The thing is, sonic has so many unique forms and characters to refference. But they took none of it. Like Darkspine, Werehog, Super, Excalibur, Hyper, Classic as just a few examples.
@@Cartoony444 What's really criminal is, Sonic hasn't had any new SSB music remixes sense Jun Senoue's Angel Island remix in Brawl. (Literally every other Sonic song is taken directly from numerous Sonic games) In "Ultimate" Jun Senoue even contributed a new Megaman remix oddly, (a series that already has many remixes) yet didn't make one for Sonic, despite the fact he never worked on a Megaman game and only worked on Sonic games music. So even Sonic's own music creator snubbed him in Smash. Honestly, the Sonic series is probably the most screwed over series in Smash... Aside from having 2 stages in "Ultimate," and a new assist trophy character. (Knuckles, though the fact he has a homing attack makes his character seem unresearched.)
Let’s go over the costumes for clarification: The original blue The blue one The blue one The blue one The black but still blue The blue one The blue one The blue one Edit: I’m sorry that I got the order wrong, please ignore that
I will admit that the cuffs being different is a nice touch but MAN these colors are so lame, if they just went all out with the different colors based on other characters from the series instead of these, it would've been a LOT better. Hell, imagine if the black costume was more like the 2P color in Sonic the Fighters, since it's obviously based on old black and white cartoons (Sonic himself was modeled after those, like Felix the Cat), it would've looked so cool next to Sora's Timeless River alt.!
Pretty sure all but one of the Player 2 costumes (or Mirror Match alts, as I've also seen them called) are black and white. The one exception being Honey the Cat, whose hair turns blonde and dress blue. I think her main fur color changes too, but I don't remember off the top of my head. Also, as a side note, pretty sure that these alt colors in Sonic the Fighters are only ever seen in Mirror Matches.
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@@yasmineh.1333thats very much not true given how often they make him other colors. In Sonic COLORS they make him different colors not only for the power ups but also the GameLand mode where he comes in pink, green, red, and black besides a darker blue
I’m convinced Sakurai’s love for the Sonic series is the music, he gave Sonic 2 spin dashes and very basic moveset when he could’ve worked with a lot of Sonic titles including Sonic BATTLE
The oddest change to Sonic's Orange alt is it was originally red in Brawl. Smash 4 changed the color to orange and in Smash Ultimate the fur color Sonic had for both Orange and Red were swapped for some unexplained reason. Another interesting tidbit is related to Sonic's body color in both the Red and Green alts in Brawl. For one reason or another those two alts in Smash 4 onwards made Sonic's fur *brighter* compared to Brawl with the Red alt turning Sonic's fur a shade of purple (which would later be swapped with the green alt as previously mentioned) rather than the darker blue it originally had which made Sonic look like some of his older artwork. For some bizarre reason there have been two moments in Sonic's history as a playable character in Smash Bros where he just isn't allowed to have alts that have a nearly identical fur color to another alt.
I have a theory that they changed that costume to reference the series more, as the orange shoes sort of match his design in the 8-bit games, where he had orange instead of red shoes
Why couldn't they just add silver and shadow as models.... They didn't even need to float or anything literally just added the models man... GOD WHY DID THEY DO SONIC SO DIRTY
@@FungusFindersBeware With Bowser Jr it makes sense because he's small and in a mech, not so much with Sonic. Not only is Sonic smiling but he says lines like (Sonic Speed) and( we should do this again some time). I can't imagine Shadow and Sliver saying stuff like that it would feel out of character. Also Shadow doesn't run, he floats with his hover shoes.
We COULD’VE had more colorful and aacurate colors for Sonic, BUT SEGA probably had a mandate for Sonic to not drastically change his color for his costume for some reason. I would’ve loved to see an orange recolor with blue eyes to reference Tails, or a proper black recolor with red lines running down Sonic’s quills with rings near his hands and feet to properly reference Shadow.
