He's the type of goalie we need in Carolina. After the Buffalo game Dec 2nd I was fortunate to get my jersey signed and a picture with Kochetkov. What a great fella. Let's Go Canes
Kooch actually WAS a defenseman at one point during his hockey career. The Carolina announcers pointed it out after he made that play, I think they said he played it in juniors at one point.
I love Kooch. He had a rough start to the season but he’s turned it around in a really good way. He’s exactly what the canes need and I’m pretty confident that by the end of his career, he will have a goalie goal and a fight (in the NHL)
You forgot the part where he wasn't the one chosen for the on ice interview after the game because he wasn't the first star of the game but went and forced his way into the post game on ice interview anyways unprompted. Barely let Slavin get a word in and everyone loved it. Legend.
He actually was the first star of that game. Slavin, as second star, was chosen for the interview because Pyotr didn’t speak more than a few words of English. Despite that he decided to give it a try and give us a show instead.
Leafs fan here, I am happy for the Canes and fans. Kooch is an awesome goalie and has a great personality as others in the comments have mentioned. Also loved his goalie goal and celly, great stuff
My brother and I just started to watch the NHL less than a month ago, and we are amused with everything! the games, the teams and the personalities of all of them, I wish hockey were more popular here. Btw Good video! Greetings from Mexico!... And sorry for my bad english Hahahha . . P. S: I think I'm turning into a Caniac😅
That's incredible! I'm so excited for you and your brother, you guys have so much to look forward to being new fans to the game! Also, good choice on the team - they're one of the more fun teams around and should be good for the next few seasons. I'm a Canucks fan myself, but the Hurricanes are a great team as well. And your English is great!
Vamos Canes!! Bienvenidos a la familia! Si pueden, vengan a visitar un dia, no lo llaman "La Casa mas ruidoso en el NHL" por nada. El ambiente en persona es increible!
I love this guy. As a goalie myself I always considered I could be hit playing the puck outside the crease. And if it was a close play I was ready for a collision. That’s half the fun!
One of my favorite goaltender moments ever was in my final year of midget (high school hockey in Canada for all you American's). One of my bestfriends was the goalie on my team and the first game of the year he decided to charge out from his crease to play the puck, the player on the other team absolutely steamrolled him sending his helmet flying as he completed a front flip from the hit then just casually flung his long hair back as he skated over to our bench laughing while all our players on the ice went after the guy who hit him. He was the best goalie in our league and there was quite a skill difference between him and our backup so we got pretty defensive about anyone trying to go after him and he was a large part of why we ended up winning the league that year. We still laugh about that hit and the casual hair fling to this date just over ten years later ..... and he too believes goalies should be fair game while out of their crease to play the puck
The league has it clearly defined. Goalies are not fair game just because they're outside their crease. Rule 8.5 - Interference with the Goaltender Goaltender interference refers to any attacking player who, by means of their stick or body, interferes with or impedes the movements of the goaltender by actual physical contact. While incidental contact with the goaltender may occur, attacking players must make an effort to avoid contact in all circumstances. The onus is always on the attacking player and players who do not make an effort to avoid the goaltender must be penalized. Protection of the Goaltender: A Goaltender is not ‘fair game’ just because they are outside their goal crease. A penalty under this rule will be called where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with the goaltender anywhere on the ice. Likewise, Referees should be alert to penalize goaltenders for infractions they commit within the vicinity of their goal.
I know it's a rule now but I would love to know when this rule was instated because it wasn't this way back when I played the game. But if you did hit a golaie you knew you were dropping the gloves.
As a former Lacrosse goalie once we were out of the crease we were treated as any other player on the field. I embraced that by joining in on the play. I never understood why hockey goalies were so coddled once they left the crease.
@@dabootvvexcept we do wear pads. We have no protection down low, tend to not wear elbow pads like the rest of the players, and don't wear shoulder pads (we do have a larger chest protector to protect our midsection from shots). As such, we are susceptible to getting wacked on the elbows (this is a common target from attackmen to "punish us"), our arms, and our legs.
I always loved getting involved in the play. If there was a ground ball near my crease, I wouldn't hesitate to run out and pick it up and clear the ball. I'll be damned if I'm going to allow an attack man to scrap out a ball and shoot one on my crease.
I like my games played like this guy does. So much personality to every game and you have to adapt as a player not only to teams but their individuals in order to win. Not everyone is into the game turning cookie cutter for how Bettman wants Entertainment delivered from his palms via Toe-Drag-Release.
