Halloween Special: Werewolves
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- You know 'em, you love 'em, but you might not know 'em quite as well as you think you do! Today let's dive into one of the big-name creatures of the night!
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God-approved werewolves would be an interesting reason for why they hate vampires.
Holy shit the plot of van helsing is making alot more sense now.
@@sir_stride I'm pretty sure the Van Helsing movie called werewolves the 'Hounds of God' pulling from lore about the werewolves that fight evil witches.
This sounds like it's related to Powerwolf.....
@@livecatgrenades I was going to make a reference to Powerwolf right now
This gave me an idea of a story in which a person way for redemption is that they have to be an vampire hunting werewolf
Medieval Werewolves: "On all levels except physical, I am a wolf."
I was gonna say, the whole ‘spirit wolf’ thing never fully went away.
The idea we actually change has always made me chortle....
Imagine! You Humans think such outrageous things...youre so silly.....
Wolfkin is older than anyone could've guessed.
“Arf!”
This made me laugh so much
I adore and hate the idea that a whole genre of erotic fiction was generated cause ONE SCIENTIST messed up ONCE. Thank you ABO fan fiction writers, immortalizing a mans mistakes one enemies to lovers at a time.
😂😂😂
W-what is ABO?
@@the24thcolossusjustchillin39 i second this question.
@@the24thcolossusjustchillin39 If you truly want an explanation I can provide it, it's not as terrifying as some people make it out to be but.. don't google it too deeply probably
@@lilliefluff I would like you to elaborate
If someone is using a wolf pelt as a garment, that’s a wear-wolf.
If they have a wolf they are looking to sell, that’s a ware-wolf
And if the wolf has achieved enlightenment, that’s an aware-wolf.
And if you can't find him, he's a where ? Wolf.
And if they think this joke has run its course, that’s a weary-wolf.
And if they're here to warn you, they're a Beware-wolf.
And if they're pushing you to do something stupid, they're a Dare-wolf.
And if they serve a dragon, they're a Weyr-wolf.
And if they're shaking with excitement, they're a Whir-wolf.
You guys are acting like such worry-wolves
_BA DUM TSSSH_
My favorite take is how Discworld’s werewolves point out that the halfway point between a wolf and a human… is a dog
I was hoping someone would mention Angua
And how the "evil" part of evil werewolves comes from the human side, not the wolf side.
Uggghhh, what was the name of that crazy mini poodle that killed dobermans because it thought wolves were just crazy violent like that?
@@elizabethlowes6501 Big Fido! God I need to re-read some of those books.
Lol
Learning about King Lycaon of Lycosura makes a werewolf named "Remus Lupin" seem downright subtle by comparison.
Well, at least the name of the werewolf is not Jack Russell
@@elizabethmagovern9250 Now I want a werewolf named Jack Russell
@@immabethehero1486 i could be wrong but i think that’s marvel’s werewolf by night’s name
@@Eddie_da_head_ Oh right
I'm legitimately not sure if JK Rowling meant it to be a twist but made it too obvious or if it was meant to be a red herring for why Snape didn't like him.
Honestly the "Psychic Werewolves who fight witches in the dream world" is rad as fuck and needs to be a novel/anime/tabletop game asap
I agree it's cool as hell
Try the manga series "QQ Sweeper" by Kyousuke Motomi. But I agree I totally want more of this!
Already is. Highly suggest you check out Werewolf: The Forsaken and Werewolf: The Apocalypse by White Wolf
Isn't this a thing in The Wheel of Time
The tabletop game company White Wolf published this in the '90s. It's a tabletop rpg (similar in concept to dungeons and dragons) with two separate games taking place in the same universe. In one, you play as vampires, with all the possible trope combinations therein. The other you play as werewolves, and some of them do battle in dreams, while others fight in reality.
I've never played it, but it seems pretty crazy.
D&D campaign idea: "oops! All werewolves!" Druid who turns into a wolf, ranger with a wolf companion and able to talk to wolves, Barbarian whose "rage" is turning into a wolf-man hybrid, and a wizard who is fond of polymorph spells turning other people into wolves.
And only one of them actually has lycanthropy and no one knows who.
@@gorblintown8836 Two of my party are determined to get lycanthropy because of the werewolf plot going on.
I know that they know it won’t end well.
Lords of the Wild for Pathfinder 1e has just about everything you mentioned as options and more.
God I love this concept
Werewolves, werewolves everywhere.
Me: “Hey Red, is this a Halloween Special, a Miscellaneous Myth, or a Trope Talk?”
Red: “Yes”
I think my favorite one is Bigby Wolf from Fable, he's a reverse Werewolf, in that, he's actually the Big Bad Wolf from the fairy tales infected with Lycantrophy so he can live among humans, one could say, a Wolf Among Us
Is this a reference to video game I don’t get it
@@spachino7351 it’s a comic - it’s pretty cool subversion Of fairytales, but I’m not a fan of the amount of yelling all the characters do lol
@@spachino7351 "The Wolf Among Us" is a video game based on the comic and it's quite good. Cool a concept as it is though, I don't recommend the comic. I read all 150 issues or so and it gets wildly convoluted and hard to follow. Also the character of Jack (of Jack and the Beanstalk) is such a prick I can't go into it here for risk of saying ugly things that could get this post removed. Trust me, if you're interested play the game an/or read the first story arc of the comic and leave it there. The rest only goes downhill from there.
The Big Bad Wolf being the cop in the fairytale ghetto was a stroke of genius.
Red Riding Hood was being kinda sus though (I'm sorry! It had to happen!)
"The modern werewolf is a flexible beast."
Now THAT sounds like a line from some erotica.
Cant like to maintain the 420 likes
Furries lmao
Something something 14 werewolves.
UwU
I had reach, she had flexibility. It was brutal.
I find it hilarious how even the SPANISH INQUISITION thought Kramer was twisted
I get the feeling Kramer is actually where we get a lot of the negative parts of the popular inquisitor archetype. The actual inquisition wasnt good to be clear. They would absolutely torture people for confessions, interestingly though at least some understood that such confessions werent useful, and would occasionally hand people over to the secular courts to be executed but they were generally significantly less bloodthirsty than they appear in the modern imagining. With a quick look, the absolute bloodiest estimate I found was about 3% of cases that the Spanish Inquisition, which was one of the bloodier ones, tried ended in execution. Generally the punishment theyd hand out would be some form of penance. You had to mess up a lot for them to send you to be executed.
After his incident at the Laugh Factory, how could they not?
to be fair, the Spanish Inquisition had high standards (for the time) and did not usually find people guilty of witchcraft... heretics on the other hand, that is another story.
Now THAT is something nobody expected.
NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition's humanity!
Knowing that Red learnt the existence of ABO from researching this video is honestly so funny
The Omegaverse strikes again!
@@brawler707 The true horror, poor Red did knot see it coming
@@ireallyneedtherapy1126 get out
good lord i did not expect this to be the first comment i saw
I feel like im missing some context... And i feel like thats a good thing...
There was a Celtic legend I learned about a “wolf man” thing that left fish for poor people in the night. Good wolf men rolemodels
Do you have a source? I want to read about it
Is that not "The Wulver"? Its a myth from Shetland iirc :)
I wonder if cuchulainn could turn into a Wolf (because... Hound of chulainn)
I feel like a specially in Ireland the Wolves are always treated as something to be destroyed by the English settlers but the Irish word for wolves actually mean son of the countryside which indicates a more positive condensation.
That's so nice 🥺
Came to learn about werewolves, ended up learning about how the kick-off of witch hunts was a monk letting a confident woman live rent free in his head.
Crazy how that happens
Yeah, that was not rent free lol, he tried to get her killed and stalked. Absolutely ridiculous what one guy could do though.
But honestly, are you surprised by that?
Fun to find out that the original witch hunts have more in common with Gamergate than I thought.
