Josh Pate On Clemson Suing The ACC - Departure Coming? (Late Kick Cut)
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- Опубликовано: 18 мар 2024
- Clemson and FSU have been in the rumor mill lately. On Late Kick Live Ep 493 Josh Pate discussed the latest news that Clemson has filed a lawsuit against the ACC in an effort to find a way out of the conference. Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Love how everyone that was so offended that FSU wanted to leave the ACC and told them to stop complaining are now silent because Clemson is doing the same thing.
Might be rivals on the field, but Clemson knows what happened to FSU was an indictment of the conference they are in. Clemson and FSU are united in this situation.
No, we're not silent.
conference realignment: where geography classes are replaced by bank statements, and the only map you need is one leading to the treasure chest.
😂
*whwee geography class has been replaced by gender studies and male pregnancy : what to expect “
"Fortified" ? We will see how fortified the GORs are. There's a reason why they want to keep locked away. The ACC is done.
College football needs a total make over from top to bottom…bring on the crazy
The crazy is happening now
Clemson is a fit for the SEC. Florida state has relationships with the B1G by way of Notre Dame, but its principal rival is Florida. I would expect Miami, Florida state and Va Tech to be a package deal at one or the other
FSU, Clemson, NC, NC State, Miami, Virginia Tech, Virginia are all going to be better off in the end. Louisville, Pitt, GT will be better off marginally. The rest need to move down to the American or the likes.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Wake end up in the Sun Belt, lol.
Duke has an outside shot at the Big12
@@rreagan007 it's possible, it depends on how many schools the Big 12 intends to grab. The leading theory is that they're definitely look to add Louisville and Pitt. There's a lot of speculation that they'd also look to add NC State (if they don't get picked up by one of the top two) and Georgia Tech. They definitely value their basketball though and adding Louisville and Duke would be huge for them in that regard, so who knows?
It figures you'd want a loser like Miami in the SEC....
God forbid you bring in Florida State that could actually compete with the top teams in the SEC. And don't bring up the fn Orange bowl!!!
OK. I’ll pull the self-interested string. Currently, Notre Dame has a $100 million (estimated) exit fee if it joins any conference except the ACC for football. If FSU/Clemson leave (and others), does that negate that exit fee, and is ND fighting for this? I loathe the idea of ND joining a conference, but if the ACC falls apart, ND’s scheduling becomes a nightmare.
No it doesn’t
ACC gunna replace FSU, Clemson, UNC, and etc. with Memphis, USF, Boise St, and SDSU… and still act like they’re a power 5 conference. At this point we’re heading for a Big 10, SEC, Big 12 power 3 conferences and then everyone else.
ACC isn’t going to exist after this
You really think the Big 12 is going to last much longer??
The Big 12 won't be a power conference either
Kinda like the b12 lol
@@timebomb42 They are good enough to survive. This new format works very well for them. They are a balanced conference and don't have an FSU or Clemson.
Thank you for addressing the idiotic media market argument…that way of thinking is a decade out of date.
I don't know if that is 100% correct. It is with the national brands, but ND, FSU, Clemson, and Miami are the only ones left, so the other schools making the cut of 48 may depend on local markets to help sell beer and soap ads. Your guess is as good as mine, I'm just reading the tea leaves thrown against the wall.
@@raleighsanford5111 right, what I’m referring to is the big “adds.” Not the ones that no one is pursuing.
@@RedMage409 Agreed, but that is my point, after those 4, there are others that are being pursued to round out the new D1.
For argument sake, let's say NBC puts ND in with the B1G and ESPN merges FSU, Clemson, and Miami into the SEC so both conferences are at 19.A re the networks going to stay at 19 while Fox and ESPN fund the Big 12 at 20 or so teams at a lesser rate? Probably not, especially when we keep hearing whispers of 48 teams in 2 conferences.
So there are probably 10 universities in either the Big 12 or ACC right now not named Miami, FSU, or Clemson who will make the cut, it is those universities I refer to.
@@raleighsanford5111 yes, my point was just that they aren’t the first picks. The SEC and Big Ten want ND, FSU, Clemson, and UNC. After that, they may take more to continue expanding. Either way, markets are not what drives expansion right now. Getting the big brands that create big matchups is.
