Humanity will survive indefinitely, but pieces of our culture and values die as generations pass. New problems will come along and old problems will die. It's just a matter of course. The unfortunate thing is that no generation decides to take the good things a previous generation has to offer. An example being todays generation throwing out the ideas of family and manliness, when they were good things
Fun fact about the pan being dead thing: it was most likely a mistranslation in the original greek. It can be read as either "tamuse, pan the great is dead" or as "tamuse the all great is dead".
@@FrumiousBandersnatch42 In this context, it was the greek name given to Dumuzid when his cult came to Greece (I spelled the name wrong before, it was supposed to be Tammuz)
Yeah! Didn't think anyone was going to mention that. But some comparative mythologies I've read have compared the Gigantomacy with Ragnarok. Comparing Heracles and Baldr as the "mortal-god" who arrives at the last moment to save the day.
The Giants weren't that great of a challenge, it was just that they were only vulnerable to mortal heroes, which made Heracles the best option to fight them. Typhoon was a much bigger threat and close to Greek ragnarock in my opinion, dude literally destroyed olympus, made the gods flee like rats with his presence alone, humiliated Zeus, and became his successor for a short time only to be defeated by Zeus again.
@@azidahaka8543 typhoon legit made zeus, king of the gods and son of time who surpassed time, his b*tch. Dude was the ultimate chad and the closest thing to a greek mythology supervillain.
@@projekttaku1 yep, he was the greatest challenge for the Olympians. And if the sisters of fate hadn't poisoned Typhoon in the 2nd fight he legit would've ended Zeus.
As far as I know the "pan being dead" thing came from a misunderstanding. The text could be interpreted either as "Tamus, the great pan is dead" or "Tamus the all great is dead". Pan was also the ancient Greek word for "all". Tamus was a character from a different mythology and had his own cult. I can't remember what the text is called or which mythology Tamus is from. I know he was the lover of a goddess called Ishtar and was primarily known for some underworld related myth.
that would be Tamuz is how its spelled IIRC, and he's also more well known as Dumuzid especially modernly as far as i recall. but yeah that comes from Mesopotamia and nowadays the only identifiers that really matter are Sumerian or Mesopotamian unless you're talking about a specific part of the region's history or city state especially given how wide spread the Sumerian language was especially for religious purposes
So basically... *'Golden'* age humans: Basically greek elves. Silver age humans: Weird but interesting. Bronze age *'humans':* Basically greek SUPER orcs! (can even make weapons from their own bodies!) Heroic age humans: Near perfect fantasy adventurer setting. Iron age humans: historical Greece, still pretty interesting in its own ways. (just don't get Hesiod started with one of his boomer rants..)
Tolkien was heavily versed in ancient mythology. It may be that the reverse is true: elves represent the golden age, orcs the bronze age, and the lord of the rings takes place at the end of the heroic age
I mean technically if you want to get into the closest thing to an apocalypse would be when Typhon tried to overthrow The Olympians and also maybe the Gigantomachy
Gigantomachy and Typhon myths are really weird in that supposedly Typhon was born after the Gigantomachy, where Heracles had taken part, and yet the Lerneian Hydra is a child of Typhon, which really doesn't add up to a meaningful timeline, since it had to be dead for Gigantomachy to take place. So even that depiction of the end of the world isn't developed enough to be considered viable. Which makes sense, since Typhon appears to not have been invented by Greeks, rather just borrowed from nearby Asian tribes.
Kind of impressive that Hesiod got through that entire Boomer rant without saying anything misogynistic. The bar is on the FLOOR when reading anything by Hesiod but sometimes he manages to clear it.
@@JakeDoubleyoo Makes a lot of sense. Most bad aspects can be traced back to vvomen in one way or another, usually directly. Just one example; Kids of single fathers tend to become somewhat unfamiliar with their emotions (which actually makes them mentally healthier), but otherwise very functional members of society. Kids of single mothers tend to become... criminals... Yeah, apparently almost 80 or 90% of criminals come from single mother homes. It should be no secret that vvomens influence make people extremely unstable, violent and immoral. And we all know misogyny is just truth that women don't like. It's worth mentioning that almost every single great mind throughout history, including the most famous ones, have all had "misogynistic" opinions on vvomen. Great minds who's ideas and theories we still use to this very day, and likely always will be. But instead of learning from the past, young people are hell-bent on repeating it...
@@schnek8927 That's a myth, remember that you can't draw a conclusion on statistics alone without analyzing other related statistics. Researchers didn't even make a conclusion that single mothers tend to raise a worse children just because they're a woman, it's politicians that are drawing that conclusion themselves. Single mothers tend to be less educated, get paid less, and poorer, all which can be traced to women not having the same opportunities as men. Financial situation is a very big factor in shaping the children's future. Not to mention that if the mother won the custody, it's because she's likely more fit to rear children than the father or the father died or is in prison. That doesn't mean that the mother is necessary good, but it's just imply the father is absent or is worse for that particular case. And the supporting statistics that men are more likely to commit violent crimes and be the perpetrator of domestic abuse could've been a contributing factor to women more likely to win the custody, I'm saying this is an inherit problem with men, but unfortunately for your part, you aren't the only one that can use that logic. The world is overall more peaceful today than in the past, despite that men have way more power back then. I could come up with many more arguments using the same logic as you, so don't fall into that trap.
I remember reading about a prophecy that said Zeus' son with Metis will kill him. So Zeus ate her. After some time his forehead cracked and Athena (his daughter with Metis) emerged from within. His son wasn't yet born. But when he would eventually be born, he would kill Zeus and give the Olympians the same fate as the Titans. Probably the cycle of parents eating children and children killing parents would continue. That's the closest to Ragnarok/Apocalypse I can think of.
I remember thinking recently that if someone really wanted Zeus deposed, they would just need to find some way to get him to drink his own semen. Metis would become pregnant again, this time with the prophesied son, who would be born from Zeus's body the same way Athena was, and... well, you get the gist from there.
@@OptimusPhillip You;re like one syncretism away from "trick him into eating splooge salad" like ancient Egypt did, and that's kinda hilarious to think of
Personally, I'd have Pandora be the one to overthrow Zeus since she's technically his brain child, given the whole "have her open the titular box/urn to punish mankind" was his idea. It'd be karmic for damn sure.
So I always had a theory that Greek mythology had an apocalypse that was lost to time. It's based on the story of Zeus and Metis where Zeus was destined to have a son with Metis who would take over from Zeus. As seen in Greek Mythology the son killing and taking over from the father happens often. It happened to Ouranus and Kronos. As known Athena is born and Zeus ate Metis before they could have a second child, but it's Greek Mythology where people are having kids by themselves or turning random rocks into people. The idea that Metis in Zeus has another kid is not that far fetched. So my theory is that there could've been more to that story but it was lost
An obscure Greek Myth had Zagreus as Zeus Son/Grandson(Yeah Zeus has committed 2 out of 3 types of incest)and he was also destined to replace Zeus as he was the only who could weld his thunderbolts and the legend says Zeus consider retirement until Hera had Zagreus killed which later Zeus took his remains and made a potion that he feed to another of his lovers and thus Zagreus was born again as Dionysus. So yeah it possible that was some end time theme cult that has been lost to time along with their beliefs.
A part of me really wants to see a story where someone tricks Zeus into eating his own semen, impregnating Metis again and conceiving the prophesied son, eventually leading to Zeus's downfall.
There definitely were apocalyptic tales, but it also probably varies by era and region. We're talking about tons of micro-cultures, sects, and cults over a two or three thousand year period, so of course a lot's been lost and the stories we do have were never set in stone (in the metaphorical sense). But, for instance, there's the story of Deucalion, a sort of "Noahs ark" where a man and his wife survive a world-wide flood, and repopulate the Earth by throwing rocks/bones (the "bones" being "the bones of the mother, Gaia", meaning rocks) over their shoulders once the flood recedes, resulting in a kind of new world with Deucalion as it's first king. Massive destruction begetting a "new world" and humanity starting over in that world is pretty much exactly the kinds of themes that make an apocalypse myth, so it counts in my book. And the child of Metis (or, earlier on, Persephone) and Zeus you're thinking of is Dionysus-Zagreus ("the first dionysus"), as told by the Orphic cults (500BC). Zagreus was thought to be the best heir for Zeus, but the Titans dismembered and ate him as a child (Heras doing, of course), though Athena saved his heart and Zeus sewed it into his uh... "thigh" is the ancient way of saying it, where Zagreus would eventually be reborn as Dionysus. It seems like at some point, it was believed that Dionysus would take over as king of the gods (at least in some sects), but as we don't have any stories about it, we don't know whether it would have been by overthrowing Zeus or just by inheriting the throne.
