I too have to agree with many of the comments here that there are a lot (TONS) of videos out there that are either conflicting, confusing, wrong or all together bad so thank you for being clear concise and on point. Well done. Coming from a long line of Audi S4...I just bought my first ever subaru (2021 WRX Limited) and the ride so far is almost too much fun. The thought of what is to come next is beyond exciting. Thanks so much for putting this out there. Good stuff. [insert goofy happy as a clam emoji here]...
Good video. I got a Cobb AP when they first came out (had to wait) in 2004. Ran Stage 1 ots on my wrx from ‘04-‘17, except when I ran Stage 2 ots with a catted dp. Never had an issue. That said, I had no other mods, and the stage 2 downpipe was a bellmouth design required by Cobb. Been running Cobb Stage 1 ots on my 2010 STi for last 2 years. Car is bone stock. The tune didn’t add any noticeable power gains, but it did get me much smoother and consistent throttle response and overall much better driveability. Stock, my car’s turbo would not have smooth power delivery. It was frustrating to drive. I bought the car used, from original owner, and it was bone stock - not returned to stock. Never modded. Thought about holding off on the tune but in less than a week, I ordered an AP and tuned Stage 1, 91 CA gas tune. Runs great now. Gotta figure these cars leave the factory with an oem ots tune. A custom tune will get best results, if you find a tuner you can trust - but I find the Cobb ots tunes fine if you are only modded to what they say for the tune. It’s typically a conservative tune too - you’ll get better results from a custom tune if you want to go that route, but I don’t bounce my car off the rev limiter. I drive conservatively, knowing I have the hp to move when I need to. (ok, sometimes I lay into it just for fun... but never have launched the car from a dead stop)
Nice video man. Your comment about older wrx's being more tolerant to OTS maps is correct. Mine is a 2002 with a perrin intake and tbe but hardly any feedback knock or fine learning. It does occur sometimes, but for a split second and always back to 0. It never happens on WOT. My DAM has always been 16
As a recently new Ford Focus RS owner. I appreciate your video. I'm new to the whole turbo scene. and don't know what to do and what not to do. thank you very much!
Your video it’s exactly what I needed. I have a 2020 STI deadstock. Just got my accessport and since planning on keeping it stock for sometime just went to a pro tuner and I’m super happy with the results. I was gonna go OTS maps but did follow your advise going to pro tuner. Makes a lot of sense. Thanks man.
I'm from the VW/Audi world but the downpipe thing is interesting because, at least for our cars, nearly every OTS stage 2 tune tells you an upgraded cat/catless downpipe is needed.
Totally anecdotal, but my STI had ringland failure on cyl 4 with Stage 1+ SF tune with just a Cobb intake & Nameless catback after several months. SOA agreed to replace the motor after the investigation and working with the dealer. Put the stock airbox back on the car after, and waiting until I have more funds for some more mods before a protune. Great video man and excellent advice.
@@Smeedia yup, Subaru of Wichita was very helpful in working through the process. They also mentioned that being part of the local Subaru community helped my case.
A friend of mine got the same issue on his 2019 STI, never tuned and less than 10k miles.. SOA did investigate and replaced his engine.. this was a weird one for sure..
Kelbaez no doubt... mine is a 2016. Glad he got it covered! Definitely less to discuss with if no mods, but they also look for signs of abuse or racing too.
yes I've been researching this for weeks now!! but you nailed it for me thank you!!! I'm in Wisconsin and the weather here is screwy all the time. giving me weird numbers drive after drive I'm going for a custom tune soon.
I’ve got a mk7 GLI, with all FBO’s. Got COBB AP. I’m probably going to run the OTS for a little until I get a chance to get a pro tune done. I’ve already checked the map notes. I think I should be good for a little. But thanks for explaining how everything is.
@@Smeedia loving it so much. Rides so nicely and pretty fast. Love all the features it has. And the best it surprising people on how fast it actually is. Also it’s an automatic so I got the DSG ;)
I just bought a 2015 WRX, and the previous owner already had a stage 2 +big sf COBB tune all ready to go. He had it catless and the dealership couldn't sell it without putting cats on. Then I learned, like you said in the video, I should look up what parts the COBB tune asks for. Now, I have to get it in the shop to put high flow cats on, cause the dealership ones aren't cutting it. I'm afraid to let loose with it not having the right parts.
Awesome video! Picked up my first WRX (2006) last year and have been slowly adding modifications. Planning on going stage 2 soon and this video helped me understand OTS maps vs pro tuning and the risks involved. Thanks so much!
Great video brother! Bought my first STI back in June and I love watching your videos. Just today I bought a new exhaust and I’m planning on getting a COBB intake with their OTS map. My concern so far is that I don’t want my car to be acting weird until I get a proper tune.
Good advice bro, I want to get my car down to AWD Performance but haven't had the time.... three years later... yeah so, I'm still on that OTS map, lolz. Keep up the good content dude!
