I love how the EPA loves to target a very small portion of car drivers but doesn't give a shit about the massive pollution waste of corporations. This year I just finished my build with no cats and a tgv delete and spent 600 bucks on an accessport to get it tuned.
finally someone that knows what is actually going on! the environmental green weenie liberal hack psychos are using the environment as a front to back door funds to shell company donors and personal gain. they are liars and frauds and have been caught misappropriating funds at a disgusting level and they willl not stop. we have to vote these sick twisted fcking people the fck out of here
remember when trump essentially disbanded the epa..... then biden brings it back, thank you for getting biden in office real smart choice of you all that did
I inquired with my tuner about this after watching your video last night. Luckily he has a 14 day grace period and I'm now scrambling to get that e85 sensor in hand, installed and the car tuned before the deadline. LOL. Thanks for keeping us updated on this my friend.
@@Smeedia will do. I've already upgraded the fuel system. Had the car tuned a couple weeks ago. Installing the sensor shouldn't be horrible. It's really just a matter of the shipping company getting me the part. I'm in AZ by the way so if you have any followers here that need a tuner with that grace period, there is a guy here that did a phenomenal job for me. Also, thanks for your advice on that banjo bolt. "Good n tight" did the trick 🤣
I did etunes with a tactrix and rom raider with my old wrx. It’s pretty simple. It’s also easy to go in and turn off the emissions related cel codes on your own. 😉
Most tuners I talked to in my area dropped COBB completely, since they just lost a big portion of there money. They should of gave a 90 day grace period for tuners.
Lots of great info. Thank you. I think cobb has effectively lost a huge amount of consumers with the moves they have made. I personally won't support cobb going forward.
@@jonathonmcrae5671 you can buy an obd2 sender that sends it via bluetooth to your phone with an app. I might have to go this route when I finish gathering the parts for my next tune. I'll be going open source, so will be getting one of them to go with it
cobb isnt to blame... blame the EPA and the liberal democrats that fraudulently run that scam organization. but no keep voting for the dems they sure are improving everyones life =]
excellent video, only thing I'd add is the adapting harnesses are pretty easy to make. Just need like 100 bucks in pinning tools, wire, and the ecu connectors. Open source, and tactrix has always been the most cost effective tuning option, I've been steering people away from the accessport since 2009.
That is true in regards Subaru's were tuned way before cobb via other sources, I remember I started from open source tuning and it worked fine as well.
@@jonathanb1987 Thats mostly because of the OTS tunes, people started putting them on cars and not getting tuned on the dyno. They would have wrong parts and still think its ok...then Rodney comes knocking.
Or just crack older access tuner builds that don't lock you out....unless you have a newer vehicle with limited features from Cobb already, there's nothing they'll add you can't add in yourself with a little knowledge or a friend who can. Lobby your states to stop emissions testing. The EPA might have some credibility when they ban private jet use or other large polluters...bit they pay to play, so it's ok for the govt bureaucracy
Can't u just weld a new bung in, and run your own power lead to it?... pretty much going back to the late 90's, early 2000's when you had to add a whole sweat of sensors and hardware to a piggyback ecu...
@@blaqkhavok4863 True. But then you lose to ability to monitor your wideband through the ecu. Cobb no longer allows you to have the ability to manipulate the rear 02 voltage points.
What I worry about is now that the government/EPA has successfully accomplished this. Where and when will they stop. I’m afraid of the slippery slope that this could go down. I could rant about private jets, ships, power demands for EV charging etc etc. Im going to stop at just leave it alone don’t check us if your not going to check yourselves first.
The damn EPA will smash us all anyway eventually. I just started tuning my 21 wrx. Probably gonna start buying parts and stock them in storage lol. You give the government a mile, they’ll take a 1000.
The thing is, modifying cars has been federally illegal for quite some time, it just wasn't strongly enforced. With that perspective, if the EPA is involved, they are throwing COBB and other tuning/aftermarket companies a bone by simply saying do what you want as long as you don't modify emission control software.
Snowball is rolling. That's why I decided to stop making excuses and pull the trigger on my dream car. Cuz in a few years Im about to daily a tesla and the sti will be the gem in the garage. TImes are changing sadly
@@MrMcbear I’m just modding my power run down bugeye. I’m just a poor boy with a dream and it’s taking years to complete. Now it’s going to take learning money and more time. Haltech it is now just to decide if i wanna go platinum pro or elite. Thankfully there is plug and play for my car.
i would've given open source tuning a Linux example instead of Microsoft..plus, thank you for this video, quick after the news, simple, well explained. just great overall. We appreciate you sir!
@@rawrbrz in for more details... If im just getting burnt again in a year it's time to consider motek or something manufactured outside of the "United socialist states of America" Brandon's AFT after muh gumz, now his EPA is after my cornfed Scooby... The right of the people to hoon and shred tires shall not be infringed.
I just got an email from cobb this morning. They are issuing refunds within a 12 month period of purchase. "Hey Cameron,
Thank you for contacting COBB Tuning! My name is Kyle and I'll be happy to assist you.
We are honoring returns of the flex fuel kits as long as they were purchased from a dealer within the last 12 months. If you have a purchase receipt please send it over and I'll be happy to start an RMA.
from what I've heard from tuners, atleast for the mazdaspeed platform is that tunes are in no way affected, we'll just have a CEL if we delete emission stuff or get catless downpipes. Also that they might be forced to comply to the emissions stuff as well meaning no matter what tuning software they are using, theyre gonna have to comply to not delete emissions sensors and readiness criteria
I don’t wanna say that the entire flex fuel kit from cobb or any other manufacturer is useless at the moment. It still has fuel lines, it still has a mount, it still has a GM ethanol sensor. Can actually get a standalone gauge to monitor your ethanol content, plug it into the ethanol sensor and use that to tune for your duel map, and to be sure that it is indeed the correct mixture of fuel before switching your maps. Just my two cents on the matter. As for cobb issuing a refund I highly doubt that they will do that but I think when they develop the new wiring harness they should honor either a trade back of the old wiring harness or something along those lines
IMO your better off returning it and piecing together a kit for less than half the price. (But that also depends on if people have them in box still or installed) Surprisingly enough they have been refunding people if the sensor was purchased in the last 12 months 🔥
You basically ran down the list of everything I had done when I had mine built. So I am pretty well stuck at where I am unless I want to have all my go fast bits removed. Just got to hope they can make flex carb compliant. Or try to go open source. Or spend a bunch on a Haltech. Ugh. Good vid, great job explaining it.
FA here. I saw this day coming way back. That's why I never did EGR and TGV deletes. I didn't expect Cobb doing what they did, but this day was coming.
The nicest part of the access port for me was flashing back to stock to pass emissions in CA. I fall in to the group that isn’t affected by this though. I only have a TBE with a cat. Thanks for answering our questions
Dude. Im about to get a tune and I live in San Diego. Emissions testing is the only thing I’m worried about 😭 im sure I can talk to my tuner to figure out how to pass right?
