@@starbreaker6017 I wonder how many years Skinner was in Vietnam for. While there, he spent 18 months forgotten about in a tiger cage, 2 years wearing that prisoner helmet in internment center, 3 years in a POW camp (living off the stew he mentioned), and was also fighting the battles (when his friend writing a Valentine was shot), and he drove an all terrain vehicle in Da Nang (when he then says he can handle driving the school bus after Otto crashed it)
@@alvexok5523 OK, the three seperate POW experiences were the same thing ,he spent 18months years in a tiger cage, wearing the helmet before being moved out for 6 months, and the stew ws what he was fed teh whole time because it would fit rhought the little bars, since it was his only source of nourishment, its not surprising he idealised it in his mind.
The problem is, that Vietnam Vets are 70 and up, basically. The Simpsons is too old. 30 years old. Bart Simpson would be in his mid 40's now. Skinner would be retired.
The real genius of the original skinner character was to show how much of a disconnect there was between people who were born 10 years apart. Early boomers vs late boomers. Marge and Homer were late boomers. They didn’t have a war to fight in. They were kids during the strife of the 60s. They are blissfully unaware of the greater world and true suffering. Truly lucky. Skinner is an early boomer. And like many men his age, he went to nam. And unlike now, society wanted to forget everything and move on but how can you? Even the old ww2 and Korea vets at the VFW and the legion halls weren’t on good terms with Nam vets for a long time. This strikes a chord for me because growing up in the 90s my dad was a Vietnam vet. Almost all of my friends parents and even my mother were late boomers. The disconnect is real.
You want to know the worst part? Most vets crimes was just being born in the wrong decade, and for that, they had to pay, either with life, or for life.
Yeah man. And look at the current horrible state of these new generations now. All these kids born after 2002 or so are just. Oh man, they have no clue as to how horrible shit used to be or how to respect... Well anyone really.
@@Puppy_Puppington You know, I read an article about a son joining his father in Afghanistan as a soldier. The US is still mired in a conflict that has become multi-generational, while in the middle of a poorly handled pandemic. What exactly are you talking about that leads you to the conclusion that the current generation is in such a horrible state?
I love the little detail of after the weapons dealer says "small world, huh?", he has an expression of sadness on him. Seems like they both were victims of war. If we didn't know about his arm getting torn off from sticking his hand out a bus window, we would assume it was an injury from Vietnam.
@@nightmare674 The explanation comes from one of his first appearances but it's phrased in such a way that you could interpret it in many different ways. Bart asks him how he lost his arm and he replies in a "how do I explain this to a child" kind of way.
i heard that was a retcon and he was originally going to be a battle scarred vet. Even early on they tweaked the show in a few ways, one of the weirder things was Marge was originally going to be a giant rabbit and thats why her hair is like that (to hide her ears), and there was going to be an Itchy and Scratchy style side plot which is why there are classic cartoon mouse holes in some walls of the Simpsons home.
I feel so bad for skinner, he lives with his mom, no one respects him, he has constant Vietnam flashbacks, everyone gives him shit, *and* he has to deal with bart...
@@vincentmalasawmkimajongte7489 It's first-world horseshit propaganda. I had my own space and plenty of freedom living at home well after 18 and paid about a 5th as much in rent and bills as I would have anywhere else here in Australia, and in doing so was able to save up a shit load of money to by all kinds of nice things with.
The torture helmet is my favorite bit of this compilation. Him being so comfortable putting it back on and the "small world" comment being a dual meaning that relates to the torture. I feel like the military supply salesman could have totally gotten the role for these jokes, but giving these bits to the high school principle is so much better to me.
@Mvader 71 my mom back when she was in high school had an edge lord Cotton Hill type teacher who served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. He carried several swords with him at all times.
I love the Apocalypse Now reference at 2:36. Everything down to Skinner caressing his shaved face with the knife and observing Kurtz's dossier, to Willard's dogtags, to Johnny looking somewhat similar to Lance. All and all it makes for the perfect parody, while also humanizing Skinner somewhat.
Skinner plays this amazing role as a Vietnam veteran he at first glance would be just seen as some principle but in reality he’s like everyone else that was drafted they fought and were treated horribly if they made it back alive so the fact Skinner isn’t some obvious jacked badass that’s actually just another person who fought and we’re screwed by the government but at the same time can completely obliterate anyone in his way is quite an interesting character role
@@operation1968Like WWI, it was seen as fun adventure and honorable to go to war and most of the baby boomers had their parents serve in WWII so that generation grew up w/ tales of their parents fighting evil and winning. And mind you they grew up in a black and white era during the early Cold War where the United States were the good guys and communists the villains, and it was explained that poor ‘democratic’ South Vietnam was under siege by communists so it was America’s obligation to defend freedom there. And before it devolved into the quagmire it was it looked like a winnable easy war for the most advanced military on the planet.
Characters such as Skinner with their all too human failings and life experiences are what made "The Simpsons" great as it skillfully skirted the line between entertainment for children / adults. How many other animated series can you think of that even mentioned the Vietnam War?? You won't see this in Disney or the Flintstones.
I agree with you wholeheartedly about the Simpsons, but there is another animated series that mentioned Vietnam. American Dad had a Vietnam War reenactment episode. ruclips.net/video/BeMsJsTWr-s/видео.html
For a lawyer who works for Disney, he should have known better than to touch someone in a threatening manner. That was self defence 100% in Skinner's favour. Well, against the lawyer at least.
