iMac Pro Review - a PC Guy’s Perspective

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  • Опубликовано: 25 дек 2024

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  • @The-Rest-of-Us
    @The-Rest-of-Us 7 лет назад +38

    It’s incredible how many people comment without watching the video. As Linus pointed out, the iMac Pro is actually CHEAPER than the sum of all its internals. And that’s ignoring casing, design, assembly, shipping etc. Also, it’s built in the US, for anyone who cares about that. I know people love to hate Apple, but I think they sometimes deserve some credit.

  • @AvianIsLIVE
    @AvianIsLIVE 7 лет назад +830

    Linus: Today episode brought to you by...
    Me: Tunnelbear!!! Synergy!!, Freshbook!!
    Linus: ....Us!!!!
    Me: What?

    • @EVRLYNMedia
      @EVRLYNMedia 7 лет назад +4

      exactly what i commented

    • @Ev3rM0r3
      @Ev3rM0r3 7 лет назад +27

      No one is going to willingly sponsor mac that's why. There's no market for it.

    • @_-_-_-_-_-_-_-__-
      @_-_-_-_-_-_-_-__- 7 лет назад +1

      LOL same

    •  7 лет назад +4

      what XD have you seen any high end production studio? companies use only macs lol

    • @shivangswain
      @shivangswain 7 лет назад +7

      It is sponsored by Freshbooks, see the end...

  • @ParisSanfasteryler
    @ParisSanfasteryler 7 лет назад +306

    Here's the thing on IMac pro.
    You can shave off 400 bucks off linus listed priced. But not a lot can be changed.
    CPU: it is a xeon CPU, you can't compare it to consumer ones. It is rated for intense workloads and have support for ECC memory, which most consumer CPU doesn't.
    RAM: you can't replace ECC memory with normal memory just because it is cheaper. It is not a fair comparison.
    Screen: the screen used is a 5k screen. And is calibrated for color accuracy and selected for color gamut which a lot of professionals needed, that's why people opted for Eizo screens rather than normal consumer screens. A 4k screen most of you guys listed aren't rated for the same thing.
    GPU: you can list anything but nvidia GPUs here. Most Apple apps uses OpenCL acceleration, using Nvidia GPUs will lose the benefits.
    And people said you can't upgrade it. Not all professionals are system builders. They just wanted a workable machine to finish the job. A prebuild like this save them time, they don't have to find all different retailers to solve a problem.
    To them, 400 500 bucks is worth it compared to the hassle it will take for them to build a system and troubleshoot themselves.
    Remember, this is NOT a gaming PC.

    • @brumby92
      @brumby92 7 лет назад +21

      Paris Sanfasteryler well said.

    • @diddycash7467
      @diddycash7467 7 лет назад +18

      Real answer: dont buy a mac for work

    • @diddycash7467
      @diddycash7467 7 лет назад +15

      But for real you can get a computer great for heavy work loads for half the price or less im pretty sure you dont need the xeon with fiew exceptions

    • @craigjohnchronicles2504
      @craigjohnchronicles2504 6 лет назад +29

      Oh here we go with the whole Xeon vs. 'consumer' CPUs justification.
      Many of the same people (working pros and creative agencies) that were buying Mac Pros for their "intense workloads" up until 2015 migrated to the 2015 5K i7 iMac, as it was less expensive and outperformed the 2013 8-core Mac Pro in a LOT of tasks - especially if they were using adobe graphic design and photography applications.
      If you needed heavily multithreaded tasks for video, animation, rendering, or whatever, then you were SOL and you were stuck with the 8-core Mac Pro of some sort if you weren't willing to leave the Apple ecosystem.
      But most creative pros didn't seem to have an issue leaving those "pro level" Xeon CPUs for 'consumer' CPUs to do the same work they were doing on Mac Pro.
      Also, there were also a lot of creative Pro who left the Mac Pros for MacBook Pros - and just plugged them into a 27" display. Again, consumer grade mobile components to take their work with them.
      The same goes with the RAM.
      So with that, to me, if "the real world people using these machines in real world work environments" migrated from Xeon Mac Pros to i5 and i7 iMacs to do the same work with zero issues, then it's definitely valid to compare Xeon workstations to non-xeon workstations performing the same tasks and workloads.
      And because I was willing to make such a comparison for my “professional workstation”, I bought and built an 8-core 7820x system that does the same work as my old 2009 Mac Pro, only far faster and more efficiently, and I only spent $2,100 USD vs. $4,000 on a 2013 8-core Mac Pro that would have given me an marginal performance boost. And since I already have a good 27" color accurate display (which doesn’t NEED to be 5K for my work), I didn't feel I needed to pony up $5,000 for the iMac Pro -- but I can still do the same work on my workstation as I could on any Mac with or without a Xeon CPU.
      Even if I spent $1,500 on 5K display, it would still only cost me $3,600, which is only $300 more on a BTO 5K i7 iMac with 32GB of RAM and a 500GB SSD. Or $1,400 less than an iMac Pro with similar specs.
      YMMV, but I'm glad I switched to PC. No buyers remorse whatsoever.

    • @sandeepsugunan7570
      @sandeepsugunan7570 6 лет назад

      word man, word.

  • @mikespikeey4625
    @mikespikeey4625 6 лет назад +45

    That single change bumped the iMac Pro's price from $4,999 to $7,399. Next, I chose the 128GB memory option, up from 32GB in the standard configuration. The price was now $9,799. Quadrupling the size of the onboard storage from 1TB to 4TB increased the iMac Pro's price to $12,599.14 Dec 2017

    • @COVID--zo3ng
      @COVID--zo3ng 2 года назад +3

      Now you can get that for 5k used

    • @mikespikeey4625
      @mikespikeey4625 2 года назад +1

      @@COVID--zo3ng you can all so get the same but better pc parts for far less pcie 4 for a start the imac is all ready old tec over priced crap as in crapple

    • @dio8070
      @dio8070 Год назад

      @@mikespikeey4625 yes

  • @CKTDanny
    @CKTDanny 7 лет назад +814

    *Image all the barrels you can stack in Crysis with this one!!*

    • @CaveyMoth
      @CaveyMoth 7 лет назад +23

      You could say that this Mac will BARREL through that test.

    • @vyor8837
      @vyor8837 7 лет назад +54

      None.
      Crysis doesn't run on Macs.

    • @kingmoisture1179
      @kingmoisture1179 7 лет назад +15

      Vyor Generic Last Name Crysis runs on Macs with Boot Camp.

    • @cataria3903
      @cataria3903 7 лет назад +11

      this 8 core xeon is only as fast as the r7 1800x, if u don't mind i rather go stacking with ryzen or threadripper :D

    • @alexc8992
      @alexc8992 7 лет назад +3

      Only 3. On my toaster you can stack 4

  • @CatFace8885
    @CatFace8885 7 лет назад +330

    Apple making a system with upgradable hardware?
    Did I warp into a parallel dimension!?

    • @notaspectator
      @notaspectator 7 лет назад +11

      you can change memory on an imac , mac pro was upgradable, mac pro tower was very upgradable . jeez

    • @0neo
      @0neo 7 лет назад +4

      in fact, every Mac Pro and PowerMac was completely upgradeable until recent years.

    • @craigjohnchronicles2504
      @craigjohnchronicles2504 6 лет назад +4

      MacBook Pros and all laptops I believe now - memory soldered onto the motherboard. 21" iMac, no memory access panel. 2013 Mac Pro, memory and SSD upgradable, GPU not upgradable. CPU, a wild lengthy PITA, but upgradable.
      With the iMac Pro, you'll have to remove the display (void the warranty) if you want to upgrade the memory yourself, you can box it up and hoist to an Apple Store or Authorized Apple service center to have them upgrade your memory - for a nominal fee I'm sure.
      But yeah. It's upgradable.

    • @noknackman
      @noknackman 6 лет назад

      I'm making all memes on my MacBook pro mid2012 😂😂😂

    • @ggnr9998
      @ggnr9998 5 лет назад +1

      MrCatFace 8885 *opposite

  • @asinglefrenchfry2983
    @asinglefrenchfry2983 7 лет назад +986

    That charging port under the mouse tho...

    • @XDeadzX
      @XDeadzX 7 лет назад +134

      Andrei Galvez I've heard it gets a days charge in 90 seconds and a full charge lasts over a month, so it's not a huge issue imo.

