalls68430 No you're right, that could work if it's handled well

    • @itlivesinthewalls68430
      @itlivesinthewalls68430 Год назад +8

      @@supersushi2139 I just like the idea of Jill realising that she likes girls too and apologizing to Mike for pressuring him into acting straight

  • @natesims1680
    @natesims1680 11 месяцев назад +15

    You’ve made me look at one of my favorite novels in a TOTALLY new light. 😮

  • @GippyHappy
    @GippyHappy 4 года назад +1577

    I've learned more than I've ever needed to know about Heinlein, his fetishes, and his deep rooted psychological issues.

    • @DIN0911-
      @DIN0911- 3 года назад +43

      Yeah it just feels like a slap to the face of knowledge when first watching this.

    • @jamesverhoff1899
      @jamesverhoff1899 3 года назад +44

      I've read a few things by Heinlein, and I wouldn't say that you have. I think he's more subtle than that. His works often seem to contradict one another, arguing in one book that one concept is good, while in another book arguing that the concept is evil.
      I think Heinlein enjoyed playing with ideas. He enjoyed exploring them, developing them, seeing the rational consequences of them. The sex cult thing, for example, is a pretty natural extension of the Martian human's ignorance of humanity. Leaving aside the Martian superpowers, we're talking about someone who's completely naive and a super-celebrity. Intercourse would be a tremendous experience to him, so it makes sense that he'd want to focus on that for a bit (see for evidence every high school in America). His followers would naturally adopt his views on the subject. Heinlein gives one explanation (religious leaders have divergent sexual norms), and recent history (ie, "influencers") gives another. Okay, yes, it's not the only way it would go, and I seriously doubt someone with no concept of gender would consider homosexuality a problem (especially since the modern concept is pretty clearly not a cultural universal), but Heinlein's plot is a rational direction that the story could take given the ideas he's playing with (which, remember, he may not believe are true).
      Does this book indicate deep-rooted psychological issues? Sure. I'm just not sure whether they are Heinlein's issues, or society's. What I mean is, Heinlein may be presenting the ideas as true in order to explore them and expose them as false.

    • @admech590
      @admech590 3 года назад +23

      @@jamesverhoff1899 the man was either a genius, a psychopath, or both?

    • @vintheguy
      @vintheguy 3 года назад +12

      @@jamesverhoff1899
      3 words
      "STAR SHIP TROOPERS"
      I do want to, wish to or ever will respect a person who made that book, and thinks it's a perfectly good acceptable future
      The mans just a straight up facist

    • @jamesverhoff1899
      @jamesverhoff1899 3 года назад +17

      ​@@vintheguy Not sure what your point is here. My argument is that I don't think we can determine, based on the text alone, which of the contradictory views Heinlein presented are his actual views. It's entirely possible--and I would say plausible--that he wrote these stories as ways to explore various perspectives. That he COMPREHENDS a viewpoint doesn't mean he ACCEPTS that viewpoint. It's not fashionable today, but part of critical thinking is having an understanding of your opponent's arguments. I've heard it said that if you aren't tempted to agree with your opponent you don't understand them. And there are some very interesting concepts in that book (the movie was crap). Should there be requirements for citizenship? If so, what constitutes those requirements? How do we deal with the inevitable conflicts over natural resources? How does exposure to violence as a regular occupational hazard change one's way of thinking? (That last one is a really subtle, but probably the most important one.) These are ideas worth exploring.

  • @whatthefyt9061
    @whatthefyt9061 3 года назад +4112

    "A very female woman with such hobbies as men and wearing dresses on dates with men"
    Guys guys I think I just have a hunch that Heinline was a sexist I'm not sure tho
    Edit: wow, 7 months later and I still get notifications for this comment. Truly I have struck a nerve

    • @timothymclean
      @timothymclean 3 года назад +388

      Speaking as someone who's read a lot of Heinlein, he was clearly trying to be feministy. There were several female characters who were explicitly as competent as any man in the story, women being successful in the military without comment, Hazel Stone, etc.
      To be fair, I don't think he was very good at it. The number of women who give up their careers to be housewives is kinda telling.

    • @annazinchenko7819
      @annazinchenko7819 3 года назад +199

      He was a man of his time. And for a man of his time he did have some pretty competent female characters. Hazel Stone, Friday, Maureen Smith, Hilda Burroughs etc. True he was obsessed with sex and sexuality, but a least his heroins weren't all damsels in distress or trophy ladies. And in his later novels he had male bisexual characters.

    • @Silverwind87
      @Silverwind87 3 года назад +217

      To be fair, that makes sense for the time period. Unlike Lovecraft, who was so bigoted that even other bigots told him to tone it down.

    • @CollinMcLean
      @CollinMcLean 3 года назад +79

      More like he tried to be somewhat feminist but got lazy and gave up when it came to backstories....

    • @Sammathnar
      @Sammathnar 3 года назад +104

      @@annazinchenko7819 I mean, Ursula LeGuin published The Left Hand of Darkness only 6 years after this book, a sci-fi book that is about the concept of gender in society. So being a man of his time is not really a defense, to write great science fiction you need to be able to lift your gaze from your own time. To be fair, Heinlein could do that for some things, but compared to other contemporaries he was not great at it, especially when it came to gender and sexuality.

  • @bloodybee3553
    @bloodybee3553 Год назад +22

    11:18
    Is that markiplier and jacksepticeye?

  • @protorandom9097
    @protorandom9097 5 месяцев назад +6

    I love how the idea that "the people who already live somewhere have more claim to it than we as outsiders do" was completely ignored by everyone involved until it became a convenient way to protect Mike lmao

  • @TrashMaggie
    @TrashMaggie 2 года назад +6468

    Deadass admitting that an actual arch-angel wouldn’t have seen anything wrong with being gay if humans didn’t tell him it was wrong. I love that for how self-owning it is.

    • @hazeltree7738
      @hazeltree7738 2 года назад +432

      @@rblack1986 Okay... Why is it gross? And don't just cite the bible, give me an actual, logical reason it's a bad thing other than just "The bible says so and I'm not gay". It might be hard to give proper reasons because there _aren't any_
      It's just two people loving each other. Just because they can't make a baby (Keep in mind they might not even want a baby, or sex at all) doesn't mean it's gross, it's just love

    • @Gearhead221
      @Gearhead221 2 года назад +311

      @@rblack1986 Tell me you know nothing about HIV infection without telling me you know nothing about HIV infection.

    • @Gearhead221
      @Gearhead221 2 года назад +8

      @@rblack1986 Also, you act like humans are the only species where same-sex relationships exist. Spoilers: WE AREN'T.

    • @Mel-qr5ob
      @Mel-qr5ob 2 года назад +277

      @@rblack1986 where in the bible does it say that? cause as far as I remember the one and only line in the bible which mentions being gay, was a mistranslation of "pedophilia" from the original text.
      The irony of English Christian priests 'mistranslating' the Bible 'on accident' considering their reputation is hopefully not lost on you.
      If you don't get it you're too far gone.
      If you do get it you know you've mucked up and might need to retract some of the stuff you said.

    • @ycleptprof.5249
      @ycleptprof.5249 2 года назад +84

      @@rblack1986 I'm picking up "13/50" readings from you.
      Like, I don't think you believe that necessarily, and I don't care either. Just... damn, your logic is flawed.