I had 2017 wrx that I ran MAP (modern automotive performance) intake, DP and their stage 2 and had zero issues for 3 years. From the New England area so had similar weather to where they were located. Like you said, not everyone will have the same results, but it ran excellent for me. Had I been down south definitely would've ran a protune for heat and humidity. Now I've gone 20' STi...plan on protune only for this one.😁
Tan-man, just cracked open the AP. This video is really valuable & clear. You are building a library of helpful knowledge. Thanks Man! Ur car looks great in that color.
I'm one of those guys who's been using the OTS tune for years with good results so far with my 2018 WRX. Using the Cobb stage 0 93 OCT no mods. If I was to start modding I would start with a catback exhaust (stage 2). At that point I think I'd probably spring for a pro tune, from what I've heard the Cobb OTS tune is not that great once you start doing serious mods.
You need a TURBO BACK exhaust to run Stage 2. A catback doesn’t change the hp. That said, I’m not familiar with mods on the FA engine, but stage 2 has always required a downpipe (J pipe on the FA?).
@@stephen3164 You're correct. To push power on these cars you need a J Pipe. Catbacks and axlebacks do not need a tune. (As per Smeedia, and many others.)
Overall I've had a positive experience on the Cobb stage 1 map. My only modification under the hood is an AOS and I don't buy cheap gas. The stage 1 doesn't really add any power but it's a huge improvement in the smoothness of power delivery. It's a great driving feel mod. However I will not be continuing with the Cobb maps when I begin to mod for power.
thanks man this comment helps just as much as the video itself. I'm studying automotive technology but I'm going at this alone with my 2017 base wrx ... I don't want to increase hp I really just want to smooth it out and make a few small alterations to the gearbox so for now I think cobb stage 1 is enough for me. the wrx is my daily driver I have two years left paying on it and I dont want dealerships playing with me damaging sensors and then trying to charge me for diagnosis/repair
@@anthonyruan6976 Not really. It's honestly super useful to have for troubleshooting the health of your car too. I figured out I had a boost leak on my charge pipe from analyzing the data logs...there was no CEL so I wouldn't have known otherwise.
Hey, I have an 06 WRX with stage 2 mods from previous owner. Sti intercooler, catless downpipe and catback exhaust. I’ve been driving the car for 1200 miles over the course of 3 months and it’s been running smooth. My butt dyno was telling me that it was probably open sourced tune since it was running rich and smooth from what I felt. I’m getting an accessort this weekend to play it safe and to monitor feedback. Will the Cobb stage 2 OTS tune work with my setup until I’m ready to get etune ?
Great video, I have my car with a tomei and bypass only I want to get an AP but I’m still under warranty can I still get it just to monitor my dam, knock and all those without void my warranty??
OTS maps are fine for the basic mods as long as your using Cobb products, but your not going to see better performance. With a protune there's a noticible difference in power as the tuner can make the map more aggressive.
The car effects the tune, the tune effects the car reminds me of the chicken and the egg dilemma, “which came first the chicken or the egg?” Similar insightful circular thinking 🤔. Now Smeediavision is thought provoking too, who knew !
A custom tune from an experienced Protuner is always a good idea, but OTS maps are objectively safe to use if used properly....remember...the OEM tune is also an OTS tune. They ain't custom tuning any cars coming out of the factory, its a one size fits all tune as well. And if you datalog most OEM tunes compared to COBB's OTS maps with the same conditions of fuel and environment, the COBB maps actually tend to knock less and run safer fueling. So yes, protune when possible because no OTS map can account for all variables, but it is a massive fallacy that COBB OTS maps are "dangerous". 90% of the major failures to cars using them are from the owner doing dumb things, or simply from the fact that stuff breaks when you drive it hard and may have happened regardless of the tune. Unfortunately the modern "tuning" scene is full of a lot of people that do stuff wrong and then blame the products instead of themselves.
Most of the failures I see is that people do not follow the map notes with OTS Tunes, the farther people deviate away from the map the higher potential for issues to happen. And while cobbd maps may be safer the moment you upload one you throw any warranty out the window. While aftermarket OTS aren't the ideal tune to use they do work relatively well for some cars
Really good video! Quesiton regarding the stage 2 you mentioned. Is that strictly just adding a downpipe? Or is that downpipe, catback, and the intake? Got some coming in, and want to make sure i dont upload the wrong ots. Befote i get a pro tune.
After watching this I realized what happened to my car. I 100% had boost creep. I’m sure the OTS tune I was using is supposed to be for the stock turbo and stock bypass valve which is 19 psi(?) I believe, but when I would get on the throttle, I would see 21+ psi on my boost readings. That’s exactly why I had detonation, which ended up blowing up the rod bearing on cylinder 4. I had a gut feeling the high boost reading wasn’t right... I should have went with my gut feeling. Oh well, rebuild is halfway done now. Can’t wait to have her back on the road.
Smeedia I’m shooting for around 350 whp. I don’t think I have all the right parts for it though. I’m installing a Crawford S2 short block. I need to either replace/ rebuild my stock turbo, but I’m not really sure which turbo to go with. I’ve been told stock turbo so what I should go with.