1:33 I miss this bad ass Skinner, the kind we got in the golden age. Yes, he was a teacher at an elementary school, but he also showed glimpses of his time in the armed forces, and it was honestly great to see. It's a shame in later series they really swerved hard into the Skinner and his Mother bit.
"We all had a good laugh, even though I didn't quite understand it.. " The way his eyes perk up in reflection like he still doesn't get the joke is bloody hilarious.
Because there’s a strange respect between the 2. Skinner needs Bart doing what he dose as much as Bart needs Skinner to have someone to feel like he’s opposing
Because in the end, despite all this, Skinner is trying to help Bart and despite being seen as the antagonist, Skinner is really the good guy trying to help a problem child with attitude issues become successful. If Bart took half his energy and weird stunts and put it towards learning he could be incredibly smart. Skinner sees that in him and is trying to help him have a real future in life if he can get over his attitude issue. Skinner used to be a rebel himself and sees himself in Bart. He sees the untapped potential. He ultimately became a teacher and principle to help kids.
Jane Fonda is an actress who has been very politically active through her life. Her anti vietnam protests and ties with French communist movements lead to many accusations of her being a red herself.
Skinner (Season 1-8): The perfect opposite to Bart who was for high authority and discipline. He would set out to do what ever he thought was right and had a darker side (seen in this video) Season 9-onwards: A wimp who shows up occasionally, who is normally whipped by his mother and can't get a hold on everything
Stfu. Just because they're considering the best seasons doesn't mean that his personality has changed. He was still a wimp in 1-8 and he was still disciplined in 9-onwards. His personality has stayed equal between both aspects in which you've stated so stop acting like it hasn't.
@@bullymaguire2988 Supposedly there was a bit of outrage (people wrote in to the show) about the portrayal of Skinner as a somewhat-unstable Nam vet, and in trying to keep the show PC, they dropped his Nam backstory. Real shame as I find this version much more amusing.
@@Vailnite Eh, isn't that the writer's excuse for everything? They can't come up with new impactful jokes so they can try different takes and annoy the fans, keep repeating older jokes or kill off the character/trope. If anyone complains they tell us that someone sent a letter or something. To me they receive letters either way but want a way out.
I just realized why Johnny was the only one attacked, look at Skinner and his PT Crew: The black one was behind the gun shield for the cannon, the other was leaning against the railing of the boat, and Skinner was behind that curved wall. They were all obscured from enemy fire.
I realized a while ago that the location makes no sense. Da Nang is right on the coast of Vietnam and several provinces from the Mekong Delta which was further south. It was also the most important city in the central lowlands so the Geography is off. Also on a related note is called a PBR. A PT was a US Navy operated WWII-era wooden boat built for use on the open ocean and armed with torpedoes. The PBR was a fiberglass boat made for patrolling the Mekong Delta and was operated by the Mobile Riverine Force, which was a joint Army-Navy unit along supporting Special Forces like the Green Berets, Navy SEALs and MACV-SOG.
Funny that Bart despite everything respects skinner, even helps him with his relationship with Edna. Shows that back then they cared enough to make their characters have arcs.
I still laugh at the valetine flashback just because of the emphasis of how the bullets went through his valentines paper heart and his own real one with extreme accuracy.
If you use that logic Homer and Marge would be in their 60s, Lisa would be 37, Bart 39 and Maggie around 32. Simspons started in 1989 (practically 1990 since only one episode aired in 89) meaning Skinner is likely in his mid 40s.
One big irony of The Simpsons is that this man is so susceptible to PTSD at the drop of a hat yet he is the leader of an elementary school where children's minds are completely malleable
I love how everyone in the comments section has universally decided to ignore the existence of “The Principal and the Pauper.” Really does give me hope for the human race.
Heck even that episode can't Mar Skinner. Nowhere in any flashbacks was he referred to as "Skinner". Closest would be "Sarge" or "Sargent", but no "Skinner".
Principal and the Pauper is an intentionally non-canon episode. The main problem is the joke is partly how stupid fans apparently are for giving a crap about these cartoon characters. It’s an interesting statement for the show to be making though. Tearing down its own edifice for the sake of satire. Poking fun at the very idea of fiction.
So, if we go off of this, we can assume that Skinner got captured, held for 18 months, then possibily traded back to the states, got captured again, possibly escaped only to get captured a third time and held for three years...
@Iafiv Iv Considering we saw an elephant eat one of his squadmates (And, according to Skinner, the elephant devoured his entire unit) those flashbacks are not supossed to be accurate in the least.
Something that I feel doesn't get enough credit in classic Simpsons: the sound effects are solid gold. The sound of impact from the briefcase Skinner hurls at the thug's head never fails to make me grin Also, the natural and smooth placement of references (24601 is also the prison number of Jean Valjean, protagonist of Victor Hugo's novel "Les Miserables" and its well-known musical adaptation)
If you watch it in order it makes sense like this 2:42 Skinners Vietnam Adventure Starts on the Mekong Delta 3:05 the Story of his Capture in Nam 4:23 his time as a POW 2:07 sees his Iron mask from the Vietcong ReEducation Center 0:44 talks about his treatment as a Pow 0:24 Saw his treatment from Society when he came home. 3:42 Shows Bart his old Unit from the War
Not really a Nam flashback but this video doesn't have this dark moment: Lisa: Principal Skinner, remember when I didn't sue when I found that scorpion in my applesauce? Well, I'm calling in a favor. Skinner: I knew this day would come.