One of the reasons the league trys to protect goal keepers is that their equipment is meant to protect them from flying pucks where as a forward or defencemans equipment is designed to protect him from punishing body checks. His equipment is tightly fited just for this job, whereas as a keepers equipment is made to allow free movement. You also have to allow for the fact that a keeper can not move as quickly as a regular player, so the keeper is always going to come off a lot worse because of the kinetic energy difference. These are the reasons they try and protect keepers.
For open ice hits it really isnt making much of a difference outside of the helmet that disadvantages the goalies tho it's mostly the assumption they wont get hit that hurts them because idk about newer players but the equipment is really not that much like there is padding on the shoulders, the elbows and for upper body thats about it if anything goalies just lean back from the check so they end up on the receiving end just as any player would they are playing against players that had to thrive in bodycheck opposition since they are 13-14 while they never have thats all.
What's hilarious is he tells the reporters here he wants to be a forward and score goals and not be a goalie anymore. He is hilarious and everyone loves him.
He probably carried that 52 over from his defenseman days. Which is even more comically awesome! Dude's a stud and he's silly... which means he's infectiously likeable! I'm a Stars fan and I'm cheering the kid on. He's messing up hockey for me! Hope it continues...
Canes fan ...love Kochetkov. There should a an arch line from the corners to say the hash marks...make it green. If the goalie goes past that line he's fair game for being checked....behind the net not so much to much risk of injury.
I absolutely agree with you. When the goalie comes out of the net to play the puck or like in this video, block the guy off the puck, they should be open to everything the same as every other player.
When I was coming up they didn't want us to play like the old guys they wanted us to play this new style like the Canucks goalie and I think the old school goalies for a hell of a lot better than to days goaltenders we need more goalies like this again to make the craziest most skilled saves Martin Brodeur and Tim Thomas was honestly the last guys to really do that on a regular basis
Goalie here - we shouldn't be iniating contact, and players shouldn't be able to check us. Main reason is that the leg pads only let you move cleanly in certain planes of motion, so you really can't adjust your body to brace for contact in the same way. It's like hitting someone whose knees were ever so slightly tied together.
Panthers fan and I hope we get more goalies like him in the future. He's like, what if 90s goalies made a comeback. Love seeing him flail around in the net
i had the honor of being able to see him play with the Chicago Wolves and he’s a phenomenal goalie and an amazing personality. he has Chicago’s entire heart ♥
The reason the goalie isn’t free game is because they don’t have the same level of protection. The game would be worse if we more for taking hits instead of blocking shots. We’d also have to change team comps to allow more goalies in the lineup. If a skater or two gets hurt in a game, there are at least still 16 other skaters to use. We’d have to allow at least 5 or 6 goalies be on the bench.
pretty sure the point is more about the goalies staying in the net than it is about really hitting the goalie like in the example there is a collision but not real body check one just braced for the impact. You cant assume you will never be touched outside of the paint now that doesnt mean its free bodycheck just that player dont have to back off from reaching the puck you. play the puck and if a collision occurs (without charging then thats part of the game)
Tbh I agree goalies shouldn’t go out thinking they are invulnerable BUT the serious lack of padding on the back of the goalie means any hits to the back or landing on your back or back of head would lead to a lot more injuries to goalies compared to if you had the same hit against a normal player
The russian forward we just called up today from the wolves said Pyotr plays every game like it could be his last game. I also expect good things from this Pominorov(butchered it probably) guy
it seems fair to me that the goalie can't be checked, since it is also super risky to come out like that. any misstep is almost a sure goal. and goalies regularly come out of the crease to cut down an angle, wouldnt be fair to hit them. seems fairly balanced, it's just that a lot of players don't expect stuff like flying poke checks anymore so sometimes they're caught sleeping. On the other hand, I think Markstrom is notorious for coming out to play the puck and letting an easy goal in, so it works both ways.
I agree to an extent , the clips shown in the video for goalies getting hit ALOT OF THEM have hits the head of the tendy being shown , that imo doesn't count and needs to be called regardless
Used to be able to hit the goalie when he came out of the crease to play the puck. They had to change the rule cause goalies were getting injured so much.
One strange moment = Kochetkov has regular skater skaters, not the goalie ones. You can clearly see it on 2:39. It is so weird, the skater skates are not good protected from very strong shots. Any idea about that?
I get what you mean about making goalies fair game for checking but let’s consider how many starting goalies would be targeted and injured. Not good for the league.
To add on: goalie equipment also isn’t designed to take hits like skater equipment. They will be more prone to injury because of it which makes them easy targets.
