Mormon Leaders: Death Before Unchastity
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That's called being extremely fanatical. Puritanical cultish
This is why and how other religions with fundamentalist factions see things like “honor” killings. This is dangerous theology.
How many people who lost their "virtue" took this literally and ended their own lives -- Mom and Dad would rather have me dead than "unclean" and by ending it they will never have to know the shameful truth about me and will assume I remained virtuous.
Yes!! So sad, we know that suicide is really bad in Utah, so this doesn’t surprise me…😢
Kimball was president when I converted to Mormonism. Everyone said I needed to read his book "The Miracle of Forgiveness." I swallowed it hook, line and sinker. What a terrible message to people that their life has no meaning if they've "lost their virtue" which is code for lost their virginity.
Virtue and chastity...very abstract concepts. A human life is not.
It's been decades since I had to listen to these men and absorb what they were saying as if it was factual. With time and perspective, this is all just really gross! Clean vs unclean, death over chastity...no thanks. Hard pass on all of that mindset. This isn't 1455 anymore.
Unfortunately, this horrific idea that it is better to die than lose your “virtue” is common in other religions as well. In Catholicism, they still honor the “Virgin martyrs” who were usually preteen/teenage girls who chose death instead of giving up their virginity. There is a very long list of them if you look them up. Many are from the early church such as St Agnes, but look up Maria Goretti if you want so hear about a relatively recent one. When I was little I thought these stories were a little weird but looking back it’s really horrifying that I was taught to look to these girls as an example. It’s incredibly damaging to believe that you are better off dead than unchaste.
I remember reading this in the miracle of forgiveness and bringing it up recently on Reddit and having a Mormon challenge me and say I was a liar. The amount of gaslighting and disbelief in their own religion is shocking how can anyone teach others what they don’t know themselves or refuse to accept. It’s mind boggling.
Cognitive dissonance is a real issue with this cultish groups…
As I recall in the book it states the author is responsible for what is in the book and it does not reflect the views of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
@@monabiehl6213 so then we don’t follow the prophet since according to this statement you made the prophet’s words are not the views of the church or maybe when it suits the church we all follow the prophet.
I love your banner quote “There’s nothing your not worthy of”
I really have to wonder what parents are thinking when they hear this stuff. Why don’t more of them leave??
This is no longer the view of the Church. A person doesn't always have the choice between death and virginity.
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And no wonder I wanted to kill myself from the time I was a child. Me. The dirty, tattered flower by the side of the road, whom no one would choose. Not even God.
Instead, "He" stands by watching. Rubbing his hands together in pleasure, watching, watching every hair, even the curly man hairs in the shower drain afterwards.
This makes me so angry. I was judged a lot as a teen for having a relationship that didn't even go so far as losing my virginity, and later in life when I did, as an adult, I was judged again so harshly my mom would leave passive agressive church magazines open on my bed with articles about chastity, and chastising me for having relations outside of marriage. For decades I felt guilt and shame, and even now I can't go there without feeling like I'm bad somehow.
The "sin" is making people feel shame for just being human.
Just Evil !
Disgusting. Irresponsible. Cruel.
This was so ingrained in us as youth. When I came out as Bi, my mother said, "I'd rather you lost your virtue and were pregnant by some stranger! " As if being queer was a sin worse than losing your virginity.🤦🏼♀️
Some of the worst consequences of these awful quasi doctrines are played out in family contexts
This is unbelievably harmful and enough to prove the church isn't true all by itself. Nice work Lex!!
Many people choose to endorse these teachings. Old men, especially. It is in most churches in the world.
Would be really funny how extreme that all sounds if only they weren't real comments.... my gosh it's sick that any religion (and there are many that do) would teach this stuff
You need to do Spencer W. Kimball in that "Yoda" voice.
Where do they get such nonsense? It is inhuman and destructive.
Where other churches get it. Their "holy" books. The teachings of men.
My mother told me what would you tell your future husband? That you lost it to a loser?
Anyone reading this: you are a worthy human being no matter how much sex you have! You are more valuable than sex! Your life is precious, and that will never change. ✨️
The “keep chaste & die rather than give up your virtue & live” idea was a core precept of The Miracle of Forgiveness - a vile volume
The author Spencer Kimball (whose prose was tweaked and tightened by his son Edward) published it in 1969
In 1977 he reportedly said to a neighbor, “Sometimes I think I might have been a little too strong about some of the things I wrote in that book”
Nevertheless the book was not softened or edited or pulled but remained intact on store shelves until 2015
It sold 1.6 million copies
If he received a royalty of only $1 per book then that is a nice chunk of change overall
How many people suffered with induced anxiety, depression, & suicidality after reading it? We’ll never know
How many then took their own lives due to misplaced guilt? We’ll never know
The worst book ever!