I seem to remember that there was some very vague implications that Titans and Olympians are due to a rematch one day, but other than that there wasn't really "end times" propechy. Also regarding Ragnarök, it's most likely what we have now is not the "genuine article" so to speak. Since Norse didn't have their own written language and relied primarly on oral tradition(which in on itself mutates over each retelling) and they started writing these down when their conversion was well on way, it's exactly hard to discern what parts are influenced by christianity.
Cant believe I found this channel now…would be awesome to see mythology from other ethnicities and cultures like Japan or China or Aztec. Keep up great vids!
I think the infant grey hair thing reference's how elder age is like infancy. Although I find it hilarious that zeus made a humanity who grew up over a hundred years and then die after 1. Wouldn't've it made more logical sense to give them a shorter growth period and longer prime, like till their a 100? (btw talking about hesiod's believed silver age rather than it being real)
There was one story I heard recently, which threw me off because despite being a fan (though by no means an expert), I've never heard of this particular tale. (edited this paragraph as I missed typing out "never.") Basically, the story takes place in a time after Greek Mythos was absorbed into Roman culture, so everyone was known by their Roman counterparts. Due to the Roman's desire of warfare, Ares/Mars stopped being a complete joke he was in earlier versions and was vastly more sacred. There came a day which Ares/Mars rounded up his kin and challenged Zeus/Jupiter. The battle was hard fought and so brutal that Zeus/Jupiter eventually attempted to ask for peace between them. Ares/Mars *allowed* Zeus/Jupiter to remain on the throne of Olympus on the condition that no deity can directly interfere with the human realm again. This would explain why the Gods stopped visiting Earth to have children or assist in warfare or any of the sort - only deities with jobs such as Helios or Thanatos could show up and only to carry out their tasks. This was their version of the Greek Mythology Apocalypse, because if you aren't worshipped as a God, are you really a God? This also brings the story of Zeus being overthrown back into question. Growing up, I just heard that while the warning was "Zeus' next child" and it wound up being Athena who, as the Goddess of Wisdom, realized things were mostly at peace so never bothered to try overthrowing her father. However, the warning was actually "Zeus' first son." Zeus' first son with Hera was indeed, Ares - who'd later do what he did in the first story I mentioned. This is why I love Greek mythos. There are so many stories and so many versions.
y'all not even gonna talk about how ridiculous it is for Ares, the man who was wounded by a human -Diomedes- to solo all of Olympus and every god that wanted to keep messing around on earth? on top of that why in the flying fuck would he let Zeus stay on the throne instead of taking over? realistically this myth just reeks of Christian influence and tampering along with people trying to posthumously cap off something that didn't have a big end to it naturally like if something ends off casually and naturally then people later try to make up a massive ending for it either to look cooler or so they have something to shut people up lel realistically wasn't strategic warfare more Rome's thing? which would make more sense to put to Athena not Ares
@@Pokemaster-wg9gx Try comparing Loki as he is in his early myths vs the bringer of Ragnarok at the end. Also, we should consider how the gods may have been viewed from city state to city state. Athens is the city we get most of our knowledge of Greek mythology from. As Athena was their patron goddess and was seen to be in rivalry with Ares, the patron god to Sparta, it's not hard to imagine why the stories we get passed down to us treats him like a joke. As for Romans, Ares (or Mars as we was known) was supposed to be the father to their founding father (Romulus), one of their patrons, and was the consort to Aphrodite (Venus), another patron to their city. It stands to reason the Romans would treat him with a bit more respect. As for this supposed myth itself, I'm not going to comment one way or another on it. I think I remember reading it some years ago somewhere else, but I can't remember where and I don't remember where the guy who posted it said he found it. I will say it seems to put a nice cap on the age of mythology, with the god of war ending the interventions by the gods, preserving conflict, yet also ensuring there's order and a lack of complete destruction by allowing the king of Olympus to continue reigning.
@@Pokemaster-wg9gx Most of Greek Mythology treats Ares as a joke because Ares wasn't exactly a Greek God for starters. He was a god of warfare and agriculture in Thracia. When Athens fought Thracia and won, they assimilated this new god, changed stuff about him (as you do) and turned him into the butt of every joke possible (mythologically speaking) as a way to reinforce how the 'civilized Athenians' were superior to the 'barbarians in Thracia'. Some accounts of Ares' birth say that he was, in fact, born in Thracia. So yeah, there is a reason why people shit on Ares all the time and make him into the butt of every single joke you can imagine: propaganda. I mean, isn't it weird that Athena's second boytoy wounded Ars, knowing especially how Athenians thought of him? Also, fun fact: in Sparta, the people there adored more Apollo, Artemis and Athena than Ares.
I’d like to think in Greek mythos, the world just doesn’t end, we’ve seen how cyclical is with every generation of gods, with ouranos, Kronos, and then Zeus, typhon was just close to overthrowing Zeus
There is an end if you accept Plato's ideas. People exist to be virtuous and understand the truth, as illustrated by the Cave. People that are bad or disregard virtue continue being reincarnated until they get it, at which point no one remains. Their psyche doesn't end up in Hades it simply returns to the Hyper-Ouranos, where concepts and ideas have always existed, our rightful place. An empty land is all that remains behind, I'd say that's an apocalypse of a kind.
Please for the love of the gods talk about Zagreus and Dionysus and how he's gonna be in charge one day Also the Dionysus is technically the son of Metis because of the leg thing and Zeus absorbing her,so that's cool.
@@FlyingNova223 actually,no,that's based on A real myth,that they put into hades as a reference. Look up Overly sarcastic productions video for more information,but Dionysus used to be a cthonic death/rebirth god! I do love hades though.
The Trojan War is the end of greek mythology in my mind. In it, most heroes end up killed, the survivors them die later by the gods, with exception of people like Odysseus and Aeneas (in the Roman version). Odysseus dies in a tragedy, and the Heraclides (Dorians) take over all major greek citys, thus ending the Heroes Age, and leading to the Iron Age where greek people and kings (especially Spartans) claimed to be descended of Heracles, and in this age they are closest to the heroes, but Hesiod claims in Catalogue of Woman that Gods never more interacted with humans directly or only rarely, and decided to live up in the heavens instead of Mount Olympus, and Zeus forbidden any god of having sons with the humans, thus leading to a world without any greatness.
everything was consistent except for the last part Zeus really Zeus the guy who has like 20+ children (from what I remember) with most of them from anyone but his own wife
Hessiod seems to have proven that humainity never really changed, technology has advanced a lil, but humans act the same. We've just gotten better at realizing it.. Hell ancient greeks even had disney world animatronics that they called Automata
If you watch OSP's video on Hermes, it describes why the whole "Pan is dead!" rumor wasn't generally accepted, and only came about due to mistranslation.
Aeschylus's Prometheus Bound DOES have Prometheus say that Zeus's reign would not last forever, but while its sequels are not fully preserved it's most commonly interpreted that Zeus avoided this downfall by forgiving Prometheus, who warned him not to have a kid with Thetis. Still it is POSSIBLE that there was some idea that Zeus would eventually fall.
The 'children will be born with grey hair' is a prophecy of diminishing lifespans which is also mentioned when he says children will grow angry with their parents as they grow older faster than them. This is interestingly parallel with some other Indo-European myths - in particular the Vedic cosmology - where there is a cycle of degenerating ages culminating in the age of Kali, the goddess of destruction (the 'Kali Yuga' much beloved in a certain type of internet memery). In each age men are smaller and shorter-lived than the previous, with various guesses as to how bad things will get before Kalki appears and inaugurates a new golden age. Rather gloomily the Kali Yuga is supposed to have begun 5,000 years ago and we're 425,000 years away from things getting good again.
OMG thank you so much for making this video you would not believe how hard it is to get a straight answer trying to find out if Greek mythology had its own apocalypse. I have been trying to get this question answered for years.
Thank you 😁👍 This is one of my questions I’ve been wondering and thank you of explaining it I can’t wait to you dude the north guard videos and then soon later Ragnarok
I’ve actually heard a theory about pan being dead the quote “thamus, the great god Pan is dead” might have been a misunderstanding, because pan is a suffix for ‘all’ So a sailor might have heard the worshipers of tammuz saying “Tammuz the all-great is dead” and misunderstanding it
For the Pan is dead thing it’s maybe just a miss understanding because Pan also mean all in ancient greece. Osp did a video on Hermes and it go on the Pan is dead thing
I feel like Zues would inevitably be usurped by one of his many sons. Or maybe his kids for any army to overthrow him. Either way, afterwards, the cycle will probably continue.