@@thaiweatherby1230 my understanding is that California is now checking the ecu to see if it has a tune, any tune. That’s why I like the access port. I can put it back to stock.
HP Tuners has support for WRX and STI EJ engines. This does include a speed density option. There are videos of Tuners using this software a couple years ago. Just another option.
Thanks for the video, I've been doing so much research on how to open source tune and was around the accessport. It be awesome if you could make some content on how to get a ROM file and the process of open source tuning.
Well unfortunately I canceled my ams intake manifold order and am going to get the process west. Then wait for IAG to bring out the new tgv housings and cobb to bring back the flex sensor... and if that doesn't pan out then might have to go full race car on the epa's ass!!! Lol thanks for everything you do in our community my guy you are awesome 👌
Thanks for the break down. When comparing Cobb to apple and the tatrix cable to Windows, the better comparison would be tatrix to Linux. With WIndows you still have limits. WIth Linux, you can literally change everything you want to about the OS and it's open source.
Anyone else remember the TGV delete kits from APS back from like 02-03? They kept the the TGV motors and sensors and just moved them to a bracket to the ECU thinks they are still in the intake but they are actually tucked up under the manifold... guess I need to get busy building some brackets lol
Saw a post from Prime Motoring and their perspective is that Cobb basically did us a solid here, and I kind of agree. It's awful how they blindsided everyone, but if they don't make efforts to comply with the EPA, our hobby and industry would go by the wayside. Very curious to see what Cobb and other companies develop in the coming months and years to prolong our ability to have fun with our cars. Hopefully it's a case of short term hurt for long term gain!
like okay sure, it doesnt matter that they did us a favor, we all knew this was coming, and they didn't do us a favor at all, regardless of whether they did this or not, our community and the aftermarket for cars is going to be a target REGARDLESS of what they did. That being said, there are SO many better ways they could have gone about doing this. They knew they were about to lose a shit ton of a money canceling their most popular and best-selling products, and so they got as many off the shelves legally as they could before canceling them. They straight up stole from people, and they know it. Unless they do like they did in the old days with the V2/V3 APs. People can defend Cobb all they want, their customer service has always been top notch in the past, but this time, they dropped the ball. bad.
You think they did us a favor by suckling up to daddy government who has zero interest in letting us continue progressing our hobby they've arbitrarily decided is illegal? Take a good long look at the position you're taking here....
Fug the EPA. As soon as they ban private jet use I'll be interested in what they think, until then....0 fugs. Everyone knows it's a pay to play deal....let's not act like they care about the environment here
@Billy Purdy suckling up to daddy government? how stupid can you be? You clearly don't understand that fines are a thing. THE COMPANY WOULDN't EXIST with the fines they would have accumulated, plus the ones they have already been hit with, IF THEY DIDNT DO THIS. WE'RE all LUCKY THEY DIDNT JUST PACK UP SHOP AND CALL IT QUITS IN THE FIRST place with all the money they have soaked up. The fact they are spending millions in development for new parts in the platform shows you they are still dedicated to serving the after-market world. In order for them to develop and market those parts, they have to stay in fucking business, or else we don't have a fucking option to buy anything, please use your brain
This is making me scared man, I feel like other ecu devices are going to follow suit soon. I just got my KTuner too, hopefully they don’t go this route
I just plopped the new grimmspeed Overtake bb500 in my VA sti. I have all my emissions stuff intact and it fit wonderfully. Tuning later this week so no idea on numbers yet. If anyone is looking for a good stock location turbo that fits with tgvs, I think this will be the new big thing. My two cents anyways, also great video sir! Thank you!
I'm wondering if the BCP x500(+) is in the same ballpark as far as fitment. I want the Grimmspeed turbo too though. Oh well....the days of enormous 3in+ mouth stock location turbos are behind us
I have the BB500 and its great, made 523whp and 510tq on my setup. I am thankful I already have done my tune and won't be connecting my ap to a computer ever again lol. Problem is I am hearing that even if you have all your emissions stuff as soon as you up the boost it will throw an overboost CEL so I don't know if it will even work.
@@corykoziczkowski6208 I have a slightly built engine, Manley forged pistons. Brian crower rods, and king bearings. I actually have a Grimmspeed topmount, and believe I have every bolt on possible lol. I have Killerb headers. I am running flex with Id1300s, and a radium hanger with a walbro 450.
I have been stacking parts for a few months I'm about 6K deep into my parts pile. In that parts pile is a entire fuel system "TGV deletes for a top feed rail" for some 1050 injectors and a cobb flex fuel kit with the fuel pressure sensor that i bought the week before they discontinued it with no knowledge that was ever happening. I felt lucky the week after that I was able to get them before they were gone, not knowing that they were going to make them useless. and of course they waited just long enough between them discontinuing them with telling nobody what was going on and any kind of return window. Timing was just right on their part to screw over anyone just like me that just invested into all these fuel system mods. I understand that Cobb has pressure from the epa and i can see how it may be necessary to discontinue selling certain parts to please the EPA, However I can not understand how they thought it was ok to screw over their customers the way they did, for example they could of discontinued selling parts and left the tune ability for parts they have sold and moved forward with new parts being cold carb compliant, every body could understand that. I have been a long time Cobb customer on several builds of my own and have recommended them for years to others. I have many cobb parts on my car like the titanium catback. Regardless of what cobb does from this point forward I will never run anything cobb again. and I will be removing all cobb parts from my car.
Open source tuning can be an alternative for many, but problem is- if tuners are getting the same pressure and heat from the EPA that Cobb and the rest of the industry is getting, will many tuners actually be willing to offer open source tuning? I called a shop local to me today and they stated they would not be open source tuning, just sticking with Cobb.
ECUTEK is apparently doing a region lock where the USA should be locked out but Canada and England won't be locked out. I asked a tuning shop I was planning on using for my build and that's what I got told by them. So if you guys want to get tuned start making the trek up to Canada more specifically to Ontario where they scrapped emissions for passenger vehicles and are only going after commercial vehicles.
It really did bro, thank god VersaTune is still a thing. Gonna be switching to that for the future, CST4 catless, but I still want to upgrade intake manifold and EGR delete. Had problems with carbon buildup in the past and I don't want that to happen anymore.