I came across your video today. I purchased a 2019 WRX with COBB mods on it already including Catback exhausts. I am currently seeking a COBB accessport to find out the amount of tuning on the car if any.
This video is very helpful thank you . Just got a lapis blue pearl 18 Sti car came with borla cbe and Cobb intake and no AP . Original owner says he never had a AP or tune according to salesman as I ask him to call him to verify . Knowing me cobb intake no tune freak me out bought a AP , waiting for my laptop to get here this week . My question is I’m not planning on doing anymore mods besides buying a Cobb air box since the car only has the Cobb intake . What map should I run ? Stage 1 or 1 + . Car has Cobb intake ( buying airbox soon) and borla exhaust)
i was on cobb stage 2, drove my car like a grandma for 4 months until i could get dynoed. i just did not trust it enough to drive how i want to without much worry on a pro tune.
so i just got a 2020 wrx and it came with a cobb intercooler and cobb intake and charge pipe aswell as an exhaust...should i go accessport or pro tune?
Might sound dumb just getting into this but if I start with a OTS tune and go to a pro tune can u still leave the access port plugged in to monitor everything or does it mess up the tune.
Different perform but I have a flame tune and oil dilution is a problem but not a major one if your tune otherwise is good and you change your oil frequently. If you are someone that likes extended oil change intervals, don't do a flame/ gurgle tune. Speaking from experience here. I can see a difference in oil pressure fairly quick from a be fresh change when I have the flame map on. Also can smell the gas in the oil much stronger when I do change it. Still love the sound and look of a flame tune. However I don't think I make friends when I decide to drive that car to work in the morning at 5am.
Lol I'm sure the neighbors love it 😅 out of curiosity how much of a change do you see in oil pressure from a fresh change to after it's been diluted a bit?
I honestly wanted the AP just to get rid of the dang rev hang in my WRX and give me some way to monitor essentials. Stage 1 Cobb has been fine since i have nothing but a catback, though I did have DAM drop a little while ago (probably bad gas). I DO want to get on an etune soon but I want to at least get an intake and do some of my first important maintenance to make it worthwhile. I'll probably swap to the 91 octane cobb tune soon even though i have 93 in my area. It just makes sense in case i travel and cant get such high octane.
Hey brother nice video..just bought 15 sti with 100k it has Cobb intake exhaust..not sure what kind yet..has burnt blue tips and maybe some other modes but not sure since bought from dealer..no accesport was with car but I have one..I was told on wrx that once I did big sf intake I needed to use that map selection or engine light may turn on..this sti has no engine light and don't know if it's been pro tuned..should I try accessport?
14 sti here invidia catless dp, nameless midpipe and catback.. stock intake .. Cobb stage2 tune 93oct.. got all that installed at 75k I am now at 110k 🤞🏼🙏🏼.. lol
i just got a v3 accessport for my 2011 wrx. I have a stock air box (with a k n n air box filter) and a stock downpipe with a custom exhaust job. what tune should i use OTS on my accessport?
If you buy a used WRX and it doesn't have the AccessPort is there a way to know or tell if a tune has been added? Also, are there other Access Ports besides Cobb?
I have a OTS tune. APR. It was flawless stage 1 but when I went IS20 tubo with tune I started having high rpm WOT misfires. This is for 2015 VW golf 1.8T FWD auto. I'm still trying to figure it out or find a better suited option.
What is a good way to just get more induction noise that doesn’t require a whole lot of tuning and is safe? I’ve looked into the COBB SF intake and it seems like the thing I’m after. Do you have any recommendations or better ways to increase induction noise on a 2019 STI all stock? I wish they made an SPF intake for newer models like they did for the 04-07 sti gens
Right now I have a 2016 Lexus IS 200t f sport and I'm running a HPS air intake, ark exhaust, downpipe, HPS charge pipe, and a racechip gets tuning box, do you think I'm better off switching to a high flow catalytic converters ? Also if I do switch to a high flow catalytic converter will my cel go on? Will I be able to pass emissions?
If you didn't have the ETS FMIC already, I'd be bugging you to do the GrimmSpeed FMIC install and review. I just ordered a kit and I'm super excited to get it in.
Just got a 2020 wrx. Only planning on putting air intake and cat back. Will OTS be good...I drive lots of highway miles. Liken it stuff man. I'm brand new to this stuff
I’m new to Subarus. What tune would you need for an intake downpipe? Do you pay for a pro tune after installing parts? How do you e tune. If there’s no ots map for downpipes. I can’t find anything, I’m also a noob! Someone give me a answer lol
question my car is stock i have a tuner in my area local to me, do i even need to get a accessport?? i understand that your buying a off the shelf tune and download it to the ecu, but isnt that what those tuners do from there own computer,create a tune and download it to the ecu,i coud be totally wrong here to learn ;) just curious could save me money?
