Smth I want to note is that pillagers don't actually attack you. Not like other mobs. When a raid is triggered if a player is nearby illagers will fight them with the main goal of killing the villagers. If you get too close to an outpost or mansion you're probably invading so they're defending themselves. And out on patrol pillagers have a certain distance before they notice you and an even closer distance before they aggro. They try to warn you to back off by loading their crossbows and if you get closer they'll chase you down, unlike zombies and skeletons who will attack you as soon as they spot you. I don't think they're attacking you because you remind them of the ancient builders, they're much less hostile to you than they are the other living humanoids in Minecraft, Villagers. They're always provoked in some way before attacking the player but if they see a villager they'll aggro even on patrol.
But why would they attack you because you’re invading them if they know you’re a descendent from the ancient builders who they were really close friends with?
@@ToastedWaterIsYummy I think maybe because they dont know who youre even you resemble the ancient builder. Thats why the will attack you. After all we will attack them also for the loot 😜
All instances of lore in this episode: 0:14 “Attempting to remove threat” 1:01 “Attempting to remove threat” 1:45 “Threats Blocked: We blocked one or more programs from suspiciously accessing your files. No further action required.” 2:10 “Attempting to remove threat” 2:14 Glitch then message that reads “Interesting…” (Blue) “Most aren’t able to catch me infecting their systems.” (Green) “Impressive.” (Red) “Perhaps you can entertain me a little more.” (Green) “Find me…” (Blue) “before I find you.” (Red and shaking) 2:34 Duck logo with date “July 13th” on it
I love the clip from hermitcraft where Grian and Impulse distracted a warden with other sounds, but that's nothing compared to Docm77 using them to fill up the mob cap for a mining machine.
What's really interesting is that the "ominous" trial keys depict three red-eyed black skulls, representing none other than the Wither. great video as always!
It is a really great analogy that the villagers are worshipping the ancient builders who left them behind, who were worshipping the gods that left them behind.
Yeah I am curious how we the player are so much seemingly stronger than the builders makes you think about how the player even came into being really if we knew that maybe that could explain the insane amounts of knowledge for crafting and such though seems in some technology not as advanced like not being able to craft end portal frames and stuff
@@vinsh8thesecondwe are close tho! we can build end crystals and even make conduits the frames may just be something that requires a tech we cant craft maybe we are closer tho, now even automating crafts
@@vinsh8thesecondWhat if the illagers created us 🤔 in the woodland mansions there is a room with the same wool colours as steve, blue and cyan 😳 maybe we were an experiment
2:14, LORE!!!!!!!!!!??????? Also, the idea that 2 enemies working together to defeat a similar foe, and this really does tie perfectly together. I’m all for this theory video, and I love it!!!!! 😀👍
In 2019, I theorized that the illagers were once allies of the Old Builders, but they felt betrayed by them after they disappeared. I can’t believe that a Game Theory video actually puts forth my old idea. Continue doing the good work.
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July 13th it flashes up with the entity’s logo. That date must be important maybe we have to solve the arg before that date or something terrible will happen
14:12 The illagers were not idiots building portals out of wool. They were demonstrating. Designing. Experimenting. When the illagers down in the deep dark had finished the skulker portal, they had obtained new resources: skulk: a texture that is very similar to the end frame. It’s definitely an ingredient. But the illagers down there had not told the illagers up there, as they were too busy coming back to this old idea they had, coming at it with new resources available to them.
Tom is going based off of a theory they did a while back trying to get the timeline called The Lost Cult of Minecraft Illagers. They said that the illagers were trying to mimic what the ancient builders did, but didn't understand why they did it. It's like a real island during WW2 that mimicked the actions of Westerners that came in order to bring them back after they left.
Tom needs to do a video on Minecraft story mode. There’s literally a group called the ancient builders in it. One of the items they made were called the red stone heart, and most of them work on a minigames world (trial chambers could possibly a type of minigame to them)
It seems like it's a totally new arg... Or is it? **"Jake Chudnow - Moon Men" starts playing** You see when this glitch happened I immediately thought that this is some how related with shorts wars, I mean it's supposed to happen on July this year and also some theorists were also dragged into this arg. I also stumbled upon a video made by JonnyRaZeR titled "Shorts Wars Season 3 Is Coming Next Month" and It was uploaded on 13th of June 2024, the same day that this thing is happening. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
11:00 dude, you answered your own question. Clearly the breeze rods were also a resource in the past, just like blaze rods, but once the blaze and breeze were introduce to the nether and underground respectively, there weren't any left, causing the breeze and blaze to be the only way to get the rods now.
There’s direct evidence for blaze rods being around in the past, not for breeze rods. That’s why he didn’t use that explanation. The illager explanation also fit in to explain other things about the chamber, leading him to piece together that the breeze rods came from illagers. While it being around in the past was just guessing bc it was true for blaze rods, breeze rods coming from illagers fit into the larger narrative and theory.
@@NothingHere9911-blank well yeah. They were built, then introduced. Due to the lack of the resources to build them, they became the only source of those resources, they became part of the environment, in a way, despite being bound to a specific structure in each dimension.
9:07 so about that… the blaze doesn’t need a spawner to spawn. It just needs the nether fortress, kind of like how pillagers will spawn in the outposts.
I know you're right as far as the bedrock edition. I don't play a lot of Java, but I think it might be different in that version. I think in Java you genuinely do need to find a spawner to find a blaze.
@@riseandshine70 he does clarify that in the mob beastiary that the blaze only spawn from spawners, I would imagine them spawning naturally is just so the fortress feels more guarded and canonically they do only spawn from spawners
They still only occur in the fortress. Spawning "naturally" is likely implemented simply for gameplay reasons to prevent a soft lock since blazes are essential for game progression.
If the ancient builders were able to make spawners, then what about the Silverfish spawners that we find at the End Portals? Did they make them to deter the pillagers from following? Or could the Silverfish be set there for another purpose? Were they meant to eat the Eyes of Ender, and cut off anyone, including the wither, Warden and anything else from following them? They can burrow and hide is blocks, so what do you think their purpose was?