@@ytbghost1233 There's no deeper meaning to it. It's just as it goes. Skinner knew Lisa wouldn't keep quiet about the scorpion unless it worked in her favor, so he waited until she brought it up to use him
I feel so bad for Skinner, going through so much for your country and then come out trying to integrate with a world outside of the war that takes its soldiers for granted.
@@robertolopez9483 Vietnam wasnt a war really worth to be in i think we can understand the difference its not a matter of ungratefulness always its also a matter of people seeing Nam as a pointless war getting young men killed when we had just fought another around the same thing in Korea and just before that had gotten through the largest conflict the world ever saw.
@@chandllerburse737Except it wasn’t just before. The US didn’t start sending troops until the USS Maddox was attacked in 1965. The Korean War ended with an Armistice in 1953. Also many liberals (i.e. the people who were anti-Vietnam) supported the Korean War because it was Sanctioned by the United Nations as a police action.
this is the seymour skinner i know and love. he can go from being goofy and stiff to being dark and tortured in a heartbeat. then..........THAT episode happened.
The Tamzarian episode isn't what ruined his character. Granted, I never liked the idea of Skinner being someone else, but it was written with infinitely more tact than any episode of the last 15 years. What ruined Skinner's character is the same thing that ruined the rest of the show: franchise fatigue and a dearth of talented writers.
What’s sad is that while that is a terrible episode by the peak Simpson standards it’s a friggin masterpiece by comparison of the shows from really season 12 on..
My old principal back in school was an ex army sarge and he genuinely looked like Skinner. The nam scenes were always what I thought about whenever I spoke to him or seen him.
I hope everyone got the Principal Kohoutek joke. The comet was discovered by and named after Luboš Kohoutek at the Hamburg Observatory on 18 March 1973.
So Skinner is a deadly killing machine yet gets always tricked by Bart's jokes against him? This just shows how kind-hearted Skinner is, it is evident that he would never harm a kid, regardless of how pestiferous the kid is.. Good boy Skinner!
I try to show these to my dad (he watched the first few seasons with me when I was like 5-8)...but as a Vietnam vet he doesn’t find the flashbacks funny. Guess the struggle was real. The stories I’ve heard from his platoon are pretty gnarly though, so in a way I kinda get it.
God damn.... how much time did Skinner spend in a Vietcong prison camp? 18 months in a tiger cage 2 years wearing prisoner 24601 helmet in an internment center 3 years in a POW camp
I sure miss watching the Simpson's in the early 90s, that was a great simple time and the humor was perfect for kids and adults. Dad would laugh his butt off at Skinmers Vietnam flashbacks and that episode when Skinner was chasing Bart and crossed that river like it was nothing my dad yelled SPECIAL FORCES! Miss ya dad
“Small world uh?” - In Skinner’s case quite literally, multiple segmented years of his life were spent in a small space where only a handful of basic survival necessities were given to him when his abductees saw fit to only after torturing him beforehand.
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We forget that the only thing stopping Skinner from literally killing Bart is his professionalism
Also Edna.
@@jbiehlable: But Edna is dead. Does this mean Skinner will go Rambo? 🤔
@@hawkeye5955 Oh dear..
@@hawkeye5955His memory of her is still alive, just like poor Johnny
A man of duty.
Skinner’s PTSD is both depressing and hilarious.
Johnny johnnnnnnnyy
@@starbreaker6017 Cooool I broke his brain
@@starbreaker6017 I wonder how many years Skinner was in Vietnam for. While there, he spent 18 months forgotten about in a tiger cage, 2 years wearing that prisoner helmet in internment center, 3 years in a POW camp (living off the stew he mentioned), and was also fighting the battles (when his friend writing a Valentine was shot), and he drove an all terrain vehicle in Da Nang (when he then says he can handle driving the school bus after Otto crashed it)
@@alvexok5523 all plausible the US was involved in Vietnam for about 8 years.
@@alvexok5523 OK, the three seperate POW experiences were the same thing ,he spent 18months years in a tiger cage, wearing the helmet before being moved out for 6 months, and the stew ws what he was fed teh whole time because it would fit rhought the little bars, since it was his only source of nourishment, its not surprising he idealised it in his mind.
That "just can't get the spices right" line gets me every time. Love it.
nah it has to be get back to the candy bar, or that elephant ate my entire platoon
That stew did sound kinda tasty
@@RichardWFE the elephant ones a banger but the misdirection with the spices tops it
My dad is a Vietnam vet with some PTSD. I showed him that clip and he really got a good laugh at it.
The problem is, that Vietnam Vets are 70 and up, basically. The Simpsons is too old. 30 years old. Bart Simpson would be in his mid 40's now. Skinner would be retired.
The real genius of the original skinner character was to show how much of a disconnect there was between people who were born 10 years apart. Early boomers vs late boomers.
Marge and Homer were late boomers. They didn’t have a war to fight in. They were kids during the strife of the 60s. They are blissfully unaware of the greater world and true suffering. Truly lucky.
Skinner is an early boomer. And like many men his age, he went to nam. And unlike now, society wanted to forget everything and move on but how can you? Even the old ww2 and Korea vets at the VFW and the legion halls weren’t on good terms with Nam vets for a long time.
This strikes a chord for me because growing up in the 90s my dad was a Vietnam vet. Almost all of my friends parents and even my mother were late boomers. The disconnect is real.