I think there should be an area around the net, kinda like the trapazoid, that the goalie can play the puck without contact. Even as a canes fan, that call was crap. What does Raanta expect? You play the puck near the circle live with the consequences.
being an ex-goalie, your balance is just really whacky with the different skates and pads, so it's totally ok that players aren't supposed to check goalies, wherever they are on the ice but the rantaa situation was a different story, lumberg was simply too fast and got cut off, so its not his mistake :D hope kochetkov doesnt burn out and keeps his spirit!
Rules should be similar to soccer goalie is out of the goalie box or goalie crease then they are treated as another player on the field or ice and getting checked is one of those normal player functions
I'd like to see a bit more ability for goalies to be physical too, but at the same time I understand why it's really discoraged. Goalies are just too important to their teams for them to be allowed to be targeted by the oposition. Imagaine in the playoffs how beneficial it would be for the opposing toam to target Andrei Vasilevskiy for example, when if you injure him you probably win the series.
there used to be a time when goalies were allowed to be tackled when holding a puck outside the crease.. theres a reason why it isnt so anymore. goalie gear is not designed for hits and pads + not so agile goalie skates make them too easy target and head gear is designed for pucks not shoulders.
I honestly believe they should add a 24” dotted line around the goalie crease and net those extra inches are their safe zone out side if that goalie takes the risk of being hit
@@garygray2528 why not just say they can't leave the crease at all? why not just say if a goalie plays a puck that wasn't shot at them its a game misconduct. that would really stop that for happening. they already made the no touch zone because a goalie was too good at playing the puck.
@@justinmiller5660 I do agree but even with the small area of the crease I do believe they should be allowed an extra 12”-24”. Just cause the crease is so limited
I have thought for YEARS that the Goalies should NOT have immunity from hits when they leave their crease. They act like their life is over after getting bumped, but for goodness sake, they are the ones that are loaded up with padding! The time to change the rules on that crap was decades ago.
spoken like a man whos never dressed as a goalie and be hit by a skater going full speed. i bet you think you could have done a better job on the moon that Neil too huh?
The reason the hits on goaltenders out of the crease tend to get called is because so many people either go high on purpose (which is a penalty), or hit the goaltender away from the puck (which is a penalty). The Lomberg call, for example, he turned his shoulder into it. It wasn't a simple check. If he just bodies into the goaltender, that doesn't get called.
I mean, Lomberg is taking strides right into Raanta, the definition of a charge. Lomberg doesn't have the puck. I think I counted 6 full strides toward Raanta before running into him at full speed. Any player skating out like Raanta getting run over at a full sprint from Lomberg, would be charged. This would still be charging, even if it wasn't a goalie. Just because the goalie comes out to play it, any player can see what the goalie is doing, and Lomberg charged him as hard as you can possibly charge someone. Also, multiple boarding plays that you believe are "fair game". Plenty of goalies are physical. I didn't see the Price hit in this video. That's one of the best goalie hits ever. I get your complaints, but the Raanta play is a clear charging. What hockey are you watching? You don't get to just run into a player at full speed. It's a unique scenario, and goalies are always involved, but you seem to not understand that that is still charging. You jump over the goalie or go around. I played forward, then goalie, then D, then forward now that I'm old. Players don't get to charge the goalie coming out to play it. If that is a player blocking the empty net at the end of the game, and he steps out a bit and touches the puck and then gets steamrolled by Lomberg at top speed? Do you think that is charging? Or is the responsibility on the player standing in front of the empty net? Lomberg is allowed to plow over that defenseman reaching out to play the puck in front of the empty net? It's a charge dude.
The nebulous goalie impunity impugns my otherwise pure pride in the position. I believe: I keep out of trouble and scrums because my boys “have to” fight for me. And I think: If I’m going to play the puck, I better play it like a player. There will be no cheapshit, crying, or flopping… Just saves.
Nice goalie slew...pad 👀 Anywhoo, goalies can't be checked as if they are the 6th guy. They don't do hits training like the other 5 guys. Maybe they should 🤔
Should be lacrosse rules if the goalie comes out of the crease he’s just another man. However I understand the NHL Prioritizing protecting goalies their gear isn’t designed to take hits nor their skates and edges lacrosse goalies can come out and play the ball But they are on feet and have massive amounts of padding goalies only have padding on the front end with nothing on the back leaving them very vulnerable to many different types of injuries
It's so dangerous and risky for a goalie to skate forward and try to out-race a skater. You really gonna take a car crash standing still? The skater is moving forward at full speed and you're coming to a stop or sliding. That Kochetkov play behind the net is what they should be doing but most of those goalies getting smoked abused their "privileges".