7:20 ish This actially makes a lot of sense. You have the bogged there to prepare them for the effects of wither (status effect), the breeze to get them ready for the knockback, the zombies to prepare them for fighting the wither skeletons hand to hand, and the vaults to reward them.
Not going to lie. A full Minecraft timeline would be epic. Just bringing all the Minecraft theory videos together in a single watch would be amazing. Would definitely be a top 10 for me. EDIT: I realized after I commented that there already is one, but I think an updated one would be cool to
Something to consider. Mabye the trial chambers where ment to train Illigers. Givin that the sound effect for the start of a taid is a war horn similar to the one you hear in the ancient city music disk, they are the ones who use axes and crossbows, and the "guard towers" in the ancient cities share a design language with pilliger outposts and woodland mansions. That seams to suggest that the ancient builders fell back on using whatever mobs they could to fight the wither just like how they used them to fight the piglins.
I think the illagers were more in a form of servitude and were more like assistants, the windcsllers and rockers were most likely students of the ancient builders
Here's another thing - the pottery sherd is named scrape because THE PLAYER thought that the AXE is related to scraping and waxing copper stuff when he saw chambers design; when he discovered one ! but actually the AXE was carved on, to tribute illagers, by ancient builders !
something ppl don’t think about r the naming of mobs. if an ancient civilization existed, whatever they named their man made mobs didn’t survive. the “warden” “shulker” and other mythical mobs are creatures with names given by steve/the player character. the warden could’ve originally been called like sound activated golem or something. blazes could’ve been a fire charge but its alive so its infinite fire.
My current assumption is that the reason the ancient builders had to leave the surface is the zombie infection, since there isn't a wither running around when we started, (and they'd likely would have the armor and tools to take it down anyway) the infection is air born (aka piglin can be infected intantly one in the overworld), zombies are modled after steve, the average player, and that the new skelliton mob seems like a zombie half way to becoming a skelliton. Presumably there was a wither, it was defeated, then once the infection started. Many ran underground, since there were surviving underground builds from when the wither was a problem, (and the Nether, where the infection created zombie hoglin and the end where the builders became endearment) Edit: further to this theory: the ancient city doesn't have clear holes to the surface, or any kinda obvious route built in, they can spawn completely unconnected by caves, I belive that the warden k1lled the majority of the ancient builders and the zombie virus did the rest, the illagers weren't there (as they are immune) so the group making the ancient city's aren't the same as the group dealing with the wither, the trial chambers were made to test soldiers to fight the wither and once it was dead the zombies and skeletons were fused with the spawners creating the new poison skelliton mob, we also know that the group that went to the Nether brought it with them since zombie piglin exist in the Nether Edit: Thanks for all your input! My issue with warden kills the wither would have had to tunnel bore to the warden, we see no such tunnels, and while there is only one dragon there is implicitly multiple wardens, (Cause multiple city's) not to mention the wither, a mindless monster, wouldn't really have a good reason to go after the warden, or the builders since there was multiple settlements of humans still on the surface to go after. My guess is that we, the players, are similar to the illagers, while villagers and builders weren't immune and the builders forced into the nether and end, the player(s) and illagers were immune, Maybe we were even experimented on by them or what's left of the players, so now we are the only ones, that's why the illagers are against the player character(s), they want to reverse what happened, but without the understanding that the builders had and the access to many test subjects, now they are after the player(s) as their final chance? (I mean totems, the mickymousing of monuments, wool statues, captured spirits) I think skeletons are a form of the zombie Curse since they're classed as undead, but older but I'd love some other theories to what they are!
I think you are on to something. Especially since even now mobs are a "problem" to deal with. And, wither roses and the withering effect can be noted as decay, meaning the wither could have started the infection.
the wither was killed off by the warden and the illigers accedentally made zombies trying to recreate the builders, known because they have wool resembeling the zombies and by extention steves/the builders clothing in their mansions they made zombies with help of the power over life and death, this seen by the totems of undying letting you cheat death
Cover Minecraft: Dungeons! The Wither didn't make the sound in Disk 5, it was an Endersent! Cover Minecraft Dungeons: The Rise of the Arch-Illager too, it's cannon! It has lore!
One idea I had was that the end portal used to be a two way portal. The reasoning for this is from a pervious theory saying that phantoms are pillagers recreation of the dragon also it allows players to go to the end then return with their valuables like ender pearls. Love the story you guys have uncovered about Minecraft and the videos that come along with it. :D
that phantom theory to me seems a bit far fetched at the moment and not concrete enough. it to me is one of those theories in which kinda just tries to glue things together by force to make some sense out of it. the end portal being a two way system tho, is already factual evidence. you can return from the end to the overworld again it just doesnt spit you back out of the portal which is likely just a gameplay element and not a story based element. story wise, the end portal could very well work this way however that part isnt concrete evidence to say for sure that it is. but the fact of it being a two way is factual. the nether portal is factual as well, maybe even the deep dark portal which they pretend isnt a portal, is possibly a two way but from what we can gather, is probally a 1 way so far. you can go in from either side but cant come back out. no evidence explains that the ancient builders returned from that deep dark portal since they likely activated and then escaped the wither or the wither managed to follow them in so for now its just a 1 way system.
For those who are wondering: the sound on the ARG thing is just a repeating sequence of "23456" using the alphabet from the Theorist Gateway ARG project a while back. It does require a 16,000+ hz range to see that though.
In regards to the nether having no enchantments, Bastions have enchanted books mainly that of the soul speed, its possible the Piglins looted the enchanted books from the fortresses and stored in the bastions they call home.