Machine Head fuck you
You want to know the worst part? Most vets crimes was just being born in the wrong decade, and for that, they had to pay, either with life, or for life.
Yeah man. And look at the current horrible state of these new generations now. All these kids born after 2002 or so are just. Oh man, they have no clue as to how horrible shit used to be or how to respect... Well anyone really.
@@Puppy_Puppington You know, I read an article about a son joining his father in Afghanistan as a soldier. The US is still mired in a conflict that has become multi-generational, while in the middle of a poorly handled pandemic. What exactly are you talking about that leads you to the conclusion that the current generation is in such a horrible state?
*gasp* it’s rusty shackleford !
"Oh, I'm used to the government betraying me. I was in NAM. *I SERVED FOR THRE-"*
No need to, skeet! His tone is so fucking funny! Oh my god so funny...
Uh, thank you, Skinner, we get the picture.
Hahaha 🤣 poor skinner
I felt sad for him.
E YEARS IN A POW CAMP!
This is the Skinner I miss.
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What’s different now?
I miss when he was a badass dork, not just a dork.
This is the Simpsons I miss
@@mariahwhitneycelinejanetmadona Now he's a vet of the gulf war and grandpa is the nam vet.
I love the little detail of after the weapons dealer says "small world, huh?", he has an expression of sadness on him. Seems like they both were victims of war. If we didn't know about his arm getting torn off from sticking his hand out a bus window, we would assume it was an injury from Vietnam.
That's a terrible retcon. I hate when they throw away interesting background details for a joke.
@@nightmare674 The explanation comes from one of his first appearances but it's phrased in such a way that you could interpret it in many different ways. Bart asks him how he lost his arm and he replies in a "how do I explain this to a child" kind of way.
i never noticed herman’s expression until you mentioned it. the simpsons has amazing details.
i heard that was a retcon and he was originally going to be a battle scarred vet. Even early on they tweaked the show in a few ways, one of the weirder things was Marge was originally going to be a giant rabbit and thats why her hair is like that (to hide her ears), and there was going to be an Itchy and Scratchy style side plot which is why there are classic cartoon mouse holes in some walls of the Simpsons home.
@@arthas640when you play The Simpson arcade game you can see her rabbit ears when she gets electrocuted.
I feel so bad for skinner, he lives with his mom, no one respects him, he has constant Vietnam flashbacks, everyone gives him shit, *and* he has to deal with bart...
I don't get why Americans view living with your parents as being a failure.
@@vincentmalasawmkimajongte7489 the point is that she’s abusive
@@vincentmalasawmkimajongte7489 A country whose heart is made of consumerism needs people moving out. More households, more stuff people have to buy
@@vincentmalasawmkimajongte7489 It's first-world horseshit propaganda. I had my own space and plenty of freedom living at home well after 18 and paid about a 5th as much in rent and bills as I would have anywhere else here in Australia, and in doing so was able to save up a shit load of money to by all kinds of nice things with.
And he was a virgin in his 40s
"Dont worry they'll forget. Just like they forgot me in that tiger cage for 18 months"
Every night I wake up SCREAMING!
@@Phitsamay79 Well, let's meet your classmates!
I went what the f
18 agonizing months..
Thats the best one lol
Everytime he mentions his time in a POW camp, his internment gets longer. 18months, 2yrs, 3yrs.
@A D LEL
He kept reenlisting and he kept getting captured that's what I been hearing 🇺🇸😂
Matthew Lee he spent a total of 6 years 6 months imprisoned if that’s the case
@@hoopsonwheels I mean maybe so. Some of those POWs were there for a damn long while...
MMBNMalternateaccoun that’s a possibility
"You made a big mistake, Skinner"
"Well, so did you. You got an ex-green beret mad..."
Ngl, that was high key badass
Copy right expired
If only there were more Skinners...
Skinner was so badass. Now he looks like a regular school principal
never mess with a vietnam veteran
*immediate throat chop*
"...him and that little boy of his"
So dark yet hilarious!
Anyway!
Bruh I was like "bro wtf!?" Classic dark Skinner though.....
He grew up with an abusive mother and had to serve in the Vietnam war? No wonder Skinner is so screwed up.
Like mother, like son.
Well Armin Tamzarian and all that
He didn’t grow up with an abusive mother Agnes isn’t even his Biological mother he grew up in the streets
The retcon of his life was one of the biggest mistake that Simpson has made.
I thought skinner took skinners place and wasn't really the son of Agnes plus he had a sweet chopper
I love it when he talks about his experience in the war the room gets dark and his voice is spot on 🤣
Haha and the Asian music
Elias Escobedo how about the elephant wearing the Asian boat hat? 😂
lol the contrast between the darkness/brooding he does and then him acting normal again is too funny
Swanscrossingfan I love the Asian flute in the background especially when he speaks about his war encounter/experience and it gets intense.
The very sad thing, it's that this kind of flashbacks are the reality of many veterans from war
The torture helmet is my favorite bit of this compilation.
Him being so comfortable putting it back on and the "small world" comment being a dual meaning that relates to the torture.
I feel like the military supply salesman could have totally gotten the role for these jokes, but giving these bits to the high school principle is so much better to me.
24601 is also the prisoner number for the prisoner in Le miserables. The writers get in little odd connections.
“Let’s make a break for it while the guards party with Jane Fonda…”, hits the nail squarely on the head. Great line.