See you soon Notre Dame!
Sincerely,
The Big Ten
ND is perfect for the ACC because they’re irrelevant and don’t matter
Just make sure an anti-Catholic bigot isn't running the University of Michigan again like last time we tried to join you
Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech and UNC to the SEC. The other conferences can fight it out for the rest of the ACC.
I would like to see FSU join over VT or UNC.
@@RoadTo19 Not a chance UNC would go to SEC. UNC is the biggest brand in the conference and is a good academic school. The SEC carries a stigma for alums of UNC.
@@christschoolunc is not even in the top 3 for viewership un the acc what are you talking about??
@@RoadTo19be bad for uga to have both Clemson and fsu who recruit in Georgia heavily already because they are both close to the border. I don't think uga would want them as much or more than uf or usc.
@@benjaminhawkes6693 All the big programs recruit across the country now.
Clemson and FSU to the SEC! 👍
All I want to hear one day is the CBS theme playing and then the camera pans to Doak Campbell Stadium at 3:30. That would be the dream!
@@shanekeenaNYCunfortunately that will only happen if fsu joins the big 10
I think FSU and Clemson to the SEC makes perfect sense. And Miami and UNC to the Big 10
As long as FSU can get over the playoff snub and not hold a grudge against the SEC I can totally see it happen and it would be pretty great. Even though I don't Like FSU all that much. lol.
F*** THE SEC!!!!!
I’m pretty sure the acc is looking at the refs and is about to make sure Clemson won’t win many games this year in the acc
Clemson has been a bit down the past few years, but lets be real it would take more than that to keep Clemson from winning most of their games. The ACC is trash top to bottom. FSU and Clemson have carried that conference since millenials were out of diapers
They've been doing that to Florida State since the Magnificent 7, and arguably long before. Basketball officiating has been the ugliest of all. This conference is corrupt.
@@baddoomguy1986espn
@@historianswag8517not by any metrics but ok
Will be hilarious if the first offer in all of this is the Big Ten extending an invite to Georgia Tech.
Yeah unrealistic and pie in the sky thoughts and comments do tend to be hilarious.😂
Talkkk Josh
Look for North Carolina to get in on it too.
100% Green Bay does fantastic on TV because it's about the BRAND.
I would love to see Big 12 and ACC combine, to keep us away from 2 mega conferences
(and I say this as a Buckeye)
That would be great!😎
The TV deals and CFP influence still won’t be able to touch the new P2.
They should work on helping their conference get better. We don't want Clemson in the SEC. No invitation has been issued to Clemson per the SEC head office. Hope they enjoy the Big Ten.
Not that I like anything that’s happening but the BIG would be smart to target FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVA/VT, MIA or some combination of. They plant a flag firmly in SEC recruiting patches & be a truly national conference.
I wonder were Stanford ams USC go?
Stanford and Cal would probably re-join Oregon State and Washington State with the re-formed PAC (MWC merger.) SMU would probably go back to the American.
Stanford might get an invite from the B1G Ten to fill out a west division.
@@redroom8537I could see the B1G dangling an invite to entice Notre Dame.
@@trclark7689 Yeah, that's part of it. What's the deal with so many comments being deleted? Do people go around and flag everything they don't like? I've noticed it on many different videos tonight.
I think the CFP expanded in time. The ACC will probably get an opportunity to renegotiate its media rights now that it has a larger footprint.
Mark my words; these lawsuits are about to get ugly in the most beautiful way. The ACC is DONE 😈
FSU's suit (& its purpose) is simply *not the same* as Clemson's.
FSU wants out of the ACC & will not accept anything less because of an emotional rage response they can't take back. That's fine.
It's simply not the same as a Clemson program that *the ACC has worked with as uniquely in all of sports* to do things like shatter the all-time record for seasons without a bye-week opponent (including this year where all teams have *at least* two bye-weeks, which is sincerely impressive) for just one example of the ACC working with Clemson in a way FSU deliberately did the opposite of throughout the entirety of the era.