@@Toasty146 I forget those are found in the nether. It feels really odd finding nether portals in the nether, but it makes sense. Enchanted Golden items as well in that loot table.
in the early days of minecraft, the nether did once actually have enchanted items within the chests of the nether fortress but likely was changed when they finally decided to fix the progressive system to obtain certain items from specific structures as well as going ahead with actually making a hidden story in minecraft in which they eventually removed them for those reasons. all i can remember them once having as enchanted items in those chests were notch apples along with enchanted gear. loot table is far different now tho.
i wouldnt think so. im not entirely sure on this but i think that piglins are aggressive to blazes meaning that i cant see them being able to steal loot from those chests. if this isnt the case though, it could make some sense here. ik that piglins are hostile to the player and also certain mobs in the nether and maybe even the overworld so its not out of the question with either outcomes.
@@unboxing_legend7708 The Piglin/Builder war could be very old. The Piglins likely looted the fortresses which then lead the Builders to construct the Blazes to defend from being raided constantly.
15:33 Its literally called "scrape" (as in, you use axes to scrape copper). Its CLEARLY an axe and I've never seen _anyone_ mistake it for a mace before.
I agree. Anyone who plays Minecraft would know what a "Scrape" sherd means, both by name and shape. I can't fathom how anyone would make that mistake, though I suppose he's elaborating for the non-minecraft players who might be watching the videos the way I watch the "That's Not My Neighbor", "Bendy", or "Shipwrecked 64" content. Wax-on / Wax-off, folks. And remember, Copper Grates make amazing windows.
You should definetely revisit the zombie virus theory on minecraft, as now, we literally see zombies getting along with normal mobs in minecraft legends which I think is very weird. Also, what are normal skeletons then?
10:50 the answer is wind charges I think. Instead of blazes being created by blaze rods, they are created by fire charges and its the same for the breeze.
i love how minecraft went from a silly block game to an actual game filled with lore that most players come across but dont pay attention to, like the pottery shards
Creakeing lore coming next! But I think we already know most of the lore, something like builders polluted the forest, so it turned white, and the creaking is nature taking revenge or something like that.
7:25 that makes sense since the trial spawners keep identities of separate players, like if you are done with your trial someone can still come and fight, and the more players there are the harder the challenge AND you get armour and weapons as reward if you succeed meaning you become part of the army!
This ain't a theory. it's so well put together, and everything fits that at this point, I believe it's a fact, and that the beauty of game theory, its almost always perfect
8:37 I bet it is called scrape because that is what the player sees its purpose as, not a weapon, but a deoxidizing tool. I mean, why would we see it as an illager weapon anyway? Because we would not expect that.
I personally don’t think that the illagers were happily helping the ancient builders. The ancient builders kidnapped and utilised villagers so them doing the same with the Illagers is quite possible I think. Illagers are violent and heartless beings who attack anyone they can in Minecraft legends villagers were forced to fight against the piglins and help the ancient builders defeat the piglins doing so corrupted their minds with the ideologies of war Villagers are pacifists so nowadays that pacifist lifestyle has become stronger tenfold as a result of seeing what the villagers who chose violence became.
@@danger0977 I personally dont think the zombies were created as they too spawn naturally unlike the breeze they were peaceful beforehand the only reason why they attack the player is because of all the violence confusing their rotten minds piglins and humans are similar-looking and especially considering Pigs share 50% dna with humans IRL
9:10 uh..... blazes *do* spawn naturally in nether fortresses.... in areas *without* spawners.... so as far as i can tell, they do naturally exist and spawners only create more of them rather than being what originally made them in the first place.
I thought the Scrape Sherd was part of the fact the building is made of Copper, as Axes can "scrape" oxidization off of Copper blocks (which is how you are intended to brighten the Copper Bulbs
12:54 i dont really think the illagers have helped the ancient builders with making the ancient cities as the dark oak structures themselves look like they were built on top of whatever remained of the cities The illagers were most likely looting whatever remained of these gigantic cities and had made small scale restorations to help with said navigation aswell as literaly making small camps and mini outposts(possibly trying to take over these cities but eventualy they abandoned these camps and outposts as the warden proved to be too dangerous)
Apart from that, I think the pillagers were in ancient cities mainly for the warden. They wanted a weapon to help them fight in the period of minecraft dungeons. And that is what I think what disc 5 is, a recorded warden-summoning ceremony that clearly didn't go well. The first part of the disc would be the illagers marching through the city, then there's a cut, here they stopped recording because the warden killed everyone, and the last part would be the last pillager trying to escape with the recording and recorder. Eventually, the warden caught him and broke the disk as he killed him, causing distorsions.
I would like to see the ARG part of the video in a spectrogram. I tried but I have no clue how to do it. If you see this and have done it, please tell!
Two problems based from the complete lore of minecraft and this video: 1. Didn't some ancient builders return from the end because the bedrock portal was supposedly unlocked (and the rest of the builders became enderman)? Why did most of the ancient builders stay in the end if food was running out? They hopped across two dimensions already, why couldn't they do the same for returning to the overworld? (If you are saying they were unsure of whether the portal led them back to the overworld, the went to the nether and the end unsure of the results, its not like they are afraid of dimension hopping again) Also the reason why we the player probably exist in the first place, because of the builders who returned. 2. If all the ancient builders went through the end portal into the end, why didn't the pillagers follow them too? If they supposely waited for the builders to return, and probably returned to the overworld, why didn't the builders do the same? The wither was already defeated anyways, and the warden is just trapped down in the caves. We the players nowadays can survive the warden, why couldn't the ancient builders mine to the surface but the pillagers managed to (assuming the pillagers did that cos no way the pillagers are staying underground with the warden) I know the lore is just a theory, but these are just some things I noticed while watching both videos, hopefully someone can answer them
@@donkeykong3119theres a theory that the giant skeletons in the soul sand valley were the ancient withers, much bigger and more powerful than our current wither. Also the ancient builders had no idea how to fight the wither and they had worse gear than the player
@@donkeykong3119 i would highly disagree on this specific video imo. theres alot here that makes a ton of sense and even way before this video came out, me and quite a few others within the community came to the same sort of conclusion to this specific part of the story being told, before the update came out and only hints were being dropped via new blocks and items and changes to how some gameplay elements now function. that isnt to say i and others are right however, would fully except if im wrong here however theres alot of very strong evidence that points to alot of this being correct enough to the story being told. you work alongside illigers and villigers in minceraft legends as a ancient builder or the mention of them exsisting still while you are playing minecraft legends and its not crazy to assume this story element was carried over from the game which was meant to piece together and make many hints to the story being told for minecraft, included in the main game. one of minecrafts legends main intentions was to create that massove story and build on it as well as explain the missing pieces to the story however the game flopped so its now being done via updates which is a genius idea imo.
