@@despinasgarden.4100 Or, if you're of the German persuasion, Wilhelm. It seems that at least since the fall of the Roman Empire, nobility has a strange tendency of being rather uncreative with the naming schema.
More than that, sympathetic mummies are older than the pure evil ones. Although I am annoyed neither of them mentioned Yu-Gi-Oh once. Yu-Gi-Oh's early manga had a whole "Pharaohs curse" bit before it was retconned and Atem himself is a thinly veiled expy of King Tut, being a teenage Pharaoh who died mysteriously and young, whose tomb was discovered intact in the modern day after being "lost" for millennia.
@infiniteds9353 i actually have a story revolving around the "ancient Egyptian ruler falls for the reincarnation of their ancient lover after being revived" trope in one of my Yu-Gi-Oh fics, with a side of Thackery Binx. Mana/Dark Magician Girl dies taking a death blow meant for Atem, and Atem is cursed to turn into an immortal cat with a fraction of his magic power and forced to guard the object sealing his power. Worse, unlike Binx, Atem can't talk in cat form, so by the time Mana's reincarnation unseals him by accident and partially breaks the curse, he's in a very precarious mental state. He flips back and forth between pushing the girl away and clinging to her as the first and only human he can talk to in millennia, because the curse has a second catch: he's doomed to fall in love with Mana's reincarnation just like he fell in love with the original, and once he falls in love with her, he's cursed to watch her die all over again. And have I mentioned Renee, the incarnation in question, is from the 18th century, and witch hunts are kicking into high gear in her village?
I do love how the newer Mummy film is “mummy wakes up and becomes undead monster trying to kill the good guys”, while the old one is “mummy wakes up and does what any of us would do in his place: becomes a famous Egyptologist”
Too bad there wasnt i, me and inhutep romcom, when there were that many romcoms made. It could even just be an extreme rim van winckling. Or a female archiologist, get told, you tdistrurbed my rest, the curse deands you be part of me. Oh no, ..., You can just hang around, i mean, the curse, i didnt make it, maybe ther eis a way to stop it but you got to stay around and we gots see each other enough. Sorry. I am sick of all that dead curious people. So you can come with me to my parents, Are you sure, yeah we gotta tell a story. XD
Does anyone remember that short lived tv show, about Houdini and Arthur Conan Doyle teaming up to solve mysteries? If not, then maybe I fever dreamed it...
I watched every episode of that show (I think) on my phone whilst sitting in random dark hallways in the basements of my university. 'Twas great ambiance.
"I support women's rights, _and_ women's wrongs!" "Is it too much to ask for a little girl boss mommy?" These two quotes back to back aren't what I expected to hear this Halloween, but boy am I glad I heard them.
Fun fact, houdini was offended that lovecraft made him faint several times. I don't know ow the exact quote but he basically said something like, "I wouldn't faint. I don't faint."
20:13 “Jewels of the Seven Stars” convinced me that ”Dracula” wasn’t just a fluke, and Bram Stoker was really into monster girls. The man would be THRIVING if he lived today.
Ever see "Lair of the White Worm"? Not sure how close it is to the book, but there's a heck of a monster gal in the movie (which also stars a very young Peter Capaldi and Hugh Grant)!
And he (at least compared to the standards of his time, which is not much by today’s standards) did his GODDAMNED RESEARCH! He would be ADORED on AO3 if he was alive todsy
"Mummy on the Orient Express" from Doctor Who always really stuck out to me. A soldier, wounded in a forgotten war from thousands of years ago forced to act as an unwilling executioner. Never being able to rest before the war was over. It was beautiful
Something I feel modern depictions of The Mummy monster have forgotten about; is the thing that makes it unique from the other undead monsters, The Curse. Unlike zombies or vampires, the mummy is not just going after random people. Its specifically targeting the people who broke into his resting place, took all his stuff, and basically kidnapped his dead body to another nation. The Horror has a karmic undertone to the whole thing. "If you had just mindes your own business and respected the dead. You would not be dying in terror right now"
If anything, Scooby Doo of all things even respects that part better. In the OG series you get a dude in mummy outfit, but he's "animated" to get "his" stuff back, and is explicitly targeting the guys that opened the tomb. (On the form of replacing them with stone statues) It's so wild.
The funniest thing is that "The Curse" was sort of REAL. It was just... really old mold and bacteria and diseases that the first people to go into the tomb got, before it was properly aired out.
Another nation? Most mummies are in Egypt. And grave robbers, even if foreign, are often dying in these films before anything can get moved out of country.
I absolutely love that format where Red and Blue pingpong between historical context and how the culture followed. I really want that to be more common. Thanks for that video.
alas, twice the wonderful collabaration of the vid, twice the work for the both of them. Still hoping they'll do more of these co-op projects, but it will probably not be common unless they cut down on other videos. Then again, Red did say she was getting bored with the miscallaneous myths series...? What Im implying is thusly, I, too, would love these to become a mutlple times a year thing, but barring such demands, I still wish they start doing something like one of these once a year.
They sorta did it for King Arthur. Any time you’ve got a character archetype that has a documented historical evolution, there’s a good chance Red will get Blue to do some historical background if it’s fascinating enough
20:38 Bram Stoker was vary good at doing research for the books he made. I can only comment on Dracula (Partially because i read it and also because i am a tranylvanian). Stoker describes the languages, geography, foods, superstitions and history perfectly to the point that it really warms my heart to see my culture represented so well in the work that is still responsible for making it moderately known to this day.
@@moonlight4665 What is also really cool is how Dracula can be read as an allegory for “the immigrant”. As he has existed in Transylvania for centuries but its people whisening up presents a danger to his ability to hunt and survive (which is why he looks old). He doesn’t necessarily want ot leave his home but circumstances are slowly forcing him to. However he is also genuinely fascinated with england, its culture, its costumes which is why he asks Jonathan to help him batter adjust. Dracula is also obsessed with appearing as english like as possible (to the point where he learned to speak with no accent) not only to remove suspicion from himself but because he knows he would be looked down upon as an immigrant by anyone who notices his differences. There is so much depth to this character and this novel that is simply not gotten from reading it with a western perspective.
I'm American, and actual Transylvanian people sounds almost like a myth to me. The error is, of course, entirely my own. I'm charmed to see this comment.
@@borkabrak No problem. I know someone who once told a british person they were from transylvania and the british person was like “Haha im from Narnia but where are you from actually?” BTW im not only Transylvanian but i am actually part of the exact same ethnic group Dracula claimed to be a part of. And yes the forests and mountains are as beautiful here as they were described in the book (including the mountian with a flat top called “The Seat of God”). If you’re interested in anything or want to ask a question about the place or people i’de be happy to answer.
Ok so, I think this format is cool. The back and forth of Red and Blue talking about the different aspects of the same topic is fun, kinda like Detail Diatribe, but more focused and less focused at the same time. It's hard to explain, still, I like it.
For sure i really like the dynamic of talking history and then folklore/media and adding historical context in general to the developing mythos surrounding the mummy
This is kinda the vibe i was getting from the back to back gilgamish & pyramids of ur videos. I hope they do more like this I really liked hearing abt the historical context
Same for me too! What's great is how the historical contexts help make the folklore parts clarify things better, and vice-versa. I've noticed that when there's some movies/shows that are set in Britain over certain time periods, the Egyptomania of the time often gets told - but this video shows that the rabbit-hole goes down real deep.
I love that the Egyptians had a reason why you sometimes get in arguements with your own brain. Also, such a funny coincidence that this monster has a "Handbook for the Recently Deceased."
A lot of cultures actually have a concept of the soul/spirit that's not entirely synonymous with the self but seems to be sometimes its own agent sometimes getting in conflict with the self
I see it more as Humanity's decreasing deification of Death over time, with Mummies being the oldest and most sacred, then Vampires representing aristocrats and their wealth to afford tombs, and then the common modern Zombie, who gets a simple grave.
@@AnnoyedSonic Right? I get that rich aristocrats are wierd but just because the corpse was foriegn/exotic doesn't change the fact they were eating corpses. Truly bizzare
@@nthequation5677They didn't actually do a lot of that stuff, you know? Like that old story about using mummies as fuel for example? It was entirely apocryphal, there wasn't any actual documented source or evidence that it actually happened. A lot of things like that or the "eating mummies" or " unwrapping parties" and all that other old colonial guilt stuff was made up after the fact when the people in Egypt in later times (who actually genetically resemble the muslim invaders of egypt, rather than it's actual ancient people, but that's another matter) didn't quite know that much about actual archeology. So they just guessed at a lot of the strange things that these foreign peoples wanted to do with all this stuff they dug up.
