+1 the market is exploding with all kinds of little subtleties in mouse shape, skates and pads people use. This is a great opportunity for rocket jump to become the grandfather of information for pros and aspiring gamers.
I prefer the dav3 shape to all others. I used the superlight before and after switching to the more comfortable (to me) shape of the razer I can't go back. Glad to see more reviews from ya.
@@RocketJumpNinja Hey man, using the DeathAdder V3 Pro Wireless in Fortnite I noticed that there is more delay using it wireless(1000hz regular dongle) vs using it wired USB Type C.
@RamonScott777 really? I'll have to check it out, I didn't notice any. What DPI were you on? And how did you have the dongle plugged in? Was it in the PC directly or with the adapter?
I've had the MZ1wireless for a few months now and it's by far the best mouse I've bought. My rank in Overwatch is pushing into Plat and now solid diamond. Thank you for what you do! You have always been my go to when buying a mouse!
My main buying point is optical switches. It's nice knowing that the switch is going to last longer than every other part of the mouse, never have to worry about double clicking. Right now still using the Viper Mini, hoping they offer a midrange wireless model soon. I highly recommend not running Razer Synapse on your computer.
yh Im currently on Viper v2 pro cos of the optical switch, the shape is not perfect for me and is too flat but after adjusting to it, it's still a very good mouse. I do want to try logitech's offerings but so far they already upgraded to optical switch on a few mice. And what about synapse that make you recommend not running it? I have no issue running it so far.
@@drizzlydr4ke hoping I think i will try to be patient and wait for optical switch upgrade to hopefully come out soon for the g pro, Ive had terrible experiences with logitech's switches.
I cannot wait for the viper v2 review, i might drop a comment how this mouse, despite my struggle with my previous first gaming mouse(the fk1+ coming from a 19/9cm hand player) really made me tame the ambi shape further and managed to improved since then, once the vid drops and good you see you back, Zy, we missed you :)
I just got the DAv3 wired and I gotta say I fell in love with it the moment I put it in my hand and started using it. The mouse shape is PERFECT. I love it to death. You can move this mouse around so easily compared to my last mouse the SS Rival 310. It feels really good going back to the Deathadder. I haven't owned one in a few years. This mouse is built so well. Ohh I am using 1600 dpi...... There is a big latency difference from 800 and you just divide your sens in half.
Can confirm that Zy's size/grip recommendations are accurate. I'm 21.5x11cm and this mouse fits perfectly. I do still prefer ambidextrous over ergo for aiming though. My top shapes are the Vaxee XE wireless, ROG Harpe Ace, Darmoshark M3 for L/XL size. Viper V2 pro as well with the right grips. I have yet to test Zy's rail at my hand size but I think I might have to in the very near future.
@@TinmanFPS I used to play that when I was a kid but can’t anymore for some reason my hand start to hurt like hell. I’m guessing you are a casual player that don’t play very serious or mouse dependent games? I play only apex high elo ranked so it’s very important :/
In your video from January 2021 you stated quake champions runs fine on the 8k viper (1:07 in that old video) yet here you showed there were stutters in quake champions. So QC is unplayable at 8k hz at the time of recording?
Good memory. It's because Quake Champions added raw input since then, so whatever their X input is seems to handle it or just bypass it, while raw input makes it the same as Quake Live and other games with stutters. It's a game engine thing, so whatever games are doing to handle the higher Hz is why some stutter and some don't.
@@RocketJumpNinja ahh very interesting. Thank you for the response. I'm not too knowledgable on the topic but I wonder how Nvidia reflex might affect it. QC did remove the reflex nvidia option from the menu back in October (i'm not sure the reason) but are returning it to the game in the June update (one of the devs stated on reddit). Might be worth testing again then. Thank you for all that you do regardless :)
I was using Glorious Model O for around 3 years, and lately have been getting some wrist pain due to how it is in the middle of being not large enough for me to comfortably grip it in palm, and not small enough for claw/ftip. I was given a Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 at work and noticed that I had much less strain on my wrist with that mouse. After release of DAv3 I've initially liked the shape due to similarity and latest tech. Since grabbing it, I can use it for longer and also have improved my aim since I'm now more comfortable using that mouse and don't think about how I have to grip the mouse all the time. Right now I have something in between of claw and palm - my fingers curl up a bit, but rest of my hand is rested on the back of the mouse. With balanced/speed pad (AC+) I feel like this is the best setup for me rn
I like the v3 but the front is too high for me.. precission Seems to be less with that. But higher button height gives more stability in movement( cleaner and more straighter lines) So something in the middle seems to be perfect for me
Been using DeathAdders since forever. Nice to see them improving and getting on top of the game once again. When my current one finally dies seems like a nice update.
After a long time with the dav3 I can say that I would love for three things to be different: - More forward sensor position (not much just 0,5-0,7cm) - I changed my grip into more of a claw grip, and I keep noticing, that it is hard for me to grip the mouse with my pinky finger. I wish it flared in a bit more likt the older deathadders. - the older lower front of the buttons allowed me for a more secure / snug grip. Yes that encourages people to palm grip, but I found it a lot more comfortable, maybe a middleground would be the way to go.
A crazy thing you could do would be opening the mouse and putting 5% of weight on the back half of it the amount you want the sensor the be further in the front
Deathadder v3 pro with 8k dongle is a beast. Its my favourite mouse and with the smooth touch it sticks to your hand. I changed the skates to tiger ice and its better but original states are good too.
Been my main for a month now and I'm loving it! Been looking for mice that would replace that my existential love for the mx518 and this just about done it.
I bought a dav3 wireless and after maybe around 5 months the shell started to creak and the scroll wheel started skipping steps and scrolling when moving the mouse around. The right click also feels significantly mushier than the left. Disappointing that the build quality still isn't that great.
Interesting, I've been testing these for months now and haven't had any issues ... I'll keep one on my desk though for comparison, so maybe I'll see. Hopefully your experience is a once off, thanks for sharing though!
Disabling CPU C-States in your BIOS will solve the stuttering seen at 7:50 for anyone who owns a 4khz or 8hkz mouse. Your CPU will maybe run a bit hotter and consume a bit more power, but this solved the stuttering in Quake Champions, Apex, everything.