I recently bought an 2020 STI, I was watching all your videos but I’m not sure what I need. Is my daily drive but I’m a little disappointed of the stock performance so I would like to install an exhaust, air filter, blow off valve and I’m assuming a pro tune. Could you help me? What will you suggest?
i have a 2016 wrx premium and i am new to cars. my car feels like it has a powerband and it hesitates when im around 4k rpm and once it gets to abt 5k rpm it flys. how to i fix this? I am running stage 2 frn 91oct
Could I run a grimmspeed intake with a cobb stage 1+ ots tune? And do you know of any good protuners around the Spokane area, because I’m from Northern Idaho.
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This video is perfect and exactly what I've been looking for, this is the only channel that's actually reliable for this stuff 🔥🔥🔥
Glad i could get it made for everyone 🙏🙏 ans glad that it helps 😁😁
100% agree ... Great Job, keep it up
Many thanks
Same, owned four so far, and this guy is legit. Trusted
Jesus Christ. I just bought a subi and learned very quickly that all subi guys have their own language.
Eyyyy, congrats on the new pick up 🔥🔥🔥
@@Smeedia got all my parts for a stage 1+
I too have to agree with many of the comments here that there are a lot (TONS) of videos out there that are either conflicting, confusing, wrong or all together bad so thank you for being clear concise and on point. Well done. Coming from a long line of Audi S4...I just bought my first ever subaru (2021 WRX Limited) and the ride so far is almost too much fun. The thought of what is to come next is beyond exciting. Thanks so much for putting this out there. Good stuff. [insert goofy happy as a clam emoji here]...
Eyyy appreciate the support and congrats on the car! Always here if ya have questions 🔥
I needed this in my life. I just got an AP, and I’m still getting used to it.
Perfect timing then! Congrats on the new accessport 🙏🔥
Good video. I got a Cobb AP when they first came out (had to wait) in 2004. Ran Stage 1 ots on my wrx from ‘04-‘17, except when I ran Stage 2 ots with a catted dp. Never had an issue. That said, I had no other mods, and the stage 2 downpipe was a bellmouth design required by Cobb.
Been running Cobb Stage 1 ots on my 2010 STi for last 2 years. Car is bone stock. The tune didn’t add any noticeable power gains, but it did get me much smoother and consistent throttle response and overall much better driveability. Stock, my car’s turbo would not have smooth power delivery. It was frustrating to drive. I bought the car used, from original owner, and it was bone stock - not returned to stock. Never modded. Thought about holding off on the tune but in less than a week, I ordered an AP and tuned Stage 1, 91 CA gas tune. Runs great now.
Gotta figure these cars leave the factory with an oem ots tune. A custom tune will get best results, if you find a tuner you can trust - but I find the Cobb ots tunes fine if you are only modded to what they say for the tune. It’s typically a conservative tune too - you’ll get better results from a custom tune if you want to go that route, but I don’t bounce my car off the rev limiter. I drive conservatively, knowing I have the hp to move when I need to. (ok, sometimes I lay into it just for fun... but never have launched the car from a dead stop)
Agreed, the problems really come into play when people deviate from the map notes. Did you have the V1 AP?!
Nice video man. Your comment about older wrx's being more tolerant to OTS maps is correct. Mine is a 2002 with a perrin intake and tbe but hardly any feedback knock or fine learning. It does occur sometimes, but for a split second and always back to 0. It never happens on WOT. My DAM has always been 16
Glad to hear! And thise older ECUs just seem to handle them a bit better
As a recently new Ford Focus RS owner. I appreciate your video. I'm new to the whole turbo scene. and don't know what to do and what not to do. thank you very much!
Congrats and jelly on the car my dude! Glad that the videos have helped 🔥🙏
@@Smeedia thanks brother much appreciated 👍❤️ and your Subaru looks f****** amazing ❤️❤️
Thank you 🔥🙏
You are by far the most knowledgeable person I have come across on YT for our cars! Ty kind sir
Thank you! Appreciate the support 🙏
Your video it’s exactly what I needed. I have a 2020 STI deadstock. Just got my accessport and since planning on keeping it stock for sometime just went to a pro tuner and I’m super happy with the results. I was gonna go OTS maps but did follow your advise going to pro tuner. Makes a lot of sense. Thanks man.
Glad the info helped my man! 🙏😁
it always does. Thanks 🙏🙏🙏
I'm from the VW/Audi world but the downpipe thing is interesting because, at least for our cars, nearly every OTS stage 2 tune tells you an upgraded cat/catless downpipe is needed.
Totally anecdotal, but my STI had ringland failure on cyl 4 with Stage 1+ SF tune with just a Cobb intake & Nameless catback after several months. SOA agreed to replace the motor after the investigation and working with the dealer. Put the stock airbox back on the car after, and waiting until I have more funds for some more mods before a protune. Great video man and excellent advice.
Sorry to hear but glad that theyre taking care of you 🙏 got a nice dealership with that one!
@@Smeedia yup, Subaru of Wichita was very helpful in working through the process. They also mentioned that being part of the local Subaru community helped my case.
A friend of mine got the same issue on his 2019 STI, never tuned and less than 10k miles.. SOA did investigate and replaced his engine.. this was a weird one for sure..