@@AnnoyedSonicI admit I'm almost morbidly curious what they tasted like. Not that I'd ever even want to try it myself. But I can't imagine it tasted very good, probably very leathery and maybe incredibly salty.
20:21 “is it too much to ask for a little girlboss mummy murder action?” And so a finger curls on the monkeys paw, Tom Cruise’s the mummy (2017) answers your cry
You will not believe how much I cheered at a callback to the amontillado bit And that's secondary to how hard u cheered upon hearing "TRULY A VICTORY FOR THE FORCES OF JUSTICE!!!"
This reminded me of a story that my partner retold me recently. He loves Ancient Egyptian mythology and has since he was little. At one point, he had a school project that he had to do an essay or something on (I can’t remember the specifics). He decided to write a detailed description of the mummification process. His teachers were so horrified that they scheduled a counseling session with him and his mom to make sure everything was alright at home (which it was). He’s still salty about that over a decade later. Also, the fact that the statement “mummies are rare because people ate them” is true is more than a little upsetting.
It... always struck me as hilarious that one of the major justifications/tropes behind colonialism was to work against 'cannibalistic savages' considering the fact that medicinal cannibalism was a done thing in Europe, and I don't just mean the mummy powder stuff. Executed criminals often had parts of them removed or eaten for medical purposes.
Mummies are like the mirror version of vampires. Live in an overly sunny and hot climate. Surrounded by bright yellows. Sleep in a big corpse container (sarcophagus) direct connections to gods. Wonder if there's any shows or media depicting them as rivals
IIRC, The Mummy was going to be the main antagonist of Dracula after "Dracula Untold" if the Universal Monsterverse had worked...There's also some hints of this in the first season of Penny Dreadful, where the main female character is strongly implied to be an incarnation of an Egyptian goddess, but it never goes anywhere (great series, tho, check it out!)
Raising my hand for a deeper exploration of the Egyptian concept of the soul, their funeral rituals, and maybe just a general look at the book of the dead as a whole. That's absolutely fascinating.
Speaking of HP Lovecraft, I always considered the story "Cold Air" to be a kind of Mummy story. Just the method of preservation after death is refrigeration and sorcery instead of embalming and sorcery.
So I was 6 years old, and ancient Egypt was my favorite thing in the world. I was also in a very fortunate situation where my dad made some pretty decent money. For my 7th birthday he took me to Chicago to see the King Tut exhibit that had been coming through. That day I learned two things. 1) Museums, particularly that exhibit, have a very strong, recognizable, and not exactly pleasant scent. 2) Adults suck. I was barely tall enough to see anything and people kept blocking my view and I heard more than once that "a kid shouldn't be here". This video gave me the same excitement that I felt when I was that age. So thank you.
Native Chicagoan. We all agree the Field Museum smells like mothballs and century old birds. (Fun fact, some of those birds were acquired by Nathan Leopold, one of the guys "Rope" was based on, look up Leopold and Loeb, it's great.)
This is insane, the only reason adults I know even went to museums was to take kids out, and we went with our school class too, education IS FOR KIDS, literally!
Abby Cox did a video earlier this month on how that whole thing happened! Tl;dr awful translation ability likely played a significant part in conflating mummy flesh with a component used in the mummification process which was claimed to have health benefits & people just kinda didn't question it too much for a bit there
@@MartyMango0 I wonder if the increased difficulty of fact-checking in the past made people more accepting of the whole "Mummy dust of good for you" thing. Nowadays, we have search engines and an overwhelming collection of information(all with varying degrees of accuracy and such) to use to discern whether claims are true or not. Now, the internet has also shortened our attention spans, so actually taking the time to fact check stuff is a whole other question.
@@sourdrop yeah no way nowadays with all information on our fingertips a guy who suggested injecting bleach and horse dewormer against viruses would be in a CLOSE RUN IN ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT OF THE RICHEST COUNTRY AMIRITE?!
The line of 'logic' that led to Europeans using mumia as a drug for centuries isn't miles away from a recent "can we just use bleach internally to kill covid" debacle... The more people change, and all that! 😬
This is the first time I’ve ever been interested in the mummy as a “monster” trope and I really have to thank you guys for that. Now excuse me while I put the world’s chillest yet disgruntled mummy into my DND campaign.
@ Indeed, the location it’s set in is a private island that’s pretty much a glorified retirement home for the extremely rich and famous in a 1930’s type setting, and one of the locations was already going to be a gigantic mega museum, lots of fun to be had.
@@starmaker75Especially since they tend to basically want the young whippersnappers to get off their lawn/out of their tomb. Unless one of them is the reincarnation of their lost love or something.
i just read a neat tumblr post that said that Mummies should be really strong against vampires. "A mummy is a corpse that’s been consecrated and transformed into a holy object through a sacred religious process, and if it’s up and walking around it’s probably because of the divine powers of the real actual gods. To a vampire, a mummy is a man made of plutonium"
44:45 this is a great example of why it’s total BS when ppl say that old-timey folks “didn’t know better” when it comes to exploitative and bigoted cultural practices. They did know better. A lot of the socially conscious discussions we have in the modern day absolutely happened back then as well, they were just overshadowed by the popular attitudes of the time period and lost due to lack of preservation or lack of attention. Unlike now, where we live in an age of democratized communication, where almost everyone’s voice can be heard at any time, and that voice can be preserved much more easily. In conclusion, don’t make excuses for racist, imperialist dipshits who have been dead for ages. Acknowledge their wrongdoings and rectify them.
NO OSP!!!!! YOU MUST NOT READ FROM THE BOOK!!!! For anyone who wants to learn more about the Egyptian concept of the soul, mummification or Egyptomania let me know and I’ll get you the sources I used to help out 😁 There is plenty to cover and I can go more in-depth for those who want to get more detail!
Man it's ironic that the one pharaoh who suffered a lot in life yet still tried to be nice to everyone, even going as far to revert the religion his own father started just for his people ended up having the one tomb that was undisturbed & actually respected. It's as if divinity intervened just because the dude was actually nice to his subjects & family despite his short reign & constant suffering. Makes me want to give him a salute just for being a true man, showing goodwill & determination despite unending hardships & pain.
As a Black woman who's ancestors are from Punt (historically traded extensively with Egypt) and who's best friends growing up were Black Egyptians, we were always told growing up that our people had died out. And it was always _very funny_ to say _Hello! I am here! ^ᴗ^_ *So I'd like to thank u OSP for this very respectful & thoughtful video!*
Guess you guys are the never wrapped mummies. I guess never being in a tomb and "discovered" is why we don't hear about this 3rd type who are the living thought dead.
I gotta say, I REALLY like the dynamic of Blue going through the timeline describing what's going on in the world and Red jumping in with what was happening culturally in the stories being told at the time. Would be cool to see you guys do other cultural regions and the evolution of their effects on culture over time.
I like the idea that the bandaged mummies aren’t a different “subspecies” of mummy, for lack of a better term, from the rehydrated ones. And instead that those with sorcery and magic just have a higher chance of retaining their sense of self and being able to repair their vessels where as others don’t have that same level of spiritual “awakedness” to do so. It would handily explain why all of the rehydrates mummies seem for have at least cursory magic powers or effects about them.
14:00 Egyptologist: You're not even a real fan. Name three pharaohs. Victorian Englishwoman: Ramses Egyptologist: Fine then, name two more Victorian Englishwoman: "blinks" I Did. Egyptologist: ... Touché
15:27 Reds daintiest, gentlest, Victorian cough made me laugh more than it should. Who knew Red of all people could muster a kitten cough? (Was expecting it from Blue tbh)
Delighted to find out that 'The Jewel of Seven Stars' being written by Stoker, being that interesting, and being the original-ish story of the Mummy movies. Never knew it existed.
And so, another year has passed in the dungeons of Chateou d'If, Edmond Dantes is still plotting his revenge on Red for denying him that Count of Monte Cristo review. A few more years and fated 14 years will pass...
To be fair, The Count of Monte Cristo is a STEP UP STOOL of a book! I read it in original version (French being my first language), and that specific edition has managed to keep the physical book to reasonable size by printing on terribly thin, dictionary-like paper... I joked that I could read two pages ahead of the page I was on! 😂
It wasn’t until the early 20th century that mummies took on a creepier, more sinister vibe, thanks to horror films and the "curse of the pharaoh" tales. This evolution shows how cultural anxieties and interests shape the way we interpret myths-what was once exotic and alluring became terrifying as societies changed. So, yes, the “hot mummy” and “cool mummy” were strutting their stuff long before they started haunting us from the shadows
I find it interesting that around the 90s there was a distinct shift from mummies as scary to something heroic. "Mummies alive" "Yu-Gi-Oh " and even power rangers borrowed Egyptian styling and mythology for their heroes, and i feel theres other shows im forgetting lol
I LOVE seeing both of you do a video like this where you both collaborate so much to build a narrative! I think that it's so interesting to see how the art and evolving historical knowledge of ancient Egypt interacted to create the modern understanding of mummies in media
Blue's spooky background just being Red's spooky background flipped and with a different color filter on it is exactly what I would have expected from OSP.