Great review as always. Waiting for the Lamzu atlantis and Pulsar X2 review
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Welcome back! After a generally meh experience with the DV2 Pro (mostly because the price definitely doesn't match the build quality and the synapse experience) I am on the lookout for another wireless ergo mouse without holes that isn't Razer or Glorious (or g502 shape). Hopefully some show up on your channel and site in the future.
Hi, I’ve been using a Mamba Elite for the last few years and it only recently started acting up (random disconnects from the computer at random intervals which interrupt tracking), previously I used the DeathAdder Elite but i much prefer the shape of the Mamba Elite (I find the outward curvature on the deathadder elite, especially on the right side (when looking from top down) to be too aggressive) (I also love the tilt scroll since I play games and do programming too but I know this feature is not really a thing in modern gaming mice). I have rather big hands and prefer a asymmetrical mouse shape. I’ve been looking to get a new mouse to replace my current dying Mamba Elite though I’m not sure what to choose. I’ve heard that the DeathAdder V2 has slightly reduced curvature but I’m not sure how much that is the case and how much closer it is to the Mamba and how this new V3 model compares to it too. I’m also open to other options from other manufacturers. What recommendations/suggestions would you be able to give for my case? Thanks in advance!
The huge $200-300 range for the top end of wireless mice makes them cost prohibitive for a lot of gamers. Could you consider doing a 'budget wireless' roundup video?
@@RocketJumpNinja I am happy to see a new mouse review, I thought I we would never have those from you anymore so it is a great surprise lol. You should already be aware of all of the models going around, but the Pulsar, Lamzu and GWolves mice are all great. As for super budget but still good options, the Darmoshark M3 and the Ajazz 199 are great picks. Both have top sensors and, if you reduce the debouncing time on the software, great performance as well. The Darmoshark has the same shape as the Finalmouse air 58, and although the Ajazz I got looks like the Superlight, is more similar to the viper mini, but with a better and fuller shape in my honest opinion. Both should be avaliable on Ali (although the Ajazz is out of stock atm), and the Darmoshark is on Mechkeys. Darmoshark will release a mini version of the M3, and they are also planning on a mouse that looks similar to the mm710.
My hands are at 17.5cm x 9x5 cm. i’ve been claw/palming my deathadder v2 forever, and the deathadder elite before that. I tried the steelseries rival 650, model O wired, and the razer naga. none of their shapes have called to me since. i’m interested in the v3. i’m very used to larger mice, as you can probably tell, but i’m also very curious about smaller mice due to so many people saying smaller is better. i cant seem to find anything that’s wireless, has updated specs, and is small enough that is sold on US Amazon. (i have a gift card i’d like to use on my next mouse) Any suggestions are highly appreciated. Thank you guys:)
Yeah but ultrawide or 16:9? Because this is 21:9, made for ultrawides. If you watch it on a 21:9 monitor, it'll fill the screen in full screen! But great to hear if it's still looking good on 16:9, I was a bit worried it wouldn't.
@@RocketJumpNinja It does look nice and cinematic on 16:9 but I had to zoom in a bit on some stuff like text (your website, prosettings, razer software part, etc). Maybe you could do some editing magic on small text based stuff.
@@RocketJumpNinja 16:9 ratio my bad. I liked it though looks very cinematic. I also have 27" monitor, but maybe ppl viewing on a smaller, 1080p monitor could have issues. Maybe you can poll this and find out.
i am curious as to why you havent designed a "wide" mouse? like the coolmaster mm720 with width of 7cm or more? i have 20x10 hands and even though this mouse is short it is the WIDTH that makes it feel good in the hand. this is because it fills more of the pouch of your palm therefore reducing the manipulating needed to "grasp" the mouse, reducing fatigue and causing your hand to flare outward by force so no energy is spent on contracting your hand. we need mice with new ergo shapes with 7CM or more width
Great content as always! Could you make something related about sound? I'm curious to see what you use and what you think is important for competitive gaming. Your take is quite unique on everything and I like that a lot.
What do you think about the fingertip mice like the Zaunkoenig M2K and the ones from Gwolves? I don't I ever saw you review or even talk about those? I am tempted to try them out but still unsure.
I've tried and owned many many mice, wierdly enough I aim my best with the dav3 even though I fingertip grip it something about the size and curve lets me control this mouse really good, I was maining the x2 mini before that and even though they weigh the same the weight distribution on the dav3 makes it feel much ligther.
The stuttering in Quake Champions at higher polling rates with raw input enabled is a conundrum to me. I have two PCs one x470 based one x570 and I’ve found that the hitch only happened on the x570 pc. I have tried all the tricks and hints I could read up on to fix it on the x570 none have worked. It happens at 4k polling with a viper v2 pro and a Gwolves 4k as well but stops at 2k. I don’t have any wired mice to test the 8k but I’m sure the issue would persist.
@rocket jump ninja The reaction time test is an incorrect test to use for this case. As the click latency doesn't change with different polling rate. It only affect the sensor delay.
@@RocketJumpNinja You're correct, but as seen in Battlenonsense analysis. V8k's Button delay didn't change with the different polling rate. It only changed the sensor delay. Another mouse behaved like you explained, which was the G203. The G203 button delay changed with the different polling rate setting. So it depends upon the manufacturer to let the button delay be affected by polling rate setting or not. reference: youtu(DOT)be/mwf_F2VboFQ?t=130
Yeah so for the wired mice, the clicks are always polled at 125us intervals. The user setting only affects sensor data. For wireless mice, the sensor and click data are tied together, and are both affected by polling rate (explained by someone at Razer).