I have a strong feeling the dark sonic skin is a reference to dark sonic from sonic x i mean if you think of it this could be that 1st state of the dark power up
The last two costumes are mad specific and niche, like the hand that appears in the Sonic 2 special stage? They couldn’t make a costume that references Tails or Knuckles but they could make costumes that reference the hands from the Sonic 2 special stage
Introducing the echo fighter system was a perfect place to introduce shadow, silver, Amy, knuckles, etc. I mean they all do spin attacks and run fast so it wouldn’t have been that weird
Shadow would've been the ULTIMATE Echo Fighter. Even cooler if his Final Smash was Chaos Blast or even using Chaos Control to teleport his targets infront of the ARK's Eclipse Canon
@@aydentolive71 I feel the timing when they first introduced the Echos and we end up getting Shadow as a Assist Trophy tells a lot. I wouldn't be surprise if Sakurai tried to convince SEGA to let him add Shadow in but they kept on refusing.
Shadow doesn't have super speed, it's just his shoes. The others kinda make sense but they have WILDLY different movesets that it would be a crime not to include, making them entirely new characters in the end. How could you not include Amy's Pico hammer? Or the Tornado? If they are gonna add anything it needs to be either full on characters or just better color swaps
Man, they really could've made all of them be based off of his forks like Werehog and Super Sonic. Or more closely resemble the characters they're referencing like Shadow, they didn't do my boy Sonic justice 😔
Am i the only one who thinks mario is the guardian of the chaos emeralds for some reason in Sonic 2 and you may only get them if you collect enough rings until he approves.
Sonic has some of the most colourful casts and the best they could do was Shadow and Silver and Sonic four more times? What about pink for Amy? Red for Knuckles? Yellow for Tails? Hell you’ve any number of Sonic-alts to choose from (Werehog, Metal Sonic, Dark Sonic etc.)
They should consider making Sonic both shiny and has blue ring because in SA1DX, he is REALLY shiny. Nice reference to SA1 as well. He’s only light blue.
sonic definitely could have been treated like bowser jr and have each of his alts be a different character, tails, knuckles, amy, shadow, silver, espio and metal sonic just as an idea since all of them can believability be fit over sonics moveset
Honestly, they could've made a Metal Sonic skin, like how they did costumes to Mario, Pikachu, Luigi with the fire costume, or Steve, but they couldnt make at least one of those for Sonic???
I honestly wonder if Sega or Sonic Team mandated they couldn't really give Sonic any different colors, because they didn't want him to look like other official Sonic characters or fan-characters.
If they just didn’t try to keep the blue on all his costumes and actually had different colors, he would be great. But they want to keep a different shades of blue which throws off the color scheme a lot
Nintendo: Sakurai we finally got SEGA's permission to put Sonic in Smash, what should we do? Sakurai: Minimal references possible, only spindashes, no remixes, only Sonic as the rep and boring with less effort stages.
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you can tell by his voice aaronitmar was disappointed by the costumes
Yep
Why? I think these look cool
@@KNA31_3they’re super bland and dont look that good in game , they look washed out
@visionxry wdym they look fine. Sonic is a bright colored character but doesn't mean all his skins have to be too
@@KNA31_3I THINK you're special
The thing is, sonic has so many unique forms and characters to refference. But they took none of it.
Like Darkspine, Werehog, Super, Excalibur, Hyper, Classic as just a few examples.
You forget we havent had a sonic rep since brawl.
@@Cartoony444That was just Sonic’s debut smash game. We have no Sonic representation outside of just him
Lets never mention those again. Those games were horrible & should be forgotten with time.
hyper modern sonic isn't canon due to seizures
@@Cartoony444 What's really criminal is, Sonic hasn't had any new SSB music remixes sense Jun Senoue's Angel Island remix in Brawl. (Literally every other Sonic song is taken directly from numerous Sonic games) In "Ultimate" Jun Senoue even contributed a new Megaman remix oddly, (a series that already has many remixes) yet didn't make one for Sonic, despite the fact he never worked on a Megaman game and only worked on Sonic games music.
So even Sonic's own music creator snubbed him in Smash.
Honestly, the Sonic series is probably the most screwed over series in Smash...
Aside from having 2 stages in "Ultimate," and a new assist trophy character. (Knuckles, though the fact he has a homing attack makes his character seem unresearched.)
These are all stretches.
The fact they calling shoes and cuffs a costume is hilarious to me
Ha exactly. They don’t even look similar.