Jewel of Seven Stars is on Project Guttenberg 😁 Im definitely going to read it P.S. Project Guttenberg has all sorts of books that have entered public domain, completely free for download or online reading
Fun fact, the salt they used to mummify dead bodies is the same thing people use as a saline rinse to clean out their sinuses. It's a naturally occurring compound of baking soda and table salt.
Egyptomania (and especially Tutmania) is also the precursor to dungeon-crawling! The idea of a dangerous subterranean adventure environment full of treasure and monsters took shape in their wake.
@evandill liches actually come from the Russian folktale character of Koschei the Deathless, a mage that hid the key to his immortality away so he couldn't be killed.
@@evandillyou are forgetting that mummies are a separate monster in D&D. By all accounts the Mummy Lord is a cleric based version of a lich, (where a lich is a wizard that used a magical ritual to give themselves undeath a Mummy Lord uses a religious one.)
@@intergalactic92 Not the OP, but that's a later addition to the DnD roster - Liches as intelligent undead show up right from ADnD, but mummies only gain a version that isn't just a particularly dangerous shambling undead in 2nd edition with the Greater Mummy - though so far as I can tell, they're noted to be Ravenloft-exclusive there. Furthermore, the actual Lich comparison of persistently coming back from the dead until an artefact is destroyed only seems to appear in 5e - at least in so far as the core stats are concerned. That being said, I'm pretty sure Fralexion is correct when Koschei the Deathless is the Lich inspiration.
The new halloween special is both talking about the stories of the mummy but also the historical context that its based in? TRULY A VICTORY FOR THE FORCES OF JUSTICE!!! (I was so delighted when you brought that bit back)
Oh heck yes! I always wondered why mummies were less scary zombies As soon as Red started describing the The Mummy from the 1930s, I thought “Hey, wait a minute. This sounds an awful lot like The Mummy from 1999.” I was hoping and genuinely surprised that the 1999 version made its into the video. My week has been made. Also, the time period and Evie being British makes so much more sense now.
@@OverlySarcasticProductions oh when I counted them and found that there were 7 later in the video I thought it was a literary reference you faithfully recreated due to the 7 parts of the soul.
Has anyone else noticed that the shots Red chose from the 30's version of The Mummy are also the most iconic scenes that were reshot in the Brendan Frasier version? I love that! It really shows how heavily influencing that 30's film was, which underlines the things Red is saying to that effect over these clips. I see you, video editor. A+ job!
oh i adored the throwback vibes of this video. the victory for the forces of justice, the ardeth bae-joke, lovecraft being Here, and the reference to the poe video with the amontillado at the end! amazing work, both of you, this was so well put together.
I adore the OSP tag-tram format of this one, trading back and forth between the history (including the metahistory of how much people understood the actual history at given points in time) and the literature that was a product of different points in history. I imagine making this script and recording it was more work than they usually are, but this is a good format when it suits the subject.
2:00 thanks for actually talking about the history of mummies. I know history and myths are this channel's whole thing, but Egyptian Mythology is really culturally important to me. I'm Coptic Orthodox which is like a whole ethno-religious group but I like to dumb it down as "indigenous Egyptian". A lot of my culture is lost and obfuscated so most inaccurate media portrayals of that culture really piss me off. I'd love to see more Egyptian stuff covered on the channel
The whole flip-flopping between horror and awe is A Thing for Lovecraft. The Deep Ones in "The Shadow over Innsmouth" have their... implications, yes, but they're also a super-advanced civilization that occupies all their time by making glorious if spooky art, which seems like a bit of an escapist fantasy. There's that whole part about "living in wonder and glory forever" that some scholars think is mad ranting and some say could be taken at face value. In "Pickman's Model", Pickman, a creepy, ambigiously human painter, whose thing are sanity-blasting pictures of ghouls munching on people, is stated to be honestly impressive and great despite painting Blasphemous HorrorsTM. "At the Mountains of Madness" has a line where the horrific aliens are stated to be "men of their time" and their art and culture, once understood by the explorers, are highly praised. Even that part when Cthulhu awakens in "The Call..." is full of awe. Horrified awe, but awe nonetheless. I chalk it up to Lovecraft being both xenophobic and clearly seeing himself as the outsider, so his depiction of the monstrous Other can be a bit paradoxical.
There are too many cool words out there that are criminally underused. So I'll fully enjoy the beauty of hearing cool words I may or may not have heard before. 😊
No for real tho, sometimes what i mean is a little to the left of the word for the thing so i gotta clarify that in case it's important information to the listening party!
Theres so many different flavors tho, some examples "The ramble", just so many thing going on and on and on... "The amalgam", as i write multiple versions of the same sentence and of what i wanna say will mix combine like such as this "The essence of though", my default as a child, where its a thing ive thought about so much ive distilled it into a few words that you would need a philosophy student to unpack the denseness of connections And yeah the one right above too
Honestly this has become one of my favorite videos one this channel. The way you two cover both the history and literature of the mummies is not only just incredibly, but it's structured and paced in an incredible manner. And the fact that it's essentially an OSP all star episode with so many old figures from previous videos popping up, makes it so cool. I know this likely took months or even longer to make, but I would honestly love more of these long form, joint effort videos.
I love your version of this song, Red! Your description of Egyptomania made something from Mercedes Lackey's The Serpent's Shadow fit better in my head. The male lead specifically trades in well made replicas of Egyptian artifacts, made in Egypt, because they're super popular. But because this is a setting where magic and spirits are real, actual artifacts are likely to be haunted or otherwise spooky. So he sells stuff that's enough like the real thing to show off, but without the supernatural aspects.
Stars, Truly a Victory for the Forces of Justice was a much needed hit of nostalgia. I'm not quite "I grew up watching you", but I did watch you a lot in late highschool, and life sucked way less back then.
@llewelynshingler2173 I mean, a lot of the "horror" tales he wrote are almost comedic when viewed from the right angle, The Telltale Heart and the Cask of Amontillado especially. With the narrator of the first basically says "I'm not crazy, YOU'RE CRAZY" and in the latter there's a bit where Fortunado has a cough and is like "Don't worry, I won't *die* of it" and Montresor literally says "True, true," - they're just dripping with dark irony.
Stupid mummies. Of course after hundreds of years inflation would have eaten up their savings. They should have invested the money instead of locking it away.
Ok using Bring Me To Life at the end was ABSOLUTE GENIUS! Loved this awesome video, well done to all involved! Edit: also I’m SO GLAD you noticed the parallels between Imhotep and Dracula, I thought I was the only one!
20:20 as much as we love seeing Red be Steadfastly Ace it’s genuinely hilarious when the version of her from the timeline where she’s not takes over for a millisecond and then leaves
Hey Red, i know you said a Halloween or two back that you felt like you'd exhausted all the classic spooky books, but I've been thinking that Phantom of the Opera would make a great Halloween episode. The musical is so well known, but hardly anyone seems to have actually READ the book or even knows there IS a book. And there are enough differences that it would be a lot like the Dracula or Jekyll and Hyde videos. Just thought I'd throw this out there since I'm early for once! I always look forward to these Halloween specials!!! Thank you for all the time and energy you put into this channel ❤❤❤
@@METALGEARMATRIX Congrats! Halloween weddings are awesome by default, change my mind. As a huge Phantom Fan myself, I read the book and was fascinated by the original story and just how much the musical left out. I still have a bias towards the musical since it was a huge part of my childhood, but I still love and appreciate the book all the same. Here's hoping OSP will tackle the Phantom either next year or the years to come! And I hope you and your wife will have a happy marriage together!