Also since you've replied, I've found a fix for "laggy" or "stuttery" high polling rate mice (4000hz+). And am more than happy to share it in the gaming community. it works by assigning a single core for your mouse, and a single core for your GPU. (they shouldn't be assigned to the same core, and not to core 0) By using "microsoft interrupt affinity policy tool" -Find Intel usb controller and set a single core -Find Usb Root Hub and set the same core as usb controller -Find Nvidia gpu and set a single core If using SMT/HT then assign to every even number (0,2,4,6,8) or odd (1,3,5,7). Because core 0 and 1 are actually the same core, but different threads. So you should assign to only one thread, not both. If you need further help we can comment here or through discord "amb6994"
@@RocketJumpNinja hmm, interesting. I guess that makes your point valid. Button latency is currently too good. (But wouldn't be too sure to say the same for sensor latency)
I was excited about the DA V3 non-pro as well, not because of the 8k polling but because of the shape. If there was a DA V3 Mini pro/non-pro, that's probably what I would try next since my main now is a Keris Aimpoint wireless which falls into the small ergo mouse category from my previous Lamzu OG, and I totally agree with RJN when he says going smaller is better. The Pulesfire Haste 2 wired also has 8k polling. I hope RJN reviews that next.
yes, the mamba elite is a very good shape, even better than EC-1, old deathadders e.t.c because the mamba elite has less nuanced curves, more confident slopes. the ec1, DA dont need to be that long in length, the mamba elite proves that by having a better elevating feel that hooks your fingers more therefore not having to flay them out to reach the best click area with finger
I use the wired at 4K hz because of the price, not gonna pay 2x for wireless + dongle. All in all, the wired version comes out on top for me because of the price to performance ratio.
I totally do NOT agree with your "I would rather playing at 60hz than playing on a heavy mouse". I agree it is important but nothing to me is more important than playing at AT LEAST 144hz and fps
I do pretty well on 60hz, hit a lot of mid air rockets. Can't say the same for a 500g mouse. But the point in the video was just about striking a balance of features, not actually choosing, as it's pretty easy to get a light mouse and 240hz monitor these days.
I wonder when Razer is going to update their Orochi. Actually I use V2 now and I think this is the best size and shape for me. By your encouragement I've switched Steelseries Prime Wirless to G305, and then I've tried Orochi V2. I was comparing Orochi vs G305, despite your opnion that Logi has better shape, I've found that Razer suits me more. It feels more stable and confident in my hand than G305. Maybe that's because of my hand ratio - 17:9,5cm, which is more similar to orochi v2 ratio 🤔
I liked the OG DeathAdder because it was the biggest mouse I could find for my large hands so now I'm looking to upgrade to the latest version I'm annoyed to see it looks smaller. Has anyone bought this mouse who could tell me otherwise or can suggest a different mouse for big hands?
Dav3 wireless with 4k here. 1) dont want to go back to 1k. 4k feels fanstastic paired with 240hz monitor 2) im usually a palm gripper, but I go into fingertip gradually and it feels good like its natural 3) I really wish the clicks were a bit quieter. I switch to my superlight at night time just because the clicks are too loud, but they are satisfying. Would of been a perfect mouse for me if the clicks were quieter and lighter just my preference and opinion. 4) 4k drains battery almost a bajillion times faster! Went from charging once a week to charging once maybe every other day. (Heavy usage) maybe can last 3 or more days if not heavy user.
Now having the deathadder even if you don't have pain with the viper it might just be uncomfortable having to grip harder to get more stability on the viper especially with bigger hands, the DAV3 also gives you a more locked stable feeling (using claw grip)
I’m finding this lately. Viper v2 is an amazing mouse but with larger hands it just doesn’t feel comfortable for me. Shape is definitely more important for aim than the latest sensor and tech.
I pulled out my Deathadder V2 because Im starting to feel some discomfort (on HyperX Pulsefire Haste atm). What I couldnt stand and it only now has become a problem is that tge overhang on mouse2 button is where my finger gets stuck in. Looks like it wouldnt be a problem on V3. But I dont want to give Razer my money tbh.
I find myself touching the scroll wheel with my index finger (unintentionally) whenever I'm doing fast movements, or swift vertical movements (like when you're editing in Fortnite) what should I do? My hands are 20x11 at least.
recently started using deathadder v3 pro with standard 1000Hz, with 6400DPI - 0.75 in game sens Overwatch 2 and 3/11 windows mouse speed (it equals to 0.25x which is 1600 and only affects cursor movement and not raw input for games that use raw input, so i can use the equivalent of 1600DPI for desktop use and Overwatch 2 in game cursor), it feels super smooth and responsive, amazing ergo mouse
I had problems with razor mouse. I had the Razer mini's and it stop working. I bought another one because it took 4 weeks for a replacement, So I end up with two of them. Then I started to get cramps the death header version two special edition, But I had to pronounce that. Where I rest my thumb on the rubber side grip got pushed in and made a round crater, like my thumb melted an Indent on it. Then the second part I don't like is the switches we're hard to push down the click, so my finger started to hurt. So I ended up getting the wired Logitech G502X but Their switches have an annoying sound click to it. I don't like their shiny buttons.
I noticed on your website that Final mouse isn't on the list anymore, is there any reason for this? I remember the starlight series were rank 1 but I can't seem to find it anymore.
6. Availability - Must be available for purchase new or back-ordered Buying off scalpers or randoms isn't considered "Available". They'll get back on there right up top with their new mouse I'm sure! Don't know when it's releasing.
I really want to try the 4000hz 8000hz this but being left handed sucks as i hate that the buttons are at my pinky finger and ring finger. I like to be able to hit it with my thumb
I really like the starlight 12 but it is just a bit too small for my hand size. Does anyone have any suggestions on like grip tape or anywhere I can find something similar to the infinity skins to add just a bit to the shape? Thank you! Love the review Zy and very glad you are back
Been using the DA for the majority of my gaming life, the same shape is just awesome for me, the V2 was ~30EUR in a gaming shop, so I snagged 2 and I'm all set.
