Did you saw what happened yesterday on a Korea 737 MAX on it's way to taiwan ? It falled 8 kilometers of altitude in 15 minutes, 17 injured. This is ridiculous that look like the same thing that happened in 2018
3 weeks and they still need to collect data means 1 of 3 things: 1) More problems are cropping up adding to the complexity 2) it's the same problem but they still have no idea what's going on 3)Nothing has changed but they have lied about the severity of the problem and are stalling until something can be figured out.
Another issue is the ISS spacewalk was postponed because of a cooling leak in our ancient Space Suits that no one seems to be able to replace in a reasonable amount of time or at a reasonable price point. Is your memory so bad that you have forgotten how they had to keep postponing the SpaceX test flights to the ISS because of all the scheduling conflicts?
Choice 4) #1 = #3 is happening - I mean they couldn't figure out the heat generated by the RCS before putting men on board??? What the hell is wrong with these people? Crystal ball says we have to ask Russia to rescue them. BTW how far out is the 45 day cutoff now?
People who aren't engineers. People like you? Most aerospace hardware I'm aware of has dozens of issues to be resolved early on -- the Shuttle had hundreds. Non-specialists are simply ignorant that such is the norm.
@@timewa851 If Starliner was unable to return for whatever reason, I'd have to believe that Dragon would go up to retrieve them if available because it's probably cheaper but I'm sure they'll figure it out and Starliner will return home after the unscheduled "tests".
Boeing is bullshitting. Being a rocket scientist myself, I can assure you they know the root cause. But fixing it would require firing people fairly high up the hierarchy, and companies like Boeing almost never do that. They need time to concoct a semi-convincing cover story. Fact is, a human-rated capsule has a design process 10 times more anal than an airliner's, with traceability of decisions and actions all the way down to single lines of code or individual screws. Boeing would rather protect a few employees who don't deserve their jobs, than do the right thing... because Boeing execs set the rules and they are exactly the kind of person who would need to get fired. FFS even an upstart like Musk managed to make a reliable space capsule while fighting flame wars on social networks. I'd say it's not rocket science except of course it is, but you get what I'm saying.
Now now, being a scientist you should know the term is Bovine Scatology. Though I'm not a scientist, don't play one on TV and didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
if they think it's going to fail, just fill it up with trash from the ISS and send it back, if it fails, at least the trash would have been disposed of. the Astronauts can come back on a SpaceX capsule.
@@Daginni1cannot compare Tesla (a public company) and spaceX (a private company with government contracts). SpaceX has the best track record among any private space companies. Boeing has been making fatal mistakes since many years.
@@Daginni1 His spacecraft are ANYTHING but "crappy" - making you look like an idiot for comparing a car company with a rocket company, with entirely different personnel. SpaceX has a 99% success rate with their launches and returns (the 1% was in testing and early uncrewed craft). The Falcon and Falcon Heavy are superb - completely reliable, and reusable. You need to do a little research.
@@Daginni1 Considering that the Dragon capsule has had literally zero issues since it’s debut and is a fraction of the cost of the Starliner I’d take SpaceX any day of the week over Boeing.
Boeing is not a company that is data driven. You can't have issues and then say "we are letting data drive our decisions". To be a data driven company, it is a core component from the start of any project or company, not just when you need it.
"Analysing Data" is typical Boeing spin-speak for "we're trying to find out the cause of the problem, but we are miles away from finding a solution". Hence the delay. They're just incompetent, at almost every level.
Same mentality that NASA had that led to the Challenger disaster. They had data that should the O-Rings were not validated for performance at the existing launch temperatures. They made the decision based upon schedule pressure, ignoring existing data and engineering push back. A company that is pushing the envelopes of safety cannot have that sort of mentality.
To learn. That is also how spaceX is doing thing. They try and improve instead of building a "perfect" version on the first go. While "try, learn, improve, repeat" is not the usual way of boeing/NASA of doing things, I assume it is not the first time they use sub-nominal situation to learn. And NASA need at least 2 differents vehicules to service the space station. If a major flaw is found in a design (like we saw on the space shuttle), they can't afford to be without a launch vehicule. Having 2 or more design is the way to go. Finaly, while I am not that good at reading feelings, I sense a lot of hostility against Boeing in the comments. I am also a SpaceX fan, but a successfull Starliner diminish in nothing the incredible accomplishments of SpaceX.
Who wants to wait for a Dragon to return us home, raise your hand now. Just be aware Boeing's track record with planes right now is in the can. Can I see those hands again?
Exactly my thinking, and it might come to that, too. Whatever happens, I just hope Butch and Sun are safe on their return to Earth in a SpaceX Dragon capsule.
It really doesn't work like that. SpaceX doesn't just have Crew Dragon capsules at the ready. Crew 9 is slated to fly in August, so I imagine that capsule is built, but they don't exactly have shelves full of flight hardware ready to save the day.
Yes, SpaceX can get it done if needed.@@MrAlbertaSurferThey launch 🚀 rockets faster than ALL the other companies on the planet COMBINED. I have NO doubt that
Can you imagine being one of these astronauts when it's time to climb back into that thing to head home? They should be smart and send it back by itself and let a more proven space ship take the crew home.
They are the best test pilots in the world. They won’t get in if they don’t agree. They have nothing to lose by saying no. First it’s their job to say no. Next they have grands waiting. Last they have nothing to prove. This is their last flight…
Butch and Suni are the best test pilots NASA has. Advanced engineering degrees, thousands of hours, respect of all. They are Chuck Yeager, Neil/Buzz level talents. They will decide if they want to take the ride. Not only are they brilliant and skilled, they have grandchildren and this is their last flight before retiring. They won’t let a Boeing PR stunt ruin that. If they are in it on return, it will be an event free return.
Y’know the “last mission before retirement” thing doesn’t really build confidence. It’s such a movie trope. Plus they have been waiting to fly this bloody thing for so long they’ve reached retirement age.