27:18 it’s worth mentioning that this attitude of “ancient Egypt is better than modern Egypt” goes back to the very first colonial missions against it by Europeans - namely, the invasion of Napoleon. Firstly, in complete fairness, there’s an argument to be made that that’s a reaonable assessment of Egypt. In the time of the classical and bronze ages, Egypt was the height of advancement, production, and wealth. Even into the early and high Middle Ages, Egypt was still a center of culture and development under Arab rule. By the beginning of the 19th century though, it had suffered extreme stagnation under the Mamluks. Due in part to the immense wealth and population of the region, very little had changed within Egypt since the 14th century. Meanwhile, its title as the breadbasket of the western world was taken by the Americas, and its title as the center of development and trade had been usurped by the ottomans and early colonial nations. It’s not that Egypt wasn’t still wealthy, but it no longer had any of the advantages it used to have on the world stage. Knowing this, is it any surprise that when the invading French showed up in Alexandria expecting a city on par with Paris or Amsterdam, they were somewhat disappointed? From the perspective of Napoleon and his cadre, Arab invaders had neglected and disrespected the legacy of ancient Egypt - after all, they had no way of knowing that the stagnation occurring in Egypt was due almost entirely to geopolitical trends, and was a relatively recent problem. The fact that the notoriously riotous citizens of Alexandria and Cairo saw right through napoleon’s attempts at integration definitely didn’t help the French perception of their would-be subjects either. There’s also the factor of climate, the growth of trans-Atlantic trade at the expense of Mediterranean/Red Sea trade, and any number of things that a 19th century French soldier had no way to know about, and no desire to learn about considering how tense Franco-Egyptian relations became over the course of the occupation. Then, as happens with military excursions, especially failed ones, the colonizers went back home and told their stories of how the enemy was subhuman and barbaric. Interestingly, this is a recurring trend in Egyptian history; people conquer the land, build it up, and then ride the coat tails of their success until they can’t anymore and are conquered in turn. Of course, the previous holders of Egypt are always mocked as lazy and violent (a bit of an oxymoron if you think about it) by their occupiers.
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Love your channel. I’ve learned so much from it. Speaking of icons, is there any chance you’ll do a video on the Black Knight?
What about ghosts?
i have a serriously big question: if tut-anch amun got sick should i call his mummy?
I KNEWW IT WAS GUNNA BE MUMMIES! how about the wendigo? It has interesting history in north america
Thank you for the extra moment paid to Oded Fehr/Ardeth Bay :). He deserves it.
"Name Three Pharaohs"
"Ramses"
"That's on me, I set the bar too low."
Yeah pretty much, same as when someone claims to ve decendend from king henry.... Which one?!
@@SingingSealRiana or Queen Mary/Elizabeth... Or kind Louis, damn, i have mad respect for Historians who have to deal with name confusion.
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Sneferu (Ḥr-nb-mꜣꜥt-snfr-wj)
@@despinasgarden.4100 Or, if you're of the German persuasion, Wilhelm. It seems that at least since the fall of the Roman Empire, nobility has a strange tendency of being rather uncreative with the naming schema.
Wilhelm is another that got repeated a fair bit.
I always absolutely loved the fact that "hot mummy" and "cool mummy" tropes are actually *older* than "horror mummy" one
More than that, sympathetic mummies are older than the pure evil ones. Although I am annoyed neither of them mentioned Yu-Gi-Oh once. Yu-Gi-Oh's early manga had a whole "Pharaohs curse" bit before it was retconned and Atem himself is a thinly veiled expy of King Tut, being a teenage Pharaoh who died mysteriously and young, whose tomb was discovered intact in the modern day after being "lost" for millennia.
Also "Comedic modern social commentary mummy", which I think is a currently underutilized trope
“Yeah, mummies are spooky…. but what would it be like to date one?”
They're the inverse vampires!
@infiniteds9353 i actually have a story revolving around the "ancient Egyptian ruler falls for the reincarnation of their ancient lover after being revived" trope in one of my Yu-Gi-Oh fics, with a side of Thackery Binx. Mana/Dark Magician Girl dies taking a death blow meant for Atem, and Atem is cursed to turn into an immortal cat with a fraction of his magic power and forced to guard the object sealing his power. Worse, unlike Binx, Atem can't talk in cat form, so by the time Mana's reincarnation unseals him by accident and partially breaks the curse, he's in a very precarious mental state. He flips back and forth between pushing the girl away and clinging to her as the first and only human he can talk to in millennia, because the curse has a second catch: he's doomed to fall in love with Mana's reincarnation just like he fell in love with the original, and once he falls in love with her, he's cursed to watch her die all over again. And have I mentioned Renee, the incarnation in question, is from the 18th century, and witch hunts are kicking into high gear in her village?
I do love how the newer Mummy film is “mummy wakes up and becomes undead monster trying to kill the good guys”, while the old one is “mummy wakes up and does what any of us would do in his place: becomes a famous Egyptologist”
I mean he also tries to murder people but that's another story
Too bad there wasnt i, me and inhutep romcom, when there were that many romcoms made.
It could even just be an extreme rim van winckling.
Or a female archiologist, get told, you tdistrurbed my rest, the curse deands you be part of me. Oh no, ..., You can just hang around, i mean, the curse, i didnt make it, maybe ther eis a way to stop it but you got to stay around and we gots see each other enough. Sorry. I am sick of all that dead curious people.
So you can come with me to my parents, Are you sure, yeah we gotta tell a story. XD
If I had infinite guesses, I wouldn't have guessed "Houdini-sponsored Houdini fanfiction by HP Lovecraft."
That's the kind of thing even 1,000 monkeys typing away on 1,000 typewriters for 1,000 years would never type up.
Does anyone remember that short lived tv show, about Houdini and Arthur Conan Doyle teaming up to solve mysteries? If not, then maybe I fever dreamed it...
@HandofOmega I remember watching a couple of episodes, but, I admittedly do not remember the series very well.
I watched every episode of that show (I think) on my phone whilst sitting in random dark hallways in the basements of my university. 'Twas great ambiance.
@@williwiebe what was it called?
"I support women's rights, _and_ women's wrongs!"
"Is it too much to ask for a little girl boss mommy?"
These two quotes back to back aren't what I expected to hear this Halloween, but boy am I glad I heard them.
Fucking PREACH!
They're not what we asked for but what we needed
Based and hell yes
So much yes.
We totally need more girl boss mummies
Fun fact, houdini was offended that lovecraft made him faint several times. I don't know ow the exact quote but he basically said something like, "I wouldn't faint. I don't faint."
(Houdini reading an X Reader fic that was inspired by him) I would *NOT* fucking say that.
Houdini actually reacting to situations of extreme stress with fainting would have made his whole escape artist career terminally short I feel.
It feels weird having both Blue _and_ Red in a video. Like, they share the channel, but it still has the vibe of a collab.
Detail Diatribes?
Now they just have to Fusion Dance into Purple one video.
@@DragonbIaze052 DD has more of a podcast vibe though
Detail diatribe is also a collab
Holy shit! OSP crossed over with OSP!!
20:13 “Jewels of the Seven Stars” convinced me that ”Dracula” wasn’t just a fluke, and Bram Stoker was really into monster girls. The man would be THRIVING if he lived today.
Truly one of us fr
And he may or may not have been in love with Oscar Wilde. A man ahead of his time.
Ever see "Lair of the White Worm"? Not sure how close it is to the book, but there's a heck of a monster gal in the movie (which also stars a very young Peter Capaldi and Hugh Grant)!
@@samuelbarber6177 I MUST KNOW MORE RIGHT NOW
And he (at least compared to the standards of his time, which is not much by today’s standards) did his GODDAMNED RESEARCH! He would be ADORED on AO3 if he was alive todsy
"Mummy on the Orient Express" from Doctor Who always really stuck out to me. A soldier, wounded in a forgotten war from thousands of years ago forced to act as an unwilling executioner. Never being able to rest before the war was over. It was beautiful
Something I feel modern depictions of The Mummy monster have forgotten about; is the thing that makes it unique from the other undead monsters, The Curse. Unlike zombies or vampires, the mummy is not just going after random people. Its specifically targeting the people who broke into his resting place, took all his stuff, and basically kidnapped his dead body to another nation. The Horror has a karmic undertone to the whole thing. "If you had just mindes your own business and respected the dead. You would not be dying in terror right now"
If anything, Scooby Doo of all things even respects that part better. In the OG series you get a dude in mummy outfit, but he's "animated" to get "his" stuff back, and is explicitly targeting the guys that opened the tomb. (On the form of replacing them with stone statues)
It's so wild.
"Return the slab....."
The funniest thing is that "The Curse" was sort of REAL. It was just... really old mold and bacteria and diseases that the first people to go into the tomb got, before it was properly aired out.
Another nation? Most mummies are in Egypt. And grave robbers, even if foreign, are often dying in these films before anything can get moved out of country.
"Curse the fiends, their children too... and THEIR children, forever, true..."
I absolutely love that format where Red and Blue pingpong between historical context and how the culture followed. I really want that to be more common. Thanks for that video.
For real tho!
alas, twice the wonderful collabaration of the vid, twice the work for the both of them. Still hoping they'll do more of these co-op projects, but it will probably not be common unless they cut down on other videos. Then again, Red did say she was getting bored with the miscallaneous myths series...? What Im implying is thusly, I, too, would love these to become a mutlple times a year thing, but barring such demands, I still wish they start doing something like one of these once a year.
yes so true!