Literally how does the black one look like shadow. How
Let’s go over the costumes for clarification:
The original blue
The blue one
The blue one
The blue one
The black but still blue
The blue one
The blue one
The blue one
Edit: I’m sorry that I got the order wrong, please ignore that
More like
Original blue
Blue one
Blue one
Blue one
Black one (only valid one besides OG)
Blue one
Blue one
Blue one
erm actually your comment wasnt edited 🤓
@@fl3m1n9o4 Yes it was
You put the blue one in front of the blue one when its supposed to be infront of the blue one
@@toadboy4black one is blue
I will admit that the cuffs being different is a nice touch but MAN these colors are so lame, if they just went all out with the different colors based on other characters from the series instead of these, it would've been a LOT better.
Hell, imagine if the black costume was more like the 2P color in Sonic the Fighters, since it's obviously based on old black and white cartoons (Sonic himself was modeled after those, like Felix the Cat), it would've looked so cool next to Sora's Timeless River alt.!
SEGA doesn't allow it, same with Square wanting Cloud's colors to not be too different.
Pretty sure all but one of the Player 2 costumes (or Mirror Match alts, as I've also seen them called) are black and white. The one exception being Honey the Cat, whose hair turns blonde and dress blue. I think her main fur color changes too, but I don't remember off the top of my head.
Also, as a side note, pretty sure that these alt colors in Sonic the Fighters are only ever seen in Mirror Matches.
its black and white because in universe its a cloning machine by eggman
I said they would be better if they just completely got rid of the blue on all the costumes cause that’s what really mess up the color scheme
The hand for the orange reference is clearly red.
Yes, it uses Sonic's color pallete for his shoes. It's red, no doubt about it.
The custom used to be red in brawl
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Dawg it is NOT hard to palette swap him he is ONE COLOR, WHY did they do this
Cus too much effort
I've heard that Sega doesn't allow sonic to be any color other than blue anymore? Except for super sonic obviously. But I don't know how true that is
@@yasmineh.1333thats very much not true given how often they make him other colors. In Sonic COLORS they make him different colors not only for the power ups but also the GameLand mode where he comes in pink, green, red, and black besides a darker blue
Kind of surprised they didn’t make all the cuffs the colors of the 7 chaos emeralds
I personally think that the Black alt is a reference to Dark Sonic from Sonic X.
Same
Yeah that’s what I like to think too.
Same :)
O don’t believe it because sonic x wasn’t know so I whoud say it was shadow
@@Icecalller If so, You go with your own opinion while I'll go with my own. That way it's fair.
Sonic have been done dirty
Sonic should have had his soap shoes, riders outfit and racer outfits as alts.
Couldve had a ref to boom or Excalibur.
And the Jet Set Sonic outfit
I’m convinced Sakurai’s love for the Sonic series is the music, he gave Sonic 2 spin dashes and very basic moveset when he could’ve worked with a lot of Sonic titles including Sonic BATTLE
sonic’s skins should’ve been shadow, silver, knuckles, amy, tails etc
The oddest change to Sonic's Orange alt is it was originally red in Brawl.
Smash 4 changed the color to orange and in Smash Ultimate the fur color Sonic had for both Orange and Red were swapped for some unexplained reason.
Another interesting tidbit is related to Sonic's body color in both the Red and Green alts in Brawl. For one reason or another those two alts in Smash 4 onwards made Sonic's fur *brighter* compared to Brawl with the Red alt turning Sonic's fur a shade of purple (which would later be swapped with the green alt as previously mentioned) rather than the darker blue it originally had which made Sonic look like some of his older artwork.
For some bizarre reason there have been two moments in Sonic's history as a playable character in Smash Bros where he just isn't allowed to have alts that have a nearly identical fur color to another alt.
I have a theory that they changed that costume to reference the series more, as the orange shoes sort of match his design in the 8-bit games, where he had orange instead of red shoes
I like the green outfit for Sonic
Why couldn't they just add silver and shadow as models.... They didn't even need to float or anything literally just added the models man... GOD WHY DID THEY DO SONIC SO DIRTY
Silvers quills are not the same as Sonic.
@@orangeslash1667 yes? They're different but they wouldn't change hotboxes or anything. Plenty of characters have skins that alter them a bit.
@@FungusFindersBeware With Bowser Jr it makes sense because he's small and in a mech, not so much with Sonic. Not only is Sonic smiling but he says lines like (Sonic Speed) and( we should do this again some time). I can't imagine Shadow and Sliver saying stuff like that it would feel out of character.
Also Shadow doesn't run, he floats with his hover shoes.