I been running both Viper 8khz wired and DAV3 Wired and i definitely aim better and more accurately on the Viper. DAV3 is my backup now, but the Viper just has a better accuracy to me, i think its because my hand being flat vs angled gives me better reaction accuracy instead of being angled slightly, but idk. All i know is im nasty with the Viper. Razer just keeps winning regardless
I seriously used to love razer products, their ergos are honestly pretty top. The only beef i have with them as a company is the longevity of their products. I have broken basically every razer product i have owned within a year of buying it. Had a zowie ec2-a for over a decade, thing is still going strong, gonna retire it and put it in a display cabinet soon :p
I wish I liked this thing, but I couldn’t get a good grip on it. I bought this alongside a viper v2 with the plan to pick one and return the other. Because I was a palm gripper I thought I’d pick this no problem. Plus, I had hand pains with the viper at first. But after a while I realized I couldn’t get a decent grip on it. It always felt like it was gonna slip out 9f my hand. And the more I went back to the viper, the more I liked that, and my grip style changed to suit it. The hand pains went away too. This, plus me getting the viper for around $50 off led to me picking that instead. And now I‘ve basically been forced into a claw grip lol. It’s pretty comfortable and I’m happy with it, but I always think about what could have been, considering this was the better mouse for me on paper.
been a while, hope your doin great and, i'd rlly love if u stress more on what best shape (theories) u have cuz i have been struggling and i cant find my shape
The grip with is now incorrect, bc it is 6.3 cm wide. Proof: This mouse also shown in Techne - NEW Razer DeathAdder V3 HyperSpeed Review at 2:10. Means it is the perfect mouse for 21/11 or 20.5/10.5 hand size bc the length and width numbers are the closest to 60%. Improvements compare to older DA V2: Better button push force (the V2 was too light caused unwanted clicks.) Mouse now has wall on the right side instead just the buttons which was EZ to do unwanted clicks on V2. "Comfort" grooves was too deep on V2 forced middle finger to a position, now this is safer. Higher side buttons are very much welcome means more place for thumb. The back side button could be 1-2 mm higher, but acceptable. The too low side buttons on V2 was unuseable for big hands which the mouse originally made for. Razer improved in buid quality. The wired version better, bc no unhealthy RF Radiation.
Bro can you make a grip style video? I do not know how to grip a mouse properly I just make my palm rest on it Don't know to do flicks :( or anything Also I do not know to make my wrist stick to the mousepad all the time I keep moving
Recently, i picked up a corsair sabre rgb pro because I wanted to try out a higher polling mouse. Only cost like 35 dollars on amazon. Even though im only on 165hz, I could tell it was definitely smoother than my current 1k polling cooler master MM712. But even then, I still prefer my MM712. The shape and the coating means more to me than even having a more accurate/faster sensor. I guess consistency and comfort is more important to the pros than the latest and greatest tech.
I have the DAV3 Pro and love it, but the scrollwheel is jumping pretty often for me and i read that more people have that problem. So beware of that if you are thinking of buying. Love the review btw!
Well I guess you don't know until you have the mouse. It started pretty quick for me after I got the mouse. It is starting to annoy me to the point that i'm thinking to RMA the mouse. Maybe you don't have the issue. I hope for you that's the case! good Luck!
been using the death adder v3 pro and this mouse is honestly the best mouse ive ever used, took a bit to get used to the lightweightness of it but once i got the hang of it and adjusted my sensitivity in overwatch, ive been dominating
The shape is so close to a perfect ergo but I just absolutely despise the front right side. The ring finger ledge feels like it cuts off way too early (I have never had a mouse feel like it's just missing over an entire cm for a finger before), it's not rounded or wide enough, and the flare somehow seems more intense than the V2 in my hand despite clearly being more recessed. But I'm a picky 403 user who literally only likes the Makalu 67 and MM712 lol
I have a Logitech G402 and need a new mouse as my side button is faulty and when i play games the mouse sensor feels slow or laggy so will the Razer deathAdder v3 wired be better on the speed with the sensor movement. I did bought the same logitech mouse on ebay thinking it will be fine but the sensor just feels slower even though it the same make mouse G402 so it must be a manufacturer problem that if your lucky you get a good mouse on the sensor.
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I miss the unique review style you have. Please do more mouse reviews
+1 the market is exploding with all kinds of little subtleties in mouse shape, skates and pads people use.
This is a great opportunity for rocket jump to become the grandfather of information for pros and aspiring gamers.
It's expensive to buy mouses and do reviews on it usually reviewers wait to get sponsored by them to get the mouse from them.
Yes please come back. Your level of detail is unmatched.
@@Hipqp hausgaming is my go to review channel nowadays
I prefer the dav3 shape to all others. I used the superlight before and after switching to the more comfortable (to me) shape of the razer I can't go back. Glad to see more reviews from ya.
That's cool, what's your hand size and grip style?
@@RocketJumpNinja Palm medium size.
For me ir is viper v2 pro all the way
Tho if viper signature was available here i would really like that
@@RocketJumpNinja Hey man, using the DeathAdder V3 Pro Wireless in Fortnite I noticed that there is more delay using it wireless(1000hz regular dongle) vs using it wired USB Type C.
@RamonScott777 really? I'll have to check it out, I didn't notice any. What DPI were you on? And how did you have the dongle plugged in? Was it in the PC directly or with the adapter?
I've had the MZ1wireless for a few months now and it's by far the best mouse I've bought. My rank in Overwatch is pushing into Plat and now solid diamond. Thank you for what you do! You have always been my go to when buying a mouse!
My main buying point is optical switches. It's nice knowing that the switch is going to last longer than every other part of the mouse, never have to worry about double clicking. Right now still using the Viper Mini, hoping they offer a midrange wireless model soon. I highly recommend not running Razer Synapse on your computer.
yh Im currently on Viper v2 pro cos of the optical switch, the shape is not perfect for me and is too flat but after adjusting to it, it's still a very good mouse. I do want to try logitech's offerings but so far they already upgraded to optical switch on a few mice. And what about synapse that make you recommend not running it? I have no issue running it so far.
@@puntybrah same never had any issues with synapse and I had several razer mice (abyssus, viper mini , viper v2 pro now)
IDK, Razer synapse is running well for me, I have Deathadder V3 Pro with hyper polling dongle.
@@puntybrah I had the same issues with the Viper shape and the G pro X fixed that for me, give it a try
@@drizzlydr4ke hoping I think i will try to be patient and wait for optical switch upgrade to hopefully come out soon for the g pro, Ive had terrible experiences with logitech's switches.
YES FINALLY I MISSED YOU SO MUCH!
I cannot wait for the viper v2 review, i might drop a comment how this mouse, despite my struggle with my previous first gaming mouse(the fk1+ coming from a 19/9cm hand player) really made me tame the ambi shape further and managed to improved since then, once the vid drops
and good you see you back, Zy, we missed you :)
Man how much we have missed you!
No one does it like Zy, welcome back
I just got the DAv3 wired and I gotta say I fell in love with it the moment I put it in my hand and started using it. The mouse shape is PERFECT. I love it to death. You can move this mouse around so easily compared to my last mouse the SS Rival 310. It feels really good going back to the Deathadder. I haven't owned one in a few years. This mouse is built so well. Ohh I am using 1600 dpi...... There is a big latency difference from 800 and you just divide your sens in half.