Absolutely appalling advice 🤬
Purity culture gone wrong
Romney....BARFF!!
I've been told throughout the years that this rhetoric is old and simply the culture a very long time ago and no one could possibly have meant to say these things as they truly are However, I was told more than one of these at 16 years old in the early 2000"s. I decided if I was already condemned and going through hell on earth, I'd rather choose the real hell. I'm grateful to be on this earth now, but it took a very long time before I looked at myself differently and realized the real people who should be condemned and be told that they would be better off dead than alive for abusing children and adults.
Is that man 400 years old?
But it only applies to women mostly, all the pressure is on women.
No surprise as the whole gospel structure is inherently sexist
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The archaic, condescending cadence of these so-called "prophets" is creepy AF!!!
Content note: SA
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I am so grateful for Elizabeth Smart speaking out about how purity teaching conditioned her, in an awful circumstance, to giving up and accepting her fate (based on her newfound worthlessness) rather than maintaining an internal resistance which could help her fight or flee.
When my mother learned I was SA’d, she held my hands, looked me in the eyes, and said, “When I look at you, and I think when Jesus looks at you too, I see a virgin.” Not that I needed that experience to know my mother had absolutely nothing to offer me in any way that mattered. It would be twenty more years before I officially went No Contact. Still, that incident was a clear marker I could point to showing that nothing about my mother’s relationship with me was or would ever be centered on me. I was just an NPC in her adventure.
This is a bit rich coming from people who proclaim a serial abuser of women as a Prophet.
The brighter the light…the darker the shadow.
What do you mean?
@@DQ_Mine …the idea is the more that we project ourselves as virtuous, the more we are likely hiding , often unconsciously.
This is regretable. We heard this in seminary (ages 14-18). How many of us in seminary were sitting their who had already been molested? There were 30 in the class. Probably three in the class had already been assaulted sexually. I don't think these people realize how common sexual assault is. This can be very depressing for a young person who has already experienced something like this. Jesus forgives--if there really is a sin in this. This is no longer the view of the Church. I don't know if it ever was--or just the view of those who we saw in the video.
It is better to know for yourself than it is to take the word of stranger. If you're trying to refute the teachings of the church of Jesus Christ then you obviously haven't read the sermon on the mount. Obviously, this person has some personal issues with His church. Doubt your doubts before you doubt your faith.
1) Doubt your doubts is a thought stopping cliche. If the church and your belief is really true and honest then just having doubts will not be enough to destroy the honest truth of the universe if that is so.
2) How can one "know yourself" in a church that doesn't let you explore your gender, sexuality, sexual dispositions, personality, or tastes in media without being excommunicated or punished. You can not both truly know yourself and live in such a high demand religion.
it's not a church it's a scam, and the fact that you're even here shows you're going against your beliefs by reading "anti" content
Are you being serious? These were all words of so called profits and apostles. Don't try to tell me they didn't say this stuff, because I'm an old lady, and I HEARD IT, and read it, and had it repeated back to me ad nauseam. Sickening stuff, truly sickening. Jesus made it very clear that being alive and "unclean" was much better than being dead and virtuous. The parable of the shepherd doesn't end with the shepherd grumbling that "That stupid lamb and gone astray. I hope it dies, because it doesn't behave like the rest of the sheep. The parable of the Prodigal son doesn't have the father telling his previously debauched son, go back to where you were and die. He interferes with the stoning of the harlot. Where does anyone get "Better dead than busted!" out of any of that? Bury your head in the sand if you choose, but don't tell the rest of us how to live. LIVE!!!
@@toriray6126 I never said anything about "knowing yourself". I said it is better to know FOR yourself than it is to take the word of a stranger. And that's a general principle that applies to any idea that's worth learning. The plain and honest truth is that immoral sexuality will always be condemned. First by God, and then by righteous people. Why anyone would praise sexual immorality is beyond me? Scripture teaches against sexual immorality quite a bit. Which is awesome. Truth be told.
@@sarahpinho1114 I'm a recent convert to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And I testify that exmo lex is overcome by her sin. She could be a great person but like many people they allow stubborness to come in the way of their hearts desires. Beside, I don't believe the lord makes a checklist of what he needs to do. You're just jealous that I'm on here telling people she's is completely wrong and I've only been a convert for six months.
Well, it takes a lot of dedication to be one of the sheep, you know? 🤤
Or just really shallow thinking, and fear of stepping out of line, in Mormon controlled communities.
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FOR REAL! 😁