Quick! Someone inform Mark that the understanding part, should come before the launch. The old, "I don't know why the bird can't fly" thing, really doesn't get it.
Man. You are the best! Every time a question popped up in my head, you answered it. You are asking and answering great questions. It’s a shame that Boeing and NASA don’t have good answers. I don’t give a darn about the Starliner. It’s been relegated to the museum like the congressional bunch that’s been feeding it. All I care about is getting Suni and Butch back. They are the Chuck Yeager and Buzz/Neil of today. They have paid their dues as test pilots. Riding this home is needless and risks the lives of national treasures needlessly. Their lives aren’t worth a PR moment for NASA and Boeing. Thanks again!!!!!
Sadly SpaceX is making Boeing and NASA look like novices these days the simple question is do you risk the life’s of those people to save face or just write it off as a learning curve and bring it home empty and see if it survives and safely bring home the people on SpaceX this time?? Doesn’t seem that hard a question.
Starliner was supposed to be a reliable alternative to Dragon. So far I am not seeing the reliable aspect of this spacecraft. You'd think with as much time and money Boeing was given Starliner would be at least at good as Dragon.
you would think. and if they get these initial bugs worked out and start not having problems, it will be mostly forgotten in the long run- remains to be seen
@@outtakontroll3334 They received twice the amout that spaceX received for the Commercial Crew Program. Cancel it. Dragon as Lifeboat, use starliner to burn up trash in atmosphere and bring Sierra Space in as the 2nd Commercial crew.
@@outtakontroll3334Boeing keeps having their Airplanes fall out of the sky or drop pieces while flying. NO, Boeing isn’t going to get any slack on these clusters they’re building.
While they are stuck in space is the correct time to fully review the program and learn more about the spacecraft. Really stupid to do that with Starliner and astronauts on the ground.
That’s all well and good finding out things while still attached to the ISS but bring them back on a proven craft, SpaceX’s Dragon and do not expose these Astronauts to blast furnace temperatures during re-entry while NASA sends thoughts and prayers to the families just to try and save Boeing’s reputation. It already a failed mission IMHO. I would not risk my life coming back in that soon to be blast furnace just hoping I could get the thrusters to put me at the proper angle with respect to the earth’s atmosphere.
Not even a rescue. As I understand (a guy with a computer) Space X can add seats to the August flight and they can hang out on ISS for a while, or they can send 2 fewer folks up. No rescue, just rearrange the schedule a bit. No NASA drama, just typical Space X doing the right thing to solve the problem.
10:00 The big problem is that the Boeing spacesuits aren't compatible with dragon. They would have to create two custom made suits to fit them. The next issue is the seats are custom fitted to the astronauts that ride up in them to avoid injuries. This isn't like taking a city bus cross town these people have to have special equipment when traveling in space or they die.
Until a few years ago Boeing had and Deserved the highest reputation in the aerospace industry. Now? Corporate Bean Counters Make decisions based on Horsecrap. There are certain decisions that Engineers Have To Make. Otherwise the Wheels Fall Off. This Thing Was Inadequately Tested. They saved a few $.
over a decade of development and how much money invested? The days of getting easy contracts with Nasa and doing little work are over, which annoys these old aerospace companies since they would suck Nasa dry. SpaceX came along and changed the game with milestone based contracts, needing to actually develop something within a specific timeframe or miss out on money.
When starliner leaves iss it will be with an open hatch to ensure its completely vaporized upon reentry. Meanwhile Elon is calculating how much it's going to cost to go get those two Boeing guinea pigs
With the problems with starliner becoming more evident, its not hard to understand how NASA's negligence led to the deaths of multiple astronauts in the Columbia and challenger tragedies. You would think that they'd be a little more cautious with manned spacecraft by this point. But i guess when the shot callers are personally benefitting from their stock holdings in certain companies, they will continue to promote those companies as much as possible, even at the risk to the lives of others.
Lmao, sounds like NASA just giving butch and sunni Busy work to make it seem like every thing is planned, I suspect if they don't come back and come back safely by the end of the 1st in July then boeing are going to be handed to the dogs, it feels like NASA are very close to the end of their patience with Boeing, and regardless of the three major arms of boeing being separate divisions they are all governed by the same corporate culture and it's that culture that's the problem. I would think whistleblowers ae at the moment being kept quiet by the management telling them the company will do the right thing, but if thee return of butch and sunni is aborted or the rest tun but it costs them their lives whistleblowers will be queuing up at the FAA to give their evidence
My friend, the data has driven them all over hell and back. The problem compounded by a lack of line inspectors and other people who can then read the data without drooling.
That is the only sane response. Call Elon, get a commitment then attempt sending Starliner back empty. They cannot look much worse. The mission has already failed. It can only get worse from here.This is what happens when two competing companies build the same product without the full benefits of lessons learned. This is not a game! Boeing is getting close to never recovering their name whereas they could look safety conscious by getting Dragon to bring back the astronauts safely. It would go a long way with me showing they are more concerned with human life versus the almighty dollar. Right now I would not trust anything that went up higher that 2 ft above ground level made by this company.
Seems like the Chinese are about where SpaceX was in 2016. It is conceivable that they could recover a booster stage, but recovering an upper stage from orbit will be much harder and require a system to mitigate the heat of an orbital reentry.
@@cardboard9124”Failure is NOT an Option” This company has screwed up for decades and is continuing on its path to self-destruction. They are clearly NOT the best company in the Space Launch Industry anymore. They aren’t even the best company in Commercial Aircraft Production anymore. There’s a REASON that their CEO has been dragged before Congress due to multiple Quality Failures on Multiple different product lines. Doors falling off because they’re NOT bolted on. Software causing crashes and near crashes. Failure to TRAIN pilots to handle software to cheap out on fundamentally a new aircraft / system. The Ridiculous Cost and Time Overruns on the Spacecraft. The military issues with Boeing Flight systems and aircraft / other weapons systems we don’t hear about as much because the military tries to keep a lid on it. No, Boeing literally used to be the BEST in the world. No, they have failed massively on many fronts and many occasions.