Smth I want to note is that pillagers don't actually attack you. Not like other mobs. When a raid is triggered if a player is nearby illagers will fight them with the main goal of killing the villagers. If you get too close to an outpost or mansion you're probably invading so they're defending themselves. And out on patrol pillagers have a certain distance before they notice you and an even closer distance before they aggro. They try to warn you to back off by loading their crossbows and if you get closer they'll chase you down, unlike zombies and skeletons who will attack you as soon as they spot you.
I don't think they're attacking you because you remind them of the ancient builders, they're much less hostile to you than they are the other living humanoids in Minecraft, Villagers. They're always provoked in some way before attacking the player but if they see a villager they'll aggro even on patrol.
get this to the to so they see this
I didn’t even know they warn you
Bro that's why they stare at me into the abyss and not attack 😂
But why would they attack you because you’re invading them if they know you’re a descendent from the ancient builders who they were really close friends with?
@@ToastedWaterIsYummy I think maybe because they dont know who youre even you resemble the ancient builder. Thats why the will attack you. After all we will attack them also for the loot 😜
All instances of lore in this episode:
0:14 “Attempting to remove threat”
1:01 “Attempting to remove threat”
1:45 “Threats Blocked: We blocked one or more programs from suspiciously accessing your files. No further action required.”
2:10 “Attempting to remove threat”
2:14 Glitch then message that reads “Interesting…” (Blue) “Most aren’t able to catch me infecting their systems.” (Green) “Impressive.” (Red) “Perhaps you can entertain me a little more.” (Green) “Find me…” (Blue) “before I find you.” (Red and shaking)
2:34 Duck logo with date “July 13th” on it
Why do I think this is dude stop?
I bet it's the glitch saying "Threat blocked"
Because of "No further action required"
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Omogos
Is this Shorts Wars On game theory? They solve ARGs not make them!
I love the clip from hermitcraft where Grian and Impulse distracted a warden with other sounds, but that's nothing compared to Docm77 using them to fill up the mob cap for a mining machine.
Or decked out 2, or when they killed one with fishing rods in double life
They are menaces
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the wardens on the tunnel bore was so unnecessary, too - cub built the same tunnel bore without the wardens and did fine
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What's really interesting is that the "ominous" trial keys depict three red-eyed black skulls, representing none other than the Wither. great video as always!
I hadn't thought about that, that makes a lot of sense
Axe is vindicator
Crossbow is pillagers
But the bow, the bow is the illusioner
Nice
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so if it is is the pillager an ally with the ancient builder? and the pillagers are the army of the ancient builder?
0:14 you scared me with that notification
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5:50 they don’t pose much of a threat huh? I guess you could say fighting them is a…….. breeze?
that’s a knee slapper
And the audience grows quiet
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Well done
I'm absolutely blown away.
It is a really great analogy that the villagers are worshipping the ancient builders who left them behind, who were worshipping the gods that left them behind.
*illagers
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Ancient buiders : **can't stop the wither so they go to hiding which leads to their death .**
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Yeah I am curious how we the player are so much seemingly stronger than the builders makes you think about how the player even came into being really if we knew that maybe that could explain the insane amounts of knowledge for crafting and such though seems in some technology not as advanced like not being able to craft end portal frames and stuff
@@vinsh8thesecondwe are close tho! we can build end crystals and even make conduits the frames may just be something that requires a tech we cant craft maybe we are closer tho, now even automating crafts
that or the wither we summoned was way weaker than the original one
i mean those ribcages in the nether gotta come from SOMEWHERE
@@vinsh8thesecondWhat if the illagers created us 🤔 in the woodland mansions there is a room with the same wool colours as steve, blue and cyan 😳 maybe we were an experiment
@@raileynashpallada9559 you have a point .But these could be sniffer ribcages .I can't explain it but you could watch another game theory video .
2:14, LORE!!!!!!!!!!???????
Also, the idea that 2 enemies working together to defeat a similar foe, and this really does tie perfectly together. I’m all for this theory video, and I love it!!!!! 😀👍
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why is there lore in a lore vid
In 2019, I theorized that the illagers were once allies of the Old Builders, but they felt betrayed by them after they disappeared. I can’t believe that a Game Theory video actually puts forth my old idea. Continue doing the good work.
Tom exploring Minecraft lore: 😄👍
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This could be good 😅
@@Treefsworld wanna work together to solve it?
I wonder if it has anything to do with short wars! It has the same dates.
True either way can't wait
yay new ARG
4:26 i love how tom brushes by the obsessive amounts of horse armor
Clearly the ancient builders were big fans of patriarchy.
@@joshuasgameplays9850No. They just used horses a lot. As we see it in Legends.
@@joshuasgameplays9850 what.
@@joshuasgameplays9850is this a Barbie joke
ya, there is diamond horse armor
And the ARG in the video; perfection
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July 13th it flashes up with the entity’s logo. That date must be important maybe we have to solve the arg before that date or something terrible will happen
14:12 The illagers were not idiots building portals out of wool. They were demonstrating. Designing. Experimenting. When the illagers down in the deep dark had finished the skulker portal, they had obtained new resources: skulk: a texture that is very similar to the end frame. It’s definitely an ingredient. But the illagers down there had not told the illagers up there, as they were too busy coming back to this old idea they had, coming at it with new resources available to them.