@@jjj7790 it's depressing how people like that still exist...
The fact that the witch hunt was started by a incel monk (that was so sexist that even the early modern Catholic Church is saying calm down) makes too munch sense.
So hearing the words "Usually Outdated views of Wolf Hierarchy" and "In charge not because they're the biggest and baddest but by virtue of being mom and dad" I'm immediately jumping to 'Werewolf Mafia Story.'
Close-knit family structure mirroring the pack dynamics with a hierarchy based on old-school loyalty to "The Family" rather than strength.
how's writing it going?
Werewolf Mafia? so like the Wise Guys from Werewolf The Apocalypse
Cool, and they could have something to do with the wolf that fed Romulus and Remus as their origin.
Yessssss
I think Pratchett did it with Angua's dysfunctional family? Tho they were more aristocratic assholes than your run off the mill "give im an offer he can't refuse" pasta eaters....
Can we just appreciate how adorable Red drew the wolves? I think we should.
Reminds me of the Warrior cats animatics, the eyes and solid body colours are very similar.
h e c k
Adorable art, fascinating information, funny jokes, and that amazing shade at 13:22 all with some nice singing at the end.
Red's doing awesome, as usual (and maybe a little above average, though with how high that standard is, that's always hard to judge)
@@typacsk heckin' adorable!
AGREED
my personal favorite werewolf trope is "very big scary looking wolf-person" who basically acts like a giant puppy
I agree but unfortunately this tropes also attracts F̵̙̈́ư̴̲̦̔r̵̩̾̇̃ȓ̵̳̼y̸͓̽̇͠s̷͔̦̈́̓͜
@@Azalea_rose and whats wrong with them, they are objectively good
@@zombspideyspecial It was just a joke I was friends with a furry and I dated someone who identified as a neko
@@Azalea_rose im pretty sure werewolves do that already
@@zombspideyspecial
Debatable
I'm shocked Zeus turned that guy into a wolf, as opposed to turning himself into a wolf and forcibly fornicating with some random woman.
That probably happened too at somepoint lost history or not I'm sure there is or was at some point there's myth about that
*Candy Shop starts playing*
I mean, unrelated to this myth, but in some versions, Lycaon is the father of Callisto (of the constellation Ursa Major fame), who was a victim of Zeus’ conquests
@@noahberlitz5553 Zeus was truly the Bill Cosby of the Greek pantheon
You imply he didn't....
"Werewolves are warriors of god who fight demons and whitches"
"BLESSED AND POSSESSED!!!"
I see the Powerwolf reference! I'm loving seeing the overlap in their fandom with OSP ;)
Welcome friend!
Powerwolf is Blessed & Possessed,
But I'm just Stressed & Depressed
Yes! Army of the Night, stand as one! Tonight the pack will hunt and feast!
*Powerwolf intensifies*
Fun fact, they're only called werewolves because they're really good at hiding. If you could find one, it'd be a therewolf.
There wolf...there castle :=)
Everyones saying werewolf but no ones asking howwolf
@@sergeantsainsburys9181 What about 'wowwolf'? :=)
What about yikeslookathatthingrightthereblimeywowCrickeywolf
@@sergeantsainsburys9181 OK. You win :=)
Other cultures: "Horrible divine curse. Such shame, have to avoid hurting anyone."
Ireland: "Hahah, guy can turn into wolf, have charming hunting adventures with family."
Ireland is surprisingly wholesome for a country whose cultural stereotype is drinking too much
Ok but can you imagine that chaos every time the family goes out hunting?
Assuming only one family member turns into a wolf at a time, every single guy in the family, regardless of age, would want to be the wolf all the time, because it f*cking rocks.
@@boglenight1551 That only exists because the English drove them to drink and then mocked them for the habit.
@@lysanamcmillan7972 They also forced the people to only eat potatoes, didn't help the population when the potatoes became inedible due to a fungus and then make jokes at their expense despite being the main cause of the problem.
Monster fan:The most recommended werewolf fictions are The Wolfman, Werewolf By Night(marvel comic book series), An American Werewolf In London, The Howling, Wolfen, A Company Of Wolves, Silver Bullet, Bad Moon, An American Werewolf In Paris, Underworld, Van Helsing, and the Wolfman remake.
Somebody:But what about Twilight, Vampires Diaries, and the Teen Wolf show since they…
Monster fan:OH NO NO NO! F#$& THOSE! THOSE ARE NOT EVEN TRUE WEREWOLVES! THOSE ARE A BUNCH OF MALE CALVIN KLEIN UNDERWEAR MODELS FOR CHEAP AND LAZY PUBERTY-TRIGGERING AND TWEENYBOPPER FAN SERVICE!
Any comments?
Werewolves as astral projecting warriors of God was something I didn’t know I needed in my life
Me too. I think that's super cool.
I’m pretty sure that’s the plot of Blessed and Possessed
The crusade knows no bounds *awoooo*
The creator of the witch trials being a creepy Incel makes too much sense.
I think he just gives the whole movement a bad reputation. I'm sure their were plenty of popular and charismatic fanatic sadists.
@@ethanstine426 fanatic sadists who are charismatic and popular have a name. Cult leaders. That's how one guy's power fantasy delusions turn into genocides.
A lot of human history is just everyone rallying behind one fanatic sadist, because he used charisma to become popular and whoever wasn't on his side got brutalized until they were.
Yeah, it definitely explains SO much! And greedy/powerful people jumping on the witch trial bandwagon (while pushing it in the guise of it being"morally/socially acceptable") most likely really didn't help it either (oof)... 0_0
Show off hands,
Who’s not surprised?
@@Grim_Sister Not even a little.
"They weren't actually werewolves, they were just hallucinating so hard that everyone else started hallucinating."
Why is this sentence funny to me
heh and officaly that's what the catholic church and christains as a whole went by to try and at least settle the matter with various approaches of explination. the church don't mind the lot at all.
So, like mass hysteria?
@@ryoumakoushiro7447 no, vodka hangover
@@metaparalysis3441 Wait, usual friday night too?
@@ryoumakoushiro7447 while funkin’
What seems to be a common theme in contemporary werewolf fiction, and perhaps my personal favorite, is portraying the werewolf as a form of freedom. The transformation gives the person an escape from the pressures of society, a connection with nature that is often missed, and a powerful form of self-care. This does kinda mesh with modern perceptions of wolves, now that we know how goofy and wholesome they can be (while still being very much wild animals). We can all imagine how liberating it would feel to be as excited about life as a dog, after all.
I mean being turn into a good boy and the ability to mark your territory does sound pretty good
@@starmaker75 I mean you can technically mark your territory as a human, but there's that pesky law about public indecency or some bollocks that says humans aren't supposed to.
I read a pretty cool tumblr post once which cast the wolf side of a werewolf as the part of oneself which stubbornly continues to practice some level of self-love and self-preservation even if one is largely alienated from oneself. Something that is wild because it is unabashed and violent because it is under threat.
Bro all that shedding ain’t worth it at all, house is just filled with hair and it’s miserable. Ain’t dealing with that.
This aspect was wonderfully done in reverse in THE ONLY GOOD EPISODE in that X-Files reboot: Mulder & Scully Meet the Were-Monster. Not a werewolf, but same concept.
Honestly “Our Monsters are different” can be a whole Trope Talk on its own. Especially “Our Vampires are different”. I find it fascinating how authors can change the characteristics of werewolves, vampires, witches, etc to fit whatever narrative and themes they are going for.
Monsters are just a narrative tool in literature, when it comes down to it... a lot of them are even metaphors, for better or for worse. To suit the metaphor, adaption is often necessary.
I would also love a trope talk about the mysterious stranger like Richard from hotline miami or Bill cipher from gravity falls also that one character with 3 different backstop from dc that I vant rambert his name
The phantom stranger it was the phantom stranger
So your basically saying trope subversion is a trope.