@@orangeslash1667 fair enough.
Shadow is an Assist Trophy
The crystal ring also happens to resemble Tikal's (and Reboot Sally's) cuffs/bracelets, which I'd always consider neat.
we should have yellow and red representing tails and knuckles
Damn, these suck, Smash Fan Games and mods have better costumes for Sonic
We COULD’VE had more colorful and aacurate colors for Sonic, BUT SEGA probably had a mandate for Sonic to not drastically change his color for his costume for some reason. I would’ve loved to see an orange recolor with blue eyes to reference Tails, or a proper black recolor with red lines running down Sonic’s quills with rings near his hands and feet to properly reference Shadow.
@@leohernandez8751 even if they wanted to keep him blue, there are so many outfits they could've done with him that weren't these.
So you're telling me theres a black sonic but no black yoshi?
Probably because of SML lmao
Dark Sonic: I’m still forgotten.
the last 2 are very vague and probably just a random choice
My favorite Sonic color is his gray one.
It makes him look like Silver, my favorite Sonic character.
His black alt is based on the co op robots in Sonic Colors game lab mode.
Sonic colors came out after smash bros brawl and he had the alt in that game so no
I have a strong feeling the dark sonic skin is a reference to dark sonic from sonic x i mean if you think of it this could be that 1st state of the dark power up
You're really stretching the truth for these.
Ohh So That’s Why I Playing Colors Sonic in SSB
The last two costumes are mad specific and niche, like the hand that appears in the Sonic 2 special stage? They couldn’t make a costume that references Tails or Knuckles but they could make costumes that reference the hands from the Sonic 2 special stage
Introducing the echo fighter system was a perfect place to introduce shadow, silver, Amy, knuckles, etc. I mean they all do spin attacks and run fast so it wouldn’t have been that weird
Shadow would've been the ULTIMATE Echo Fighter. Even cooler if his Final Smash was Chaos Blast or even using Chaos Control to teleport his targets infront of the ARK's Eclipse Canon
@@SlashCraftJackcan’t believe they made him an assist trophy
@@aydentolive71 I feel the timing when they first introduced the Echos and we end up getting Shadow as a Assist Trophy tells a lot. I wouldn't be surprise if Sakurai tried to convince SEGA to let him add Shadow in but they kept on refusing.
I feel like Knuckles and Amy would warrant their own movesets
Shadow doesn't have super speed, it's just his shoes. The others kinda make sense but they have WILDLY different movesets that it would be a crime not to include, making them entirely new characters in the end. How could you not include Amy's Pico hammer? Or the Tornado? If they are gonna add anything it needs to be either full on characters or just better color swaps
Oh wow I never picked up on the Ark of The Cosmos reference before! That's actually pretty cool
Sonic's yellow cuffs could also be a reference to the rings he picks up in the games but nobody really talks about that for some reason.
I honestly can't believe that SSF2 got it's Sonic recolors a lot better than what one of the biggest gaming companies in the planet could
The dark sonic Color could also be a bad of dark sonic
SSB developers when they made alts for Sonic
The cuffs aren't even unique enough to represent the characters it's supposed to represent, they did my man *real* dirty
If this was SSF2 it would make a lot more sence rn
Damn, this is like yoga class
Man, they really could've made all of them be based off of his forks like Werehog and Super Sonic. Or more closely resemble the characters they're referencing like Shadow, they didn't do my boy Sonic justice 😔
I question your research and "inspired" costumes reference. Its not been flat out said from the devs regarding character skins
Bro is STRETCHING hard💀
Those last two kind of feel like a stretch because I mean that's just a hand that shows up when you do good and special stages in one game.
The dark one is also a reference to Dark Sonic from Sonic X
My favorite one is the blue one
Am i the only one who thinks mario is the guardian of the chaos emeralds for some reason in Sonic 2 and you may only get them if you collect enough rings until he approves.
While im glad to see two versions of silver im sad that they had to take up two slots and not do better references ://
These references are as dry as the references in Sonic movie 1.
The only bracelet/cuff change I would accept is Chip's bracelet from the end of Unleashed.
Sonic has some of the most colourful casts and the best they could do was Shadow and Silver and Sonic four more times? What about pink for Amy? Red for Knuckles? Yellow for Tails? Hell you’ve any number of Sonic-alts to choose from (Werehog, Metal Sonic, Dark Sonic etc.)