Facts basically
Had to google why, did not know she opposed the war openly LOL
To think on the intercom all they heard was Valentine's days was no joke then 4 minutes later he yells Johnny
Who is Johnny?
Johnny...Johnny?! JOHNNNYYYYYY!!
Weird that there aren't references to Jesus' corpse or Golden Ratio
@@jrnjvan1172 Thanks for the tip...
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap.
I like to think he told them the story
This is why willy respects principal Skinner. He knows that skinner been through hell. And hell is nothing to this man.
And yet he still makes better mulch than a man.
"Willy hears ya'. Willy don't care."
@@scribejay
Do not touch Willy" .. Good advice"
Easily the best-written side character in the show. His lore is better than any other character.
I had a elementary principal like skinner. Over the years, I discovered I was not the only one,..
@Mvader 71 my mom back when she was in high school had an edge lord Cotton Hill type teacher who served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. He carried several swords with him at all times.
Hans Moleman says hi.
I love the Apocalypse Now reference at 2:36. Everything down to Skinner caressing his shaved face with the knife and observing Kurtz's dossier, to Willard's dogtags, to Johnny looking somewhat similar to Lance. All and all it makes for the perfect parody, while also humanizing Skinner somewhat.
And "chef" in the background too...
And clean!
I forget the name of the character, hanging off the turret barrel.
@@fireworksfanatics2777Laurence Fishburne
Except Lance survives.
Skinner has the most Depth as a character, ironically.
How is that Ironic?
Pelcogo because he’s often presented as a very surface level boring dude as the principal. In reality he’s lived a crazy life.
Same with apu, it’s a bait and switch.
@@destroyerblackdragon I figured it's cause his name was 'Skinner'. Skin. Skin deep? Maybe I'm looking too far into cutaneous word-play.
@@alexwhite3232 That would be Mr. Burns.
Can we get skinner to deal with RUclips's copyright strikes?
The ironic moment when Disney now owns the subsidiaries from Fox that actually produce and broadcast the Simpsons.....
He was in nam
Tumbleflop YES!!
;~;
“You just angered an ex green beret”
Skinner plays this amazing role as a Vietnam veteran he at first glance would be just seen as some principle but in reality he’s like everyone else that was drafted they fought and were treated horribly if they made it back alive so the fact Skinner isn’t some obvious jacked badass that’s actually just another person who fought and we’re screwed by the government but at the same time can completely obliterate anyone in his way is quite an interesting character role
He wasn’t drafted, he was an officer and a green beret.
@CGonzales033 He was a sergeant, not an officer. And besides that, only one third of men who fought in Vietnam were draftees.
@@konstantinosnikolakakis8125So you mean to tell me that two thirds of them went there volunteerily? Doesn't make much sense to me 🤔
@@operation1968Like WWI, it was seen as fun adventure and honorable to go to war and most of the baby boomers had their parents serve in WWII so that generation grew up w/ tales of their parents fighting evil and winning. And mind you they grew up in a black and white era during the early Cold War where the United States were the good guys and communists the villains, and it was explained that poor ‘democratic’ South Vietnam was under siege by communists so it was America’s obligation to defend freedom there. And before it devolved into the quagmire it was it looked like a winnable easy war for the most advanced military on the planet.
@@BarberJ95 Hmmm 🤔
Characters such as Skinner with their all too human failings and life experiences are what made "The Simpsons" great as it skillfully skirted the line between entertainment for children / adults. How many other animated series can you think of that even mentioned the Vietnam War?? You won't see this in Disney or the Flintstones.
I agree with you wholeheartedly about the Simpsons, but there is another animated series that mentioned Vietnam. American Dad had a Vietnam War reenactment episode. ruclips.net/video/BeMsJsTWr-s/видео.html
@@roselandpetals TBF, American Dad is aimed at a more teen/adult audience than the Simpsons typically is.
The Flintstones was around before we got involved with Vietnam.
Venetian blinds seem to trigger Skinner's Vietnam flashbacks.
Reminds me of the start of Apocalypse now when he looks out the blinds " Saigon, I was still back in Saigon"
@@ianharrh Maybe that's the reference? Idk.
What's that mother? Well, I have the right to be here. It's school business.
Probably because the light pouring in from them look like the light pouring in from the POW helmet, as well as the bamboo/reed cages.
@@louistournas120 "That sailor suit doesn't fit anymore!"
“But they- JUST CANT GET THE SPICES RIGHT!” 💀
HOW CRUEL!
@@BPKPhoenix no no, it’s gruel….gruel
😂
@@FN_FAL_4_everIt sounds more like a curry
@@carlycrays2831 No, it was a thin stew made of fish, vegetables, prawns, coconut milk...and four kinds of rice.
I used to laugh at Skinners outbursts of PTSD, nowadays they just make me feel sorry for him. :(
4:06 I love how the moon goes behind clouds right as he implies he did something very dark
"That elephant ate my entire platoon"
Subsaibot2526 i just love that the elephant is wearing a boat hat hahah
Boatmurdered flashback
@@ioangogov2993 No dorfs allowed
Where’s your pfp from
@@Leminies corpse party I think?
For a lawyer who works for Disney, he should have known better than to touch someone in a threatening manner. That was self defence 100% in Skinner's favour. Well, against the lawyer at least.
The other two men there can be considered intimidation.
Skinner was a big threat to Disney that they decide to buy the entire company that own the Simpsons to shut him up
He also didn't do the "Disney Point." That guy is a complete phony.