Tom is going based off of a theory they did a while back trying to get the timeline called The Lost Cult of Minecraft Illagers. They said that the illagers were trying to mimic what the ancient builders did, but didn't understand why they did it. It's like a real island during WW2 that mimicked the actions of Westerners that came in order to bring them back after they left.
It’s the ARG Matpat was talking about! On July 13th it showed up at about 2:30 ish
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I’m pretty sure it said the 13th
Cool
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Also THROW THAT SOUND INTO A SPECTROGRAM CAUSE I HEAR TEXT
Tom needs to do a video on Minecraft story mode. There’s literally a group called the ancient builders in it. One of the items they made were called the red stone heart, and most of them work on a minigames world (trial chambers could possibly a type of minigame to them)
This ^
this is the best suggestion ive heard in a LONG while
Except it's not canon sadly
@@Xaim023 wait it's not? Suppose that makes sense.
It isn’t canon. It was developed before there was any official lore at all
we CANNOT ignore the fact that game theory has lore now
tbh I can easily ignore that
True
It seems like it's a totally new arg... Or is it? **"Jake Chudnow - Moon Men" starts playing** You see when this glitch happened I immediately thought that this is some how related with shorts wars, I mean it's supposed to happen on July this year and also some theorists were also dragged into this arg. I also stumbled upon a video made by JonnyRaZeR titled "Shorts Wars Season 3 Is Coming Next Month" and It was uploaded on 13th of June 2024, the same day that this thing is happening. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
@@LORdREDSTOneNR1they just what attention, so don't reply and they will go back to their fatherless homes
@Blue-qr4fiI'm confused
11:00 dude, you answered your own question. Clearly the breeze rods were also a resource in the past, just like blaze rods, but once the blaze and breeze were introduce to the nether and underground respectively, there weren't any left, causing the breeze and blaze to be the only way to get the rods now.
yea but he went on to explain that they got the blaze rods from the piglins, and the breeze rods from the illagers
Thank you, I was saying that same thing.
There’s direct evidence for blaze rods being around in the past, not for breeze rods. That’s why he didn’t use that explanation. The illager explanation also fit in to explain other things about the chamber, leading him to piece together that the breeze rods came from illagers. While it being around in the past was just guessing bc it was true for blaze rods, breeze rods coming from illagers fit into the larger narrative and theory.
huh? what do you introduced to the nether and overworld? I thought they were just built there
@@NothingHere9911-blank well yeah. They were built, then introduced. Due to the lack of the resources to build them, they became the only source of those resources, they became part of the environment, in a way, despite being bound to a specific structure in each dimension.
2:35
so THAT'S why Mat was being all sus about the rubber ducks in Clap Clap.. hmm.
I saw that to
How’d I miss that
"Find me... Before I find you"
Weird right?
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Prob Matpat ARG
maybe an arg
9:07 so about that… the blaze doesn’t need a spawner to spawn. It just needs the nether fortress, kind of like how pillagers will spawn in the outposts.
I know you're right as far as the bedrock edition. I don't play a lot of Java, but I think it might be different in that version. I think in Java you genuinely do need to find a spawner to find a blaze.
@@abbierose2278In Java blaze spawns naturally in nether fortresses.
@@riseandshine70 he does clarify that in the mob beastiary that the blaze only spawn from spawners, I would imagine them spawning naturally is just so the fortress feels more guarded and canonically they do only spawn from spawners
They still only occur in the fortress. Spawning "naturally" is likely implemented simply for gameplay reasons to prevent a soft lock since blazes are essential for game progression.
Maybe it's because the fortress is just infused with the spawners magic?
If the ancient builders were able to make spawners, then what about the Silverfish spawners that we find at the End Portals? Did they make them to deter the pillagers from following? Or could the Silverfish be set there for another purpose? Were they meant to eat the Eyes of Ender, and cut off anyone, including the wither, Warden and anything else from following them? They can burrow and hide is blocks, so what do you think their purpose was?
7:20 ish
This actially makes a lot of sense. You have the bogged there to prepare them for the effects of wither (status effect), the breeze to get them ready for the knockback, the zombies to prepare them for fighting the wither skeletons hand to hand, and the vaults to reward them.
Not going to lie. A full Minecraft timeline would be epic. Just bringing all the Minecraft theory videos together in a single watch would be amazing. Would definitely be a top 10 for me.
EDIT: I realized after I commented that there already is one, but I think an updated one would be cool to
That was one of Matpat’s last videos on this channel a few months ago. They went through the whole lore top to bottom.
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@Blue-qr4fiwhy?
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huh?
i never saw anything like that when i was watching the video
The blue, red and green text, the duck logo, and the 'attempting to remove threat' messages
@@SamSam0YT its for lore fi (a arg)
@@Max.caulfield1 i know but thanks anyway
Something to consider. Mabye the trial chambers where ment to train Illigers. Givin that the sound effect for the start of a taid is a war horn similar to the one you hear in the ancient city music disk, they are the ones who use axes and crossbows, and the "guard towers" in the ancient cities share a design language with pilliger outposts and woodland mansions. That seams to suggest that the ancient builders fell back on using whatever mobs they could to fight the wither just like how they used them to fight the piglins.
I think the illagers were more in a form of servitude and were more like assistants, the windcsllers and rockers were most likely students of the ancient builders
Here's another thing - the pottery sherd is named scrape because THE PLAYER thought that the AXE is related to scraping and waxing copper stuff when he saw chambers design; when he discovered one !
but actually the AXE was carved on, to tribute illagers, by ancient builders !
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Ooh! Yes, that's really smart!
Maybe the real Minecraft mobs were the friends we made along the way
This is the perfect explanation to anything
one piece the one piece ahh theory
And then abandoned to die, apparently.
Some give this man the game awards
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1:28
Tom: you know when you hear: “Underground and structure.”