Personally, I only feel two of these are references, being the Crystal Ring, and the green ring. Maybe only the former, though.
The streches are insane
They should consider making Sonic both shiny and has blue ring because in SA1DX, he is REALLY shiny. Nice reference to SA1 as well. He’s only light blue.
Sonic and Nights together brings back memories. REAL ONES remember Sonic RPG.
The light blue handcuffs are a reference when sonic gets trapped in the death egg in sonic forces
The all black color also reference Dark Sonic from Sonic X
I wish they added a skin that represents dark sonic
The light blue sonic reminded me of that one sonic forces cutscene where sonic is locked up with zavok
sonic definitely could have been treated like bowser jr and have each of his alts be a different character, tails, knuckles, amy, shadow, silver, espio and metal sonic just as an idea since all of them can believability be fit over sonics moveset
WHY WAS THIS VIDEO RECCOMENDED TO ME SO LATE 😭
There's only actually 2 references here.
i wish we got metal sonic, riders sonic with the glasses, and soap shoes
Man I love ALL OF THESE SHADES OF BLUE
this made me realize how much personality sonic has
I prefer the alts from Project+.
should’ve titled the video: “How far can we stretch Sonic’s alt skins in Smash so it can make sense and make the designer not look lazy”
I'm starting to think Nintendo has a vendetta against sonic
I thought at the Black Costume was a reference to Dark Sonic from Sonic X
Anyone else think that the purple was a reference to Blaze
My question is, why didn't they acually put the characters as playable on the game?
When i was a kid i thought the hands in the special stages were mario and luigi's.
Honestly, they could've made a Metal Sonic skin, like how they did costumes to Mario, Pikachu, Luigi with the fire costume, or Steve, but they couldnt make at least one of those for Sonic???
Well, these are better than the ones seen in Brawl.
the 5th one is actually based off a scrapped character replacing Shadow and the scrapped character was Terios who looks more like sonic
green also looks like sonic adventure 2 bounce bracelet and light shoes together
Yall finna hate me, but I like sonics costumes
Nah those were Tires on the grey costume, not wristbands.
They’re kept safe in the Xbox.
Color palettes that somehow always manage to annoy me are Pokémon shinies and super smash bros alts
The 1st grey is a refrence to the handcuffs in sonic forces or just eggmans handcuff
it would have been cool if they changed his eye color on some of the costumes to add some more detail
I always thought the costume reference with the black cuffs where an omage to dark sonic from sonic X
i thought the black one was more similar to the dark sonic form (not dark super sonic, there is a difference)
SEGA dropped the ball all around when it came to Sonic in smash, from the costumes to the move set 😔
Sonics sid B Spin Dash is based on the spin dash animations from Sonic CD. The down B spin dash is just the regular spin dash.
I honestly wonder if Sega or Sonic Team mandated they couldn't really give Sonic any different colors, because they didn't want him to look like other official Sonic characters or fan-characters.
If they just didn’t try to keep the blue on all his costumes and actually had different colors, he would be great. But they want to keep a different shades of blue which throws off the color scheme a lot
I always thought the blue light up cuffs were a referenced to movie Sonic
Pick a color, we got:
Blue
Blue but kinda purple
Bright blue
Pale blue
Black
Light blue
Blue
And blue
That is red bro💀
The black sonic costume is a referance to Dark Sonic from Sonic X
Can you cover smash remix? It's amazing
The black costume should’ve been altered to more closely resemble Shadow
The purple is also like fang the sniper
i hope they add a scourge alt if they make a new smash game
The constant blue style is probably due to guidelines from sega
Some of these seem like huge reaches
They’re all just frickin blue dude. Plus one black. They could just add one red for knuckles, or yellow for tails?
Ah yes my favorite sonic character
The hand
I compared the cyan / light blue sonic to classic sonic
Nintendo: Sakurai we finally got SEGA's permission to put Sonic in Smash, what should we do?
Sakurai: Minimal references possible, only spindashes, no remixes, only Sonic as the rep and boring with less effort stages.
is it just me or when i was a kid i thought the hands that appears in the special stage was mario?
I thought the purple one Is needlemouse
Wait guys. Sonic has the pass.TAKE IT AWAY FROM HIM!
I think the hand that gives a thumbs up is Mario and Luigi’s hand