Why You Should NOT Buy An S5iiX - A Different Perspective
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- With all the hype surrounding the s5iix and how camera culture is nowadays I wanted to quickly put out another perspective I haven't seen on RUclips yet before you make your buying decision. Hope you enjoy! :)
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00:00 Intro
00:58 Facebook Experiment
01:35 1st Reason
04:15 2nd Reason
05:57 3rd Reason
06:55 Who Is This Camera For?
07:50 Conclusion
This is NOT an S5iix review and it is not a direct comparison i.e. S5iix vs s5ii 
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Just a heads up! I’m not saying this camera is a “waste of money”
I actually purchased one for myself 🫣 but it wasn’t for the prores options or even the BRaw…
Anyways… don’t get too rowdy in the comments section 😉
$200 for the paint job? Yeah!😜
you are wrong. any pro rig their cams anyway. that.s not a bad thing, i will not pay for sd cards. i will have it rigged anyway, you don.t really know what you are saying
my respectful advice is to learn more about digital processing. on this topic, you are the beginner. an obvious beginner. just learn more
Haha! Sorry bud but you clearly do not know what you’re talking about 🫣
Or you should watch my other videos where I tell people to rig their cameras or share my rigged out Red Komodo 😂
I can shoot a whole commercial simply handheld on the s5ii, which I have! A true professional will shoot with what they need and actually know what they need instead of saying “all the pros do this, so I’m going to as well”
Just my 2 cents
i disagree, you do you
Appreciate the input Anthony. I've been on the fence on whether or not to return the S5II within the 30 day return window. I have decided that yes, I will return it and purchase the S5IIx, and here's why;
- Future Proofing: I had my last DSLR for a long-ass time man, over 11 years. I was so blown away when I started looking at the improvements of the new mirrorless cameras, I had no idea so many improvements had been made. So, judging by my previous camera, I'm likely to have this one for quite a while. And if/when I do go to sell it, resale value will likely be higher and would recoup the $200 right there.
- I agree with you on the file sizes and I doubt for the small business work that I do, on another RUclips channel, that anyone would ever see the difference. So, not really planing on shooting Prores but it'll be nice to know that the capability is there if/when a client ever requests it. I may or may not get the Kondor Blue handle but just for simplicity sake on the SSD and the workflow, not interested in HUGE files.
- Live Streaming: I have already done this at a couple of weddings and although it went off without a hitch, the ability to be able to do this right from the S5IIx is worth $200 to me right there.
- Black Paint Job; A lot of reviewers mention that this is worth the price alone, and I do like it, but this is by far the least important thing to me. I doubt that I will ever have a single person notice it except myself and it did not influence my decision at all. Hope I can see all the dials in the dark when shooting events!
- All in all, if I was not within my 30 day return window, there is no way I would take a big loss on the S5II just to get the X.
Thanks for all your content man.
Love the insight man!
I actually just bought the x myself for the potential live streaming capabilities
After owning the ursa, I absolutely LOVED all the ProRes options and full sensor readouts. The image was so robust.
I am with you on this. When I was buying my S5ii a few weeks back I was really going back and forth on whether to get the S5ii "now" or wait for the S5iiX in June for the several extra features. I ended up deciding that for my use case the S5ii was the better choice for a few reasons, the biggest being the ease of use. I actually love that the S5ii has a lowish bitrate that allows for the use of relatively cheap, high capacity media options, even in the highest recording qualities. I have two Sabrent 1TB v60 cards in the S5ii and they, one, work perfectly in all modes- 6k open gate, burst photography, etc- and two, are a fraction of the cost of v90 or CF Express cards. In addition to that, the files are extremely easy to work with in editing suites, unlike the larger file sizes that come with different codecs. You also don't need a bunch of extras with the S5ii to get the best out of it, no external recorder, no SSD and SSD holder that needs to be attached to cage a cage and so on. I estimate that by the time you add the cost of all those things to the S5iiX to unlock its full potential, you are going to be spending $3k or easily even more when it's all said and done.
I think the one thing that would have made it a little more intriguing for me is if they had been able to add full frame 4k 48, 60 and 120fps. I am in the fortunate situation to also own a Canon R5, giving me raw and all-i codecs as well as full frame 60 and 120fps, so the omission of those things are not a huge deal to me, but that being said, I would have considered making a full switch over to Panasonic had they been able to offer those frame rates. I actually think that the R5 and S5ii compliment each other perfectly, and between the two they cover just about any situation a filmmaker/photographer could encounter, but that is a whole other discussion.
Wow! That’s quite the extensive response!
Thanks for taking the time to share your input I appreciate that. 🙌🏼 a lot of the same mental journey I went through
I had recently put together an almost an identical list of the extra purchases to kit out the X... and there is the cage, cables etc... I love that you showed what a lot of us are thinking...
"$200 for a cooler Blackout... take my money." Thanks for the great perspective and honest video. Subbed.
Thanks brother!
This is a great independent perspective. Many reviews that we've seen they were too influenced by the brand and also the hype. Probably this is a great pro camera, but these pro features are not just 200 dollars more, they are far more expensive. Thanks for sharing!
Ofcourse! Thanks 🙏🏼
I'm more likely to listen to someone who can get nice skin tones on their talking head. Props for that.
I appreciate that! 💪🏼
Agreed
Thx. Your video opened my eyes to some things I didn't think of at first
🙌🏼🙌🏼
Thanks for this informative video, especially your comments on regarding SSD recording, which is something I have not dealt with before.
Glad it was helpful!
The S5iiX is a great camera you can grow into. Your currents clients might not want RAW but if all of a sudden you meet one who does, the upgrade is more simple than getting (Renting or buying) and learning a new system.
I agree for the most part!
The only thing is, if I’m working with clients that are demanding raw, they better be paying me enough to where I can afford a proper cinema camera.
@@AnthonyRodriguezz - When I started my production career over 10 years ago I bought great audio gear and rented cameras based on the job. Now that a $2,200 camera can do 90% of the jobs I’m cool with renting when the client DEMANDS RED or ARRI. If they are demanding merely RAW I’ll just keep the sub $1000 RAW investment and not spend the over $1000 in camera/lens rentals.