Kelbaez no doubt... mine is a 2016. Glad he got it covered! Definitely less to discuss with if no mods, but they also look for signs of abuse or racing too.
Wow... u got ringland from just the stage 1 tune n intake? That’s fucking ridiculous ..... I swear that’s just sad af.
yes I've been researching this for weeks now!! but you nailed it for me thank you!!! I'm in Wisconsin and the weather here is screwy all the time. giving me weird numbers drive after drive I'm going for a custom tune soon.
Glad that the video helped my man! 🙏😁
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@@Bartholomew_VonEsquire_Thee_IV little brother!
I don’t even know what an OPS tune or whatever you call it is, but I’ve had no problems whatsoever. Definitely recommend
It will vary from car to car and location to location. As long as you follow the MAP notes they can be okay.
O.T.S = Off the shelf
@@Smeedia I’ve been running my COTS prune for like 6 minutes and it’s working flawlessly
@@Smeedia just giving you a hard time man, you made a comment about people saying their ots tunes run perfectly fine in the video 😂
@@Smeedia one month owner of an 18 wrx, been listening to all your videos at work, love the content!
Lmao I was about to say this dudes trolling hard right now 😅😅😅
Tanner! I finally got my accessport today.
I’ve got a mk7 GLI, with all FBO’s. Got COBB AP. I’m probably going to run the OTS for a little until I get a chance to get a pro tune done. I’ve already checked the map notes. I think I should be good for a little. But thanks for explaining how everything is.
How are you liking the GLI? We've been looking at snagging a GTI but easier said than done to find them for a reasonable price 😅
@@Smeedia loving it so much. Rides so nicely and pretty fast. Love all the features it has. And the best it surprising people on how fast it actually is. Also it’s an automatic so I got the DSG ;)
I just bought a 2015 WRX, and the previous owner already had a stage 2 +big sf COBB tune all ready to go. He had it catless and the dealership couldn't sell it without putting cats on. Then I learned, like you said in the video, I should look up what parts the COBB tune asks for. Now, I have to get it in the shop to put high flow cats on, cause the dealership ones aren't cutting it. I'm afraid to let loose with it not having the right parts.
Definitely make sure you've got the right parts on there 🙏 those cats wouldent do anything harmful aside from reduce exhaust flow 😖
Awesome video! Picked up my first WRX (2006) last year and have been slowly adding modifications. Planning on going stage 2 soon and this video helped me understand OTS maps vs pro tuning and the risks involved. Thanks so much!
Glad that the video helped my man 🙏😁
Just got a 2007 WRX two months ago, AP will be here Monday, nice seeing another Hawkeye!!
Ethan RS congrats on getting a Hawkeye man! I absolutely love mine. Take good care of it and they run forever!
Great video brother! Bought my first STI back in June and I love watching your videos. Just today I bought a new exhaust and I’m planning on getting a COBB intake with their OTS map. My concern so far is that I don’t want my car to be acting weird until I get a proper tune.
Congrats on the car! And mostly likley will not start acting weird, but some cars just don't respond well to them. 🙏
Great info...this is my first sti and im learnign alot from this chanel...
Glad that the videos are helping 🙏🔥
Good advice bro, I want to get my car down to AWD Performance but haven't had the time.... three years later... yeah so, I'm still on that OTS map, lolz. Keep up the good content dude!
Vohaul214 have you had any problems and which OTS map?
Thanks my man! Hoping that OTS Tune still does you good 🔥😁
@@subiegang4917 The Cobb Stage 1+. I have an invidia N1 and Mishimoto CAI. '16 STi Limited. Run 93 and send it, everywhere.
Sweet SRT4, i had one and loved it
This clears up a lot of things about OTS tunes. Thank you
Anytime my man 🙏
Wow third video in a row I’ve seen and I’m absolutely subscribed now! Wow amazing info
I had 2017 wrx that I ran MAP (modern automotive performance) intake, DP and their stage 2 and had zero issues for 3 years. From the New England area so had similar weather to where they were located. Like you said, not everyone will have the same results, but it ran excellent for me. Had I been down south definitely would've ran a protune for heat and humidity. Now I've gone 20' STi...plan on protune only for this one.😁
Glaf that you had no issues and a protune should do your new STI nicely 🔥😁
Tan-man, just cracked open the AP. This video is really valuable & clear. You are building a library of helpful knowledge. Thanks Man! Ur car looks great in that color.
Thank you! Congrats on the new accessport and glad the videos helping!
Ben a muscle car guy all my life just got a 03 wrx in sonic yellow low miles and love the car
My OTS tune has been running great on my 2021 STI
Glad to hear 🔥
I'm one of those guys who's been using the OTS tune for years with good results so far with my 2018 WRX. Using the Cobb stage 0 93 OCT no mods. If I was to start modding I would start with a catback exhaust (stage 2). At that point I think I'd probably spring for a pro tune, from what I've heard the Cobb OTS tune is not that great once you start doing serious mods.