    • @CKTDanny
      @CKTDanny 7 лет назад +53

      What? Don't you browse the web by sliding your finger under the mouse sensor? /s

    • @haxorinator8219
      @haxorinator8219 7 лет назад +45

      They’ve done great things, but also humiliating things.
      Don’t forget how to charge the Apple Pen (;
      [ ]-

    • @ThisFeelsUnnessasary
      @ThisFeelsUnnessasary 7 лет назад +6

      Haxor inator the pencil is having an adapter to charge it with a regular lighting cable now:) and even if not. 15 seconds charging last for 30 minutes sketching.

    • @Mitsushiro23
      @Mitsushiro23 7 лет назад

      yeah......

  • @willy.c
    @willy.c 7 лет назад +221

    I NEED TO FUCKIN SLEEP LINUS

    • @STLeoTS
      @STLeoTS 7 лет назад +5

      THEN GO TO FUKIN SLEEP

    • @Techjd
      @Techjd 7 лет назад

      Christian Wiles Hey , I am doing a giveaway of Apple watch series 3 . Check out the latest video of my channel .

    • @Pasi123
      @Pasi123 7 лет назад +3

      I want to sleep but I'm in a school :(

    • @WhyGodby
      @WhyGodby 7 лет назад +1

      Christian Wiles same

    • @snjuro4755
      @snjuro4755 7 лет назад

      Christian Wiles lol its 16:30 now where i am xD

  • @jackflittner2245
    @jackflittner2245 7 лет назад +492

    My computers fans turn on when using google earth...

    • @x_rod
      @x_rod 7 лет назад +19

      Jack Flittner my computer fans turn on when running the Windows Desktop Experience

    • @Foust.
      @Foust. 7 лет назад +94

      Damn, you lucky bastards... My computer's fans turn on immediately after I push my power button...

    • @Foust.
      @Foust. 7 лет назад +58

      Nub93 Dude, did you really just made a serious responce to a joke?

    • @skiredd
      @skiredd 6 лет назад +13

      /r/wooosh

    • @Foust.
      @Foust. 6 лет назад +13

      /r/iamverysmart

  • @yellowbat79
    @yellowbat79 7 лет назад +448

    Microsoft: BUT CAN YOU DO THIIIIIIS?
    *turns the surface studio into horizontal mode*

    • @gavincrowley562
      @gavincrowley562 7 лет назад +13

      yellow bat Surface studio is fucking cool

    • @leemer
      @leemer 7 лет назад

      Wholesome

    • @mohdasyraafsyahmi3250
      @mohdasyraafsyahmi3250 7 лет назад +29

      "hey it's only $4999"

    • @makasete30
      @makasete30 7 лет назад +22

      The studio is the underpowered, overpriced device Apple should have made...

    • @plethoreproductions
      @plethoreproductions 7 лет назад +7

      as an apple user i like the idea behind the surface studio

  • @attackLive
    @attackLive 6 лет назад +581

    Did you mention: unrepairable?

    • @HarmonyMashUpRemix
      @HarmonyMashUpRemix 6 лет назад +10

      6:57 «Now, Apple may officially void your warranty-»
      It's already void. xD
      _ _ _
      MHFM1.com

    • @HarryS77
      @HarryS77 6 лет назад +28

      According to the Federal Trade Commission it's illegal for a company to void your warranty for opening the device, removing "Void if removed" stickers, using 3rd party parts, or having the product serviced by a 3rd party.
      Companies just say they'll void your warranty for doing all of that because they figure no one has the time, patience, or money to sue them. But it is illegal nonetheless.

    • @JasonGroom
      @JasonGroom 6 лет назад +5

      If you watch the most recent LTT video on this machine, he isn't talking not repairable under warranty, he is talking not repairable.

    • @OsmoZchannel
      @OsmoZchannel 6 лет назад +1

      now I know why corsair replaced my psu unit despite having removed the sticker

    • @MetalheadBuser
      @MetalheadBuser 6 лет назад

      The 3D Printing Corner THEY FIXED IT! Alright, Apple wasn't a help at all, they spend incredibly much money, became a motherboard form a contact and got Louis Rossman there, but other then that..... xDD
      *Irony Off*

  • @90boiler
    @90boiler 6 лет назад +180

    People tend to forget to add 5k monitor to the price/performance when comparing iMac t oPC build.

    • @carholic-sz3qv
      @carholic-sz3qv 6 лет назад +5

      the 5k monitor is cheaper on apple side because its an old display and they make it in large quantity im sure if you want to buy replacement parts from apple to build a similar imac pro it will be also more expensive hands down

    • @r3n736
      @r3n736 5 лет назад +4

      The normal iMac has
      Retina 5K Display
      and cost $1,799.00
      apple selling the monitor for less than 1000$.

    • @volundrfrey896
      @volundrfrey896 5 лет назад +11

      @@carholic-sz3qv It's a high quality LG panel, it's expensive, it's modern, it's what you expect from a professional monitor.

    • @evancrazyerror
      @evancrazyerror 5 лет назад +9

      Lucky but this iMac pro has a professionally color graded 5k display... don’t know where you got 4K from, but ok...

    • @Smorfar
      @Smorfar 5 лет назад +13

      Lucky that’s literally not the fucking point buddy

  • @dancoyne4151
    @dancoyne4151 7 лет назад +215

    This is how I know LTT makes good reviews. Apple made a good product and they told us about it. Big respect.

    • @james2042
      @james2042 7 лет назад +22

      apples products "aren't bad", its just their business models ruin the company

    • @Najvalsa
      @Najvalsa 7 лет назад +2

      LTT makes okay reviews.
      Just like how I know there's better PC component reviewers with more detailed and useful information, I imagine there's better Apple product reviewers too.

    • @james2042
      @james2042 7 лет назад +6

      SlavjanA If LTT was a 1-3 man operation, then thats fine, but LTT is a 18 (last I heard) operation, so the total lack of effort that goes into these reviews is unacceptable. You think 5 minutes of googling would be an easy task, but nope, they gotta rush the video so theirs time for their editors to edit and render the 8k footage so they can upload it to floatplane 2 weeks before youtube

    • @psuedoscience6943
      @psuedoscience6943 7 лет назад +2

      James Mastroianni pretty sure all time sensitive stuff is a simultaneous upload and also it’s never been two weeks

    • @wegawinarso3471
      @wegawinarso3471 7 лет назад +1

      Look up Dave Lee's channel. His review is a lot better in explanation to the viewer

  • @CKTDanny
    @CKTDanny 7 лет назад +1125

    People can't seem to tell the difference between expensive and overpriced.

    • @Tiashe0
      @Tiashe0 7 лет назад +244

      CoDMontageRadio didn’t linus just explain that it isn’t?

    • @dbagdi1998
      @dbagdi1998 7 лет назад +67

      CoDMontageRadio Dumb

    • @ErdnußRiegel6969
      @ErdnußRiegel6969 7 лет назад +16

      CoDMontageRadio Dumb shit its not overpriced Iphones are overpriced

    • @SpektrikMusic
      @SpektrikMusic 7 лет назад +10

      it makes it expensive not overpriced. You don't need the part but it doesn't make it overpriced.

    • @CipherousOwU
      @CipherousOwU 7 лет назад +26

      Blame Intel, not Apple. The IMac pro itself isn't overpriced, but the components are expensive, the w-2145 is 1k+ by its own.

  • @ewout4890
    @ewout4890 6 лет назад +48

    Placing The ports behind the imac is a logic choice. It looks pretty clean in my opinion

    • @runninggames771
      @runninggames771 4 года назад +1

      Why can't they put some on the bottom? it's not a logic decision, it's them being lazy as hell.
      Seriously, they didn't even try. it's like, what happens to then actually being good at design? come on.

    • @RanmaruRei
      @RanmaruRei 4 года назад +2

      @@sriramsundar8388 yes, they're not lazy. They just place design over function. It just should look great even if it's unpractical af.
      P.S. Smh this logic isn't applied to iPhones though.

  • @marcusharrington4017
    @marcusharrington4017 7 лет назад +256

    Upgradable? Trying to remove that screen is like trying to fillet a fish as/more perfect than Gordon Ramsey.

    • @muffinb5446
      @muffinb5446 7 лет назад +20

      I think they broke their iMac by doing that :D

    • @radodzifcak
      @radodzifcak 7 лет назад

      😂😂😂

    • @lhk7006
      @lhk7006 7 лет назад +4

      The screen can be remove relatively easy with the right too. Or a razor blade.