Welp, I guess I got my flex fuel tune done on my AP before it was too late…but this news is still pretty upsetting for those who planned on going the same route. The rugs been ripped from right under us without warning☹️ The only upside I can really see to all of this for us Cali folks is that once everything is finally CARB legal, we won’t have any state ref BS to deal with if we stick with all the Cobb CARB certified parts. No more going back to stock for smog purposes either. Yes the waiting game sucks, but it might be worth it in the long run. Open source and stand alone is going to be the way to go in the mean time for some flex fuel action
Or.....LOBBY YOUR SHITTY STATE....they work for YOU! Not the other way around....if we want it a certain way we CAN make it that way. People need to stop giving up and giving in....fight back from this nonsense. And for you treehuggers....let's be real, do you even have ANY idea how much the cars we are talking about can possibly even pollute, compared to say, a private jet usage in a year? You should look because most of the pollution in the world isn't coming from cars that are tuned/ran in America....lots of other targets here that are and have been far worse for decades....and where's all this electricity going to come from to charge all these electric vehicles? Tell ya right now, most won't be wind/solar....
its all because of the EPA.... the one thats run by liberal democratic nutjob hacks. you think they actually care about the environment?!? wrong they use it as a front to back door funds to donor shell companies for personal gain. Remember when trump essentially eliminated the EPA almost entirely? take a wild fcking guess what biden did... of course he brings it back! now you get to have alll the fun in the world =]
Probably one of the only VW owners that frequents your channel. The typical mods for MQB VWs doesn't require removing any emissions devices actually...if you can "make" a high flow cat work....you can make basically any setup imaginable work. With that said, I think I'm going to pull the trigger fairly soon on a few variations of tunes before they get canned for some EPA related nonsense. Really crazy these are the times were living in honestly.
Appreciate the video though man. I was considering Cobb for the VW, and as you've said....seemingly would have no issues making it work, but I've been thinking about going a different route entirely and this may have sealed the deal. Prob just going to stick with pump 93 as well. 370/415 to the wheels for a DD should be enough haha.
This is something that the Tree Huggers, EPA and the Gov have been wanting to do for years now. They really don’t like the car community at all. With EV’s being pushed harder every week, it looks like the car enthusiast hobby could be badly hamstrung going forward. It really sucks. Yes we still have work arounds for tuning, but for how long? Good video.
I just remember all of the SEMA Action Network mailers I would get with updates from all of the states that were trying to restrict what car guys could do to there cars, a lot of it was from California. The Fed level didn’t move as fast, but the OBD rules did help with better tuning and technology, so it wasn’t all bad but the older guys at the time knew the gov wouldn’t stop as the ever moving EPA Fuel Milage rules placed on car manufacturers is starting to hurt the performance car market. Sooner or later performance cars will all be limited runs and sold at a much higher price. Imagine paying a premium price for a Ford Fiesta or Subaru BRZ.
There are a few of the big automotive makers looking into alternate fuels that have the same carbon foot print as the process of making and driving an EV has. I know for a fact Dodge is doing hydrogen, and one of the EU companies is doing some kind of fancy gasoline (i want to say it was Porsche but i could be wrong).
Damn, my catless, TGV deleted, secondary air pump deleted, speed density STI needs a new turbo. Guess my car is a paper weight to now. Thanks COBB. We need companies like this to fight the EPA, Cobb you are a bunch of spineless cowards.
How is COBB going to fight the federal government. What you mean is, you'd like COBB to go out of business. COBB is a small company in the grand scheme, they comply or die... End of story...many other tuning companies already have
Did you not watch the video? Guy literally just spent 15 minutes explaining how you’re not fucked. Tuning Subaru’s was not invented by Cobb. It has existed far before them and will continue to exist long after they’re gone.
Go fight the government. You will learn real quick it's poking the dragon and hoping it doesn't eat you. The real problem is the insane "global warming/cooling/climate change agenda." That is where all this started. Ignorant people making policies that effect everyone.
Just Crack an older version of the software. Tune it yourself. Learn. Companies won't fight the epa....maybe in a very limited fashion is all. They're in business to make money, not change laws. That's our job to lobby our state and federal to tell them hell with this...MOST PEOPLE DONT WANT IT!
Thank you for giving such a informative answer to this issue with Cobb and the other ways we can get around are different tuning needs. Keep up the great work with your channel.
Gotta give you a HUGE thanks for this video, Good information too us UK guy's. We been tuning 100 years plus without fance Pre play devices Tanna, you should talk with some UK car owners and tuners. Great video and respect too you. 🇬🇧💯📹✊✊
Man! I was getting ready to take the online class since my car has no air pump cuz I’m getting tired of the Christmas tree I got on my dash. 🤦🏽♂️ now I’m gonna have to use that money to buy the whole system and put the in labor 😅 not looking forward to do this install!
@@Smeedia whole new rabbit to learn now 😅 and I’m new to the Subie gang lol I guess better cuz the cup is empty ready to hold some knowledge. Thanks for the upload brother! 🔥🔥🔥
Sounds familiar to what the EPA did to the Diesel tuning market about three or so years ago. Just have to learn to adapt, and realize that the future is hybrid / electric... whether we like it or not 😠
So why does Cobb have to make these changes for consumers outside of the USA? I'm Canadian and can't go speed density with my accessport because California has too much smog? Whack.
Great video, tons of useful information. I’m the guy who was bothering you about matts srt4 in previous videos. I wanted you to know I’m proudly rocking the sh*t box jet tag on my srt4 keys now 😂
Very informative for someone new to this platform🔥Do you think if i stop updating my accesstuner software and keep it on the same version from now on if it will avoid me from making a switch ?
We have been dealing with this in the diesel world for a few years now. Dont rely on open source tuning. Epa goes for the name brands first then will crack down on local shops.
Cobb needs to be out of our lexicon after this. We all need to move to alternatives that aren't owned by the same parent company. Cobb, you can't sell stuff you know people can't use. And you can't undo sales that were made years ago by forcefully changing people's shit.
In theory someone could just use a older version of the AP manager, tuner studio, and the AP firmware. It's hard to retroactively add features like forced updates unless they already exist.
Awesome video. Well spoken and concise. I’m over here in CA sitting on a FF Kit and Garrett TMIC. I do have egr/tgv deletes so I’m def needing a new tuning option.
My secondary air pump has been dead since the car hit 60k 😂🤣. I hit 155k and not looking back. Open source is back on the table. I have been thinking I can put the pump, pipes and valves with an orifice that makes it thinks is working🤔. Same with the tgv, cut the housing and leave the last bit dangling on the back of the block 🤔. They will move and have feedback. Back to the piggy back ECM days of turboxs computers.
I made my own secondary air pump delete kit and I had to dissect the sensor out from it and keep it plugged in and I didn't get a CEL. There are ways to do it!
This was much needed to calm the wind on this situation. I know a lot of things are in limbo and it's good to know there are more option out there for the ones in the middle of a build. Or who are waiting to put purchases from over winter on like myself. The more realistic option might be open source. Would love to see a more detailed video on what all you need and how to go about it with an e-tune.
"All this affects is your ability to delete O2, EGT, TGV, EGR, catalytic converters, secondary air pumps, and you cant run flex fuel" So pretty much everything someone would want to get into light mods to get an extra 150whp on their slowbaru. "You can still make 500hp on an accessport" like someone aiming for 500hp isn't putting down the money for a standalone ecu. Cobb did their customer base dirty with this and showed how weak they are. Instead of fighting like all of the small tuners and helping the cause, they just said "Govern us more Daddy!" And they didn't even leave an option to not update the software, like they could have just done that and no one would have been mad, but no, they deleted half of their functionality. I'm glad I got out of the Subaru game when I did cuz their new cars are trash and the aftermarket support just went to shit. Forced update/planned obsolete garbage. I don't get how y'all aren't heated. I don't even have a Subaru or an accessport anymore and I'm fuming. I'm wishing you all luck in finding another reasonable tuning solution.