I really like this format. History on one end and cultural explanation on the other.
They sorta did it for King Arthur. Any time you’ve got a character archetype that has a documented historical evolution, there’s a good chance Red will get Blue to do some historical background if it’s fascinating enough
20:38 Bram Stoker was vary good at doing research for the books he made. I can only comment on Dracula (Partially because i read it and also because i am a tranylvanian). Stoker describes the languages, geography, foods, superstitions and history perfectly to the point that it really warms my heart to see my culture represented so well in the work that is still responsible for making it moderately known to this day.
That's actually really cool
@@moonlight4665 What is also really cool is how Dracula can be read as an allegory for “the immigrant”. As he has existed in Transylvania for centuries but its people whisening up presents a danger to his ability to hunt and survive (which is why he looks old). He doesn’t necessarily want ot leave his home but circumstances are slowly forcing him to. However he is also genuinely fascinated with england, its culture, its costumes which is why he asks Jonathan to help him batter adjust. Dracula is also obsessed with appearing as english like as possible (to the point where he learned to speak with no accent) not only to remove suspicion from himself but because he knows he would be looked down upon as an immigrant by anyone who notices his differences.
There is so much depth to this character and this novel that is simply not gotten from reading it with a western perspective.
I'm American, and actual Transylvanian people sounds almost like a myth to me. The error is, of course, entirely my own. I'm charmed to see this comment.
@@borkabrak No problem. I know someone who once told a british person they were from transylvania and the british person was like “Haha im from Narnia but where are you from actually?”
BTW im not only Transylvanian but i am actually part of the exact same ethnic group Dracula claimed to be a part of. And yes the forests and mountains are as beautiful here as they were described in the book (including the mountian with a flat top called “The Seat of God”).
If you’re interested in anything or want to ask a question about the place or people i’de be happy to answer.
Do the movies’ Transylvania actually look like the real life Transylvania? I almost feel like they’re missing something. I’m just curious
Ok so, I think this format is cool. The back and forth of Red and Blue talking about the different aspects of the same topic is fun, kinda like Detail Diatribe, but more focused and less focused at the same time. It's hard to explain, still, I like it.
For sure i really like the dynamic of talking history and then folklore/media and adding historical context in general to the developing mythos surrounding the mummy
The venn diagram gets closer to a circle
If they wanna use this for other video structures I wouldn't be complaining
This is kinda the vibe i was getting from the back to back gilgamish & pyramids of ur videos. I hope they do more like this I really liked hearing abt the historical context
Same for me too! What's great is how the historical contexts help make the folklore parts clarify things better, and vice-versa. I've noticed that when there's some movies/shows that are set in Britain over certain time periods, the Egyptomania of the time often gets told - but this video shows that the rabbit-hole goes down real deep.
20:29 Mummy? Sorry. Mummy? Sorry. Mummy? Sorry. Mummy? Sorry.
Are you my mummy?
@@PatrickCervantez Doctor, if you could concentrate.
Freudian slip
Lol
The Pharos curse is too good for you
I love that the Egyptians had a reason why you sometimes get in arguements with your own brain.
Also, such a funny coincidence that this monster has a "Handbook for the Recently Deceased."
A lot of cultures actually have a concept of the soul/spirit that's not entirely synonymous with the self but seems to be sometimes its own agent sometimes getting in conflict with the self
@johannesschnauber4880 I didn't know that. Most cultures I'm familiar with have the soul be an integral part of the self.
i did not realize that Egypt had so much influence on 1920s fashion
I did. Granted, I have two modern dresses ripped from that specific 1920s craze.
*western/american fashion
@@anomanees Wait 'til you find out the fashion trends in North Africa, Asia, Australia, and South America.
Same
Me too! I'm never going to be able to unsee it! I don't know how I didn't notice before!
Zombies are the common undead, vampires are the aristocratic undead, mummies are the royal undead.
That is a genuinely a good way of looking at it
I'll accept that hierarchy.
And liches are goth undead
I see it more as Humanity's decreasing deification of Death over time, with Mummies being the oldest and most sacred, then Vampires representing aristocrats and their wealth to afford tombs, and then the common modern Zombie, who gets a simple grave.
Such is the power of Nagash
Imhotep's plan in that 1932 movie is really "put that soul back in, take that soul back out, put that soul back in, and turn it all about"
This comment is underrated. That is almost exactly what happens.
Blue wasn't joking when he said the British devoured the material
Because nothing sounds more appetizing than 3,000 year old dead person
@@AnnoyedSonic Right? I get that rich aristocrats are wierd but just because the corpse was foriegn/exotic doesn't change the fact they were eating corpses. Truly bizzare
@@nthequation5677They didn't actually do a lot of that stuff, you know?
Like that old story about using mummies as fuel for example? It was entirely apocryphal, there wasn't any actual documented source or evidence that it actually happened.
A lot of things like that or the "eating mummies" or " unwrapping parties" and all that other old colonial guilt stuff was made up after the fact when the people in Egypt in later times (who actually genetically resemble the muslim invaders of egypt, rather than it's actual ancient people, but that's another matter) didn't quite know that much about actual archeology. So they just guessed at a lot of the strange things that these foreign peoples wanted to do with all this stuff they dug up.
The British: I can’t believe these savages would eat human corpses like that! Don’t they know they have to age for several millennia first?
@@AnnoyedSonicI admit I'm almost morbidly curious what they tasted like. Not that I'd ever even want to try it myself. But I can't imagine it tasted very good, probably very leathery and maybe incredibly salty.
20:21 “is it too much to ask for a little girlboss mummy murder action?” And so a finger curls on the monkeys paw, Tom Cruise’s the mummy (2017) answers your cry
ugh, we don't mention THAT movie.
Came here to say this.
I think you mean THE UMM!
And it stank. Like most movies that has him in him
@@LKMNOP Any good movie with Tom Cruise in it is good in spite of him, not because of him.
46:55 "AMV" - Animated Mummy Video
You will not believe how much I cheered at a callback to the amontillado bit
And that's secondary to how hard u cheered upon hearing "TRULY A VICTORY FOR THE FORCES OF JUSTICE!!!"
TRUELY A VICTORY FOR THE FORCES OF JUSTICE!
Same I did the hardest double take at blues escape
So glad he got some time outta the basement, it’s good enrichment
Same I've been subbed for years so seeing them reference their old videos is always hilarious
where is the victory for the fources of justice from?
I remember the basement, but don't remember that reference.
I was thoroughly unprepared for Osiris' pin to be him in the stock family guy death pose. Actually had me laugh out loud
I'm half surprised it wasn't the Yamcha death pose.
@@Archgeek0 that could be a variant of the pin. Good idea
Suddenly realizing just how justified Rick Riordan's attempts at including Egyptian Mythology in his stories really is.
This reminded me of a story that my partner retold me recently.
He loves Ancient Egyptian mythology and has since he was little. At one point, he had a school project that he had to do an essay or something on (I can’t remember the specifics). He decided to write a detailed description of the mummification process.
His teachers were so horrified that they scheduled a counseling session with him and his mom to make sure everything was alright at home (which it was).
He’s still salty about that over a decade later.
Also, the fact that the statement “mummies are rare because people ate them” is true is more than a little upsetting.
It... always struck me as hilarious that one of the major justifications/tropes behind colonialism was to work against 'cannibalistic savages' considering the fact that medicinal cannibalism was a done thing in Europe, and I don't just mean the mummy powder stuff. Executed criminals often had parts of them removed or eaten for medical purposes.
@ Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
But yeah, the irony is real.
To be fair, we desecrated mummies in a lot of other ways too.
The fuck?
Some of them were turned into makeup
Mummies are like the mirror version of vampires. Live in an overly sunny and hot climate. Surrounded by bright yellows. Sleep in a big corpse container (sarcophagus) direct connections to gods.
Wonder if there's any shows or media depicting them as rivals
Damn it you are right!!!
i can think of two, the older world of darkness lore (TTRPG), and Warhammer fantasy (old world, games and books)
I'd argue that the mirror version of vampires are spirits, since they are often invisible
IIRC, The Mummy was going to be the main antagonist of Dracula after "Dracula Untold" if the Universal Monsterverse had worked...There's also some hints of this in the first season of Penny Dreadful, where the main female character is strongly implied to be an incarnation of an Egyptian goddess, but it never goes anywhere (great series, tho, check it out!)
The world of darkness universe occasionally does. They're famous for vampire the masquerade and werewolf the apocalypse!
Raising my hand for a deeper exploration of the Egyptian concept of the soul, their funeral rituals, and maybe just a general look at the book of the dead as a whole. That's absolutely fascinating.