My brain: UNDERTALE
@Blue-qr4fiI smell a bot
@@luiznicholasrichen2415he actually has that vid
@@luiznicholasrichen2415just ignore them and don't reply to their comment so they will go back to their fatherless home
Ye
Playing delta Rine while watching
something ppl don’t think about r the naming of mobs. if an ancient civilization existed, whatever they named their man made mobs didn’t survive. the “warden” “shulker” and other mythical mobs are creatures with names given by steve/the player character. the warden could’ve originally been called like sound activated golem or something. blazes could’ve been a fire charge but its alive so its infinite fire.
another example: the sniffer is only called that cuz he sniffs, it’s probably like a turtlebear or some actual animal name
“Attempting to remove threat”
I thought that was real 😂😂😂
lol
Same
Same
Yeah, same here. I legitimately thought some sneaky "antivirus" had wormed it's way onto my pc for a second XD
same
My current assumption is that the reason the ancient builders had to leave the surface is the zombie infection, since there isn't a wither running around when we started, (and they'd likely would have the armor and tools to take it down anyway) the infection is air born (aka piglin can be infected intantly one in the overworld), zombies are modled after steve, the average player, and that the new skelliton mob seems like a zombie half way to becoming a skelliton.
Presumably there was a wither, it was defeated, then once the infection started. Many ran underground, since there were surviving underground builds from when the wither was a problem, (and the Nether, where the infection created zombie hoglin and the end where the builders became endearment)
Edit: further to this theory: the ancient city doesn't have clear holes to the surface, or any kinda obvious route built in, they can spawn completely unconnected by caves, I belive that the warden k1lled the majority of the ancient builders and the zombie virus did the rest, the illagers weren't there (as they are immune) so the group making the ancient city's aren't the same as the group dealing with the wither, the trial chambers were made to test soldiers to fight the wither and once it was dead the zombies and skeletons were fused with the spawners creating the new poison skelliton mob, we also know that the group that went to the Nether brought it with them since zombie piglin exist in the Nether
Edit: Thanks for all your input! My issue with warden kills the wither would have had to tunnel bore to the warden, we see no such tunnels, and while there is only one dragon there is implicitly multiple wardens, (Cause multiple city's) not to mention the wither, a mindless monster, wouldn't really have a good reason to go after the warden, or the builders since there was multiple settlements of humans still on the surface to go after.
My guess is that we, the players, are similar to the illagers, while villagers and builders weren't immune and the builders forced into the nether and end, the player(s) and illagers were immune,
Maybe we were even experimented on by them or what's left of the players, so now we are the only ones, that's why the illagers are against the player character(s), they want to reverse what happened, but without the understanding that the builders had and the access to many test subjects, now they are after the player(s) as their final chance? (I mean totems, the mickymousing of monuments, wool statues, captured spirits)
I think skeletons are a form of the zombie Curse since they're classed as undead, but older but I'd love some other theories to what they are!
He does say that the Warden killed the wither
He did say the warden killed the wither. Maybe the wither started the zombies
I think you are on to something. Especially since even now mobs are a "problem" to deal with. And, wither roses and the withering effect can be noted as decay, meaning the wither could have started the infection.
the wither was killed off by the warden and the illigers accedentally made zombies trying to recreate the builders, known because they have wool resembeling the zombies and by extention steves/the builders clothing in their mansions
they made zombies with help of the power over life and death, this seen by the totems of undying letting you cheat death
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I wasn't expecting a Game Theorists ARG... This is gonna be interesting indeed
Cover Minecraft: Dungeons! The Wither didn't make the sound in Disk 5, it was an Endersent! Cover Minecraft Dungeons: The Rise of the Arch-Illager too, it's cannon! It has lore!
One idea I had was that the end portal used to be a two way portal. The reasoning for this is from a pervious theory saying that phantoms are pillagers recreation of the dragon also it allows players to go to the end then return with their valuables like ender pearls. Love the story you guys have uncovered about Minecraft and the videos that come along with it. :D
that phantom theory to me seems a bit far fetched at the moment and not concrete enough. it to me is one of those theories in which kinda just tries to glue things together by force to make some sense out of it.
the end portal being a two way system tho, is already factual evidence. you can return from the end to the overworld again it just doesnt spit you back out of the portal which is likely just a gameplay element and not a story based element. story wise, the end portal could very well work this way however that part isnt concrete evidence to say for sure that it is. but the fact of it being a two way is factual. the nether portal is factual as well, maybe even the deep dark portal which they pretend isnt a portal, is possibly a two way but from what we can gather, is probally a 1 way so far. you can go in from either side but cant come back out. no evidence explains that the ancient builders returned from that deep dark portal since they likely activated and then escaped the wither or the wither managed to follow them in so for now its just a 1 way system.
0:52 HERMITS SPOTTED!!
I rewatched this moment in the seed of light😂
laughing over a dog being put down should be a punishable crime
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The red says, "Impressive"" and "Find me before I find you" 2:16
Well done captain obvious
Thanks!
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2:55 Copper isn't that common at the same levels as tuff and trial chambers. It is common between 47-48 but the chamber and tuff only generate below 0
The fact that a channel that often covers ARGs has an ARG of its own now is pretty cool to me.
For those who are wondering: the sound on the ARG thing is just a repeating sequence of "23456" using the alphabet from the Theorist Gateway ARG project a while back.
It does require a 16,000+ hz range to see that though.
Hey I wasn’t in an older arg can I have some help w the language
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@@Goobert77 Not much I can do about it, but thanks for letting me know.
In regards to the nether having no enchantments, Bastions have enchanted books mainly that of the soul speed, its possible the Piglins looted the enchanted books from the fortresses and stored in the bastions they call home.
Ruined nether portals also have enchanted items
@@Toasty146 I forget those are found in the nether. It feels really odd finding nether portals in the nether, but it makes sense. Enchanted Golden items as well in that loot table.
in the early days of minecraft, the nether did once actually have enchanted items within the chests of the nether fortress but likely was changed when they finally decided to fix the progressive system to obtain certain items from specific structures as well as going ahead with actually making a hidden story in minecraft in which they eventually removed them for those reasons. all i can remember them once having as enchanted items in those chests were notch apples along with enchanted gear. loot table is far different now tho.
i wouldnt think so. im not entirely sure on this but i think that piglins are aggressive to blazes meaning that i cant see them being able to steal loot from those chests. if this isnt the case though, it could make some sense here. ik that piglins are hostile to the player and also certain mobs in the nether and maybe even the overworld so its not out of the question with either outcomes.