Clemson *may* leave, or they may help change the future of multiple conferences outright (you know, *like they literally did the last time they said they were leaving the ACC* & instead renegotiated & found unprecedented success including multiple national championships & first-round draft picks). 💯
Clemson(SEC)
FSU(big 10)
Sec already has florida and South carolina markets(NC and Virginia sec)/fsu and clemson big ten
@@jcook576 That means nothing lmao. Clemson is definitely going to the SEC. Miami too. Yall big10 folks can have FSU tho
1. Going back to last year with the Board of Trustees meeting with Michael Alford, it is abundantly clear that schools in the ACC are being paid significantly less than those institutions in the B1G and SEC. In order for Florida State to remain relevant in the ONLY sport that matters (it pays the bills for everything else), they need to get out of the conference immediately.
2. Regions matter for the broadcasters only in protecting their turf. ESPN is SEC, Fox is B1G. Does ESPN want to give FOX any opportunities in expanding their college brand into the state of Florida?
3. Just a guess, maybe the football teams take on different regions of the country during the season while sports like baseball, basketball, softball, volleyball, etc. would remain regional.
If FSU was undefeated in the SEC with the same situation last year, they would be in the CFP. Clemson knows this, and is trying to avoid that from happening to them. ACC is disrespected every year as the "weakest conference" so no matter how they win and who they beat, it will always be overlooked by the outcomes of other conferences. Yes, they finally expanded so maybe it won't come down to how it happened last year, but it's still a thing nonetheless.
He is right. I don't care how close they are to each other. Can you imagine Alabama/Clemson regular season? or LSU FSU home and home in October? That would make the regular season more fun. And with teams able to lose a game or two and still get in the playoffs from the two big conferences, they could theoretically stop playing the directional Michigan teams for throwaway games in September and we could have watchable games each week. Week 2 right now and the week before rivalry week might as well be scrimmages in major conferences. I don't even sit down to watch those saturdays
Okay? So one conference has a lot of good games and the rest of the games on the weekend from different conferences are all trash…. Sounds like a GREAT idea we should all get behind this SUPERB idea super genius 🤦♂️
Espn gets to make choice. Keep the current media deal( great deal for them) and risk Fsu and Clemson blowing it up to pieces. Or renegotiate it such that it is within reason of big 10/sec and the acc stays alive for espn to broadcast
Is he hinting at Clemson and FSU going to the Big 12 since its a non ESPN brand currently?
You mean B1G right as the B12 has a ESPN TV contract?
I mean tbh this isn’t surprising last august Clemson insiders were talking about trying to leave the ACC it’s not a matter of if but when the ACC folds
I believe Clemson has been in on the whole legal process longer than FSU, they just weren’t as open. They took their time and did it quietly while FSU dominated the headlines
Why do sports media only tell one side of the story? Most media are always careful to say that claims made in a lawsuit give only one side of the story and are NOT facts. Unfortunately, sports media doesn't believe in two sides to the story or actually telling the truth.
There's a fortune out there to be made.
ESPN joining the lawsuit with acc v fsu with two New York lawyers.
conflict of interest much......
Which show was it that Josh said, "FSU is not alone"? When Josh 'winked' about FSU (not) being the "only one?
ACC by-laws state a quorum of members can vote to dissolve the conference......that's all they need to do...Also, if we end up with two mega-conferences, what's stopping the power-5 from filing an anti-trust lawsuit?
ACC by-laws don't actually specify. But general law indicates this is the case.
The thing is, if we end up with two power conferences, that marna each conference will have 20+ teams. They will sometime soon divide into divisions and we will essentially have the Power 4 conferences again.
The smaller schools that won’t have a chance at the P2 or likely even the Big 12 would never go for this
@@josephmoya5098 It will end up in some kind of anti-trust divestment-type of court order if this continues.
Hey Josh, what are the negatives for leaving the ACC for Clemson? Won’t Clemson benefit from staying in the ACC as they have a general rein and ease to win the win conference as compared to something like the SEC. If the ACC dissolves would that open a window for all conferences realign? maybe more based in geography, because Clemson to Stanford is a long flight. Also it would be interesting to talk about the difference in tradition in the ACC between Clemson and Florida State, as FSU joined in 1991 and isn’t one of the original 7.