If I can recommend something for you to cover I would love for you to go through the epic cycle roughly from the cypria to the nostoi or the odyssey depending if you want to count Homer's works in some people choose not to edit also possibly the telegony the story that feels like it just ruins the 'happy' ending of the odyssey. I entirely forgot about that one
fantastic video! I think it is possible that you overlooked a detail that may be key; I mean about babies born with white hair. The virtue of men is not the only thing that declines as they advance, also their stage of youth and innocence. In the account of the ages emphasis is made on several occasions to the duration of the life of mortals. • Gold: comparable to that of the gods. they live in peace. • Silver: 100 years of childhood and a short adult life. • Bronze: They become violent. Wars arise. • Heroes: The situation seems to improve, but it ends with the most chaotic war in Greek mythology. • iron: it will end in total chaos, with babies being born with white hair.
I think the whole “Born with grey hair” thing is supposed to mean or at least refer to the lifespan of the future generations. With the downward spiral and indulgence into chaos the younger generation will eventually get to a certain point where even the newborns are so hopeless that no meaning is held by humanity. Thus Zeus would kill them off like unwanted scraps on a dinner plate because what use are humans when they have drifted so far away. Or it could also mean that death comes far sooner to the young as a type of metaphor. That’s my take on it anyway.
So what i got from this is Hesiod basically saying "Younger brother of mine, YOUR PART OF THE REASON THE WORLD'S BEEN GOING DOWN TO SH*T" thank and good whatever time of day it is for you
dude have you read "a true Story" or "True History" by Lucian of Samosata? its something like the first sci fi story every written... as it was written in ancient greece. its pure satire of a dude who was annoyed by his contemporary sources telling of their fantastical voyages and presenting them as truth. maybe you wanna make a vid on it which i would love but even if you dont its well worth a read.
It should be noted that Greek mythology has so many variations because of the classes and peoples who shared the tales. For instance, the story of Psyche and Eros is purely philosophical. Most myths taught by the farmers and philosophers were done to present meaning or, more accurately, explain why terms mean what they do. Plato is infamous for trying to find out the names of various gods and for his and Socrates's etymology of the term "daimon". Farmers (or the lower-class, which was effectively all of Greece) only shared tales that they were taught from birth, or used them as fairy tales to explain natural phenomena (for instance, Echo). There being an "end" to Greek myth isn't logical because the philosophers understood the world as eternal. Thales of Miletus did not believe in any gods, but said that they were all from one, grand and eternal divine source. Xenophanes of Colophon joined him in that regard and posited that all myths were just stories told by people who want to see themselves in the divine, rather than the divine itself. Plato's ideas (or forms if you're more used to that term) is pretty much what most understood Greek gods as. Eternal, benevolent forces that controlled the world. Interestingly, people point to Typhon as an "apocalypse", but a lot of them miss the point. The point of Typhon is to explain why a "Typhoon" happens, and the argument put forth by most was that Hera and Zeus had a disagreement, so the winds of Earth and Heaven (Hera cast the seed of Typhon into the Earth, Zeus reigns from the Heavens) disagree as well, causing a massive problem for everyone else. The story is given humanistic additions because it is a way to tell the reader that a husband and wife - a mother and father - fighting can and normally does drag everyone else into a messy situation. Further, the giants are simply natural phenomena. You can tell this from how expressions are formed from them. For instance, "Front-Liner", or Egkelados, is called such because he references earthquakes, and many would say: "Ο Εγκέλαδος ξανατύπησε με ένταση!", "Egkelados intensely strikes once more!". I think you're a little too hard on Hesiod. Remember, he is not really a native to the mainland of Greece. His father had to flee from his homeland in Turkey and sailed to Greece as a last resort. Hesiod, then, would grow up being told about how terrible things are in his father's homeland, and he would see it happening around him. Women, in the society that Hesiod grew up under, did very little. This is not Athens, a city, this is a farmland where women couldn't do a lot of work beyond birthing life, and Hesiod is already livid at his brother for not doing anything justly. He explains why women act as they do, and why they do not labour in the fields, why they don't participate while fending off soldiers, etc., by saying that they weren't born to do so, but to be a mixture of a gift and an evil. It isn't a good view in modern times to hold, but it is far from unreasonable. Ask a Northern European about the Gypsies, and you'll be heralded stories about every single evil one committed tens of years ago as an example of all suffering; ask an American about a Muslim and you'll likely be told about 9/11; ask a Greek about a Turk and you'll be told stories about how the Turks murdered the Greeks' great-grandfamily, same for the Turk to the Greek. To summarise my post: There isn't really an "end times" for Greek myth because the world was understood as eternal. Typhon and the giants are manifestations of mankind's problems, and are built as such. Farmers and lower class people usually shared stories as fairy tales to teach and impart these lessons, and philosophers wrote myth using terms like "soul" and "love" (the meanings of "psyche" and "eros") to present how life is. Finally, Hesiod was not a "boomer", he was a man who came from a family that lost everything, had to work to barely survive in the old world, and was angry at his brother for being a fool and understood women as life-givers with a curse because they didn't help whatsoever.
Greeks used to have recurring Apocalypse, just in the passing of gods generation, from Uranos to Cronos; the only reason Zeus avoided His own Apocalypse was because Prometeo advised Him (in exchange for finish the eagle eating his liver) about it; wich was why Tetis was married to a man, so her son were not greater than his father, who was going to be no other than Zeus. So that's how Zeus avoided the fatality of the gods in general, which was not to die, but to be condemned to some kind of torment in the Tartare, as did the same Zeus with the Titans in the Apocalypse that brought HIM to power.
If it did have an equivalent world ending scenario, what would it be like? Don’t go for the cop out of it being just the same as the titanomachy. Let’s analyze the patterns of the others & see what would happen if applied.
There is not an “End” for the Roman/Greek mythology, but Zeus/Jupiter had a prophecy ( depending on the version the Oracle is different) about one of his sons killing and dethroning him. This is not a complete end or world destruction path, but it can be considered the end of an era like what happened when Zeus dethroned his father
Actually I think I remember something I read ages mentioning that I guess theorized that the golden age humans while they all died of (for some reason) some amongst them, their souls or ghosts would continue to linger in the mortal world long after their age's end, acting as helpful, benevolent spirits or good *'daemons'* for humans in later ages, even into the iron age. (I think...it's been ages since I remember seeing such a theory)
I'm asking , if you could do a video about some Mythical Creatures that we may don't know or just hear their name : like Gorgon as I see a Mythical Metal Bull with poisonous breath , Nymph , Nix , Naga , Basilisk , Sprite , Phoenix , troglodyte ..... etc.
Children born with gray hair may be a refference to the idea that humans's lifespan becomes shorter and shorter in each subsequent era. Is common in the myths of many cultures that the first generations of men lived hundreds of years
that's kinda why I don't get the silver age idea. People grow for a hundred years and die after 1 year in their prime? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to grow into their prime for 30 years and stay like that for the rest of their live span, let's say a hundred years? Also, kinda ironic how that's the exact opposite of what's happening now.
I heard a story (don't know how true it is), that Zues had a son with either a goddess or human, who was named Zagreus (he was either Dionysius before or after death, or a different person depending on the version). Anyways, Zues gave him his thunderbolt which showed that Zues chosed him as his heir. Hera was furious as Zagreus was another's women's child. In some way she made Zues kill Zagreus and Zues sewed Zagreus' body to his leg (don't know the significance of that). The question is, did Zues really wanted to end the tradition of patricide by willingly giving up authority to his son or did he manipulated the event as a way to stay in power and justify killing his son?? Again, I don't know if this is canon or not, but it would've been a better storyline for the God of War franchise as Kratos in Greek Mythology was a son of 2 Titans and was one of Zues' bodyguard
This is specifically the story in the Orphic religion I believe. Where they saw hades and zeus as living and dead versions of the same God, and likewise would be overthrown by their son who was dionysus and zagreus as living and dead versions of the same God.
