3v3 overtime has a BIG problem
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- With the NHL considering changes to the 3 on 3 overtime format soon, I wanted to highlight why this is a problem and this game between the Washington Capitals and the Carolina Hurricanes is a perfect example.
In this video, I break down how 3 on 3 OT has changed over the years and why it needs to change.
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No need for a shot clock. Eliminate the shootout. Can't win without shooting the puck now
Definitely agree with that but also make O.T. 5 on 5 for 10minutes
@@bbqbeer18835v5 5 min. 3v3 for 5
1v1 instead of a shootout 😂
@bbqbeer1883 why would we go back to 5 on 5 ?
1000% correct. Hate the shootout.
@@shawnhayward8152 its that or either 4on4 but they could also appointment the winners in overtime 3 points for the win and the losers 2 and if it ends in a tie 1 points for each team.
Eliminate the shootout but play 3-on-3 for a maximum of 5 minutes and if still tied then nobody gets the third point.
For sure. I think if you eliminated the shootout there would be no reason to dick around like this. Maintaining posession to regroup and get the right chance migth still be a thing, which I'm fine with because it's a temporary thing. No third point if nobody gets it within 10 minutes would provide the teams with a sense of urgency and that 10th minute would see teams taking some crazy chances.
yep
Its not a bad idea, but the NHL had this before going to the shoot out. Coaches would rather take the tie than lose the point so the overtime was a non-event. You have to get punitive and say no points are awarded if no one wins the game. That way you have to play to win to earn points.
@@watchinthebay5624 I think he’s saying, overtime loss is still one point. Overtime win is 2. Tie is one point each. No shootout. The only way your getting the extra point is playing aggressive to score within those 5 minutes, otherwise you only ever walk away with one point.
I'm cool with implementing a tie game, with each team getting 1 point. However, I feel like there should be some kind of incentive to try and win. In OT, if you win, you get both points, and the losing team gets nothing. This way, there's always a point left on the table. Both miss on a point for tying in OT, and the losing team does not get a pity point for losing in OT. Winner takes all.
I feel like a shot clock would break the flow of overtime games and would prefer they don't implement it. If a shot clock violation is just a stoppage in play and faceoff then a lot of teams would decide to just hold the puck and take the faceoff rather than go for a low percentage shot that gives up possession. If you want to play a low event game you can still hold possession to waste clock and if you go over it's not a big loss. It'll just make overtime take longer by forcing more faceoffs without necessarily bringing more rush chances and back and forth.
If instead you make a shot clock violation a 2 minute delay of game penalty then it's likely to be way too harsh. If you need to register a shot on goal or a change of possession, then you're punishing players for trying to pick corners, even if they're shooting the puck a lot. You're also punishing them for winning races and puck battles. Imagine having a dominant offensive zone shift with a slot shot that hits the post and a rebound put just wide ending with a defensive zone faceoff and penalty kill. Seems really unfair, and if you change it to shot attempts then you'll just have players shoot intentionally way wide so it wraps all the way into the defensive zone where one of their players or goalie can collect the puck to reset the clock.
If they're going to make OT changes, I'd prefer an over and back rule. It would encourage D to be more aggressive attacking players at the blue line, while a shot clock encourages passive defenses attempting to block or dissuade shots. It also doesn't completely neuter teams that are weaker on the rush, since you can still play a possession game in the offensive zone. I'm sure it would have it's own problems, but I think it'd be both easier to adjust to and less disruptive than a shot clock.
Amazing comment, I completely agree with you.
I agree with what somebody else said no shoot out and by eliminating the shoot out would eliminate this delay in game of puck possession... Also O.T. should be 10minutes 5on5
@@CunuckHockeyone thing to remember though, this is hockey not basketball. I don't agree with nothing he said.
eliminate overtime and shoot out game ends at end of regulation third period; no need for anything else
And the Americans have messed things up again. And like always, what do they propose to fix it ? Same as always : more Americanisation that creates a bigger mess. Pull all the Canadian teams out of the NHL, create a seven league with the winner getting the Stanley Cup. There is no judge in Canada suicidal enough to give it to the Yanks. Give them one of the replicas and we ( I may live in Europe, but I'm still Canadian ) keep the original.
Easy.
Eliminate the shootout.
Then they won't play keep-away for four minutes.