He also doesn't know the difference between copyright and trademark
@faresfares-ultra every night disney owners wake up screaming
1:33 I miss this bad ass Skinner, the kind we got in the golden age. Yes, he was a teacher at an elementary school, but he also showed glimpses of his time in the armed forces, and it was honestly great to see. It's a shame in later series they really swerved hard into the Skinner and his Mother bit.
Love the bitterness with which he says, "Four kinds of rice".
"We all had a good laugh, even though I didn't quite understand it.. "
The way his eyes perk up in reflection like he still doesn't get the joke is bloody hilarious.
I love how he says prawns probably just his American accent
I laugh so hard every time at that
In the latin american translation he says "I didn't get it, and I still don't"
@@nemou4985 garbage language
@@user-qb9ex8hc9o Keep your xenophobia to yourself and stick it where the Sun doesn't shine.
4:42 How nice of the Vietnamese to give their elephant a hat.
VC bamboo hat
You are laughing, a man lost his entire platoon and you are laughing
@@hannibalburgers477 I was not laughing, merely noticing that the Vietnamese were being surprisingly empathetic to their animals.
Well yeah, that elephant was an officer
@@RamdomView of course they would, that’s their home 🤣
So Skinner is a cross between Rambo and Norman Bates. I still don’t get why Barts still alive
I mean if sideshow bob can't kill him then why would skinner.
Professionals have standards.
Because there’s a strange respect between the 2. Skinner needs Bart doing what he dose as much as Bart needs Skinner to have someone to feel like he’s opposing
Because he’s not a psychopath like Norman Bates? He’s a veteran turned teacher.
Because in the end, despite all this, Skinner is trying to help Bart and despite being seen as the antagonist, Skinner is really the good guy trying to help a problem child with attitude issues become successful. If Bart took half his energy and weird stunts and put it towards learning he could be incredibly smart. Skinner sees that in him and is trying to help him have a real future in life if he can get over his attitude issue. Skinner used to be a rebel himself and sees himself in Bart. He sees the untapped potential.
He ultimately became a teacher and principle to help kids.
"Let's escape while the guards are partying with Jane Fonda!" You'll never hear a gag like that again.
Jane Fonda is a traitor to the nation.
I dont get it.
Jane Fonda is an actress who has been very politically active through her life. Her anti vietnam protests and ties with French communist movements lead to many accusations of her being a red herself.
@@DokturProfesur Turned out she was completely right.
@@bmsuperstar1 ? No, she was a filthy commie. Should have been tried for treason.
Skinner (Season 1-8): The perfect opposite to Bart who was for high authority and discipline. He would set out to do what ever he thought was right and had a darker side (seen in this video)
Season 9-onwards: A wimp who shows up occasionally, who is normally whipped by his mother and can't get a hold on everything
True but on the other hand you gotta sympathize with the guy due to his past. War ain't fun
Stfu. Just because they're considering the best seasons doesn't mean that his personality has changed. He was still a wimp in 1-8 and he was still disciplined in 9-onwards. His personality has stayed equal between both aspects in which you've stated so stop acting like it hasn't.
@@bullymaguire2988 Supposedly there was a bit of outrage (people wrote in to the show) about the portrayal of Skinner as a somewhat-unstable Nam vet, and in trying to keep the show PC, they dropped his Nam backstory. Real shame as I find this version much more amusing.
@@Vailnite Eh, isn't that the writer's excuse for everything? They can't come up with new impactful jokes so they can try different takes and annoy the fans, keep repeating older jokes or kill off the character/trope. If anyone complains they tell us that someone sent a letter or something. To me they receive letters either way but want a way out.
@@Vailnite the Nam backstory just doesn't make sense anymore. Skinner would long be at retirement age now if he actually had been in the Vietnam War
2:41 photo of handsome squidward
LMAO
"Mother, that sailor suit doesn't fit me anymore!" always makes me laugh and then feel weird for some reason.
Also the scene is a reference to Alfred Hitchcocks "Psycho"and not a Vietnam scene.
2:03 This man is a hero.
"Oh, there's mother now".
Watching me
What's that mother? I have a right to be here..
It's school business
"I.....Mother that sailor suit doesn't fit anymore!!!"
Whats that mother, but i don't want to wear that sailor suit, it does'nt fit anymore
1:35 this scene has now become ironic as fox is owned by disney.
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I just realized why Johnny was the only one attacked, look at Skinner and his PT Crew: The black one was behind the gun shield for the cannon, the other was leaning against the railing of the boat, and Skinner was behind that curved wall. They were all obscured from enemy fire.
I realized a while ago that the location makes no sense. Da Nang is right on the coast of Vietnam and several provinces from the Mekong Delta which was further south. It was also the most important city in the central lowlands so the Geography is off. Also on a related note is called a PBR. A PT was a US Navy operated WWII-era wooden boat built for use on the open ocean and armed with torpedoes. The PBR was a fiberglass boat made for patrolling the Mekong Delta and was operated by the Mobile Riverine Force, which was a joint Army-Navy unit along supporting Special Forces like the Green Berets, Navy SEALs and MACV-SOG.
Funny that Bart despite everything respects skinner, even helps him with his relationship with Edna. Shows that back then they cared enough to make their characters have arcs.
“Johnny? Johnny? JOHNNNNYYYY!”
Cool I broke his brain.