In reality, I’ll just hire a cam op with a RED or ARRI because you typically get a cam op, the camera and all the camera gear for the price of a comprehensive rental.
If "all of a sudden a client" demands RAW, I buy the camera THEN and charge the customer accordingly. If I bought a new camera for every "just in case" or "future proof" scenario that marketing teams indoctrinate my mind with, I'd go broke.
Exactly. It's such an contrarian perspective. People keep acting like the ability to film to an SSD and shoot pro-res, RAW, B-RAW and high end All-I options are a con because of the external recording requirements... when none of the camera's around it's price range can record these options internally OR EXTERNALLY. The competition don't offer these options in anyway. Yes it's not ideal to record externally but as your production quality grows you can hang onto this camera for longer than having to splash out on higher end video cameras the minute you want to start exploring pro-res of RAW video recording.
@@HGQjazz If you bought a new camera for every customers need you'd go broke... To offer RAW on a S5iix only requires an investment of an external recorder for the rare situation when needed. An external recorder that can double as a monitor when not shooting RAW. To buy a camera that can offer RAW internally you're looking at either ONLY BMPCC cameras or cameras in the $5-10K at a minimum.
Really good content dude. Thinking of upgrading from s1 and finding this content really helps. Personally i think that having all that option is enough reason to upgrade tho. Might not be using it now but its kinda future proof. Good work tho. Appreciate it 😊
Thanks brother!
Appreciate the feedback 💪🏼
For sure! When I got the camera the SSD is cool and all but it would be great to just have a hybrid CF Express and SD card slots. Like 2 SD cards, and 2 or 1 CF Express Card. Shooting that high res on a small camera won’t make sense for a lot of people but this can be great for B Cam for people who shoot on Reds or something that need that crazy extra higher quality footage. Good video mate!
Appreciate the response brother!
Nice to see a level headed response to a polarizing opinion 😂
@@AnthonyRodriguezz yeah this camera for Apple Pro Res Raw or BRAW makes sense for people that need that as a BCam for a bigger camera system like yourself. But it is nice that it is more future proofing your camera for a couple extra years if you buy this camera for that reason. Like I film professionally but I use V30 SD cards since my clients don’t need Apple ProRes or I don’t need to film All Intra recording since they won’t even notice the difference in the videos. But if you are shooting a giant doc with the red as an A then yeah this is a solid cheap B cam for those type of people.
These are the type of channels I can't stand, where you have someone talking sense and making valid points trying to save people from buying more crap that they don't need with added features they will never use. How dare you! Nah seriously, good video. I agree. 👍
Haha I thought you were about start a forest fire with those first words 😂
Thanks for the support brother! Really appreciate it
FINALLY! The honesty and clarity i needed!
Thanks man! Glad it helped!
Good video, and you brought up some important points about the "hidden" costs of shooting in either ProRes or in RAW (whichever flavor you choose). One thing that interests me is the live streaming ability. At this point, although I don't have a need for ProRes / RAW / All-I / streaming, I feel like if I got the regular S5 II model (not the X model), I might miss out and regret it later on down the line (yes, the dreaded FOMO raises it's ugly head yet again).
Hahaha I totally understand I might even buy the s5iix, no judgement
A real review, I appreciate your work
Thanks man!
Love your videos man. If you have a time. A battle between the s5ii and the c70 like autofocus, dynamic range and highlight roll off would be sweet ☺️🙏
Possibly! If there’s an audience for that, I wouldn’t mind taking the time to make it
Nice video perspective and I also saw your sharing on the FB group. Fun challenge. My take is simple, every individual has to way their workflow and needs (and of course, budget). So in my case, I own the original S5, and a zcam e2s6 (the zcam can shoot in ProRes , ProRes 422, ProRes lt, H264, H265 and zraw internally, and ProRes Raw and Braw externally). The Panasonic cameras match surprisingly and beautifully with the zcam series so having another camera that shares the codecs at a fraction of the cost of even buying another zcam full frame is a logical move for my situations. Not to mention it will match with my original s5. Also, I do streaming, and the s52x has a similar approach to the zcam’s which again will make sense for me.anyways, keep up the good work.
Thanks for sharing brother!
Definitely insightful 👌🏼
The fact that these in-camera features are available for $200 more is a personal choice.
With the S5II you have to pay 200 dollars more for the upgrade!
You don't have to use these extra options right away, but grow towards them and later when this storage becomes cheaper you will be prepared for the future.
It’s true but you can also get an s5ii for much cheaper used since there are more on the market rn
@@AnthonyRodriguezzHey bro. Im entirely new to photography and video. I want something good. I'm deciding between s5iix or the S1H. I can get the s1h for 2600 brand new from eBay as Therr is a high rated seller selling it.. but based on all the things I read, I think the S5 IIX is the way to go.. I'm based in Los Angeles and I'm also wondering if you think I would be able to get work doing photography and videography with that s5iix. Your info is much appreciated brother. Thank you
@fightsandfinance7570 it would be great! The s5iix is my choice
What a great video. I couldn't agree more. For sure, some of the features of s5iix will appeal to some people but for the vast majority of users, the s5ii hits the perfect spot. I also think that BRAW will be available in the s5ii as well, so yeah, s5ii all the way. Also, apart from the using the Phantom Luts, are you using any Look Luts? I really love the looks of your videos!!
I actually created my own look LUTs and will most likely be releasing them in the future as well as a tutorial on how to use them :)
Im getting into filmmaking, so this info helps me keep a balanced perspective. Thank you! I want a camera that I can grow into & your feedback guides me to know what to be aware of. Most videos have been about all the great things about this camera. I now know more about the cost, file sizes, etc. Again, great video, very helpful for a veginner like me.
Thank you!!
You've been mislead do more research.
@@THE_SMOKE_SHOW_ lol brother, you need to stop or you’re just permanently going to get blocked.
Thank you for your video because it's very easy to get sucked into the hype of the S5iix and everyone makes the S5ii sound like crap in comparison. Love your work! Keep it up!