Theory worth noting about the pan being dead thing (aside from the oft cited mistranslation deliberately perpetuated by Christians thing) is that Pan was originally an outgrowth of the more wilderness and dangerous madness aspects of Dionysos as he was being adopted into more mainstream hellenic religion from the ancient mystery and menace of Diwonuso, and the claim that the great god Pan is dead was a lament that the wild itself had been tamed, that the untamed places where true liberty from civilisation could be sought were no more. This obviously requires the view that Pan is being held as a metaphorical aspect of a god rather than being held to be a god himself (which may be a bit of a stretch) and so the claim that he is dead is a claim that that aspect of that undying god is faded rather than the god himself having died. (Though Dionysus is definitely the “exception” that proves the rule of the Athanatoic nature of the theoi, with his whole dying brutally and yet always rising anew thing)
I come here today ask for a solution to a situation I’ve been pondering. I have this series about the Greek Gods, and I plan to end it with a big movie where the Pantheon takes on the Abrahamic God; Yahweh. Olympus wins the day over Eden obviously. but following things happen (some of these were pre-established in the series). And it all needs to make some sort During the fight, Zeus is (somehow) killed. Meaning that he will have to become a Chthonic Deity. Demeter fully retires from her role as Plant Goddess after the stress and strain of her “springtime” and her age eventually prompts her to share the role with her daughter; Persephone Out of all of the Goddesses, Zeus seems to have the healthiest relationship with Demeter. So Demeter accepts Zeus’ offer to help him rule the Underworld (as it’s known for its perpetual youth and beauty). Cerberus, Charon, the now dating Thanatos and Zagreus, and Melinöe stay in what used to be the latter two’s father’s domain. Zagreus will eventually succeed Zeus and Demeter. Oh, and this means that Hera is now single After something that I won’t bring up ‘till and years upon years persistent asking from Artemis, Athena and Aphrodite. Zeus allows Hyacinthus to leave the Underworld and to be granted Godhood, he becomes the “God of Flowers” and ties the knot Apollo. Apollo and Hyacinthus’ love for each other is so strong that it births a whole new deity: Sappho the Demigoddess of Homosexual Love. A few things go down (that I haven’t figured out yet) ends in Poseidon not being the King of the Ocean, Triton succeeds his father. Nerites becomes the new “Messenger of the Seas” thus establishing a firm friendship with Hermes I have also thought of a different ending regarding Zeus, Demeter and Poseidon. Demeter still goes down to the underworld, however Poseidon is killed instead of Zeus (so ol’ Fish Guts has to fill the role Zeus originally assigned to him after the Titanomachy) so Poseidon and Demeter are new King and Queen of the Underworld. Either that other Demeter’s king is her old mortal lover; Iasion (I don’t what happens with Poseidon or Triton in that scenario) . Zeus also abdicates to just be the God of Storms. leaving… and finally, Hades and Persephone move back to Olympus full-time to become the new King and Queen of the Gods also, I want to do something with Helios, Selene, Athena, Hermes and Aphrodite. But I don’t know what and since this video is about the “Greek Beginning ” myth. I thought that this would be a great place to dump my little fanfic about the “Greek Mythology ending” How would you work it out with it still making sense to how the universe acts?
Not skipping to the end yet? ...sooooooo, does this mean you're going to cover the (possible?) story of Heimdall and Loki throwing hands over a bracelet while both were transformed into seals?
"Do not let a woman who decorates her buttocks deceive you, By wily, coaxing, for she is after your granary;" -Hesiod, proving once again that he is a boomer
While not the end of the world, the Iliad can be seen as some kind of apocalypse, because it tells the story of the end of all heroes and with them the end of greek mythology.
Zeus: I’m never going to be overthrown. I won! I solved all the problems: Dionysus who was born again from Zeus’ thigh, thus technically making him the son of Zeus and Metis because Metis was swallowed by Zeus, making him a technical candidate as someone who could overthrow him: *Peels down the vine wall of his vineyard* Are you sure about that?
Chiron was a God in Greek Mythology. Immortal like his half-siblings Zeus, Hades, Poseidon, Hera, etc. Except he died by renouncing his immortality to Prometheus so he, Chiron, could finally be relieved of his suffering from Hercules' poisonous arrow which accidentally shot him in the leg. Chiron was then placed in the sky as the constellation Centaurus.
I'd like to assume that the greek pantheon's ragnarok was them pissing off a spartan by tricking him into killing his wife and children, punishing him to wear their ashes on his skin to then be called "the ghost of sparta". eventually they would covince the spartan to slay ares when he would try threaten zeus's reign over greece by using pandora's box as leverage, the spartan would somehow successfully slay ares and would become the new god of war only for the olympian gods to betray and kill him out of fear that he would seek vengeance against olympus after are's brutal death. then the fallen god would fight his was to the sisters of fate, traverse back in time, reclaim his godly powers and release the titans to seige mount olympus. one by one the god of war would murder every god he came across and eventually would reach his way to the top where he would end zeus's life and bring about an apocalypse over greece as the olympian pantheon was forever destroyed.
i always like to think of god of war game as the greek end of the world we never have, i even think that they make a change in game lore they could actually make the greek end of the world.
Kambe or Campe was a female monster who was a guard of Tartarus and guard of the Cyclopes and Hecatoncheires, whom Uranus had imprisoned there. She was killed by Zeus when he freed the Cyclopes and Hecatoncheires, who then helped Zeus defeat Cronus. In the Theogony, Hesiod describes Campe as looking similar to the monster Typhon.
@@thecowilsoninc4175 You do realize, that Ouranos isn't really able to produce children anymore, right? Like...that was the whole point of his dismemberment.
@@thecowilsoninc4175 Okok, so Tartarus is a female goddess in your story, gets the water and the child, because...plot reasons? Why should he do this? In the orginial myths, Tartarus and Gaia had children, like the mentioned Typhon or the Giants, who started the Gigantomachy. And at both occasions, Zeus won in the end, so why trying it again with a single Titan? Apart from that, Ouranos and Gaia hated each other, for what reason should Tartarus side with Ouranos by conciving Kambe? Your "story" doesn't make any sense in it self.
@@thecowilsoninc4175 Well, I guess on the one hand, your story writing skills are something to laugh about. And on the other hand, something to cry about. Congratulations, you have successfully created a tragicomedy, a good first step to be an aspiring literary.
To my awareness the closes thing to Greek ragnarok would be gigantomachia which was a prophecy that gods couldn't kill the giants without the help of a mortal but it already happened and the technical mortal was heracles
Christian Apocalypse: Titanic battle between Heaven and Hell as all the sins of humanity are tallied and judged. Norse Apocalypse: Climatic battle between legions of gods and monsters to decide the final ownership of the world. Greek Apocalypse: Old man rants at clouds.
I once heard a quote from ancient Greece that was basically "How is humanity supposed to survive with the youth of today?"
Old people never change
some things just never change...
Literally Lmao
@@teanobeano6838 apparently young people dont either
Humanity will survive indefinitely, but pieces of our culture and values die as generations pass. New problems will come along and old problems will die. It's just a matter of course. The unfortunate thing is that no generation decides to take the good things a previous generation has to offer. An example being todays generation throwing out the ideas of family and manliness, when they were good things
Hesiod had the first recorded "I was Born in the wrong generation" comment
lol fr
Fun fact about the pan being dead thing: it was most likely a mistranslation in the original greek. It can be read as either "tamuse, pan the great is dead" or as "tamuse the all great is dead".
Isn't Tamuse the name of a month?
@@FrumiousBandersnatch42 In this context, it was the greek name given to Dumuzid when his cult came to Greece (I spelled the name wrong before, it was supposed to be Tammuz)
Yeah Jake also watches osp
@@Yolky81 What's OSP?
@@FrumiousBandersnatch42 overly sarcastic productions. It's a RUclips channel
Honestly I thought you were going to talk about the giants as it’s really the closest Greek mythology gets to an “apocalypse”.
Ok
Yeah! Didn't think anyone was going to mention that. But some comparative mythologies I've read have compared the Gigantomacy with Ragnarok. Comparing Heracles and Baldr as the "mortal-god" who arrives at the last moment to save the day.
The Giants weren't that great of a challenge, it was just that they were only vulnerable to mortal heroes, which made Heracles the best option to fight them.
Typhoon was a much bigger threat and close to Greek ragnarock in my opinion, dude literally destroyed olympus, made the gods flee like rats with his presence alone, humiliated Zeus, and became his successor for a short time only to be defeated by Zeus again.
@@azidahaka8543 typhoon legit made zeus, king of the gods and son of time who surpassed time, his b*tch.
Dude was the ultimate chad and the closest thing to a greek mythology supervillain.
@@projekttaku1 yep, he was the greatest challenge for the Olympians. And if the sisters of fate hadn't poisoned Typhoon in the 2nd fight he legit would've ended Zeus.
As far as I know the "pan being dead" thing came from a misunderstanding. The text could be interpreted either as "Tamus, the great pan is dead" or "Tamus the all great is dead". Pan was also the ancient Greek word for "all". Tamus was a character from a different mythology and had his own cult.
I can't remember what the text is called or which mythology Tamus is from. I know he was the lover of a goddess called Ishtar and was primarily known for some underworld related myth.
Tamus is Ishtar's lover from Babylonian mythology.
Ishtar is babylonian
that would be Tamuz is how its spelled IIRC, and he's also more well known as Dumuzid especially modernly as far as i recall. but yeah that comes from Mesopotamia and nowadays the only identifiers that really matter are Sumerian or Mesopotamian unless you're talking about a specific part of the region's history or city state especially given how wide spread the Sumerian language was especially for religious purposes
Greek gods : we don't have any apocalypse
Kratos : looks like job for me
Its a freaking video game thats not really apart of the myths
@@matthewconz89 and thats a joke
Kratos would fucking die to actual mythology
So tru
@@zaneproductions-animations7544 Kratos in Greek mythology is the personification of strength, meaning nobody else could be stronger than him.