Think of what targets goalies would be if you were allowed to hit them out of their crease. If they were fair game it would be a huge incentive to go after the other team's goalie. Also whats "out of the crease" defined as?. Whats where they make half of their saves. So are they fair game then... if their stick touches the puck in a save. So you can word it as "free to hit when they play the puck" but how to define that besides how they hold their stick. iTs just a giant can of worms and hard to define. And they'll be crazy targets... which is bad news for an already injury prone position.
i see a lot of people who have never played goalie saying we should be fair game. tell you what, let me take a run at you at full speed why you wear my goalie gear and then tell me you thinks its ok. if you can even remember what your name is after the hit.
I had a goalie do that to me in hs i was going so fucking fast to get puck and he skated out to almost even with top of the circle to get. I laid him the fuck out and got ejected from game. But dood legit stole a breakaway from me and dodnt have time so i pay for it? Still get pissed when i think about it and im in my 30s now Edit i got to the ouck befor him btw. And just plowed into him with all that momentum
If you are out of your cease, and playing the puck, you are FAIR game. I know there is an UNWRITTEN rule to not hit goalies but but then STAY IN YOUR NET.
Goalies already don't have the same protections outside their crease. Only an idiot would suggest removing those protections entirely by making them fair game. It comes down to inertia. Goalies are often stationary. If moving, they're usually not moving very fast, especially compared to, say, a zone crashing forward. This virtually guarantees they will be on the losing end of any collisions, putting them at risk for serious injury.
I agree Pyotr Kochetkov is a fun goalie to watch... but i completely disagree with your opinion on hitting the goalie, outside of a few circumstances... and when you included clips of goalies getting hit from behind while expressing your opinion is almost poetic
I always thought the rule was if the goalie comes out of his crease and plays the puck he is fair game to check, although most players do not check the goalie as the puck has usually been played, or just out of respect
Well, it is hard, because when goalie is playing the puck, he is more vulnerable than regular player (mask, pads, gloves), different skate blades. So you cannot prepare to be hit as regular player. I think the hitting goalie should be monitored in same fashion that are monitored hits player to player.
its been a crazy season for kochetkov, 3rd goalie to pretty much our only goalie. and he has really picked it up in the last month
He's the type of goalie we need in Carolina. After the Buffalo game Dec 2nd I was fortunate to get my jersey signed and a picture with Kochetkov. What a great fella. Let's Go Canes
Kooch actually WAS a defenseman at one point during his hockey career. The Carolina announcers pointed it out after he made that play, I think they said he played it in juniors at one point.
That’s super cool, I had no idea. But him rubbing out Goodrow makes more sense now 😂
So cool!
I don’t even care what his GAA% is. He’s the most entertaining tendy in the league
I love Kooch. He had a rough start to the season but he’s turned it around in a really good way. He’s exactly what the canes need and I’m pretty confident that by the end of his career, he will have a goalie goal and a fight (in the NHL)
I want to see him be the first goalie with a Gordie Howe Hat-trick.
You forgot the part where he wasn't the one chosen for the on ice interview after the game because he wasn't the first star of the game but went and forced his way into the post game on ice interview anyways unprompted. Barely let Slavin get a word in and everyone loved it.
Legend.
He actually was the first star of that game. Slavin, as second star, was chosen for the interview because Pyotr didn’t speak more than a few words of English. Despite that he decided to give it a try and give us a show instead.
Leafs fan here, I am happy for the Canes and fans. Kooch is an awesome goalie and has a great personality as others in the comments have mentioned. Also loved his goalie goal and celly, great stuff
Look at you such a good sport 🤪 Nobody gives a fuck who your a fan of.
@@BucNasT 💀
My brother and I just started to watch the NHL less than a month ago, and we are amused with everything! the games, the teams and the personalities of all of them, I wish hockey were more popular here. Btw Good video! Greetings from Mexico!... And sorry for my bad english Hahahha
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P. S: I think I'm turning into a Caniac😅
That's incredible! I'm so excited for you and your brother, you guys have so much to look forward to being new fans to the game!
Also, good choice on the team - they're one of the more fun teams around and should be good for the next few seasons. I'm a Canucks fan myself, but the Hurricanes are a great team as well.
And your English is great!
Welcome to the caniacs !!! Let’s go canes
Great English and welcome to the team!
Vamos Canes!! Bienvenidos a la familia! Si pueden, vengan a visitar un dia, no lo llaman "La Casa mas ruidoso en el NHL" por nada. El ambiente en persona es increible!
Kochetkov is so stereotypically individualistic goalie that i bet he also plays bass off the ice.
why you sound mad ?
@@TheEpicEndermanTV you think he plays drums instead?