Unless you also make overtime infinite it'll change nothing because plenty of teams will just play for a tie rather than risk giving up the extra point to a rival.
@@powwowken2760Overtimes are unlimited in playoff hockey. Having unlimited 3v3 OT sounds like a great idea, more exciting than playoff OT even.
@@GlitchedPerception except for the working family who paid to go to the game. There is a reason why they need the regular season to have a finite length, the shorter the better.
@@SirCanuckelhead 3 on 3 OT doesn’t drag on for as long as 5 on 5 OT. It would be much better than a long shootout too.
Make it “3v3 next goal wins” and eliminate the shootout. I hate the shootout. Stupid since its inception into the league.
Why is it stupid? It is part of the game. Do you think penalty shots should also be eliminated?
@@_kainzow9365 It’s stupid because deciding a winner of a TEAM sport by having 1 player at a time get a free shot makes no sense. It’s more exciting watching the teams play against each other.
Shootout is not penalty shots. Penalty shots are awarded on very rare occasions when someone on the ice interferes illegally with a player who deserves a breakaway within the team play dynamic of the game. Apples to oranges comparison.
@@petra_kalbrain4426so PKs in soccer is stupid? It’s part of the game and adds excitement
@@thatoneguy9666 Soccer is understandable given how few opportunities the players have to score AND the size of the field makes it hard to make players extend the game. Add to that the infrequent player changes and it becomes a health & safety no-brainer.
Hockey has 30-60s shifts and scoring chances are FAR greater in number. Plus, with 3 man rotations the players aren’t being as physically taxed by continuing to play until a goal is scored.
Once again, an apples to oranges comparison.
@@petra_kalbrain4426 shootouts are an exciting and efficient way to end a game
Not a shot clock but a half ice rule. Once you cross the red line you can't go back to your own side unless the puck is knocked back by the other team.
If the rule is violated then the face off goes back into your own zone.
And, like icing, you cannot change players on the ice.
No a half-bad idea though
OT should only be in the playoffs eliminating the shootout . A tie should be just a tie with both teams earning a point. There is no sense waring the players out especially players who have plenty of ice time that could result in more injuries or more swollen ankles
Either eliminate the shootout and make them play for a win or go old school and return to ties, leaving 5-5 sudden death OT for the playoffs.
Ties are trash
Ties are for soccer and soccer sucks
so are points for an overtime loss. Losses are losses and should get ZERO points.@@garrett6618
For more than 40 years, ties were part of regular season hockey (with OT 5-5 and reserved for playoff hockey)--if you couldn't win a regular season game in regulation then you sucked and deserved to be called out on that--a single point given each because neither earned 2 points and neither actually lost. However, both were LOSERS.. Five minutes of possession dominated 3-3 followed by a shootout is more like World Cup soccer. Current NHL Regular Season OT /SO has greater suckitude than anything any real sports fan ought be subjected. @@johnkc4775 Agreed that soccer fans are not fans of any real sport.
Easy fix. Rule change 1. Not allowed to bring puck back across the red line. Plus if you change the standings . 3 Points for a win in Regulation. 2 points for win in OT. 1 point for a win in shootout.. and 0 points for a loss at any point. Reward winning faster.
This is great. I don't think you even need the red line rule. Is a team going to endlessly rag the puck for a higher percentage chance in the shootout if you only earn a point?
@@brucerichard954 Teams aren't just ragging the puck to get to a shootout. This actually rarely happens. Teams just don't want to give up possession and waste opportunities.
Another idea would be to just eliminate offside in 3v3. A redline rule would result in a lot of stoppages and teams icing the puck on themselves back to their goalie.
The shot clock is a stupid idea. How will the players know? It's not like you can look up while someone is charging up. The injuries would be at an all-time high. However, what you can do is implement the same rules as in basketball where once you cross the middle of the ice you cannot go back. This would be a good rule for OT. Tihs would mean teams would have no choice but to spend the time in the OZ. Shot clocks or clocks in any shape or form will not work. This is like telling your O line in the NFL they can only block for the QB 5 seconds after he got the ball. Makes zero sense injuries will just destroy the game.
No props to the Caps coaching staff, that was gutless.