I missed these reviews. Hopefully we get one for the ULX. Either way, wonderful video as always.
As always thanks for the detailed review!
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Can confirm that Zy's size/grip recommendations are accurate. I'm 21.5x11cm and this mouse fits perfectly. I do still prefer ambidextrous over ergo for aiming though. My top shapes are the Vaxee XE wireless, ROG Harpe Ace, Darmoshark M3 for L/XL size. Viper V2 pro as well with the right grips. I have yet to test Zy's rail at my hand size but I think I might have to in the very near future.
What grip? I have 20x11,5 and can only fingertip grip it.
@@dopetruck8382 Hybrid Claw Fingertip, most refer as "Knuckle claw".
@@TinmanFPS I used to play that when I was a kid but can’t anymore for some reason my hand start to hurt like hell. I’m guessing you are a casual player that don’t play very serious or mouse dependent games? I play only apex high elo ranked so it’s very important :/
@@dopetruck8382 I still use this grip as an Apex Master level player.
@@TinmanFPS cool guess My hand is weird
In your video from January 2021 you stated quake champions runs fine on the 8k viper (1:07 in that old video) yet here you showed there were stutters in quake champions. So QC is unplayable at 8k hz at the time of recording?
Good memory. It's because Quake Champions added raw input since then, so whatever their X input is seems to handle it or just bypass it, while raw input makes it the same as Quake Live and other games with stutters. It's a game engine thing, so whatever games are doing to handle the higher Hz is why some stutter and some don't.
@@RocketJumpNinja ahh very interesting. Thank you for the response. I'm not too knowledgable on the topic but I wonder how Nvidia reflex might affect it. QC did remove the reflex nvidia option from the menu back in October (i'm not sure the reason) but are returning it to the game in the June update (one of the devs stated on reddit). Might be worth testing again then. Thank you for all that you do regardless :)
I was using Glorious Model O for around 3 years, and lately have been getting some wrist pain due to how it is in the middle of being not large enough for me to comfortably grip it in palm, and not small enough for claw/ftip. I was given a Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 at work and noticed that I had much less strain on my wrist with that mouse. After release of DAv3 I've initially liked the shape due to similarity and latest tech. Since grabbing it, I can use it for longer and also have improved my aim since I'm now more comfortable using that mouse and don't think about how I have to grip the mouse all the time. Right now I have something in between of claw and palm - my fingers curl up a bit, but rest of my hand is rested on the back of the mouse. With balanced/speed pad (AC+) I feel like this is the best setup for me rn
Its called hybrid grip for future reference
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I like the v3 but the front is too high for me.. precission
Seems to be less with that.
But higher button height gives more stability in movement( cleaner and more straighter lines)
So something in the middle seems to be perfect for me
still the king of mice reviews!
Been using DeathAdders since forever. Nice to see them improving and getting on top of the game once again. When my current one finally dies seems like a nice update.
After a long time with the dav3 I can say that I would love for three things to be different:
- More forward sensor position (not much just 0,5-0,7cm)
- I changed my grip into more of a claw grip, and I keep noticing, that it is hard for me to grip the mouse with my pinky finger. I wish it flared in a bit more likt the older deathadders.
- the older lower front of the buttons allowed me for a more secure / snug grip. Yes that encourages people to palm grip, but I found it a lot more comfortable, maybe a middleground would be the way to go.
A crazy thing you could do would be opening the mouse and putting 5% of weight on the back half of it the amount you want the sensor the be further in the front
Deathadder v3 pro with 8k dongle is a beast. Its my favourite mouse and with the smooth touch it sticks to your hand.
I changed the skates to tiger ice and its better but original states are good too.
much needed video honestly
Keep em comin Zy. Missed ya bud hope all is well.
Nice review man, now this is true RJN content!
Been my main for a month now and I'm loving it! Been looking for mice that would replace that my existential love for the mx518 and this just about done it.
I really do wish they would bring a left handed deathadder back with the shape of the new V3 pro. Would love to try it out
I bought a dav3 wireless and after maybe around 5 months the shell started to creak and the scroll wheel started skipping steps and scrolling when moving the mouse around. The right click also feels significantly mushier than the left. Disappointing that the build quality still isn't that great.
Interesting, I've been testing these for months now and haven't had any issues ... I'll keep one on my desk though for comparison, so maybe I'll see. Hopefully your experience is a once off, thanks for sharing though!
every single mouse, I need to change the switch myself, or it’s me with my hard gaming pressure.
@@RocketJumpNinja I hope it's just a once off because the shape is almost perfect and the sensor and wireless is great.
your still in warranty you should submit it
Disabling CPU C-States in your BIOS will solve the stuttering seen at 7:50 for anyone who owns a 4khz or 8hkz mouse. Your CPU will maybe run a bit hotter and consume a bit more power, but this solved the stuttering in Quake Champions, Apex, everything.
it helps but equally important is the windows ultimate power plan + Nvidia "Prefer maximum performance"
I would like to see a video about the "lower vs. higher dpi" you touched on during the review sometime. Speaking of, it's very good as always.
Maybe have a look at the Haste 2 next if you can, Zy.
And by the way, welcome back king!
Will do and thanks!
Great review as always. Waiting for the Lamzu atlantis and Pulsar X2 review
Welcome back! After a generally meh experience with the DV2 Pro (mostly because the price definitely doesn't match the build quality and the synapse experience) I am on the lookout for another wireless ergo mouse without holes that isn't Razer or Glorious (or g502 shape). Hopefully some show up on your channel and site in the future.
Hi, I’ve been using a Mamba Elite for the last few years and it only recently started acting up (random disconnects from the computer at random intervals which interrupt tracking), previously I used the DeathAdder Elite but i much prefer the shape of the Mamba Elite (I find the outward curvature on the deathadder elite, especially on the right side (when looking from top down) to be too aggressive) (I also love the tilt scroll since I play games and do programming too but I know this feature is not really a thing in modern gaming mice). I have rather big hands and prefer a asymmetrical mouse shape. I’ve been looking to get a new mouse to replace my current dying Mamba Elite though I’m not sure what to choose. I’ve heard that the DeathAdder V2 has slightly reduced curvature but I’m not sure how much that is the case and how much closer it is to the Mamba and how this new V3 model compares to it too. I’m also open to other options from other manufacturers. What recommendations/suggestions would you be able to give for my case? Thanks in advance!