@@Dr.Ticklebum69 fuck no you will find me dead before i buy a fcking ev fck the goverment and fck them trying to force it upon everyone. it will soon be a complete failure there is no fcking way in hell the support system to run widespread ev will be in place anytime soon. there is literally so much fcking work that has to be done. its just another liberal green weenie fcking pipe dream that will explode in their face
@@Dr.Ticklebum69 there’s literally no way man. There’s nothing fun about an EV to me. The closest I’ll ever get to one is a hybrid like the NSX other than that nah
"Cobb = Apple, Open source equals Linux/Android" could have been a better analogy. Cobb also hired all the top developers working on open source. Solid video though. Everyone needs to calm down. Link is also REALLY close to a PnP on the 08+ cars.
Thank you for reminding me there will always be people tuning Subaru after Cobb. About to finally rebuild my 04 STi and had some serious concerns about my performance options
Talked to a turner can’t put in bigger turbos because it would exceed engine limits min/max which trips CEL for over boosting which is a feature they can’t delete. Just another thing that was a vague thing.
@@Smeedia I didnt really ask the details but he basically said you’d be wasting money on a bigger turbo since you wouldn’t be able to boost past the ecus max threshold. So imma assume you could control the boost to stay below but would the couple thousand be worth the cost to stay below the ecus max boost limit? That’s what I took out of it.
Thank you man u really are Goat Clutch, i was just worried since all i want to do is nice exhaust, intercooler basic stuff thank you appreciate you my guy
Bloomslang offers the plug and play for 15+ sti for Haltech elite 2500 that is what was on my car before I made custom race harness Also for aem infinity
Im totally new to modding cars bought a 2010 sti off some kid who was running it to the ground and i am in the process of brining it back to factory spec mostly maintenance stuff before atrempting to modify it and ive heard that cobb was the go to one stop shop but ive also seen the laptop thing before so i will probably skip cobb and go straight to learning opensource tunning i am a computer nerd so the open laptop was always appealing to me lmao 😂 but sucks about what cobb did with the flex fuel kit i was thinking of dropping a few grand and bulk buy their kit huge bullet dodged 😅😅😅 Edit: i really appreciate the comprihensive explination you gave on the whole cobb thing i think it will help put some worries to bed along with clearing up some miss information. 🙏🏼
I love how the EPA loves to target a very small portion of car drivers but doesn't give a shit about the massive pollution waste of corporations. This year I just finished my build with no cats and a tgv delete and spent 600 bucks on an accessport to get it tuned.
All the EPA wants is $$$ they don't give af about anything else
finally someone that knows what is actually going on! the environmental green weenie liberal hack psychos are using the environment as a front to back door funds to shell company donors and personal gain. they are liars and frauds and have been caught misappropriating funds at a disgusting level and they willl not stop. we have to vote these sick twisted fcking people the fck out of here
@ivebeen EXACTLY!!!!! wake the fck up people
remember when trump essentially disbanded the epa..... then biden brings it back, thank you for getting biden in office real smart choice of you all that did
@@Mr.Thermistor7228 If the epa hadn't been disbanded, they wouldn't be coming back with a vengeance like they are...
Good of you to put together such a comprehensive list of what this change really means, thanks man! 👊✌️
Trying to help where I can 🔥🙏
you really be helping the subaru tuning community big time! thanks my guy💪🏼🔥
Trying to help everyone how I can 🙏
@@Smeedia much more so than these major companies who are just screwing us consumers over.
Thank you for taking the time to break things down to pre k level for us non experts.
Hopefully this helps 🥳
I like how he talks about it in a way everyone can understand without making us non experts feel like idiots
I inquired with my tuner about this after watching your video last night. Luckily he has a 14 day grace period and I'm now scrambling to get that e85 sensor in hand, installed and the car tuned before the deadline. LOL.
Thanks for keeping us updated on this my friend.
Keep me posted hopefully everything goes smoothly! 🙏🤞
@@Smeedia will do. I've already upgraded the fuel system. Had the car tuned a couple weeks ago. Installing the sensor shouldn't be horrible. It's really just a matter of the shipping company getting me the part. I'm in AZ by the way so if you have any followers here that need a tuner with that grace period, there is a guy here that did a phenomenal job for me. Also, thanks for your advice on that banjo bolt. "Good n tight" did the trick 🤣
I have a brand new one in box if interested
@@tomsullivan7112 I appreciate that brother. I've got one in route already though. I'm just hoping it gets here in time.
@@bigmikeswizzle If you have any issues I could mail it off right away. Hope it works out for you
I did etunes with a tactrix and rom raider with my old wrx. It’s pretty simple. It’s also easy to go in and turn off the emissions related cel codes on your own. 😉
It’s also non supported software with a limit on the features
Most tuners I talked to in my area dropped COBB completely, since they just lost a big portion of there money. They should of gave a 90 day grace period for tuners.
Open source tuning is awesome actually. Thats how we tuned my lgt and it runs greats.
Lots of great info. Thank you. I think cobb has effectively lost a huge amount of consumers with the moves they have made. I personally won't support cobb going forward.
I don't use them now and for what I do to cars I can't use them again. Onto bigger and better options
@@Smeedia You don't use an AP anymore? How else do you manage your statistics?
@@ranran2218 He uses a standalone as per this video, but I'm just curious how he monitors his FK, FKL, etc
@@jonathonmcrae5671 you can buy an obd2 sender that sends it via bluetooth to your phone with an app. I might have to go this route when I finish gathering the parts for my next tune. I'll be going open source, so will be getting one of them to go with it
cobb isnt to blame... blame the EPA and the liberal democrats that fraudulently run that scam organization. but no keep voting for the dems they sure are improving everyones life =]
excellent video, only thing I'd add is the adapting harnesses are pretty easy to make. Just need like 100 bucks in pinning tools, wire, and the ecu connectors.
Open source, and tactrix has always been the most cost effective tuning option, I've been steering people away from the accessport since 2009.
That is true in regards Subaru's were tuned way before cobb via other sources, I remember I started from open source tuning and it worked fine as well.
Open source is making a come back
@@Smeedia absolutely history repeats itself 😀
You didn't hear about Subies blowing up as much either.
@@jonathanb1987 Thats mostly because of the OTS tunes, people started putting them on cars and not getting tuned on the dyno. They would have wrong parts and still think its ok...then Rodney comes knocking.
@@Turbolious exactly!
Open source tuning for the win. There is always a work around. If you want it bad enough, you will find a way.
If there is a will, there is a way
Or just crack older access tuner builds that don't lock you out....unless you have a newer vehicle with limited features from Cobb already, there's nothing they'll add you can't add in yourself with a little knowledge or a friend who can. Lobby your states to stop emissions testing. The EPA might have some credibility when they ban private jet use or other large polluters...bit they pay to play, so it's ok for the govt bureaucracy
Huge props to you for being so quick with this. With all the panic and misinformation going on right now this really helps!