    • @radodzifcak
      @radodzifcak 7 лет назад +5

      L HK Or a laser cutter

    • @Techjd
      @Techjd 7 лет назад +1

      Marcus Harrington Hey , I am doing a giveaway of Apple watch series 3 . Check out the latest video of my channel .

  • @MC3YT
    @MC3YT 7 лет назад +659

    "Thermals aside, I think it's pretty magical..."
    *"...PRETTY MAGICAL..."* -Linus Sebastian

    • @Growler57
      @Growler57 7 лет назад +2

      MasterCrafter3 kiss ass

    • @coryschulthies8731
      @coryschulthies8731 7 лет назад +11

      They should try “SMC fan control” that’s how I keep my trash can from overheating when I use it out in the summer heat...yes I really do that

    • @trashviewer3521
      @trashviewer3521 6 лет назад +2

      "Thermals aside..." -Linus Sebastian

    • @Crux161
      @Crux161 6 лет назад

      Cory Schulthies yes you dooooo lol

    • @rafsmeets5424
      @rafsmeets5424 6 лет назад

      MasterCrafter

  • @shraiwi
    @shraiwi 7 лет назад +977

    *wOAh A hEaDPhOnE JaCK iN 2017*

    • @jakecrowley6
      @jakecrowley6 7 лет назад +69

      2018*

    • @nxwboostrr
      @nxwboostrr 7 лет назад +16

      Headphone jack jokes are getting old already. It like started in late 2015.

    • @localcrackhead2904
      @localcrackhead2904 7 лет назад +19

      Late 2016* the iPhone 7 came out in 2016.

    • @meister550
      @meister550 7 лет назад +1

      With the way industry is moving it may as well become a good old memory in a few years. Soon the fashion will reach AIO, and along with donglephones and donglebooks we will have donglemacs too.

    • @alfvar_
      @alfvar_ 7 лет назад

      poppet pala do people still care about headphone jacks

  • @WickedRibbon
    @WickedRibbon 7 лет назад +383

    8:50 Yo Apple, where's my new bin at?

  • @thebahooplamaster
    @thebahooplamaster 7 лет назад +654

    Woah
    Apple makes computers!?

  • @jrp95
    @jrp95 7 лет назад +60

    The air flow would not function as shown. Hot air rises, and the fans on the bottom are angled outward due to the hinge, this means that the airflow is low to high which is the desired result. Not cyclical as depicted.

    • @arpitjain4025
      @arpitjain4025 6 лет назад

      Joel Pederson yes hot air rises but there is no place to get up and it get reflected back as shown in video.

    • @foxikira
      @foxikira 6 лет назад

      you dont jnow physics arent you

    • @TomasMira28
      @TomasMira28 6 лет назад +4

      Arpit Jain there is if you consider that the iMac pro lives in a 3D universe and not in the 2D image that Linus showed. Yes, the fans do point to the stand, but it’s a really thin stand.

  • @TheStevieb143
    @TheStevieb143 7 лет назад +5

    You forgot a key point. Serviceability.
    If your a professional and need the workstation if any part fails you need to go to a service centre.
    Other workstations from HP or Dell you can replace parts yourself to keep you going. Apple you have to be down for 7-14 days.
    Could any company be down for upto 14 days with out a key part of the business

  • @cwfeldmann
    @cwfeldmann 6 лет назад +85

    Wow an actual unbiased review of a Mac from Linus. Kudos Bro.

  • @ericwright8592
    @ericwright8592 7 лет назад +27

    Not sure why the comment on not using FirePro gpu's anymore. There are no FirePro gpu's anymore unless I'm mistaken. It's Radeon and Radeon Pro now. AMD only makes a single Vega gpu for professional use and desktop use. There's zero difference at the silicon level. This is the Radeon Pro Vega 56. It's the modern equivalent of what AMD used to call FirePro.

    • @thealfabyte9706
      @thealfabyte9706 7 лет назад +4

      Eric Wright amd's professional gpu right now are radeon pro WX-es. The vega pro 56 used in the imac pros are frontier based.

    • @dstblj5222
      @dstblj5222 6 лет назад

      And are a massive limitation in anything that needs certified drivers

  • @Movie_Games
    @Movie_Games 7 лет назад +9

    Just leaving this comment here. I want to come back in 2 years when Apple still hasn't updated the hardware on the iMac Pro and are still selling it with outdated hardware for $5k. See you guys in 2020.

  • @mitchell3876
    @mitchell3876 7 лет назад +235

    Since it uses thunderbolt 3, could an external gpu be possible?

    • @mitchell3876
      @mitchell3876 7 лет назад +62

      9:00 question answered

    • @trijiv5624
      @trijiv5624 7 лет назад +17

      Apple will just lock you out of using an external box to FORCE you to buy another computer.

    • @priceburnett
      @priceburnett 7 лет назад +68

      Trijiv during the keynote for there latest OS they announced that the OS would fully support external gpus.

    • @SicSemperBeats
      @SicSemperBeats 7 лет назад +32

      Trijiv no stupid. People have been using egpus with MacBook pros for years

    • @trijiv5624
      @trijiv5624 7 лет назад

      Price Burnett they never specified aftermarket gpus or apple certified gpu.

  • @jeffhirata
    @jeffhirata 4 года назад +3

    Great review! I would however prefer a little more thermal throttling rather than more fan noise. But I record in the same room sometimes, so less fan noise it more important than raw power.

  • @matthewhan
    @matthewhan 7 лет назад +89

    At the library at my college trying to finish a C++ assignment at 3:04 AM and see linus drops a video.... well ok then

    • @Techjd
      @Techjd 7 лет назад +1

      matthew han Hey , I am doing a giveaway of Apple watch series 3 . Check out the latest video of my channel .

    • @Najvalsa
      @Najvalsa 7 лет назад +1

      matthew han DON'T FORGET THE SEMICOLON!
      :)

    • @CKTDanny
      @CKTDanny 7 лет назад

      Your college lets you use the library at 3 AM?

    • @brumby92
      @brumby92 7 лет назад +2

      All college library's are not 24 hours?

    • @thebluefish177
      @thebluefish177 7 лет назад

      rajesh koothrappali my college library closes at 3 am for students. We are a city campus.

  • @nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932
    @nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 7 лет назад +33

    "Upgradable" And yet still has a glued screen and proprietary SSDs (fucking why?). Also, like you said on the WAN show, they're providing shit support for it. Also, thermal throttling. And why the FUCK would they remove Target Display mode and video input ports?!
    Also, sometimes the higher-CPU specced iMacs have different mobos or coolers, so upgrading to a higher model of CPU may not work as well as if you had just bought it with that CPU in the first place.

    • @AndrewTSq
      @AndrewTSq 7 лет назад +1

      Since it thermal throttles, its not pro. :/

    • @Jonathan_Wick
      @Jonathan_Wick 7 лет назад

      Nmotsch idontwannagivemyrealname the higher spec’d iMac Pros do not have different mobos or cooling solutions. The display is not glued on? It’s magnetically attached and is made to pop off and pop right back in. Target Display Mode is really irritating, I hope it comes back, but I think Apple doesn’t see any reason to bring it back unfortunately. The SSDs are proprietary but upgradeable and they’re fast. So I don’t now why the proprietary aspect is an issue. Also “shit support” I wouldn’t say that. I haven’t heard of any bad support cases. And they’re still much better then the support you’d get from either building your own workstation, or from companies like Dell or HP.

    • @DecontructRecreate
      @DecontructRecreate 7 лет назад +1

      John Wick I call bullshit. That thing is definitely glued shut, like every other iMac ever. Just because everything isn’t soldered people go around saying it’s modular and upgradeable. The new Mac Pro will be modular and user upgrade able, not this one.
      I wouldn’t expect Apple to repair it anyway. If I was apple and asked only one thing from the consumer, to not open the damn case, AND HE DOES IT ANYWAY I’d be pretty pissed too.

    • @galaxyboots
      @galaxyboots 7 лет назад

      all iMacs definitely magnets...don't even need suckers, you can pull the screen off relatively easily with just your finger nails.

    • @ElectronicsForFun
      @ElectronicsForFun 7 лет назад +1

      John Wick+ apple hasn't had a magnetically detachable display since 2010, also there is glue residue on the edges of the thing when they opened it. and if the display was magnetically attached then how can apple void the warranty when you open it if they never find out that you opened it? the only way they can tell is if they notice the factory glue is gone.

  • @hamilpatel4025
    @hamilpatel4025 7 лет назад +72

    expensive, but i guess not relatively expensive.