That is correct, anything past stage 2 really gets dicey. Glad to hear that you've had minimal issues though! 🙏🔥
You need a TURBO BACK exhaust to run Stage 2. A catback doesn’t change the hp. That said, I’m not familiar with mods on the FA engine, but stage 2 has always required a downpipe (J pipe on the FA?).
@@stephen3164 You're correct. To push power on these cars you need a J Pipe. Catbacks and axlebacks do not need a tune. (As per Smeedia, and many others.)
Bro I've been looking for so many clear explanations for this thank you so much!!!!! PERFECT VIDEO
Eyyyy, glad it helped! 😁
Overall I've had a positive experience on the Cobb stage 1 map. My only modification under the hood is an AOS and I don't buy cheap gas. The stage 1 doesn't really add any power but it's a huge improvement in the smoothness of power delivery. It's a great driving feel mod. However I will not be continuing with the Cobb maps when I begin to mod for power.
Smart idea 🙏 glad to hear that your car has not been having any issues with it 🔥
thanks man this comment helps just as much as the video itself. I'm studying automotive technology but I'm going at this alone with my 2017 base wrx ... I don't want to increase hp I really just want to smooth it out and make a few small alterations to the gearbox so for now I think cobb stage 1 is enough for me. the wrx is my daily driver I have two years left paying on it and I dont want dealerships playing with me damaging sensors and then trying to charge me for diagnosis/repair
I can't wait to get my pro tune and get off stg 2 cobb :)
Yessss 🙏🙏🙏
Getting COBB stage 1+ tune, with all the items coming from COBB. Evetuenlly will get pro tune, but for now this will feel good
Solid upgrade over stock! 😁😁
The cobb stage 1 tune doesn't require an aftermarket intake FYI but loves the videos man! keep up the hard work!
You sir are correct! Had to double check that one, but thank you! 🙏
This was really helpful, thank you for it.
Glad it helped 🔥😁
Just pulled the trigger on my first AP yeah boi!!
Eyyyyy, congrats!!!!
Any issues?
@@anthonyruan6976 Not really. It's honestly super useful to have for troubleshooting the health of your car too. I figured out I had a boost leak on my charge pipe from analyzing the data logs...there was no CEL so I wouldn't have known otherwise.
Bruhhh this guy knows wtf he's talking about.
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Got stage 1 and stage 1+ mixed up, but I'd still recommend a protune
i got a stage2+ LWG with
mishimoto intake
remark catback single exit
invidia j pipe
im glad to say i rarely have feedback knock
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Hitting that sub button. Thanks for the vid!
Appreciate the support and have a good 4th!
This guy don't miss
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Thanks Tanner. I needed this. Pro Tune it is.
Glad i could help! 🔥😁
Hey, I have an 06 WRX with stage 2 mods from previous owner. Sti intercooler, catless downpipe and catback exhaust. I’ve been driving the car for 1200 miles over the course of 3 months and it’s been running smooth. My butt dyno was telling me that it was probably open sourced tune since it was running rich and smooth from what I felt.
I’m getting an accessort this weekend to play it safe and to monitor feedback. Will the Cobb stage 2 OTS tune work with my setup until I’m ready to get etune ?
Great video, I have my car with a tomei and bypass only I want to get an AP but I’m still under warranty can I still get it just to monitor my dam, knock and all those without void my warranty??
Needed this ! Love you my dude
Anytime my man 🙏🔥
OTS maps are fine for the basic mods as long as your using Cobb products, but your not going to see better performance. With a protune there's a noticible difference in power as the tuner can make the map more aggressive.
This. People just spread so much bullshit about OTS tunes. Are they amazing? No. But they’re conservative so they don’t mess your car up
The car effects the tune, the tune effects the car reminds me of the chicken and the egg dilemma, “which came first the chicken or the egg?” Similar insightful circular thinking 🤔. Now Smeediavision is thought provoking too, who knew !
Which one did come first 😉
A custom tune from an experienced Protuner is always a good idea, but OTS maps are objectively safe to use if used properly....remember...the OEM tune is also an OTS tune. They ain't custom tuning any cars coming out of the factory, its a one size fits all tune as well. And if you datalog most OEM tunes compared to COBB's OTS maps with the same conditions of fuel and environment, the COBB maps actually tend to knock less and run safer fueling. So yes, protune when possible because no OTS map can account for all variables, but it is a massive fallacy that COBB OTS maps are "dangerous". 90% of the major failures to cars using them are from the owner doing dumb things, or simply from the fact that stuff breaks when you drive it hard and may have happened regardless of the tune. Unfortunately the modern "tuning" scene is full of a lot of people that do stuff wrong and then blame the products instead of themselves.
Most of the failures I see is that people do not follow the map notes with OTS Tunes, the farther people deviate away from the map the higher potential for issues to happen. And while cobbd maps may be safer the moment you upload one you throw any warranty out the window. While aftermarket OTS aren't the ideal tune to use they do work relatively well for some cars
Really good video! Quesiton regarding the stage 2 you mentioned. Is that strictly just adding a downpipe? Or is that downpipe, catback, and the intake? Got some coming in, and want to make sure i dont upload the wrong ots. Befote i get a pro tune.