@@CleoPinto4317 yeah but most tropes work like that anyway and ending up creating its own unique tropes overall which could be really cool like the dinosaurs from jurassic Park influenced every dinosaur movie ever to the point that no one use any dinosaurs outside the jurassic Park one except one piece but one piece is just strange and fun like that and doing thier own thing with it instead of using the basic trope would be really interesting
Suggestion for next year: Fairies cuz their history is super fascinating and mysterious and the fact "Halloween Fairy" isn't an aesthetic is downright criminal
Given the Avalon Lostbelt, that would be a great examination.
Agreed. The fact that they've been Disneyfied into cutesy lawn ornaments is just infuriating to me.
@@daviddaugherty2816 that's just part of the secret Fae agenda so that humans think they're cute and harmless when they come to reclaim their world lmao
I think the main issue would be fairies are too broad. Pretty much any folkloric creature not an angel or a devil falls under the fairy field. If you’re not specifically counting things that are explicitly called fairies either, then Jinn and Yokai also fall under that umbrella.
@@teogonzalez7957 that's true but in that case they could still be discussed on Trope Talk. They did the same thing with Dragons and even compared their broadness and universality to fairies. I can definitely see Red at least explaining the history behind their etymology and portrayal.
“Lycaon founds Lycosura on Mt. Lycaeus, hosts the Lycaian games and gave Zeus the title Zeus Lycaios.” All I got out of that is “wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf and wolf.” It’s like proto-Leman Russ.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Apollo and Leto agree. Since Apollo animal symbol is a wolf and Leto favorites form is a wolf. Also the tribe said to also worship Apollo too.
Wulver are mythical race of humanoid wolf people who believe that human was descendant from them so they help human with safe traveling, hunting, fishing and with protect them. So reverse werewolves.
I think you mean proto wolf wolf
Lion for life,
Well, I didn't expect this to turn into "The dude who wrote the Malleus Maleficarum was actually a more extreme version of the bad guy from the Hunchback of Notre Dame," but here we are.
"Helena moved on with her life. Kramer did not"
Ah, a tale as old as time...
Then you see a chapter titled, "Why women are more likely to believe in evil superstitions", watch women decorate their homes in Ouija Board every Halloween, and say, "Okay so the broken clock..."
Ouch.
@@bar-1studios Then you remember the dudes who believe "alpha males" are a thing and realize that no, really, it's a fifty fifty.
@@antonioscendrategattico2302 that Kramer was right in fifty percent of his book?
"A genre of erotica I now regrettably know exists"
The internet in a nutshell, right there.
I'm generally fine to be like "people got all sorts of wierd kinks, I'm fine to let them be"...it's when it moves to romanticizing f'ed up stuff that I start quickly having very strong objections.
♪WELCOME TO THE INTERNET!♪
@@dynamicworlds1 The best A/B/O stuff is the stuff where the characters know it's messed up and it's less "oh man how hot" and more "so our society is kinda fucked, huh?"
This means the knot
@@dynamicworlds1 Personally I'm just tired of writers (no I will not acknowledge such people as actual authors) who refuse to just research and write about kink so they douse it in werewolves or whatever and dismiss any false and potentially dangerous practices as a normal part of the culture of fictional group.
Oh, fun fact about the wolf hierarchy thing! Mom and dad will often be the leaders, it’s not always. Sometimes a sibling will take over, a child, or a lone wolf who managed to join a pre-existing pack. And sometimes wolves aside from the main leaders will have pups, though there’s a constantly changing chance if the pups are allowed to live or not. The fun thing about incredibly social, highly intelligent animals is that they very rarely follow a strict set of ‘laws’ and they’ll inevitably confuse scientists.
True and human influence causes many issues by restricting territory. More fights break out over competition and scarce game.
If they can, a lot of fights will end quickly with one group running away. But less room pushes them into more direct conflict. More competition to mate etc.
So what i'm hearing is that wolf packs are like human families, in that certain people believe they must follow strict rules, but really they can be formed in many ways that are equally valid.
@@Dronita42 yes. And scarcity more than anything causes excess violence.They can be very loving and affectionate otherwise.
This is why I want to write a story with a werewolf pack that is only about 50% werewolf, because the, like, four sets of Parents in the pack collectively foster a bunch of supernatural kids.
"Werewolves are warriors of God who fight evil witches and demons."
Thank you, Red. I really needed yet another unfinished story plotline running naked through my mind screaming Write Me! Write Me!
I mean, isnt that the plot of van helsing?
Watch "Penny Dreadful" this is literally what the character Ethan, the resident werewolf, is.
Bare in mind this is horror show and none of our main characters are innocent.
Hell the main protagonist is a reincarnation of the mother of evil/the devils wife.
@@danybey4182 that sounds metal as hell, unfortunately I’m a big pussy
Used in Neil Gaiman's works! Also a very good Urban Supernatural idea, that there are bad werewolves but SOME ARE GOOD.
Let it be unfinished no longer, I have a story I'm writing
"Is the wolf the man's shadow?"
*sobbing in LOZ: Twilight Princess*
DON’T REMIND ME-
*hears a distant laugh from the shadows*
That line gave me flashbacks to that game too
[flashbacks to that one puzzle in the Temple of Time that you do before getting access to switching between forms]
ʜᴇᴇ-ʏᴜᴘ
My favorite use of a werewolf is in My Babysitter’s a Vampire when this one dude hypes up how terrifying and dangerous his wolf form is. Then when he actually turns, he turns into an adorable and gentle puppy! It’s so funny and I love it.
That show was a fever dream. They never did finish it either, the final got cut cuz so many parents went what the fuck at the satanic ritual scene
@@SymphonyZach I actually rewatched the entire series for spooky month and I'm still pissed they never finished it, they just left it on a huge cliff hanger
I rember that show from when I was younger I thought the vampire baby sitter was cute
I forgot about that episode(despite thinking about that show maybe every hour of every day), and knowing young me who would have been real excited to see a werewolf(them being my favorite myth/legend/cryptid? at the time) I was probably kinda pissed, and just went to watch the werewolf episode of Lost Tapes again.
That's a pretty funny twist, though.
I loooved that show. As a kid I would multiply my age by 1000. So like, if I was 8, I would be like, “I’m an 8000 year old vampire! Rawr!” My parents took advantage of this by telling me that beats were bloody hearts, so I would eat them. XD Low key smart.
"Today's hot take: the witch hunts were bad, actually."
Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?
becay its a bad take. burning heretics is as the youngsters says: based and red peal
@@yuvalgabay1023 "heretics" = people who don't think like you. That's pretty sadistic and sick ngl.
@@yuvalgabay1023 Typical of chistians though.
“The Ordo Hereticus of The Emperor’s Most Holy Inquisition would like to have a word.”
That’s probably more controversy than RUclips can tolerate! Banned!
Never thought my takeaway from this would be that
A) The Malleus Maleficarum is basically like that study about vaccines causing autism, in that anyone with any expertise knew it was bunk, and dismissed it, also knowing that the guy who wrote it was terrible and not to be taken seriously, only for it to be picked up by significantly less learned people and propelled into historical relevancy through sheer ignorance.
And
B) The Goosebumps book "Werewolf Skin" actually has a mythological precedent.
I see you also watch hbomberguy
Haha , ye it treally good, and shockingly much involving child abuse (and death?!) in the study.
@@liam2745 Believe it or not, some people get their information from places other than pop culture internet essays
@@cam4636 by commie lowlifes
@@cam4636 really? where else is there?
Catholic monks probably: "I'm not SAYING it's magic because that would be heresy, but it looks KINDA like 'magic'."
Well no, it can still be white/light magic, if practiced for example by nuns, the middle age means everyones catholic, but if it isn't godly it's satanic.