@@imulippo5245 nah gotta be the trumpet
stereotypically individualistic? So he's a hipster trying to be original but is the most conformist of everyone 🤔
I love this guy. As a goalie myself I always considered I could be hit playing the puck outside the crease. And if it was a close play I was ready for a collision. That’s half the fun!
This!!
One of my favorite goaltender moments ever was in my final year of midget (high school hockey in Canada for all you American's). One of my bestfriends was the goalie on my team and the first game of the year he decided to charge out from his crease to play the puck, the player on the other team absolutely steamrolled him sending his helmet flying as he completed a front flip from the hit then just casually flung his long hair back as he skated over to our bench laughing while all our players on the ice went after the guy who hit him. He was the best goalie in our league and there was quite a skill difference between him and our backup so we got pretty defensive about anyone trying to go after him and he was a large part of why we ended up winning the league that year. We still laugh about that hit and the casual hair fling to this date just over ten years later ..... and he too believes goalies should be fair game while out of their crease to play the puck
The NHL and Sportsnet don't have the clip of Kochetkov landing that hit on the boards. Pretty annoying because that's a super clipable moment
Yeah I had so much trouble finding the clip too, had to rely on a twitter video at the end
It's cuz it's full of shesterkin clips of him saving three shots the whole game.
As a Caniac I freaking love this guy, he’s the face of the franchise and happy he’s finally getting the chance to showcase his talent
The league has it clearly defined. Goalies are not fair game just because they're outside their crease.
Rule 8.5 - Interference with the Goaltender
Goaltender interference refers to any attacking player who, by means of their stick or body, interferes with or impedes the movements of the goaltender by actual physical contact. While incidental contact with the goaltender may occur, attacking players must make an effort to avoid contact in all circumstances. The onus is always on the attacking player and players who do not make an effort to avoid the goaltender must be penalized.
Protection of the Goaltender: A Goaltender is not ‘fair game’ just because they are outside their goal crease. A penalty under this rule will be called where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with the goaltender anywhere on the ice. Likewise, Referees should be alert to penalize goaltenders for infractions they commit within the vicinity of their goal.
thanks for straightening me out on that 👍
I know it's a rule now but I would love to know when this rule was instated because it wasn't this way back when I played the game. But if you did hit a golaie you knew you were dropping the gloves.
@@robertstanford1778nhl introduced goalie interference in the 1930s. Can't speak to the league you played in though
As a former Lacrosse goalie once we were out of the crease we were treated as any other player on the field. I embraced that by joining in on the play. I never understood why hockey goalies were so coddled once they left the crease.
because you don't wear skates and pads that are totally different
@@dabootvvexcept we do wear pads. We have no protection down low, tend to not wear elbow pads like the rest of the players, and don't wear shoulder pads (we do have a larger chest protector to protect our midsection from shots). As such, we are susceptible to getting wacked on the elbows (this is a common target from attackmen to "punish us"), our arms, and our legs.
I always loved getting involved in the play. If there was a ground ball near my crease, I wouldn't hesitate to run out and pick it up and clear the ball. I'll be damned if I'm going to allow an attack man to scrap out a ball and shoot one on my crease.
@@troybaxter so what you're saying is you don't wear pads like a goalie. maybe you just don't know what "except" means in this context.
@@justinmiller5660 you said we don't wear pads. We do. It may not be exactly like that of an NHL goalie, but we still wear pads.
I like my games played like this guy does. So much personality to every game and you have to adapt as a player not only to teams but their individuals in order to win. Not everyone is into the game turning cookie cutter for how Bettman wants Entertainment delivered from his palms via Toe-Drag-Release.
One of the reasons the league trys to protect goal keepers is that their equipment is meant to protect them from flying pucks where as a forward or defencemans equipment is designed to protect him from punishing body checks. His equipment is tightly fited just for this job, whereas as a keepers equipment is made to allow free movement. You also have to allow for the fact that a keeper can not move as quickly as a regular player, so the keeper is always going to come off a lot worse because of the kinetic energy difference. These are the reasons they try and protect keepers.
For open ice hits it really isnt making much of a difference outside of the helmet that disadvantages the goalies tho it's mostly the assumption they wont get hit that hurts them because idk about newer players but the equipment is really not that much like there is padding on the shoulders, the elbows and for upper body thats about it if anything goalies just lean back from the check so they end up on the receiving end just as any player would they are playing against players that had to thrive in bodycheck opposition since they are 13-14 while they never have thats all.
What's hilarious is he tells the reporters here he wants to be a forward and score goals and not be a goalie anymore. He is hilarious and everyone loves him.
The Russian Bear. Gotta love him, especially since he didn't back down from The Rat.