@@unboxing_legend7708 The Piglin/Builder war could be very old. The Piglins likely looted the fortresses which then lead the Builders to construct the Blazes to defend from being raided constantly.
5:28 are we not gonna talk about how these 2 structures Are the best ways to get god apples (enchanted golden apples)
15:33 Its literally called "scrape" (as in, you use axes to scrape copper). Its CLEARLY an axe and I've never seen _anyone_ mistake it for a mace before.
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I agree. Anyone who plays Minecraft would know what a "Scrape" sherd means, both by name and shape. I can't fathom how anyone would make that mistake, though I suppose he's elaborating for the non-minecraft players who might be watching the videos the way I watch the "That's Not My Neighbor", "Bendy", or "Shipwrecked 64" content.
Wax-on / Wax-off, folks. And remember, Copper Grates make amazing windows.
Another ARG guys you know what to do
Welp looks like the game theory ARG is back
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WAIT, SO YOUR SAYING THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE???
You should definetely revisit the zombie virus theory on minecraft, as now, we literally see zombies getting along with normal mobs in minecraft legends which I think is very weird. Also, what are normal skeletons then?
Normal skeletons: resurrected corpses
And in legends it's likely the virus hadent existed yet
While i do agree with the other comparisons between the blaze and the breezer, using "Cube head" as comparison for minecraft mobs is wild.
I didn't even think of that but so true lol
I allways tought about the trial chambers as barracks that used the mobs to train new ancient builders to learn to fight
2:19 Theorist LOREeEEeEe
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@@ClownAUTTP-nm3pmgood job
10:50 the answer is wind charges I think. Instead of blazes being created by blaze rods, they are created by fire charges and its the same for the breeze.
02:28 LOOOOOOOREEEE
A theory on game theory
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Finally someone mentions it (ignore the bots)
We are getting lore lore lol
game theory covering a theory and in that theory there's a theory
14:30 I KNEW I WASNT INSANE! I had said for ages the new trial chamber stuff reminded me heavily of the mountain DLC for dungeons
I love the Minecraft lore you guys are slowly uncovering/building, it genuinely adds a whole new layer of interest to Minecraft!
8:57 Omg! I started a comment thread about 3 years ago theorising this same thing that Tom is saying!
i love how minecraft went from a silly block game to an actual game filled with lore that most players come across but dont pay attention to, like the pottery shards
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Now 100% more British lol 0:25
Why did no one notice that?
Pffff
Bro scared me with that "Attempting to remove threat" I thought I got hacked or something
i was in fullscreen and i thought that the "attempting to remove a threat" popup was from my laptop and it scared me lol
This was the one thing I was thinking of when 1.21 came out
Don’t translate...😠
भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु….. .
金中に 0:44
Bro I feel so bad for your comment😭😭😭
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Sorry dude your comment is done for
I'm sorry but that sound used during the ARG thing at the beginning of the video is INCREDIBLY painful...
16:36
Ancient builders: with this sacred sculk sensor I summon-
Creakeing lore coming next! But I think we already know most of the lore, something like builders polluted the forest, so it turned white, and the creaking is nature taking revenge or something like that.
when ARG debunking turns into an ARG🤣
Even though we all still miss mat Pat, Tom Is actually pretty good and we will always give him thensame love we did as mat Pat 😢❤❤❤❤😊
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He is on GT Live....
It's like when Steve left Blues Clues all over again 😢
I was so confused with the weird virus stuff, and then I realized we have an ARG on our hands.
7:25 that makes sense since the trial spawners keep identities of separate players, like if you are done with your trial someone can still come and fight, and the more players there are the harder the challenge AND you get armour and weapons as reward if you succeed meaning you become part of the army!
1:46 threats blocked?
2:30
@@BuiltSimilarG ok
Thats lore-fi
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This ain't a theory. it's so well put together, and everything fits that at this point, I believe it's a fact, and that the beauty of game theory, its almost always perfect
I haven’t watch the video since I have cringephobia. But looking at the other comments, he called an axe a mace.
Lingering potions require dragons’ breath to make and are only found in the end
Grian, lock picking lawyer AND game theory??? This is the best video ever
Since Game theory has lore, we need to have a film theory on it
13:56 I'm pretty sure you can craft crossbows with sticks, string, and tripwire hooks too
The phrasing was weird but he wasn’t saying you can’t make them he was saying they only spawn in illager chests
@@ShadowSentry211 oh ok
Ooooh! My theory senses are tingling.. i sense an ARG!
5:21 One small catch: the loot chests next to Ruined Portals can contain enchanted golden armor/tools
8:37 I bet it is called scrape because that is what the player sees its purpose as, not a weapon, but a deoxidizing tool. I mean, why would we see it as an illager weapon anyway? Because we would not expect that.
I personally don’t think that the illagers were happily helping the ancient builders. The ancient builders kidnapped and utilised villagers so them doing the same with the Illagers is quite possible I think. Illagers are violent and heartless beings who attack anyone they can in Minecraft legends villagers were forced to fight against the piglins and help the ancient builders defeat the piglins doing so corrupted their minds with the ideologies of war Villagers are pacifists so nowadays that pacifist lifestyle has become stronger tenfold as a result of seeing what the villagers who chose violence became.
Agreed. Does it not also seem weird that they created the zombies.
@@danger0977 I personally dont think the zombies were created as they too spawn naturally unlike the breeze they were peaceful beforehand the only reason why they attack the player is because of all the violence confusing their rotten minds piglins and humans are similar-looking and especially considering Pigs share 50% dna with humans IRL
We as players do that there’s no evidence that the ancient builders also did that.