Friendship is magic and MAGIC IS HERESY! *Loads bolter with violent intent*
@@comandercarnis Is it truly heresy if it's magic used in the name of the God Emperor? I don't know about you, but I very much find enjoyment in searing the flesh of Humanity's enemies with the power of the sun in the palm of my hands while taking on a form that strikes fear into their very souls, or lack thereof.
For ancient monks, the line between a miracle and magic is basically "Did god do it? Miracle. Did a woman/pagan do it? Magic and therefore heresy." With the only caveat being that they thought everyone who wasn't Christian was absolutely a Pagan and no they were not interested in the difference between non-Christian religions thank you very much.
Your ignorance is appalling .
The reason it's a monster is because it is outside of natural law , which places it in the supernatural.
It is a transformational spell of the black arts , which takes a powerful
Coven of witch's to do.its possible
Only in the autumn under a full moon. Because of its nature it' is evil., therefore a supernatural evil of the black arts , a transformation spell broken only by sliver, an arrow with a sliver arrow head would work just as well , the point is sliver breaks this transformation spell.
Yes it is black magic , yes black magic is real , yes a werewolf is very
Possible . no I don't know of any in
Modern times , but then satanist don't quite walk around with snap shots of werewolfs in their wallet to show you , if you ever seen one most likely you wouldn't survive .
I personally think the "Warrior of God fighting Demons" would make an interesting story, where everyone presumes the feral dangerous wolf thing, but it turns out that the werewolves are actually keeping worse things at bay, and killing them really disturbed the ecosystem. Would make for a nice allegory.
...am I hearing that it would be great to basically make werewolf story about people fearing what they don't understand and using them as a giant metaphor for the trophic cascade and the way trying to exterminate wolves royally screwed up the environment in those areas for years to come?
If so, you're right.
@@margaretgibbs6673 yeah, pretty much, except with werewolves keeping awful daemonic forces at bay, and ungrateful townsfolk killing them anyway
@@connormclernon26 please take my money
@@margaretgibbs6673 so thoughts:
1. Werewolves are still fully sapient when transformed
2. Can go from more fur on body, to midway between wolf and human, and full wolf
3. 5 fold strength and speed, as well as heightened senses
4. They can sense that which comes from Hell
5. They are an Order dedicated to preventing Hell from rising and doing harm to the people of Earth
6. People forgot about them over time, and the 1400’s began a series of pogroms against them
7. There’s a great deal of secrecy
8. Areas where the werewolves have been driven out tend to see a lot of demonic forces arising
9. By modern day, most governments are aware of Werewolves, and allow them to do their jobs
10. Despite this, people still fear and hate them
So, Werewolf: The Apocalypse?
Red missed an opportunity to say, “‘No one expected the Spanish Inquisition’ to be against burning a witch.”
The inquisition was not interested in witches, only in heretics
“Today’s hot take, the witch hunts were bad actually”
How could you say something so controversial and yet so brave?
"only a witch would say that the witch hunts were bad. MuSt Be OnE tOo." -the mobs with less than 1 brain cell being lead by the brainless.
Witch hunts are Cancelled
@@billuraral1870 Yikes, Um sweaty, murdering women for having opinions or practicing medicine is like, very problematic. Ive found your address and posted it on twitter. You’re cancelled.
@@darealznoopdogg9300 bruh, don't cancel them like that. Do what Dr eggman did to shadow the hedgehog
The spookiest event of the season: Red learned what ABO is.
OH NO! SHE'S FOUND US HIDE!!!
I legit had to pause the video because I was laughing so hard XD
ah yes omegaverse
I didn’t know it by that name so when I looked up ABO I thought you were talking about the ABO blood grouping system and was very confused.
@@oliverfern8039 it's such a shame red didn't know about blood until recently
"Certain NSFW qualities that form the backbone of an entire genre of erotica I regrettably now know exists."
Anyone who's been on the internet before: "First time?"
Praise the lord and pass the ... eyebleach?
How am I seeing you Everywhere!!?
Only one?
At least we know Red is thorough if she’s willing to read through a kink/fetish she’s (apparently?) made uncomfortable by. That takes dedication. (And therapy.)
Yup. I've been there. Didn't like what I saw.
Actually here in Colorado, there was a recent vote to reintroduce wolves here! And it passed!
Funny thing though, there were already wolves here. The vote was posturing as an attempt to get around the fact the the Department of Wildlife refused to admit they were here, because of a whole host of issues that brings.
Yes wolf conspiracy. On I myself wouldn't believe if I hadn't seen them myself.
I remember seeing that on the ballot and being SUPER CONFUSED cause I knew there were wolves here. That explains it
eh, makes sense to me. if they'd admitted to the fact without there being protections in place for solves, they'd be inundated with calls to go out and kill said wolves, and not just by ranchers and farmers who lose livestock. (even though more often than not it's actually coyotes who are the cause.) so denial made sense, especially if it meant they could direct the people who actual lost animals to attacks towards the correct problems in the process. acknowledge the wolves exist and the real problems would get swamped in fear mongering.
once protections are in palce though they can admit the wolves exist, and still do the job of fixing the real issues (coyotes and ranchers who don;t take proper precautions to protect their animals). though it does mean a bit more work to punish people who go out and shoot wolves.
What the hell is going on in Colorado?
WOLF CONSPIRACY LMAO
So basically:
"There are no wolves in Colorado."
*Wolf walks on by behind the speaker, everyone seeing it*
"Let's reintroduce wolves to not make us a liar."
Vampires aren't uncool, they just are completley oversaturated with either paranormal romance or evil castle owners. Werewolves are also featured in those situations, but less so.
yeah because what not like other girls high school emo chick needs a rugged homeless wolfman boyfriend when she can have a very wealthy and immortal* boyfriend that can easily be killed with sunlight
Vampires are basically goth zombies, lol
yes this
also can we get more reverseals of the vampire and werewolf dynamics? wheres all the fancy suave rich werewolves? wheres all the unhinged messy criptid(tm) trash vampires?
Sometimes they can be both Paranormal Romantics AND Evil Castle Owners, like Dracula in the Castlevania Anime
Not everythink is bad about them. Some vampire romance storyes are realy beautiful.
I once pointed out to my friends that "werewolf" implied the mosnter in question to be male, since it's composed of the word for man and wolf, so a female werewolf could technically by called a wifwolf. A fun fact funny enough it became canon in every subsequent pen and paper and since i come from a small town with a relatively large student population and a weirdly connected pen and paper culture, i accidentally made the term wifwolf known to about every student in town.
Yeah, according to some European folklore werewolves could only be men. Female shapeshifters existed, but they turned into cats.
@@Ned-nw6ge oh no.... cat girl history!
so mannwulf for gender neutral ?
@@petrichor3797
It's either catgirls or wif-oos -- there's really no winning.
Fun fact: one of my favorite artists, Dailen Ogden, is producing a graphic novel based more or less on this concept. It's called Wifwulf. It looks amazing; I've backed the Kickstarter.
The history of wolves remind me a lot of whats currently happening with sharks, they are hated because of fear and thus humans have decided to exterminate them. While some sharks are protected most are endangered and risk real threat of extinction if we don't change. And much like with wolves, if sharks go extinct the whole oceanic ecosystem collapses
And besides it's dolphins that are the terrifying murder rapists of the sea.
"We?"
Yeah ..about that....overfishing and the use of certain kinds of nets is doing most of the damage...
WereSharks
And Orcas
Not Prep enough to be a Vampire?
Not Jock enough to be a Werewolf?
GOBLIN IT IS!!!
Goblin Slayer: *Triggered*
May I introduce you to the Scholomance? Romanian wizards who ride dragons and control storms
@@eazy8579 Sounds epic
Prep = Vampire
Jock = Werewolf
Goth = Demon
Nerd = ???