Speaking of HP Lovecraft, I always considered the story "Cold Air" to be a kind of Mummy story. Just the method of preservation after death is refrigeration and sorcery instead of embalming and sorcery.
It's also fun because the big scary Science that being played with is...air conditioning.
@@Stray7 Yeah, as an HVAC tech, that had me laughing out loud when I read it.
So I was 6 years old, and ancient Egypt was my favorite thing in the world. I was also in a very fortunate situation where my dad made some pretty decent money. For my 7th birthday he took me to Chicago to see the King Tut exhibit that had been coming through. That day I learned two things.
1) Museums, particularly that exhibit, have a very strong, recognizable, and not exactly pleasant scent.
2) Adults suck. I was barely tall enough to see anything and people kept blocking my view and I heard more than once that "a kid shouldn't be here".
This video gave me the same excitement that I felt when I was that age. So thank you.
Kids should be very often in museums, it's what turns them into cultured adults
Native Chicagoan. We all agree the Field Museum smells like mothballs and century old birds. (Fun fact, some of those birds were acquired by Nathan Leopold, one of the guys "Rope" was based on, look up Leopold and Loeb, it's great.)
This is insane, the only reason adults I know even went to museums was to take kids out, and we went with our school class too, education IS FOR KIDS, literally!
46:24 ...Okay so when are we getting the full acoustic cover of Wake Me Up, Red?
Because like... CHILLS.
"I'm just happy I got out of the Amontillado Cellar!"
That is a beautiful and DEEP reference to their OG works and I love it xD
Which hilariously I watched not too long ago
Got a damn good laugh out of that XD
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Ironically the mummy is less scary than the people who decided to turn the mummy into food seasoning.
Abby Cox did a video earlier this month on how that whole thing happened! Tl;dr awful translation ability likely played a significant part in conflating mummy flesh with a component used in the mummification process which was claimed to have health benefits & people just kinda didn't question it too much for a bit there
@@MartyMango0 I wonder if the increased difficulty of fact-checking in the past made people more accepting of the whole "Mummy dust of good for you" thing. Nowadays, we have search engines and an overwhelming collection of information(all with varying degrees of accuracy and such) to use to discern whether claims are true or not. Now, the internet has also shortened our attention spans, so actually taking the time to fact check stuff is a whole other question.
@@sourdrop yeah no way nowadays with all information on our fingertips a guy who suggested injecting bleach and horse dewormer against viruses would be in a CLOSE RUN IN ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT OF THE RICHEST COUNTRY AMIRITE?!
@sourdrop I dunno bud, we have tide-pod challenge, ivermectine, and subway surfers. The wealth of knowledge means nothing if it isn't used 😂
The line of 'logic' that led to Europeans using mumia as a drug for centuries isn't miles away from a recent "can we just use bleach internally to kill covid" debacle... The more people change, and all that! 😬
I am absolutely in love with the format of this video, jumping back and forth between the history and the media influenced by said history I love it
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This is the first time I’ve ever been interested in the mummy as a “monster” trope and I really have to thank you guys for that. Now excuse me while I put the world’s chillest yet disgruntled mummy into my DND campaign.
Sorry buddy, you shouldn’t have made such a hatable character from a mummy’s perspective.
The concept of an RPG dungeon you explore can also be traced back to Egyptmania, so it fits well.
@ Indeed, the location it’s set in is a private island that’s pretty much a glorified retirement home for the extremely rich and famous in a 1930’s type setting, and one of the locations was already going to be a gigantic mega museum, lots of fun to be had.
The idea of a mummy being basically a grumpy old man that seen everything is pretty fitting.
@@starmaker75Especially since they tend to basically want the young whippersnappers to get off their lawn/out of their tomb. Unless one of them is the reincarnation of their lost love or something.
i just read a neat tumblr post that said that Mummies should be really strong against vampires.
"A mummy is a corpse that’s been consecrated and transformed into a holy object through a sacred religious process, and if it’s up and walking around it’s probably because of the divine powers of the real actual gods. To a vampire, a mummy is a man made of plutonium"
Also no blood for the vampire to steal and draw power from!
basically warhammer fantasy with the Tomb Kings and Vampire Courts. They fucking hate each other
44:45 this is a great example of why it’s total BS when ppl say that old-timey folks “didn’t know better” when it comes to exploitative and bigoted cultural practices. They did know better. A lot of the socially conscious discussions we have in the modern day absolutely happened back then as well, they were just overshadowed by the popular attitudes of the time period and lost due to lack of preservation or lack of attention. Unlike now, where we live in an age of democratized communication, where almost everyone’s voice can be heard at any time, and that voice can be preserved much more easily.
In conclusion, don’t make excuses for racist, imperialist dipshits who have been dead for ages. Acknowledge their wrongdoings and rectify them.
I love the double-whammy of aligning myth and folklore with the historical context! It's a natural fit for this wonderful channel.
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NO OSP!!!!! YOU MUST NOT READ FROM THE BOOK!!!!
For anyone who wants to learn more about the Egyptian concept of the soul, mummification or Egyptomania let me know and I’ll get you the sources I used to help out 😁 There is plenty to cover and I can go more in-depth for those who want to get more detail!
I'm always here for an infodump
I want to learn more about Egyptian concept of a soul and mummification
Oh please yes!
I understood that reference! Nice!
Oh sir YES PLEASE
Man it's ironic that the one pharaoh who suffered a lot in life yet still tried to be nice to everyone, even going as far to revert the religion his own father started just for his people ended up having the one tomb that was undisturbed & actually respected. It's as if divinity intervened just because the dude was actually nice to his subjects & family despite his short reign & constant suffering. Makes me want to give him a salute just for being a true man, showing goodwill & determination despite unending hardships & pain.
Define respected...
@@samapedemantis3248 Not robbed or defiled. Accidental though probably.
Are we not going to acknowledge the absolute *drive by* of "General Nappity-Bappity"?
😁
That's what makes it so awesome.
As a Black woman who's ancestors are from Punt (historically traded extensively with Egypt) and who's best friends growing up were Black Egyptians, we were always told growing up that our people had died out. And it was always _very funny_ to say _Hello! I am here! ^ᴗ^_
*So I'd like to thank u OSP for this very respectful & thoughtful video!*
Unrelated, but it’s always amused me that there’s an actual place called “Punt”, which is a word we use to mean “kick really hard, to make it go far”
Unrelated, but it’s always amused me that there’s an actual place called “Punt”, which is a word we use to mean “kick really hard, to make it go far”
Guess you guys are the never wrapped mummies.
I guess never being in a tomb and "discovered" is why we don't hear about this 3rd type who are the living thought dead.
@@nonexistendworm3449 Richard Pryor had a very funny Egyptology skit about this!🤣
Are u Somali
YES!!! THIS IS THE THIRD YEAR IN A ROW THAT I'VE GUESSED THE HALLOWEEN VIDEO CORRECTLY!!!
I'VE STUDIED UP!
I gotta say, I REALLY like the dynamic of Blue going through the timeline describing what's going on in the world and Red jumping in with what was happening culturally in the stories being told at the time. Would be cool to see you guys do other cultural regions and the evolution of their effects on culture over time.
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I like the idea that the bandaged mummies aren’t a different “subspecies” of mummy, for lack of a better term, from the rehydrated ones. And instead that those with sorcery and magic just have a higher chance of retaining their sense of self and being able to repair their vessels where as others don’t have that same level of spiritual “awakedness” to do so.
It would handily explain why all of the rehydrates mummies seem for have at least cursory magic powers or effects about them.
“The power of *give people instant heart attacks whenever he wants*”
Huh, I didn’t realize Imhotep was Kira
Scrolling through, looking for this comment lol
Ooo, whispering the shouty rock lines of "Wake me up" makes it SO GD haunting! Never knew it was the Halloween song I needed.
That's one of the coolest freaking covers she's done!
After so many references to the ending song in the comments, for some reason I expected a whispery version of "Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go". 🤷
14:00
Egyptologist: You're not even a real fan. Name three pharaohs.
Victorian Englishwoman: Ramses
Egyptologist: Fine then, name two more
Victorian Englishwoman: "blinks" I Did.
Egyptologist: ... Touché
"That's on me, I set the bar too low"
I think you mean "Car-touche"
"Ptolomy"
I see what you did there.@@pathfindersavant3988
@@noblemile That's the bootleg Greek pharaohs.
15:27
Reds daintiest, gentlest, Victorian cough made me laugh more than it should. Who knew Red of all people could muster a kitten cough? (Was expecting it from Blue tbh)
Delighted to find out that 'The Jewel of Seven Stars' being written by Stoker, being that interesting, and being the original-ish story of the Mummy movies. Never knew it existed.