Of course the Rat had to use his stick, coward@@troybaxter
I like the jersey number too-#52 isn’t your typical tendy number…kid’s different and I respect such things! ✊🏻🇷🇺
He probably carried that 52 over from his defenseman days. Which is even more comically awesome! Dude's a stud and he's silly... which means he's infectiously likeable!
I'm a Stars fan and I'm cheering the kid on. He's messing up hockey for me! Hope it continues...
@@xmarine73 Agreed, same with McDaniel, in Miami, same scenario… sometimes the league needs silly dudes
I DIDNT EVEN KNOW about him thank you so much for covering him I love this guy btw Canuck’s are amazing
As a Canes fan I can confirm all of this is absolutely true
that poke check was amazing
That body check was epic 😂
Canes fan ...love Kochetkov. There should a an arch line from the corners to say the hash marks...make it green. If the goalie goes past that line he's fair game for being checked....behind the net not so much to much risk of injury.
great video and insight ... keep it up ... right on all points.
That Sens game turned the season around for the Canes. Playing like the team we thought they were now. Thanks Brady!
I absolutely agree with you. When the goalie comes out of the net to play the puck or like in this video, block the guy off the puck, they should be open to everything the same as every other player.
When I was coming up they didn't want us to play like the old guys they wanted us to play this new style like the Canucks goalie and I think the old school goalies for a hell of a lot better than to days goaltenders we need more goalies like this again to make the craziest most skilled saves Martin Brodeur and Tim Thomas was honestly the last guys to really do that on a regular basis
Here in Raleigh we call that a 'Pyoke-Check'! 😊
Haha that’s so perfect
Was that a Pyoke-Check or a Pyoke-Trip? It looked like he only went after a skate blade.
Goalie here - we shouldn't be iniating contact, and players shouldn't be able to check us. Main reason is that the leg pads only let you move cleanly in certain planes of motion, so you really can't adjust your body to brace for contact in the same way. It's like hitting someone whose knees were ever so slightly tied together.
Panthers fan and I hope we get more goalies like him in the future. He's like, what if 90s goalies made a comeback. Love seeing him flail around in the net
i had the honor of being able to see him play with the Chicago Wolves and he’s a phenomenal goalie and an amazing personality. he has Chicago’s entire heart ♥
More goalies should be like Kochetkov.
Lomberg looked to me like he pulled back as much as his momentum allowed him to do so.
Love him and the 'Canes! Great video!
Likewise! Thanks for watching!
The reason the goalie isn’t free game is because they don’t have the same level of protection. The game would be worse if we more for taking hits instead of blocking shots. We’d also have to change team comps to allow more goalies in the lineup. If a skater or two gets hurt in a game, there are at least still 16 other skaters to use. We’d have to allow at least 5 or 6 goalies be on the bench.
pretty sure the point is more about the goalies staying in the net than it is about really hitting the goalie like in the example there is a collision but not real body check one just braced for the impact. You cant assume you will never be touched outside of the paint now that doesnt mean its free bodycheck just that player dont have to back off from reaching the puck you. play the puck and if a collision occurs (without charging then thats part of the game)
Tbh I agree goalies shouldn’t go out thinking they are invulnerable BUT the serious lack of padding on the back of the goalie means any hits to the back or landing on your back or back of head would lead to a lot more injuries to goalies compared to if you had the same hit against a normal player
Kochetkov reminds me a lot of Petr Mrazek. Well his old days
The russian forward we just called up today from the wolves said Pyotr plays every game like it could be his last game. I also expect good things from this Pominorov(butchered it probably) guy
Ponomarev has done pretty good so far in his two games on short notice
it seems fair to me that the goalie can't be checked, since it is also super risky to come out like that. any misstep is almost a sure goal. and goalies regularly come out of the crease to cut down an angle, wouldnt be fair to hit them. seems fairly balanced, it's just that a lot of players don't expect stuff like flying poke checks anymore so sometimes they're caught sleeping. On the other hand, I think Markstrom is notorious for coming out to play the puck and letting an easy goal in, so it works both ways.
What is that background beat @cunuckhockey ? Michael Bisping uses that as his intro sound, had me like "do I have a video open in another tab??" lol
Johnny Bower was the poke-check artist
Take care of the goalie. One day he will win the cup.
That was awesome on tatchuck
🇨🇦This Canuck 100% agrees that goalies should be fair game if they leave the crease! They have a ton of equipment on and are typically huge men!
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I agree to an extent , the clips shown in the video for goalies getting hit ALOT OF THEM have hits the head of the tendy being shown , that imo doesn't count and needs to be called regardless
2:13 excuse me if im wrong im new to hockey but he shouldered him in the head... isnt that the problem?