@@aformofmatter8913 Elf
Me: “It’s going to be about werewolf folklore, it’s not going to be scary-“
Red at 1:28 “Omegaverse is a thing that exists”
Also me: *ghastly scream of horror as the memories resurface*
Werewolves aren’t scary. The deparvity of the human mind is.
The symptoms of a werewolf sound a lot like the symptoms of rabies. The whole extreme thirst, fatigue,, drooling, aggressively attacking people while behaving like an animal and growling, the fact you become a werewolf in most legends and accounts by being bit by a werewolf, that just screams rabies to me. Sometimes rabies victims are afraid of water but not always, that symptom isn't even listed under the seven symptoms of rabies. I wonder if cases of rabies were actually the origin of werewolves. And wolves themselves can and do carry rabies but healthy wolves for the most part totally avoid humans but lived in very close proximity to humans and livestock back then (there were a much much larger amount of wolves because there wasn't as much development back then so naturally there were more wolves with rabies). A wolf with rabies would have no fear of humans it would just stand there and drool and then attack and bite if not kill the humans. So to onlookers and witnesses all they would see is a wolf not acting like a normal wolf, who stared down the human with no fear and then bites someone then the bitten begins acting strangely exhibiting a lot of the symptoms the Wolf was. It would seem to them a clear case of lycanthropy. Rabies definitely existed back then but they didn't know it existed so cases of rabies would naturally be categorized as cases of lycanthropy. Change my mind.
@@WhitneyDahlin wait this actually makes sense..why didn't I think if this before
Always has been.
Humans are the real monsters
the terror of the beast has nothing on the terror of man.
"Insufficient Jesus. Prepare for flogging."
That got a good laugh out of me.
Gotta respect that instead of outright denying werewolves exist, Augustine just came up with a super rad theory about how they could
It makes sense, one of the best ways to make a new religion take in a given region is to say “hey, you know all those traditions and folklore you hold dear? Us too! They’re just a product of our god now! Anyways go to church.”
Lmao true
Legit a mass hysteria induced by the raving fantasies of a bestial man kind of tracks
@@alicethemad1613 I'd say in this case it was less a conscious attempt at Christianizing them and more something akin to "X thing obviously exists, but it's lore contradicts our beliefs, which are also true, therefore X must have been misunderstood"
I like the idea that werewolves keep their mind after transformation, but the transformation burns so many calories that they're ravenously hungry afterwards and so recklessly look for food, even if they destroy a kitchen, etc. in the process, and that's how the mind-less story was started. After 2 transformations (back into human), they'd also be hungry, but the tiredness outweighs it by that point.
I kinda love that. Now I just wanna see a modern day werewolf tiredly going over to a pig farm, buy up a bunch of pigs, and the farmer just say "Same time next month?" to them. XD
I remember reading about werewolves a while back. The funniest bit of trivia, whether it is true or not, was that the Danish believed that the way to cure a werewolf was by scolding them.
"No! Bad Werewolf! Bad!"
@@simondUK *Swats werewolf with newspaper*
You leave me no choice, Rover. I am forced to use... the spray bottle!
One wonders how many other things could be fixed by a firm scolding from a Dane. I nominate Sandi Toksvig to start scolding things in an effort to find out.
Time to bring out the portable vacuum cleaner and the dog whistle!
Speaking of Dracula... remember how you said you originally had a summary that preserved the way the book was written, but that was 30 minutes long so you canned it?
Well, I'd like to think that 30 minute vids aren't so daunting to you now. I'd just... still really like to see that summary.
I too would listen to Red talk about Dracula for 30 minutes.
I think the art and editing is more the issue
porobaly saving it 4next year
Tbh I read it because of her videos, and it’s really good but the end kinda drags so like idk
Red has gone on record saying that if she begins redoing her old videos, she’ll end up stuck in an artist loop, something many beginner web artists get stuck in. So sadly, we won’t be getting that 30 minute summary of Dracula. Sorry
The series that handled this thr best in my opinion was the Dresden Files. They explicitly have multiple types of werewolves, one book even has humans who use magic to shapeshift into wolves, enchanted objects that change you, and the full on unstoppable curse monster.
Each had their own quirks and functioned a bit differently. I like Dresden Files a lot.
Fool Moon was such a good book, and I never saw it coming when they pulled the ol switcheroo with Tera
Also the curse monster was from the same family as the one cursed by saint Patrick.
I think world of darkness also does a pretty good take on them especially the question what does the duality between man and wolf mean. Cause it turns out every faction and group has there own take on that question.
Never read any, but I enjoyed the one book of "The Cinder Spires" he wrote. Doesn't seem iikely he'll continue the series.
Dresden files is probably my favorite book series and Fool Moon is my favorite handling of werewolves. Jim Butcher is just *chef's kiss*
I love that some Italians said “we’re werewolves, but good and christian” and a few centuries later, this inspires the band Powerwolf.
I also love that the “alpha male wolf” junk was actually just the wolf parents telling their kids, “stop fighting with your siblings, don’t make me come over there.”
As much as I adore your observation about wolf parents parenting their unruly kids, I am going to tell you that that's not how the mistake happened.
The Greek-letters, rule-by-force, testosterone-fuled model of Wolf packs wasn't developed by watching wolves in their natural habitats- it was the result of watching a bunch of random wolves taken into captivity and observing how they interact. So, you know, the wolves were operating on the same rules as inmates in a maximum-security prison.
The scientists weren't actually making a terribly inaccurate observation of the behavior they were seeing... but they were being a bit of dumbasses for thinking that the situation they were studying was applicable to all wolf behavior. And the fact that it translates so well as a model for a bunch of violent humans locked in an environment together with no escape or outside intervention says a lot about how similar we are to wolves, honestly.
This perception in science was only changed when they finally *did* start studying wolf behavior in the wild, observing wolf family units and realizing that none of it fit their old models. And so they re-wrote the models, reported their findings, and challenged the work that had come before in the light of new evidence. Like good scientists.
Lol
Is that why they're called Powerwolf?
things I learned:
1-werewolves are where wolves are sometimes not wolves sometimes people...sometimes
2-Wolfwalkers looks amazing and I need to watch it
3-the witch trials were bad I guess
4-Achievement unlocked! "A Simple Solution": clearly they just astral project as wolves
5-What isn't Dracula?
6-piss off god/a god to unlock new playable character
7-hollywood making crap up that turned out pretty cool for once, but not as cool as hero wolves
8-DnD character ideas
9-king wolf of wolftown on wolf mountain who prays to wolfboy
10-people and wolves are scared of each other and one of those things decided it's arms race time while the other only has legs
Lol 😂
"King wolf of wolftown on wolf mountain who prays to wolfboy" is my new favorite sentence lmfao
"Werewolves that are warriors of God and fight demons in their dreams"
Wait so Powerwolf has legitimate mythological basis?
Pretty much.
I’m more surprised WtA has mythological basis
Yup.
@@silvertrimhill9844 same here
@@silvertrimhill9844 Werewolf the Apocalypse? Oh, yeah, White Wolf did their homework.
One of the interesting things to note about the whole "silver bullet" thing is that, while functionally they're less accurate and slower than normal bullets, silver bullets actually penetrate deeper than lead bullets, especially at a short range. So maybe the lone ranger was onto something.
My fox boi literally uses .50cal with uranium coating at some point
"Werewolves are objectively more interesting than vampires"
YES, THANK YOU!
Absolutely!
The only exception for me is the world of darkness where both are just as interesting.
So... team Jacob? 😆
Absolutely
@@robbietheweirdo one is the littral sons of cain forever cerst whit infighting . the other have anger problem that all ways fuck them upp
“Werewolves are objectively cooler and more interesting than vampires”
FINALLY, I’M NOT ALONE!!!!
Ye. Werewolves are much cooler. I don't even like vampires
I find the wholesale themselves uninteresting. They're just killing machines. When I wrote St Martin's Moon I was much more interested in the people cursed to become wolves, and the people cursed to kill them.