    • @x_rod
      @x_rod 7 лет назад +5

      EXACTLY!

  • @0BS9RVER
    @0BS9RVER 7 лет назад +26

    a video sponsored by Lin-US?!!
    well, that sure took some courage! I mean..0:36

  • @Fluera
    @Fluera 7 лет назад +291

    Linus, that voice over comment is too real! I can't listen to this video with headphones, it feels too tinny :(

    • @munjee2
      @munjee2 7 лет назад +8

      Flora espieacailly 1:28 onwards

    • @CaveyMoth
      @CaveyMoth 7 лет назад +5

      His voice is very "Elear"ing through my headphones.

    • @tomwi_since2015
      @tomwi_since2015 7 лет назад +1

      maybe you need a new headphone or soundcard ? @Flora

    • @joshpayne4015
      @joshpayne4015 7 лет назад +1

      Linus' voice in Canada makes dogs in China howl in pain.

    • @tomwi_since2015
      @tomwi_since2015 7 лет назад

      LUL. you are the only one with this problem... maybe its not the vid problem... that i will say with....

  • @rushikeshvishwasrao3837
    @rushikeshvishwasrao3837 7 лет назад +4

    Challenge to Linus:
    i) Can you build fully DIY Server rack without any other companies help.
    ii) Can you build a special server rack mount PC case for this DIY rack without the help of companies like Protocase.
    (Hint: You can use mid-tower/full-tower PC cases horizontally with some modifications as rack mount case.)
    *The one who agree this challenge should reply or like this comment

  • @PeterParker-tb7ce
    @PeterParker-tb7ce 7 лет назад +5

    FYI if anyone in the US is near a MicroCenter store you can get a Base model iMac Pro for $1,000 off for $3,999. Some people have even gotten Best Buy to do Price matching. It's an in store only sale/pickup though.

    • @KingSarathos
      @KingSarathos 7 лет назад +2

      But MicroCenter is garbage...

    • @cxmacaroni
      @cxmacaroni 7 лет назад +5

      Dude Microcenter is fucking awesome

    • @KingSarathos
      @KingSarathos 7 лет назад

      I deeply, deeply disagree with you.
      No reason to argue. Just my own thoughts.

    • @Gashdal
      @Gashdal 6 лет назад

      yeah, because you had a bad experience one time they are officially garbage and not worth anyones business EVER.

  • @MIGerlag
    @MIGerlag 7 лет назад +16

    Pretty cool, but I think my next Mac will be a hackintosh, I don’t know if anyone has taken notice but over the last 2 years or so it’s gotten a lot simpler to build one, in terms of compatible hardware and reliable support.
    Nvidia has drivers out now, so you can throw in a 1080 Ti in it. You can use AMD Ryzen CPUs reliably etc. Plus it’s always more fun to build your own system.
    Also, people please stop complaining about how tired you are or how early it is. If you wanna sleep then go damn well sleep, nobody’s forcing you to watch this right now.

    • @Fantasticxbox
      @Fantasticxbox 7 лет назад +2

      I would strongly go against a Hackintosh for an everyday computer. It's not really stable, every update is a pain in the ass. You would be better with Windows or Linux. If you want so much for apple and for cheap, get a Mac Mini.

    • @MIGerlag
      @MIGerlag 7 лет назад +1

      Fantasticxbox it’s not for use as my main machine, more of a project, I want to build a powerful system with the option of running macOS, the only really demanding applications I use is Autodesk Revit and it only runs on Windows anyways, so for my plan to use it as a rendering station as well as for light gaming is all in a windows environment which is fine.
      The thing is that macOS is my personal OS of choice, I find it more elegant and user friendly, and it suits my workflow best. Widows just irritates me, I only use it when I have to which is basically only for Revit.
      But if I’m going to build a system I’d like to take a crack at making it a hackintosh, that way if it does turn out to be reliable on macOS it could possibly be used as my main machine. The reliability and support has gotten a lot better than ever before, and anyone’s mileage may vary depending on the specific hardware they choose.
      You should check out Snazzy Labs channel, he has a few cool builds and Dom Esposito has my build of choice, he built it inside a PowerMac G5 case which is my plan.
      But like I said, it’s not for my main machine, I’m still pretty well sorted for now, I already have a maxed out late 2013 Retina MacBook Pro and it still runs beautifully and should still give me many more years.
      I also have a 2010 Mac mini from before, I’ve installed macOS server on it and I’ve connected a bunch of drives to it, I use it for a file server, a time machine backup system and for downloading large files and stuff like that, it also still runs flawlessly.
      Anyways enough of me babbling, what I’m saying is that my computing needs are already pretty much solid for a good few more years, this is just a sort of extra project that I want to take on and see where it goes.
      Also, as much as I adore my old Mac mini, anyone would be silly to buy one in 2018, it’s too expensive for what you get. Hopefully this year Apple revives the Mac mini and makes it great again.

    • @Abstract_zx
      @Abstract_zx 7 лет назад

      in my opinion, the OS is the entire problem with macs, i would rather have a mac modded with windows or linux (a windhacks or a linhax?) than a hackintosh

    • @ParisSanfasteryler
      @ParisSanfasteryler 7 лет назад

      Why would you want a 1080TI on a hackintosh? Lol
      Threadripper maybe a good choice, I give you that.

    • @CraigCruden
      @CraigCruden 7 лет назад +3

      The macOS is far superior to Windows. I have used various different operating systems before settling on macOS in 2007 -- and if there was something better I would go for it. I have used: Windows, OS/2, Coherent, IBM DOS, MS DOS, Windows NT, Windows 95/98, Windows XP the Windows 7, as well as a Sun Sparcstation running SunOS or Solaris as well as Linux -- at home. (I am sure I have missed a few). I am not a gamer, I do enterprise development work and I do from time dabble/play around with Xcode - but nothing serious (nothing that would lock me into macOS). I do support Windows 10 for my parents -- which I find a nasty mess. Day to day at home I use macOS, but also have a Linux server at home. I would not recommend building or using a Hackintosh for professional purposes, it just is not worth it. If it is a hobby machine -- then sure -- go ahead and play.

  • @ratoshi21
    @ratoshi21 7 лет назад +533

    2008 called, they want their bezels back.

    • @snepNL
      @snepNL 7 лет назад +41

      Who the fuck cares?

    • @BrawndoQC
      @BrawndoQC 7 лет назад +23

      The computer is in the screen.. dummy.

    • @irfanqayyum2983
      @irfanqayyum2983 6 лет назад +12

      Brawndo the computer parts is behind the screen

    • @BrawndoQC
      @BrawndoQC 6 лет назад +1

      In the same enclosure then.

    • @woooweee
      @woooweee 6 лет назад +11

      Yea I've seen "infinity edge" bezels on dells which sacrifice everything for nothing, as there is a gap and a weird fall back effect thanks to the design sacrifices made. Bezels are fine, and have saved more than a few monitors during shipping and other carelessness.

  • @CyberDuck222
    @CyberDuck222 7 лет назад +27

    you should do a hackintosh build and compare it with this iMac......it would be fun to watch

    • @Rhythmattica
      @Rhythmattica 7 лет назад

      He did with server class comparisons , Didn't he?

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 7 лет назад +5

      If only doing a hackintosh build would transform an older dell touchpad into an Apple touchpad. That's the one thing I truly give Apple credit for... Superb touchpad.

    • @autogolazzojr7950
      @autogolazzojr7950 7 лет назад

      Hariharan Balasubramanian Hackintosh is illegal... not for pros

    • @geekybench
      @geekybench 7 лет назад +1

      volvo09 The MacBook Pro touchpad is simply the best best touchpad that exists right now.

    • @CyberDuck222
      @CyberDuck222 7 лет назад +1

      not really illegal if you can download the OS from App Store.

  • @WannaDJ
    @WannaDJ 7 лет назад +258

    But can it run Crysis?!

    • @radodzifcak
      @radodzifcak 7 лет назад +24

      WannaDJ Nope

    • @Deadpixelator
      @Deadpixelator 7 лет назад +9

      it can

    • @radodzifcak
      @radodzifcak 7 лет назад +19

      Deadpixelator Its really old so it cannot

    • @jayfinest6987
      @jayfinest6987 7 лет назад +4

      WannaDJ yes at 30000fps

    • @masew2012
      @masew2012 7 лет назад +15

      Who cares about crysis???
      Can it run MineCraft in 4k 60 fps then everything else does not matter the slightest...