Yes
I like these breakdowns alot🎉
Used to be able to hit the goalie when he came out of the crease to play the puck. They had to change the rule cause goalies were getting injured so much.
One strange moment = Kochetkov has regular skater skaters, not the goalie ones. You can clearly see it on 2:39. It is so weird, the skater skates are not good protected from very strong shots. Any idea about that?
Loved the video...subscribed :)
I get what you mean about making goalies fair game for checking but let’s consider how many starting goalies would be targeted and injured. Not good for the league.
To add on: goalie equipment also isn’t designed to take hits like skater equipment. They will be more prone to injury because of it which makes them easy targets.
awesome stuff
I'm looking up a history of the poke check. What a move.
Once the goalie leaves blue area of the crease to play the puck, they should be fair play just like any other player on the team.
I agree. They should be fair game.
I think there should be an area around the net, kinda like the trapazoid, that the goalie can play the puck without contact. Even as a canes fan, that call was crap. What does Raanta expect? You play the puck near the circle live with the consequences.
being an ex-goalie, your balance is just really whacky with the different skates and pads, so it's totally ok that players aren't supposed to check goalies, wherever they are on the ice
but the rantaa situation was a different story, lumberg was simply too fast and got cut off, so its not his mistake :D
hope kochetkov doesnt burn out and keeps his spirit!
Rules should be similar to soccer goalie is out of the goalie box or goalie crease then they are treated as another player on the field or ice and getting checked is one of those normal player functions
1:26 That tackle on Lundquist was brutal, yikes
Koochhhhhhhh, they should have started him from the beginning of the season.
Hes like great value Bryzgalov.
I'd like to see a bit more ability for goalies to be physical too, but at the same time I understand why it's really discoraged. Goalies are just too important to their teams for them to be allowed to be targeted by the oposition. Imagaine in the playoffs how beneficial it would be for the opposing toam to target Andrei Vasilevskiy for example, when if you injure him you probably win the series.
Goalies' equipment isn't designed for recieving bodychecks
there used to be a time when goalies were allowed to be tackled when holding a puck outside the crease.. theres a reason why it isnt so anymore. goalie gear is not designed for hits and pads + not so agile goalie skates make them too easy target and head gear is designed for pucks not shoulders.
I honestly believe they should add a 24” dotted line around the goalie crease and net those extra inches are their safe zone out side if that goalie takes the risk of being hit
12” to 24”
@@garygray2528 why not just say they can't leave the crease at all? why not just say if a goalie plays a puck that wasn't shot at them its a game misconduct. that would really stop that for happening. they already made the no touch zone because a goalie was too good at playing the puck.
@@justinmiller5660 I do agree but even with the small area of the crease I do believe they should be allowed an extra 12”-24”. Just cause the crease is so limited
I have thought for YEARS that the Goalies should NOT have immunity from hits when they leave their crease. They act like their life is over after getting bumped, but for goodness sake, they are the ones that are loaded up with padding! The time to change the rules on that crap was decades ago.
spoken like a man whos never dressed as a goalie and be hit by a skater going full speed. i bet you think you could have done a better job on the moon that Neil too huh?
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The reason the hits on goaltenders out of the crease tend to get called is because so many people either go high on purpose (which is a penalty), or hit the goaltender away from the puck (which is a penalty). The Lomberg call, for example, he turned his shoulder into it. It wasn't a simple check. If he just bodies into the goaltender, that doesn't get called.
That game misconduct was a piss poor call. Even for protecting the goalie. He didn't lean into the hit at all.
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I mean, Lomberg is taking strides right into Raanta, the definition of a charge. Lomberg doesn't have the puck. I think I counted 6 full strides toward Raanta before running into him at full speed. Any player skating out like Raanta getting run over at a full sprint from Lomberg, would be charged. This would still be charging, even if it wasn't a goalie. Just because the goalie comes out to play it, any player can see what the goalie is doing, and Lomberg charged him as hard as you can possibly charge someone. Also, multiple boarding plays that you believe are "fair game". Plenty of goalies are physical. I didn't see the Price hit in this video. That's one of the best goalie hits ever.
I get your complaints, but the Raanta play is a clear charging. What hockey are you watching? You don't get to just run into a player at full speed. It's a unique scenario, and goalies are always involved, but you seem to not understand that that is still charging. You jump over the goalie or go around. I played forward, then goalie, then D, then forward now that I'm old. Players don't get to charge the goalie coming out to play it.
If that is a player blocking the empty net at the end of the game, and he steps out a bit and touches the puck and then gets steamrolled by Lomberg at top speed? Do you think that is charging? Or is the responsibility on the player standing in front of the empty net? Lomberg is allowed to plow over that defenseman reaching out to play the puck in front of the empty net?