There's talk of bringing them back on Dragon. It's not that easy. Those suits will not plug in to Dragon and they do not fit the seats. All of those suits are custom made to each individual. It's not a matter of devising an adapter. This was talked about a few months ago when Soyuz had problems and there was an American astronaut. They said in an emergency, like an evacuation, they would do it. Otherwise the risk is too high.
They are probably making adapters for connection as we wait. Or they already have them in preparation that thins issue could happen to either craft. There are a lot of things we do not know.
@@DavidC-pg6ni @DavidC-pg6ni You're right. I'm no expert. I watched a Scott Manley video I believe. Or it was Tim Dodd. They seem to know what they're talking about.
All the more reason for a common suit, aren't NASA building yet another suit for Orion, the seats also can be a standard design the hot switching of the padding to suit different astronauts, heck they could even design a totally inflatable seat cushions system and you just set it by linking an astronauts profile (you'd need to use an inert gas and allow for inflation / deflation as loading on it would change so the system would need robust components for safety) but I'm sure we are at that level of technology for either method, interchangeable pads being the easiest and cheapest methods.
Thanks to bring true information, other channels are exaggerating the situation saying thinks like astronauts stranded and SpaceX rescue mission all to get clicks on the video
Yeah, I get really put off buy that kind of stuff. We've got to play the RUclips game with the title and thumbnail, but we try to be cautious of ever crossing a line into nonsense. Do my best to make all of the content within the video as factual and reasonable as I can
@@DavidC-pg6ni All the problems that they had aren't critical but obviously are no good and cant be tolerated and yes the Crew Dragon is much better the Starliner is a disaster but the current situation is not as bad as some people paint it.
NASA and Boeing should talk to some of the surviving people that worked for NASA back in the 60's and 70's. Back then, people were walking and playing golf on the flippin' moon without all the problems that seem to be common today. Apollo 13 was the one problem mission, but aside from that, space travel became pretty much like driving to Walmart.
There's nothing weird... Boeing and NASA want to study the problem while Starliner is docked because... once it returns, they will no longer be able to study it... the helium leak is not a problem they have enough helium for 7 days, only needing 7 hours to return!!!
There are already a couple of capsules docked at International Space Station. Those would be a better choice to use to get those two Astronauts back Home.
I've recently worked at BDS in OKC, OK as a contract engineer. My first lead was a young woman, maybe 25 years younger than me. I had no complaints, and would be more than happy to work for her again.
That’s a political opinion. The facts are that it’s a management and cultural issues. I am waiting to hear from a whistle blower from Boeing’s space division.
@@nima1287 I watched and studied it more than once, and yes I am aware of what editing glitches look like. My issue is, why was the video cut by the Chinese right at touchdown, the most anticipated and difficult phase? 1)Not tipping over at touchdown was the biggest hurdle Space X had to overcome. 2) The glitch showing the nose cone separating is not what I was looking at, the lower section starting to lean was my focus. 3) Could be an editing glitch, but not enough video to be 100% sure. 4) I don't trust the Chinese not to hide their failures from world view.
They know they're gonna blow up in the atmosphere upon re-entry, but they can't say nothing. Because being quiet gives them more time to hope some one will rescue them.
Relax man throughout history many crafts have endured catastrophic failures but this one did good all the way to the end and only 1 of 8 thrusters failed thats pretty good odds, also they even said it themselves they could bring the people back right now if they had to but are choosing to sift through all their data first
@@twitchy.mp3 that's what you say now until it ends up like Challenger..... Then at that point are you wrong or am I a fortune teller because Boeing's never care till why would they care about two people singly two people in space they don't they never did
@@wilderjacob6 There are no issues with the heatshield buddy, and they definetley do care about the astronauts, why do you think they delayed re-rentry?
@@cardboard9124 well that's simple.... They would PREFER if they didn't die. But to say they "care about them" as much or even projecting than idea of that is very sinister and dishonest of you
@@twitchy.mp3BULLSHITE! They should NEVER have launched. We have AMPLE evidence that Boeing is suffering MASSIVELY on quality issues in ALL parts of their businesses.
It is true to say, Starliner would never be cleared to launch from earth, with the current mission status profile… Fool… Even more true the astronauts are not stranded, because Crew Dragon can bring them home 🎉
Maybe Mark Naapi could upgrade his 'double speak' by borrowing the line from Chief Dan George. Try" We endeavor to persevere" That'll impress people, lol.
I would imagine having the capsule on earth in a laboratory would be a whole lot more useful than sitting attached to the ISS. You also don't just stick around for 4x or 5x times longer than planned to the literal only permanent human habitation in space unless something seriously concerning is happening.
“A little extra time to resolve the data” essentially means they have no clue what is happening with the POS. What a dangerous spacecraft. Boeing needs to take some time and reassess its company goals and work culture.
HA!! The limiting factor for how long FailLiner can stay is based on how much of the required gasses have leaked. They need to return before there aren't enough gasses left.
I wonder if it would be possible if they could let the Starliner craft return back without the astronauts and have them hitch a ride back in a crew Dragon… But I think probably not, because they don’t have the correct flight suits that interface with crew Dragon(?) and iirc the suits are custom tailored to the person, so there’s probably no ‘generic’ suit that they could use to take on a passenger that wasn’t originally on the crew…
so if star-liner thrusters can overheat during a relatively sedate docking in the vacuum of space, it may be slightly more prone to overheat in the chaotic forces of reentry. Starship has shown us the difference in possible outcomes between a controlled and uncontrolled reentry.
NASA needs to ask SpaceX Crew Dragon to go rescue those astronauts, or the astronauts can live on the ISS forever I guess. Just keep sending them food up there.
I believe the helium leak is probably the reason why Starleaker must return to earth within 45d ... After that amount of time there will be insufficient helium pressure to control the spaceship ...