Thanks Caleb! Appreciate the support 🙌🏼
Currently a S5 owner, I do a lot of corporate stuff and I'm just starting to dip into the world of shooting RAW. Shot some stuff in Prores RAW but the workarounds for getting it into Davinci held me back considering the diminishing returns you're getting from RAW. I see the use cases for it but my stuff is usually in fairly controlled environments so I don't have to make huge adjustments in post. BUT, I am also starting to get into shooting some short film stuff, and I can see more use cases there, as real world environments can have so many factors out of your control. So for those situations the S5ii X is the perfect upgrade to get access to BRAW. I already have a Samsung T5 1TB to shoot BRAW externally and plenty of storage on a NAS to accommodate larger files, so the jump to shooting more RAW won't be too bad for me. A true cinema camera is on my "someday" list, but for now I can't wait to see what the S5ii X can do.
EDIT: For anyone else coming across this comment, the S5 ii X does NOT shoot BRAW to USB-C, as clarified in the comments below. Although I have found a nice way to take advantage of ProRes Raw. Shoot ProRes on a USB-C and use that as my main working files, shoot ProRes RAW to a Ninja V as a backup and only access the files that I may have gotten something wrong or I perhaps need the extra flexibility in post. I'm willing to deal with converting a few files to Cine DNG as opposed to an entire project.
Thanks for your input brother!
I really hope they add the ability to record BRAW directly to an external SSD, but currently you can only record braw to the black magic video assist monitor which is not cheap.
@@ChadHutsebautfilms They actually announced the other day that the S5ii X can record Prores Raw and BRAW to an external SSD :)
@@jacobterrazas3147 idk if that’s correct… I’m pretty sure you need the external blackmagic recorder to record braw
@@jacobterrazas3147 Using a Ninja V for ProRes raw and video assist for BRAW.
thank you for the balanced review. no hype,just facts. keep up the good work
Thanks brother!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz greetings from India
One big feature I like (with the S5, as with the S5IIX) is the ability to record in BRAW. I think it makes a big difference both to the image quality and the flexibility in post processing. The point that working with BRAW files (even the most compressed option) creates much larger files is important to consider - I agree. I think it is helpful to point this out, as you do in this video. I needed to invest in a NAS that could take over 20TB for storage and speed of data transfer for editing as well as a mirror back up facility for data security. That has meant a significant investment relative to the cost of the camera.
Appreciate the feedback! It’s true, BRAW is an incredible codec to work with!
Very valid points. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Good video and information, Now I have a better understanding of what to buy for my channel..
Love that!
I just canceled my pre-order on the s5iix. I don’t feel I need the extra bells and whistles and don’t feel like buying a bunch of storage just for RUclips videos haha. Thanks for this video! Really helped me make a better buying decision. Plus we still get ProRes in a future firmware upgrade.
Ahh this makes it all worth it! I love the s5iix I’m just glad this video was able to help you make the better buying decision for you!
Just a heads up that future firmware update is 200$ extra when it does come out!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I see! That’s good to know. I think I don’t really need external ssd recording. I’ve used SD cards my entire life lol. I guess being able to edit directly from the SSD is cool though. I can just transfer the footage. Honestly not even sure if I really need ProRes either for RUclips haha
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I cancelled mine as well. I saw another photographer do a photo shoot/portrait video with the S5II and it made me realize that it’s just not worth it for me to go with the X. If I’m ever at the point where I absolutely need ProRes consistently, then I can just buy one. I have a GH6 and I think the GH6/S5II combo is going to cover all of my bases.
Just to be clear... The $200 unlock for the S5II Does NOT give it All-I, Pro-Res, or the streaming functionality. All it provides the the RAW over HDMI capabilities for ProRES RAW and BRAW.
I’m glad you made this video I was doing my research and things just started adding up really quickly it’s not a necessity for me smh. I just purchased the S5ii almost a week ago for $1800 from Best Buy it was a return so it’s pretty much brand new barely used so essentially it’s a $400 savings for me
Thanks bro!
Congrats on the savings! 🙌🏼
@@AnthonyRodriguezz you’re welcome, thank you I was too excited
Thanks for your perspective. I've read a few comments, and a lot of ppl seem to think everyone is informed anyway and has done his research, but these comments come from viewers who already know that stuff. I'm in the perfect target group for this video :-) I have a G9, make a few travel videos only for family and friends (and myself as a memory), and I consider upgrading to a FF hybrid camera. And I think you're completely right about some of the hype. E.g. I don't have a clue what Prores is, I don't even know if the free version of DaVinci han handle it. And I consider watching videos like this one as part of "researching" on the S5 ii (X). So from other videos I would have concluded, that even if I certainly don't need any of the extra features of the X now, it might be interesting in the future. After watching your video, I'm 100% certain that as a hobbyist, I don't need any of those features, not now and not in 2 years, not for the 10 people watching my occasional videos :-)
Appreciate you taking the time to comment this 🙌🏼
It’s reassuring
Thank you for the realistic practical problems you listed cause I was seriously considering this camera
Still a great camera and you don’t NEED to use ProRes but I’m glad this video was helpful 🙏🏼
@AnthonyRodriguezz Are you sure one can't record prores raw on an external SSD on this camera? Cause just heard it can be done.
You cannot, no
I definitely will get this camera. No RUclipsr can influence me against getting it.
Then it’s the right camera for you! 💪🏼🙌🏼
What a beautiful talking head setup man!
Thank you!
One more salient feature is the x maintains AF in high frame rates and the ii does not?
This is a simple firmware update, not a feature!
But I can see how it might look like the ii wont get it 🫣
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I get that it can be enabled by firmware but until it does it’s just a wish :). Currently ditching a7siii because lack of what seems like easy to implement firmware updates that have never materialized.
Slight correction from what I've seen online: Both the s5ii and s5iix use the older autofocus system instead of the newest PDAF when shooting over 30fps in 1080p. Please correct me if I'm wrong but that seems to be the case according to Gerald Undone who is very trustworthy.
@@jtchalatsis In Gerald Undone's review he states the the S5IIX DOES use PDAF in 1080p frame rates
Appreciate your input and makes a lot of sense, however even though I don't think I will use a lot of the pro features to begin with and will just record to an SD card with normal format to begin with, BUT it will be nice to have the options to use some of the more pro features in the future if I want to and hell that Blackout stealth look is worth the extra. Also, there's a deal on here in the UK where if you trade in £250 worth of camera gear with MBP you get a whopping £1000 off the camera, and the £250+ from MBP so I'll be getting a S5IIX, plus the 20-60 zoom, 35mm & 80mm for £2329 all in, absolute steal, so happy to pay a bit extra for the X. Thanks for the video, didn't consider how many SSD's I may have to buy to shoot in the pro formats.