So basically...
*'Golden'* age humans: Basically greek elves.
Silver age humans: Weird but interesting.
Bronze age *'humans':* Basically greek SUPER orcs! (can even make weapons from their own bodies!)
Heroic age humans: Near perfect fantasy adventurer setting.
Iron age humans: historical Greece, still pretty interesting in its own ways. (just don't get Hesiod started with one of his boomer rants..)
Tolkien was heavily versed in ancient mythology. It may be that the reverse is true: elves represent the golden age, orcs the bronze age, and the lord of the rings takes place at the end of the heroic age
The closest the olympians ever came to an Apocalypse scenario was Typhon, except Zeus won in the end.
Although an Apocalypse doesn't necessitate the gods losing. In the biblical apocalypse there is a world-ending battle, but God comes out on top.
@@realrickyshea you're right, should've used Ragnarok instead
I mean technically if you want to get into the closest thing to an apocalypse would be when Typhon tried to overthrow The Olympians and also maybe the Gigantomachy
That's true, that myth sure was hectic.
typhon was the ultimate chad and way too op.
Guy straight up humiliated zeus.
True
Gigantomachy and Typhon myths are really weird in that supposedly Typhon was born after the Gigantomachy, where Heracles had taken part, and yet the Lerneian Hydra is a child of Typhon, which really doesn't add up to a meaningful timeline, since it had to be dead for Gigantomachy to take place. So even that depiction of the end of the world isn't developed enough to be considered viable.
Which makes sense, since Typhon appears to not have been invented by Greeks, rather just borrowed from
nearby Asian tribes.
Kratos
Kind of impressive that Hesiod got through that entire Boomer rant without saying anything misogynistic. The bar is on the FLOOR when reading anything by Hesiod but sometimes he manages to clear it.
Well the point where things started to go downhill for his race was, y'know, when women were introduced. So the misogyny is kinda baked in.
@@JakeDoubleyoo did you know the Greeks hated women so much because they kept stealing all the other men
@@JakeDoubleyoo Makes a lot of sense.
Most bad aspects can be traced back to vvomen in one way or another, usually directly.
Just one example; Kids of single fathers tend to become somewhat unfamiliar with their emotions (which actually makes them mentally healthier), but otherwise very functional members of society.
Kids of single mothers tend to become... criminals...
Yeah, apparently almost 80 or 90% of criminals come from single mother homes. It should be no secret that vvomens influence make people extremely unstable, violent and immoral.
And we all know misogyny is just truth that women don't like.
It's worth mentioning that almost every single great mind throughout history, including the most famous ones, have all had "misogynistic" opinions on vvomen. Great minds who's ideas and theories we still use to this very day, and likely always will be.
But instead of learning from the past, young people are hell-bent on repeating it...
@@schnek8927 lol incel is mad no girl wants to date him.
@@schnek8927
That's a myth, remember that you can't draw a conclusion on statistics alone without analyzing other related statistics. Researchers didn't even make a conclusion that single mothers tend to raise a worse children just because they're a woman, it's politicians that are drawing that conclusion themselves. Single mothers tend to be less educated, get paid less, and poorer, all which can be traced to women not having the same opportunities as men. Financial situation is a very big factor in shaping the children's future.
Not to mention that if the mother won the custody, it's because she's likely more fit to rear children than the father or the father died or is in prison. That doesn't mean that the mother is necessary good, but it's just imply the father is absent or is worse for that particular case. And the supporting statistics that men are more likely to commit violent crimes and be the perpetrator of domestic abuse could've been a contributing factor to women more likely to win the custody, I'm saying this is an inherit problem with men, but unfortunately for your part, you aren't the only one that can use that logic.
The world is overall more peaceful today than in the past, despite that men have way more power back then. I could come up with many more arguments using the same logic as you, so don't fall into that trap.
I remember reading about a prophecy that said Zeus' son with Metis will kill him. So Zeus ate her. After some time his forehead cracked and Athena (his daughter with Metis) emerged from within. His son wasn't yet born. But when he would eventually be born, he would kill Zeus and give the Olympians the same fate as the Titans. Probably the cycle of parents eating children and children killing parents would continue. That's the closest to Ragnarok/Apocalypse I can think of.
I remember thinking recently that if someone really wanted Zeus deposed, they would just need to find some way to get him to drink his own semen. Metis would become pregnant again, this time with the prophesied son, who would be born from Zeus's body the same way Athena was, and... well, you get the gist from there.
@@OptimusPhillipi want to read a story about that idea it would be hilarious 👍
@@OptimusPhillip You;re like one syncretism away from "trick him into eating splooge salad" like ancient Egypt did, and that's kinda hilarious to think of
Personally, I'd have Pandora be the one to overthrow Zeus since she's technically his brain child, given the whole "have her open the titular box/urn to punish mankind" was his idea. It'd be karmic for damn sure.
So I always had a theory that Greek mythology had an apocalypse that was lost to time. It's based on the story of Zeus and Metis where Zeus was destined to have a son with Metis who would take over from Zeus. As seen in Greek Mythology the son killing and taking over from the father happens often. It happened to Ouranus and Kronos. As known Athena is born and Zeus ate Metis before they could have a second child, but it's Greek Mythology where people are having kids by themselves or turning random rocks into people. The idea that Metis in Zeus has another kid is not that far fetched. So my theory is that there could've been more to that story but it was lost
Maybe Dionysus? Sense Zeus was the one who incubated him after Semele died, and Métis is now apart of Zeus, that would make him her son.
An obscure Greek Myth had Zagreus as Zeus Son/Grandson(Yeah Zeus has committed 2 out of 3 types of incest)and he was also destined to replace Zeus as he was the only who could weld his thunderbolts and the legend says Zeus consider retirement until Hera had Zagreus killed which later Zeus took his remains and made a potion that he feed to another of his lovers and thus Zagreus was born again as Dionysus. So yeah it possible that was some end time theme cult that has been lost to time along with their beliefs.
A part of me really wants to see a story where someone tricks Zeus into eating his own semen, impregnating Metis again and conceiving the prophesied son, eventually leading to Zeus's downfall.
There definitely were apocalyptic tales, but it also probably varies by era and region. We're talking about tons of micro-cultures, sects, and cults over a two or three thousand year period, so of course a lot's been lost and the stories we do have were never set in stone (in the metaphorical sense).
But, for instance, there's the story of Deucalion, a sort of "Noahs ark" where a man and his wife survive a world-wide flood, and repopulate the Earth by throwing rocks/bones (the "bones" being "the bones of the mother, Gaia", meaning rocks) over their shoulders once the flood recedes, resulting in a kind of new world with Deucalion as it's first king. Massive destruction begetting a "new world" and humanity starting over in that world is pretty much exactly the kinds of themes that make an apocalypse myth, so it counts in my book.
And the child of Metis (or, earlier on, Persephone) and Zeus you're thinking of is Dionysus-Zagreus ("the first dionysus"), as told by the Orphic cults (500BC). Zagreus was thought to be the best heir for Zeus, but the Titans dismembered and ate him as a child (Heras doing, of course), though Athena saved his heart and Zeus sewed it into his uh... "thigh" is the ancient way of saying it, where Zagreus would eventually be reborn as Dionysus. It seems like at some point, it was believed that Dionysus would take over as king of the gods (at least in some sects), but as we don't have any stories about it, we don't know whether it would have been by overthrowing Zeus or just by inheriting the throne.
*Kratos intensifies*
I seem to remember that there was some very vague implications that Titans and Olympians are due to a rematch one day, but other than that there wasn't really "end times" propechy. Also regarding Ragnarök, it's most likely what we have now is not the "genuine article" so to speak. Since Norse didn't have their own written language and relied primarly on oral tradition(which in on itself mutates over each retelling) and they started writing these down when their conversion was well on way, it's exactly hard to discern what parts are influenced by christianity.
You’re the only content creator/animator I watch every day, your videos are, simply put, awesome. I hope you have a nice day!
Your depiction of Hesiod is exactly how I imagined him when we had to read him in highschool!
Cant believe I found this channel now…would be awesome to see mythology from other ethnicities and cultures like Japan or China or Aztec. Keep up great vids!
I think the infant grey hair thing reference's how elder age is like infancy.
Although I find it hilarious that zeus made a humanity who grew up over a hundred years and then die after 1. Wouldn't've it made more logical sense to give them a shorter growth period and longer prime, like till their a 100? (btw talking about hesiod's believed silver age rather than it being real)
I loved this vid so much, thanks a lot, hope you are doing good!
how tf?
@@Necrozma112 P a t r e o n
@@ItsMeVenusaur oh
There was one story I heard recently, which threw me off because despite being a fan (though by no means an expert), I've never heard of this particular tale. (edited this paragraph as I missed typing out "never.")