Trying to help clear the air a bit
Another thing to think about is a wideband. You now can’t use the rear O2 signal to power the wideband sensor.
Yuuuuup, no emmisions modifying at all, for big power cars Accesstuner is no longer an option
Can't u just weld a new bung in, and run your own power lead to it?... pretty much going back to the late 90's, early 2000's when you had to add a whole sweat of sensors and hardware to a piggyback ecu...
@@blaqkhavok4863 True. But then you lose to ability to monitor your wideband through the ecu. Cobb no longer allows you to have the ability to manipulate the rear 02 voltage points.
What I worry about is now that the government/EPA has successfully accomplished this. Where and when will they stop. I’m afraid of the slippery slope that this could go down. I could rant about private jets, ships, power demands for EV charging etc etc. Im going to stop at just leave it alone don’t check us if your not going to check yourselves first.
The damn EPA will smash us all anyway eventually. I just started tuning my 21 wrx. Probably gonna start buying parts and stock them in storage lol. You give the government a mile, they’ll take a 1000.
The thing is, modifying cars has been federally illegal for quite some time, it just wasn't strongly enforced. With that perspective, if the EPA is involved, they are throwing COBB and other tuning/aftermarket companies a bone by simply saying do what you want as long as you don't modify emission control software.
Imo They won’t stop until they get every single person to EVs
Snowball is rolling. That's why I decided to stop making excuses and pull the trigger on my dream car. Cuz in a few years Im about to daily a tesla and the sti will be the gem in the garage. TImes are changing sadly
@@MrMcbear I’m just modding my power run down bugeye. I’m just a poor boy with a dream and it’s taking years to complete. Now it’s going to take learning money and more time. Haltech it is now just to decide if i wanna go platinum pro or elite. Thankfully there is plug and play for my car.
Was torn between Cobb and open-source. Now it's confirmed open-source. Yay me!
i would've given open source tuning a Linux example instead of Microsoft..plus, thank you for this video, quick after the news, simple, well explained. just great overall. We appreciate you sir!
Lol just the first thing that came to mind 😅🙏
We got the point but Linux would’ve made more sense lol
I was thinking the same thing open source would be linux and hello other tech/car nerds
@@ItsJogus when you're a nerd.. but also a car guy 😏 and gun guy... Lol
I'd prefer using the Apple vs Android analogy. Cobb like iOS, is pretty user-friendly but limited.
/Tuned using a modified $10 VAGCOM cable!
This is why I went catless on my G37 with ECUTEK this past year. I knew this day would come for Cobb, and I know others will follow suit shortly 😔.
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Ecutek anounced they're a year away from having to do the same thing
@@daviddin8863 Oh shit so we have a year!!
@@daviddin8863 where did you read this announcement?
@@rawrbrz in for more details... If im just getting burnt again in a year it's time to consider motek or something manufactured outside of the "United socialist states of America"
Brandon's AFT after muh gumz, now his EPA is after my cornfed Scooby... The right of the people to hoon and shred tires shall not be infringed.
I just got an email from cobb this morning. They are issuing refunds within a 12 month period of purchase.
"Hey Cameron,
Thank you for contacting COBB Tuning! My name is Kyle and I'll be happy to assist you.
We are honoring returns of the flex fuel kits as long as they were purchased from a dealer within the last 12 months. If you have a purchase receipt please send it over and I'll be happy to start an RMA.
Thanks!"
From someone who just got a tuned wrx and was blindsided by this. Thank you!
from what I've heard from tuners, atleast for the mazdaspeed platform is that tunes are in no way affected, we'll just have a CEL if we delete emission stuff or get catless downpipes. Also that they might be forced to comply to the emissions stuff as well meaning no matter what tuning software they are using, theyre gonna have to comply to not delete emissions sensors and readiness criteria
So if we are running a catless DP we can’t clear the code at all?
I don’t wanna say that the entire flex fuel kit from cobb or any other manufacturer is useless at the moment. It still has fuel lines, it still has a mount, it still has a GM ethanol sensor. Can actually get a standalone gauge to monitor your ethanol content, plug it into the ethanol sensor and use that to tune for your duel map, and to be sure that it is indeed the correct mixture of fuel before switching your maps. Just my two cents on the matter.
As for cobb issuing a refund I highly doubt that they will do that but I think when they develop the new wiring harness they should honor either a trade back of the old wiring harness or something along those lines
IMO your better off returning it and piecing together a kit for less than half the price. (But that also depends on if people have them in box still or installed)
Surprisingly enough they have been refunding people if the sensor was purchased in the last 12 months 🔥
I wonder if they will do a “jailbreak” for the Cobb software or access port
Time will tell 👀
Well then just like Apple your precious accessport warranty will be voided lol
@@DJ_Driven We're tuning cars lol we don't care about warranty
@@BigSalami joke lol
@@DJ_Driven jail breaking doesn’t void the warranty anymore
2:48 is a question I was super interested in hearing about … for a friend. Thanks for the info!
You basically ran down the list of everything I had done when I had mine built. So I am pretty well stuck at where I am unless I want to have all my go fast bits removed. Just got to hope they can make flex carb compliant. Or try to go open source. Or spend a bunch on a Haltech. Ugh. Good vid, great job explaining it.
FA here. I saw this day coming way back. That's why I never did EGR and TGV deletes. I didn't expect Cobb doing what they did, but this day was coming.
Was coming at some point 🙃
The nicest part of the access port for me was flashing back to stock to pass emissions in CA. I fall in to the group that isn’t affected by this though. I only have a TBE with a cat. Thanks for answering our questions
Dude. Im about to get a tune and I live in San Diego. Emissions testing is the only thing I’m worried about 😭 im sure I can talk to my tuner to figure out how to pass right?
@@thaiweatherby1230 my understanding is that California is now checking the ecu to see if it has a tune, any tune. That’s why I like the access port. I can put it back to stock.
Thanks for the info. I just bought a 2020 wrx a year ago and I almost bought a Cobb tuner the other day. Good thing u waited!!
Thanks Tanner for keeping us informed, calm and ready to move forward!
HP Tuners has support for WRX and STI EJ engines. This does include a speed density option. There are videos of Tuners using this software a couple years ago. Just another option.
Thanks for the video, I've been doing so much research on how to open source tune and was around the accessport. It be awesome if you could make some content on how to get a ROM file and the process of open source tuning.
Going to try and make this happen when we tune our LGT
Well unfortunately I canceled my ams intake manifold order and am going to get the process west. Then wait for IAG to bring out the new tgv housings and cobb to bring back the flex sensor... and if that doesn't pan out then might have to go full race car on the epa's ass!!! Lol thanks for everything you do in our community my guy you are awesome 👌
Sigh, we have an AMS here we can't use now 😅
THANK YOU for the informative, easy to understand explination of this situation. Not all hero's wear capes. Happy Lab Week
Thanks dog!! Let the '13 build continue!!!