Windows are literally falling off their planes mid-air. Why did anyone expect their spaceships to be any better?
Did you saw what happened yesterday on a Korea 737 MAX on it's way to taiwan ? It falled 8 kilometers of altitude in 15 minutes, 17 injured. This is ridiculous that look like the same thing that happened in 2018
No, the windows are fine. You're overreacting. It was a door that fell off.
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SPACECRAP not spacecraft 🤣🤣they may need a few more white collar employees ✝
@@TomDrez Do you know how bad your English is????
3 weeks and they still need to collect data means 1 of 3 things:
1) More problems are cropping up adding to the complexity
2) it's the same problem but they still have no idea what's going on
3)Nothing has changed but they have lied about the severity of the problem and are stalling until something can be figured out.
Another issue is the ISS spacewalk was postponed because of a cooling leak in our ancient Space Suits that no one seems to be able to replace in a reasonable amount of time or at a reasonable price point. Is your memory so bad that you have forgotten how they had to keep postponing the SpaceX test flights to the ISS because of all the scheduling conflicts?
@@i-love-space390 I'm sorry is that to me?
Choice 4) #1 = #3 is happening - I mean they couldn't figure out the heat generated by the RCS before putting men on board??? What the hell is wrong with these people? Crystal ball says we have to ask Russia to rescue them. BTW how far out is the 45 day cutoff now?
@@gendaminoru3195 don't need Russia. Crew Dragon will do the job nicely.
@@archieharris6825wouldn’t bet on that. The space suits are not compatible with both capsules.
If it's Boeing, I ain't going... home.
GREAT SLOGAN !
Amazing how they ruined when their rep when they went all in on being woke - now years later, we see the results.
From the former slogan if it isn't Boeing I ain't going.
You’ll return home in pieces after reentry.☝️
Boeing no homing
'Something Weird Is Happening With Boeing's Starliner' There's nothing weird about it. It's what people normally call FAILURE.
Boeing finds this term offensive and would like to identify otherwise
oh it's more than that when you're at 214 miles above the Earth.
Time for an awkward call to the Russians to 'borrow' a Soyuz Capsule!
People who aren't engineers. People like you? Most aerospace hardware I'm aware of has dozens of issues to be resolved early on -- the Shuttle had hundreds. Non-specialists are simply ignorant that such is the norm.
@@timewa851 If Starliner was unable to return for whatever reason, I'd have to believe that Dragon would go up to retrieve them if available because it's probably cheaper but I'm sure they'll figure it out and Starliner will return home after the unscheduled "tests".
@@timewa851 Screw Russia.Spacex would do it hands down.THW Russia.
Boeing is bullshitting. Being a rocket scientist myself, I can assure you they know the root cause. But fixing it would require firing people fairly high up the hierarchy, and companies like Boeing almost never do that. They need time to concoct a semi-convincing cover story. Fact is, a human-rated capsule has a design process 10 times more anal than an airliner's, with traceability of decisions and actions all the way down to single lines of code or individual screws. Boeing would rather protect a few employees who don't deserve their jobs, than do the right thing... because Boeing execs set the rules and they are exactly the kind of person who would need to get fired. FFS even an upstart like Musk managed to make a reliable space capsule while fighting flame wars on social networks. I'd say it's not rocket science except of course it is, but you get what I'm saying.
Most intelligent answer so far.
Now now, being a scientist you should know the term is Bovine Scatology.
Though I'm not a scientist, don't play one on TV and didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
You are so full of shit!!
SNC just stole the Doomsday Aircraft from Boeing. Do you think that Dream Chaser would have been a better choice over Starliner?
Dreamer will NEVER see a live crew taken to orbit after taking 10 yrs to develop this zombie ship.........out@@tomsanders5584
if they think it's going to fail, just fill it up with trash from the ISS and send it back, if it fails, at least the trash would have been disposed of. the Astronauts can come back on a SpaceX capsule.
Yeah, because Musk isn't known for making just as crappy of products? Cybertruck comes to mind.
@@Daginni1cannot compare Tesla (a public company) and spaceX (a private company with government contracts). SpaceX has the best track record among any private space companies. Boeing has been making fatal mistakes since many years.
SpaceX is vaporware.
Tesla is vaporware.
Same CEO.
Musk is a con man.
@@Daginni1 His spacecraft are ANYTHING but "crappy" - making you look like an idiot for comparing a car company with a rocket company, with entirely different personnel. SpaceX has a 99% success rate with their launches and returns (the 1% was in testing and early uncrewed craft). The Falcon and Falcon Heavy are superb - completely reliable, and reusable. You need to do a little research.
@@Daginni1 Considering that the Dragon capsule has had literally zero issues since it’s debut and is a fraction of the cost of the Starliner I’d take SpaceX any day of the week over Boeing.
Boeing is not a company that is data driven. You can't have issues and then say "we are letting data drive our decisions". To be a data driven company, it is a core component from the start of any project or company, not just when you need it.
Someone making too much sense.... beware of Boeing hitman
They are a data driven company, it's just the data is all about profits only
If it's a Boeing, I ain't going
"Analysing Data" is typical Boeing spin-speak for "we're trying to find out the cause of the problem, but we are miles away from finding a solution". Hence the delay. They're just incompetent, at almost every level.
@@jimmyjango5213 Hey!! Excel cost spreadsheets are data too. How else can you cheapen production, safety and quality?
If they are data driven, why did they launch with a helium leaks.
I think they mean BS driven
Same mentality that NASA had that led to the Challenger disaster. They had data that should the O-Rings were not validated for performance at the existing launch temperatures. They made the decision based upon schedule pressure, ignoring existing data and engineering push back. A company that is pushing the envelopes of safety cannot have that sort of mentality.
because the one they had was manageable. The others appeared during the flight
To learn.
That is also how spaceX is doing thing. They try and improve instead of building a "perfect" version on the first go.