  • @ac130kz
    @ac130kz 7 лет назад +12

    >2018
    >display has bezels exactly the same size as my 2003 lcd monitor

  • @DerFledderer
    @DerFledderer 6 лет назад +4

    You missed the point of the Vega 64 upgrade. It also doubles the VRAM to 16GB, making it basically a frontier edition.

  • @jem-jams
    @jem-jams 7 лет назад +4

    I'm still wondering what settings LTT uses for the Blender BMW benchmark because, at default settings (which is what you're supposed to use in order to compare results with other users), my $1000 laptop's CPU beats this $5000 Mac's CPU. My time is 3:46 on version 2.79 at default settings.

    • @jem-jams
      @jem-jams 7 лет назад +1

      Sweet Roll the thing is, this laptop has beaten some of their high end PC's, so I'm wondering if they run the benchmark at 4k or something.

    • @SmallQuadruped
      @SmallQuadruped 7 лет назад +2

      Linus did a video earlier showing that the same benchmark on identical pc/mac configurations always runs much better on Windows, because of the more open access Windows gives to its hardware. OSX is more indirect and insulated, it was programmed more for experience than performance. Which is valid too, but then why does Apple also make "pro" lines lol

    • @jem-jams
      @jem-jams 7 лет назад +1

      Of my 2 PC's, my desktop and laptop, my desktop has an i5 6500 and my laptop has an i7 7700HQ. My i5 got a time of 5:07 and my i7 got, as stated, 3:46, both at default settings on version 2.79. My confusion as to the settings LTT tests at arise from videos like "Should YOU Upgrade to Ryzen?" where the Ryzen 7 1700 got a time of 5:40, and there's no way my i5 outclasses that CPU.

    • @petervarga2616
      @petervarga2616 6 лет назад

      What exactly IS “the issue” with blender? It is mentioned but never elaborated...
      If anyone knows, whether first hand, or can point me to a... more informative source, it would be quite helpful; appreciated!

    • @hellothango
      @hellothango 6 лет назад

      We also don’t know if they rendered on CPU or GPU.

  • @superscooterhappy
    @superscooterhappy 6 лет назад

    6:43 that animation is wrong, though the airflow *might* go down (which is actually going perpendicular of the screen), due to lower density of warm air, it will always tend to go up.

  • @tipoomaster
    @tipoomaster 6 лет назад +7

    Doesn't Radeon Pro just replace the name of Firepro under macOS? It has twice the HBM2 of the regular Vega 64 part, which is pretty much all that differentiated the pro model apart from drivers under Windows. For a standalone card the closest approximate would be the WX9100.

  • @AhsanZafar
    @AhsanZafar 7 лет назад +135

    finally some greats words about apple from linus

    • @CO8848_2
      @CO8848_2 6 лет назад +1

      Man, that was funny.

  • @svenkraker
    @svenkraker 6 лет назад

    That "airflow" at 6:44 is silly, the hot air rises. The air won't ever reach the bottom, because the cold air is to dense. I wouldn't say it's good design, but it's nothing like the animation. The back might get hot, but it won't suck in hot air.

  • @tipoomaster
    @tipoomaster 6 лет назад +3

    There's just NAND under those EMI shields on the two sticks, there's one controller on the T2, so I'm not sure that can be called a RAID 0. On a regular RAID, each drive would have a drive controller, this is more like a split SSD.

  • @TheArathor
    @TheArathor 7 лет назад +13

    I thought the vega pro is a workstation gpu?

  • @llynellyn
    @llynellyn 7 лет назад +1

    It's worth noting that the "FirePro" cards in the previous Mac Pro were actually HD7x00 cards with custom drivers and their names changed in the BIOS (hence why Hackintoshes of the time showed 280X cards as D700s, because they were just 6GB HD7970/280X cards). So if Apple wanted they could ask AMD to unlock more Vega compute features in the OSX drivers.

  • @codec862
    @codec862 7 лет назад +11

    These seem like workstations for places like animation studios, video editors, or CAD users. ECC plays a massive part there, and GPUs just need to be validated (rendering is on a dedicated box) but the Vega 56 is still powerful enough to preview.

    • @sentiment7644
      @sentiment7644 7 лет назад +5

      NullSword for a 5000$ computer and 5k display I think you would want more than Vega 56

    • @sparkplug1018
      @sparkplug1018 7 лет назад +5

      If I'm paying 5K for the computer I want to be able to upgrade the GPU. No wait, thats not quite right, I demand to be able to upgrade it!

    • @Obbliteration
      @Obbliteration 7 лет назад +1

      Cad users on mac? XD

    • @daftmell5237
      @daftmell5237 7 лет назад

      NullSword CAD ON MAC? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?

    • @WeirdSeagul
      @WeirdSeagul 7 лет назад

      People don't seem to realise that apple programs like final cut fully utilises the Vegas computer performance unlike Adobe premiere. The Vega 56 compute performance is also much higher than the same priced Nvidia counter part, this is just not used in games

  • @opl2768
    @opl2768 7 лет назад +9

    but how did u guys break the psu and screen?

    • @CraigCruden
      @CraigCruden 7 лет назад +1

      If you see their twitter feed they have the iMac Pro disassembled. My guess is that they were either taking it apart or putting it back together and broke the screen and the unit fell - damaging the power supply.

  • @davidhood3028
    @davidhood3028 6 лет назад +1

    3:23 Warranty coverage has a value. As long as they can actually fix it AT ALL.

  • @SiimKuusik
    @SiimKuusik 7 лет назад +3

    I appreciate the teardown and mostly the well documented bang for the buck aspect so much! Thanks LMG!

  • @icecreamjunkie6790
    @icecreamjunkie6790 5 лет назад +7

    This video must’ve taken a lot of *courage* to make.

  • @2spooky
    @2spooky 7 лет назад

    6:46 all flat-panel iMacs have _always_ had that problem. My old 24" 2k8 would cook itself with its own exahust. The vents (at the top) were angled so that the air would flow downward instead of up and away. I can't say I'm too surprised they didn't get it right here, but am rather disappointed for such an amazing machine.
    EDIT: also, try "Macs Fan Control" to make those fans (or fan) do what you want when you want with fan curves and everything.

    • @2spooky
      @2spooky 7 лет назад

      True. However, my iMac was placed under a hutch on the desk, so there was a sort of down draft problem. The exhaust would get caught, build up, and get _pulled_ down by the in-flow. It was still because of its design, though.

  • @turtlelore2
    @turtlelore2 5 лет назад +4

    Personally, I don't care much for a monitor as long as it's big enough, accurate enough, and sharp enough. $1700 for a 27" monitor is absolutely insane to me. You could literally build a whole nother mid to high end pc for that cost. With the rate of tech development, this computer would be considered out of date in roughly 5 years, less if you are one of those "professionals" that require the absolute best hardware. Literally the whole $5k is down the drain with nearly zero options for reusing components (unless you want to continue using the atrocious included mouse and keyboard).

  • @trazac
    @trazac 7 лет назад +62

    The dollar-for-bollar comparison PC is really just built to be more expensive. The H115i is by no means comparable with Intel's cooling solution. The Corsair Strafe is a very expensive and a much better keyboard than Apple's packed in Peripherals. The video card also seems to be a choice made to inflate the price of the comparison system. There are cheaper comparable video cards even with the massive inflation cause by Crypto Mining.

    • @TheSteelTech
      @TheSteelTech 7 лет назад +19

      This is what I was going to say. I just don't know why Linus chose parts to inflate the price. The monitor is a CLEAR choice to inflate the price when there are loads of 4k monitors and even 5k monitors at half the price (or less).

    • @Rusherrz
      @Rusherrz 7 лет назад +34

      What 5k monitors have similar colour accuracy to the mac's for half the price?
      5k is a big deal for some people because you can edit native 4k footage with room for the timeline etc.
      I agree with the rest of what OP said though.

    • @griffin8062
      @griffin8062 7 лет назад +13

      Room for the timeline? I would just buy 2 4k displays and put all the tools on one screen and the video preview on another.

    • @GeorgePerakis
      @GeorgePerakis 7 лет назад +4

      Griffin S Final Cut Pro X probably can't do that lmao.

    • @deepbludreams
      @deepbludreams 7 лет назад +5

      +Ryan-Beats What's the point of that? real setups for video editing and the like use a minimum of three monitors, this 5 K nonsense is stupid, just to make it seem like it's ahead of what Windows can do, and it's gimping that poor vega 56 even harder, it's already a card that can't really handle 4K.