Appreciate you coming out asap and providing a well put together video. This is why I love you 😘
Trying to help where I can 🙏🙏🙏
Thanks for the break down. When comparing Cobb to apple and the tatrix cable to Windows, the better comparison would be tatrix to Linux. With WIndows you still have limits. WIth Linux, you can literally change everything you want to about the OS and it's open source.
In the middle of my build and I have been waiting for this thank you!!🔥🔥
Hopefully this helps 🙏🙏🙏
Anyone else remember the TGV delete kits from APS back from like 02-03? They kept the the TGV motors and sensors and just moved them to a bracket to the ECU thinks they are still in the intake but they are actually tucked up under the manifold... guess I need to get busy building some brackets lol
Saw a post from Prime Motoring and their perspective is that Cobb basically did us a solid here, and I kind of agree. It's awful how they blindsided everyone, but if they don't make efforts to comply with the EPA, our hobby and industry would go by the wayside. Very curious to see what Cobb and other companies develop in the coming months and years to prolong our ability to have fun with our cars. Hopefully it's a case of short term hurt for long term gain!
Prime is a your last resort they are scammers and should get shut down.
like okay sure, it doesnt matter that they did us a favor, we all knew this was coming, and they didn't do us a favor at all, regardless of whether they did this or not, our community and the aftermarket for cars is going to be a target REGARDLESS of what they did. That being said, there are SO many better ways they could have gone about doing this. They knew they were about to lose a shit ton of a money canceling their most popular and best-selling products, and so they got as many off the shelves legally as they could before canceling them. They straight up stole from people, and they know it. Unless they do like they did in the old days with the V2/V3 APs. People can defend Cobb all they want, their customer service has always been top notch in the past, but this time, they dropped the ball. bad.
You think they did us a favor by suckling up to daddy government who has zero interest in letting us continue progressing our hobby they've arbitrarily decided is illegal? Take a good long look at the position you're taking here....
Fug the EPA. As soon as they ban private jet use I'll be interested in what they think, until then....0 fugs. Everyone knows it's a pay to play deal....let's not act like they care about the environment here
@Billy Purdy suckling up to daddy government? how stupid can you be? You clearly don't understand that fines are a thing. THE COMPANY WOULDN't EXIST with the fines they would have accumulated, plus the ones they have already been hit with, IF THEY DIDNT DO THIS. WE'RE all LUCKY THEY DIDNT JUST PACK UP SHOP AND CALL IT QUITS IN THE FIRST place with all the money they have soaked up. The fact they are spending millions in development for new parts in the platform shows you they are still dedicated to serving the after-market world. In order for them to develop and market those parts, they have to stay in fucking business, or else we don't have a fucking option to buy anything, please use your brain
Man glad I got my tune already. No tgvs, no cat, and a bigger turbo so I doubt I could fit the tgv back in. Thanks for the info!
This is making me scared man, I feel like other ecu devices are going to follow suit soon. I just got my KTuner too, hopefully they don’t go this route
Hopefully they don't 😖
They already have. Look at sct. Look at the ngauge. Yes there are others as well.
Thanks much for peeling the layers back. Time to move to open source
I just plopped the new grimmspeed Overtake bb500 in my VA sti. I have all my emissions stuff intact and it fit wonderfully. Tuning later this week so no idea on numbers yet. If anyone is looking for a good stock location turbo that fits with tgvs, I think this will be the new big thing. My two cents anyways, also great video sir! Thank you!
I'm wondering if the BCP x500(+) is in the same ballpark as far as fitment.
I want the Grimmspeed turbo too though. Oh well....the days of enormous 3in+ mouth stock location turbos are behind us
I have the BB500 and its great, made 523whp and 510tq on my setup. I am thankful I already have done my tune and won't be connecting my ap to a computer ever again lol. Problem is I am hearing that even if you have all your emissions stuff as soon as you up the boost it will throw an overboost CEL so I don't know if it will even work.
@@subiewrx4668 those are great numbers. This update is a buzz kill for real. The boost isn't a delete feature I did read also.
@@subiewrx4668 would you mind sharing your build info? Factory or built block? Front mount? I got a bit lower than expected today but I'm still happy.
@@corykoziczkowski6208 I have a slightly built engine, Manley forged pistons. Brian crower rods, and king bearings. I actually have a Grimmspeed topmount, and believe I have every bolt on possible lol. I have Killerb headers. I am running flex with Id1300s, and a radium hanger with a walbro 450.
I have been stacking parts for a few months I'm about 6K deep into my parts pile. In that parts pile is a entire fuel system "TGV deletes for a top feed rail" for some 1050 injectors and a cobb flex fuel kit with the fuel pressure sensor that i bought the week before they discontinued it with no knowledge that was ever happening. I felt lucky the week after that I was able to get them before they were gone, not knowing that they were going to make them useless. and of course they waited just long enough between them discontinuing them with telling nobody what was going on and any kind of return window. Timing was just right on their part to screw over anyone just like me that just invested into all these fuel system mods. I understand that Cobb has pressure from the epa and i can see how it may be necessary to discontinue selling certain parts to please the EPA, However I can not understand how they thought it was ok to screw over their customers the way they did, for example they could of discontinued selling parts and left the tune ability for parts they have sold and moved forward with new parts being cold carb compliant, every body could understand that. I have been a long time Cobb customer on several builds of my own and have recommended them for years to others. I have many cobb parts on my car like the titanium catback. Regardless of what cobb does from this point forward I will never run anything cobb again. and I will be removing all cobb parts from my car.
Open source tuning can be an alternative for many, but problem is- if tuners are getting the same pressure and heat from the EPA that Cobb and the rest of the industry is getting, will many tuners actually be willing to offer open source tuning? I called a shop local to me today and they stated they would not be open source tuning, just sticking with Cobb.
Because open source support is awful
ECUTEK is apparently doing a region lock where the USA should be locked out but Canada and England won't be locked out. I asked a tuning shop I was planning on using for my build and that's what I got told by them.
So if you guys want to get tuned start making the trek up to Canada more specifically to Ontario where they scrapped emissions for passenger vehicles and are only going after commercial vehicles.
The MazdaSpeed community started going insane, until everyone realized it doesn’t really affect us. Subaru owners and GTR owners got hit the worst. 🤧
It really did bro, thank god VersaTune is still a thing. Gonna be switching to that for the future, CST4 catless, but I still want to upgrade intake manifold and EGR delete. Had problems with carbon buildup in the past and I don't want that to happen anymore.
Speed6 guy with a catless tune in progress.. it does kind of affect us :/
Bro thanks for consolidating all the information for us common plebs. Really appreciate it!