While "try, learn, improve, repeat" is not the usual way of boeing/NASA of doing things, I assume it is not the first time they use sub-nominal situation to learn.
And NASA need at least 2 differents vehicules to service the space station. If a major flaw is found in a design (like we saw on the space shuttle), they can't afford to be without a launch vehicule. Having 2 or more design is the way to go.
Finaly, while I am not that good at reading feelings, I sense a lot of hostility against Boeing in the comments. I am also a SpaceX fan, but a successfull Starliner diminish in nothing the incredible accomplishments of SpaceX.
Boeing stock price is also one of the data being considered ;)
It's tragic what happened to Boeing. From engineering first to spreadsheet first.
No, boeing went woke. Go woke, go broke. They got all the diversity hires and it looks as expected
People have traced it back to the Merger with McDonnell Douglas.
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This started with the Mc Donald Douglas merger/ take over
Who wants to wait for a Dragon to return us home, raise your hand now. Just be aware Boeing's track record with planes right now is in the can. Can I see those hands again?
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Do they really want to take a chance with that death trap? If it was me, I wouldn’t step foot in that thing knowing its history.
Maybe that’s why they need more data, no one is willing to come back in it.
Replace 'data' with 'dollar' !
If I was one of those astronauts, I wouldn’t get back on that thing and demand they bring me back with SpaceX.
Exactly my thinking, and it might come to that, too. Whatever happens, I just hope Butch and Sun are safe on their return to Earth in a SpaceX Dragon capsule.
It really doesn't work like that. SpaceX doesn't just have Crew Dragon capsules at the ready. Crew 9 is slated to fly in August, so I imagine that capsule is built, but they don't exactly have shelves full of flight hardware ready to save the day.
@@MrAlbertaSurfer I figured as much.
Yes, SpaceX can get it done if needed.@@MrAlbertaSurferThey launch 🚀 rockets faster than ALL the other companies on the planet COMBINED. I have NO doubt that
@@MrAlbertaSurfer Well, okay, I did not know that about not having a Crew Dragon ready on hand. Thanks for sharing that.
Can you imagine being one of these astronauts when it's time to climb back into that thing to head home? They should be smart and send it back by itself and let a more proven space ship take the crew home.
"Boeing has great news! After much negotiation, the astronauts have agreed to "try and get home", using Starliner."
They are the best test pilots in the world. They won’t get in if they don’t agree. They have nothing to lose by saying no. First it’s their job to say no. Next they have grands waiting. Last they have nothing to prove. This is their last flight…
They might have better luck taking the parachutes and jumping.
If only the Americans could ask the Russians for a ride... Oh, wait...
@@cotizacionesequipo1719 oh nooo, nato wants war with them russians so they .....
"STRAND-LINER" is cold 🤣💀💀
I prefer zero-atmosphere Death Trap.
I like the Stuckliner moniker.
@@darrelneese5676 They are not stuck unless the StrandLiner can't be used and SpaceX can't go get them until August.
Scareliner, screamliner
@@timewa851I prefer “new ISS module”
Butch and Suni are the best test pilots NASA has. Advanced engineering degrees, thousands of hours, respect of all. They are Chuck Yeager, Neil/Buzz level talents. They will decide if they want to take the ride.
Not only are they brilliant and skilled, they have grandchildren and this is their last flight before retiring. They won’t let a Boeing PR stunt ruin that.
If they are in it on return, it will be an event free return.
Most reasonable comment yet!
TOPPP !
Y’know the “last mission before retirement” thing doesn’t really build confidence. It’s such a movie trope. Plus they have been waiting to fly this bloody thing for so long they’ve reached retirement age.
Ask Elon if he agrees on taking that risk
As if they can control a myriad of things that can go wrong... drinking a bit too much of that kool aid there buddy
Geezzzhh, we've been operating these kinds of thrusters for over 60 years now, Boeing is acting as if they're still under development.
Quick! Someone inform Mark that the understanding part, should come before the launch. The old, "I don't know why the bird can't fly" thing, really doesn't get it.
After 45 days in space the tape used to hold the doors on becomes flammable.
and the plastic nuts start cracking.
How does one not realize your wiring is flammable? This thing is a joke.
@@richardwickens2923 they had some extra wire from flight 800...........
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Buttigieg's DEI makes it even....better....
"Butch Williams and Suni Wilmore". That's some ace reporting right there! This video has all the quality of a Boeing product.
You caught that.
Sunitha Williams And Butch Wilmore are oldest names in NASA spaceflight news, I think these video creators are Gen Z kids
Look at the beautiful fireworks, no that's starliner burning up on re-entry
Man. You are the best! Every time a question popped up in my head, you answered it. You are asking and answering great questions. It’s a shame that Boeing and NASA don’t have good answers.
I don’t give a darn about the Starliner. It’s been relegated to the museum like the congressional bunch that’s been feeding it. All I care about is getting Suni and Butch back. They are the Chuck Yeager and Buzz/Neil of today. They have paid their dues as test pilots. Riding this home is needless and risks the lives of national treasures needlessly.
Their lives aren’t worth a PR moment for NASA and Boeing.
Thanks again!!!!!
Sadly SpaceX is making Boeing and NASA look like novices these days the simple question is do you risk the life’s of those people to save face or just write it off as a learning curve and bring it home empty and see if it survives and safely bring home the people on SpaceX this time?? Doesn’t seem that hard a question.
I agree this makes the most sense, don't want to be on a craft that is not well,why take a risk this could hurt the space industry for all involved
It should not be a question at all…
Americans have a really hard time acknowledging FAILURE! Especially in Boeing!
You mean American politicians with shares in Boeing do.
Specifically, it's the critters in politics and management everywhere.
Nope. Just Business majors.
Most people have no problem pointing out how braindead it is
@@ahmataevoDoor plugs don’t Bolt Themselves in. The people who are responsible for BUILDING and suppliers are actually responsible too.
Apparently you haven't read any of these comments.