Basically, the story takes place in a time after Greek Mythos was absorbed into Roman culture, so everyone was known by their Roman counterparts. Due to the Roman's desire of warfare, Ares/Mars stopped being a complete joke he was in earlier versions and was vastly more sacred. There came a day which Ares/Mars rounded up his kin and challenged Zeus/Jupiter. The battle was hard fought and so brutal that Zeus/Jupiter eventually attempted to ask for peace between them. Ares/Mars *allowed* Zeus/Jupiter to remain on the throne of Olympus on the condition that no deity can directly interfere with the human realm again.
This would explain why the Gods stopped visiting Earth to have children or assist in warfare or any of the sort - only deities with jobs such as Helios or Thanatos could show up and only to carry out their tasks. This was their version of the Greek Mythology Apocalypse, because if you aren't worshipped as a God, are you really a God?
This also brings the story of Zeus being overthrown back into question. Growing up, I just heard that while the warning was "Zeus' next child" and it wound up being Athena who, as the Goddess of Wisdom, realized things were mostly at peace so never bothered to try overthrowing her father. However, the warning was actually "Zeus' first son." Zeus' first son with Hera was indeed, Ares - who'd later do what he did in the first story I mentioned.
This is why I love Greek mythos. There are so many stories and so many versions.
Well, since Roman people worship Mars way more than Júpiter, it wouldn't surprise me.
Good mith by the way. 👍
Love this.
y'all not even gonna talk about how ridiculous it is for Ares, the man who was wounded by a human -Diomedes- to solo all of Olympus and every god that wanted to keep messing around on earth? on top of that why in the flying fuck would he let Zeus stay on the throne instead of taking over? realistically this myth just reeks of Christian influence and tampering along with people trying to posthumously cap off something that didn't have a big end to it naturally like if something ends off casually and naturally then people later try to make up a massive ending for it either to look cooler or so they have something to shut people up lel
realistically wasn't strategic warfare more Rome's thing? which would make more sense to put to Athena not Ares
@@Pokemaster-wg9gx Try comparing Loki as he is in his early myths vs the bringer of Ragnarok at the end.
Also, we should consider how the gods may have been viewed from city state to city state. Athens is the city we get most of our knowledge of Greek mythology from. As Athena was their patron goddess and was seen to be in rivalry with Ares, the patron god to Sparta, it's not hard to imagine why the stories we get passed down to us treats him like a joke. As for Romans, Ares (or Mars as we was known) was supposed to be the father to their founding father (Romulus), one of their patrons, and was the consort to Aphrodite (Venus), another patron to their city.
It stands to reason the Romans would treat him with a bit more respect.
As for this supposed myth itself, I'm not going to comment one way or another on it. I think I remember reading it some years ago somewhere else, but I can't remember where and I don't remember where the guy who posted it said he found it. I will say it seems to put a nice cap on the age of mythology, with the god of war ending the interventions by the gods, preserving conflict, yet also ensuring there's order and a lack of complete destruction by allowing the king of Olympus to continue reigning.
@@Pokemaster-wg9gx Most of Greek Mythology treats Ares as a joke because Ares wasn't exactly a Greek God for starters. He was a god of warfare and agriculture in Thracia. When Athens fought Thracia and won, they assimilated this new god, changed stuff about him (as you do) and turned him into the butt of every joke possible (mythologically speaking) as a way to reinforce how the 'civilized Athenians' were superior to the 'barbarians in Thracia'. Some accounts of Ares' birth say that he was, in fact, born in Thracia.
So yeah, there is a reason why people shit on Ares all the time and make him into the butt of every single joke you can imagine: propaganda. I mean, isn't it weird that Athena's second boytoy wounded Ars, knowing especially how Athenians thought of him?
Also, fun fact: in Sparta, the people there adored more Apollo, Artemis and Athena than Ares.
I’d like to think in Greek mythos, the world just doesn’t end, we’ve seen how cyclical is with every generation of gods, with ouranos, Kronos, and then Zeus, typhon was just close to overthrowing Zeus
Just a matter of what's next?
*Gaia:* My kids keep killing and overthrowing each other what do I do
There is an end if you accept Plato's ideas. People exist to be virtuous and understand the truth, as illustrated by the Cave. People that are bad or disregard virtue continue being reincarnated until they get it, at which point no one remains.
Their psyche doesn't end up in Hades it simply returns to the Hyper-Ouranos, where concepts and ideas have always existed, our rightful place.
An empty land is all that remains behind, I'd say that's an apocalypse of a kind.
Please for the love of the gods talk about Zagreus and Dionysus and how he's gonna be in charge one day
Also the Dionysus is technically the son of Metis because of the leg thing and Zeus absorbing her,so that's cool.
Did you get that from the game “Hades”?
@@FlyingNova223 actually,no,that's based on A real myth,that they put into hades as a reference. Look up Overly sarcastic productions video for more information,but Dionysus used to be a cthonic death/rebirth god!
I do love hades though.
Yes, one day he will finaly be the King of the Gods and we can live again in an new Golden Age.
@Scissor Main Zagreus is an actual Greek deity, we just don’t know much about him.
Isn't it Athena that's technically the child of Metis? She was born from Zeus' head, because that's where Metis ended up.
The Trojan War is the end of greek mythology in my mind. In it, most heroes end up killed, the survivors them die later by the gods, with exception of people like Odysseus and Aeneas (in the Roman version). Odysseus dies in a tragedy, and the Heraclides (Dorians) take over all major greek citys, thus ending the Heroes Age, and leading to the Iron Age where greek people and kings (especially Spartans) claimed to be descended of Heracles, and in this age they are closest to the heroes, but Hesiod claims in Catalogue of Woman that Gods never more interacted with humans directly or only rarely, and decided to live up in the heavens instead of Mount Olympus, and Zeus forbidden any god of having sons with the humans, thus leading to a world without any greatness.
everything was consistent except for the last part Zeus really Zeus the guy who has like 20+ children (from what I remember) with most of them from anyone but his own wife
“so basically… Hesiod was a boomer”
I DIED
Hessiod seems to have proven that humainity never really changed, technology has advanced a lil, but humans act the same. We've just gotten better at realizing it..
Hell ancient greeks even had disney world animatronics that they called Automata
Hesiod was the original red pilled podcaster/ debater that would not shut up about how bad wahmen are
If you watch OSP's video on Hermes, it describes why the whole "Pan is dead!" rumor wasn't generally accepted, and only came about due to mistranslation.
Aeschylus's Prometheus Bound DOES have Prometheus say that Zeus's reign would not last forever, but while its sequels are not fully preserved it's most commonly interpreted that Zeus avoided this downfall by forgiving Prometheus, who warned him not to have a kid with Thetis. Still it is POSSIBLE that there was some idea that Zeus would eventually fall.
The 'children will be born with grey hair' is a prophecy of diminishing lifespans which is also mentioned when he says children will grow angry with their parents as they grow older faster than them. This is interestingly parallel with some other Indo-European myths - in particular the Vedic cosmology - where there is a cycle of degenerating ages culminating in the age of Kali, the goddess of destruction (the 'Kali Yuga' much beloved in a certain type of internet memery). In each age men are smaller and shorter-lived than the previous, with various guesses as to how bad things will get before Kalki appears and inaugurates a new golden age. Rather gloomily the Kali Yuga is supposed to have begun 5,000 years ago and we're 425,000 years away from things getting good again.
OMG thank you so much for making this video you would not believe how hard it is to get a straight answer trying to find out if Greek mythology had its own apocalypse.
I have been trying to get this question answered for years.
Heciod is the first boomer
"the dank house of chill Hades"
so according to Hesiod, Hades was a pretty cool guy
Thank you 😁👍
This is one of my questions I’ve been wondering and thank you of explaining it
I can’t wait to you dude the north guard videos and then soon later Ragnarok
I’ve actually heard a theory about pan being dead the quote “thamus, the great god Pan is dead” might have been a misunderstanding, because pan is a suffix for ‘all’
So a sailor might have heard the worshipers of tammuz saying “Tammuz the all-great is dead” and misunderstanding it
For the Pan is dead thing it’s maybe just a miss understanding because Pan also mean all in ancient greece. Osp did a video on Hermes and it go on the Pan is dead thing
I feel like Zues would inevitably be usurped by one of his many sons. Or maybe his kids for any army to overthrow him. Either way, afterwards, the cycle will probably continue.
lol I thought zeus was the one who broke the cycle by not only surpassing his father but also any other god.
@@projekttaku1 I don't think the cycle can be broken. Delayed so much that new Greek myths stop being created: yes, but stopped: no.
If I can recommend something for you to cover I would love for you to go through the epic cycle roughly from the cypria to the nostoi or the odyssey depending if you want to count Homer's works in some people choose not to
edit also possibly the telegony the story that feels like it just ruins the 'happy' ending of the odyssey. I entirely forgot about that one
fantastic video!