Welp, I guess I got my flex fuel tune done on my AP before it was too late…but this news is still pretty upsetting for those who planned on going the same route. The rugs been ripped from right under us without warning☹️
The only upside I can really see to all of this for us Cali folks is that once everything is finally CARB legal, we won’t have any state ref BS to deal with if we stick with all the Cobb CARB certified parts. No more going back to stock for smog purposes either. Yes the waiting game sucks, but it might be worth it in the long run. Open source and stand alone is going to be the way to go in the mean time for some flex fuel action
Have a feeling Cobb will continue to price hike their parts once they're all certified though 🙃
Yea but there is 49 other states, I don't know why cali has to ruin the fun for everyone 😭
@@masonboone7910 as per standard, california is a dogshit state, they do nothing for no one, and they ruin everything for everyone
Or.....LOBBY YOUR SHITTY STATE....they work for YOU! Not the other way around....if we want it a certain way we CAN make it that way. People need to stop giving up and giving in....fight back from this nonsense. And for you treehuggers....let's be real, do you even have ANY idea how much the cars we are talking about can possibly even pollute, compared to say, a private jet usage in a year? You should look because most of the pollution in the world isn't coming from cars that are tuned/ran in America....lots of other targets here that are and have been far worse for decades....and where's all this electricity going to come from to charge all these electric vehicles? Tell ya right now, most won't be wind/solar....
Super Informative video! This should clear up all of the confusion for a lot of people. Thank you for this!
Good info. I’ve been trying to find the reasons why cobb did what they did and you explained a lot of unanswered questions I had
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its all because of the EPA.... the one thats run by liberal democratic nutjob hacks. you think they actually care about the environment?!? wrong they use it as a front to back door funds to donor shell companies for personal gain. Remember when trump essentially eliminated the EPA almost entirely? take a wild fcking guess what biden did... of course he brings it back! now you get to have alll the fun in the world =]
Could also add that you can still monitor everything you can thru an AP with an obd2 sender and a monitor app on your phone
Also very true, I'll have to look into some options out there
The biggest issue I've seen is there doesn't seem to be any open source things happening on the longest running generation.
The VA...
Give it a few months and it'll start to happen. Now there's a demand for it
Probably one of the only VW owners that frequents your channel. The typical mods for MQB VWs doesn't require removing any emissions devices actually...if you can "make" a high flow cat work....you can make basically any setup imaginable work. With that said, I think I'm going to pull the trigger fairly soon on a few variations of tunes before they get canned for some EPA related nonsense. Really crazy these are the times were living in honestly.
Appreciate the video though man. I was considering Cobb for the VW, and as you've said....seemingly would have no issues making it work, but I've been thinking about going a different route entirely and this may have sealed the deal. Prob just going to stick with pump 93 as well. 370/415 to the wheels for a DD should be enough haha.
Thanks for all the information it really helps and answer some of our questions 🙏
Trying to help out where I can 🙏
@@Smeedia we gladly appreciate what you do specially since I'm new to the subi world 🙂
Appreciate the information!! Clears up the fud. Take care brother 👍🏼
This is something that the Tree Huggers, EPA and the Gov have been wanting to do for years now. They really don’t like the car community at all. With EV’s being pushed harder every week, it looks like the car enthusiast hobby could be badly hamstrung going forward. It really sucks. Yes we still have work arounds for tuning, but for how long? Good video.
I have a meme i wish I could post 😅
I just remember all of the SEMA Action Network mailers I would get with updates from all of the states that were trying to restrict what car guys could do to there cars, a lot of it was from California. The Fed level didn’t move as fast, but the OBD rules did help with better tuning and technology, so it wasn’t all bad but the older guys at the time knew the gov wouldn’t stop as the ever moving EPA Fuel Milage rules placed on car manufacturers is starting to hurt the performance car market. Sooner or later performance cars will all be limited runs and sold at a much higher price. Imagine paying a premium price for a Ford Fiesta or Subaru BRZ.
There are a few of the big automotive makers looking into alternate fuels that have the same carbon foot print as the process of making and driving an EV has. I know for a fact Dodge is doing hydrogen, and one of the EU companies is doing some kind of fancy gasoline (i want to say it was Porsche but i could be wrong).
@@MrSherlockDomes toyota is huge into hydrogen you can buy a hydrogen fuel cell car right now and its been around for years now
you got this out extremely fast
you're the 🐐
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Damn, my catless, TGV deleted, secondary air pump deleted, speed density STI needs a new turbo. Guess my car is a paper weight to now. Thanks COBB. We need companies like this to fight the EPA, Cobb you are a bunch of spineless cowards.
How is COBB going to fight the federal government. What you mean is, you'd like COBB to go out of business. COBB is a small company in the grand scheme, they comply or die... End of story...many other tuning companies already have
Did you not watch the video? Guy literally just spent 15 minutes explaining how you’re not fucked. Tuning Subaru’s was not invented by Cobb. It has existed far before them and will continue to exist long after they’re gone.
Go fight the government. You will learn real quick it's poking the dragon and hoping it doesn't eat you. The real problem is the insane "global warming/cooling/climate change agenda." That is where all this started. Ignorant people making policies that effect everyone.
Just Crack an older version of the software. Tune it yourself. Learn. Companies won't fight the epa....maybe in a very limited fashion is all. They're in business to make money, not change laws. That's our job to lobby our state and federal to tell them hell with this...MOST PEOPLE DONT WANT IT!
Why not just get the same turbo again? No retune required
Thank you for giving such a informative answer to this issue with Cobb and the other ways we can get around are different tuning needs. Keep up the great work with your channel.
Thanks for the videos man! Keep it up man
Trying to help out where I can 🙏
Gotta give you a HUGE thanks for this video, Good information too us UK guy's. We been tuning 100 years plus without fance Pre play devices Tanna, you should talk with some UK car owners and tuners. Great video and respect too you. 🇬🇧💯📹✊✊
Man! I was getting ready to take the online class since my car has no air pump cuz I’m getting tired of the Christmas tree I got on my dash. 🤦🏽♂️ now I’m gonna have to use that money to buy the whole system and put the in labor 😅 not looking forward to do this install!
Definitely look for PnP kits if your looking at standalone 😅
@@Smeedia whole new rabbit to learn now 😅 and I’m new to the Subie gang lol
I guess better cuz the cup is empty ready to hold some knowledge.
Thanks for the upload brother! 🔥🔥🔥
Sounds familiar to what the EPA did to the Diesel tuning market about three or so years ago. Just have to learn to adapt, and realize that the future is hybrid / electric... whether we like it or not 😠
We will find a way!
So why does Cobb have to make these changes for consumers outside of the USA? I'm Canadian and can't go speed density with my accessport because California has too much smog? Whack.
Blanket update, as they quoted "to level the playing feild" they don't want us customers getting tunes from people outside the states
Its an American business and the software is developed in America. So the EPA has full control.
Great video, tons of useful information. I’m the guy who was bothering you about matts srt4 in previous videos. I wanted you to know I’m proudly rocking the sh*t box jet tag on my srt4 keys now 😂
Yesssss!!! Ima keep hastling Matt to get the SRT4 running 😅
Very informative for someone new to this platform🔥Do you think if i stop updating my accesstuner software and keep it on the same version from now on if it will avoid me from making a switch ?
It's on the tuners end unfortunately when it comes down to making the tunes 😭
@@Smeedia 🤦♂️😡🤮
Learn access tuner yourself....there are options to get different versions out there....Lil thing called p2p
We will do what we do and will always do what we do!!