It's a charge dude.
I play Goalie and agree
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Last season when Binnington tried to hit Staal, Binnington himself got bodied and there was no call
The nebulous goalie impunity impugns my otherwise pure pride in the position. I believe: I keep out of trouble and scrums because my boys “have to” fight for me. And I think: If I’m going to play the puck, I better play it like a player. There will be no cheapshit, crying, or flopping… Just saves.
Goalies don’t wear the same protective gear as players, change the helmet and back protection and you can let people hit goalies…
Nice goalie slew...pad 👀
Anywhoo, goalies can't be checked as if they are the 6th guy. They don't do hits training like the other 5 guys. Maybe they should 🤔
Should be lacrosse rules if the goalie comes out of the crease he’s just another man. However I understand the NHL Prioritizing protecting goalies their gear isn’t designed to take hits nor their skates and edges lacrosse goalies can come out and play the ball But they are on feet and have massive amounts of padding goalies only have padding on the front end with nothing on the back leaving them very vulnerable to many different types of injuries
You add the love of hockey to not being a young man in Russia right now, and you can start to understand his energy.
I definitely agree that if a goalie leaves the crease to play a puck, he should be fair game.
The flag was against Lamberg because he purposely stuck his elbow up to hit the goalie in the face
100% agree goalies should be fair game if they come out to play the puck.
It's so dangerous and risky for a goalie to skate forward and try to out-race a skater. You really gonna take a car crash standing still? The skater is moving forward at full speed and you're coming to a stop or sliding. That Kochetkov play behind the net is what they should be doing but most of those goalies getting smoked abused their "privileges".
Think of what targets goalies would be if you were allowed to hit them out of their crease. If they were fair game it would be a huge incentive to go after the other team's goalie. Also whats "out of the crease" defined as?. Whats where they make half of their saves. So are they fair game then... if their stick touches the puck in a save. So you can word it as "free to hit when they play the puck" but how to define that besides how they hold their stick. iTs just a giant can of worms and hard to define. And they'll be crazy targets... which is bad news for an already injury prone position.
Bro you are pronouncing his last name wrong. The stress is on the second "O". So it's KochetkOv, not KochEtkov.
0:42 why is that controversial? The Canes were up 4-1 with only 4 minutes left.
i see a lot of people who have never played goalie saying we should be fair game. tell you what, let me take a run at you at full speed why you wear my goalie gear and then tell me you thinks its ok. if you can even remember what your name is after the hit.
I had a goalie do that to me in hs i was going so fucking fast to get puck and he skated out to almost even with top of the circle to get. I laid him the fuck out and got ejected from game. But dood legit stole a breakaway from me and dodnt have time so i pay for it? Still get pissed when i think about it and im in my 30s now
Edit i got to the ouck befor him btw. And just plowed into him with all that momentum
Goalies cant be allowed to take contact because of the nature of their pads.
Poke-check-off brings that bit of chaos theory to the game that mathematicians love.
Google Ron Hextall or Patrick Roy lol
Goalies need to stay in the paint or it’s fair play when in front of the net.
2 mil a year for 4 years? He needs a new agent.
If you are out of your cease, and playing the puck, you are FAIR game. I know there is an UNWRITTEN rule to not hit goalies but but then STAY IN YOUR NET.
Goalies already don't have the same protections outside their crease. Only an idiot would suggest removing those protections entirely by making them fair game.
It comes down to inertia. Goalies are often stationary. If moving, they're usually not moving very fast, especially compared to, say, a zone crashing forward. This virtually guarantees they will be on the losing end of any collisions, putting them at risk for serious injury.
Back in the day if a golaie played the puck out side the crease he was fair game. I miss those days.
"Even outside of their goalie crease." It was here that I stopped watching the video.
Bro.. lacrosse has it right and goalies will fuck you up… Personal experience speaking here.
I agree Pyotr Kochetkov is a fun goalie to watch...
but i completely disagree with your opinion on hitting the goalie, outside of a few circumstances...
and when you included clips of goalies getting hit from behind while expressing your opinion is almost poetic
I always thought the rule was if the goalie comes out of his crease and plays the puck he is fair game to check, although most players do not check the goalie as the puck has usually been played, or just out of respect
Well, it is hard, because when goalie is playing the puck, he is more vulnerable than regular player (mask, pads, gloves), different skate blades. So you cannot prepare to be hit as regular player. I think the hitting goalie should be monitored in same fashion that are monitored hits player to player.
You need to be a little nuts to be a goalie....I know because I played that position in my youth 🤪