  • @JonathanS89
    @JonathanS89 7 лет назад

    5:44 I somehow expected better numbers than my i7-7820x, but i score 200-205 in single threaded and 2020-2040 multi threaded.

  • @codec862
    @codec862 7 лет назад +6

    I thought Dennis was writing directly on the table for a second...

  • @darkBender99
    @darkBender99 7 лет назад +63

    It’s 3am and I gotta wake up in 4 hours. But oh well

    • @niklasdavind4722
      @niklasdavind4722 7 лет назад

      Huntson RUclips don't want you to sleep.

    • @dvno7581
      @dvno7581 7 лет назад

      For me it's 6:51 but fuck it who needs to sleep anyway.

    • @Maeno34
      @Maeno34 7 лет назад

      Lol same

    • @Pasi123
      @Pasi123 7 лет назад

      It's 11:07

    • @brenomanhaes9322
      @brenomanhaes9322 7 лет назад +2

      Wake up, 4 hours passed since you commented

  • @williampinzon8750
    @williampinzon8750 6 лет назад

    6:45 but shouldn’t the hot air rise? The cold air on the bottom should be sucked in

  • @TrevorLentz
    @TrevorLentz 7 лет назад +5

    I'm surprised you didn't try Macs Fan Control www.crystalidea.com/macs-fan-control (which as an OSX and windows installer)to see if the CPU temps would be more comfortable. All macs I've ever used have this same issue of keeping their fans as quiet as possible ALL THE TIME! The only work-around is to control the speeds manually as apple fan curves are always set to quiet mode by default.

    • @benny21293
      @benny21293 6 лет назад +1

      Trevor Lentz
      This.
      Linus please do a follow up.
      Also compare temps in macOS and Windows. AFAIK the Fan Control in Bootcamp is less than ideal.

  • @summushieremiasclarkson4700
    @summushieremiasclarkson4700 6 лет назад +4

    While I would too prefer something like a Titan XP for efficiency reasons in an enclosed space, there's 3 reasons why that woudn't make sense:
    1. Vega GPUs though mediocre at gaming, excel at compute performance (aka mining), and Apple has spent years fine tuning macOS kernel and driver parameters for GCN
    2. Vega is also a very incredibly efficient architecture, just not at higher clockspeeds/voltages, as evidenced by all the APUs and GL. Apple's Pro Vegas are likely to be binned. Desktop Vegas are effectively overclocked reference models, as they weren't nearly fast enough to beat Pascal at gaming, and probably never will be.
    2. Nvidia drivers on Linux and Unix-based systems (except Windows, which is technically Unix based too) sucks balls. The famous Torvalds "Fuck you nvidia" comes to mind.

    • @dstblj5222
      @dstblj5222 6 лет назад

      I just wished they used something with professional drivers, because those make a difference in a lot of ways.

    • @hellothango
      @hellothango 6 лет назад

      I agree, but I gotta be the annoying one and say that Windows isn’t based on Unix. It was once, but Unix was completely abandoned in 1982.

  • @TheMoukis
    @TheMoukis 7 лет назад

    In 2013 the cylinder Mac Pro was also good priced for it’s hardware. The problem was that after a few years prices didn’t go down for the Mac Pro. That’s the huge problem with macs in general. Even a year ago Apple would charge you 1200 dollars for a 12 core Xeon cpu when on eBay it costed something like half that price.

    • @hishnash
      @hishnash 7 лет назад

      the funny thing is apple are not buying used from eBay they are buying from Intel directly. Yes it would be nice if the prices matched the retail prices of these things, but if you look at reatil prices of Xeons (as listed on intels website) they dont realy change much untill a new xeon is released.

  • @tobiassteindl2308
    @tobiassteindl2308 7 лет назад +13

    Charges 5000$
    Doesn't come with (open source) freesync...

    • @TheCatOfWarCSGO
      @TheCatOfWarCSGO 7 лет назад +4

      Does that really matter as a professional workstation? Its not really designed for gaming

    • @Zark-Muckerberg
      @Zark-Muckerberg 7 лет назад

      I'm not sure, but I think the manufacturer apple buys their displays from don't support freesync. Plus, its for productivity and freesync is mostly for gaming.

    • @gytis156
      @gytis156 7 лет назад

      Why would mac need a freesync?

    • @thealfabyte9706
      @thealfabyte9706 7 лет назад

      Totally need a freesync to see those frame per pixel project rendering amirite

    • @ElectronicsForFun
      @ElectronicsForFun 7 лет назад

      TheCatOfWar+ yeah it's a professional workstation with a piss poor cooling system and a lack of upgradeability. professionals don't use macs, professional wannabes use macs. "oh look at me l use final cut pro for my youtube channel l am such a professional."

  • @arifproject
    @arifproject 7 лет назад +12

    *And today's sponsor is...... Us!*
    I can't stop laughing 😂 😂

    • @Techjd
      @Techjd 7 лет назад

      Arifproject Hey , I am doing a giveaway of Apple watch series 3 . Check out the latest video of my channel .

    • @strellettes8511
      @strellettes8511 7 лет назад +1

      How is that possibly funny to you.

    • @pedrosoares7273
      @pedrosoares7273 7 лет назад +1

      Todays sponsor was nvidia

  • @k-dragonwin7262
    @k-dragonwin7262 7 лет назад +1

    Thanks for the review Linus. This is the very exact reason why we got the iMAC Pro while trying to build our Hardware. Not to mention the overprice GFX cards that you can't even find nowadays.
    Cheers,
    K-Dragon

  • @leifashley
    @leifashley 7 лет назад +22

    Doesn't hot are flow/float upward? What kind of physics are you guys studying? lol

    • @jinlim9384
      @jinlim9384 7 лет назад

      Leif Ashley It is blocked by its stand and channeled downward back to the intake

    • @leifashley
      @leifashley 7 лет назад +13

      Yea airflow is not water, and regardless of any of that, air would not flow that way... hot air always rises. Simple thermodynamic that makes air balloons float. This video looks like the heat is traveling like a laser ray lol
      Here:
      www.macworld.com/article/3199549/macs/imac-pro-features-faq-pricing-specs-release.html
      First, the vents are down left and down right, not straight out the back. Second, there's no way in hell even if it was straight out the back it would follow the path in this video to the front of the machine.
      As a mac and PC guy, I would expect you guys not to throw bullshit out... maybe I should just make some honest videos.

    • @skiredd
      @skiredd 6 лет назад +1

      Jin Lim uhhh no

    • @phosfine7793
      @phosfine7793 6 лет назад

      it was blowing against the stand.

  • @zynan
    @zynan 7 лет назад +4

    [Thumbnail] ... Arrrrgh! The thermal solution has sucked Linus INSIDE the iMac Pro... arrrrgh!

  • @quantumsingularitie
    @quantumsingularitie 7 лет назад

    If i remember correctly, dynamic fan speeds don't work under boot camp at all. Back when i bootcamped windows, i used smcfancontrol to max out the fans then reboot, it will then just keep that set fanspeed.

  • @WalrusRiderEntertainment
    @WalrusRiderEntertainment 6 лет назад +4

    One thing never mentioned is resale price versus a PC. Apple products hold value. PCs don’t..

  • @Granturion
    @Granturion 7 лет назад +4

    Im interested in the follow up :)

  • @jousboxx9532
    @jousboxx9532 7 лет назад

    I would like to point out that the gaming mouse and keyboard @3:18 are not exactly equivalent to what apple provides in the box. That said, the price breakdown is still quite surprising!

  • @stevejames859
    @stevejames859 6 лет назад +7

    i was watching this and thought "wow must be nice" when he said about the speed then i remembered i have an 18 core Hackinstosh

  • @itscomingoutofbothends8385
    @itscomingoutofbothends8385 7 лет назад +8

    I'd rather and upgrade path and seperate display than a '$200' saving.

    • @wipeout2098
      @wipeout2098 7 лет назад +3

      Also, this is 5k for a "Pro" machine which throttles under heavy workloads. O_o

    • @itscomingoutofbothends8385
      @itscomingoutofbothends8385 7 лет назад +1

      For a primary monitor a cheopo AOC 1080p 22" display is sweet enough.
      Just let me swap the video card to match Freesync or Gsync and to choose whether or not I need double precision.
      Personally I run a FX 8150 / GTX 960.
      I can transcode 60 minutes of 720p ~4000kbps .OGG to HEVC 800kbps in ~10 hours in Handbrake, in the summer I can smell the burning dust and solder.
      Since the Spectre Windows Update Asus AI Suite 2 no longer works so no more fan profiles until I remember what I used to rely on on... fanspeed.exe or some shit, that was years ago.