"cool I broke his brain"
PTSD SKINNER>>>>>>
Post traumatic skinner disorder
@@CornholioPuppetMaster yes
2:18 seeing Herman showing sympathy towards Skinner just with his expression.. oof.
I always loved the fact that Herman had a nuclear bomb(for sale no less)...
"copyright expired" gonna love skinner badass moments
Love how the cloud in the background naturally darkens the scene at 4:06
i love little details like that
That's what makes the scene so perfect.
"I got back at him though... him and that little boy of his."
genuinely genius move by the artists back there
Is the prisoner 24601 a reference to Les Miserables?
That reference was lost on me lol
Yep.
4:02 I like how the cloud covered the moon during his monologue, and right when he finished the moon reappears.
I still laugh at the valetine flashback just because of the emphasis of how the bullets went through his valentines paper heart and his own real one with extreme accuracy.
JOHNNY!!!!!!!!!!!
Cool, I broke his brain
Johnny
JOHNNY
JOOOOOOHHHHHNNNYYYYYYYYY
who shot him?!!
@@LeftyPencil The Vietcong
"Cool I broke his brain!"
I was hoping for the scene when the Army recruiter asked “how about re-enlisting?” “How about you bite me?”
he should have said "how about you eat my shorts"
2:41 young Skinner is so handsome, even though his a cartoon character.
Dude I completely agree with you lmao, AT LEAST FOR A SIMPSONS CHARACTER PFFFTTT
I think all but few guys in Simpsons are handsome including Skinner.
Look at the photo though
@@d283jdsk2 colonel kurtz
He's also a Green Beret
The fact that Skinner has never gone mad and went on a killing-spree in Springfield. Speaks volumes about his character 😅
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“Copyright... Expired.” Badass!
“Johnny. 😳 JOHNNY. 😟 JOHNNYYYYYYYYYYYY! 😫”
2:57 this scene is probably my favourite joke in the entire history of the show, the lead up is just perfect
the lead up is depressing
@@cellP8 I'm english, we find humour in misery,
The way he snaps out of his flashbacks at the blinds gets me every time. 😂
" I got back at him though, him and that little boy of his"
If Skinner served in nam, he must be at least 70
If you use that logic Homer and Marge would be in their 60s, Lisa would be 37, Bart 39 and Maggie around 32. Simspons started in 1989 (practically 1990 since only one episode aired in 89) meaning Skinner is likely in his mid 40s.
@@RandomDude-bo1lg wtf lol? theres no indian here, why you mad fam
@@RandomDude-bo1lg pewdiepie fan
At least 60 I would say (because the Vietnam War ended in 1975, 1975-16= 1959), but this episode doesn't play today.
my dad served the war during the end of it. He's just a little bit over 80 now
One big irony of The Simpsons is that this man is so susceptible to PTSD at the drop of a hat yet he is the leader of an elementary school where children's minds are completely malleable
I love how everyone in the comments section has universally decided to ignore the existence of “The Principal and the Pauper.” Really does give me hope for the human race.
Heck even that episode can't Mar Skinner. Nowhere in any flashbacks was he referred to as "Skinner". Closest would be "Sarge" or "Sargent", but no "Skinner".
We don't ever mention it under the penalty of torture
Not me. I actually love The Principal And The Pauper, I think it's a really well thought out subversive satire.
Principal and the Pauper is an intentionally non-canon episode. The main problem is the joke is partly how stupid fans apparently are for giving a crap about these cartoon characters. It’s an interesting statement for the show to be making though. Tearing down its own edifice for the sake of satire. Poking fun at the very idea of fiction.
@@kisbie you sound like you wrote episode
So, if we go off of this, we can assume that Skinner got captured, held for 18 months, then possibily traded back to the states, got captured again, possibly escaped only to get captured a third time and held for three years...
His military track record may seem imoressively dark
Lmao wouldn't be surprised if he had bumbed into Mason and the gang
@Iafiv Iv
Considering we saw an elephant eat one of his squadmates (And, according to Skinner, the elephant devoured his entire unit) those flashbacks are not supossed to be accurate in the least.
@@user-unos111 BUT IT HAD A HAT AND EVERYTHING!
@@NIDELLANEUM funny enough this dude even ain't the real skinner
I got back at him though..
Man that is SPOT ON.
The voice, the dark clouds, eery music..
Something that I feel doesn't get enough credit in classic Simpsons: the sound effects are solid gold. The sound of impact from the briefcase Skinner hurls at the thug's head never fails to make me grin
Also, the natural and smooth placement of references (24601 is also the prison number of Jean Valjean, protagonist of Victor Hugo's novel "Les Miserables" and its well-known musical adaptation)
If you watch it in order it makes sense like this
2:42 Skinners Vietnam Adventure Starts on the Mekong Delta
3:05 the Story of his Capture in Nam
4:23 his time as a POW
2:07 sees his Iron mask from the Vietcong ReEducation Center
0:44 talks about his treatment as a Pow
0:24 Saw his treatment from Society when he came home.
3:42 Shows Bart his old Unit from the War
He was also present for the Fall of Saigon
Well the opening caption say it was Da Nang which fairly far away from the Mekong Delta.
Not really a Nam flashback but this video doesn't have this dark moment:
Lisa: Principal Skinner, remember when I didn't sue when I found that scorpion in my applesauce? Well, I'm calling in a favor.
Skinner: I knew this day would come.