Other important upgrades on the X are the faster open gate modes - this is really nice if you shoot anamorphic. Also, If your use to a ProRes workflow I think this is a great addition. It’s 2023 - storage is cheap. The R3D files from my Komodo and Gemini are just as large if not larger. Also for long term when project footage is going to be archived we usually convert it over to H265 10bit 422 where it generally goes to retire on a NAS and can be resurrected in pretty good quality on the off chance it’s needed again in the future.
Yeah… most of these things can be had in the s5ii though minus the prores
@@AnthonyRodriguezz you don’t see value in the all-I modes? In my experience all-I can be important if you shoot any scenes with high frequency detail and want to preserve that detail. I’m usually more on the VFX side of things but do DP occasionally and if you ever do any roto work and rely on any level of automation to speed up a roto the mushy detail on long gop files can be murder.
I think the price difference is so little between the two cameras and the fact that you have more open gate frame rate options, all- i as well as ProRes if you want it that the x is definitely the way to go. I did the math and 2 hours at 6k open gate ProRes 24 is about 1.4tb - that’s really not that bad and in line with my REDs, Alexa’s when we have rented them as well as the Varicam LT we had up until last year.
I don’t at all… I’ve never had the need for it and a client will never truly notice BUT it is such a small price difference, you’re right there!
I was just adding a different perspective in the mix of the YT hype.
faster open gate modes ? how ? what do u mean faster ? did sii update this ?
This amount of level-headed reasonsing has no place on RUclips! 🤣Great video Anthony
Hahahaha!
Best comment so far 👌🏼 Thank you
Honestly this was such a great opposing perspective. I appreciate the nuanced take. There’s always either too much hype without pointing out cons or some fanboy for another brand saying its trash compared to “xyz”
Hahaha thanks man!
Great points!
Thanks!
Thanks for sharing your honest opinion 🙏💪🏼
My pleasure!
For the money that cost the S5IIX, there are not just the external features, there is also all-I H264 up to 600mbps on sd cards, and that save time editing.
Also the IIX still has subject recognition when monitoring the 6K or 5.9k!
And the features you say are pricy to handle, are pricy on any camera doing that and the S5IIX is one of the cheapest doing that, so yes prore will cost but for those asking for that the camera is a bargain that's all!
Also the b-raw of the s5IIX is the best to date, with higlight recovery it has a of dynamic range, can be converted in any log/gamut/ colorspace of davinci, almost perfect white balance recovery/ exposure recovery!
And for the price it cost over a s5II you can decide or not to use those features but if prores is a client obligation, the versatility of that camrra is difficult to beat!
And it has live stream support
Hey! Thanks for your input!
Not sure how everyone is getting clients that are demanding prores… I’ve never once encountered this. But I do hear what you’re saying and I do agree with you!
Any firmware related upgrades will be released in the s5ii as well 🙂
@@AnthonyRodriguezz It is just that propres being almost an industry standart in terme of use and softwares that it is a probability.
The camera is just note that much money, Can do the same and much if needed.
And it Can begin to record all-i on v60 cards so not that much money
I really enjoyed this video. I actually really enjoy all of these filmmaking videos from all of these amazing filmmakers, but I have yet to feel like my original S5 is letting me down in any situation. I guess if I find myself really desiring better autofocus, I'll upgrade at some point, but this camera is just so good. But I'm sure all of these cameras are absolutely incredible. :-) I DID run into moire ONCE, and that sucked, bjut overall, I'm pretty grateful right where I'm at. Thanks so much for sharing though, I really do enjoy all of your videos.
Thanks bro!
The AF can definitely be buggy
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I don't care what anybody says, as far as I'm concerned, AF is potentially always buggy. :-)
Great color grading, Anthony! Just ordered the S5IIX to replace my Sony A7RII. My main camera that I use since 2020 is the Blackmagic Pocket 4K (rigged and paired a lot of times with the Ronin M), but I only use it for my biggest projects, where normally I know I will be doing color grading and look building, basically for cinematography.
However, I always wanted 4K 50p for some run and gun projects, events and thinks like that, where a light camera that I can either fly on my Ronin S or use handheld, and switch between those quickly, is paramount. With a versatile zoom lens and all Canon glass that I have, paired with the MC-21, I think I'll get the perfect light camera for videography, and a great B camera that I can match with my Pocket 4K properly.
All that said, I understand why for some people, those features won't mean much, and specially for those who already have the S5II.
Thanks bro!! Appreciate the insight
Thank you sir for your honest opinion
Always welcome
I can't believe you had the nerve to...I'm just playin'. Very valid points indeed.
Haha! Thanks brother!
Who gives a f&#% what anyone thinks. KUDOS to you for breaking through the hype and providing an honest appraisal of the true cost of ownership in order to make full use of all the features. Solid report.👍
Thank you Keith!
Really appreciate the support 💪🏼
I’m so glad i saw his video , I’m in he process of investing in this camera have been arguing with my self to buy the x or not and for someone like me that will be catering to business and real estate for social media content and this video has convinced me i don really need the x i should be fine with the s5ii im not trying to film full fledged Netflix movies but thanks for the prospective
Love that this was helpful for you!
It’s why I make these kinds of videos 🥹🙌🏼
Hey :)
I used to have a GH5, and have used the All-I and Long GOP recording. With the S5 II X, the All-I codec is really versatile for grading, and you can record that to a UHS-II SD card internally, I think. The 4K 24P and 60P modes are the ones I really would like to record All-I in. Your points about Prores and BRAW are valid, but for those of us who have an actual use case for these things, we already know the requirements (SSDs, more storage, external recorder etc). Those are not caveats but the workflows of these setups. I have shot a number of smaller fiction projects (short films, corporate commercials, music videos etc) and I personally would choose to either record in RAW or ProRes HQ. Two 1 TB SSD would run you 180 USD, 100-ish USD for the cage, and you are set for Prores. And when BRAW is needed, you can always rent the video assist, and adjust the rental cost in the money you charge the client :)
I completely agree with you about buying a used camera. I have a Lumix S1, and my plan is to buy a Lumix S5 (and a 35 1.8 S prime), both of which together would cost me about 1400 USD, and give me a solid dual cam setup. the GH5 sale is funding the S5 purchase.