    • @4lc441
      @4lc441 7 лет назад +1

      Yea, but what it really comes down to is whether or not you want a Mac. Final Cut Pro is a pretty good reason for a lot of video editors.

  • @hugoburton5222
    @hugoburton5222 7 лет назад

    5:45. That cinebench score is nothing compared with that 56 core 112 thread rig you built which got a score of 7050cb

  • @adityaagarwal130
    @adityaagarwal130 7 лет назад +8

    LTT: Today's video is brought to you by LIN"US"

  • @Svedjano
    @Svedjano 7 лет назад +4

    My 1year daughter loves the introsong she dances like crazy 😄

  • @arugulatarsus
    @arugulatarsus 7 лет назад

    For the airflow, add a piece of cardboard behind it to block the loop, if the temperature changes your loop is confirmed, typically, hot air goes up, so maybe the animation you made was a bit off.

  • @hummuslord6521
    @hummuslord6521 7 лет назад +21

    Strange hardware decisions aside, Apple does have really well optimized UI, even at 5K.

    • @CrimsonEclipse5
      @CrimsonEclipse5 7 лет назад +5

      So long as you don't actually want to do anything with it, yeah.
      Basic settings and user config options are very heavily obfuscated for seemingly no reason. It makes it unnecessarily hard to use.

    • @vadeka
      @vadeka 7 лет назад +15

      they're all under settings? :p what the hell are you finding hard to use

    • @AaronAbernethy
      @AaronAbernethy 6 лет назад +2

      Bizarre comment. What on Earth are you having trouble with?

    • @JohnPepp
      @JohnPepp 6 лет назад +2

      I can see were people coming from the PC side have a hard time using Apple's UI, for it took me a while to get used to after spending 30+ years on the PC side. What I basically found is Apple is basically the opposite of Windows. What's bottom is now up ad what is let is now right. Windows also doesn't like popping up redundant windows where Apple opens them up like it's some kind of symphony. LOL

    • @hellothango
      @hellothango 6 лет назад

      +John Pepp Nah, I don’t really get that tbh. I used Windows for about ten years (and sometimes Linux), and when I switched to Mac, it was just wonderful from the start. The UI is just so clear about everything, and very consistent, where in Windows 10 you have like 5 different right-click-menus. It’s way easier to use in comparison to Windows, which you really have to learn. I guess the reason people are having trouble with it is that most have learned Windows for years and years because it usually was the first system they had.

  • @arceusmaster91
    @arceusmaster91 7 лет назад +7

    I remember when Macs werent soldered. When it let everyone in the room know you were ballin by blaring an inception-esque bwaaaaaaah. Those were the days

    • @RicciDerStinker
      @RicciDerStinker 7 лет назад +2

      Ah yes and when you had a PowerMac G4 MDD starting to ramp up its fans to achieve vacuum cleaner noise levels which were only bearable by working with headphones.
      Writing this on a still upgradeable Mac Pro 4.1 flashed to 5.1 ;).

  • @CringeOfCzech
    @CringeOfCzech 7 лет назад

    linus at 8:30 why with the "equivalent hardware" are you putting a titan xp and comparing that to be came as rx vega 56?????

  • @amrit2032
    @amrit2032 7 лет назад +4

    What about the other models? Do they also offer good value or are overpriced?

    • @hishnash
      @hishnash 7 лет назад

      depends if you compare the current price of GPUS then the vega64 pro with 16GB of HBM2 means at least the bump in gpu power is not at all overpriced.

    • @Zark-Muckerberg
      @Zark-Muckerberg 7 лет назад

      Overpriced imho. You can find an AIO that is very similar to the iMac for ~1/2 the price.

    • @thealfabyte9706
      @thealfabyte9706 7 лет назад

      Overpriced for the hardware. Rather just build a hackintosh.

    • @Echoesoftimelover
      @Echoesoftimelover 7 лет назад +1

      Amrit Cod You can’t upgrade the GPU, CPU, or Ram. It’s overpriced

    • @jadeng1147
      @jadeng1147 7 лет назад +1

      the video literally shows them doing exactly that lmao

  • @princeprakash420
    @princeprakash420 7 лет назад +8

    Man , I thought he's gonna say "Today's video is brought to you by *Tunnel bear* "

  • @yuriiivanov581
    @yuriiivanov581 7 лет назад

    Dat nail with a photo drawn ON it. That's awesome, Linus.

  • @justintran5963
    @justintran5963 6 лет назад +3

    Yes, because the Apple Magic Mouse and Keyboard are certainly on par with a wireless mechanical keyboard and wireless mouse. Also, the iMac doesn’t have a 750W PSU, it has a 500. Regardless, they spent way too much on the PSU and peripherals. The PC could’ve costed much less.

    • @ivankrushensky
      @ivankrushensky 6 лет назад +1

      Finally, someone that has some brains. And $140 cooling as opposed to Apples- oh yeah, doesn't exist. $600 mobo. $617 for 2 SSDs. $149 case. This guy did nothing but jack the price up to make the iSheep feel better about the poor decision making.

  • @gamerhaven7959
    @gamerhaven7959 6 лет назад +42

    LUL ITS NOT EVEN 200HZ... I CAN'T PLAY CS:GO ON IT XD!!!.. This is a computer for creative professionals in the entertainment industry, not gaming. 99% of the people commenting don't seem to realize that.

    • @foxikira
      @foxikira 6 лет назад +4

      yeah just bunch of haters. HATERS GONNA HATE

    • @carholic-sz3qv
      @carholic-sz3qv 6 лет назад +3

      @@foxikira its really stupid actually pcs arent only for gaming but also for productivity like imacs its just that they have more capabilities for gaming so stfu

    • @carholic-sz3qv
      @carholic-sz3qv 6 лет назад +2

      @Grahamhg sorry but you are totally wrong macs are great for "video" editing windows too ,CAD in the industry windows is standard equipment almost 85 to 90% of marketshare. Even for car tuning and repairing there are so many software available on windows I can't even mention all of them. Yes windows is open source and I don't know why people install it on apple devices even microsoft office , simply to show you that you can criticise windows all the time but at the end of the day macos isn't prefect either

    • @testinggameslol9782
      @testinggameslol9782 5 лет назад

      @@carholic-sz3qv so you want to pay a 5000$ Apple pc which is worse than my 1400$ pc i'd rather go buy a car.

    • @testinggameslol9782
      @testinggameslol9782 5 лет назад

      @K Dash same

  • @jspinks2388
    @jspinks2388 7 лет назад

    Back up running with pretty average corsair unit, need to send the rosewill unit off something popped/crackled in it and shut off....

  • @meepnugget1651
    @meepnugget1651 3 года назад +3

    LTT: somewhat praised Apple at points
    Comment section: ANGERY

  • @TheNoseyProductions
    @TheNoseyProductions 7 лет назад +109

    I enjoy reading the comments of people boosting their ego by talking shit about apple😄

    • @mrfuzzer1
      @mrfuzzer1 7 лет назад +6

      Boosting their ego? What does that even mean?

    • @CringeOfCzech
      @CringeOfCzech 7 лет назад

      Well some people like watching linus and for him to make a comparison to a pc saying that its more expensive to build is stupid so people like me criticize him

    • @luka3292
      @luka3292 7 лет назад +20

      better than sucking apples dick... btw its not boosting our ego, but saying the truth

    • @TheNoseyProductions
      @TheNoseyProductions 7 лет назад +1

      Luka Dobrilović I think the truth could be told within the first few comments. Not many multiples of the same arrogant comment.

    • @TheNoseyProductions
      @TheNoseyProductions 7 лет назад

      Mikael Andersson think of it as 'that bully from elementary school'

  • @OmarTheAtheistAziz
    @OmarTheAtheistAziz 7 лет назад

    5:54 what music is that? just remember hearing it way back when i was a kid

  • @sphinxgames7787
    @sphinxgames7787 6 лет назад +3

    Imagine the performance of a custom windows build for 5k

  • @paperboy725
    @paperboy725 7 лет назад +40

    3:15 pricing is so shit. yea because Apple's shitty cooling equals a $140 aio, their proprietary psu equals a $140 750w plat psu, and I don't even want to look at those peripheral pricing.