10 vs 10 without goalie
😂
I think the best thing to do is apply some basketball rules. You only have a set amount of time to get it past center, and once you do, you can't bring it back across unless it's tipped or something
Give players the ability to be more creative and eliminate offsides in overtimes
Sound like a new game got invented, Tockey or Hennis? You gonna have on D-man on either end lobbying pucks back and forth as all the forwards will be standing still screening each goalie
You need to change the point system AND get rid of the shootout. You need to give incentive rather than constantly tweaking actual gameplay. Stop giving teams a point for just making it to OT. Bring back ties, and if you tie you get nothing. That’ll light a fire under the teams to take chances. With as close as these playoff races can get you need to put a premium on points.
I like this idea in theory but my team is surviving off loser points right now lol
An over and back rule would definitely help and seems to be the most viable option.
To really hammer home the 'finish it in OT' mentality they could maybe make a shootout loss not give a point but that doesn't seem likely. Same with them removing the shootout all together as others have suggested since while I hate the shootout, infinite overtime until one side wins just isn't viable in the regular season and I can't see the NHL welcoming back ties.
Get rid of the shootout. With one point in hand already, and no skills competition, teams low in the standings and that need points will play for that second point.
Let change the points earned from shootout for the losing team that will get 0 point instead.
At time of this comment CAR and NYI both have played 32 games but how on earth NYI have more points (39) than CAR (37) when they've won only 15 games while CAR won 17. There is something wrong with the points system here.
Well the Isles beat the Canes in OT, and a good OT at that. They didn’t hold the puck so they could get a shootout either, they attacked. So Isles have an extra point over the Canes for that, and the Canes have more regulation losses while the Isles have more OT losses.
I like the idea of having 2 points for a win and 10 min OT where you don't get an extra point for getting there. But you remove the shootout and have a tie that gives each team 1 point for the tie. I think teams would much more want to aim for the 2 points for that win.
I adore this idea.
That seems like a beautiful compromise of the old ways to the whacked out new 3v3-shootout system
If you go into overtime it should be no points for the loser and the winner only gets 1
If there's no shot attempt on goal and you go to the neutral zone that's fine but if you go back to your zone then a delay of game penalty is assest that would keep it from being a game of keep away in my opinion
Make it a 10 minute 3 on 3 where you can’t cross any of the three lines back into your own zones. It would be weird but it would be awesome
Shoot outs are cool to watch but I've never thought it was a fair representation of the teams. This 3 on 3 issue is just another reason to get rid of it.
The rule change that will give it a fix would be a center line rule.... The team on attack cannot bring it back past the center line or it's a penalty for delay of game.... without control, like an arrand pass would be an icing call and bring a faceoff the attacking teams defensive zone to restart play...Defense used to chuck the puck over the glass when the pressure was on till it became a delay of game penalty... problem fixed.
Teams would adjust to a center line rule and it would be the same issue.
Absolutely no to the concept of a shot clock. To succeed in OT, puck possession is crucial, but you only need to make a minor tweak and you can look to basketball's "over and back" rule (or half court violation). Once the puck carrying team crosses into the attacking zone on side (past the blue line), they can only move the puck in the offensive half of the rink; pass or carry the puck back into your half of the ice without the other team touching the puck and the refs whistle the play dead and you get a faceoff in the previously attacking team's zone, like icing. If the attacking team feels the need to retreat back from the blue line, the space to control the puck is much smaller, so they are either forced to put a shot towards the net or risk the defending team gaining possession either through a takeaway or the attacking team crossing into their half of the ice. Seems like it would be simpler to rule on as well, it's not line the offside rule and skate position--it's about who is responsible for the puck crossing the center line.
Here's some brainstorming;
1) Modify the points system. Make every game worth three points to encourage teams to go for the regulation win. OT wins will divide the three points the same way they do now, two to the winner and one to the loser.
2) Modify OT. Add two minutes of game time. The threat of fatigue will encourage teams to try for the win.
3) Either eliminate the shootout or modify it by allowing a backchecker to take off from the other goal line once the puck is touched. If he disrupts the approach, round over. This will stop the slo-mo dangling displays we've seen in recent years. Penalties by tge backchecker count as shootout goals.
just scrap overtime all together in the regular season and bring back draws as 1 points each. During the work week especially fans want to go home at night and not wait around for a winner.