Hey! Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I see what you’re saying but I do want to clear up one thing…
All-I does make your image more versatile for grading. It actually has little to no visual benefits… unfortunately :/
I would only say to shoot in all-I if your computer needs it
@@AnthonyRodriguezz Agreed, It does make your image more versatile. Not a question of computer, since each frame is recorded individually, in fast moving or high detail scenes you get a more detailed image :)
Is this something you actually notice or you just know from what other have said or your own personal research?
Not accusing you of anything! Just curious
Great video! I always like people who just post their honest thoughts even if it is different from the mainstream. Btw I remember Gerald Undone mentioned that S5m2 X is better than just ordinary s5m2 in terms of AF when It is 6k open gate is it true? also I wonder if there is any other resolution and frame rate different between both I am currently using fx3 but I am going to switch to one of those
S5iiX vs XH2s. Can't wait for someone to do this comparison. Overall, I sorta want the Blackmagic RAW and the Live streaming will be useful to me personally. So I'm glad I spent the extra to pre-order the X and returned the S5ii. It's gonna be my A-Cam until I can justify something bigger like the fx6(old sensor but mainstream). Last thing for them to do is fix the antialiasing and offer via firmware a 4K 120fps mode that's cropped but would be nice. Thanks for your Perspective :)
The aliasing can’t be fixed via firmware and there’s no chance 4k 120 would be added unfortunately!
Thank you for sharing your input!
Great video! What camera and lens did you use for this episode? Thanks.
C70 and Lumix s5ii and Leica r lenses
thank you. great insights
Thanks for checking the video out!
Appreciate your perspective.
Thank you!
Great video, and I appreciate you ignoring those in the comments who dont understand what this video is trying to say.
I really do love Panasonic, they make some of the best value cameras on the market. However, I just cannot get away from my Sony ecosystem.
Appreciate the support brother!
This makes perfect sense, yes S5iix could be game changer for Pros's who are paid well, but not for any other content creators, Thanks for your. Thoughts 🙏
🙌🏼🙌🏼 thanks for the support
Kudos for at least that slide from 4:25. Literally NOBODY said that before!! thanks :)
Thank you! Glad it helped 👌🏼
Hi Anthony, great video for a beginner like myself looking to upgrade my camera/ something I can grow into. Do you have any other comparable suggestions? Something that wouldn't take up as much storage?
Depends on your use case but I’d recommend a used s5ii
People can underestimate the issue of data storage.
In the early days of my career when everything was shot on Super35 film, a really common term you'd hear on set was "shooting ratio". That's the ratio of the length of the finished film to the amount of film stock you had to shoot it with. So let's say you were shooting a 1hr TV episode, a 10:1 ratio meant you had 10hrs of film stock (or about 55,000ft, since we measured film stock in feet). 10:1 was typical for lower budget commercial work - you'd get decent classic drama coverage and maybe one or two takes of each shot for that, Bigger budget action films of course had much higher shooting ratios - 30:1 or higher. If you were scrimping for a self funded short you might have to go as low as 4:1 which is pretty brutal.
Then digital came along and suddenly shooting ratios went out the window. You could shoot and shoot and shoot forever. It has become more and more common to do "rolling resets" and do take after take without cutting the camera, sometimes with minutes of directors giving notes between takes, all still rolling (and the folks in post gnashing and wailing their teeth).
But weirdly, quite recently, on a lower budget job shooting on an Alexa or a Venice I heard the term "shooting ratio" once again on set - this time in relation to the amount of data storage the production could afford. It was quite high - 20:1, so say it was an hour episode of TV we were shooting, that means they could only afford 20hrs of storage. But it was pretty wild to hear that term that had been so critical in the days of film coming back in the digital era.
It really brought it home the impact these higher bit rate and higher resolution cameras are having on the post production workflow.
This is incredibly insightful! Thanks for sharing!
Great points. Besides the s5ii, I also own a Zcam s6 capable of shooting prores HQ internally or ext to SSDs. I've used it zero times for real world productions, exactly for the reasons you mention and because the H265 is actually astonishingly good. Unless u shoot moving water or stuff like that there is almost no difference.
Apart from the storage issue there is also some reliability issues with SSD. They are made for many small writes, not for long sustained video write. Do many ppl burned their hands on t7s and whatnot
Thanks for sharing Andreas!
Fellow yotuber here I noticed you are usually a canon user I am on the fence of upgrading my current camera, I have a Sony A7C but I wanted to get something newer that could do 10 bit and 4k 60 fps recording. I film consumer 4K TV reviews so I am constantly filming screens, have you noticed the lack of OLPF on the S5ii to be an issue with Moire compared to the Canon which I believe does have a OLPF which one would you recommend of the two cameras, if possible could you try filming a TV playing some video and tell me which handled that better? Also please keep in mind I still plan to do a lot of talking head style videos much like the one you are doing here. BTW thank you for your videos keep up the great work!
Hey!
So I’m not sure which canon camera you’re talking about that has an OLPF as most of the consumer range do not have one. I also have no idea when it come to TVs unfortunately! What I will say though is that your issue will mainly have to do with shutter speed and the flicker in the screens and trying to find which shutter speed has the least amount of flicker when it comes to certain frequency of the the TVs. That’s a WHOLE nother convo though 😅
Good luck!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz Thanks for replying Anthony, my issue isn't flicker with the shutter speed my issue is when I have the focus dialed in to put the TV in focus so all the text is clear I get moire patterns on the TV much like if you shoot a shirt with patterns or furniture that is threaded etc. The canon R5 and R5C actually have an OLPF and the the Panasonic S5 II doesn't which is why I was debating the two. Thank you again for your help.
A7C II is supposed to be coming out later in 2023.
Agree.. 1st and 2nd reasons do make sense, don't need it as well, however, do you think ALL-I codecs up to 600Mbs internally in S5IIX giving us more flexibility when color grading compared with LONG GOP in S5II? Also, I heard there's no PDAF in 1080p 30+ FPS in S5II but it was fixed in S5IIX. Any info about this? Two important factors for me.