Starliner was supposed to be a reliable alternative to Dragon. So far I am not seeing the reliable aspect of this spacecraft.
You'd think with as much time and money Boeing was given Starliner would be at least at good as Dragon.
you would think. and if they get these initial bugs worked out and start not having problems, it will be mostly forgotten in the long run- remains to be seen
@@outtakontroll3334 They received twice the amout that spaceX received for the Commercial Crew Program. Cancel it. Dragon as Lifeboat, use starliner to burn up trash in atmosphere and bring Sierra Space in as the 2nd Commercial crew.
@@outtakontroll3334Boeing keeps having their Airplanes fall out of the sky or drop pieces while flying. NO, Boeing isn’t going to get any slack on these clusters they’re building.
While they are stuck in space is the correct time to fully review the program and learn more about the spacecraft. Really stupid to do that with Starliner and astronauts on the ground.
That’s all well and good finding out things while still attached to the ISS but bring them back on a proven craft, SpaceX’s Dragon and do not expose these Astronauts to blast furnace temperatures during re-entry while NASA sends thoughts and prayers to the families just to try and save Boeing’s reputation. It already a failed mission IMHO. I would not risk my life coming back in that soon to be blast furnace just hoping I could get the thrusters to put me at the proper angle with respect to the earth’s atmosphere.
Let the data drive the decisions? The data shows a defective vehicle.
That means increased risk for the astronauts. What other data do they need?
They launched with known problems. Did they believe they had a self healing capsule?
NASA needs to de-orbit Starliner, and have SpaceX rescue the astronauts.
Agreed!
Not even a rescue. As I understand (a guy with a computer) Space X can add seats to the August flight and they can hang out on ISS for a while, or they can send 2 fewer folks up.
No rescue, just rearrange the schedule a bit. No NASA drama, just typical Space X doing the right thing to solve the problem.
It's not a 'problem'. Just a bit crowded 😊@@Frankthetank-zr5mc
No, they don't lol
You SpaceX leg humpers are something else...
10:00 The big problem is that the Boeing spacesuits aren't compatible with dragon. They would have to create two custom made suits to fit them. The next issue is the seats are custom fitted to the astronauts that ride up in them to avoid injuries. This isn't like taking a city bus cross town these people have to have special equipment when traveling in space or they die.
It's quite simple; SpaceX is the future and Boeing is the past.
You fly Boeing! Stop!
Until a few years ago Boeing had and Deserved the highest reputation in the aerospace industry. Now? Corporate Bean Counters Make decisions based on Horsecrap. There are certain decisions that Engineers Have To Make. Otherwise the Wheels Fall Off. This Thing Was Inadequately Tested. They saved a few $.
Taking their time to count al those beans... so many more than spaceX got...
@@euphan123Nah Bruh. You can absolutely NOT fly Boeing. There’s even tracking systems to help you avoid Boeing equipment. Fix your shite Boeing!
over a decade of development and how much money invested? The days of getting easy contracts with Nasa and doing little work are over, which annoys these old aerospace companies since they would suck Nasa dry. SpaceX came along and changed the game with milestone based contracts, needing to actually develop something within a specific timeframe or miss out on money.
Deathtrap
When starliner leaves iss it will be with an open hatch to ensure its completely vaporized upon reentry. Meanwhile Elon is calculating how much it's going to cost to go get those two Boeing guinea pigs
he's also figuring how to buy boeing, when the stock plummets to near zero.
Good idea @@rearspeaker6364
Intriguing thought.
Wait a bunch of businessmen with gold business degrees are having problems getting a rocket to work? That wasn't in the quarterly forcast.
The first strand-type capsule
Covering lies stands out like a burning candle in a dark room.
Hope it's not burning Astronauts alive in re-entry
Nobody understands yet but Starliner has had this planned all along. They are going for the Record for crew continuous days in space.
Like forever 😂
Starliner boutta become the Oneliner 💀
I wish they didn't call it Starliner, that is too good of a name for this piece of junk they call a spacecraft
Frfr 💀
With the problems with starliner becoming more evident, its not hard to understand how NASA's negligence led to the deaths of multiple astronauts in the Columbia and challenger tragedies. You would think that they'd be a little more cautious with manned spacecraft by this point. But i guess when the shot callers are personally benefitting from their stock holdings in certain companies, they will continue to promote those companies as much as possible, even at the risk to the lives of others.
Those were from circumstances that were not avoidable. NASA is not the issue here, it's Boeing and their corrupt CEO's.
"The thrusters may overheat in a high use condition" like i don't know, when they actually Use them. 🤦
French Guyana is NOT a French colony. It is a remote department and fully a part of France.
“Learning a lot…) Sure they are, that it’s a piece of JUNK!
NASA had to delay the space walk due to weather...............
There is a snow storm coming their way.
Lmao, sounds like NASA just giving butch and sunni Busy work to make it seem like every thing is planned, I suspect if they don't come back and come back safely by the end of the 1st in July then boeing are going to be handed to the dogs, it feels like NASA are very close to the end of their patience with Boeing, and regardless of the three major arms of boeing being separate divisions they are all governed by the same corporate culture and it's that culture that's the problem. I would think whistleblowers ae at the moment being kept quiet by the management telling them the company will do the right thing, but if thee return of butch and sunni is aborted or the rest tun but it costs them their lives whistleblowers will be queuing up at the FAA to give their evidence
Was a Whistleblower on Board?
in the baggage.
They don't have to be stressed if everything goes pear-shape, they know that they can destroy the module and call space X to the rescue.
My friend, the data has driven them all over hell and back. The problem compounded by a lack of line inspectors and other people who can then read the data without drooling.
It's just broken...jettison it and send a SpaceX capsule up to get the crew back to Earth.