Terrible idea, people love overtime. Just because you are old and go to bed at 9 doesn't mean the world needs to revolve around you.
Just have a goalie fight to choose to winner if it's still tied after OT
They could make it so it's a delay of game penalty for going back to your own zone or back across center ice because that is exactly what they are doing.. delaying the game.
It isn’t delay of game. The clock is moving and the players are playing. The fact that one team can’t figure out how to force the other team to turn over the puck is on them.
No OT, No shoot-out....Both teams get 0 for a tie.
Absolutely! Getting 0 points eliminates 'playing for the tie' (which happened a lot before overtime was brought in for regular season), guaranteeing an exciting finish. 3 on 3 and shootouts are not hockey.
Screw a shot clock. That would destroy hockey. Do a 3 on 3 OT. If it's still tied 1 point to both teams. That eliminates this.
I think the shootout and the 3v3 in overtime negatively effects the integrity of the game of ice hockey and doesn't help to pick a real winner of the game. In other words it's not pure hockey.
I thought this would be a fad or a phase that hockey would go through for a little while and they would get back to real hockey but this has gone on too long.
Go back to 5v5 for overtime and eliminate the shootout and 3v3.
Choose either a double overtime or a triple overtime or just end in a tie. There's nothing wrong with that.
All players wear a shock collar, after each minute interval the shock setting is increased until a goal is scored. The game ends in a draw when all players are flopping around like dead fish and no longer able to advance the puck forward.
I think if you rag the puck back out of the offensive zone you have to pass before you cross another line (red or blue). Otherwise it is a faceoff in your zone.
OT should be five minutes, 5v5. No shootout. If it ends in a tie, so be it.
The goalie in 3v3 format is walking a tightrope. Alone on an island many times.
Remove the shootout. Penalty shots used to be rare and exciting, now the shootout made them just another basic play. Do 5 minutes of 4 on 4, then 5 minutes of 3 on 3 if there was no score in 4 on 4. If no score after both, give 1 point to each team and a tie.
I hope they do implement it. Teams doing this is the most annoying and boring thing ever and such a cowards way out.
This feels like a rare occurrence. I’m a caps fan and I’m glad they did it because Carolina are a much faster skating team. The caps played Columbus in OT today and didn’t do it because they felt more confident attacking them 3v3 and got the win. It’s just a strategy that’s rarely implemented
Imagine it's your first time going to a live game and that's what you get, they should be putting on a good show not embarrassing themselves.
it usually isn't this bad but teams are always bringing the puck back across the red line in OT. Creating some sort of OT specific offsides, like a basketball-type halfcourt violation type thing would be a worthwhile experiment IMO.
@@dugannash9109 I really like the basketball idea. That would be the perfect compromise
How about if a team takes a penalty during 3 on 3 overtime it will be an automatic penalty shot for the other team instead of making it a 4 on 3 PP. That should be a rule implemented during regulation as well when a team is down 2 men and they take another penalty it will be an automatic penalty shot for the team.
Take the puck back over half
WHISTLE
Faceoff in offending zone
You can no longer rag the puck back over half
SUM WHAT SOLVED !
easy call by the officials
Also could add a one minute penalty for the offence
i like your whistle idea
Shot clock... This isn't basketball. Might as well suggest a baseball rule or 2. Player can't possess the puck for more than x seconds. Yup that's dumb too. I've never liked the present format. Teams that are tied in the last 5 minutes generally go into a shell and play for the point vs taking chances for the win. Same with OT.
What I suggest is the following.
5 minute OT. 5v5.
2 points for the win, no loser point. Games that are still tied after OT, no points for either team
No shootout
End the shootout and if the OT ends in a tie then neither team gets a point. You probably don't even need OT if you eliminate getting a point for a tie.
The thing about 5 on 5 is it is also a puck possession game. Teams are just too stupid to play it. The amount of dump ins to line change directly correlates with goals against.
Why do RUclipsrs always add loud music in the background of their videos like this?
Shot clocks are stupid. It takes talent to keep the puck that long. It’s the chess match with the game and it’s good for hockey
hockey used to be 5 on 5 in OT and ended in a tie. at least it was real hockey. 3 on 3 is for kids on a pond. if its real, its in the playoffs. ive had enough with this stupid OT shit. how to avoid this? 3 points for regulation win. 2 points for OT win 1 point for OT loss. but that wont change either. to think the league has to gain fans by a 5 or less minute overtime that might not happen does not make sense.