There's a very loose film adaptation called "The Awakening." Worth a look, if you can find it.
Yeah, my first reaction was, "Welp, adding _that_ to the ol' reading list."
And so, another year has passed in the dungeons of Chateou d'If, Edmond Dantes is still plotting his revenge on Red for denying him that Count of Monte Cristo review. A few more years and fated 14 years will pass...
The Count of Monte Cristo mention!
To be fair, The Count of Monte Cristo is a STEP UP STOOL of a book! I read it in original version (French being my first language), and that specific edition has managed to keep the physical book to reasonable size by printing on terribly thin, dictionary-like paper...
I joked that I could read two pages ahead of the page I was on! 😂
I've been reading an abridged version, and it's as thick as the dictionary. And you can't forget that, unlike Les Mis, the subplots all count.
Sun Wukong is acting as the Chateau guard and making sure Red doesn't start another multi year proyect untill she finishes journey to the west.
PLEEEASSSEE I NEED THE MONTE CRISTO REVIEW
It wasn’t until the early 20th century that mummies took on a creepier, more sinister vibe, thanks to horror films and the "curse of the pharaoh" tales. This evolution shows how cultural anxieties and interests shape the way we interpret myths-what was once exotic and alluring became terrifying as societies changed. So, yes, the “hot mummy” and “cool mummy” were strutting their stuff long before they started haunting us from the shadows
TRULY A VICTORY FOR THE FORCES OF JUSTICE!
That callback made me so happy.
I find it interesting that around the 90s there was a distinct shift from mummies as scary to something heroic. "Mummies alive" "Yu-Gi-Oh " and even power rangers borrowed Egyptian styling and mythology for their heroes, and i feel theres other shows im forgetting lol
Tutenstein was 2003, but I think it counts.
@@kerricaine I'm annoyed they never mentioned Yu-Gi-Oh tbh. That anime was my gateway drug to Egyptian mythology.
Stargate SG-1 has Ancient Egypt being the only reason all of humanity isn't enslaved. Though the mummies they revive are both alien overlords.
I LOVE seeing both of you do a video like this where you both collaborate so much to build a narrative! I think that it's so interesting to see how the art and evolving historical knowledge of ancient Egypt interacted to create the modern understanding of mummies in media
Blue's spooky background just being Red's spooky background flipped and with a different color filter on it is exactly what I would have expected from OSP.
Finally! this is the only reason i know that Halloween exists these days, unique folk lore analysis.
This is the best part of Halloween
Jewel of Seven Stars is on Project Guttenberg 😁
Im definitely going to read it
P.S. Project Guttenberg has all sorts of books that have entered public domain, completely free for download or online reading
Dang it, another year of waiting for Count of Monte Christo
In all honesty, this video looks awesome and can't wait for how it goes!
12 more years until the book gets its revenge!
OverlySarcasticProductions We need you to make Count of Monte Christo and Ars Goetia next Halloween!
Well you know what you need to do about it: Plan out an elaborate revenge scheme for this injustice!
"Name three pharaoh's!"
Easy, I can name at least 15: Ptolemy
My ass would go
"I can do 19, ptolemy, ramses, tut"
@@COOLERthenU That's 27.
@@sydhenderson6753 I'm bad at math but i sure know my Pharoahs
That's on me, I set the bar too low
36:27 ahhhh, to quote Across The Spiderverse: "And THIS is where the British stole all of our stuff!!"
Blink-and-you'll-miss-it fun fact: he's not pointing in that scene. He's flipping the building off.
Fun fact, the salt they used to mummify dead bodies is the same thing people use as a saline rinse to clean out their sinuses. It's a naturally occurring compound of baking soda and table salt.
Good to know I’m slowly mummifying my sinuses in preparation for burial
Egyptomania (and especially Tutmania) is also the precursor to dungeon-crawling! The idea of a dangerous subterranean adventure environment full of treasure and monsters took shape in their wake.
This whole video also made me realize that the D&D interpretation of liches borrow from the pop-culture understanding of mummies/mummification. Neat.
@evandill liches actually come from the Russian folktale character of Koschei the Deathless, a mage that hid the key to his immortality away so he couldn't be killed.
And in fact, there’s a classic D&D module called Pharaoh, which was remade for 5e in the recent Quests From the Infinite Staircase book.
@@evandillyou are forgetting that mummies are a separate monster in D&D. By all accounts the Mummy Lord is a cleric based version of a lich, (where a lich is a wizard that used a magical ritual to give themselves undeath a Mummy Lord uses a religious one.)
@@intergalactic92 Not the OP, but that's a later addition to the DnD roster - Liches as intelligent undead show up right from ADnD, but mummies only gain a version that isn't just a particularly dangerous shambling undead in 2nd edition with the Greater Mummy - though so far as I can tell, they're noted to be Ravenloft-exclusive there. Furthermore, the actual Lich comparison of persistently coming back from the dead until an artefact is destroyed only seems to appear in 5e - at least in so far as the core stats are concerned.
That being said, I'm pretty sure Fralexion is correct when Koschei the Deathless is the Lich inspiration.
Love the ending and the reference back to the amontillado! Love the video!
27:50 For some reason, I think Lovecraft looks really like Zuckerberg in this image, which is simultaneously perfect and horrendously cursed.
I didn't know so many famous writers wrote stories on Mummies. Poe, Alcott and Doyle? That's awesome!
and Stoker and Lovecraft, like wow the whole gang's there
I like that both you and Peter Hollens landed on mummies at the right monster to pair with "Bring Me to Life"
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR OUR OSP SPECIAL!!!!!!!
Sameeeeee
OMG the callback to the Edgar Allan Poe video at the end!!! 😂😂😂 Poor Blue, he's just happy to be included!
That reference made me laugh too. Wasn’t expecting it, that video was ages ago.
1:40 you have no idea how happy i was when i saw night in the museum
19:52 "That is a naked woman." "An absolute dead ringer for my daughter."
... That made me exhale very fast through my nose
The new halloween special is both talking about the stories of the mummy but also the historical context that its based in? TRULY A VICTORY FOR THE FORCES OF JUSTICE!!!
(I was so delighted when you brought that bit back)
Oh heck yes! I always wondered why mummies were less scary zombies
As soon as Red started describing the The Mummy from the 1930s, I thought “Hey, wait a minute. This sounds an awful lot like The Mummy from 1999.” I was hoping and genuinely surprised that the 1999 version made its into the video. My week has been made.
Also, the time period and Evie being British makes so much more sense now.
bro there are SO MANY fingers on that hand at 21:42
Queen Tera has seven fingers on one hand (to fit the Seven Stars theme I guess) and it is SO awkward to draw -R
Ooohh! I didn't notice that!
@@OverlySarcasticProductions Was wondering about that! For a moment, I thought the dreadful spectre of AI was at work...😉
@@OverlySarcasticProductions Big respect for the attention to detail to draw that
@@OverlySarcasticProductions oh when I counted them and found that there were 7 later in the video I thought it was a literary reference you faithfully recreated due to the 7 parts of the soul.
Has anyone else noticed that the shots Red chose from the 30's version of The Mummy are also the most iconic scenes that were reshot in the Brendan Frasier version?
I love that! It really shows how heavily influencing that 30's film was, which underlines the things Red is saying to that effect over these clips.
I see you, video editor. A+ job!
I'm shocked at how similar the actors are.
oh i adored the throwback vibes of this video. the victory for the forces of justice, the ardeth bae-joke, lovecraft being Here, and the reference to the poe video with the amontillado at the end! amazing work, both of you, this was so well put together.
I adore the OSP tag-tram format of this one, trading back and forth between the history (including the metahistory of how much people understood the actual history at given points in time) and the literature that was a product of different points in history.
I imagine making this script and recording it was more work than they usually are, but this is a good format when it suits the subject.
That ending line from Blue?
Chef's kiss.
Red mentions the Medjai @4:20. Secret societies that protect ancient knowledge or artifacts would be a great trope talk.
Also, being in a secret society that protects some ancient knowledge or artifact would be a way cooler job than the one I have now.
2:00 thanks for actually talking about the history of mummies. I know history and myths are this channel's whole thing, but Egyptian Mythology is really culturally important to me. I'm Coptic Orthodox which is like a whole ethno-religious group but I like to dumb it down as "indigenous Egyptian". A lot of my culture is lost and obfuscated so most inaccurate media portrayals of that culture really piss me off. I'd love to see more Egyptian stuff covered on the channel
31:00 omg pharonism mentioned? This is so epic and based I'm so happy
20:27 Red temporarily got possessed by the Resident Evil fandom for a sec
NO!