They don't care about winning anything other than a bigger check
Clemson’s incentive to leave is $$$
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This stinks that Clemson filed a lawsuit against the ACC!!! I do not know if this is going to happen or not.
Welcome to the party! What took Clemson so long to fight with FSU.
Neither FSU nor Clemson want to join a conference where they are traveling to the Pacific Ocean and states that border Canada.
FSU use to be independent they played B1G schools back in the day
@@hendo7945 FSU should join forces with Clemson, Miami and Notre Dame, and form a semi-independent conference. Apple and Amazon have plenty of money to throw around if those programs were required to secure their own deals. If college football actually had free market competition, schools from the B1G Ten and SEC would have to explore better offers.
@@hendo7945 One or two a season isn't the same as eight. Every single away game would have them traveling damn near 1,000 miles. No fan wants that.
@@joesmith6972the travel is no different from the ACC it’s actually more expensive to travel to SEC games then it will be for B1G
@@hendo7945 How is traveling to closer games more expensive?
Anything that's bad for ESPN in good to me.
Having grown up in the Seattle area I can tell you that the SEC and B1G do well in the state of Washington because it's not on cable TV and the Pac-12 is (was? I don't know what to say anymore).
TV ratings and numbers aren't a true representation of what the consumer wants altogether.
I now live in Utah and I want to watch the Seahawks but often there will be say 2 games on CBS in the afternoon, one is in Seattle against Arizona, both markets relatively close to Utah, but what does CBS play in Utah? Buffalo and New York. Is that really because Utah is full of raving AFC East fans? Uh, if they're here I don't know where they are. Most people here are devote NFC West fans, whether that be Arizona, San Francisco, or Seattle. Heck there's more Raiders fans here than east coast teams but what does regular TV offer in Utah? East Coast.
So, I don't always buy into the look at the ratings this matchup or this conference gets stuff, not because there's not some truth to it but there's a lot of football forced on people and the common sense study shows that most football fans will generally watch whatever football game is on if they can't get their team. Some watch nothing, but most watch what they have to watch.
At least this is my experience having lived in 6 different states ranging from the West Coast to the Mid-West.
Too bad. Seats taken.
FSU B1G, FSU trying too become AAU member, Miami already AAU, NC, Virginia AAU
My Opinion the Big 10 will Grab GT, UVA, VT, Duke. SEC will take FSU, Miami, UNC,. I think the rest will be out in the cold .
No way Josh goes 7:51 without mentioning Mario and The U. Let me know in the comments.
It was just a matter of time. Dabo Swinney makes more than 11 million dollars per season for a reason
The universities that want out of the ACC are like the pro athletes who signed a big contract
then had a great year so they want out of the contract. They shouldn't blame the ACC for not letting them
leave they should blame whoever it was that signed the grant of rights contract.
They should honor their contract til the end and then move on.
LOL. FSU has every right to negotiate a buyout. It’s an every day event in the business world. This is nothing more than a business dispute and will end in a settlement, just like the business world.
They don’t want to end up like the pac12 so they are doing exactly what the pac12 did. Teams started runnings
You know what I try to be nice about this situation and he's right this guy is right you know Josh Pete he's right I normally don't listen to him but he's right guys they're not alone Florida State been louder and now you got Clemson and now I heard rumors North Carolina wants to leave the ACC Miami wants to leave NC State Virginia Virginia tech and now Pittsburgh and then I was told probably Louisville now rumors those schools are found their own lawsuit file their own lawsuit against the ACC Friday this is looking really bad guys acc's dead the conference is dead get the get rid of the freaking Atlantic Coast conference shut it down shut that program down it's dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead all the other schools that they invited like a cal Stanford and MSU I feel bad for them because now they don't have no home because after this lawsuit the ACC for conference is going to be shut down and then I have to go back to the old conference but I'm sure the old conference is not going to allow them to do that. ? @LateKickwithJoshPate
Institutions selling their souls for that football money when college football is about to die.