@@jannettenieves4448 I think it’s quite easy to assume they would’ve done the same
I think it's more likely that after the fall of the arch, Illager as parts of the peace Treaty between the builders they were allies
2:35 who else is ready for the 13th now???
probably lore-fi!
I saw person behind the text
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So exitedddffffdffffjdbdjsgsjchudz yuh x as my jad
It’s a duck!
July 13th? I knew it! It was about my birthday all along!
sadly it's not😢
Happy birthday!
@@Sans123_32 ahha thanks!
@@Shivaxi Enjoy your special day!
@@yourlocalspsycho thank you!
At 7:47 when u said "and" its sounds like a duck quack
Dude i thought that too lol😂
Thought I was the only one TvT
9:10 uh..... blazes *do* spawn naturally in nether fortresses.... in areas *without* spawners.... so as far as i can tell, they do naturally exist and spawners only create more of them rather than being what originally made them in the first place.
17:18 That’s sad tho… but- WHAT DID I DO!?!?
5:15 there is enchanted armor in the nether the Bastians have enchanted diamond armor and even nether right ingots
I thought the Scrape Sherd was part of the fact the building is made of Copper, as Axes can "scrape" oxidization off of Copper blocks (which is how you are intended to brighten the Copper Bulbs
Found this while listening to the song “Dupe - Mbappe” 😮😮
Mobs are already saving us with the pork chops
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Ever notice how modern mojang doesn't reveal orginal lore, they add new stuff that adds "minecraft lore"
The real trial is trying to cope with Matpat being gone
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Tom is actually doing good so far.
@Blue-qr4fiwtf
12:54 i dont really think the illagers have helped the ancient builders with making the ancient cities as the dark oak structures themselves look like they were built on top of whatever remained of the cities
The illagers were most likely looting whatever remained of these gigantic cities and had made small scale restorations to help with said navigation aswell as literaly making small camps and mini outposts(possibly trying to take over these cities but eventualy they abandoned these camps and outposts as the warden proved to be too dangerous)
Apart from that, I think the pillagers were in ancient cities mainly for the warden. They wanted a weapon to help them fight in the period of minecraft dungeons.
And that is what I think what disc 5 is, a recorded warden-summoning ceremony that clearly didn't go well. The first part of the disc would be the illagers marching through the city, then there's a cut, here they stopped recording because the warden killed everyone, and the last part would be the last pillager trying to escape with the recording and recorder. Eventually, the warden caught him and broke the disk as he killed him, causing distorsions.
What the f
was that? 2:42
We’re getting an arg
@@Memebird933source please?
Its called lore-fi. It was revealed at vid con last week
ILLAGERS?? MINECRAFT DUNGEONS?? IM IN LOVE WITH THIS VIDEO!!
NAH I DISCOVERED AND COMPLETED ONE EARLIER TODAY AND THOUGHT " WELL *_HMMMMMM,_* I WONDER WHERE THIS FITS IN THE LORE"
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@@gamerxcool why
Only Game Theory could take a simple open world game and overcomplicate it beyond our understanding
The Minecraft theories are essentially just a bunch of stories, and i really like that
We need 4 of these. Blaze for fire, Breeze for air, Brine for water and Boulder for earth.
I would like to see the ARG part of the video in a spectrogram. I tried but I have no clue how to do it.
If you see this and have done it, please tell!
Two problems based from the complete lore of minecraft and this video:
1. Didn't some ancient builders return from the end because the bedrock portal was supposedly unlocked (and the rest of the builders became enderman)? Why did most of the ancient builders stay in the end if food was running out? They hopped across two dimensions already, why couldn't they do the same for returning to the overworld? (If you are saying they were unsure of whether the portal led them back to the overworld, the went to the nether and the end unsure of the results, its not like they are afraid of dimension hopping again) Also the reason why we the player probably exist in the first place, because of the builders who returned.
2. If all the ancient builders went through the end portal into the end, why didn't the pillagers follow them too? If they supposely waited for the builders to return, and probably returned to the overworld, why didn't the builders do the same? The wither was already defeated anyways, and the warden is just trapped down in the caves. We the players nowadays can survive the warden, why couldn't the ancient builders mine to the surface but the pillagers managed to (assuming the pillagers did that cos no way the pillagers are staying underground with the warden)
I know the lore is just a theory, but these are just some things I noticed while watching both videos, hopefully someone can answer them
There's a lot of holes in game theory's Minecraft videos. I think xatrix and retro gaming now have less leaps in logic
There is no chance a single wither could wipe out the ancient builders, and if it was multiple withers how could they have made them by mistake?
@@donkeykong3119theres a theory that the giant skeletons in the soul sand valley were the ancient withers, much bigger and more powerful than our current wither. Also the ancient builders had no idea how to fight the wither and they had worse gear than the player
@@donkeykong3119it was prob sth closer to the wither in minecraft story mode
@@donkeykong3119 i would highly disagree on this specific video imo. theres alot here that makes a ton of sense and even way before this video came out, me and quite a few others within the community came to the same sort of conclusion to this specific part of the story being told, before the update came out and only hints were being dropped via new blocks and items and changes to how some gameplay elements now function.
that isnt to say i and others are right however, would fully except if im wrong here however theres alot of very strong evidence that points to alot of this being correct enough to the story being told.
you work alongside illigers and villigers in minceraft legends as a ancient builder or the mention of them exsisting still while you are playing minecraft legends and its not crazy to assume this story element was carried over from the game which was meant to piece together and make many hints to the story being told for minecraft, included in the main game. one of minecrafts legends main intentions was to create that massove story and build on it as well as explain the missing pieces to the story however the game flopped so its now being done via updates which is a genius idea imo.
3:07
“Desert Temples and Jungle Pyramids “?!?
Oh god that’s funny
lah iya ya kok kebalik -_-
Nope, both are called “Desert/Jungle pyramid” in the game files
Good theory, btw i hope you're gonna make a video on the trail ruins