I have the DAV3 pro, DAV2 pro and Mamba Elite and I still prefer the Mamba. I haven't found any mouse that's as comfortable as the Mamba. It sucks.
waiting so long for this review
The huge $200-300 range for the top end of wireless mice makes them cost prohibitive for a lot of gamers. Could you consider doing a 'budget wireless' roundup video?
Once I get familiar with all the latest mice, yeah I'll see what I can do!
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@@RocketJumpNinja I am happy to see a new mouse review, I thought I we would never have those from you anymore so it is a great surprise lol.
You should already be aware of all of the models going around, but the Pulsar, Lamzu and GWolves mice are all great.
As for super budget but still good options, the Darmoshark M3 and the Ajazz 199 are great picks. Both have top sensors and, if you reduce the debouncing time on the software, great performance as well. The Darmoshark has the same shape as the Finalmouse air 58, and although the Ajazz I got looks like the Superlight, is more similar to the viper mini, but with a better and fuller shape in my honest opinion. Both should be avaliable on Ali (although the Ajazz is out of stock atm), and the Darmoshark is on Mechkeys. Darmoshark will release a mini version of the M3, and they are also planning on a mouse that looks similar to the mm710.
My hands are at 17.5cm x 9x5 cm. i’ve been claw/palming my deathadder v2 forever, and the deathadder elite before that. I tried the steelseries rival 650, model O wired, and the razer naga. none of their shapes have called to me since.
i’m interested in the v3. i’m very used to larger mice, as you can probably tell, but i’m also very curious about smaller mice due to so many people saying smaller is better.
i cant seem to find anything that’s wireless, has updated specs, and is small enough that is sold on US Amazon. (i have a gift card i’d like to use on my next mouse)
Any suggestions are highly appreciated. Thank you guys:)
Whatever aspect ratio you used to record this I love it. Looks awesome in theater mode.
Great to hear, what resolution are you on?
@@RocketJumpNinja 1440p and that's what I watched it in.
Yeah but ultrawide or 16:9? Because this is 21:9, made for ultrawides. If you watch it on a 21:9 monitor, it'll fill the screen in full screen! But great to hear if it's still looking good on 16:9, I was a bit worried it wouldn't.
@@RocketJumpNinja It does look nice and cinematic on 16:9 but I had to zoom in a bit on some stuff like text (your website, prosettings, razer software part, etc). Maybe you could do some editing magic on small text based stuff.
@@RocketJumpNinja 16:9 ratio my bad. I liked it though looks very cinematic. I also have 27" monitor, but maybe ppl viewing on a smaller, 1080p monitor could have issues. Maybe you can poll this and find out.
The legendary zy returns!?
More from Zy
any plans to test the VAXEE XE WIRELESS?
i am curious as to why you havent designed a "wide" mouse? like the coolmaster mm720 with width of 7cm or more? i have 20x10 hands and even though this mouse is short it is the WIDTH that makes it feel good in the hand. this is because it fills more of the pouch of your palm therefore reducing the manipulating needed to "grasp" the mouse, reducing fatigue and causing your hand to flare outward by force so no energy is spent on contracting your hand. we need mice with new ergo shapes with 7CM or more width
Great content as always! Could you make something related about sound? I'm curious to see what you use and what you think is important for competitive gaming. Your take is quite unique on everything and I like that a lot.
Return of the king.
great video! razer deathadder v3 is great! btw, r you gonna post a review on the finalmouse ultralight X mouse any time soon?
In the beginning which is the v3 right or left?
What do you think about the fingertip mice like the Zaunkoenig M2K and the ones from Gwolves? I don't I ever saw you review or even talk about those? I am tempted to try them out but still unsure.
I've tried and owned many many mice, wierdly enough I aim my best with the dav3 even though I fingertip grip it
something about the size and curve lets me control this mouse really good, I was maining the x2 mini before that and even though they weigh the same the weight distribution on the dav3 makes it feel much ligther.
The stuttering in Quake Champions at higher polling rates with raw input enabled is a conundrum to me. I have two PCs one x470 based one x570 and I’ve found that the hitch only happened on the x570 pc. I have tried all the tricks and hints I could read up on to fix it on the x570 none have worked. It happens at 4k polling with a viper v2 pro and a Gwolves 4k as well but stops at 2k. I don’t have any wired mice to test the 8k but I’m sure the issue would persist.
@rocket jump ninja
The reaction time test is an incorrect test to use for this case. As the click latency doesn't change with different polling rate. It only affect the sensor delay.
Polling rate is the mouse communicating with the PC, so yeah it actually does help click latency too.
@@RocketJumpNinja You're correct, but as seen in Battlenonsense analysis. V8k's Button delay didn't change with the different polling rate. It only changed the sensor delay.
Another mouse behaved like you explained, which was the G203. The G203 button delay changed with the different polling rate setting.
So it depends upon the manufacturer to let the button delay be affected by polling rate setting or not.
reference: youtu(DOT)be/mwf_F2VboFQ?t=130
Yeah so for the wired mice, the clicks are always polled at 125us intervals. The user setting only affects sensor data. For wireless mice, the sensor and click data are tied together, and are both affected by polling rate (explained by someone at Razer).
Also since you've replied, I've found a fix for "laggy" or "stuttery" high polling rate mice (4000hz+). And am more than happy to share it in the gaming community.
it works by assigning a single core for your mouse, and a single core for your GPU. (they shouldn't be assigned to the same core, and not to core 0)
By using "microsoft interrupt affinity policy tool"
-Find Intel usb controller and set a single core
-Find Usb Root Hub and set the same core as usb controller
-Find Nvidia gpu and set a single core
If using SMT/HT then assign to every even number (0,2,4,6,8) or odd (1,3,5,7). Because core 0 and 1 are actually the same core, but different threads. So you should assign to only one thread, not both.
If you need further help we can comment here or through discord "amb6994"
@@RocketJumpNinja hmm, interesting. I guess that makes your point valid. Button latency is currently too good.