You can thank your overreaching government for this.
Great job breaking this down though. Appreciate the info
yup!! trump literally almost threw away the EPA, biden of course brought it back... yall still happy with your decision?
We have been dealing with this in the diesel world for a few years now. Dont rely on open source tuning. Epa goes for the name brands first then will crack down on local shops.
Cobb needs to be out of our lexicon after this. We all need to move to alternatives that aren't owned by the same parent company.
Cobb, you can't sell stuff you know people can't use. And you can't undo sales that were made years ago by forcefully changing people's shit.
This, hopefully a company comes out that can compete well
In theory someone could just use a older version of the AP manager, tuner studio, and the AP firmware. It's hard to retroactively add features like forced updates unless they already exist.
Awesome video. Well spoken and concise. I’m over here in CA sitting on a FF Kit and Garrett TMIC. I do have egr/tgv deletes so I’m def needing a new tuning option.
Heard Eric iver at torqued performance is doing open source tunes now
My secondary air pump has been dead since the car hit 60k 😂🤣. I hit 155k and not looking back. Open source is back on the table. I have been thinking I can put the pump, pipes and valves with an orifice that makes it thinks is working🤔. Same with the tgv, cut the housing and leave the last bit dangling on the back of the block 🤔. They will move and have feedback. Back to the piggy back ECM days of turboxs computers.
That's an idea we were playing with last night 😅
I made my own secondary air pump delete kit and I had to dissect the sensor out from it and keep it plugged in and I didn't get a CEL. There are ways to do it!
Just plug the tgv motors into the harness....if they can rotate just the valve motor spindle shouldn't throw codes....least on older ones
This was much needed to calm the wind on this situation. I know a lot of things are in limbo and it's good to know there are more option out there for the ones in the middle of a build. Or who are waiting to put purchases from over winter on like myself. The more realistic option might be open source. Would love to see a more detailed video on what all you need and how to go about it with an e-tune.
"All this affects is your ability to delete O2, EGT, TGV, EGR, catalytic converters, secondary air pumps, and you cant run flex fuel" So pretty much everything someone would want to get into light mods to get an extra 150whp on their slowbaru. "You can still make 500hp on an accessport" like someone aiming for 500hp isn't putting down the money for a standalone ecu. Cobb did their customer base dirty with this and showed how weak they are. Instead of fighting like all of the small tuners and helping the cause, they just said "Govern us more Daddy!" And they didn't even leave an option to not update the software, like they could have just done that and no one would have been mad, but no, they deleted half of their functionality. I'm glad I got out of the Subaru game when I did cuz their new cars are trash and the aftermarket support just went to shit. Forced update/planned obsolete garbage. I don't get how y'all aren't heated. I don't even have a Subaru or an accessport anymore and I'm fuming. I'm wishing you all luck in finding another reasonable tuning solution.
Thanks for making this video. After taking a deep breath, I realized I can still go stage 3 without any worries.
Dude what is happening, it just feels like everything we love about cars is dying.
Happened before and will continue to happen. Just have to keep adapting
@@Smeedia amen brother
I can't make myself like EVs. I just can't do it.
@@Dr.Ticklebum69 fuck no you will find me dead before i buy a fcking ev fck the goverment and fck them trying to force it upon everyone. it will soon be a complete failure there is no fcking way in hell the support system to run widespread ev will be in place anytime soon. there is literally so much fcking work that has to be done. its just another liberal green weenie fcking pipe dream that will explode in their face
@@Dr.Ticklebum69 there’s literally no way man. There’s nothing fun about an EV to me. The closest I’ll ever get to one is a hybrid like the NSX other than that nah
You always come in with the quickness for the fans!! 💪💪
I try to 🔥🔥
any smart tuner has a backup anyways, and if they truly are smart, they wont update their backup.
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Speed density is still working! It was only removed for Nissan platforms.
Glad to hear it's still working 🔥 few tuners I talked to were saying they were having issued with MAF stuff
Bruhhhhhh…your analogy needs adjusting…open source tuning != Windows, OST = LINUX!!!! #IMANERD
My bad 😅😅😅😅
Ive owned 3 STI's and never used a COBB AP once, they seem pretty popular in america.
All my homies hate the EPA🗿
About to make some disrespected EPA Merch 🤣
Olives and Anchovies sounds so good right now 😆
Definitely looking at Tactrix for my short term needs on the FRS.
Tactrix stocks 📈📈📈
I wonder if you could make a decent sized house with all the useless bricks cobb just made
Probably lol
As always; the best explanation video regarding the corn on the Cobb debacle.
Stand alone boys and move to texas
"Cobb = Apple, Open source equals Linux/Android" could have been a better analogy. Cobb also hired all the top developers working on open source. Solid video though. Everyone needs to calm down. Link is also REALLY close to a PnP on the 08+ cars.
Lol my bad 😅 the point was made though lol
Thank you for reminding me there will always be people tuning Subaru after Cobb. About to finally rebuild my 04 STi and had some serious concerns about my performance options
Talked to a turner can’t put in bigger turbos because it would exceed engine limits min/max which trips CEL for over boosting which is a feature they can’t delete. Just another thing that was a vague thing.
Would the boost controller not compensate for it? Is it regulated by PSI then?
@@Smeedia I didnt really ask the details but he basically said you’d be wasting money on a bigger turbo since you wouldn’t be able to boost past the ecus max threshold. So imma assume you could control the boost to stay below but would the couple thousand be worth the cost to stay below the ecus max boost limit? That’s what I took out of it.
There’s a lot of mis-information out there. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Thank you man u really are Goat Clutch, i was just worried since all i want to do is nice exhaust, intercooler basic stuff thank you appreciate you my guy
Bloomslang offers the plug and play for 15+ sti for Haltech elite 2500 that is what was on my car before I made custom race harness
Also for aem infinity
I love this channel helps me with any issues I run into
I knew this was coming almost a year ago. Great vid, brother. Good to know there is still plenty of options for tuning our cars.
The future is still ours 🔥
because biden got in office.... trump literally almost disbanded the EPA, biden of course reinstated it... good job people good work =]
Good job explaining what's going on Tanner.You are the Man.
Nailed it. The information in here is spot on.
Im totally new to modding cars bought a 2010 sti off some kid who was running it to the ground and i am in the process of brining it back to factory spec mostly maintenance stuff before atrempting to modify it and ive heard that cobb was the go to one stop shop but ive also seen the laptop thing before so i will probably skip cobb and go straight to learning opensource tunning i am a computer nerd so the open laptop was always appealing to me lmao 😂 but sucks about what cobb did with the flex fuel kit i was thinking of dropping a few grand and bulk buy their kit huge bullet dodged 😅😅😅
Edit: i really appreciate the comprihensive explination you gave on the whole cobb thing i think it will help put some worries to bed along with clearing up some miss information. 🙏🏼
Thanks for the information. Just got an '18 WRX and then this happened. At least I should be good going with Stage 1.