Might someone explain me in what is this quote a dark moment??? I don’t get it
Which episode?
@@ytbghost1233 There's no deeper meaning to it. It's just as it goes. Skinner knew Lisa wouldn't keep quiet about the scorpion unless it worked in her favor, so he waited until she brought it up to use him
@@forthelasttime4005 thank you!
@@karlbenito9992 "Lisa the skeptic"
I feel so bad for Skinner, going through so much for your country and then come out trying to integrate with a world outside of the war that takes its soldiers for granted.
That’s why we don’t win wars no more
Worse still, a word that wants nothing to do with you
* war criminals
@@robertolopez9483 Vietnam wasnt a war really worth to be in i think we can understand the difference its not a matter of ungratefulness always its also a matter of people seeing Nam as a pointless war getting young men killed when we had just fought another around the same thing in Korea and just before that had gotten through the largest conflict the world ever saw.
@@chandllerburse737Except it wasn’t just before. The US didn’t start sending troops until the USS Maddox was attacked in 1965. The Korean War ended with an Armistice in 1953. Also many liberals (i.e. the people who were anti-Vietnam) supported the Korean War because it was Sanctioned by the United Nations as a police action.
This is why classic Simpsons is gold, the attention to detail in the secondary characters is what gave the show its essence.
this is the seymour skinner i know and love. he can go from being goofy and stiff to being dark and tortured in a heartbeat.
then..........THAT episode happened.
The Tamzarian episode isn't what ruined his character. Granted, I never liked the idea of Skinner being someone else, but it was written with infinitely more tact than any episode of the last 15 years.
What ruined Skinner's character is the same thing that ruined the rest of the show: franchise fatigue and a dearth of talented writers.
@@johnhorne3052 we can agree to disagree.
He's right, the Tamzarian episode wasn't the one that turned Skinner into a colossal wimp, there's no such indication.
What’s sad is that while that is a terrible episode by the peak Simpson standards it’s a friggin masterpiece by comparison of the shows from really season 12 on..
"That elephant ate my entire platoon" LOL
How is that possible? Elephants don't eat people in real life!
"Copyright expired."
My old principal back in school was an ex army sarge and he genuinely looked like Skinner. The nam scenes were always what I thought about whenever I spoke to him or seen him.
That's badass
I hope everyone got the Principal Kohoutek joke. The comet was discovered by and named after Luboš Kohoutek at the Hamburg Observatory on 18 March 1973.
He probably had enough of Vietnam stealing his Steamed Hams
and Aurora Borealis, TOO.
Despite the fact that they are obviously grilled
The things principal skinner has seen we will never know
I like how Skinner's time as a POW get's longer every time he mentions it.
My Old Man was a Vietnam veteran. He did two tours as a Combat Engineer in the US Marine Corp.
I like how Skinner was a real bad ass, ex green beret
MOTHER THAT SAILOR SUIT DOESN'T FIT ANYMORE!!
So Skinner is a deadly killing machine yet gets always tricked by Bart's jokes against him? This just shows how kind-hearted Skinner is, it is evident that he would never harm a kid, regardless of how pestiferous the kid is.. Good boy Skinner!
"that elephant ate my entire platoon" always get me 🤣
I try to show these to my dad (he watched the first few seasons with me when I was like 5-8)...but as a Vietnam vet he doesn’t find the flashbacks funny. Guess the struggle was real. The stories I’ve heard from his platoon are pretty gnarly though, so in a way I kinda get it.
1:57 No one ever did find there bodies
God damn.... how much time did Skinner spend in a Vietcong prison camp?
18 months in a tiger cage
2 years wearing prisoner 24601 helmet in an internment center
3 years in a POW camp
Wow seeing Skinner beat those guys up no problem was just wow. And at a start of a episode. Skinner is one mad lad. First is Rambo and then Skinner.
I love how the adults in charge always share their darkest moments with the little kids.
Cause they know the kids won’t judge them
@@DylanDkoh What kids have you met? Kids judge adults all the time.
As time passes, the direction got worse and the jokes more point less. Recently they even show him older instead of younger in nam
In 2021 makes no sense for him to be in Vietnam by 1968, Skinner would be in his 70's and already retired.
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Disney: 'Ya we will just own you now'
The man eating elephant lives in my nightmares
Better than the man-graping elephant.
😳🐘
I sure miss watching the Simpson's in the early 90s, that was a great simple time and the humor was perfect for kids and adults. Dad would laugh his butt off at Skinmers Vietnam flashbacks and that episode when Skinner was chasing Bart and crossed that river like it was nothing my dad yelled SPECIAL FORCES! Miss ya dad
Classic!👌
The whole Tamzarian story doesn't even makes sense when you realize that Agnes has Skinner's childhood clothes.
Making Skinner be a whipped mama's boy and yet somehow a PTSD riddled Vietnam veteran with the skills of Rambo was genius.
I like how much of a badass Skinner is when he needs to be.
I miss the old Simpson’s. Nowadays they turned into a self parody of what they were, happens when a show goes on for longer than it should
“Small world uh?” - In Skinner’s case quite literally, multiple segmented years of his life were spent in a small space where only a handful of basic survival necessities were given to him when his abductees saw fit to only after torturing him beforehand.
Which is why the whole "Skinner stole someone else's identity" bit was a huge indication that they had jumped the shark.
Oh man thank you for uploading this. I forgot just how funny af classic Simpsons was.
Classic Skinner is the best Skinner!