Werewolves, not wholesale. Where the hell did that come from?
@@AuthorGuy1 autocorrection?
@@AuthorGuy1 i guess it just depends on personall opinion. I like werewolves and i doubt they are "just killing Machines" . I guess some PPL like them this way but i think its a boring way to look at werewolves. For me they are interesting Creatures that can fit to many types of stories
"You loved the shepherd and turned him into a wolf"
- Epic of Gilgamesh. Tablet VI. Ishtar turned one of her former lover into a wolf after she grow bored of him
The headass???
Again? What's up with gods turning people into Wolves?
@@felipecosta-kv2fx they turned people into lots of things. One of the sources Red mentioned, Ovid's Metamorpheses, was ridiculously interested in this very concept of things changing from one form to another, & so is full of myths where things change form for one reason or another.
That story really has 90% of all tropes doesnt it?
people use to believe Wolf Charmer / Wolfssegen werewolf who have power to control wolf or wolf like spirit.
"he stripped naked, peed on his clothes in a circle, turned into a wolf then ran off to go kill sheep"
Woah hang on, we aren't going to talk about that? Not.... not even a little?
My Latin professor was telling us "moderately spooky stories from ancient Rome" and that was one of them! It ended with the first dude being like, "so that guy was a werewolf? I am SO not having lunch with him ever again!"
@@elizakarnopp8921 I love how the takeaway is that they aren't going to eat lunch with him😭
@@TheCoffeeCrow "I won't have lunch with him! You can't make me!"
You know, that tangent into the witch hunts really makes me wish we had done this year’s Halloween episode focused on Witches because that was a FASCINATINGLY HORRIFYING bit of historical trivia.
I guess Blue could do an episode on it in the context of the history of witch hunts instead? Here’s hoping.
Maybe next year we'll have an episode on witches.
I just want people to actually understand that 90% of it happened AFTER the middle age.
While it isn’t presented in anyway at all like OSP content, there’s a RUclips channel called Esoterica with multiple, lengthy videos on the witch hunts, and it’s run by a guy who has a doctorate in studying this sort of thing. All incredibly interesting, if only to hold you over for the meantime
Im not a fan of the witch hunts myself. I think they were generally a bad move
@@noukan42 well that depends on how you parse it, but ye.
To date, the most unique and terrifying interpretation of the werewolf I've come across is the one from The NeverEnding Story.
Okay, so, if you only know the NeverEnding Story from the movies, you may have wondered: What was the deal with Gmork, that huge evil wolf in the first movie? Why did he try to help the Nothing? Wouldn't that be, like, suicidal for him?
This is explained in the book, where Gmork goes through several godddamned pages explaining to Atreyu exactly what was going on, including how a werewolf like him fit into it, in great detail. The fact that this didn't make it into the movie is a goddamned _crime._
Basically, in the NeverEnding Story, werewolves aren't people who turn into wolves during the full moon. Rather, they are creatures who do not have a native world, but can instead exist in multiple wolds in different forms. In Fantasia, they take the forms of huge monster wolves. But they can also shift over to our world - the "real" world - and live as humans. But they're don't truly _belong_ to either world, and that's why they resent humans and Fantasians alike. At one point Atreyu asked Gmork why he wants to see Fantasia destroyed and the human world plunged into hopelessness (due to an aspect of the Nothing that the movie _also_ skipped over, goddammit) and Gmork's only reply was: "Because you had a world, and I didn't."
That's _chilling._ That takes werewolves from people with an inconvenient curse to _eldritch multidimensional beings driven by hate towards all normal life._
To this day, I try to approach any well-established folklore creature in a similar way, trying to see different ways to interpret them. My entire style of writing was fundamentally influenced because Michael Ende came up with this one original idea of how werewolves work, which barely anybody these days remembers since Wolfgang Petersen or Warner Bros or whatever couldn't be bothered to include five more minutes of plot-essential lore! o__O
So like a Lovecraftian being?
(Curse you spellcheck)
Ooooo that’s actually really interesting! I already was kinda freaked out by Gmore in the movie as a kid, mainly because it just felt… unnecessary and nihilistic
I fucking love the never ending story, and I'm so glad somebody else remembered how fucking awesome the werewolf lore in that book was, for literally no reason other than just because Michael Ende is fucking awesome.
Now I have another series to get into because I barely remember it...
@@seldonwright4345 See also: Pickman's Model
That's a werewolf story done by Lovecraft.
The duality really lends itself to the modern theme of "man is the monster." Basically the wolf half is of nature and it's the person that determines if a werewolf is good or evil.
We're werewolves, not swearwolves.
@@BigCheddar248 This is a *Christian* werewolf server.
It's no longer "There are two wolves inside you"
*There are two humans inside you*
The heavy duality and transformation aspects were well exploited in the movie Wolfwalkers. Rather than the monster within the story played it like the hero within. It was awsome.
@@giboi03 oh my...
It’s really funny that the vampire trope of a coven more accurately depicted the wolf pack structure than actual wolf fiction tends to
“Insufficient Jesus, prepare for flogging”
I look forward to using this line at my next kink party
You what.
Gotta be dressed as a nun and/or friar. Or at least be holding a cross.
Well THAT took a turn
old catholic school essay critique
ok then...
In fairness to Red, trying to pronounce Laighnech Faeladh, that is how I, an Irish person who speaks Irish, would pronounce it. Which means it's probably actually Gaelic and pronounced completely differently. 👍 Edit: Also, for anyone interested, Wolfwalkers is part of a folklore trilogy. The other two movies are The Book of Kells and The Song of the Sea (I recognized the animation)
I don’t think it’s a trilogy, they’re all just made by the same studio.
@@galaxystudios370 ye, you're right. I just meant to convey that they are three distinct movies with self-contained plots that share the same art style and appreciation for Irish mythology. Sorry for any confusion.
@@rionamcauliffe5469 No hard feelings.
by the way Wolfwalkers is my favourite animated movie of 2020
All good movies
@@galaxystudios370 Collectively, the three movies are referred to as the Irish Folklore Trilogy in interviews with Tomm Moore. While not direct sequels of each other, they are thematically related, with Walkwalkers being referred to as the final installment of the trilogy.
Similar to how Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, and The World's End are known as the Three Flavours Cornetto trilogy, even though the events in the films are unrelated to each other.
See, they wouldn't have had so many problems executing innocent witches if they'd just put them on a scale with a duck! Everyone knows that witches weigh the same as a duck.
It's because they're made out of wood! I know because one turned me into a newt!
And they're made of wood! And both wood and witches burn!
@@Tomyironmane did you get better?
Honestly I am still waiting for someone to build a bridge out of a witch.
Dam, these witches need to send their diet plan
I only just realized that Eda from the Owl House is very similar to a werewolf, especially that humanity vs animalistic aspect mentioned at the end.
Oh yeah, never thought about it until now. She's like a Were-owl
Speaking of, I remember a gravity falls theory that said Grunkle Stan was a werewolf. The first episode we see him enter the portal room is on a full moon, the theory says he goes in there to prevent others from being hurt by his werewolf form (cuz people didn’t know it was a portal room at the time)
And she fights a fanboy of the biggest incel of the 15th centrys.
22:56 I'm so glad you brought up the Yellowstone wolves, they're honestly probably the biggest examples of the role predators play in keeping the balance of things and how the reintroduction of a single species can transform an ecosystem
the segment on real wolves proved that nothing good ever came from europeans of the 1600s or modern americans having such a gun centered culture and they just made everything worse for animals and humans :(
@Mullerornis the issue with removing a positive spotlight on wolves is that once you do, the negative press comes back. Removing wolves from the endangered species list just encouraged people to start hunting them again. Since wolves are such a well known animal, any press that isn't positive gets overshadowed by people thinking they are going to eat their children, which is an issue less popular species don't have to fight
@@CrownofMischief It also makes the wolf a wonderful flagship animals.