That was like watching the late 90's Devils.
Shot clock maybe leads to loss of possession with no face off? Puck to the goalie and violating team clears the zone? Or something like that. Don't yell at me! You never validate me! I need a mental health day...
I'm a big fan of 3v3 as it's definitely the most exciting way to determine the winner of a game. Even the shootout, though a lot of people hate it, is a super exciting way to decide the winner from a viewing perspective especially if you are there watching it in-person. That being said I'm sure most fan bases feel snake-bitten whenever they lose in the shootout. A shot clock like basketball is interesting, but I agree with the top comment that the flow of the game shouldn't be disrupted. So to avoid excessive whistles, maybe the NHL should invoke a 'Possession Clock' where possession must willingly be given up every 25-30 seconds, with a shot on goal resetting a team's clock until the defending team regains possession. Some teams might abuse this by icing the puck, so perhaps the NHL should also remove icing in the 3v3 Overtime.
Just some dumb thoughts I had haha. Even if I don't have the right solution, I'm sure there are ways to make 3v3 even more fun and enjoyable to watch.
Can we just do ties again?
If you leave the defensive zone with the puck you are to be declared offside if you dont cross the offensive blue line and go back to your own defensive zone. I you do not leave the defensive zone... delay of game penalty.
Eliminate the shootout and do not award a point for an OTL. Fairly simple.
Time to add a shot clock for the overtime. Works in Basketball.
Eliminate the shootout. Play 3 on 3 until a goal is scored.
Each team will use their abilities as they see fit. If patience is required to create a scoring chance, that is what they will do. I never want to see overtime scripted like a WWF match by someone who wants to see “action”. Let the teams trying to win a game decide what is best for them, not what is best for sports writers.
If 3 on 3 is so wonderful why not play the whole damn game that way? It, and the shootout, are ridiculous. It's not hockey, it’s a silly spectacle.
Three on three is as lame as last years stupid ‘all star’ game with the stupid, childish acting that even pre-schoolers would find boring and jump off a cliff.
5min overtime is like pre-mature ejac….over before you know it.
Overtime,
4on4…8-10 minutes
Scrap the shootout.
Shootout? Needs a defender to chase the shooter, becoming a break-away competition.
I absolutely hate the showboating and
dilly-dallying put on by these clowns.
ITS HOCKEY! PLAY THE FKN GAME!
The fans pay big $ to watch and want hockey action not ragging the puck. The players get paid to play hockey not rag.
Get rid of the Shootout. Would rather have non stop OT. Nothing wrong with what the Caps did.
Eliminate the shootout.
Let's go to 2 on 2 overtime!
All kidding aside, I don't know any other major sport which changes the basic rules of the game for overtime. Going to 4 on 4 was stupid, going to 3 on 3 was stupider and all these ideas about a shot clock take the game further down the same stupidity path.
All you have to do is tell coaches 0 points are awarded for a tie. Ie. to earn points you have to win the game. Teams would have to actually play to finish a game rather than banking cheap points.
Well we know the person making this video is a kid, talking about 4 on 4 overtime. What about when it was 5 on 5?
Also only problem I see here is the Hurricanes just standing around instead of forcing a turn over. Nothing needs to change.
As in not taking the bait to force a play when the other teams has the puck on your doorstep. It would indeed be a dumb move so why do that
Don’t really see the need to make every sport “more” exciting. If you don’t like the sport as it is, don’t watch. Or don’t play it. And if it’s not successful enough, dissapear it.
List of my preferred options:
1. Eliminate OT completely. Tie is a valid game result in any other sport, and in many other hockey leagues around the world.
2. If for whatever reason you want OT, make it 4 on 4... 3 on 3 is too volatile, so of course nobody wants to make mistake
3. If for whatever reason you want 3 on 3 (*) leave it be and reap what you sow. New tactics will evolve.
* if the reason why you wanted 3 on 3 was that it's more dynamic, well, now it's not, so go bak to 4 on 4
Limited OT, no shootout, a tie game means no point for either team. You either win or you don't😁
Enough with the BS!
Enter the world of roller hockey. If you watch or play pro roller hockey this is the name of the game puck possession.