That is the only sane response. Call Elon, get a commitment then attempt sending Starliner back empty. They cannot look much worse. The mission has already failed. It can only get worse from here.This is what happens when two competing companies build the same product without the full benefits of lessons learned. This is not a game! Boeing is getting close to never recovering their name whereas they could look safety conscious by getting Dragon to bring back the astronauts safely. It would go a long way with me showing they are more concerned with human life versus the almighty dollar. Right now I would not trust anything that went up higher that 2 ft above ground level made by this company.
It may even be too dangerous to jettison because with the malfunctioning thrusters it could destroy the ISS as soon as it‘s not attached securely.
A company that puts profit and shareholders first and safety last isn't a company you should risk your life with
Seems like the Chinese are about where SpaceX was in 2016. It is conceivable that they could recover a booster stage, but recovering an upper stage from orbit will be much harder and require a system to mitigate the heat of an orbital reentry.
Whoever thought it would be a good idea to go to space in anything with Boeing written on the side of it has got to have a death wish
There is a fine line that separates bravery from stupidity.
No thrusters = no controlled decent.
Thats not how that works, and they have plenty of thrusters
@@cardboard9124We don’t KNOW that for sure. This thing was supposed to go off without a hitch.
@@DavidC-pg6ni We do know that, only a few out of 28 or so thrusters are failing.
@@cardboard9124”Failure is NOT an Option”
This company has screwed up for decades and is continuing on its path to self-destruction.
They are clearly NOT the best company in the Space Launch Industry anymore.
They aren’t even the best company in Commercial Aircraft Production anymore. There’s a REASON that their CEO has been dragged before Congress due to multiple Quality Failures on Multiple different product lines.
Doors falling off because they’re NOT bolted on.
Software causing crashes and near crashes.
Failure to TRAIN pilots to handle software to cheap out on fundamentally a new aircraft / system.
The Ridiculous Cost and Time Overruns on the Spacecraft.
The military issues with Boeing Flight systems and aircraft / other weapons systems we don’t hear about as much because the military tries to keep a lid on it.
No, Boeing literally used to be the BEST in the world.
No, they have failed massively on many fronts and many occasions.
There's talk of bringing them back on Dragon. It's not that easy. Those suits will not plug in to Dragon and they do not fit the seats. All of those suits are custom made to each individual. It's not a matter of devising an adapter. This was talked about a few months ago when Soyuz had problems and there was an American astronaut. They said in an emergency, like an evacuation, they would do it. Otherwise the risk is too high.
They are probably making adapters for connection as we wait. Or they already have them in preparation that thins issue could happen to either craft. There are a lot of things we do not know.
Nonsense. They HAVE the Astronauts measurements and could send up SpaceX suits in the Dragon for the two astronauts.
Quit thinking like a Luddite.
@@DavidC-pg6ni @DavidC-pg6ni You're right. I'm no expert. I watched a Scott Manley video I believe. Or it was Tim Dodd. They seem to know what they're talking about.
@@DavidC-pg6ni The comment sections are always fill with close minded Luddites.
All the more reason for a common suit, aren't NASA building yet another suit for Orion, the seats also can be a standard design the hot switching of the padding to suit different astronauts, heck they could even design a totally inflatable seat cushions system and you just set it by linking an astronauts profile (you'd need to use an inert gas and allow for inflation / deflation as loading on it would change so the system would need robust components for safety) but I'm sure we are at that level of technology for either method, interchangeable pads being the easiest and cheapest methods.
Let's pray this will not end like Soyuz 2.
Can we have a detailed video on the design of the surface module and other system components?
We'll do a thorough recap and breakdown once the Starliner gets home
Service module, not surface. Like Apollo.
I don't remember, spacex gathering data for weeks, guess they use faster computer s than Boeing.
Nar. They just don't make a big piece of expensive crap.
“Make space travel private” they said “it will be more efficient” they said.
They tried this with the internet too. Look how that shit turned out.
Yes Steve,if something goes wrong,praying it doesn’t,you can blame it on the data,good move.
Please Boeing Engineers - Don't bring up poor quality control. There are too many suicides happening lately.
It's very likely that Boeing has some very good people working on the problem. At least the leaks aren't spraying the ISS with coolant!
or liquid poo!!
Thanks to bring true information, other channels are exaggerating the situation saying thinks like astronauts stranded and SpaceX rescue mission all to get clicks on the video
Yeah, I get really put off buy that kind of stuff. We've got to play the RUclips game with the title and thumbnail, but we try to be cautious of ever crossing a line into nonsense. Do my best to make all of the content within the video as factual and reasonable as I can
@@TheSpaceRaceYTWould YOU ride back on that Boeing PoS? I would NOT at all. I would tweet at Elon and ask him how much for a Dragon Uber Ride!
@@DavidC-pg6ni All the problems that they had aren't critical but obviously are no good and cant be tolerated and yes the Crew Dragon is much better the Starliner is a disaster but the current situation is not as bad as some people paint it.
Contact SpaceX - get the astronauts down that need to come down - test the starliner unmanned.
Nothing about Chang'e 6?
We've got a much more thorough video on that in the works, it's just taking a bit more time
NASA and Boeing should talk to some of the surviving people that worked for NASA back in the 60's and 70's. Back then, people were walking and playing golf on the flippin' moon without all the problems that seem to be common today. Apollo 13 was the one problem mission, but aside from that, space travel became pretty much like driving to Walmart.
The Chinese have been successful in copying the First Space x vehicles .
There's nothing weird... Boeing and NASA want to study the problem while Starliner is docked because... once it returns, they will no longer be able to study it... the helium leak is not a problem they have enough helium for 7 days, only needing 7 hours to return!!!
Good video
Awesome vid
The astronauts "Oh no the Starliner just floated away last night."
There are already a couple of capsules docked at International Space Station. Those would be a better choice to use to get those two Astronauts back Home.
Diversity Equity and Inclusion that's what's killing Boeing
Imagine thinking the problem with the US military industrial complex was that it had gone WOKE
Idiot.
No They care more about money than safety. That's the problem!