More mundane animals getting less attention in conservation efforts is a long-running problem, far from unique to wolves.
@Mullerornis I'm sorry, but "Wolfaboo?" Internet slang has gone too far.
@Mullerornis well is a matter of making things the right way, all species deserve protection from humanity, we cant deem species more worthy of protection than other on a thing WE caused. The solution must be to stabilize the populations in other areas both of predators and prey to balance the damage human populations have done.
It will take time but if done correctly we can avoid having to do "culling hunts" (big quotes on those cuz they are mostly for profit and people who like hunting with a sprinkle of conservation so it doesnt look so bad). We could help recover unbalanced ecosystems, but we need to all show that its not only the popular species that deserve it, like wolves and cougars, but all the ones damaged by human activity.
I really appreciate how you tie this into our attitudes towards real life wolves. They're amazing animals that don't really like fucking around with humans.
P9
Humans could learn a lot from wolves, like concern for the common good....
Red struggling to pronounce Gaelic names? Weird NSFW trope implications? Christianity editing folklore? This video is already a classic
I had an idea to write a story where werewolves are all interminably linked to Fenrir, and they are weak to silver because Fenrir is bound by a silver chain...until I remembered he's NOT he's bound by a chain of "impossible objects"
So… werewolves are harmed by women’s beards?
Which would make trans catgirls the deadliest enemies of werewolves. Someone make that into a Netflix series.
@@clarienne7583 catgirls vs wolfmen? sign me tf up!
Cats versus dogs! The game never ends!
@@clarienne7583 ... As long as it's set up to push the fanfics as far away from ABO as possible, I am EXTREMELY on board with this.
Werewolves being humans trapped in illusions, huh? The anime Wolf's Rain kinda flips that concept, where wolf characters are projecting illusions of being human so that they can easily go about in a dying world that thinks they're already extinct. Don't think it was intentional, but it's still a neat reversal of what St. Augustine said.
I honestly liked Wolf's Rain alot, though I could not help but compare them to the World of Darkness werewolves due to apocalyptic themes in both. I mean seriously, the group in Wolf's Rain even end up protecting a girl that's symbolic of nature and the whole thing about World of Darkness werewolves is that they are the protectors of the Earth and its ecosystem from the ravages of civilization without regard for conservation.
I'm getting way too many new titles to get into in these comments. My love of anime and books will probably be the death of me!
@@anamazing2297 Fair warning for Wolf's Rain. You WILL cry. Probably a lot. It is extremely sad
I was hoping someone would reference "Wolf's Rain" since it's one of my favorite animes of all time.
"Heaven's not enough" starts playing in the distance...
"and certain NSFW qualities that form the backbone of an entire genre of erotica I regrettably now know exists."
Me, a fanfic reader: Ah, yes, another one has fallen down the hole.
Many find it, but only the truly doomed get trapped within it.
Each day I thank ao3's "exclude tag" feature for letting me stay as unaware about this as possible
@@symmetrymilton4542 It's too late for me, I'm already receiving verification emails from _Bad Dragon_
I literally laughed as hard as I have ever done when she said that, then my parents were looking at me weird. I just had to say, "it's a really niche joke," don't worry about.
Also UwU
@@sasaki999pro See, I don't know what that is. I didn't get trapped in the ABO realm. I accidentally bumped into the TF community. Sicker bastards I've never met.
When she said what St Augustine thought about people manifesting their spirit in wolf form while they were sleeping the first thing I thought about was “that’s kinda like the plot of Wolfwalkers” so it’s cool that she mentioned it.
"Moon drunk monster
Beautiful and strange
Howl you melancholy question
And tell me
Which you dread more
The echo or the answer"
-From Twitter
heavy metal my man 🤟
Actually that poem came from someone on Tumblr, and was stolen and posted on Twitter, with the same picture of the fridge magnets and everything, and the Twitter user taking credit from the other creator. Like pretty much every popular post on Twitter.
@@nkbujvytcygvujno6006
I didn't know! Do you know the source?
@@zarinaa1135 Unfortunately I have lost it. And we all know how impossible it is to find any old post on Tumblr, with its spaghetti code. You kind of have to rely on chance. But I thought it still deserved mentioning.
@@nkbujvytcygvujno6006 i swear iv seen that post on my dash, but after some google truns out it was orginaly a twitter post! I think it just also got really popular on tumblr so alot of people remember seeing it there insted lol
There is apparently a part in "The Epic of Gilgamesh" where Gilgamesh rejects Inanna (Ishtar) because she turned one of her exes into a wolf which would make him the oldest recorded werewolf. And if we just take the root of werewolf and consider them to be creatures that have both human and wolf characteristics, then Inpw(Anpu/Anubis) would be the world's second oldest werewolf. The African golden jackal which he was based on was recently reclassified as the African golden wolf. The Egyptian god of the dead and the most popular Egyptian god in modern pop culture is literally a wolf man.
Anubis is a jackal technically id save him for Lycanthropy/were creatures in general tropes or a larger look at Egypt mythology
@@cxfxcdude agreed
@@hypotheticalaxolotl Thank you for reading my comment fully before criticizing me.
I find it absolutely beautiful that Red learned about the Omegaverse because she had to research exactly what was involved in certain parts of werewolve ideas :,)
The Greek 9 years a wolf mythos might have been a story circulated in order to make it easier for people to accept the idea of having tamed wolves around, as they could just be a person who is stuck as a wolf for 9 years.
It also helps to explain why they were only around for about the average lifespan of a large canine/lupine animal.
"OH, King's 9 years must be up - that's why he didn't come back home..." kind of thing. Protect the innocence...
@@Broadpaw_Fox that makes sense...
Kid: Where is my dog spot?
Dad: Oh he turned back into a human and went home 🤣🤣🤣
I just thought of the Greek practice of ostracizing people, or banishing them for 10 (or, apparently, five) years. The person turned into a wolf only becomes human & potentially returns in the tenth year.
My French teacher told us about the French “werewolf” myth and her theory, although a little weird, makes some sense when you think about it. Her theory is that the animal was actually just a Hyena that rich people were importing but got loose somewhere around the countryside and started killing people when they got too close. If it had been in a foreign land it would’ve been very scared and overstimulated so randomly attacking people when they got too close makes sense
Plus, the artwork Red uses looks like a hyena!
Perhaps a group of hyenas, a single hyena is not very dangerous compared to even a wolf.
I've heard of the rich people's pet theory as well, although to be honest the "it looked like a wolf but not like a wolf" could have just been a side affect of fear more than anything else.
Well that doesn't add up, there are werewolf stories from long before "rich people" were likely to have been doing that.
I love cryptozoology, and the beast of Gevaudan is fascinating to me because it was obviously SOMETHING and it’s fun to wonder. I’ve read suggestions that it was a hyena, a wolf-mastiff hybrid and even a subadult lion, escaped from some travelling menagerie, which would’ve been huge and lightly spotted but without the mane that French villagers would at least be familiar with lions having. That idea matched some parts of reports like the large size, strange appearance and spotted coat and depictions of lions in medieval times would have been less than accurate, but I think the hyena idea is more interesting and more likely. I have heard it suggested that it was a thylacine, ie a Tasmanian wolf or tiger, which I love as a concept but definitely doesn’t hold up, given their pathetic size compared to actual wolves.
Don't forget the were-hyeanas, were-sharks, were-bears, were-crocodiles, were-(add animal). Every culture has a were-(insert local animal) and allmost all are awesome
Yep. Wish they talked more about the crocs. It really fits better.
Crocs are cold bastards.
Indeed, but we should take care to not just call every human-animal hybrid a werewolf though. While werewolves do can become different animals, they still have a set of common characteristics, such as the transfiguration and the curse aspect. Imagine if a south eastern asian researcher decided to call the Minotaur a kind of a werewolf.