    • @davo1559
      @davo1559 7 лет назад +10

      I know right... LTT is smarter than that surely?

    • @snowzZzZz
      @snowzZzZz 7 лет назад +2

      To be fair, the cooling along with the PSU while not having the upfront cost, likely had some cost behind it's design, and of course the cost behind making a small PSU power those components reliably with reasonable cooling. It's not a perfect comparison, but it's also not unreasonable when you consider that what you consider "Apples shitty cooling" isn't bad given the form factor of the system.

    • @paperboy725
      @paperboy725 7 лет назад

      Ed Saucin don't even start

    • @alfredovitenteiii3612
      @alfredovitenteiii3612 7 лет назад

      Gregory Martin My friend’s small architecture firm upgraded to iMac Pros from 2014 iMacs. The OSX ecosystem just works best for them. They specialize in high end residential and can afford to upgrade every few years. If you’re just going to be streaming let’s plays, then they probably aren’t a good investment.

    • @Swizzenator
      @Swizzenator 7 лет назад

      Yo Nicky Armpitt. . .Your pathetic ha ha ha. Waiting on brilliant reply. . .

  • @BenelliMr
    @BenelliMr 5 лет назад +1

    can you see 4K on a 27 inch screen? I got a 32 inch 4K screen in order not to stress my eyes. Was I wrong to buy that large? ??? Or turn the question around: for so much money, shouldn't we expect a 32 inch screen? That would also ease the cooling

    • @woodylog5555
      @woodylog5555 5 лет назад

      you cant see the pixels on the 5k 27" display, it's all about PPI (pixels per inch). On the 27" 5k displays you have space for a full res 4k image or video in the middle while still having 500px each side for your toolbars. Apple have there retina "sweet spot" of around 300 ppi or so. in terms of not stressing your eyes as much, higher resolutions on larger screens are better as you can sit further away however I would have gone for a 27 inch matte monitor like this: www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/dell-ultrasharp-27-4k-monitor-u2718q/apd/210-amsg/monitors-monitor-accessories

  • @HarendraSingh-si1qs
    @HarendraSingh-si1qs 7 лет назад +4

    Today’s video is brought to you by.... US. Epic!!!!

  • @lusw
    @lusw 7 лет назад +4

    Did all of your jaws dropped when playing R3D 8K on this iMac on FCPX? Something you can't dream of doing it on a maxed out PC and Premiere? :D

    • @Robin-sf3gk
      @Robin-sf3gk 6 лет назад

      Well but we have to admit that Premiere on this iMac also wouldn't run smoothly ^^

    • @lusw
      @lusw 6 лет назад

      Not even on a top PC it'll run smoothly :p

  • @robbae9307
    @robbae9307 6 лет назад

    on this mid 2017 15" MacBook Pro and my 5k iMac 2016, I hover downloaded an application called macfancontrol, and that should stop your thermal throttling issues, as you can control the fan(s) to what ever speed you want

  • @x_rod
    @x_rod 7 лет назад +4

    Remember when Steve Jobs said 'we need to get rid of this mentality that for Apple to win Microsoft has to lose'

    • @luka3292
      @luka3292 7 лет назад

      Xavier Rodrigues well, apple isnt like that anymore and is just a pile of overpriced garbage. there is people in this world who would probably buy a rock from apple just because of the brand...

    • @x_rod
      @x_rod 7 лет назад

      I'm not talking about how great Steve Jobs was for saying that or whatever, I'm saying that we should remember that quote. What's the point of fighting over a brand? All I want is faster computers for less, that doesn't have many issues. PC manufacturers are better at the first thing, and Apple is better (although they have gotten worse recently) at the second thing.

    • @craigjohnchronicles2504
      @craigjohnchronicles2504 6 лет назад

      for 25+ years, I thought this as I worked on Macs. From school, throughout my graphic design and photography career, all the way up to November 2017, when I didn't feel like Apple was building the workstation I wanted. Basically, a easy user upgradable non-xeon mini (or mid) tower with 6 or 8 cores. Basically stacking 3 Mac Mini's on top of each other, stuffing in a 6 or 8 core i7 CPU with 32GB of RAM, dual NVMe slots and a 2.5" internal drive, with a Radeon RX 580 GPU. It should cost nothing more than $1,800 with the 6-core CPU.
      I had never used Windows before, and built my own PC in December, installed Windows 10, and it runs like a dream.
      7820x
      32GB RAM
      250GB SSD Boot drive
      4TB storage drive
      8GB Radeon RX 580
      NZXT Kraken x52 CPU cooler
      EBGA 750w power supply
      Fractal Design Meshify C case
      $2,100
      The only thing I miss is "columns view" in the folders. Beyond that, I can do everything on this workstation that I could do on my Xeon processor Mac Pro. But wildly faster and more efficiently.
      A 2013 Mac Pro would have cost me $6,000 last January (nearly 4 years later), and it would have cost me $5,000 in November....for a nearly 5 year old machine.
      If I felt I absolutely needed a xeon CPU with ECC memory, I might have considered staying with Apple and waiting for the Modular Mac Pro.

    • @WuschelofDespair
      @WuschelofDespair 6 лет назад

      Luka Dobrilović the Rock part is definetly true but at the same time, there are a lot of people that, Even if Apple made the Perfect pc for them at a fair Price Point, Wouldnˋt but It because it has an Apple on the back

    • @etherealmetalrecords9889
      @etherealmetalrecords9889 6 лет назад

      You’re correct, it’s very childish to fight over it. I have my pc for gaming an$ my Mac for work. People forget that these computers are usually not used for the same reasons.

  • @franzherfert3686
    @franzherfert3686 7 лет назад +6

    Waaaait... thats a 120$ aio Cooling thing... and in the i mac there is a 15$ heatsink with 4 heatpipes... so your -200 Balance is incorrect. Sry for my bad English, I'm German.

    • @steven4570
      @steven4570 7 лет назад +2

      so it's the same price except with the PC, you have to build it yourself, no option for Pro Support, not all in one design and can't run macOS.

    • @ivankrushensky
      @ivankrushensky 6 лет назад +1

      @@steven4570 yo iSheep...he didn't even bother to point out the $600 mobo, the $165 mouse and keyboard (seriously!?), $617 for two SSDs (seriously, this guy must be joking), $140 platinum power supply (no Apple will ever have this), $149 case...even the $1300 27" 5k screen is a joke. You can find one much cheaper. All of these parts can be found with better quality than Mac for a much lower price. Hell, a $20 mouse/keyboard is just as good as Crapples. Two similar SSDs can be had for under $200. $50 case would be just fine. $50 PSU. $500 monitor. Go back and do the math...it's much cheaper to build your own PC. And changing all of what I mentioned would leave the CPU, RAM and GPU. Which, you guessed it. There are much more reasonable options that would perform as good or better.

    • @steven4570
      @steven4570 6 лет назад +2

      Are you really going to build a computer like this and not have a workstation grade board? Are you really going to build a computer like this and not a have a workstation grade power supply? 5k screen is what the imac has, and you're aruging that it's BS because it's too expensive? Yeah, if you want to build cheap trash and skimp out sure, go ahead

    • @ivankrushensky
      @ivankrushensky 6 лет назад

      @@steven4570 What kind of PSU does the iMac have? Oh yeah, 500W...and highly doubtful it's rated very high...like most other PC's off of the shelf. But even if it were, a 500W PSU Platinum is much cheaper. And no, a $600 mobo is not necessary. The specs on such a thing would blow the doors off of any Mac mobo. As for the monitor...sure, you can make an argument that way. However, the 5k is a marketing ruse to begin with. And the majority of the people using this thing do not need a 5k display to begin with. And it won't be long before 5k is much much cheaper, just like everything else. Yet, Mac will still be selling this crap for $5k. The overall point, this build list is much higher quality than the stock Mac parts. So this is not an "apples to apples" comparison. You could build a faster and better machine in all regards for half the price. Literally.

    • @steven4570
      @steven4570 6 лет назад +2

      "However, the 5k is a marketing ruse to begin with"
      No it's not, and you getting a cheaper monitor that's not 5k doesn't take away from the fact that it's still under specced

  • @mercedesbenzformula1
    @mercedesbenzformula1 6 лет назад

    Best intro ever! The conviction to solder everything down. This is gold right here!!!

  • @tomtho1
    @tomtho1 7 лет назад +8

    A like for the crypto mining tax stab at themselves