I do not think you will ever notice the increased flexibility with color grading with ALL-I vs LONG GOP. People saying this are really splitting hairs.
Although it does perform ever so slightly better due to having less artifacts, it’s not noticeable to most if not all working professionals in our sphere.
Regarding the second question, it is fixed in both!
It's a 10% difference in price. For many people shopping at this level, the camera body is only part of many many thousands of dollars of gear, so this isnt really a huge difference for them. I agree that no single one of the X's extra features is probably going to justify the difference for most people, but I do think that the combination of all of them is worth it. For me i would pay the difference just for the intraframe internal h264/265 codecs. ProRes internal and external, raw out, and the streaming stuff are just nice bonuses for me. For many other people it's probably vice versa.
Appreciate the response!
I’ve never seen the benefit of All-I outside of easier editing. That being said, my computer can pretty much handle anything really!
It's better for shots with lots of motion. That's what I shoot so it's worth it for me. That being said, I think the long-GOP codecs in my S1 are fantastic for what they are, and are more than many shooters need.
For many, it's not just about 10%. Many bought the S5 II 3 months ago. I asked my camera dealer how much I could get in exchange for the X as a used camera. He said about 1600, - so the difference is much higher than just 10 percent. That's true only for those who have waited. But I think these are the fewest.
@@mathiassiebert1217 you're reaching. It's not like the X came out of nowhere, it was announced at the same time as the S5II. Everyone had all the information they needed at the time to decide which camera was right for them. Can't blame Panasonic if someone was too impatient to wait and now regrets it.
@@aldolega Thanks for your answer. None of this is new to me. Of course, both cameras were announced at the same time in Tokyo. And also their approximate release date. I didn't claim otherwise. Also, where did I blame Panasonic? I don't know what you're reading into my post. At least not what's in there. What you don't take into account: Many wanted the camera right away. For whatever reason. It's not up to me to rate that. For me it was just the moment when I urgently needed a new camera because my old one was no longer good. Since I had several orders coming up, everything was perfect. I had already thought back then that I would buy the X later. I just didn't realize how much value the camera would lose at a professional retailer.
I love a good non-biased review.
Thanks man!
Although this wasn’t necessarily a review, I still appreciate the kind words!
And here my perspective:
1. If the s5ii had ALL-intra then I might not have considered the s5iix. Gop files need computers that ...cost around 4000 today.
2. How many FF cameras have the ability to write PRORESS internally and how much do they cost?
3. How many FF, cameras are able to write to ssd proress and how much do they cost?
4. How much are 2 v90 256gb sd cards and how much is a 1tb or 2tb ssd?
5. I will agree that writing to an external ssd has some problems for the operation of the run & gun (cables, cages, base, etc.) but IT IS THE CHEAPEST SOLUTION.
Greetings 🇬🇷🤘
I see your points, just most people do not need any of those options!
Also, my 1500$ M1 Pro can handle GOP files and you can get that for around 1200$ used nowadays
@Anthony Rodriguez Right or wrong, I'm a Windows fan boy 🤣. My pc , 5 years old, (i7 8700, 32gb, rtx 1080) CAN'T HUNDLE GOP FILES (I have the Mavic 3 classic and the dlog files is a real pain). But when editing with proress I don't have any problems!! I guess it's the same with all intra.) Otherwise I must pay 4000 for a new PC 🤣🤣
…. You have my condolences 🤣🙏🏼
I needed this 🙏 - in the middle of buying a S5II
Glad it was helpful!
Valid points. Will be more valid if S5II gets the update and EYE-AF does not turn off in opengate mode when external monitor is connected.
Worth mentioning is that S5IIX Open Gate is only available in H26X, 200MBit codec ... not BRAW, ProRes or ProResRAW. Not a big deal for YT, but if someone wants ProRes and Open Gate might be surprised ....
Also compatible drives are Samsung T5 (which are discontinued) or Sandisk Extremes, which user report are very unreliable (at least 2TB+ versions). And also Pro Blades which are very expensive.
Yeah… it will!
I mention the problades and all of that! The s5iix is an incredible camera don’t get me wrong! Just not what most beginners are expecting.
Thanks for sharing your input!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz Pro blades and the handle are interesting. But handle is on pre-order ... and pro blades are f... expensive (alnd double that in my stupid country).
I got one usb drive and I pray it will work with S5IIX, but chances are 50/50 cause it does not work with BMPCC 6k :(.
I wish I could get the X not blacked out. I think it's going to be harder to see the label/icons at night or on a dark stage.But for $200 I think it's worth the upgrade. Will probably be better for resale value in the long run and also you can record all codecs to the SSD not just prores. So that could potentially save you time and money. And I honestly don't think too many people will put their nonX for sale considering that camera just came out. Maybe in a few months or a year that will be the case.
I think the resell will be exactly the same as the s5ii BUT I do think it’s worth the 200$ just not necessary and the backend costs and hassle definitely need to be considered!
You’d be surprised. There are already people selling their s5ii’s now that reviews are out for the x
The the original S5 owners will feel the pain right now. I am :-( Even though it's a stellar camera and I won't be sad to see in my camera bag.
Not being able to see the blacked out labels in low-light situations might be the only reason not to buy the X version. Other than that, i would totally pay the extra bucks.
Question… why would you need to see the labels in a blacked out situation?
@@AnthonyRodriguezz yes, why would they print button labels at all 😉
Totally. I picked up a S5 II used with a lens at a really good price. Moved up from my S1. I'm not an advanced video shooter, and I'll just get some gaf tape and a sharpie. Done. :)
Hahaha nice!
So, new to the channel and at the time of my comment, this vid is 7 mos old so im a bit late to the convo 😅. However i did have 3 questions. The cons you listed aside, can the X do everything the s5II do that you like? And 2, did the X improve on any of the drawbacks or reservations you had about the s5II? And finally, how does the X do on stills and sports/wildlife shots if you know.
Hey!