After watching this I realized what happened to my car. I 100% had boost creep. I’m sure the OTS tune I was using is supposed to be for the stock turbo and stock bypass valve which is 19 psi(?) I believe, but when I would get on the throttle, I would see 21+ psi on my boost readings. That’s exactly why I had detonation, which ended up blowing up the rod bearing on cylinder 4.
I had a gut feeling the high boost reading wasn’t right... I should have went with my gut feeling. Oh well, rebuild is halfway done now. Can’t wait to have her back on the road.
Sorry to hear 😖 how much power are you shooting for after the rebuild?
Smeedia I’m shooting for around 350 whp. I don’t think I have all the right parts for it though. I’m installing a Crawford S2 short block. I need to either replace/ rebuild my stock turbo, but I’m not really sure which turbo to go with. I’ve been told stock turbo so what I should go with.
Stock location FB blue is what I went with, made 357WHP on pump gas
Smeedia Excellent! Thank you for the recommendation
We still get 95 and 98 here buddy, expensive as hell, but better to burn out than fade away lol 🤙
Very very true 🙏🔥
your the best thanks!!
Eyyyy, appreciate the support 🔥
Thanks...
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I have an upgraded HPFP and intake but stock downpipe. Should I use the stage 2 tune ?
I came across your video today. I purchased a 2019 WRX with COBB mods on it already including Catback exhausts. I am currently seeking a COBB accessport to find out the amount of tuning on the car if any.
This video is very helpful thank you . Just got a lapis blue pearl 18 Sti car came with borla cbe and Cobb intake and no AP . Original owner says he never had a AP or tune according to salesman as I ask him to call him to verify . Knowing me cobb intake no tune freak me out bought a AP , waiting for my laptop to get here this week . My question is I’m not planning on doing anymore mods besides buying a Cobb air box since the car only has the Cobb intake . What map should I run ? Stage 1 or 1 + . Car has Cobb intake ( buying airbox soon) and borla exhaust)
i was on cobb stage 2, drove my car like a grandma for 4 months until i could get dynoed. i just did not trust it enough to drive how i want to without much worry on a pro tune.
I dont blamw you at all, ive seen some cars throw fits on some OTS Tunss
so i just got a 2020 wrx and it came with a cobb intercooler and cobb intake and charge pipe aswell as an exhaust...should i go accessport or pro tune?
Personally would suggest a protune 🤙
Grate info bro , thank you!
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Might sound dumb just getting into this but if I start with a OTS tune and go to a pro tune can u still leave the access port plugged in to monitor everything or does it mess up the tune.
Yes you can 🙏
Super good job
Different perform but I have a flame tune and oil dilution is a problem but not a major one if your tune otherwise is good and you change your oil frequently. If you are someone that likes extended oil change intervals, don't do a flame/ gurgle tune. Speaking from experience here. I can see a difference in oil pressure fairly quick from a be fresh change when I have the flame map on. Also can smell the gas in the oil much stronger when I do change it.
Still love the sound and look of a flame tune. However I don't think I make friends when I decide to drive that car to work in the morning at 5am.
Lol I'm sure the neighbors love it 😅 out of curiosity how much of a change do you see in oil pressure from a fresh change to after it's been diluted a bit?
I honestly wanted the AP just to get rid of the dang rev hang in my WRX and give me some way to monitor essentials. Stage 1 Cobb has been fine since i have nothing but a catback, though I did have DAM drop a little while ago (probably bad gas). I DO want to get on an etune soon but I want to at least get an intake and do some of my first important maintenance to make it worthwhile. I'll probably swap to the 91 octane cobb tune soon even though i have 93 in my area. It just makes sense in case i travel and cant get such high octane.
Not a bad idea, and bad gas is always a possibility for reduced dam 🙏
Hey brother nice video..just bought 15 sti with 100k it has Cobb intake exhaust..not sure what kind yet..has burnt blue tips and maybe some other modes but not sure since bought from dealer..no accesport was with car but I have one..I was told on wrx that once I did big sf intake I needed to use that map selection or engine light may turn on..this sti has no engine light and don't know if it's been pro tuned..should I try accessport?
I just started learning about cars its sounds like your speaking in a different language
If you add a different part should you swap to the stock tune until you get a pro tune?
14 sti here invidia catless dp, nameless midpipe and catback.. stock intake .. Cobb stage2 tune 93oct.. got all that installed at 75k I am now at 110k 🤞🏼🙏🏼.. lol
Sounds like it's been good so far! 🙏
@smeedia I just got my AP from MAPerformance. My 18 WRX is stock besides axle back exhaust.. would I be fine with running the tune they provide?
Which tune of theirs? 🙏
Have a question. Haven’t seen it in a video yet. Buying a 09 wrx hatchback, and was curious to know if I could run a HKS ssqv on an OTS
What if I have an axle back and the intake? Should I go with stage 1 or stage 1+?