NONE OF THAT!
SHAME ON YOU!
@@clydenorthrup5484I can’t tell what happened between this and the Resident Evil fandom.
@@dachemistofx1667 Resident Evil Village happened. No, I will not elaborate. Research it on your own and at your own peril.
I love this combination of history, architecture, lore, and tropes. It's an amazing culmination all your efforts. Please keep up the amazing work.
The whole flip-flopping between horror and awe is A Thing for Lovecraft.
The Deep Ones in "The Shadow over Innsmouth" have their... implications, yes, but they're also a super-advanced civilization that occupies all their time by making glorious if spooky art, which seems like a bit of an escapist fantasy. There's that whole part about "living in wonder and glory forever" that some scholars think is mad ranting and some say could be taken at face value.
In "Pickman's Model", Pickman, a creepy, ambigiously human painter, whose thing are sanity-blasting pictures of ghouls munching on people, is stated to be honestly impressive and great despite painting Blasphemous HorrorsTM.
"At the Mountains of Madness" has a line where the horrific aliens are stated to be "men of their time" and their art and culture, once understood by the explorers, are highly praised.
Even that part when Cthulhu awakens in "The Call..." is full of awe. Horrified awe, but awe nonetheless.
I chalk it up to Lovecraft being both xenophobic and clearly seeing himself as the outsider, so his depiction of the monstrous Other can be a bit paradoxical.
"Never use one word when fifteen will do"
Me, autistic: yeah that makes perfect sense lol
There are too many cool words out there that are criminally underused. So I'll fully enjoy the beauty of hearing cool words I may or may not have heard before. 😊
Guilty as charged.
No for real tho, sometimes what i mean is a little to the left of the word for the thing so i gotta clarify that in case it's important information to the listening party!
Theres so many different flavors tho, some examples
"The ramble", just so many thing going on and on and on...
"The amalgam", as i write multiple versions of the same sentence and of what i wanna say will mix combine like such as this
"The essence of though", my default as a child, where its a thing ive thought about so much ive distilled it into a few words that you would need a philosophy student to unpack the denseness of connections
And yeah the one right above too
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Honestly this has become one of my favorite videos one this channel. The way you two cover both the history and literature of the mummies is not only just incredibly, but it's structured and paced in an incredible manner. And the fact that it's essentially an OSP all star episode with so many old figures from previous videos popping up, makes it so cool. I know this likely took months or even longer to make, but I would honestly love more of these long form, joint effort videos.
I love your version of this song, Red!
Your description of Egyptomania made something from Mercedes Lackey's The Serpent's Shadow fit better in my head. The male lead specifically trades in well made replicas of Egyptian artifacts, made in Egypt, because they're super popular. But because this is a setting where magic and spirits are real, actual artifacts are likely to be haunted or otherwise spooky. So he sells stuff that's enough like the real thing to show off, but without the supernatural aspects.
what a great reference!
Stars, Truly a Victory for the Forces of Justice was a much needed hit of nostalgia. I'm not quite "I grew up watching you", but I did watch you a lot in late highschool, and life sucked way less back then.
High key the songs are actually some of my favourite jokes/ references. Keep them going.
I can't help but feel that a lot of Poe's melodrama was largely intentional farse.
He named the mummy Allamistakeo, y'all.
Frankly, I'm surprised that Poe had a Non-Gloomy tale in his collection
@llewelynshingler2173 I mean, a lot of the "horror" tales he wrote are almost comedic when viewed from the right angle, The Telltale Heart and the Cask of Amontillado especially.
With the narrator of the first basically says "I'm not crazy, YOU'RE CRAZY" and in the latter there's a bit where Fortunado has a cough and is like "Don't worry, I won't *die* of it" and Montresor literally says "True, true," - they're just dripping with dark irony.
My sleep-deprived brain misread that name as Alliamisamistake at first. Make of that what you will.
@@llewelynshingler2173The Angel of the Odd is another example.
I never thought I’d see another
“TRULY A VICTORY FOR THE FORCES OF JUSTICE!”
after so long, it’s one of my favorites old OSP gags.
Glad to see them together on an episode
Mummies waking up centuries later wondering what happened to all their treasure
What happened? Brits happened, that's what
Stupid mummies.
Of course after hundreds of years inflation would have eaten up their savings. They should have invested the money instead of locking it away.
Supernatural heist movie to steal back their shit
"wait, where is our treasure?"
Mummies waking up millennia later in the middle of being ground up for medicine.
Ok using Bring Me To Life at the end was ABSOLUTE GENIUS! Loved this awesome video, well done to all involved!
Edit: also I’m SO GLAD you noticed the parallels between Imhotep and Dracula, I thought I was the only one!
20:20 as much as we love seeing Red be Steadfastly Ace it’s genuinely hilarious when the version of her from the timeline where she’s not takes over for a millisecond and then leaves
Hey Red, i know you said a Halloween or two back that you felt like you'd exhausted all the classic spooky books, but I've been thinking that Phantom of the Opera would make a great Halloween episode. The musical is so well known, but hardly anyone seems to have actually READ the book or even knows there IS a book. And there are enough differences that it would be a lot like the Dracula or Jekyll and Hyde videos.
Just thought I'd throw this out there since I'm early for once! I always look forward to these Halloween specials!!! Thank you for all the time and energy you put into this channel ❤❤❤
Yes this would be perfect for the next Halloween special
I'm gonna have to pick up a copy of the book for my soon-to-be-wife (as in in about 5 hours or so) she loves the Phantom
If we're going by the Universal Studios roster, we still have PotO, invisible men, and gilmen/sea monsters left to tackle.
@@METALGEARMATRIX Congrats! Halloween weddings are awesome by default, change my mind. As a huge Phantom Fan myself, I read the book and was fascinated by the original story and just how much the musical left out. I still have a bias towards the musical since it was a huge part of my childhood, but I still love and appreciate the book all the same. Here's hoping OSP will tackle the Phantom either next year or the years to come! And I hope you and your wife will have a happy marriage together!
Red also didn't cover the big 2 vampires that predate Dracula : Varney and Carmilla
20:08 "Don't take this the wrong way darling, but you might be stupid" is going on the list of favorite OSP lines.
"I'm just happy I got out of the amontiago cellar! :D"
I LOVE THAT CALLBACK AHHHH
27:18 it’s worth mentioning that this attitude of “ancient Egypt is better than modern Egypt” goes back to the very first colonial missions against it by Europeans - namely, the invasion of Napoleon.
Firstly, in complete fairness, there’s an argument to be made that that’s a reaonable assessment of Egypt. In the time of the classical and bronze ages, Egypt was the height of advancement, production, and wealth. Even into the early and high Middle Ages, Egypt was still a center of culture and development under Arab rule. By the beginning of the 19th century though, it had suffered extreme stagnation under the Mamluks. Due in part to the immense wealth and population of the region, very little had changed within Egypt since the 14th century. Meanwhile, its title as the breadbasket of the western world was taken by the Americas, and its title as the center of development and trade had been usurped by the ottomans and early colonial nations. It’s not that Egypt wasn’t still wealthy, but it no longer had any of the advantages it used to have on the world stage.
Knowing this, is it any surprise that when the invading French showed up in Alexandria expecting a city on par with Paris or Amsterdam, they were somewhat disappointed? From the perspective of Napoleon and his cadre, Arab invaders had neglected and disrespected the legacy of ancient Egypt - after all, they had no way of knowing that the stagnation occurring in Egypt was due almost entirely to geopolitical trends, and was a relatively recent problem.
The fact that the notoriously riotous citizens of Alexandria and Cairo saw right through napoleon’s attempts at integration definitely didn’t help the French perception of their would-be subjects either.
There’s also the factor of climate, the growth of trans-Atlantic trade at the expense of Mediterranean/Red Sea trade, and any number of things that a 19th century French soldier had no way to know about, and no desire to learn about considering how tense Franco-Egyptian relations became over the course of the occupation.
Then, as happens with military excursions, especially failed ones, the colonizers went back home and told their stories of how the enemy was subhuman and barbaric.
Interestingly, this is a recurring trend in Egyptian history; people conquer the land, build it up, and then ride the coat tails of their success until they can’t anymore and are conquered in turn. Of course, the previous holders of Egypt are always mocked as lazy and violent (a bit of an oxymoron if you think about it) by their occupiers.
Fair enough. My uncle George is from Egypt, he’s also married to my aunt Tia Georgette.
I mean ancient egypt is better than modern egypt but that doesnt give britain and France the right to steal it
The scariest thing in this video is how appropriate Red's cover of the ending song is to the subject matter.
Songs in the end are always such a nice fun touch ) Thanks