To answer all your questions in one go, the s5iix is basically the exact same as the s5ii with slight little upgrades
I'm a little late but having owned the S5iix since it launched I may say I'm not disappointed. I come from the S5 and still use it as a second body for stills and third body for video (GH5s is 2nd video body). For hybrid shooting is fantastic and I've done a couple of jobs recording on SSD. It's fantastic. The Lumix lenses are a little bit on the sharp/digital side but they are so good. 35mm and 85mm are my main. All the different record resolutions are a little too much at the beginning but since you can program a button to select your preferred resolutions it's just so easy and so handy to have all those sizes. You can experiment with them. specially since apsc is the only mode that has fast autofocus on video. but sometimes you can use the full frame if you don't have to rely a lot on autofocus. It's a camera for filmmakers not a point and shoot so you have to practice and learn a lot about it.
recording externally is DANGEROUS!!!
Really great advice and thanks for putting your honest thoughts out there… that said I have a totally rigged out BMPCC6K pro with the VA an the iix looks like a way smaller rig. Hopefully I won’t regret it 😂.
You won’t it’s a killer camera 🙌🏼
@@AnthonyRodriguezz now if I could just get it shipped! I pre ordered one but everyone is telling me it’s going to be around the end of the month.. 😭
I disagree with your opinion, but you defo get a new sub!
Your take on this entire thing was well thought out and I appreciate that a lot, especially because I am a huge supporter of offering different perspectives on these kind of things
Most mature comment goes to this man! 😂👏🏼👏🏼
@@AnthonyRodriguezz hahahaa! I appreciate!
If I were to elaborate a little bit on that, you didn’t mention at least one major thing that might very well make the S5iiX a cheaper alternative.
Your point about ProRes and RAW codecs is very valid (huge file size -> more costly storage). However, the mere fact that the S5IIX is able to shoot in an All-Intra codec makes a significant a difference.
Files are much more easily usable on modest editing setups, negating (or at least delaying) the need to purchase a newer and more powerful editing computer.
This is coming from a guy who uses Lumix’s S5 and S5II professionally, and edits on many different computers. Whenever I get to edit on M1 (neither pro nor max) machines, the highly compressed 150Mbps is quite taxing on the computer when using Premiere Pro.
I haven’t had a chance to try S5iix all-I files, but based on my experience with Sony All-I files, I can imagine it’ll work a lot smoother to the point that it doesn’t feel like an adamant need to spend another $2500 to urgently get yourself a new computer.
(I might discuss this in a video at some point actually 🤣)
Ahhh I see!
Regarding that point though, almost any cheap m1 MacBook can edit h.265. I think the hiccup here is premier pro, not necessarily the m1 for you. In davinci resolve I’m able to edit these files pretty easy! Another thing I will add is that I personally think you should be upgrading your computer sooner than later instead of waiting until your company scales to a certain point. So I’m not sure if I’d agree with you on this point but it is valid though! I just think there are other factors coming in to play. Saving some money now and experiencing headaches editing anything that’s not compressed is not worth it imo.
Also, all-I is extremely large as well! Around 5-6x larger file sizes than IPB. At least that’s what I’ve found with the cameras I’ve tested.
Literally just made a video on gear you should buy sooner than later and a beefier laptop is on the list 🤦🏽♂️😂
I Can't Wait For the S1H II That Camera Is Going To Be Nice
Yeah… 😳
I’m stoked for that
ok ok you made valid points fr fr
Thanks brother! 😎
For a $200 difference I would go to the X. You don’t need to use the extra features the first day but you may want to need them in the future. Cheers!
Well, the Batman paint job that looks cool to the user yet attracts less attention from those members of the public whose attention you don't want is perhaps another reasons why the X might be another reason why some might think that they won't miss those 200 dollars.
Definitely tempting
great info. I had to upgrade to over 100 terabytes NAS system to handle the pro res. Most people don't know that
Some people won’t get it until they have to do it themselves! This was definitely my case
Hi guys I need help and advise!
I am an outdoor photographer and lately videographer too. My tours are adventure tours around the world in any weather conditions, desert, ice, heat, jungle, ocean etc. I just invested in a better filming set-up and chose the Lumix S5llx as lately the entire industry talk about this camera as the new 'affordable' standard camera. I started witha Canon M50 and I am happy to get to the next level now. So I bought it and now with all the features I get quite confused, I am not used to it and it makes me feal dumb to try something that seems so complicated, why didn't I started with easier cameras, but whatever. I don't know anybody who could teach me, so I turn to you guys.
My criterias are 'just' high quality video that I could use my LUTs on them. I don't have a high-end editing set-up which would be my next investment, but I need to edit those files. My videos are often an hour long. I know the quality of the video depends more on the content, but I want to do the best out of the camera too. I don't want to film with huge mega files if I don't know how to use them😂.
So what to do with this Prores or RAW videos? I don't think I need that, what is your advice guys, teach me and share your knowledge and experience, any advice is greatly appreciated guys
What is the best settings for just using f.ex. 4K and apply my LUTs, in post or now even in Camera?
You are incorrect. You can absolutely record in Apple Pro Res with the SD cards slot, you do not need to buy an external monitor that plugs into your HDMI port. However, doing that does give you a lot more options to record in many more formats, including RAW, which I think is great. To record in Apple Pro Res using the built in slots you just need a V90 SD card and that's it. You can also get very large capacity cards these days, up to 512GB.
That’s not recording to an SD card and it’s using an external recorder or SSD. My point still stands. Not only that, the only mode you can record internally is 1080p
Are all the codecs that are in the S5ii also in the S5iiX? Currently have a GH5S and want to get a full frame camera to pair with it. We're getting a new S5ii or the S5iix and the extra $200 isn't a real issue for us. I'm wondering if it's just better to get the S5iix off the bat instead of getting the S5ii and then realizing we need pro res later down the line and having to pay for the upgraded patch
If that’s your situation I’d just get the x
@@AnthonyRodriguezz Thanks for the quick reply!
I think the people who are going for it are people who are already invested in most of the things you said.
And this camera is not made for beginners so most of the people know perfectly what they are signing in for.
But you got really good points here.
Thanks for adding your perspective!
I did make the video to inform those beginners and or intermediate filmmakers thinking they need it, or even to re educate the stubborn pros 😉
With the option of buying an original S5 for under $1,000 - I still believe that it is the best option out there for most people! Mirrorless mount. Full frame sensor. 10-bit 4:2:2. That's a dream come true! Unless you require a full sized HDMI port, open gate, better AF, and a few of the other S5II features - saving money and putting it toward lenses is a great option.