If you eliminate shootout how do you end the game? What if its like 1-1 and 4th overtime 3rd game in the row. Its extreme case but that would be extremely taxing on players in 82 games long seasion
Do what they use to do and call it a tie and give each team the point. If you lose in OT you get no point just like the original ways. No more loser points.
Does anybody actually watch the shootout? I just turn the game off if it doesn't end in OT. Might as well just flip a coin at that point.
Why even bother with overtime at this point
Don’t need to ruin the NHL more than it already is
Or just learn how to play defense 😂 Defense and Enforcing has been abysmal since 2016
I like how when part of the game evolves to be more defensive and possession based, everyone considers it a problem. If you didn’t think OT would become like this you probably shouldn’t ever coach
You're right, but hockey games are for fans to enjoy, not for coaches to enjoy!
I like how only some people have common sense and the others are coaches
@@patrickgoulet8170 I like when people are too dense to realize I don’t actually mean you have to be a coach but just understand what you’re watching
This ain't basketball so no to the shot clock
get rid of 3-3 and bring back the tie.
theres a reason we dont do this nonesense in the playoffs. cause its not hockey.
Once u cross the red line with possession and exit the line u cannot reenter with possession, until the other team has had a reasonable opportunity to claim and control the puck, if u take it back fair game.
If you dump it at the line ie for line changes or dump in purposes and u get control of it again cuz the other team was sleeping then so be it.
This ain't basketball
A shot clock
The clot shot..
it should be no points for a loss in the shootout. This way they are playing for the win in overtime.
This is worse. Then teams would do this gutless OT shit more.
So what was wrong with all of this? A shot clock is completely dumb. Don't come up with ideas like this.
Holy SHIT, that is incredibly lame! WOW
Time for 1 on 1 OT
LOVE this idea!
All OT should be like it is in the playoffs. Play until someone wins
Make a win in reg time 3 pts
Or 2 points for win, 0 for OT win and -1 for OT lose.
This is pitiful! Keep re-inventing the game due to this kind of trash. I’m 100% in favour of TRYING to keep the game exciting or simply no OT and straight to a shootout. Otherwise what’s the point!
Get rid of the shoot out
2 minutes for delay of game. Presto.
It's all BS, nothing wrong with a tie.
If a team thinks their chances are better in the shootout why deny them the chance?
it’s cringe and i don’t want to watch it
How about you just left it alone to begin with and continue 5 on 5 overtime periods until someone scores just like the game is played in the first 3 periods of the game.
You have this problem because you are doing silly stupid things to determine tie games.
Why is it a big deal if a game ends in a tie during the regular season?
Go back to one or 2 overtimes playing 5v5
3 on 3 is shite and shootout isnt very good either.
I always thought of a changed point system
5 points reg win
4 points ot win
3 points so win
2 point so loss
1 point ot loss
0 regulation loss
Maybe that would only help as teams get closer to the playoffs and are more desperate for points.
What if, IF the game is tied when the Game clock runs out the 3rd period lasts indefinity as sudden death, ending with the next goal winning. that solves all the problems perfectly.
I don’t mind it. Puck possession takes skill. 3 on 3 ot is very European. Puck possession is everything. If we are gonna change a rule I’d rather see a 20 second statue of limitations on offsides challenges. If it doesn’t directly lead to a goal then the goal stands. Any breakdown in ot could lead to 3 or 4 exciting odd man rushes, so watching players have to play perfect hockey to avoid that is fun for me 🤷🏼♂️
Get rid of the shootout and reward 1 point each for an OT tie. Change a regulation win to three points keep an OT win 2 points, OT loss stays as 1. Give teams an incentive to attempt to win OT and regulation.
Couldn't care less.
Please, no NBA in NHL. Their sport sucks and ours is much better, period.
The NHL has basketball-ized hockey enough already.
the 3 on 3 has become mostly boring. I've kinda hated it for a while. You do get some good moments, but mostly it's slow and boring. There's no way a shot clock would work in hockey though. I don't know. Not being able to leave the zone once you enter might be somewhat interesting. Have to see it in action first though.
It’s fine. Stop changing things every year!
You cant put new rules to avoid puck possesion. Just be better and get puck possession back
Win, tie, loss. No OT. Getting a point for an OTL is strangeeeeeee