Hey smeedia so my 2020 sti just has a cat back exhaust what ots tune should I run ?
Who do you recommend for a e-tune?
So if I have a catback exhaust its stage 0? Because I heard the stage 0 is the stock tune
Catbacks don't require any type of tune 🤙
But stage 0 is what you'd use for all stock
Very very very informational
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i just got a v3 accessport for my 2011 wrx. I have a stock air box (with a k n n air box filter) and a stock downpipe with a custom exhaust job. what tune should i use OTS on my accessport?
Love it,love the car
Thank you 🥳🥳🥳
If you buy a used WRX and it doesn't have the AccessPort is there a way to know or tell if a tune has been added? Also, are there other Access Ports besides Cobb?
I have a OTS tune. APR. It was flawless stage 1 but when I went IS20 tubo with tune I started having high rpm WOT misfires. This is for 2015 VW golf 1.8T FWD auto. I'm still trying to figure it out or find a better suited option.
What tune would you recommend for my 2015 dsg Volkswagen gti, I already have apr stage 1 and I’m ready for stage 2
What is a good way to just get more induction noise that doesn’t require a whole lot of tuning and is safe? I’ve looked into the COBB SF intake and it seems like the thing I’m after. Do you have any recommendations or better ways to increase induction noise on a 2019 STI all stock? I wish they made an SPF intake for newer models like they did for the 04-07 sti gens
SF intake will get you the sound 🔥 you can run the stage 1 map with thr intake without issue
Right now I have a 2016 Lexus IS 200t f sport and I'm running a HPS air intake, ark exhaust, downpipe, HPS charge pipe, and a racechip gets tuning box, do you think I'm better off switching to a high flow catalytic converters ? Also if I do switch to a high flow catalytic converter will my cel go on? Will I be able to pass emissions?
If you didn't have the ETS FMIC already, I'd be bugging you to do the GrimmSpeed FMIC install and review.
I just ordered a kit and I'm super excited to get it in.
Ive seen a couple people use it, whats the cost on one of them? 👀🔥
@@Smeedia 1750 including bumper bar.
1650 with bare metal core.
Oooooof thats pricey 😖
Just got a 2020 wrx. Only planning on putting air intake and cat back. Will OTS be good...I drive lots of highway miles. Liken it stuff man. I'm brand new to this stuff
OTS should be just fine 🙏 congrats on the car!
I’m new to Subarus. What tune would you need for an intake downpipe? Do you pay for a pro tune after installing parts? How do you e tune. If there’s no ots map for downpipes. I can’t find anything, I’m also a noob! Someone give me a answer lol
So who do you suggest for buying an etune?
Delicious tuning 👌
@@Smeedia thanks homie.
Can I run a Cobb access, port, and a colder intake without a pro tune?
question my car is stock i have a tuner in my area local to me, do i even need to get a accessport?? i understand that your buying a off the shelf tune and download it to the ecu, but isnt that what those tuners do from there own computer,create a tune and download it to the ecu,i coud be totally wrong here to learn ;) just curious could save me money?
I have a AWE full catback exhaust for wrx. Can I run Stage 1? This only mods that i have and I just installed my AP
No, you need an intake for the stage 1 map 🙏 you'll want the stage 0
@@Smeedia thanks! Thats why it feels different I’ve been running stage 1 for 3weeks now and hopefully nothing goes bad. I will put it to stage 0
I recently bought an 2020 STI, I was watching all your videos but I’m not sure what I need. Is my daily drive but I’m a little disappointed of the stock performance so I would like to install an exhaust, air filter, blow off valve and I’m assuming a pro tune. Could you help me? What will you suggest?
So if I have just a muffler delete and the air intake Cobb, boomba bbv, I should be running stage 1 big sf+ ?
Yessir 🙏
@@Smeedia thank you sir👌🏽
i have a 2016 wrx premium and i am new to cars. my car feels like it has a powerband and it hesitates when im around 4k rpm and once it gets to abt 5k rpm it flys. how to i fix this? I am running stage 2 frn 91oct
Can you get boost creep with an intermediate pipe that deletes the second cat?
Do you need a OTS tune when putting engine mods on my 2019 wrx?
You can use an OTS tune and you will need to tune for most parts
Hello. Is any can help me. I got aftermarket inteck. But I got a code P0300 and P0171. Do I need access port. To fixed it? ?? Thank you.
Could I run a grimmspeed intake with a cobb stage 1+ ots tune? And do you know of any good protuners around the Spokane area, because I’m from Northern Idaho.
Very useful...m
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Can I use Reflash Only: River-91 oct-High
Boost-Final With POPS AND FLAMES
I'm in the north west Olympia area looking for a pro tuner how might I find one?
so i have the accessport with a 2019 wrx and when i upload a file its saying im gonna overwrite another file???? is this normal?
Got a Cobb 20g and Cobb Intake on my 2013 Sti, what map would I run? Jus ordered my AP.
Either an Etune or Protune, there are no OTS Maps that support that turbo
I have a Cobb catted Down pipe, still had overboosting issues