I've recently worked at BDS in OKC, OK as a contract engineer. My first lead was a young woman, maybe 25 years younger than me. I had no complaints, and would be more than happy to work for her again.
That’s a political opinion. The facts are that it’s a management and cultural issues. I am waiting to hear from a whistle blower from Boeing’s space division.
Nice balance of Reporting, Technical Information, and Commentary. Thanks, First time viewer 👍
First 100 views here! The algorithm is feeding me with these videos. It has been my entertainment this month 😅
Thanks for including that information about the Chinese Long March Two rocket failure, and the reference to the Nedelin Catastrophe. Scary stuff!
Right at 5:38 with video slowed down you can see the Chinese rocket start to tip over on touchdown just as the video cuts away.
Wow. Are you telling me you can't recognize the editing effect that is used to transition to the next scene? And see it as the rocket tipping over?
@@nima1287 I watched and studied it more than once, and yes I am aware of what editing glitches look like. My issue is, why was the video cut by the Chinese right at touchdown, the most anticipated and difficult phase? 1)Not tipping over at touchdown was the biggest hurdle Space X had to overcome. 2) The glitch showing the nose cone separating is not what I was looking at, the lower section starting to lean was my focus. 3) Could be an editing glitch, but not enough video to be 100% sure. 4) I don't trust the Chinese not to hide their failures from world view.
They know they're gonna blow up in the atmosphere upon re-entry, but they can't say nothing. Because being quiet gives them more time to hope some one will rescue them.
Brought to you by NASA. The same company that put men on the moon with zero problems 50 years ago.
It was a suicide mission the moment that clock hit zero and it started to take off....
Relax man throughout history many crafts have endured catastrophic failures but this one did good all the way to the end and only 1 of 8 thrusters failed thats pretty good odds, also they even said it themselves they could bring the people back right now if they had to but are choosing to sift through all their data first
@@twitchy.mp3 that's what you say now until it ends up like Challenger..... Then at that point are you wrong or am I a fortune teller because Boeing's never care till why would they care about two people singly two people in space they don't they never did
@@wilderjacob6 There are no issues with the heatshield buddy, and they definetley do care about the astronauts, why do you think they delayed re-rentry?
@@cardboard9124 well that's simple.... They would PREFER if they didn't die. But to say they "care about them" as much or even projecting than idea of that is very sinister and dishonest of you
@@twitchy.mp3BULLSHITE! They should NEVER have launched. We have AMPLE evidence that Boeing is suffering MASSIVELY on quality issues in ALL parts of their businesses.
They need to set up the "Not my fault"
They're NOT stranded, and it's irresponsible to claim that they are. It's factually untrue.
@@VincentKarabouladMusique Well, they say in an emergency the capsule could be launched.
True this is actually untrue... But Starliner does make me worry about humans lives safety for the first time in a long time.
It is true to say, Starliner would never be cleared to launch from earth, with the current mission status profile… Fool…
Even more true the astronauts are not stranded, because Crew Dragon can bring them home 🎉
I was unaware that stranded was a permanent state of existence. What do you think the word means?
@@MiTheMer Yes but they did not include a crew in that statement did they, it could be released from the ISS just to get the thing out of the way ?
propellant boil off is what limits how long they can stay docked.
Summertime misadventures ... At least it's not a submersible this time.
Maybe Mark Naapi could upgrade his 'double speak' by borrowing the line from Chief Dan George. Try" We endeavor to persevere" That'll impress people, lol.
I would imagine having the capsule on earth in a laboratory would be a whole lot more useful than sitting attached to the ISS.
You also don't just stick around for 4x or 5x times longer than planned to the literal only permanent human habitation in space unless something seriously concerning is happening.
The Chinese will have a moon base by 2030, around the same time NASA rescues the people stranded on the ISS.
That last Chineeze rocket booster that went up landed soon after...somehow I don't think it's going to be reused again...
@00:30, Its Butch Wilmore & Suni Williams :)
“A little extra time to resolve the data” essentially means they have no clue what is happening with the POS. What a dangerous spacecraft. Boeing needs to take some time and reassess its company goals and work culture.
So in the event of life-or-death catastrophic failure, yes, we can use Stuckliner...." Good plan.
HA!! The limiting factor for how long FailLiner can stay is based on how much of the required gasses have leaked. They need to return before there aren't enough gasses left.
I hope they have a set of jump leads on the station.
I wonder if it would be possible if they could let the Starliner craft return back without the astronauts and have them hitch a ride back in a crew Dragon… But I think probably not, because they don’t have the correct flight suits that interface with crew Dragon(?) and iirc the suits are custom tailored to the person, so there’s probably no ‘generic’ suit that they could use to take on a passenger that wasn’t originally on the crew…
so if star-liner thrusters can overheat during a relatively sedate docking in the vacuum of space, it may be slightly more prone to overheat in the chaotic forces of reentry.
Starship has shown us the difference in possible outcomes between a controlled and uncontrolled reentry.
They want to ensure they don't lose this crew during reentry.
It's not the Strand liner, it's the starstrander
NASA needs to ask SpaceX Crew Dragon to go rescue those astronauts, or the astronauts can live on the ISS forever I guess. Just keep sending them food up there.
lol 😂 you’re not believing this are ye ?
At 00:30, you got the astronauts names mixed up. I didn't watch a second more of your video after that.
One would think that Boeing would rather have done all the monitoring and system analysis they could while the service module was still on the ground.
"Spacewalk" you mean "repairs". Hubble had several "spacewalks".
Can't imagine how desperate these poor astronauts poor astronauts are
Love your non-AI delivery
imagine being on top of a rocket in a boeing craft, waiting to launch, and you hear that another boeing plane fell out of the sky ;)
I believe the helium leak is probably the reason why Starleaker must return to earth within 45d ... After that amount of time there will be insufficient helium pressure to control the spaceship ...
I would think the longer they delay means the less helium there would be available for reentry into Earth's atmosphere? Am I thinking this wrong?