ACC schools fate if conference dissolves
SEC/Big Ten bound:
Notre Dame (Non FB ACC member)
Florida State
North Carolina
Clemson
Miami
Big 12/SEC/Big Ten bound:
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Duke
Pitt
Georgia Tech
Big 12 bound:
Louisville
North Carolina State
Syracuse
Potentially left out:
Boston College
Wake Forest
Stanford
Cal
SMU
Left out schools OSU and WSU and the best G5s build a cross coast conference
@@scottyclayton2501 I left them out because they aren’t ACC members. I’m sure if the leftover schools want to stick together there are options for sure.
Memphis
USF
San Diego State
Tulane
Boise State
James Madison
Temple
I think both the B1G and SEC only offer half shares till the next media deal, unless your Notre Dame.
@@troywest7045 That’s unless FOX and ESPN don’t have a bidding war and decide we will pay more just to retain assets. Also I think Cal/Stanford should have just joined the Big Ten for zero shares until the next media deal. Joining the ACC is proving to be a horrible decision. Don’t even get me started on SMU.
@@upshawjohn94 Stanford and Cal were not offered B10 spots. They wanted them and for all we know Stanford/Cal made that offer and it was rejected.
National Championships are now won in court. Cant succeed on the field- litigate!
What I think will happen is the teams in the Carolinas so Clemson, North Carolina Duke Wake Forest and NC State will all leave the ACC and create their own conference
From personal experience, I have a lot of friends that went to their school and they said they hated having to go down to Miami for away games or up to Syracuse or Boston College or Pitt
Big 12 + Pac 10 lost their best brands, ACC is next. SEC will eat up the best this time
How to kill 10 minutes and say absolutely nothing at the same time by Josh Pate
The situation makes me I’ll. The greed of these universities is going to ruin the sport
I think it is more fear than greed. These moves are predicated on survival of the global threat to the historical college football landscape.
Clemson is not to be taken seriously. They tried cutting sports while paying Dabo north of $10M per year, and couldn’t even get that right. The SEC can have them. Keep them the hell away from the Big 10 . . . or tell them to sponsor more sports.
Must be a salty OSU fan as Clemson has owned those guys. LOL.
@@booster222jc I’m a Big 10 alumnus, but not OSU. I’m also an SEC alumnus, so there’s that. Salty? I just stated my predominant issue. There are others.
I love how FSU and Clemson want to blame the conference leadership for the fact that their presidents were among those dumb enough to sign off on a 20 year TV deal.
Different presidents and different conference commissioners.
Blame is on the ex-commissioner who negotiated the deal benefitting his son and Raycom when other tv networks were in play. The time of piggybacking off FSU and Clemson in football is over. Tobacco road can keep basketball and wither away.
The fact that the ACC didn’t fight for more in the new CFP deal put the final nail in the coffin.
FSU, Clemson, and Miami are literally why the ACC is broken. You can’t piggyback off people that don’t win title. All the big ten teams had been piggybacking off Michigan and Ohio state. SEC teams have been riding Georgia and Alabama.
Clemson has won recent titles, perhaps you missed it?
Nobody wants them SEC IS TAKING NO ONE. TX, Oklahoma hate expansion unless it’s themselves. Big 10 will take 2 teams and that’s it. If they were to take 20+ teams they would have to play in PODS
Well also let me put one more pain in in Florida state was free to leave the ACC I was told the Big ten would welcome my Florida State to the conference in the Big ten I know Big Ten fans won't like to hear this but but you know what I think Florida State is going to go to the Big ten guys and here's why I've been seeing a different colored Jersey of theirs now like a gray Jersey which is like kind of like a big Ten kind of Jersey so yeah that's why I keep saying that .?@WeSRT4
Welcome to the B1G, here's your half share that becomes a full share in 2030, beers in the fridge.
Punctuation is important for understanding and reading the English language.
Clemson riding FSU’s coattails. Let FSU take all the initial risk, let them start the fight, then when it looks like they could win THEN the get off the sideline and join in. They’ve been largely silent the whole time
Being calculated and measured is smart. Having a big mouth is not very smart when it comes to lawsuits and most other things in life.