I think it is possible that you overlooked a detail that may be key; I mean about babies born with white hair. The virtue of men is not the only thing that declines as they advance, also their stage of youth and innocence.
In the account of the ages emphasis is made on several occasions to the duration of the life of mortals.
• Gold: comparable to that of the gods. they live in peace.
• Silver: 100 years of childhood and a short adult life.
• Bronze: They become violent. Wars arise.
• Heroes: The situation seems to improve, but it ends with the most chaotic war in Greek mythology.
• iron: it will end in total chaos, with babies being born with white hair.
Hesiod sounds like he didn't like his life, especially with the letter about the Iron Age.
still idk why he included the whole "keep growing for a 100 years and then die after like 1" generation thing.
“Does Greek mythology have an apocalypse?”
Rick Riordan: “Hold my ambrosia”
In God of War, Kratos is literally the end of all pantheons he touches 😂
he ended the greek and norse pantheons,egyptian pantheon is next
I think the whole “Born with grey hair” thing is supposed to mean or at least refer to the lifespan of the future generations. With the downward spiral and indulgence into chaos the younger generation will eventually get to a certain point where even the newborns are so hopeless that no meaning is held by humanity. Thus Zeus would kill them off like unwanted scraps on a dinner plate because what use are humans when they have drifted so far away.
Or it could also mean that death comes far sooner to the young as a type of metaphor. That’s my take on it anyway.
So what i got from this is Hesiod basically saying "Younger brother of mine, YOUR PART OF THE REASON THE WORLD'S BEEN GOING DOWN TO SH*T" thank and good whatever time of day it is for you
Ty for uploading on my b-day
Love soaking up this kind of infomation, so I can lore dump on my dates
Hey cool video, but also cool shirt! Where did you get it from?
dude have you read "a true Story" or "True History" by Lucian of Samosata? its something like the first sci fi story every written... as it was written in ancient greece. its pure satire of a dude who was annoyed by his contemporary sources telling of their fantastical voyages and presenting them as truth. maybe you wanna make a vid on it which i would love but even if you dont its well worth a read.
It should be noted that Greek mythology has so many variations because of the classes and peoples who shared the tales.
For instance, the story of Psyche and Eros is purely philosophical. Most myths taught by the farmers and philosophers were done to present meaning or, more accurately, explain why terms mean what they do. Plato is infamous for trying to find out the names of various gods and for his and Socrates's etymology of the term "daimon". Farmers (or the lower-class, which was effectively all of Greece) only shared tales that they were taught from birth, or used them as fairy tales to explain natural phenomena (for instance, Echo).
There being an "end" to Greek myth isn't logical because the philosophers understood the world as eternal. Thales of Miletus did not believe in any gods, but said that they were all from one, grand and eternal divine source. Xenophanes of Colophon joined him in that regard and posited that all myths were just stories told by people who want to see themselves in the divine, rather than the divine itself. Plato's ideas (or forms if you're more used to that term) is pretty much what most understood Greek gods as. Eternal, benevolent forces that controlled the world.
Interestingly, people point to Typhon as an "apocalypse", but a lot of them miss the point. The point of Typhon is to explain why a "Typhoon" happens, and the argument put forth by most was that Hera and Zeus had a disagreement, so the winds of Earth and Heaven (Hera cast the seed of Typhon into the Earth, Zeus reigns from the Heavens) disagree as well, causing a massive problem for everyone else. The story is given humanistic additions because it is a way to tell the reader that a husband and wife - a mother and father - fighting can and normally does drag everyone else into a messy situation.
Further, the giants are simply natural phenomena. You can tell this from how expressions are formed from them. For instance, "Front-Liner", or Egkelados, is called such because he references earthquakes, and many would say: "Ο Εγκέλαδος ξανατύπησε με ένταση!", "Egkelados intensely strikes once more!".
I think you're a little too hard on Hesiod. Remember, he is not really a native to the mainland of Greece. His father had to flee from his homeland in Turkey and sailed to Greece as a last resort. Hesiod, then, would grow up being told about how terrible things are in his father's homeland, and he would see it happening around him. Women, in the society that Hesiod grew up under, did very little. This is not Athens, a city, this is a farmland where women couldn't do a lot of work beyond birthing life, and Hesiod is already livid at his brother for not doing anything justly. He explains why women act as they do, and why they do not labour in the fields, why they don't participate while fending off soldiers, etc., by saying that they weren't born to do so, but to be a mixture of a gift and an evil. It isn't a good view in modern times to hold, but it is far from unreasonable. Ask a Northern European about the Gypsies, and you'll be heralded stories about every single evil one committed tens of years ago as an example of all suffering; ask an American about a Muslim and you'll likely be told about 9/11; ask a Greek about a Turk and you'll be told stories about how the Turks murdered the Greeks' great-grandfamily, same for the Turk to the Greek.
To summarise my post:
There isn't really an "end times" for Greek myth because the world was understood as eternal. Typhon and the giants are manifestations of mankind's problems, and are built as such. Farmers and lower class people usually shared stories as fairy tales to teach and impart these lessons, and philosophers wrote myth using terms like "soul" and "love" (the meanings of "psyche" and "eros") to present how life is. Finally, Hesiod was not a "boomer", he was a man who came from a family that lost everything, had to work to barely survive in the old world, and was angry at his brother for being a fool and understood women as life-givers with a curse because they didn't help whatsoever.
dude i just stumbled across ur channel and i cant the animation the voice over is soo premium yet u have so less subscribers u deserve more man
Never thought about that
please do an audio podcast about mythology ill listen to every single one
Greeks used to have recurring Apocalypse, just in the passing of gods generation, from Uranos to Cronos; the only reason Zeus avoided His own Apocalypse was because Prometeo advised Him (in exchange for finish the eagle eating his liver) about it; wich was why Tetis was married to a man, so her son were not greater than his father, who was going to be no other than Zeus. So that's how Zeus avoided the fatality of the gods in general, which was not to die, but to be condemned to some kind of torment in the Tartare, as did the same Zeus with the Titans in the Apocalypse that brought HIM to power.
Do you think you could ever do the story of the sword of summer Freyr sword
Bro, we'd really love it if you did a vid on the golden age
What are your terms for using your characters?
If it did have an equivalent world ending scenario, what would it be like? Don’t go for the cop out of it being just the same as the titanomachy. Let’s analyze the patterns of the others & see what would happen if applied.
Make a video about Olympus (the place) and please make a drawing of how you think it should look!
Can you do a review of the Percy Jackson and the Olympians book series?
Please do a video on Artemis or hestia
Hear me out: A tier list of how high/drunk/generally intoxicated the gods would get at a party
There's at least one obvious S Tier or F depending on how you rank
dyonysus is SS++ tier.
There is not an “End” for the Roman/Greek mythology, but Zeus/Jupiter had a prophecy ( depending on the version the Oracle is different) about one of his sons killing and dethroning him. This is not a complete end or world destruction path, but it can be considered the end of an era like what happened when Zeus dethroned his father
Actually I think I remember something I read ages mentioning that I guess theorized that the golden age humans while they all died of (for some reason) some amongst them, their souls or ghosts would continue to linger in the mortal world long after their age's end, acting as helpful, benevolent spirits or good *'daemons'* for humans in later ages, even into the iron age. (I think...it's been ages since I remember seeing such a theory)
Could be the origin of guard Angels
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Maybe? I honestly can't recall where I read that theory or passage.
@@navilluscire2567 it's just my theory
I'm asking , if you could do a video about some Mythical Creatures that we may don't know or just hear their name : like Gorgon as I see a Mythical Metal Bull with poisonous breath , Nymph , Nix , Naga , Basilisk , Sprite , Phoenix , troglodyte ..... etc.
As a J.W (Jehovahs witness) nerd when you said "dont worry whatchtower youll get it one of these day" at 2:00 cracked me up
Ik im super late but what about that one story where ares seals all the gods in Olympus?
Children born with gray hair may be a refference to the idea that humans's lifespan becomes shorter and shorter in each subsequent era. Is common in the myths of many cultures that the first generations of men lived hundreds of years
that's kinda why I don't get the silver age idea.
People grow for a hundred years and die after 1 year in their prime? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to grow into their prime for 30 years and stay like that for the rest of their live span, let's say a hundred years?
Also, kinda ironic how that's the exact opposite of what's happening now.