@@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115 Well if it isn't connected to wolves, it isn't a werewolf. The minotaur is always a minotaur and doesn't transform, so it isn't a theriathrope(the umbrella term for were-animals). If there was a story about transforming into a bull, I could see it being a were-bull story. No one was calling every human animal hybrid a werewolf, top poster even distinguished a number of different animals?
Were-bears? Where? Bears? Men that are bears?
@@_chew_ There bear. There castle.
here in Brazil, we have a few Werewolf folk tales, i think the most famous is is that a man will turn into a Werewolf if he is the 7th son, where all his olders siblings are either all men or all women, and that he will first turn on his 13th birthday, and after that, he will turn into a werewolf every Friday (or Tuesday), and in order to turn back into a human he has to pass 7 crossroads, 7 churchs, 7 villages and 7 graveyards, if he couldnt make it he would stay a werewolf forever
"She turned me into a wolf!"
*Looks around*
"I got better."
I thought his claim was "newt."
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She turned him into that, too!
@@liamanderson7082 It was. I just altered it for the joke.
Someone should make a comic or something about the Benandanti: The Wolves of God.
Also, given that story, I’m now questioning why pop culture pits werewolves vs vampires and not werewolves vs witches.
Oh what's the legend about
@@Abarc_STEM The video goes into it, but they were Italian mystics who could astrally project themselves as wolves to drive away witches who would cause famines.
Well old age vampires were satanic creatures before they becoming hot but also witches in the modern day are usually characterized as female magic users or a derogatory term for fallen female magic users so they are no different than mages
To quote Red, "GIVE ME THIS MOVIE, HOLLYWOOD! YOU COWARDS!"
Just listen to Powerwolf
The werewolf solder whos able to turn this clothes into stone by peeing around them has very strange but an OP ability. [2:37]
Honestly if you could turn things into stone just peeing around them, you'd make a killing selling stone figurines and small sculptures, if you craft things with clay or wood first then transmute that. You'd just have to perfume them before you sell.
@@jonathangough9967 Lol! That is very true.
@@jonathangough9967 Not necessarily, he peed in a circle AROUND them, not ON them, so if they weren't splashed they should be ok.
My high school alma mater had St. Augustine as its patron Saint. I would have been so much more interested in his life story if I'd learned he wrote about werewolves.
I love how the alpha and beta sweat when Red starts talking about "certain nsfw pack dynamics"
What? Please explain?
@@thekinginyellowmessiahofha6308 There’s this thing called the ‘Omegaverse’, that is basically this idea of ‘alphas’ on top, ‘betas’ forming the rank-and-file of humanity, and ‘omegas’ acting as submissive and dubiously consenting sex objects for the ‘alphas’. Essentially. It’s weird and creepy and there’s like 2 Lindsay Ellis videos about it I highly recommend.
And of course the whole "alpha and beta" think is all rubbish anyway.
@Just some guy On the internet iv seen them more in yaoi fanfics then anything
@Just some guy On the internet jejeje cishet
God: "Are you saying I couldn't make a werewolf?"
Augustine: "No, that would be heresy. But I AM saying it would be dumb."
Me: "I like this guy."
He and St. Thomas Aquinas are Doctors of the Church, that's a good portion of their job
If god made werewolves real, we are doomed.
@@razi_man why would we be doomed?
Red: "Werewolves are objectively cooler than vampires"
*Leonardo Di Caprio pointing meme
its like asking "are you a dog person or cat person ?" bitch, when its cold I just want to sleep in a comfy blanked of living fur, I don't care if its made of a pile of cats, dogs or both. they are all awesome and made for cuddling.
Hear! Hear!🥳
"insufficient Jesus, prepare for flogging" would be an excellent T-Shirt
I love The Dresden Files for this because it used a bunch of these historical versions of werewolves and made them their own unique thing. The Author did a real deep-dive into werewolf lore and it showed.
Yeah it was like he decided to introduce every possible werewolf into the story and I love that
The cool part is that even choosing to become a werewolf isn't portrayed as an evil act. The evil came from taking a shortcut instead of learning properly through hard work and practice.
Also, the fact that Butters ends up dating one of them and boning two of them is awesome.
Dresden Files even had the Irish Saint curse bit.
Never read the Dresden Files, but from what I know it has 3 different kinds of vampires for inclusion of different forms of Vampires.
@@gokbay3057 Dresden Files is a really top-notch series. HIGHLY recommend it.
"Are you saying I _couldn't_ make a werewolf?"
"No, that would be heresy! But I _AM_ saying it would be dumb."
I have to be honest: Constantine is pretty based!
😂😂😂😂
I absolutely had no idea werewolves were so connected to christianity, always so cool to learn through your videos :3
In fact, there is actually a SAINT associated with werewolf hunting, St. Hubert. Technically, he is the saint of those who undergo religious in the woods, but since he also dedicated his life to fighting the "enemies of the Lamb" this also covers monster hunting.
St. Christopher, the patron saint of travelers, is often depicted as a dog-headed saint with a backstory tied to Gelert, the Faithful Hound. Eastern Orthodoxy had some weird early lore that said St. Christopher was a "cynocephal" or "dog-headed man" that some people legit thought existed around Rome's fall and were just a tribe that hung around. Christopher was healed of his dog appearance by becoming a Christian.
There's some weird werewolf lore in early Christianity.
Lupus Dei, wolf of God.
As a practicing Catholic myself, I am ashamed I didn’t know the faith was so tied in with this cool concept.
Basically every European mythology/legend that endured through the middle ages has some kind of connection to Christianity somewhere. Outside of Greco-Roman stuff, almost everything we know of European supernatural beliefs has been preserved through being either interwoven with Christian beliefs or as an account of what Christians were saying about "pegans" and their beliefs with almost every account of beliefs not making it to us by a Christian-held pen writing from a decidedly Christian perspective being erased from the historical record.
The loss of knowledge is sad, but it does mean that it's not really "if" but instead "where" any supernatural tellings from Medieval Europe have ties to Christianity. Pick a subject and dig, and you will find them.
Wolf children is by far my favorite werewolf ish story.
Wolfwalkers being my second.
Wolfwalkers is so good and it wasn’t until I watched this video that I realised that it’s basically just working off of the classic medieval werewolf system, which is pretty rad
Werewolves: Proof that Fursonas have been a thing for way longer than people think.
The Egyptian pantheon: Proof that Fursonas have been a thing for way longer than people think.
The Lion-man figurine, among the oldest bits of evidence that ancient humans have imagination (between 35 to 40 thousand years old): Proof that Fursonas have been a thing for way longer than people think
"Werewolves are objectively cooler and more interesting than vampires." Red really is never wrong.
Werewolves and Vampires are the Dwarves and Elves of Dark Fantasy respectively, which is enough in my book why Werewolves are better.
It just depends on what kind of werewolf/vampire you're talking about Dracula literally counts as both so its a false dichotomy.
@@kingpiye7060 Dracula is firmly referred as a Vampire first and formost with a wide variety of shapeshifting while the Stereotypical werewolf is only restricted to their wolf form though.
Werewolves are definitely more interesting
Ain't that the truth
Favourite takes of werewolves:
Dresden files and World of Darkness. The former has a spectrum from shapeshifter to the cursed rage monster we know and love, while the latter portrays them as guardians of the spirit world with their shapes and types of werewolf reflecting the phases of the moon
The Dresden files are such an amazing read
@@YngNug YES! I was looking for someone to mention them in the comments. Also find it interesting that one of the things that one dude "confessed" to at around 14:25 is TURNING INTO A WOLF USING A *MAGIC BELT*. I may be misremembering details, but isn't that what the Alpha Pack does...? Or at least began with.
@@robinchesterfield42 They're called "Hexenwulfen" in Dresden files lore because they do just that.