(But wouldn't be too sure to say the same for sensor latency)
I was excited about the DA V3 non-pro as well, not because of the 8k polling but because of the shape. If there was a DA V3 Mini pro/non-pro, that's probably what I would try next since my main now is a Keris Aimpoint wireless which falls into the small ergo mouse category from my previous Lamzu OG, and I totally agree with RJN when he says going smaller is better.
The Pulesfire Haste 2 wired also has 8k polling. I hope RJN reviews that next.
Testing the wireless, should be getting the wired soon, so not next, but yes working on it!
Heck yeaaaaaaah
I wish razer will make a dav3 mini wired 8khz
yes, the mamba elite is a very good shape, even better than EC-1, old deathadders e.t.c because the mamba elite has less nuanced curves, more confident slopes. the ec1, DA dont need to be that long in length, the mamba elite proves that by having a better elevating feel that hooks your fingers more therefore not having to flay them out to reach the best click area with finger
I use the wired at 4K hz because of the price, not gonna pay 2x for wireless + dongle. All in all, the wired version comes out on top for me because of the price to performance ratio.
I hope razer will make a dav3 mini wired 8khz
does the pro have the same shape as the normal one
I totally do NOT agree with your "I would rather playing at 60hz than playing on a heavy mouse". I agree it is important but nothing to me is more important than playing at AT LEAST 144hz and fps
I do pretty well on 60hz, hit a lot of mid air rockets. Can't say the same for a 500g mouse. But the point in the video was just about striking a balance of features, not actually choosing, as it's pretty easy to get a light mouse and 240hz monitor these days.
What about the feel of 1-3-1 vs 1-2-2 grip?
PS. What the pros use might might be skewed due to sponsors.
the king....has returned!!!
I wonder when Razer is going to update their Orochi. Actually I use V2 now and I think this is the best size and shape for me. By your encouragement I've switched Steelseries Prime Wirless to G305, and then I've tried Orochi V2. I was comparing Orochi vs G305, despite your opnion that Logi has better shape, I've found that Razer suits me more. It feels more stable and confident in my hand than G305. Maybe that's because of my hand ratio - 17:9,5cm, which is more similar to orochi v2 ratio 🤔
good to see razer adapt to the market needs, without needing holes or led gimmicks
Awesome video and explanation 🔥Still loving the MZ1 wireless by the way! Would be great if an updated version was to be released down the line
would you choose the new wireless zowie ECs over the deathadder? I'm loving the DAV3 but I'm tempted to buy the ECW and compare.
This a long shot, but have you tried the new Vaxee Xe?
I liked the OG DeathAdder because it was the biggest mouse I could find for my large hands so now I'm looking to upgrade to the latest version I'm annoyed to see it looks smaller.
Has anyone bought this mouse who could tell me otherwise or can suggest a different mouse for big hands?
Dav3 wireless with 4k here. 1) dont want to go back to 1k. 4k feels fanstastic paired with 240hz monitor 2) im usually a palm gripper, but I go into fingertip gradually and it feels good like its natural 3) I really wish the clicks were a bit quieter. I switch to my superlight at night time just because the clicks are too loud, but they are satisfying. Would of been a perfect mouse for me if the clicks were quieter and lighter just my preference and opinion. 4) 4k drains battery almost a bajillion times faster! Went from charging once a week to charging once maybe every other day. (Heavy usage) maybe can last 3 or more days if not heavy user.
Now having the deathadder even if you don't have pain with the viper it might just be uncomfortable having to grip harder to get more stability on the viper especially with bigger hands, the DAV3 also gives you a more locked stable feeling (using claw grip)
I’m finding this lately. Viper v2 is an amazing mouse but with larger hands it just doesn’t feel comfortable for me.
Shape is definitely more important for aim than the latest sensor and tech.
will you be doing a viper ultimate v2 review?
I pulled out my Deathadder V2 because Im starting to feel some discomfort (on HyperX Pulsefire Haste atm). What I couldnt stand and it only now has become a problem is that tge overhang on mouse2 button is where my finger gets stuck in. Looks like it wouldnt be a problem on V3. But I dont want to give Razer my money tbh.
the king is back 👑
I find myself touching the scroll wheel with my index finger (unintentionally) whenever I'm doing fast movements, or swift vertical movements (like when you're editing in Fortnite) what should I do? My hands are 20x11 at least.
recently started using deathadder v3 pro with standard 1000Hz, with 6400DPI - 0.75 in game sens Overwatch 2 and 3/11 windows mouse speed (it equals to 0.25x which is 1600 and only affects cursor movement and not raw input for games that use raw input, so i can use the equivalent of 1600DPI for desktop use and Overwatch 2 in game cursor), it feels super smooth and responsive, amazing ergo mouse
I had problems with razor mouse. I had the Razer mini's and it stop working. I bought another one because it took 4 weeks for a replacement, So I end up with two of them. Then I started to get cramps the death header version two special edition, But I had to pronounce that. Where I rest my thumb on the rubber side grip got pushed in and made a round crater, like my thumb melted an Indent on it. Then the second part I don't like is the switches we're hard to push down the click, so my finger started to hurt. So I ended up getting the wired Logitech G502X but Their switches have an annoying sound click to it. I don't like their shiny buttons.
My hands are 19X10 cm...Can I get used to Viper Mini if I use Hybrid Grip (Relaxed Claw + Palm) ??? Or is it too small??? Coming from G203.
I noticed on your website that Final mouse isn't on the list anymore, is there any reason for this? I remember the starlight series were rank 1 but I can't seem to find it anymore.
6. Availability - Must be available for purchase new or back-ordered
Buying off scalpers or randoms isn't considered "Available". They'll get back on there right up top with their new mouse I'm sure! Don't know when it's releasing.
I really want to try the 4000hz 8000hz this but being left handed sucks as i hate that the buttons are at my pinky finger and ring finger. I like to be able to hit it with my thumb
I really like the starlight 12 but it is just a bit too small for my hand size. Does anyone have any suggestions on like grip tape or anywhere I can find something similar to the infinity skins to add just a bit to the shape? Thank you! Love the review Zy and very glad you are back
I’m having a hard time pairing my 4K hyper polling dongle to my razor death adder V3 pro everything is up-to-date
Been using the DA for the majority of my gaming life, the same shape is just awesome for me, the V2 was ~30EUR in a gaming shop, so I snagged 2 and I'm all set.