I heard a story (don't know how true it is), that Zues had a son with either a goddess or human, who was named Zagreus (he was either Dionysius before or after death, or a different person depending on the version). Anyways, Zues gave him his thunderbolt which showed that Zues chosed him as his heir. Hera was furious as Zagreus was another's women's child. In some way she made Zues kill Zagreus and Zues sewed Zagreus' body to his leg (don't know the significance of that). The question is, did Zues really wanted to end the tradition of patricide by willingly giving up authority to his son or did he manipulated the event as a way to stay in power and justify killing his son?? Again, I don't know if this is canon or not, but it would've been a better storyline for the God of War franchise as Kratos in Greek Mythology was a son of 2 Titans and was one of Zues' bodyguard
Zeus*
This is specifically the story in the Orphic religion I believe. Where they saw hades and zeus as living and dead versions of the same God, and likewise would be overthrown by their son who was dionysus and zagreus as living and dead versions of the same God.
Many are waiting
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Kratos:you do not know everything boy!
Theory worth noting about the pan being dead thing (aside from the oft cited mistranslation deliberately perpetuated by Christians thing) is that Pan was originally an outgrowth of the more wilderness and dangerous madness aspects of Dionysos as he was being adopted into more mainstream hellenic religion from the ancient mystery and menace of Diwonuso, and the claim that the great god Pan is dead was a lament that the wild itself had been tamed, that the untamed places where true liberty from civilisation could be sought were no more. This obviously requires the view that Pan is being held as a metaphorical aspect of a god rather than being held to be a god himself (which may be a bit of a stretch) and so the claim that he is dead is a claim that that aspect of that undying god is faded rather than the god himself having died. (Though Dionysus is definitely the “exception” that proves the rule of the Athanatoic nature of the theoi, with his whole dying brutally and yet always rising anew thing)
I come here today ask for a solution to a situation I’ve been pondering.
I have this series about the Greek Gods, and I plan to end it with a big movie where the Pantheon takes on the Abrahamic God; Yahweh. Olympus wins the day over Eden obviously. but following things happen (some of these were pre-established in the series). And it all needs to make some sort
During the fight, Zeus is (somehow) killed. Meaning that he will have to become a Chthonic Deity.
Demeter fully retires from her role as Plant Goddess after the stress and strain of her “springtime” and her age eventually prompts her to share the role with her daughter; Persephone
Out of all of the Goddesses, Zeus seems to have the healthiest relationship with Demeter. So Demeter accepts Zeus’ offer to help him rule the Underworld (as it’s known for its perpetual youth and beauty). Cerberus, Charon, the now dating Thanatos and Zagreus, and Melinöe stay in what used to be the latter two’s father’s domain. Zagreus will eventually succeed Zeus and Demeter. Oh, and this means that Hera is now single
After something that I won’t bring up ‘till and years upon years persistent asking from Artemis, Athena and Aphrodite. Zeus allows Hyacinthus to leave the Underworld and to be granted Godhood, he becomes the “God of Flowers” and ties the knot Apollo. Apollo and Hyacinthus’ love for each other is so strong that it births a whole new deity: Sappho the Demigoddess of Homosexual Love.
A few things go down (that I haven’t figured out yet) ends in Poseidon not being the King of the Ocean, Triton succeeds his father. Nerites becomes the new “Messenger of the Seas” thus establishing a firm friendship with Hermes
I have also thought of a different ending regarding Zeus, Demeter and Poseidon. Demeter still goes down to the underworld, however Poseidon is killed instead of Zeus (so ol’ Fish Guts has to fill the role Zeus originally assigned to him after the Titanomachy) so Poseidon and Demeter are new King and Queen of the Underworld. Either that other Demeter’s king is her old mortal lover; Iasion (I don’t what happens with Poseidon or Triton in that scenario) . Zeus also abdicates to just be the God of Storms. leaving…
and finally, Hades and Persephone move back to Olympus full-time to become the new King and Queen of the Gods
also, I want to do something with Helios, Selene, Athena, Hermes and Aphrodite. But I don’t know what
and since this video is about the “Greek Beginning ” myth. I thought that this would be a great place to dump my little fanfic about the “Greek Mythology ending”
How would you work it out with it still making sense to how the universe acts?
Is there one for celtic mythology equivalent to the end of the world?
What is that shirt you wear?
A great video.
I was LITERALLY just musing about this earlier today.
Not skipping to the end yet?
...sooooooo, does this mean you're going to cover the (possible?) story of Heimdall and Loki throwing hands over a bracelet while both were transformed into seals?
Bro can't wait for the series finale of Earth. FR gonna be lit.
*Blood of brothers theme plays*
jake can you make a video about the god gaia god of earth?? pleasee
Can you do a video about Artemis and Orion
I see GoW 3 as the ending to the Greek pantheon.
"Do not let a woman who decorates her buttocks deceive you,
By wily, coaxing, for she is after your granary;"
-Hesiod, proving once again that he is a boomer
Me and the girls at 3am, looking for GRANARIES
While not the end of the world, the Iliad can be seen as some kind of apocalypse, because it tells the story of the end of all heroes and with them the end of greek mythology.
Zeus: I’m never going to be overthrown. I won! I solved all the problems:
Dionysus who was born again from Zeus’ thigh, thus technically making him the son of Zeus and Metis because Metis was swallowed by Zeus, making him a technical candidate as someone who could overthrow him: *Peels down the vine wall of his vineyard* Are you sure about that?
You should do a video on the odyssey
“Ugh, kids these days“ - some old dude at any point in history probably
Please talk about the 5 Ages of Man in Greek Mythology in detail.
What I showed you is about as detailed as Hesiod gets.
good and eternal, bad and wonky ageing, chads, superheroes and "kid's these days".
Hesiod text is like the fine line between an incel manifesto and boomers rantings
The fact he drew him crying in anger makes me laugh
I like how the only thing most people know about the Greek mythology is kratos
Chiron was a God in Greek Mythology. Immortal like his half-siblings Zeus, Hades, Poseidon, Hera, etc. Except he died by renouncing his immortality to Prometheus so he, Chiron, could finally be relieved of his suffering from Hercules' poisonous arrow which accidentally shot him in the leg. Chiron was then placed in the sky as the constellation Centaurus.
“Greek gods can’t die”
Kratos: “get a load of this guy”
I'd like to assume that the greek pantheon's ragnarok was them
pissing off a spartan by tricking him into killing his wife and children, punishing
him to wear their ashes on his skin to then be called "the ghost of sparta".
eventually they would covince the spartan to slay ares when he would try threaten
zeus's reign over greece by using pandora's box as leverage, the spartan would
somehow successfully slay ares and would become the new god of war only for
the olympian gods to betray and kill him out of fear that he would seek vengeance
against olympus after are's brutal death.
then the fallen god would fight his was to the sisters of fate, traverse back in time, reclaim
his godly powers and release the titans to seige mount olympus. one by one the god of war
would murder every god he came across and eventually would reach his way to the top where
he would end zeus's life and bring about an apocalypse over greece as the olympian pantheon
was forever destroyed.
It's weird how the Greek apocalypse is at the "beginning" of the story.
i always like to think of god of war game as the greek end of the world we never have, i even think that they make a change in game lore they could actually make the greek end of the world.
Who the fuck is Kambe
Kambe or Campe was a female monster who was a guard of Tartarus and guard of the Cyclopes and Hecatoncheires, whom Uranus had imprisoned there. She was killed by Zeus when he freed the Cyclopes and Hecatoncheires, who then helped Zeus defeat Cronus. In the Theogony, Hesiod describes Campe as looking similar to the monster Typhon.
@@thecowilsoninc4175 You do realize, that Ouranos isn't really able to produce children anymore, right? Like...that was the whole point of his dismemberment.
@@thecowilsoninc4175 Okok, so Tartarus is a female goddess in your story, gets the water and the child, because...plot reasons? Why should he do this? In the orginial myths, Tartarus and Gaia had children, like the mentioned Typhon or the Giants, who started the Gigantomachy. And at both occasions, Zeus won in the end, so why trying it again with a single Titan?
Apart from that, Ouranos and Gaia hated each other, for what reason should Tartarus side with Ouranos by conciving Kambe? Your "story" doesn't make any sense in it self.
@@thecowilsoninc4175 Well, I guess on the one hand, your story writing skills are something to laugh about. And on the other hand, something to cry about.
Congratulations, you have successfully created a tragicomedy, a good first step to be an aspiring literary.
I'm waiting :)
Can you do Shinto
4:08 - The Ancient Greek version of "Nice guys always finish last".
0:50: What about Asclepius?
He wasn’t a God at first, like Heracles.
To my awareness the closes thing to Greek ragnarok would be gigantomachia which was a prophecy that gods couldn't kill the giants without the help of a mortal but it already happened and the technical mortal was heracles
Can you make a video on DEMIGODS?
Before watching; the only instance of Ragnarok I can think of would be the second titanomachy or gigantomachy
Christian Apocalypse: Titanic battle between Heaven and Hell as all the sins of humanity are tallied and judged.
Norse Apocalypse: Climatic battle between legions of gods and monsters to decide the final ownership of the world.
Greek Apocalypse: Old man rants at clouds.