I'm just having a hard time understanding why Panasonic released the S5II twice with minor upgrades that can be accomplished via firmware. Very odd!
Yeah… I don’t understand it but the blackout design is pretty sick 😳
@@AnthonyRodriguezz
Black paint costs less than $200 ;)
Truly appreciated....
Thank you man!
Glad it helped
I get about warning beginners Anthony, but for $200 the X gives you something amazing: Scaleability. For those that want to earn with this camera you need to be flexible; you might get a client that wants 9:16, run and gun, Prores files (or RAW files) or something more cinematic / anamorphic. The x is WAY more versatile and yes it will cost extra to unlock a lot of this, but if you've got the work then invoice will cover that!😊
If you're tethered to your desk, sure stick with the s5ii.....but if you want a camera that will excel in many more scenarios then you gotta go the BatCam!
The point Anthony is making that the features cost more than just $200 to really utilize them. It's literally in the thousands. Even the Firmware upgrade is $200. All hype talk.
I agree that the s5iix is amazing but I definitely do not agree with “for those that want to earn” comment. The s5ii is fully capable of any client work you need that’s sub 5k and the even bigger productions.
I’ve never once had a client request prores files or genuine raw files (they say raw but they have no idea what they’re asking and they just want the files themselves)
Again, this is why I made this video. To clear up this misconception
Great video. I bought the s5II and an s5 to replace my Nikon z6 cameras. I like having one camera for stills and one for video for those times when I am switching back and forth rapidly, so I have my S5 set for stills primarily and the S5II for video primarily. One of the big issues I found just last night is that to get 6K output to the Ninja you have to go to the raw codec. DISAPPOINTED. I would have been super happy with pro res HQ, but that is not an option, and the file sizes are really large. I don't know how large yet, but they will be really large. Imagine how large they will be when you compound that with all-i modes. For some users this will be great, but for me Raw shooting will be a special occasion, not an everyday thing. I will probably record open gate to the internal card instead.
Thanks for sharing James!
Glad the points resonated with you
Great video. What's the blank you use for the t-shirt and where could I buy it ?
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Thanks Anthony
Ofcourse!
Me había parecido (intuitivamente) que esas razones cargaban la balanza hacia la S5II pero dada la explicación es una decisión tomada. Muchas gracias
Gracias 🙏🏼
Hello @AnthonyRodriguezz , thank you for your nice video. I need your help and I cannot find this information anywhere else!!!!!! At 4:53 on a glimpse, I saw that you use s5ii with sigma mc21 and sigma 24mm f1.4. Can you please tell me how this combo works? I am a hybrid shooter but now I am more interesting on how auto focus (in AFC) works in photography. My combo will be s5ii - mc 21 - sigma 35mm f1.4 and it will be my mane camera in Wedding Photography. If you have other Canon mount lens I would appreciate your opinion about them to. Thank you for your time, I know I may ask a lot but i want to buy this camera (replace my 2x a7iii) and here in Greece I can't test it anywhere 😢
EF lenses work just as they would on a native canon body with the MC-21 adapter
Absolutely valid points, and I don't get the dislikes.
It happens! 🤷🏽♂️
Totally agree!
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@@AnthonyRodriguezz thanks for making this video brother! I think it will be helpful to a lot of people. I shoot on the original S5 with manual focus, very happy with it and don't need raw or PDAF. I need to keep my 💰💰!
@@BenPhanStudios appreciate that man! Thank you!
Thank you for the video. I'm thinking about to get one of these two as my first ever camera. I really like the way the X looks so I think I'm going to go for it. I just wanted to know if I can use the same sdcards in the X that people use in the S5 ii? Or they have to be faster?
You can use the same ones! I’d recommend v60 cards 👌🏼
@@AnthonyRodriguezz thank you ❤️
@@lh1tmaN Ofcourse!
Tbh I shoot canon cinema raw lite on a c200 so files sizes don’t get bigger Lmfaao 😂 i transcode everything but your not wrong about everything else it is kinda crazy but also you can buy the upgraded raw for the s5 ii right ?
This is true, yes!
what windows laptop do you recommend when video editing the highest resolution 6k of this? or what minimum windows laptop specs should i consider editing this 6k?
I honestly wouldn’t know as I don’t shoot on pc laptop and I don’t recommend to.
I’d just get an M1 Pro or an m2 pro. You’re getting much more bang for your buck
The new M1/2 Macs absolutely blow the pc’s out of the water especially if you’re using Resolve.
@@DaneBrammage yup!
With any NLE for that matter!
You forgot to mention that this camera includes all intra recording options internally. So for those of us who have computer's that struggle with big Long GOP files the X is a better choice.
Also, Live Streaming will be useful to some.
Yeah.. I figured most in this industry have powerful machines as it’s pretty much necessary.
If you already have the S5 with all the extra stuff anyway (I do) it's an easy decision. I want it for the improved auto focus. The S5 II doesn't make much sense for 200 bucks difference. You need to record to a SSD on the Sigma FP to get 4K raw it does 1080 raw internally ( I love that camera ). The T7 1TB attaches to the cage and is pretty small.
I understand and see your points!
Good stuff man….
Thanks bro!
Well said! Nice one for Noel jumping on the hype band wagon. Totally agree with what you said
Thanks bro!
got a used s5ii and saved quite a bit of money because of the hype train. surprised so many people are convinced they need prores 4:2:2 or all intra especially since if you decide to get the raw upgrade for the s5ii you get SSD recording, all intra and raw anyways with the ninja v that is basically free with all the money you'd be saving. i came from the panasonic s1 so long gop always worked great for me.
Nice! Smart move 😎
I wouldn’t call it hype, the camera is $2200 Dlls, it’s mind-blowing capable for that money.
But great insight in “the cost” of a RAW workflow.
I don’t disagree with you!
I just think the statement like “you’d be silly to not buy this camera if you primarily shoot video” or “this is the video camera and the s5ii is the hybrid”
Is simply trash… those statement are false and have created hype around a camera that most people feel like they absolutely need when they… won’t even benefit from the features. More so it’d be a headache for them.
I have and love my s5ii! And honestly if the c came out around the time that the s5ii came out, I might’ve purchased that!