@unholydonuts V2 costs the same because it is always out of stack xd
I been running both Viper 8khz wired and DAV3 Wired and i definitely aim better and more accurately on the Viper. DAV3 is my backup now, but the Viper just has a better accuracy to me, i think its because my hand being flat vs angled gives me better reaction accuracy instead of being angled slightly, but idk. All i know is im nasty with the Viper. Razer just keeps winning regardless
LOL I have the same experience, can't use my DAV3 wired because I aim better with a viper
I seriously used to love razer products, their ergos are honestly pretty top. The only beef i have with them as a company is the longevity of their products. I have broken basically every razer product i have owned within a year of buying it. Had a zowie ec2-a for over a decade, thing is still going strong, gonna retire it and put it in a display cabinet soon :p
I wish I liked this thing, but I couldn’t get a good grip on it. I bought this alongside a viper v2 with the plan to pick one and return the other. Because I was a palm gripper I thought I’d pick this no problem. Plus, I had hand pains with the viper at first. But after a while I realized I couldn’t get a decent grip on it. It always felt like it was gonna slip out 9f my hand. And the more I went back to the viper, the more I liked that, and my grip style changed to suit it. The hand pains went away too. This, plus me getting the viper for around $50 off led to me picking that instead. And now I‘ve basically been forced into a claw grip lol. It’s pretty comfortable and I’m happy with it, but I always think about what could have been, considering this was the better mouse for me on paper.
I heard there are issues with Ryzen 5000 and 8000hz and 4000hz, such as frame drops and skips
been a while, hope your doin great and, i'd rlly love if u stress more on what best shape (theories) u have
cuz i have been struggling and i cant find my shape
I currently have a 3 year old razer deathadder v2, and I want to buy either the DA v2 pro or the DA v3 wired. Which one should I get?
Have u tried the Viper signature edition or Pulsar X2?
Would it be a good option for a relaxed Claw grip. My hand size is 19x10.5cm
The grip with is now incorrect, bc it is 6.3 cm wide. Proof: This mouse also shown in Techne - NEW Razer DeathAdder V3 HyperSpeed Review at 2:10. Means it is the perfect mouse for 21/11 or 20.5/10.5 hand size bc the length and width numbers are the closest to 60%. Improvements compare to older DA V2: Better button push force (the V2 was too light caused unwanted clicks.) Mouse now has wall on the right side instead just the buttons which was EZ to do unwanted clicks on V2. "Comfort" grooves was too deep on V2 forced middle finger to a position, now this is safer. Higher side buttons are very much welcome means more place for thumb. The back side button could be 1-2 mm higher, but acceptable. The too low side buttons on V2 was unuseable for big hands which the mouse originally made for. Razer improved in buid quality. The wired version better, bc no unhealthy RF Radiation.
can u do a review on the Xtrfy m8 wireless? it looks oddly comfy
Hey @RocketJumpNinja is there solution for Razer 8K Stutters in CSGo ?
thx 🙏
Could you review the LENOVO Legion M600s Qi?
Bro can you make a grip style video?
I do not know how to grip a mouse properly I just make my palm rest on it
Don't know to do flicks :( or anything
Also I do not know to make my wrist stick to the mousepad all the time I keep moving
Tried these yet?
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ruclips.net/video/7Fl9XG-nxBA/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/6gYVGUBOsvA/видео.html
Can you do a wireless EC2 review please? I heard bad things about Zowie‘s wireless models
Yeah I'll have to check them out once they're available!
not having 8 buttons deal breaker for me. Did they fix the mouse scroll jitter with da3?
or make it more durable so?
wow great review... i miss the old rjn, you know... the controversial one :)
i got big hands and wanted a solid light mouse for palm grip I assume this fits that ?
got deathadder essential, dont like it because of the scroll which sometimes gliches and the left click button which is broken after 1 year of use!
Recently, i picked up a corsair sabre rgb pro because I wanted to try out a higher polling mouse. Only cost like 35 dollars on amazon. Even though im only on 165hz, I could tell it was definitely smoother than my current 1k polling cooler master MM712. But even then, I still prefer my MM712. The shape and the coating means more to me than even having a more accurate/faster sensor. I guess consistency and comfort is more important to the pros than the latest and greatest tech.
I have the DAV3 Pro and love it, but the scrollwheel is jumping pretty often for me and i read that more people have that problem. So beware of that if you are thinking of buying. Love the review btw!
i just ordered the DAV3 Pro, wdym by scrollwheel jumping? should i be worried?
Well I guess you don't know until you have the mouse. It started pretty quick for me after I got the mouse. It is starting to annoy me to the point that i'm thinking to RMA the mouse. Maybe you don't have the issue. I hope for you that's the case! good Luck!
been using the death adder v3 pro and this mouse is honestly the best mouse ive ever used, took a bit to get used to the lightweightness of it but once i got the hang of it and adjusted my sensitivity in overwatch, ive been dominating
basically its a deathadder just like upgraded version
@@Khinh-xq6lx not to sound sarcastic, but thats literally it like its a new installment
Hi!
I want dae3 wired for a palm grip, its ok for 17.5 cm with 9 cm? In the video is almost the same size of hand and looks ok for palm.
Thanks!!!
The shape is so close to a perfect ergo but I just absolutely despise the front right side. The ring finger ledge feels like it cuts off way too early (I have never had a mouse feel like it's just missing over an entire cm for a finger before), it's not rounded or wide enough, and the flare somehow seems more intense than the V2 in my hand despite clearly being more recessed. But I'm a picky 403 user who literally only likes the Makalu 67 and MM712 lol
I have a Logitech G402 and need a new mouse as my side button is faulty and when i play games the mouse sensor feels slow or laggy so will the Razer deathAdder v3 wired be better on the speed with the sensor movement. I did bought the same logitech mouse on ebay thinking it will be fine but the sensor just feels slower even though it the same make mouse G402 so it must be a manufacturer problem that if your lucky you get a good mouse on the sensor.
I have really big hands and fingers. I need all the hump, to not touch the pad on both sides all the time.